Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 28, 2021
The Never Ending Lies About The War On Afghanistan

The U.S. military has lied for 20 years about the war in Afghanistan. Do not expect it to suddenly tell the truth.

Thursday's suicide bombing in Kabul and the following panic killed more than 150 civilians (some 30 of whom were British-Afghan), 28 Taliban fighters and 13 U.S. troops.

Before the attack happened a Taliban spokesperson had told RT that they had warned the U.S. of an imminent ISPK attack.

Repeating Pentagon claims the New York Times describes the attack:

At 5:48 p.m., the bomber, wearing a 25-pound explosive vest under clothing, walked up to the group of Americans who were frisking people hoping to enter the complex. He waited, officials said, until just before he was about to be searched by the American troops. And then he detonated the bomb, which was unusually large for a suicide vest, killing himself and igniting an attack that would leave dozens of people dead, including 13 American service members.

If the suicide bomber was so close to the inner perimeter checkpoint manned by U.S. forces why were so many Taliban, who manned checkpoints at the outer perimeter, killed in the incident?

The Times writes:

Just after the bomb went off, Defense Department officials said, fighters nearby began firing weapons. The officials said that some of the Americans and Afghans at Abbey Gate might have been hit by that gunfire.

What fighters nearby?

The BBC correspondent in Kabul has asked people who where there:

Secunder Kermani @SecKermani – 7:21 UTC · Aug 28, 2021

Our report from last night on the awful ISIS attack outside Kabul airport as families still search Kabul's morgues for their loved ones..
Many we spoke to, including eyewitnesses, said significant numbers of those killed were shot dead by US forces in the panic after the blast
Embedded video

The correspondent talks to the brother a London taxi driver who was in Kabul to fetch his family:

A: "Somehow I saw American soldiers, Turkish soldiers and the fire was coming from the bridges, from the towers."
Q: "From the soldiers?"
A: "Yeah, from the soldiers."

(Side note: Some of the towers around the airport were reportedly manned by members of the CIA's Afghan death squads.)

Another witness:

Narrator: "Noor Mohamed had been deployed alongside American forces."

A man holding up an identity card of a friend talks about his death in English.

A: "The guy has served U.S. army for years. And the reason he lost his life – he wasn't killed by Taliban, he wasn't killed by ISIS, he was (unintelligible)."
Q: "How can you be sure?"
A: "Because of the bullet. The bullet went inside of his head. Right here." (Points to the back of his head.) "He doesn't have any (other) injury."

The Pentagon did not respond to the BBC's request for comments.

Comments

re: significant numbers of those killed were shot dead by US forces in the panic after the blast
Yes, there were about 400 casualties, only a fraction of them from an explosive vest.
The latest on the Kabul airport attack … More than 170 people were killed and at least 200 were wounded
. . .from “A decade of global IED harm reviewed” (quote):
Incidents that have involved a suicide attacker see the highest general levels of casualties of any type of IED. Casualties per incident over the last decade, including the attacker, were an average 36 casualties per incident. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 17:25 utc | 101

Paco @Aug28 17:22 #99
“Circe” is a troll. His political and ideological leanings are not what they seem.
PS Despite the female moniker, the commenter is not a women.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 17:25 utc | 102

@98 The so-called Panjshir resistance looks like a non-starter. Even with all their resources the CIA have been known to make mistakes occasionally. Hard to believe I know.

Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2021 17:26 utc | 103

SwissArmyMan @82:
The ‘K’ Khorasan. They use different maps then we do. So you can convinently substitute the K for an A. As in Afghanistan. It’s a geographic reference. The most exact would ofcourse be ISK. But asides from that, have you heard of ISIS in Afghanistan, or do you still need examples?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 17:27 utc | 104

As for the Americans shooting up everyone after the blast, Occam’s Razor would indicate that we look for nothing more than incompetence. US troops have always been ill-disciplined rabble.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Aug 28 2021 17:27 utc | 105

old hippie @93:
I know, that’s the reality the rock where your cribs at. Though man.
In the real world this happens:
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/08/28/amazon-cuts-the-cord-on-isis-propaganda-site-after-group-praises-kabul-bombing-1125833/

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 17:31 utc | 106

I will take it as I expected that you cannot provide any example of it’s usage before a day or two ago.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 17:32 utc | 107

SwissArmyMan @71 @82, “ISIS-K variant” is quite apt, thanks!
I’ve recently referred to the US-manipulated and -deployed Wahhabi extremism as a “virulent extremist strain“, but it may be appropriate to also start referring to the different AQ/IS/AN/WH/ETIM/ISISK/ISIS-K endless derivatives as “variants” as well.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 28 2021 17:34 utc | 108

“It seems unlikely that IsisK would have troops at a heavily-armed airport gate when they already had a suicide bomber.” – Sam @ 7
Well it’s similar to having a second bomb waiting for first responders. It’s a next level terror strategy sadly.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 17:34 utc | 109

@ Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2021 17:26 utc | 103
The CIA’s success rate is actually pretty low. It looks successful because they have unlimited resources from the biggest empire ever made at its apex.

Posted by: vk | Aug 28 2021 17:35 utc | 110

SAM @107:
Checkmate!
[Why media started using the name they use them self I don’t know. Probably becaus it’s a more pricise description than “ISIS in Afghanistan”, the are their own entity so to speak.]

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 17:37 utc | 112

Jörgen Hassler @Aug28 17:27 #104: But asides from that, have you heard of ISIS in Afghanistan …
FACTS ON THE GROUND! LOL.
It’s useful to go a bit beyond what we are told and apply some thought. Have you questioned why ISIS is in Afghanistan? Why they have chosen to make an enemy of a fundamentalist Sunni group? Do they have such unlimited resources that they can waste them on ideological nitpicking?
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 17:40 utc | 113

The target was “an ISIS-K planner and facilitator” and then ” two high-profile ISIS targets were killed, one wounded” . . It’s a general talking, so of course it makes no sense
MG Taylor: Yesterday, U.S. military forces conducted an over-the-horizon counterterrorism operation against an ISIS-K planner and facilitator. […] I can confirm now that two high-profile ISIS targets were killed, one wounded, and we know of zero civilian casualties.. . .here
Damn, how can they function without one planner and facilitator? or two . .forget it.
By the way, reportedly the kill weapon was an MQ-9 Reaper from Kuwait, a 10 hr 50 min flight

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 17:40 utc | 114

SAM @107:
“One disturbing aspect is that the name used by IS in Syria to describe the offshoot here is the Khorasan group, using an old name for Afghanistan.” BBC dated 9 February 2015 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31290147
Took me about a minute to duckduckgo that, so you just let me prove the “lazy” part. As for beeing stupid and useless… Let’s stop this now, shall we? You seem to have a lot of reading to do…

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 17:42 utc | 115

The wiki link i gave about Khorasan group is actually a model of how spooks cover their trace. Very little on Aleppo, and all on “a small group” the designation of which would have been given by the intel comm. etc.
SIC
one can search syria comment and others for more info
some random links here
https://www.rferl.org/a/isis-turkey-islamic-state/26709983.html
https://carnegie-mec.org/diwan/56707
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/16/al-qaida-jihadists-syria-mistakenly-behead-ally
https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-intel-20141117-story.html

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2021 17:43 utc | 116

Circe is back and is now a Steve Bannon disciple.

Posted by: stranger iasl | Aug 28 2021 17:47 utc | 117

@110 Killing 13 US troops at Kabul airport (using one of their more determined assets to provide plausible deniability) can be considered a CIA success. We know that from Panetta’s coded message.

Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2021 17:47 utc | 118

Does anyone recall how Trump sought to arrange a small, symbolic bombing of Iran in retaliation of the downing of the drone? Iran sternly rejected any such attack.
Trump sought to set a precedent. Trump and Israel even pursued Russia’s OK for a bombing for weeks after, culminating in Russia’s rejection, saying that Iran was an ally.
Now we have the precedent of USA’s “over the horizon” policing of Afghanistan. Something that it had appeared (to this observer) that the Taliban had rejected when they claimed that they would not allow attacks on other countries that originate in Afghanistan.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 17:47 utc | 119

Jackrabbit @113:
I told you why they are there. They were brought there to destabalise Taliban territory. And probably to dump some excess from Syria.
But who ever brought them (same old gang, as you pointed out) forgot that the Wahabis are fighting their own war.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 17:49 utc | 120

I don’t see any reason to stop until you provide your example that I am wrong this is the entire text:
A drone strike in Afghanistan has killed a militant commander who recently swore allegiance to Islamic State (IS), officials say.
The police chief of Helmand said that former Taliban commander Mullah Abdul Rauf had died in the Nato strike.
It emerged last month that Rauf had sworn allegiance to IS after falling out with the Taliban.
Tribal elders in northern Helmand say a car carrying up to six people was destroyed while crossing the desert.
The car was loaded with ammunition and exploded, reports said.
Grey line
Analysis: BBC’s David Loyn, Kabul
Analysts are divided over whether those flying black flags in Afghanistan are opportunists or are directed by the IS leadership in Syria and Iraq.
The commander killed in Helmand, Mullah Abdul Rauf, was appointed deputy commander in the region some weeks after he first declared his allegiance when he split from the Taliban.
The air strike that killed him was one of the first reported under Nato’s new mandate.
There have been increasing reports of people supporting IS from across the country. Afghan government spokesmen continue to insist that they are disaffected Taliban, and not a significant new development.
One disturbing aspect is that the name used by IS in Syria to describe the offshoot here is the Khorasan group, using an old name for Afghanistan.
And there is an ancient myth that black flags will fly again in Khorasan shortly before the end of the world.
Grey line
The Afghan Intelligence Agency also said Rauf had been killed. Nato confirmed the air strike, but not the intended target.
Afghan forces say it has been very hard to call in air strikes under the new Nato mandate since the beginning of this year. This was one of the first strikes to be approved.
The militant commander’s brother-in-law and four Pakistanis were also killed in the attack, Helmand police chief Nabi Jan Mullahkhel was quoted by Reuters as saying.
Islamic State controls swathes of Syria and Iraq and has a small but growing presence in parts of Afghanistan.
Correspondents say it poses the first serious challenge to the coherence of the Taliban leadership for many years.
Grey line
Where else is Islamic State active?
Egypt: Based in Sinai, the IS branch was essentially a re-branding of Ansar Beit al-Maqdis, which first emerged in 2011 in the wake of the Egyptian revolution.
Libya: Three distinct Libyan IS “provinces” were announced in November – Barqah in the east, Tripoli in the west and Fazzan in the south.
Algeria: A breakaway group from al-Qaeda’s North Africa branch (AQIM), the IS branch rose to prominence in September when it beheaded French tourist Herve Gourdel. Since then it has been largely silent.
Yemen and Saudi Arabia: The new branches have not claimed any activities yet but the move represents a symbolic challenge to al-Qaeda.
Afghanistan-Pakistan: IS says its branch here represents the historic Khorasan Province – a region covering Afghanistan, Pakistan and “other nearby lands”.
Islamic State builds on al-Qaeda lands
Grey line
Rauf, who spent six years in Guantanamo Bay after being captured by US forces in 2001, was reported to have fallen out with the leader of the Taliban, Mullah Omar.
He swapped the white flags of the Taliban for the black flags of IS and recruited followers in Helmand.
Rauf was then named as deputy leader of IS in “Khorasan” – an old name for Afghanistan – by the organisation in Syria.
The most senior IS commander for the region is Saeed Khan, who is based in Orakzai tribal agency in Pakistan.
Correction 13 February: A picture appeared in this article which was captioned as Mullah Abdul Rauf. We no longer believe that this was Rauf and have removed it. We apologise for any distress caused by the photograph, which was supplied to the BBC by the Afghan National Directorate of Security.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 17:49 utc | 121

Operation “Pinneaplle” – No Chance @ 13
Did you all hear of the animal rescue guy? I smell a rat…. line.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 17:51 utc | 122

Mina @Aug28 17:43 #116
Adding: your comment @Aug28 17:04 #91 provides important info.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 17:51 utc | 123

Question: What are the prospects of the Taliban deploying some S-400?
Only air space denial to NATO following 2021-08-31 will return sovereignty to the Afghani government and end the Pentagon drone warfare. Then the Taliban will have enough resources to focus on eliminating the CIA-backed terrorists.

Posted by: jaba | Aug 28 2021 17:57 utc | 124

JH @ 106
Rita Katz? Real world? Rita’s job is writing fiction.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Aug 28 2021 17:58 utc | 125

SAM:
God! Look at the date man: 9 February 2015. Twentyfokkin’fifteen. If you think that’s yesterday, you really are getting old. As is this group. Because it’s not new. Although you hadn’t heard of them.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 17:59 utc | 126

Taliban’s reaction to the “over the horizon” policing:

… the Taliban, who are now officially in control of Afghanistan, condemned the U.S. strike, saying they have arrested some suspects involved in the airport blast.
“The Americans should have informed us (Taliban) before conducting the air strike, it was a clear attack on Afghan territory,” a Taliban spokesman told Reuters.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 18:00 utc | 127

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 17:47 utc | 119
The rabbit knows the bar better, thanks.
Which air space did the fly through for the droning? if it ever took place, I can only think Pakistan which so far has stated it was not going to grant permission.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 28 2021 18:04 utc | 128

All I said was that ISIS-K miraciously appeared the last couple of days I said nothing about Khorasan or anything else, it seems to have disturbed you greatly especially when pointed out your great instant find does not use the term.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 18:07 utc | 129

This is the vehicle that the ISIS-K terrorists wer killed in. It is a Tuk-Tuk. A taxi cab used in India and Pakistan. Obviously this one has better armour than a James Bond Aston Martin. As you can see from the photo only the back was damaged and the front (with the built-in machine guns and smoke dispensers,) was relatively unscathed. The ejector seat was unused.
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In fact, the US may have used a newly introduced type of Anti-personnel bomb as can be seen from the shrapnel marks on the walls of the house.
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1431512519609290755/photo/1
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But as Jackrabbit and others have said, it is the precedent which is the important thing. After all, this long-distance bombing of the Taliban or whomever, probably was one of the aims of the US “retreat”. The other is having air superiority to allow clandestine operations, arms drops and drug running without the Taliban having the means to stop it.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 28 2021 18:10 utc | 130

Oldhippie @125:
Do you have a link to the site. If it’s still up and running, I mean.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 18:12 utc | 131

SwissArmyMan @129:
For christ sake. The ‘K’ is for ‘Khorasan’. And they did not “miraciously appear[…] the last couple of days”. They have been around for six or seven years. And blowing them selfs up in suicide attacks is their thing. So there’s nothing strange about the Kabul bombing. NOT a false flag. U understand?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 18:18 utc | 132

@ 99 paco… that thought had crossed my mind..

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2021 18:22 utc | 133

There is the crux of the disagreement it was and is a textbook
CIA false flag

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 18:25 utc | 134

The “terrorist” attack keeeps on giving.
As four American bombers [B-52 and B-2 Spirit] have arrived in the Persian Gulf.

According to military experts and political scientists, the upcoming air strikes will be carried out not only on the territory of Afghanistan, but also in Iraq and Syria. They [experts] suggest that initially the United States will attack certain Islamic State positions and positions, followed by an “individual hunt” of individuals associated with and involved in the Islamic State terrorist group.

(Quote from an usually reliable site.)

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 28 2021 18:30 utc | 135

Yes, textbook. As in ‘novel’ right?
The whole world, including the Taliban and ISIS-K them selves, claim ISIS-K did it. How did you come about this unike information? And do you realise you are probably a dead man for posting it if you are right?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 18:30 utc | 136

I’ve yet to read all the comments but I haven’t seen any reference to the video posted by Pepe Escobar at his VK space. Here’s his report:
“MUST WATCH
“If true, this is a MAJOR BOMBSHELL.
“This guy, Faisal, has a YT channel, Kabul Lovers, where he’s engaging in some first-class streetwise journalism, putting to shame virtually every TV network.
“He’s talking to a military officer who examined the bodies of many of the bombing victims at Kabul Emergency Hospital.
“He says most were not victims of the suicide bombing:
“ALL VICTIMS WERE KILLED BY AMERICAN BULLETS, EXCEPT MAYBE 20 PEOPLE OUT OF 100.
“It makes total sense. The soldiers freaked out – and started shooting anything that moved down in the sewer, American-style.
“The full, original report, in Dari, is here – he talks to a lot of people, by the hospital.”
Pepe has the “Kabul Lovers” 1:13 video posted at his site.
Hopefully, that will be the final Outlaw US Empire atrocity in Afghanistan. Biden’s forked tongue words will be compared to those of the survivors. One must ask if Biden was even told of the massacre.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 28 2021 18:33 utc | 137

I’m done I think the last word is well deserved in your case.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 18:34 utc | 138

I don’t know which link blocked my comment, but I suspect the one to VK. I’ll remove and repost.
I’ve yet to read all the comments but I haven’t seen any reference to the video posted by Pepe Escobar at his VK space. Here’s his report:
“MUST WATCH
“If true, this is a MAJOR BOMBSHELL.
“This guy, Faisal, has a YT channel, Kabul Lovers, where he’s engaging in some first-class streetwise journalism, putting to shame virtually every TV network.
“He’s talking to a military officer who examined the bodies of many of the bombing victims at Kabul Emergency Hospital.
“He says most were not victims of the suicide bombing:
“ALL VICTIMS WERE KILLED BY AMERICAN BULLETS, EXCEPT MAYBE 20 PEOPLE OUT OF 100.
“It makes total sense. The soldiers freaked out – and started shooting anything that moved down in the sewer, American-style.
“The full, original report, in Dari, is here – he talks to a lot of people, by the hospital.”
Pepe has the “Kabul Lovers” 1:13 video posted at his site.
Hopefully, that will be the final Outlaw US Empire atrocity in Afghanistan. Biden’s forked tongue words will be compared to those of the survivors. One must ask if Biden was even told of the massacre.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 28 2021 18:36 utc | 139

How long is Asha K. going to be able to spout utter nonsense at MOA? Again. And Again. And trying to put in a comment challenging his crap is really a pain in the ass, b.

Posted by: TominAZ | Aug 28 2021 18:39 utc | 140

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 17:42 utc | 115
Khorasan is not an old name for Afghanistan. It is the eastern province of Iran, and did once extend into northwest Afghanistan, but not the rest. ISIS is recalling the early caliphate when the name extended over the river into the stans, but still not Afghanistan.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 28 2021 18:40 utc | 141

where else is IS? Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Burkina Fasso, Cameroun, Mozambique, I forget some recent ones in Central Africa. Attacks are every day but hardly reported except in local media and on the Francophone RFI.
The next place of deployment of the US armies… in agreement with the French and the EU.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2021 18:40 utc | 142

My 2 cent is that Khorasan, based in WEST Aleppo, started as an off shoot of Jabat al Nusra, which was originally 100% Sunni and Lebanese, and existed pre war against Syria (they did a few bombings in lebanon). They were then conveniently rebranded IS/Qaeda.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2021 18:43 utc | 143

Stonebird @135:
Those are strategic bombers. Won’t be much use against a terrorist organisation that operates more or less underground. ISIS simply doesn’t have the camps to bomb anymore.
Grand standing for the home audience, or something more worrysome?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 18:44 utc | 144

Turkey and Qatar will be jointly managing Kabul airport after an agreement with the Taliban. On the face of it it seems strange that the Taliban would agree to such a deal but I wasn’t aware of the links of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban stretching back decades:

Last March, Ankara announced its desire to resume diplomatic relations with Cairo. Following that announcement, the Muslim Brotherhood’s political and PR arm, which operated out of Turkey, found itself forced to shut down. It became difficult, if not impossible, to maintain its everyday activities from the country.
Shortly thereafter, the Brotherhood’s leadership made a decision to stop and search for an alternative home base from which to operate. The group’s former secretary general, Mahmoud Hussein, spearheaded the effort and proposed the United Kingdom, where he resides. Other countries that came up were Canada, the Netherlands and Malaysia. But then, a new and surprising candidate came up: Afghanistan! The group of individuals within the Brotherhood who proposed this idea are those who were involved with humanitarian relief efforts in Afghanistan during the Soviet–Afghan War.
According to several reports, Ibrahim Munir, the secretary general of the Muslim Brotherhood, did not oppose the idea, but he requested further consultations with the leaders of the international organization, Taliban officials and the Turkish government. It is well known that the leadership of the Taliban, especially at this time, maintains close ties with the Brotherhood. Indeed, the Brotherhood’s organizational presence is long-standing in Afghanistan. The Brotherhood’s interest in Afghanistan has ancient roots. The movement established several chapters there, especially during the era of Sayyid Qutb.
Afghanistan, with its rugged mountain landscape and its numerous militia forces, is a prime location for the Brotherhood’s headquarters. Not only those who fled Egypt, but also those who came from other parts of the Arab world, including Saudi Arabia and the Gulf. With the protection and auspices of the Taliban, the Brotherhood has all the conditions it needs to thrive in Afghanistan.
Only time will tell if the movement pursues this option, but it’s surely worth keeping an eye on what happens in this post-Turkey era of the Brotherhood.

Pushing the Brotherhood Away … To Afghanistan

Posted by: Down South | Aug 28 2021 18:45 utc | 145

Laguerre @140:
I know. The quote is from a BBC article. I didn’t write it. When I said earlier that ISIS doesn’t use the same maps as we do, that’s what I meant; they don’t recognize the same borders.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 18:48 utc | 146

@70. OMG go away. POS.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 28 2021 18:50 utc | 147

Further to my post above is this interesting article by the former Moroccan Ambassador to the UAE

Political Islam plays a significant role in the American strategy dealing with MENA issues, which is based on crisis management, rather than crisis resolution, while controlling the region’s future.
This is evident in Washington’s stances towards various branches of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is true that it was not able to protect some of these branches, but it never gave in to the pressure to designate the group as a terrorist organization.
American diplomats may justify this direction by pointing to the absence of any practical and tangible evidence of the involvement of the group or some of its branches in terrorist operations. They would also argue that such designation will be problematic for Washington in the region, where some MB branches are allied with the regimes in Pakistan, Turkey and Qatar and other branches are somehow sharing power, such as in Morocco and until recently in Tunisia.
However, a European diplomat specialized in MB affairs assured me that Western powers still view the group as a tool to stop the nationalist and leftist tide in the Arab world, and that American intelligence is not naive to lose an inexhaustible source of information and severe ties with a group that has hundreds of commercial, financial, social and educational institutions across the world.
He added, with a grin that is sly rather than sarcastic, that he would not be surprised if MB hordes began to migrate to Kabul in search for a shelter under the Taliban.

Will the Taliban Provide a Hub for Muslim Brotherhood?

Posted by: Down South | Aug 28 2021 18:57 utc | 148

Does the story about civilians being shot after the explosion only exist on Twitter? I saw it on RT, along with the tweet that has the video tagged as being from the BBC. Doing a search on Google and Duckduckgo doesn’t bring up anything other than the tweet. There’s also reference to the Pentagon not responding to a BBC request for info but, again, nothing except the tweet. Search results yield nothing.

Posted by: Woogs | Aug 28 2021 19:06 utc | 149

Update: Pentagon Refuses To Release Names Of Two “High Profile ISIS Planners” Killed In Drone Strike
Can’t release any names makes it too easy to prove the big lie, why even waste time with an actual strike

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 19:07 utc | 150

I’m sure ISIS K worked closely with ISIS DC on this one. The US has more than one scorpion in their pocket.
“It is not possible to put terrorism in your pocket and use it as a card because it is like a scorpion which won’t hesitate to sting you at the first opportunity.” President Bashar al-Assad Syria

Posted by: Tom | Aug 28 2021 19:09 utc | 151

US not involved in the bombing because ISIS claimed responsibility? The ISIS announcement was made via Amaq, the ISIS ‘news, organisation. A site that is easily accessible to the media. When they were in full swing in Syria I had the Amaq site book marked. It was hosted by a California company on a server in Hong Kong. Amaq I think, is no different to white helmets. Terrorists must have their media organisation if we are to whole heartedly support the war of terror.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 19:13 utc | 152

This witness says the shooting came from above: https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1431572890521120770
came ALL from above, meaning no firefight with people on the ground. This can be verified. Who was in the towers and whose interests were they serving. I consider the CIA (at least those on the ground)capable of anything so I wouldn’t exclude them getting back at Biden while serving their own agenda.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 28 2021 19:19 utc | 153

I mean, it can be verified on the dead bodies. Bullet holes all pointing down.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 28 2021 19:24 utc | 154

Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 18:44 utc | 143
Curious to use heavy bombers in Afghanistan, isn’t it? However, they were planned for (I think) at the start of the pullout from Bagram. The second bit – about the extension of bombing runs into Syria and Iraq is also dangerous. As the Russians are getting nervous about US action in Syria. (US F-16 or 15’s took out a claimed-to-be Iranian drone over Syrian held territory (Near an Oil field), and the Russians possibly made a friendly fire mistake on Syrians who had failed to notify them beforehand (Near Raqqa).
The extension of US aggro in this part of the ME would be to support the Israeli angle of making as much trouble as possible. (Yemen, as well)
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Back to the Afghan area, The Tajikstan forces are now suppling the Pajshir lot. Mainly by helicopter and only with small arms, ammunition (etc) and food. But that is another upcoming problem if no negotiated solution is found.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 28 2021 19:28 utc | 155

“I warned some 8 years ago that Maidan Ukraine was the general rehearsal for a future fascist Europe…and here we go…” – Asha K. @ 29
That’s really interesting.
As a new student of ideology and sw project manager it took 2 months to be sure of that.
So what about the rest of you? And when did you become convinced?
Also, whose or what criteria do you use?
I decided there had to be laws on the books to absolutely prove it.
My examples are US ag laws and Israeli citizenship.
Many could apply tho. Gitmo anyone?
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And for the record, and with my compliments, you folks don’t need a social media debate tool.
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Finally, my condolences to the families of all countries whose lost loved ones. I simply want to understand.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 19:38 utc | 156

@Tuyzentfloot | Aug 28 2021 19:19 utc | 152
Thank you! This appears to be evidence of war crimes..

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 28 2021 19:38 utc | 157

As government rather than guerrilla fighters, Taliban will now be easy targets. In the coming airstrikes on ‘ISIS-K’ once American troops are out, I suspect a number of Taliban officials will get hit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 19:39 utc | 158

All these comments about toxic offshoots of Islam, and not one mention of the empire’s favorite ally, Saudi Arabia, who openly teaches them all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

Posted by: vetinLA | Aug 28 2021 19:42 utc | 159

@157 I was thinking the same thing. The Taliban leaders are going to have to be very careful.

Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2021 19:42 utc | 160

The truth is often brutal. What a brutal complete condemnation sir.
gottlieb | Aug 28 2021 14:10 utc | 42

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 19:47 utc | 161

Barflies need to understand that the Outlaw US Empire has in its possession an affiliate known generically as its Terrorist Foreign Legion, which has existed for many years going back to the raising of its initial cadres from the remnants of Nazi Germany, who were then sent into Eastern Europe to terrorize and destabilize. The next contingent were raised in Korea before the Korean War. They were followed by those raised in Latin America in the late 1940s, first in Guatemala and Cuba. The continual raising of new cadres proceeded as the Outlaw US Empire expanded as its Anti-Communist Crusade escalated, a Crusade where any means no matter how bloody justified the ends as Brezhenski confessed regarding the formation of al-Qaeda in 1979. The British helped in this exercise since it had lots of previous expertise in Southwest and South Asia and Africa since it used such forces to maintain its Colonies.
There was an article published a week prior to 911 that’s since been scrubbed from existence that’s very similar to this one by Giraldi I linked a few days ago: “Here Come the Terrorists. Again.” The Terrorist Foreign Legion thus works for the Empire in two ways: As an enemy; and as an ally, but mostly as an ally as we’ve seen in Latin America and Southeast Asia–although the latter were defeated in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, while those in Malaysia and Indonesia (Obama’s father!!) presumably still exist as very deeply hidden cells awaiting to hear their master’s voice.
The Terrorist Foreign Legion will exist until its master the Outlaw US Empire is defeated, retreats to its borders and its ability to fund the Legion evaporates, although Gladio will likely remain in NATO nations. Until that time comes, the best way to deter the Legion’s recruiting is by eliminating extremist ideologies and their messengers, and eliminating the socio-economic hopelessness in which such extremism can find root. The SCO and CSTO nations know that methodology, and thus we learn one of the main reasons why the BRI and EAEU ideals are so vehemently opposed by the Outlaw US Empire–they’re the vehicle that will deprive the Legion from getting the recruits it needs to operate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 28 2021 19:49 utc | 162

Posted by: Down South | Aug 28 2021 18:57 utc | 147
I agree, it is a very interesting development if Taliban has connections to Muslim Bros.
It would explain Gulf Autocrat worries about them. Who was that aide of Hillary’s who had MB connections and a leaky laptop?

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 28 2021 19:53 utc | 163

Sometimes life can be disappointing – and for some life can be regularly disappointing.
Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 28 2021 14:14 utc | 43
Your writing returns the humanity of the individual to the conversation. The lived experience if you like. Tx.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 19:53 utc | 164

@156 I now see Bernhard had already posted it on his twitter account.
I only have two hypothesis at the moment: the competence track (let’ maidanize this) and the incompetence track(we’re pulling out let’s give the job in the hands of the most dispensible but unpredictable idiots).

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 28 2021 19:54 utc | 165

@Bemildred | Aug 28 2021 19:53 utc | 162

Who was that aide of Hillary’s who had MB connections and a leaky laptop?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 28 2021 20:02 utc | 166

ref the fake bbc report on twitter:
Qatari PR can make marvels, look at the Taliban cena on AJE, or the tweet of their embedded female journalist explaining how safe it is around
Syria redux
Qatar was offered a new MB toy to play with, so that Sultan Erdo does not go amok on its own

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2021 20:04 utc | 167

“The reported drone strike in Eastern Afghanistan to get the planner is probably just a placebo to sooth the conscience of Americans. I doubt if it ever happened. What do we have to go on? The honest reporting of the press from informed sources in the Pentagram?
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 14:58 utc | 49
Gosh… I’ve forgotten his name.
I hope you all are also amused or abused that one of my online personas is that terrorist leader that blew himself and kids up in that cave to avoid capture.
Thus killing him for the fifth time….
I guess…
Don’t believe it.
You will never kill me!!!
I LIVE!
MooooWaaa hahahahaha!

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 20:05 utc | 168

Wut? Why yes. I do use him for a profile pic. He’s better looking than I am.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 20:08 utc | 169

TPosted by: Norwegian | Aug 28 2021 11:14 utc | 18
Indeed. There is no way a “suicide bomber” with a bomb vest alone killed almost 200 people, even in a crowded place. There is more to the story.

T
Bomb vest explosions do not result in bullet wounds to the back of the victim’s head.
The fact of a “back of the head” wound suggests the victim was attempting to flee or escape from something he sought to leave behind him such as chaos resulting from an explosion.
It would have been unlikely he held a weapon and pointed it toward the source of the fired bullet.
An analysis of the bullet would would establish trajectory and pinpoint the position of the weapon which fired the round. It is suspected such an analysis would indicate fire from an elevation such as a watchtower, or other elevated position along an exterior wall.
For this reason no such trajectory analysis will ever be performed.
A further surmise may be drawn from the fact that an explosion occurring in the centre of a packed mass of people will result in the persons immediately surrounding the blast point absorbing most of the blast effects. This is similar to the action of a soldier who throws himself upon a grenade in order to save the lives of his comrades.
The force of the explosion would vent up from the mass of persons, those persons in the immediate circle around the point of explosion would die and injury effects would decline as one moves radially out from the explosion centre. The human mass in proximity to the explosion would shield those further away from explosive blast effects.
It is difficult to understand how an explosive vest triggered in these circumstances resulted in 170 fatalities.
As always, when Americans are concerned, there is more to this story.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 28 2021 20:10 utc | 170

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 28 2021 20:02 utc | 165
Yes, that is the one, thanks.
This article by Finian Cunningham I at first did not think much of, but maybe he is onto something:
error Attacks in Kabul Suspiciously on Cue… Who Gains?

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 28 2021 20:18 utc | 171

Link to photo of the guard tower at the gate. (tried putting the link in HTML but in preview was not working)
https://www.forces.net/sites/default/files/styles/cover_image/public/Kabul%20airport%20attack%20-%20explosion%20site%20near%20the%20Kabul%20airport%20in%20Afghanistan%20270821%20CREDIT%20XINHUA%2C% 20ALAMY%20STOCK%20PHOTO.jpg?itok=aQRxn1EQ

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 20:20 utc | 172

Re 171 copy and past the entire link to the address bar.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 20:21 utc | 173

Interesting, if Pentagon do not respond to BBC.
If it was a inside job with some conjunctions to USA administration, so it is still likely that the organizer is from private sector,. And that he has good connections to Afghanistan’s security and mercenaries.
Maybe a company, which benefits when the number of refugees increases to millions.
https://www.businessinsider.com/erik-prince-charge-6500-for-flight-seat-out-of-kabul-2021-8

Posted by: Mikkael | Aug 28 2021 20:23 utc | 174

Sangar | سنګر پیکار @paykhar – 11:02 UTC · Aug 28, 2021
“Most victims of #KabulAirportBlast were not killed by the blast but by bullets fired at them by the Americans.”
Faisal of Kabul Lovers channel interviewed aid workers at Emergency Hospital in #Kabul and this is what they have to say:
video

“All victims were killed by American bullets except maybe 20 people out of 100.” Must have looked like the famous scene from Rules of Engagement.

Posted by: S | Aug 28 2021 20:25 utc | 176


‘CIA tweets CIA interview with CIA’

Viewers react to suddenly-released ‘eerily prophetic’ CNN interview with ISIS-K commander
An ISIS-K commander speaks to CNN’s Clarissa Ward with his identity obscured
CNN’s airing of an interview with an ISIS-K commander left observers to wonder how the media outlet gained access to the terrorist leader – and protected his identity – two weeks before his group killed nearly 200 people.
https://www.rt.com/usa/533353-cnn-airs-isis-k-interview/

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 28 2021 20:30 utc | 177

@Bemildred | Aug 28 2021 20:18 utc | 170
Obviously I have no detailed knowledge, but Taliban working for the CIA? I don’t think so.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 28 2021 20:41 utc | 178

Another, indirect corroboration of the story by a “journalist” writing for Politico:

Lara Seligman @laraseligman – 14:34 UTC · Aug 26, 2021
JUST IN: Three sources confirm US casualties. US forces returned fire after first explosion.
@AndrewDesiderio @alexbward

Of course, as commenters rightly point out, one doesn’t “return fire” on a suicide explosion.

Posted by: S | Aug 28 2021 20:42 utc | 179

@ karlof1 138
I’ve yet to read all the comments
re: most casualties by gunshot
yes.. .check out my 101

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 20:56 utc | 180

@S | Aug 28 2021 20:25 utc | 175

“All victims were killed by American bullets except maybe 20 people out of 100.” Must have looked like the famous scene from Rules of Engagement.

Yes, and also the scenes from Apocalypse Now comes to mind.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 28 2021 20:58 utc | 181

Are there instances or rules where one preemptively returns fire at what appears to be an AK47 in a crowd and a gunshot is heard coming from somewhere?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 28 2021 21:12 utc | 182

Another possible pipeline for ISIS-K into Afghanistan…
350 diplomatic flights carry weapons for terrorists

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 21:15 utc | 183

“Are there instances or rules where one preemptively returns fire at what appears to be an AK47 in a crowd and a gunshot is heard coming from somewhere?”
Like a camera being a shoulder fired rocket or missile as in collateral murder, or perhaps a car backfiring sounding like a gunshot as in US contractors mowing down civilians in Iraq?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 21:15 utc | 184

Russian Security Council permanent members only met with Putin yesterday about the entire Afghan situation but very little additional info was provided. This TASS item only adds the Afghan issue will be at the top of the SCO and CSTO Summits in Dushanbe. Sputnik picked up the BBC story on the shooting aftermath:
“US Troops May Have Accidentally Gunned Down Civilians During Kabul Airport Attack, Eyewitnesses Say.”
Unfortunately, it appears few have read it. At least the truth is being provided by some major media.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 28 2021 21:18 utc | 185

“Which it mostly is, having to lie is a faliure of propaganda, because you risk getting caught… lying.)
by: Jörgen Hassler @ 53
I also had an extremely strict rule to never lie.
Of course this still allowed me to lie my face off using selective factoids, stats and mountains of crap posts. Lies just mean that you are not competent and draw attention as you said.
People are essentially talking to themselves on social media, which I did. Twitter was getting like 2B tweets. Look at YouTube as well. I used it for a project notebook. Lol.
I was studying the algorithms. Basically I asserted a properly designed bot or analyst using a simple set of rules would arrive at the goal. So an algorithm designed running against Twitter’s ones.
And here I am. Beep.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 21:18 utc | 186

“[How did you calculate those odds? Do you like Monthy Python? Could you explain why I’m in such a bad mood today?]
Jörgen Hassler @ 57
“Damn it! I paid for an argument!”
“No you didn’t…”

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 21:22 utc | 187

One of the MSM pieces I ran onto yesterday had hi def sat pics of the airport. It showed the security prior to the gate were the bombing took place. Containers had been put in place in the ally or walled road so people were channel through single file as they were checked. From what I have read, taliban were responsible for security outside the airport and as it was the Taliban that warnbed the americans, they would have been looking out for bombs and suicide vests.
I think somebody in the previous thread mentioned CIA flying people into the hotel opposite the gate. Somehow, the bomber got past Taliban security and the best way I see of doing that is to have Americans or Brits take the bomber or the bomb into the secure area.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 21:25 utc | 188

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 18:00 utc | 127
Taliban’s reaction to the “over the horizon” policing
Then there is this:
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1431670973179351043

Posted by: jinn | Aug 28 2021 21:27 utc | 189

People really need to stop trying to work up an explanation for ISIS (in any of its various incarnations) that encompasses it arising organically.
Uighurs, Chechens, Indonesians, Somalis… what do they have in common? Islam? The interpretations of that religion differ in all of those places just as Christianity does. The groups from different areas don’t even talk to each other.
There is no ISIS. They are just street thugs, petty criminals, and outcasts from around the world. They are recruited, paid a stipend, given transport that they would never have been able to manage on their own to parts of the world they never even knew existed and, finally, given the opportunity to shine and rise up to be world class mega-scum. That last is pretty appealing for people who previously only ever aspired to be the biggest scumbag in their little neighborhoods.
Islam is just a decoration that is pasted on these groups. That is why I prefer to refer to them by the more generic term “death squads”. At the end of the day they are no different from death squads anywhere else that the empire recruits to terrorize local populations, whether that is in Syria, Honduras, or Ukraine. They are all just societal scrap, refuse, pulled together by agents of the empire and provided a glorified artificial identity to make them feel powerful. If you really want to know about the ideology of these groups (ISIS in this case) then you are best off asking the narrative spinners at the New York Langley Times and elsewhere in the Operation Mockingbird mass media as they are the ones crafting the awe inspiring identity for the empire’s death squads to cloak themselves with.
The way of looking at ISIS provided by karlof1 above @161 is very useful as it clarifies a great deal about ISIS. Look at their function and not the identity politics decorations. Thinking of ISIS as the Imperial Terrorist Foreign Legions gives one a much more accurate model to work with in analyzing these death squads` actions and capabilities.
And speaking of capabilities, without a nearby airbase or a reliable land route to an airbase that they can operate from the CIA will not be able to command and supply their death squads in Afghanistan. The CIA relies completely upon air supremacy and air freight. Their whole operational model is based around being able to fly what they want to wherever they want and whenever they want to.
(Aside: It would probably surprise many to know how much of what the CIA does is air freight that bypasses customs, even in Europe where people like to imagine the rule of law applies. The CIA doesn’t grow the poppies and process them into heroine in Afghanistan; nor do they “recruit” the child sex slaves from the Philippines or Ukraine; nor do they manufacture AK-47s and RPGs; they just transport those “products” to where they will fetch a hefty profit… they are champions of capitalism and “free trade”, after all)
The CIA is facing a “use-them-or-lose-them” moment with their death squad legions in Afghanistan. They dragged their feet setting up their ratlines, and now unless the empire can twist Pakistan’s arm into allowing regular overflights then it is game over for them. CIA death squads cannot live off the land like communist guerrillas. They need constant external support.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 28 2021 21:40 utc | 190

@peter AU1, yes. Something like that.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 28 2021 21:45 utc | 191

Mina @141 Don’t forget the Egyptian variant of ISIS, which appeared just after Russia stepped in, in 2015, to help Syria fight off the terrorists who controlled so much of their country.
ISIS in Egypt appeared in time to blow up a Russian civilian airliner, killing hundreds of Russians, including children.
Then they receded into the Nile, or something, never to be heard from again.
Until, of course, they are needed to further the aims of US imperialism again. Then they will reappear to do some more killing and people will say “They’ve been around since 2015, where have you been?”

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 28 2021 21:45 utc | 192

wagelaborer @Aug28 21:45 #191
Yes, I missed that (downing of Russian airliner) in my comment @Aug28 16:20 #68.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 21:52 utc | 193

More details emerge of the shooting subsequent to the explosion of suicide vest:
https://sputniknews.com/asia/202108281083741290-us-troops-may-have-accidentally-gunned-down-civilians-during-kabul-airport-attack-eyewitnesses-say/

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 28 2021 22:01 utc | 194

Jörgen Hassler #44

The US just made their own worst night mare come true.

Yes they did, and immediately they have a hero to celebrate in the form of Major Jim Gant.

“I have been involved in some of the most incredible missions and operations that a special forces guy could be a part of, and I have never been a part of anything more incredible than this,” retired Army Major Jim Gant, another former Green Beret who been working with Task Force Pineapple, also said. “The bravery and courage and commitment of my brothers and sisters in the Pineapple community was greater than the U.S. commitment on the battlefield.”
Gant is a near-legendary, if controversial former Green Beret who became known as the “Lawrence of Afghanistan” before being forced into retirement in 2014 after an affair with a Washington Post reporter.

There it is from hero ‘Lawrence’ to disgrace and then to sainthood. Hero casting the green berets or whatever. So schmaltz so expected.
I also picked up that there were two guard forces on that wall: USA and their colleagues from the Afghanistan Special Forces (or something like that).
Here is the story at the Drive warzone and if you can stomach it, the embedded video is worth a watch. Hollywood here we come. I can see this guy being paraded at major footy games for a year or two.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 28 2021 22:01 utc | 195

LOL! Yankees were warned two days ahead of the suicide bomb attack, and Yankees knew nothing nor no where to guard against the threat from occurring. One day after the attack, Yankees knew precisely where oh where to wipe out the target. Bravo!!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 28 2021 22:04 utc | 196

William Gruff @189 Yes. The death squads are always the same, whether they are called ISIS or Contras or Mexican drug lords, vicious men given training, weapons and license to act out the worst of human depravity in the service of the Empire.
The book Devil’s Game, by Robert Dreyfuss, details how the US stepped in to support Islamic fundamentalists (a project the UK started) in the 50s. They were used to oppose Arab nationalism.
Sybil Edmunds did a great series on Gladio 2, how the US used Islamic terrorism, including the Grey Wolves, in the 90s to make sure that the MIC didn’t lose funding after the destruction of the USSR.
John Stockwell gave a speech in 1986 detailing his work in Vietnam and Angola, pointing out that the death squads in El Salvador and Nicaragua were following the same playbook as the US used in those other countries.
http://ncoic.com/ciawars.htm

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 28 2021 22:08 utc | 197

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 21:15 utc | 183
“Are there instances or rules where one preemptively returns fire at what appears to be an AK47 in a crowd and a gunshot is heard coming from somewhere?”

In the event a camera is visible the rules of engagement demand a response by helicopters armed with 20mm automatic cannon with exploding shells.
In the event a public report is made, the rules of engagement demand prosecution on false charges, followed by extradition, followed by incarceration under inhuman conditions such as found in Belmarsh Prison, followed by the death of the alleged suspect. These responses not necessarily in this exact order.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 28 2021 22:12 utc | 198

Jackrabbit #102

“Circe” is a troll. His political and ideological leanings are not what they seem.
PS Despite the female moniker, the commenter is not a women.

Thank you and correct in every respect:
“women” 👰‍♀️ plural yes Circe possesses multiple genders, perhaps three.
Troll 👺 yes always wingeing under the bridge
NOTE there are no complaints and squealing about long URL problems since she/they dumped the iPhone and bought 🆕 Huawei.
Note she/they/he turned up on THIS thread for a story that needs maximum distraction lest we see through (yawn) the buggerup/deception.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 28 2021 22:27 utc | 199

Jibril #176

‘CIA tweets CIA interview with CIA’
Viewers react to suddenly-released ‘eerily prophetic’ CNN interview with ISIS-K commander
An ISIS-K commander speaks to CNN’s Clarissa Ward with his identity obscured
CNN’s airing of an interview with an ISIS-K commander left observers to wonder how the media outlet gained access to the terrorist leader – and protected his identity – two weeks before his group killed nearly 200 people.
https://www.rt.com/usa/533353-cnn-airs-isis-k-interview/

Perfect. Loved it. they have their head so far up their rs they have no idea how we outside see the daylight.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 28 2021 22:32 utc | 200