Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 28, 2021
The Never Ending Lies About The War On Afghanistan

The U.S. military has lied for 20 years about the war in Afghanistan. Do not expect it to suddenly tell the truth.

Thursday's suicide bombing in Kabul and the following panic killed more than 150 civilians (some 30 of whom were British-Afghan), 28 Taliban fighters and 13 U.S. troops.

Before the attack happened a Taliban spokesperson had told RT that they had warned the U.S. of an imminent ISPK attack.

Repeating Pentagon claims the New York Times describes the attack:

At 5:48 p.m., the bomber, wearing a 25-pound explosive vest under clothing, walked up to the group of Americans who were frisking people hoping to enter the complex. He waited, officials said, until just before he was about to be searched by the American troops. And then he detonated the bomb, which was unusually large for a suicide vest, killing himself and igniting an attack that would leave dozens of people dead, including 13 American service members.

If the suicide bomber was so close to the inner perimeter checkpoint manned by U.S. forces why were so many Taliban, who manned checkpoints at the outer perimeter, killed in the incident?

The Times writes:

Just after the bomb went off, Defense Department officials said, fighters nearby began firing weapons. The officials said that some of the Americans and Afghans at Abbey Gate might have been hit by that gunfire.

What fighters nearby?

The BBC correspondent in Kabul has asked people who where there:

Secunder Kermani @SecKermani – 7:21 UTC · Aug 28, 2021

Our report from last night on the awful ISIS attack outside Kabul airport as families still search Kabul's morgues for their loved ones..
Many we spoke to, including eyewitnesses, said significant numbers of those killed were shot dead by US forces in the panic after the blast
Embedded video

The correspondent talks to the brother a London taxi driver who was in Kabul to fetch his family:

A: "Somehow I saw American soldiers, Turkish soldiers and the fire was coming from the bridges, from the towers."
Q: "From the soldiers?"
A: "Yeah, from the soldiers."

(Side note: Some of the towers around the airport were reportedly manned by members of the CIA's Afghan death squads.)

Another witness:

Narrator: "Noor Mohamed had been deployed alongside American forces."

A man holding up an identity card of a friend talks about his death in English.

A: "The guy has served U.S. army for years. And the reason he lost his life – he wasn't killed by Taliban, he wasn't killed by ISIS, he was (unintelligible)."
Q: "How can you be sure?"
A: "Because of the bullet. The bullet went inside of his head. Right here." (Points to the back of his head.) "He doesn't have any (other) injury."

The Pentagon did not respond to the BBC's request for comments.

Comments

uncle tungsten
Rules of engagement… I noticed a few on these threads offer sympathies to the 13 dead mercenaries. One thing from the Nuremberg trials which I think should be constantly remembered is ‘following orders is no defense’. Those dead mercenaries are not conscripts – they are the same people who were up in the tower or on the walls shooting down whoever in the crowd survived the blast. Good riddance to 13 pairs of boots.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 22:37 utc | 201

William Gruff@189
Yes I am guilty of using the colloquial term ISIS which I believe is a bit of a joke on the part of their benefactors. Is it supposed to be CRISIS as in creating a crisis for their enemies like Al Qaeda is “the base” which some called a database of operatives they can call on.
Some call ISIS an acronym of the Israel State Intelligence Service. Irregardless these groups are spun off and given a name by their Western benefactors that we all use as we read the papers.
Chaos, crisis, death, and destruction in the name of religion is what they have trained us in accepting as normal over the years. A perfect juxtapose to their operations looking like normal uprisings.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 22:38 utc | 202

@ WG 189
It would probably surprise many to know how much of what the CIA does is air freight that bypasses customs, even in Europe where people like to imagine the rule of law applies.
. . .from Helsinki Times, Jan 1, 2019
What does the US embassy in Baghdad export to Finland and dozens of other countries?

More than a million kilograms of cargo were shipped from Baghdad to different parts of the world, reveals US embassies procurement documents.
Mysterious cargo shipments from the US Embassy in Baghdad to other American embassies and consulates around the world have been revealed on a Wikileaks’ database. Procurement orders of US embassies are public documents, but Wikileaks put them in a searchable database making it easier to analyse.
According to Wikileaks’ database, orders to ship more than 540 tonnes of cargo to the US were made in May 2018. The same document shows other main delivery destinations included 120 tonnes of freight to Europe, and 24 tonnes to South Africa, South America and Central Africa respectively. In comparison, only two and a half tonnes of freight were moved within Iraq between Baghdad, Basra and Erbil International Airports. So, the export of items from Iraq appears to be the primary activity.
. . .The Wikileaks’ database findings coincide with the discovery of a previously undisclosed US Embassy warehouse near Malmi Airport, a storage facility suitable for receiving large truckloads of incoming freight. Documents also show that the US Embassy in Finland ordered a new security perimeter fence for the warehouse compound in April 2018. The purpose for the warehouse remains unknown. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 22:43 utc | 203

circumspect
What’s in a name…. isis isis-k nusra aq – doesn’t matter much for most apart from word nazi’s. If it comes to who has given baya to who then they can be separated by whatever name they go by, but for general purpose they all work in the interest of the US using the same means.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 22:45 utc | 204

Mina at 42 France will exchange no foreign interference in Afghanistan if Iran will leave Iraq to the French . dadooronron @ 46 explains Daesh Air transports rats from Idlib, in Syria, to eastern Afghanistan. Old hippie @ 51 .. “impossible .. to distinguish [intentional effort protected by plausible deniability]=> from<= [independent sabotage intended to discredit Biden and to confuse the success of the Taliban]. gottlieb @ 58 outlines visible symptoms of mRNA disease. Jibril @ 61 & 81 explains how the super secret blind camera works and defines ISIS as a false flag. SwissArmyMan @ 64 explains without facts or knowledge, smart drones can seek, identify, convict and punish unknown perpetrators for their acts of terrorism in no man's land. psychohistorian 67 < sez Taliban deals with Turkey dubious? Jackrabbit @ 68 sez the messianic founder/leader of ISIS in US custody for years self-reincarinates in response to MSM propaganda needs. Jackrabbit @ 96 ISIL/ISIS seems to be a joint US-UK-Israel-Saudi-Turk project. In summary, what i see is none of us has a clue what is the real situation..

Posted by: snake | Aug 28 2021 23:10 utc | 205

@ snake
You’re right Snake.
“We” don’t know the truth.
“We” just know that “THEY” lied, lie, will lie again and again and again.
Thanks God, “we” got b.

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 28 2021 23:26 utc | 206

snake@204-
“In summary, what i see is none of us has a clue what is the real situation..”
While I generally find your post difficult to follow, I must agree with the above statement.
I wonder if we spend too much time trying to understand/explain the events we are witnessing.
There is a lot of truth to what some have posted here, but nobody here has an overarching theory of what is happening, perhaps because the isn’t a single theory to explain all the actions of the many, many pieces in play.
I would suspect that there are so many players, with so many things going on that nobody really knows what is going on. There is no overarching explanation for the events taking place in the world.
There is just many, many competing interests reacting to situations that are beyond their control. All of these competing factions are attempting to exert some control, but there are too many pieces in play. Chaos, in a word.
I don’t think there is an answer to the entire puzzle, perhaps the best that one can do is to make the best of their local situation and hope for the best.
And at the end of the day, you will either survive or you won’t.
What are you going to do with/about that?

Posted by: David F | Aug 28 2021 23:28 utc | 207

Peter AU1@200
I think we both know how these conversations traditionally play out in Oz. When it’s our own or the Brits or the Sepps doing the war crimes, it’s “Stress of war, mate! You weren’t there, you don’t know what it’s like. Those poor bastards. Anyone would’ve done the same, mate. It’s the stress of war, cock.”
Whereas of course German or similar atrocities merit “Naaaaazi baaaaaaaaaastards! Hang ’em all, there’s no excuse for it!”

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Aug 28 2021 23:37 utc | 208

As per Kabul Lovers (channel) video posted by karlofi, most people say that victims were shot in the head and upper chest areas (indicating packed areas), and the shots seemed to have been coming from higher ground.

Posted by: Afgun | Aug 28 2021 23:38 utc | 209

@PeterAU1 187
Yes, I brought that up, maybe others did too? There are other articles talking about the CIA running clandestine rescue missions to areas within the Taliban security perimeter.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/politics/cia-us-troops-conduct-missions-outside-kabul-airport-to-extract-americans-allies.amp
“Three Chinook helicopters flew from Karzai International Airport about 200 meters just outside the security perimeter there to a makeshift landing zone at the Baron Hotel, where the American citizens had gathered,”
Baron Hotel is located by Abbey Gate.
This was right at the time officials and the media were warning about a possible ISIS attack. In that sense the rescue makes sense as you wouldn’t want your citizens exposed.
I find it interesting, though, that the attack happened at a location past Taliban security, where CIA commanded choppers were flying too not long before the attack.

Posted by: ArthurDent | Aug 28 2021 23:46 utc | 210

@PeterAU1 187
Yes, I brought that up, maybe others did too? There are other articles talking about the CIA running clandestine rescue missions to areas within the Taliban security perimeter.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/politics/cia-us-troops-conduct-missions-outside-kabul-airport-to-extract-americans-allies.amp
“Three Chinook helicopters flew from Karzai International Airport about 200 meters just outside the security perimeter there to a makeshift landing zone at the Baron Hotel, where the American citizens had gathered,”
Baron Hotel is located by Abbey Gate.
This was right at the time officials and the media were warning about a possible ISIS attack. In that sense the rescue makes sense as you wouldn’t want your citizens exposed.
I find it interesting, though, that the attack happened at a location past Taliban security, where CIA commanded choppers were flying too not long before the attack.

Posted by: ArthurDent | Aug 28 2021 23:46 utc | 211

ArthurDent
A couple of other things I ran onto in MSM reports were US military and CIA running night missions into Kabul to get people to the airport. The other was that people in the crowd who showed a pineapple on their phones were taken through security by US forces.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 0:25 utc | 212

WG @ 189; Good post. Everyone needs to be reminded of the empire’s constant need to use these malignant takfiris to further the business interests of our latest empire….

Posted by: vetinLA | Aug 29 2021 0:33 utc | 213

I’ve just read the usually erudite Finnian Cunningham’s piece, “Terror Attacks in Kabul Suspiciously on Cue… Who Gains?”where he asks some hard questions that were already cut/pasted here that I will now echo:
“This brings us back to the secret meeting earlier this week between the CIA’s William Burns and Taliban commander Abdul Ghani Baradar. The Washington Post reported that Biden sent Burns to meet with Baradar in Kabul. It was the most senior contact between the Biden administration and the Taliban since the latter’s takeover of Afghanistan on August 15. The details of the discussion were not disclosed and some reports indicated other Taliban figures were not aware of the meeting.
“Baradar is one of the founding members of the Taliban. He was captured by Pakistan intelligence and the CIA in 2010. But at the request of the United States, Baradar was released from prison in 2018. Thereafter he led the Taliban in negotiations with the U.S. on finding an end to the conflict. Those talks culminated in a deal in February 2020 with the Trump administration agreeing to troop withdrawal this year. Biden has stuck to the pullout plan.
From his career path, there is good reason to believe that Baradar is the CIA’s man inside the Taliban. Let’s say at least that he has the agency’s ear.
Why else would CIA chief Burns meet Baradar at such a crucial time in the U.S. evacuation of Afghanistan? To get Taliban assurances of security measures safeguarding American troops as they exit? That obviously didn’t happen.
“What else then? Could an atrocity have been arranged by some of Baradar’s men at the request of the CIA? The objective being to shift focus from a shambolic, shameful retreat to one of necessity due to terror threats. It seems uncanny that U.S. and British intelligence services were warning of an event only hours before it happened in a way that was precisely predicted. The other consequence of benefit is that the droves of desperate Afghans queueing near Kabul airport are dispersed out of fear of more bloodshed. The beneficial optic is that U.S. and British military planes will take off on August 31 without the harrowing, pitiful scenes of Afghans running down the runway after them. Hence, the empire wraps up its bloody criminal war, with a little less shame than otherwise.” [My Emphasis]
Clearly, none of us has answers for Cunningham’s questions. Little wonder then that Russia didn’t say one thing about yesterday’s Security Council meeting as I bet they have the same or similar questions that now raise the big question of Baradar’s trustworthiness–Do note how many top leaders of the Terrorist Foreign Legion were turned at Imperial prisons, a fact I’m sure the Russians well know.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 0:37 utc | 214

@Posted by: William Haught | Aug 28 2021 14:04 utc | 38
But what is exactly your complaint?
That the Twitter account is fake and so it is the info on being related to DDR government?
Where have you been for the past decade or so, in a cave in Afghanistan?
What part of that the guy, originally @berlinconfidencial, several times banned by Twitter for the simple reason of telling alternative facts of alternaive reality especially related to the former Soviet space, is mocking the current Twitter tendence on labelling certain acocunt as linked to certain demonized governments by the West system?
FYI, there are millions of fake Twitter accounts impersonating relevant dead people and even fake people, and so you have that “Daeneris de la Tormenta” ( mother of dragons ) has also her own, and also does “Rasputín”, and I would bet Gandalf has also one…Also has it “Woman in the world”…but, wait, on whose government behalf would work this empowered woman?
That you complaint about this certainly minoritary followed account wearing the name of an orchestra director from the former DDR, in any case only known amongst the close circle of affictionate to classical music from the former Soviet space, shows your lack of sense of humor and sportivity, since you find hard to swallow that as you create your own reality, others follow through… and also create their own…
Blowback is inevitable, as it is the fact that others use your own estratagemas against you, thus, relax a bit and take it sportively, meanwhile, enjoy some Herbert Kegel music…Keep calm…and be olympic my friend…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIzPTqwNQ_U&ab_channel=OnTheTopofDamavandforever

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 29 2021 0:39 utc | 215

Peter AU1@211
Listen to yourself, people who know the super secret pineapple trick are exempt from security?
Sometimes I question why I think this blog offer intelligent insight as to what is going on in the world.
I seriously need to reevaluate what I condsider to be a worthwhile use of my time.

Posted by: David F | Aug 29 2021 0:39 utc | 216

William Gruff @189–
Thanks Bill! Some don’t seem to understand the degree of ruthlessness employed by Empire. Lucas knew and displayed some of it, but too few were willing to learn. The Romans did the same using similar tools, but again too few seem willing to believe such behavior possible. Afterall as the Narrative goes, the Romans were the pinnacle of Civilization, just as Anglos are Exceptional.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 0:45 utc | 217

snake @Aug28 23:10 #204:

… what i see is none of us has a clue what is the real situation..


This is very very wrong. We know more than enough to have a clue.
You are trotting out the establishment bullshit that pretends that those not blessed with the full verified facts are mere ‘conspiracy theorists’ who KNOW NOTHING.
In fact, we have more than enough factual info to surmise the general intent of the criminal activity and we are well aware of the cruelty and malfeasance that it knowingly engenders.
ISIS is clearly a concoction of, or supported by, the anti-Iran Assad must go! Coalition partners (USA; UK; France; Israel; Gulf Arabs – esp. Saudis; and Turkey). This all started years before the Syrian Civil War as described by Seymour Hersh in The Redirection:

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.
[Further explained in the article.]

We also know that Bush & Co. lied to make Iraq War happen and that there are serious unanswered questions about 9-11 wrt USA, Israeli, Saudi government failures and culpability. These are fact-based questions that have been stonewalled for nearly two decades, such as: why have the Saudis been protected? Why did Israel, who were “tracking” the terrorists in USA since December 2000, only warn the US in August 2001? Why was US government security agencies so incomprehensibly obtuse about warnings of a possible terrorist attack; what brought down WTC-7? Etc. And, we known that all of this dovetails with neocons of PNAC had called for a “new Pearl Harbor” in 1997.
This is a poor summary but it shows how wrong you are to say that “none of us has a clue.”
=
David F @Aug28 23:28 #206:

I don’t think there is an answer to the entire puzzle, perhaps the best that one can do is to make the best of their local situation …


You encourage a know-nothing approach that gives free-reign to the warmongers and profiteers.
I sense that you are doing so deliberately.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 29 2021 0:46 utc | 218

FYI Anyone reading my comment @Aug29 0:46 #217 might also be interested in my comment @Aug28 16:20 #68.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 29 2021 0:51 utc | 219

David F 215 “Sometimes I question why I think this blog offer intelligent insight as to what is going on in the world.”
Most likely this is because you cannot read.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 0:52 utc | 220

https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/us-vets-volunteer-to-secretly-rescue-allies-in-afghanistan/
“This Herculean effort couldn’t have been done without the unofficial heroes inside the airfield who defied their orders to not help beyond the airport perimeter, by wading into sewage canals and pulling in these targeted people who were flashing pineapples on their phones,” Mann said.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/operation-pineapple-express-rogue-team-retired-u
The rogue team also used “pineapple express” as a password that was given to US military members who denied their orders to assist the veterans when they brought people to the airfield.
They had been operating until Thursday morning, when some of their team were among those injured in the suicide bombing near the airport that killed over 180, including 13 US Military members.
The heroic team started with the goal to rescue an ex-Afghan commando that was under imminent threat from the Taliban for having worked with US military forces in the past. They were able to get him and his family safely out of danger.
After that mission was a success, they waded through sewers and used satellite imagery to avoid dozens of Taliban checkpoints so they could covertly smuggle people to the airport.
Their courageous efforts have enabled 630 people to safely get to their evacuation flights out of Afghanistan.
……………..
The list goes on.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 0:59 utc | 221

The only reason we know as much as we do is because of brave journalists and whistle-blowers.
That’s why there has been a determined effort to sideline or co-opt real journalists and intimidate potential whistle-blowers.
Assange is not just being made to suffer for the info he disclosed to the world, he is being made an example of to dissuade others.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 29 2021 0:59 utc | 222

The Escobar/karlof1 video on VK is also on Twitter – thanks to S @175 for the link.
“Most victims of #KabulAirportBlast were not killed by the blast but by bullets fired at them by the Americans.” Faisal of Kabul Lovers channel interviewed aid workers at Emergency Hospital in #Kabul and this is what they have to say: video [73 seconds]
The direct link to the raw video is here and you can right-click it and download it in case it gets scrubbed universally, which seems unlikely now.
~~
So it’s clear that the bomb from one operative killed probably the several dozens that it killed, including the US soldiers, and then US soldiers opened fire from elevated, fortified towers (thanks to Peter AU1 for the pic) and basically “mowed the lawn; cut the grass”, using massive firepower to kill the mass of civilians clustered in a body.
The aid worker at the hospital says the victims were all killed by bullets from an angled height, and only in the head and upper body, and nowhere in the lower body – because they were all pressed tightly together in a mass – and were essentially massacred.
Sputnik’s headline saying that this may have been “accidental” is a bad joke, although the part about being “gunned down” is correct.
~~
I don’t know US military doctrine or training, but this strikes me as a trained response, to react with massive firepower and essentially clear the field of anything that might constitute a threat or even an unknown. So, we could call it “panic” or an “over-reaction” but I suspect it was actually standard practice.
Again, I don’t know these things but perhaps others can comment on this.
Of course, it could be a Maidan sniper play also. Hard to say if the US dead were part of the plot or not.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 29 2021 1:19 utc | 223

From various pieces in the MSM it is obvious Taliban had many check points throughout the city and leading to the airport. It was also the Taliban that warned US of an impending attack so they would have been on the alert for a bomber.
From the links above..
“They initially formed to rescue an ex-Afghan commando who was getting death threats from the Taliban for having worked with US special forces and elite SEAL Team Six, ABC said.” (‘rescuing’ the psychopaths?)
And..
“They had been operating until Thursday morning, when some of their team were among those injured in the suicide bombing”
So the bomb detonated as the pineapple crew were taking their fellow psychopath that they had got past the Taliban through the gates?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 1:20 utc | 224

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 0:37 utc | 213
Yes, I agree with Cunningham, not adhering to any theory or narrative about it, I just think there is too much rummaging around in the bushes here to just accept the given narratives without question. Especially with the character of the people involved. These people have all known each other for a long time, at Gitmo among other places. It’s been bugging me for a while now.
It could conniving to get us out of there, it could be conniving to keep is in. Or something else. Or nothing. Hard to say yet.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 29 2021 1:21 utc | 225

Peter AU1 & Jackrabbit @220 &221–
Thanks for detailing all that. That we do indeed have a good if partial picture of the overall is why this blog is targeted by disinformationists of all sorts, many of whom are portrayed to be in alliance with our most serious inquisitors.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 1:23 utc | 226

William Gruff writes:

And speaking of capabilities, without a nearby airbase or a reliable land route to an airbase that they can operate from the CIA will not be able to command and supply their death squads in Afghanistan. The CIA relies completely upon air supremacy and air freight. Their whole operational model is based around being able to fly what they want to wherever they want and whenever they want to.

You know, it’s high time for our resident expert on all things aeronautical — you know, the guy who really does know stuff but tends to get really pissy when his infallibility is challenged — to make an appearance and let us know how (or whether) the CIA is still carrying out flights to/from Afghanistan, let alone sending in drones. Is Pakistan being weak? Are we violating other nations’ airspace with impunity? Are stories of our overflying third countries to get to Afghanistan entirely fictitious? Is our aeronautics expert so pissed off with us that he’s left us for good? . . .
regarding Uncle Tungsten regarding Circe:
Perhaps we should use “Circe” as a generic term for MoA troll?

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 1:26 utc | 227

karlof1
Thinking about CSO and CSTO, I suspect it will be mostly or actions at least will be mostly towards working with the Taliban to eliminate terrorist groups and stay behinds. Taliban I am starting to see as somewhat similar to the hilltribes of Yemen that have come together with the Houthi vision. Time will tell but I think they are seeing this as the best road to peace and sovereignty. Make Afghan a nation rather than a number of tribes and clans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 1:32 utc | 228

jackrabbit @ 217 .re you comment that Snake’s observation of the comments to date.. is very very wrong. We know more than enough to have a clue.
<=== I don't think my observation that no one has a clue is wrong.. Biden departure from Afghanistan a surprise.. Taliban takeover was a light-speed surprise.. Evacuation a unplanned effort, and security a joke.. but i would love to hear your theory.. Why did Biden suddenly cause the USA to leave Afghanistan.? Why was the airport atrocity allowed to happen? What will happen when the last flight departs 8-31-2021 and why? In my opinion Chaos was the goal, and it has been successful at every turn.. forming a new government will be difficult, someone strong enough to pull it (like Putin) will be needed. But it will fail if China, Russia, or Iran or any other tries to meddle in Afghanistan affairs. I say it again Afghanistan's only hope to achieve a sustainable independence depends on Afghanistan completely and totally ditching digital technology ( tear down cell towers, shut all cell phones off and return to dial-up POTs), including everyone's concerns in the new constitution, and restrict currency for transactions to a government of Afghanistan issued scrip. No one goes in or out. Nearly nothing else will be needed every thing will work out in time.

Posted by: snake | Aug 29 2021 1:34 utc | 229

headline
Joe Biden says new Kabul terror attack highly likely in next 24 to 36 hours
He must know!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2021 1:34 utc | 230

Bemildred @224 & Grieved @222–
Thanks for your replies! I do dearly wish Mike Ruppert was still alive so he could post his thoughts here to keep himself sane in the midst of the madness surrounding all of us. But he succumbed and was consumed by what he knew to be true. There’s a Devil, but it’s not some mystical manifestation. It’s a human construct known as Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 1:36 utc | 231

@226 corvo
He was preparing another large essay, so it’s no wonder he’s absent. He did pop his head in a time or two, briefly.
But bad-mouthing someone is not generally recognized as an effective way of asking them to perform a service for you. You might want to soften that acid tongue 😉
I would hate to lose him from the insults of commenters.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 29 2021 1:40 utc | 232

@ snake | Aug 29 2021 1:34 utc | 228 who wrote

I say it again Afghanistan’s only hope to achieve a sustainable independence depends on Afghanistan completely and totally ditching digital technology ( tear down cell towers, shut all cell phones off and return to dial-up POTs), including everyone’s concerns in the new constitution, and restrict currency for transactions to a government of Afghanistan issued scrip. No one goes in or out. Nearly nothing else will be needed every thing will work out in time.

Digital technology is not the crux of the problem and POTs can be compromised anyway…but if you could get Afghanistan within a China type controlled networking environment….you would accomplish the same thing but let Afghanistan benefit from the positives of digital technology.
I agree with your Afghanistan issued scrip/money assertion and again, would expand it in time to include a digital currency like China is/has piloted.
Your “No one goes in or out.” is also unworkable but the emphasis on know who and what goes in/out is correct.
And yes, Afghanistan needs time to sort out its own governance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 29 2021 1:45 utc | 233

Grieved:
I don’t regard truth-mouthing as bad-mouthing. YMMV of course. We’re dealing with someone whose obviously valuable contributions would be taken more seriously if only he grew the f*** up. So there.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 1:46 utc | 234

@ psychohistorian | Aug 29 2021 1:45 utc | 232:
Amen to that. You know what? Except for the repression and torture, I think Enver Hoxha had the right idea. It’s Aesopian, really: Lean freedom is better than fat slavery.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 1:50 utc | 235

@232 psychohistorian
I agree with everything you said here. Fortunately, Afghanistan is surrounded by nations that respect the differences of others – and, I think, are eager to create new paradigms in this world to supersede the old ones.
The SCO nations here are in a historic time when the multi-polar world figures out an entire realm of nuts and bolts to make things work between nations. I suspect all the players are somewhat aware of this new opportunity and challenge, and its significance.
There are days when I agree with those who call this time the ending of the last empire. We’re still left with the rule of greed to overthrow, but imagine if these things could done – oh wait…that’s exactly what you do imagine 🙂

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 29 2021 1:53 utc | 236

psychohistorian and corvo
I think more a matter of surgically eliminating foreign assets while pulling Afghanistan together as an inclusive nation.
Media control, digital and otherwise will be a big part of that. Perhaps Russia and China will lend a hand with keeping an eye on the electronic media.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 1:58 utc | 237

The inclusion of Syria in the CSTO is in Russia’s interests
Discussing the isue of Syria joining the CSTO.
https://russtrat.ru/comments/27-avgusta-2021-0010-5707

Posted by: Tom | Aug 29 2021 2:00 utc | 238

I see I should’ve been agreeing with snake instead of psychohistorian on the matter of Afghanistan and digitization. Not even Iran has managed to free itself from Western hacking, and I’d be curious to know whether China or Russia really has done so. Not seeing much hope for Afghanistan (or Russia or China or Iran) until the day comes when everything they operate, all the way down to the cell phone, operates on networks that are internet-incompatible.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 2:08 utc | 239

@ karlof 230
Mike Ruppert — I didn’t know about — and also Gary Webb who wrote about the destruction in Los Angeles by the CIA drug trade. Webb later suffered from a ‘suicide’ resulting from two (2) shots to the head.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2021 2:13 utc | 240

@ Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 1:58 utc | 236 who wrote

Media control, digital and otherwise will be a big part of that. Perhaps Russia and China will lend a hand with keeping an eye on the electronic media.

Agreed. Look at how brainwashed and seemingly hypnotized Americans and many in the West that mainline the MSM are.
Maybe the Taliban will institute something like the US 1949 – 1987 FCC Fairness Doctrine…/snark
It is quite interesting to watch and speculate at the opportunity that is opening for humanity in general

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 29 2021 2:13 utc | 241

corvo
No country can turn into hermit kingdom (well NK…its all they’ve ever known).
Russia neutralized it by ensuring those who are foreign funded are named as such. Like what you see on food packaging. China has been eliminating a number of foreign bad eggs from their internet without cutting its population off from the world. I see they are now going to crack down on internal sites that try to incite financial rushes and dumps and so forth.
Just a matter of policing rather than padded cell for everyone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 2:18 utc | 242

corvo @238–
The combination of quantum computing with 6G com will be the ticket, IMO. What’s been reported about China’s experiments along those lines in the technical literature forms my conjecture. The Empire’s very far behind; so when operative, a “No Listening Zone” will exist for China and those it shares that tech with. And it will occur much sooner than most can fathom. Imagine a Cone of Silence big enough to include all Eurasia. Have you noticed all those com satellites China’s been launching? They’re part of the infrastructure for such a system. Ever wonder why Xi appears so confident?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 2:23 utc | 243

Peter, I’m not talking about fifth columnists and foreign agents with web sites. I’m talking about hackers and OS backdoors. Iran has, I assume, a more robust internet infrastructure than Afghanistan, and suffers mightly from viral infections (both real and software-metaphorical). Unconfirmable reports suggest that China fights them off on an almost daily basis. Obviously an independent Afghanistan is going to need a lot of help — and an ounce of prevention (etc. etc. etc.).

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 2:23 utc | 244

psychohistorian 240
It is early days yet, but seeing Taliban trying to build an inclusive nation gives a lot of hope. Maybe that will change as soon as the last US plane leaves but I think not. I expect karlof will keep us informed of the coming CSTO meeting so will be interesting to see what comes of it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 2:26 utc | 245

@ corvo | Aug 29 2021 2:08 utc | 238 with the concern over digital future security
I started my computer career in 1969, my following of technology has never stopped and like the rest of the civilization war we are in, security, built into chip/system/network/application design is on the crux of a new underlying paradigm that is not profit/social control…led by China…..have patience or….
Now, if the God of Mammon elite are able to infect China with the cancer of private finance social control of resource allocation and risk management then the old paradigm takes us into extinction……IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 29 2021 2:26 utc | 246

Don @239–
Mike and Gary were good friends and collaborators. Gary was murdered by the CIA and is why Mike fled to Venezuela, although he returned. Mike’s fate I’m not as sure about, but I know he felt unable to share what he knew and that greatly bothered him.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 2:27 utc | 247

@ karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 2:23 utc | 242L
Now that’s more in line with what I’m thinking — as long as such technology is inaccessible to the West.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 2:28 utc | 248

snake @Aug29 1:34 #228
Now you’re trying to recover by focusing on the Afghanistan evacuation.
You were clearly lumping ISIS and other matters into your conclusion that “none of us has a clue what is the real situation.. “
Your intention wasn’t to mislead then why did you blatantly mis-characterization my comment:

“Jackrabbit @ 68 sez the messianic founder/leader of ISIS in US custody for years self-reincarinates in response to MSM propaganda needs.”

The mental somersaults needed to arrive at “reincarnation” are just too great to be a simple misunderstanding. In my comment, I had said that USA had claimed to have killed ISIS founder/leader Bagdadi with some attempts seemingly timed with the news cycle. And my statement is not even controversial. Many commenters over the years have sardonically noted the multiple failed attempts to kill Bagdandi.
Lastly, if it was not your intention to squash speculation and sharing of knowledge then you should be denouncing David F’s comment @Aug28 23:28 #206 which expanded your “no clue” sentiment to dystopic heights of lunacy.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 29 2021 2:28 utc | 249

oops, I phrased that wrong: As long as the West doesn’t have access to such technology.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 2:29 utc | 250

Too many theories, too much nonsense centered around specifics of whether the explosion at Kabul airport was a so-called false flag. As if the amerikan slimeballs sat down and planned out the attack when that is contrary to the way we know these gutter crawlers operate.
They don’t have to get too specific, they realised a long time back in the hills of Indochina that if they resource a range of angry ‘victims’ of minority cultures they will create the sort of chaos needed for them to rationalise their crimes.
The 1st surge or ‘awakening’ in Iraq created the Sunni ISIS movement. That initial creation was likely more hands on than the scumbags prefer as Iraq had existed in reasonable factional peace in its urban areas where amerika initially sought to create a divide. However years after hundred’s of thousands of Sunni breadwinners had been summarily dismissed from their jobs during ‘de-Ba’athification’, Petraeus and his puppet masters calculated that re-employing many of the alleged former Ba’athists, equipping them with modern small arms and sending ’em out on patrol would create exactly the chaos needed to keep Iraq ungovernable and under amerikan control. The ‘awakening’ forces morphed into ISIS exactly as the slime had surmised. It didn’t work as well as they hoped because Iran had quickly stepped up and aided Iraq in ridding the nation of these arseholes – meaning amerika struggles to maintain a deployment in Iraq -yep there are a few thousand killers & rapists left but their presence is always under threat no matter how often puppet leaders are swapped.
A whisper in the ears of a few Saudi arseholes is all it would have taken for a cadre of ISIS idiots to be shifted outta Idlib Syria, and into Pashtu tribal lands. Since it has been apparent to all but those who will not see that the Taleban recognised since 2001 allowing foreign resistance fighters sanctuary in Afghanistan was more trouble than it was worth (see Colonel Gaddafi’s similar realisation in the 1960’s Libya), the amerikan slimeballs decided to plant their own terrorists in Afghanistan. It had to be a new force since most of the indigenous Afghan AQ types hooked up with the Taleban years ago and are just as anti- Afghanistan being a terrorist base as the Taleban, the slimeballs created a new mob of useful idiots out of an old mob of the same, ISIS became IS-K.
The threats against the wannabe refugees outside the airport have been consistent for at least a week before the bombing so maybe that is all it took. Some amerikan administration puppet of the slimeballs puts out a report stating they believe there will be an attack and that is sufficient to get IS-K’s Saudi handlers to wise up the cadre who then select their most useful, most idiotic member of the gang to sling on a vest & hit the airport. All messaging about time & place can be co-ordinated through ME Intelligence reports from ‘anonymous sources’ which makes it near impossible to find a smoking gun.
The state of amerika military training where every fool gets a burger n coke as required but never gets taught how to react under fire made the band of wanna-be heroes certain to shoot up the crowd just as they have shot infants in motor vehicles in Iraq & Afghanistan when the fools expect that everyone can read simple english in a nation with 80%+ illiteracy. The troll in here who claims that it is normal for trained soldiers to shoot unarmed innocents after fellow soldiers are killed, surely does explain the huge numbers of war crimes committed by the coalition during their illegal occupation.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 29 2021 2:38 utc | 251

Re: Asha K. | Aug 29 2021 0:39 utc | 214
No complaint, just clarification as to who said what. I did not know he was impersonating a German conductor, the late Herbert Kegel (or even who Kegel was). That it is a well deserved pillorying of legacy / dinosaur media and anti-social media attacks on people for being “foreign agents”, Putin’s lapdogs”, yada, yada, yada, makes sense. Might have figured it out if I spoke Spanish which I almost, sort of, was able to read at some point decades ago but forgot most of what I (sort of) learned.

Posted by: William Haught | Aug 29 2021 2:39 utc | 252

corvo
Iran’s issues more come from human assets inside the country. Physical access to computers or to what will be plugged into those computers. Not so long back there was bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities and these were by Israeli/US assets inside Iran.
Like Iran and Syria, Taliban Afghanistan will have to take the hits and keep on keeping on.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 2:41 utc | 253

——————————
Meanwhile over at Pakistan, TTP and Baloch militants are again targeting the Chinese.
Bomb killed 9 Chinese engineers in bus.
More injured in suicide attack on cars ferrying Chinese.
The NYT is trolling on the latest bloodbath.

YOu want gringos outta Afghan ?
Be careful what you wish for !
[1]
pssst
When the cat is away, the rats are having a field day…bring back the cat pronto 😉

Wow,
FUS is bombing the shit outta another of their babies Al-Shaab in Somalia.
[2]
‘Terrorism’
The gift that keeps on giving.
AQ, Al sahaab, Boko Haram, TTP, is, ISIS, The caliphs….
Manufactured crisis, US boots on the ground..
Wash, rinse and cycle.

they dont bother to assign new labels these days so this latest iteration is ISIS-K !
hehehe
[1]
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/suicide-bomber-pakistan-kills-chinese-national-roadside-attack-chinese-embassy-2021-08-21/
[2]
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/08/18/in-somalia-us-bombs-the-terrorists-it-created/

Posted by: denk | Aug 29 2021 2:42 utc | 254

Asha, Haught–
I really don’t know why you’re going on about the conductor Herbert Kegel. He died in 1990 and thus cannot have had a Twitter account. Whoever Herbert_Keg is, he’s not the Leipzig/Dresden conductor.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 2:45 utc | 255

I read the Finian Cunningham article that others were discussing here. I think his concluding speculation that Baradar could be involved in the airport bombing is wide of the mark. Cunningham seems not to know that it was Taliban who first alerted the west to the impending danger, not a thing western intelligence discovered, and that takes away some of his reasoning.
But as for the rest, I don’t think Baradar could operate in that kind of security vacuum to work secretly to achieve a bloodbath that obviously the Taliban did not want. And I haven’t seen any evidence that Baradar, the man, could even think of such a betrayal.
The story of Baradar reminds me of some intense discussions we had here once about the Iranian revolution. The US thought that Khomeini was their man, and he was opposed to communism, which was good enough for many. But when he came to power, it was soon seen that he was not the west’s puppet.
Baradar was released by the US in order to lead the negotiations with the Taliban beginning in 2018. This makes sense, he was a good choice. He may well have been seen as the US’s man during this time, but I suspect from his life path that he is Afghanistan’s man, and no tool of the US.
What he achieved from those talks was the regaining of his nation, not any “deal” that favors the US. If he couldn’t serve them during those three years of working with them – and free only at their sufferance – what possible inducement would he have now?

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 29 2021 2:46 utc | 256

Re: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 22:38 utc | 201
When the Legacy / Dinosaur Media speaks of fighting ISIS, are they revealing that they are at war with an Egyptian Goddess? Even that would probably make more sense than official narratives.

Posted by: William Haught | Aug 29 2021 2:50 utc | 257

I think we have to trust the Taliban to decide correctly whether Baradar is a CIA mole. I suspect the Taliban decided that matter long ago.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 2:50 utc | 258

I am absolutely, 100%, sure that there was no suicide bomber, and that it was a pre emplaced bomb detonated by the CIA.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 29 2021 2:57 utc | 259

USA is the most brutal nation in history of mankind, none in history, other than US leaders, has killed so many in just few minutes and for what end? certainly not for peace but to just show the world she now has just acquired that power that no one else has, this is the moment USA started believing she is exceptional. This the first time US believed she is the sole supper power and now she can dictate to the world her Ruled Based Order. That moment of exceptionalism has become an institutionalized psychosis in American mentality fully promoted by state propaganda from early schooling and in American homes. Unfortunately this boost up supper power supper hero felling will end with in a severe national trauma (like Germany experienced after WW1) , as is already becoming evident, with continued reduction of her supper power exceptionalism which she has been experiencing in forming World Order or even setting world agenda (Alaska Moment) she will nationally become more and more mentally ill and more isolationist and more dangerous specially to her own population.

Posted by: Kooshy | Aug 29 2021 2:58 utc | 260

Debsisdead 250
Much of what you say is true – basically plant the seeds and nurture it under the right conditions, but this does not cause pearl harbors to magically appear at the correct time.
A little like that minsk meeting that ran most of the night with porky anxiously on the phone.
One of the green men that took the last village to create the calderon was asked how they took the place – this was that morning – one of the videos that came out of ukraine at the time. All that could be seen was his eyes and he quietly answered a couple of questions. One team had laid down an artillary barrage on the ukie trenches at that village then the green men went into the barrage and took the ukies while they were huddled in their trenches.
Neither that caldren, nor the US pearl harbours occur by coincidence.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 3:01 utc | 261

Jackrabbit #221

The only reason we know as much as we do is because of brave journalists and whistle-blowers.
That’s why there has been a determined effort to sideline or co-opt real journalists and intimidate potential whistle-blowers.
Assange is not just being made to suffer for the info he disclosed to the world, he is being made an example of to dissuade others.

Assange is being crucified for cleansing the temple of lies and refusing the treats of money changers.
As for your retort to snake – ++ more strength to your arm. The snake has disclosed its agenda many times.
karlof1 #213
True that. Thank you and Finnian for pinning the target on the mule.
Taliban – TAKE NOTE – I hope you had the nous to ensure the meeting was attended by two additional and entirely separate and trusted allies. You can NEVER trust the cia.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 29 2021 3:09 utc | 262

Taliban – TAKE NOTE – I hope you had the nous to ensure the meeting was attended by two additional and entirely separate and trusted allies.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 29 2021 3:09 utc | 261

If they didn’t, well, their Darwin Award is in the mail, and the question would arise as to whether they’re too stupid to deserve to govern.
Myself, I imagine they’re smarter than that.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 3:34 utc | 263

Re the Taliban bloke who was released from the american gulag having a part in the bombing. That would also require a number of other taliban members at various checkpoints also working for the CIA. Taliban didn’t survive his long by being fools.
Far easier for five-eyes with their various pineapple operations to get the bomber through. Perhaps CIA but as it was a pearl harbour operation hitting americans, may have been farmed out to another of five-eyes.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 3:41 utc | 264

@74 S
Funny that you mention the Soviets in the context of Afghanistan and resistance. How many Afghans civilians perished during the Soviet occupation, a million?

Posted by: m | Aug 29 2021 4:31 utc | 265

https://tass.com/world/1331347
“MOSCOW, August 28. /TASS/. US President Joe Biden authorized US Armed Forces to strike any targets, related to the ISIS-K terror group (a division of the Daesh terror group, outlawed in Russia) in Afghanistan, Politico reported Saturday citing three US officials.
According to the report, the Pentagon can now strike Daesh terrorists without obtaining authorization from the White House.
“If we find more [Daesh targets], we will strike them,” one source told Politico.
According to the source, senior Pentagon officials already had this authority, but Biden reaffirmed them in the instructions for the military Friday. New strikes against Daesh are expected in the upcoming days.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 5:16 utc | 266

William Gruff @189:
ISIS soldiers might not be saints, but I think you are stretching the argument a bit too far.
The leadership of ISIS is clearly guided by Wahabism. Second, if you take a rag tag gang of hoodlums of the street, give them guns, money, a god and a cause you get something mighty strong.
Remember: the attacker blew him self up. That’s not just another day at eork, is it?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 29 2021 5:20 utc | 267

UT @194:
Read the article, thanks. “However, informal groups and other kinds of networks that have sprung up have also become a critical means […]” Hey, that’s no way to run a military operation! Good evidence that they are not just going home, they are fleeing.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 29 2021 5:30 utc | 268

Snake @204:
“In summary, what i see is none of us has a clue what is the real situation.”
Depends on how you see it. Some people her ‘know’ that the CIA organised an attack on US elite forces that killed 13 soldiers. Deliberately.
If you know that, you know everything…

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 29 2021 5:52 utc | 269

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/evacuation-of-turks-from-kabul-done-in-less-than-48-hours-minister-167429
Turkish troops and civilians all evacuated from Afghanistan, except embassy personel, even before August 31. Erdoğan intending to score brownie points with taliban, so Turkey can take part in reconstruction, airport security, etc.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 29 2021 5:54 utc | 270

Stonebird @154:
Struck me that the strategic bombers might be part of an evacuation plan. If you have to leave Syria, you wouldn’t want to leave all your goodies behind for Hezbollah and the PKK, now would you? Bombing your empty based might be a thing.
Or they are for use in Yemen. But that would be a hell of a political turnaround.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 29 2021 5:58 utc | 271

How many Afghans civilians perished during the Soviet occupation, a million?
Posted by: m | Aug 29 2021 4:31 utc | 264
The question that I wish could be answered is, how many Afghan civilians perished because of the actions of the Peace President, Jimmy Carter. Carter, the one who started this shit show of creating, arming training funding and PR support for the most despictable humans to ever grace Gods green earth.

Posted by: Tom | Aug 29 2021 6:16 utc | 272

@William Gruff | Aug 28 2021 21:40 utc | 189 (and karlof1 before)
Agree 100% that ISIS is the Imperial Terrorist Foreign Legion, I have used similar terms myself. It follows that I think it is correct to look at these groups as death squads similar to what we saw in places like Honduras before. That is what “ISIS” is, they have just been re-branded for the middle east to stir up religious hatred that serves the empire’s own purposes.
Whenever something happens that is immediately (and that’s an important clue) blamed on “ISIS” there should’t be much discussion about who the real instigators are.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 29 2021 6:25 utc | 273

@Jackrabbit | Aug 29 2021 0:46 utc | 217
Good post. I agree entirely. I independently reacted the same way as you to Snake @204 and David F @206.
That we don’t have ALL the answers doesn’t mean that we know nothing. We have enough pieces of the puzzle to see the big picture, and it is getting clearer.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 29 2021 6:51 utc | 274

@ snake | Aug 29 2021 1:34 utc | 228

Biden departure from Afghanistan a surprise.. Taliban takeover was a light-speed surprise.

Well, it was a surprise that was explicitly predicted months in advance. Here is Alexander Mercouris in a video dated March 9, 2001
Biden’s Looming Afghan Debacle: Worst Since Fall of Saigon
38:30 “Let it be under no doubt it will be the greatest debacle the United States has suffered since the fall of South Vietnam”

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 29 2021 7:16 utc | 275

corvo #262

Myself, I imagine they’re smarter than that.

Agreed. I was using some license there. I get the impression that they are WAY smarter than anyone thought up until they swooped on every city in every province and leap frogged into the capital. I bet that sure ticked off the USA and its nato dog.
It is always possible that the shabby lapse in USA security was a nasty fu at the time of exit.
I also suspect that on September 1 the USA will recognise those poor freedumb Panjshir resistance fighters as the succession govt of Afghanistan etc etc, you know how it goes. I would like to be wrong but trust and zero are now interchangeable terms when it comes to USA.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 29 2021 7:28 utc | 276

@Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 29 2021 2:57 utc | 258

I am absolutely, 100%, sure that there was no suicide bomber, and that it was a pre emplaced bomb detonated by the CIA.

I am not at all sure what happened, but this scenario should be on the list of plausible ones.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 29 2021 7:32 utc | 277

uncle tungsten 275
Taliban have been sending diplomatic groups to various countries over the last few years Russia, China Iran ect – enough to see that they were viewed as serious players, but what was surprising, even with the US history of occupations of various countries based on corruption, was how quickly their Afghan puppet crumpled after they cut the puppet strings.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 7:40 utc | 278

@ Norwegian | Aug 29 2021 7:16 utc | 274
Correction: The date should of course be March 9, 2021

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 29 2021 7:40 utc | 279

If only Las Vegas allowed gambling on Government statements in the manner of Sports Betting it would so easy to get rich, apply
George Carlins first rule “never believe anything the Government says”, I put my chips on absolutely 100% sure there was no suicide bomber!

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 29 2021 7:45 utc | 280

@karlof1 246
Regarding Mike Ruppert: Excuse me if I tell something you know already – I’ve seen a documentary about his death. In his last days, he was living in Oregon or North California in a caravan “village”. One day he was found shot. His landlord, who was befriended with him, rejected assumptions that he didn’t commit suicide and -AFAIR- that he left a confession note. I find that credible because I followed his life path and also saw the documentary “Collapse” where you can see how passionate he was – unfortunately, too passionate. Certainly the stuff he uncovered contributed to his desperation.
I was never in contact with him, but am really honoured that he dedicated two pages of his 911 classic “Crossing the Rubicon” to quote an article of mine titled “The Cleveland Airport Mystery”, despite the imperfect English. At that time, I was one of the many laypersons researching the contradictions of the 911 attacks.
You can still find this article – and many other 9/11 and false flag related – on my blog. Pardon for this self-advertising, but in light of the coming 20th anniversary I think it’s justified.

Posted by: Woody Box | Aug 29 2021 8:52 utc | 281

@271 Tom
You might not have noticed yey but there is only one country called Afghanistan. The Afghans that fought the Soviet occupation are the same Afghans that later fought the Americans. Are they “the most despictable humans to ever grace Gods green earth” or are the Afghans freedom fighters who fought for the self-determination of their country? You cannot have it both.
By the way, despite the fact that the Western war in Afghanistan lasted twice as long as the Soviet war and despite a significant increase in the Afghan population since the 1980`s (that is: more people were affected by the war) is even by the most favourable estimates the number of dead civilian during the Soviet occupation at least ten times(!) higher than during the US occupation. Look it up if you don`t believe it.

Posted by: m | Aug 29 2021 8:55 utc | 282

m
Taliban cleaned up the US mujaheddin. US have been fighting the taliban and flying in more mujaheddin types. Soviets moved in after CIA and carter kicked off what we know know as AQ ISIS whatever other bullshit the made in USA terrorist types name themselves. Taleban are like those chechens who did not convert to wahabism when CIA moved in saudi clerics and its mujaheddin from Afghanistan.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 9:12 utc | 283

Down South @144 & 147:
Took a while for your comments to sink in, but that acually makes perfect sense. The Brotherhood is an organization that’s almost a hundred years old. Having them as experienced internal advisors might explain why the Taliban transfomed from a pasthucentric guerilla to an organisation that at least seems capable of running a country with out making a complete mess of things.
A piece of the puzzle that complets the picture. Very likely. Thanks!

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 29 2021 9:16 utc | 284

His fans at MoA will get all the answers they wish, coming soon on your screen, Baradar’s interview on France24 (courtesy of al Jazeera who has let the French venue get the exclusivity).
To be broadcasted tomorrow.
This is within 2 weeks of the opening of the Paris attacks, planned from… Aleppo.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 29 2021 9:33 utc | 285

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 29 2021 9:16 utc | 282
The MB connection is also why Erdoğan’s Turkey and Qatar will likely be accepted to work in Afghanistan for the security of the airport and to help reconstruct the the country.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 29 2021 9:37 utc | 286

Posted by: m | Aug 29 2021 8:55 utc | 280
Who started the forty year war?
Where was the forty year war located, on the US border or on the USSR border?
Counting victims, how humane and concerned you seem to be, if you add up all the victims of the religious war started by the USA on the other side of the world the tally comes to millions.
I guess your take on it is I managed to blind my enemy by loosing an eye myself, and that is precisely why you’re going down, you do not know nor want relations that are mutually beneficial with anybody, the hegemon wants it all, and anything that is beneficial for anybody but him is bad news, that is why the end is near.
And one more point, the Soviets fought your religious fanatics and fought them good as recognized by the Afghans themselves, the hegemon has made a specialty of bombing, droning, distance shooting, mercenaries and proxy hiring, cowardly methods of fighting since war has not visited his land, if they only knew they would not be so trigger happy.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 29 2021 9:43 utc | 287

a stinger missile will be the cherry on the cak,better to leave on a bicycle

Posted by: mcohen | Aug 29 2021 9:46 utc | 288

On my #2 posting

Coincidence, chance or necessity?
Just-in-time for the blowing was a “Rogue Team of Retired US Vets Rescue [on] Secret Missions”

A piece of the puzzle that complets the picture.
I found the list of US Servicemen on NYT and GP. One was Staff leader and 31. One was 25. All others 20 to 23, only three weeks into first deployment. Those ones are not well trained CIA assets.
Why did you deployed such a bunch of rookies is this klusterfuck nightmare, if you want no casualties?
CHANCE?

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 29 2021 10:12 utc | 289

In a video at https://theduran.locals.com/ recorded one day before the Kabul attacks, Alexander Mercouris and Alex Christoforou discuss the Afghanistan situation, and Mercouris says about the Biden administration sending the CIA director William Burns to Kabul to negotiate with the Taliban (my emphasis):
“The only person you could think of sending to Afghanistan is the CIA director, and as you absolutely rightly say: one, the Taliban have no interest in talking to him anyway, and secondly they will be asking themselves ‘why are they sending the CIA director to talk to us? Is this because the Americans are plotting something?’, because that’s the reputation, let’s face it, that the CIA has. “
Next thing you know, “ISIS” attacks the airport.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 29 2021 10:38 utc | 290

Will “ISIS” show up and blow up the Nordstream next?
NOTHING and I mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G….
Would surprise me with the desperate act of the HEgemon in these days.
All sane men, stay strong!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKafdEM3z5I

Posted by: Harald | Aug 29 2021 10:42 utc | 291

RE: Posted by: Paco | Aug 29 2021 9:43 utc | 285
“the hegemon wants it all “
Resort to “emotionalism” is a form of self-induced blindness, part of the reason that the opponents encourage “emotionalism” in others, a practice that has saturated the coercive social relations self-described as “The United States of America” from inception prior to 1776.
Words without context and definition are empty vessels which others fill with their own connotations/content which are derived from levels of immersion in social relations.
Very often such process is predicated on, and facilitated by, subliminal expectations ergo emotional responses in some degree, and encouraged by “We the people hold these truths to be self-evident”.
Some hold that connotations of “hegemon” include but are not limited to, “all powerful”, “all knowing”, and “in complete control” whose effects mimic those of “We the people hold these truths to be self-evident” ergo lets not bother trying to transcend them.
Throughout much of history the myth of “hegemony” has been evangelised in many forms but for similar purpose namely – encourage others to lets not bother to transcend them – which through their interactions would like to be “hegemons” undermine their own mythology, including but not limited by “wants it allness”.
In previous a comment thumbnails of “The United States of America” – defined as a complex of coercive social relations- has been running scared since 1520, but in less complex forms since the process of minimising co-operative hunter-gathering by increasing imposition/resort to “agriculture” in which to some degree the imposers “wanted it all” thereby creating some conditions to facilitate their “down-fall” containing connotations of a previous state of “in controlness = “hegemony/state of grace” have been referenced.
Ideology is immersive and can be encouraged to mutate in practice to increase its half-life, as your phrase quoted above illustrates.
Omniscience is not an option in lateral process but on the basis of present knowledge not solely reliant on belief, there never was and presently is not a “hegemon” except in the beliefs of those immersed in such illusion.
Some functioning within “The United States of America” in some regard, despite mantra to the contrary, do not believe that they are hegemonic so resort to evangelism such as “USA, USA, USA”, and “Making America great again” a Freudian slip based on another illusion of return to a paradise/time which never existed, and practised predicated on “we want it all-ness”, which some interpret as a function of their “hegemonic facility” whilst understand that this is a reflex action based on fear, as is xenophobia.
In analysis and practices derived therefrom ther is an important caution which is this:
Do you believe that your opponent is as stupid as you are?
It is useful that you believe in “hegemony” and resort to “emotionalism” rendering it “highly likely” that you will stay home and not be a danger to yourself and others, since in increasing fear (emotionalism) the opponents are attempting to encourage iterations of medieval children’s crusades.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 29 2021 10:52 utc | 292

Grieved @ 222
I don’t know US military doctrine or training, but this strikes me as a trained response, to react with massive firepower and essentially clear the field of anything that might constitute a threat or even an unknown. So, we could call it “panic” or an “over-reaction” but I suspect it was actually standard practice
I don’t know either, but it recalls the scene in Full Metal Jacket where the squad unloads a week’s worth of ammunition when they come under attack from a single sniper.
I do know that Ridley Scott, the director, was very scrupulous in his research.

Posted by: john | Aug 29 2021 10:58 utc | 293

Jörgen Hassler @266: “The leadership of ISIS is clearly guided by Wahabism.”
Sure, “…guided by…”. All criminal gangs have an internal mythos that gives them some cohesion, and if criminal “masterminds” want to herd these various gangs in a particular direction then an umbrella myth helps augment the stipend being offered. Other than being something that the death squad gang members can relate to the specific myth used is unimportant. It might as well involve valkyries and Wagner’s opera… oh wait, that one has been used before.
Oh well, street thugs tend to be shallow thinkers with short memories and no patience for historical context so these myths can be recycled endlessly.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2021 11:11 utc | 294

John @ 291:
Stanley Kubrick was the director of “Full Metal Jacket”, not Ridley Scott. Kubrick had a reputation for being attentive and exact with respect to design or historical detail.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 29 2021 11:20 utc | 295

@285 Paco
The war in Afghanistan started by the Islamist uprising against the Soviet-backed Afghan government. It subsequently escalated by Carter granting assistance to the isurgency and the Soviet Union invading because otherwise their puppets would have been toppled
by the isurgents.

Posted by: m | Aug 29 2021 11:24 utc | 296

Jen @ 293
Thank you Jen. I actually knew that…my bad.
Anyhoo, Kubrick was probably even more scrupulous about detail.
Thanks again. Apologies.

Posted by: john | Aug 29 2021 11:28 utc | 297

Number of ppl who have served in Afghanistan in the last 20 years: 800,000.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 29 2021 11:30 utc | 298

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs
Jeffrey Sachs (Columbia University) estimates that on one thousand billion dollars spent in Afghanistan, 816 were spent on the US troops, 83 on the Afghan security forces, 10 on actions against opium cultivation and only 21 on supporting Afghanistan economically (water, schools, hospitals, roads…)

Posted by: Mina | Aug 29 2021 11:45 utc | 299

What is clear in the shooting incident is that the troops have not been taught to shoot with any care or discipline. None of that “Don’t shoot until you see the whites of their eyes” stuff for them. This does much to explain the frequency of “collateral damage”. Like the seal that supposedly shot Bin Laden, they shoot at anything they see. Sell a lot of ammo that way. Always running out.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 29 2021 12:25 utc | 300