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August 28, 2021

The Never Ending Lies About The War On Afghanistan

The U.S. military has lied for 20 years about the war in Afghanistan. Do not expect it to suddenly tell the truth.

Thursday's suicide bombing in Kabul and the following panic killed more than 150 civilians (some 30 of whom were British-Afghan), 28 Taliban fighters and 13 U.S. troops.

Before the attack happened a Taliban spokesperson had told RT that they had warned the U.S. of an imminent ISPK attack.

Repeating Pentagon claims the New York Times describes the attack:

At 5:48 p.m., the bomber, wearing a 25-pound explosive vest under clothing, walked up to the group of Americans who were frisking people hoping to enter the complex. He waited, officials said, until just before he was about to be searched by the American troops. And then he detonated the bomb, which was unusually large for a suicide vest, killing himself and igniting an attack that would leave dozens of people dead, including 13 American service members.

If the suicide bomber was so close to the inner perimeter checkpoint manned by U.S. forces why were so many Taliban, who manned checkpoints at the outer perimeter, killed in the incident?

The Times writes:

Just after the bomb went off, Defense Department officials said, fighters nearby began firing weapons. The officials said that some of the Americans and Afghans at Abbey Gate might have been hit by that gunfire.

What fighters nearby?

The BBC correspondent in Kabul has asked people who where there:

Secunder Kermani @SecKermani - 7:21 UTC · Aug 28, 2021

Our report from last night on the awful ISIS attack outside Kabul airport as families still search Kabul's morgues for their loved ones..
Many we spoke to, including eyewitnesses, said significant numbers of those killed were shot dead by US forces in the panic after the blast
Embedded video

The correspondent talks to the brother a London taxi driver who was in Kabul to fetch his family:

A: "Somehow I saw American soldiers, Turkish soldiers and the fire was coming from the bridges, from the towers."
Q: "From the soldiers?"
A: "Yeah, from the soldiers."

(Side note: Some of the towers around the airport were reportedly manned by members of the CIA's Afghan death squads.)

Another witness:

Narrator: "Noor Mohamed had been deployed alongside American forces."

A man holding up an identity card of a friend talks about his death in English.

A: "The guy has served U.S. army for years. And the reason he lost his life - he wasn't killed by Taliban, he wasn't killed by ISIS, he was (unintelligible)."
Q: "How can you be sure?"
A: "Because of the bullet. The bullet went inside of his head. Right here." (Points to the back of his head.) "He doesn't have any (other) injury."

The Pentagon did not respond to the BBC's request for comments.

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So cold blooded and clever even our rubes....I mean troops don't understand this is really like making the selections at the railhead in Auschwitz level stuff they're doing. Our leaders should be airdropped into the thick of shit like this. It's disgusting. The president, like the rest of us, are held hostage by.....what? The golem? The schlimeol? The schlemozel? Orcs. Guilty conscience? The US has been running scared ever sent they used Japan to send a message to Russia. Or Nathan's at Coney Island to bomb Syria to send a message to Iran. They always promise transparent administrations. The press focuses on stuff that isn't what we all plainly see. It's really an insult to adults everywhere. The loathsome spawn of the rich given fake prom ... oops presidential elections and popularity contests by parents so rich and bored they accept the idea that there isn't really anything their inbred jed children could fuck up.

Posted by: Bo Robinson | Aug 28 2021 9:35 utc | 1

Coincidence, chance or necessity?
Just-in-time for the blowing was a "Rogue Team of Retired US Vets Rescue [on] Secret Missions"


The operation started about a week ago and was called “pineapple express.” Team members used images of pineapples on their phones to communicate who they were and would usually smuggle people into the airfield in the dead of night.

[...]

They had been operating until Thursday morning, when some of their team were among those injured in the suicide bombing near the airport that killed over 180, including 13 US Military members.

According to New York Post: ABC said some Pineapple Express travelers were injured in the terror attack, and the group was still assessing whether any were among the more than 180 killed.


News lies or cover-up?

Posted by: NoChance | Aug 28 2021 9:39 utc | 2

It will be interesting to see how the bbc rolls back that little story. What a total tragedy and all the USA doing by appearances. The next few days will get more interesting it seems.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 28 2021 9:41 utc | 3

I've been monitoring the Indian news media more or less 24x7 for the last 2 weeks.

If you think Western Media is saturated with propaganda I'd recommend you spend a few hours sampling the plethora of Indian news outlets on Youtube.

It's like a sick version of the Onion with all the absurdity and none of the humour.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 28 2021 9:46 utc | 4

Apologies, I forgot the context in the #4:

*Specifically regarding the Panjshir resistance, Kabul Airport bombing and other Taliban related news*

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 28 2021 9:47 utc | 5

NoChance #2

Thank you for the pineapple express story. I am not sure what to make of it other than consider the possibility that it was this very rogue team that led ISIS-K to carry out the attack on that specific gate.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 28 2021 9:50 utc | 6

It seems unlikely that IsisK would have troops at a heavily-armed airport gate when they already had a suicide bomber.

Posted by: Sam F | Aug 28 2021 10:04 utc | 7

There are witnesses that US forces opened fire on the crowd after the bombing, which is why there are at least 170 killed civilians and growing. There are also people saying at least 20 british-afghans were killed.

Posted by: Passer by | Aug 28 2021 10:27 utc | 8

BBC:

Our report from last night on the awful ISIS attack outside Kabul airport as families still search Kabul's morgues for their loved ones..

Many we spoke to, including eyewitnesses, said significant numbers of those killed were shot dead by US forces in the panic after the blast

https://twitter.com/SecKermani/status/1431517279859224579

Posted by: Passer by | Aug 28 2021 10:29 utc | 9

25- 30 British national mainly British Afghan were killed in Thursday horrific kabul airprot bombing .
They were dual British -Afghan that why they are not in UK news at all ??
A 60 years old Neighbour of mine from Barnet and his grand son also among the victims .

https://twitter.com/Samiyousafzai/status/1431493940864245767

Posted by: Passer by | Aug 28 2021 10:32 utc | 10

And then there was the US drone strike that allegedly killed an alleged planner for the alleged group allegedly known as ISIS-KP. The only known fact about this incident is that a US drone was over eastern Afghanistan, well away from Kabul. What was it even doing there. Will the drone attacks of Afghan parties and weddings cease? I doubt it

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 28 2021 10:39 utc | 11

#4

Oh yes, thank you for noticing the gutter-level operations of the Indian media.. Such a great nation, betrayed by its elite, a huge underclass yet to come out of darkness..

Posted by: R | Aug 28 2021 10:45 utc | 12

In a tragic coincidence, Tass reports that there were 13 deaths at that explosion on the military base in Kazakhstan (like the 13 dead US troops).

https://tass.com/emergencies/1331283

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 28 2021 10:46 utc | 14

Sam F #7

It seems unlikely that IsisK would have troops at a heavily-armed airport gate when they already had a suicide bomber.

ISIS-K didn't need any troops - just one suicide bomber and a chance that there would be an additional trigger happy response from the airport security. They may have been unhappy with the pineapple team snatching prey from under their noses. Whatever, there is a remote chance that the incident is unconnected.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 28 2021 10:51 utc | 15

From Col.Lang's site:

https://turcopolier.com/us-special-operations-vets-carry-out-daring-mission-to-save-afghan-allies-ttg/

Posted by: morongobill | Aug 28 2021 11:00 utc | 16

After it is announced today that the US killed the leader of ISKP by drone strike, no one in the mass-media questions how it is possible that the Pentagon knew about the lair of the "Islamic State" and would not have attacked before if the "planning" of the Kabul attack "started" from there, which the CIA previously warned....

We are taken for idiots and sheep...as the whole pandemic is proving...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 11:14 utc | 17

Indeed. There is no way a "suicide bomber" with a bomb west alone killed almost 200 people, even in a crowded place. There is more to the story.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 28 2021 11:14 utc | 18

@Posted by: morongobill | Aug 28 2021 11:00 utc | 16

Trying to paint that operation, which constitutes due dutty, as heroic, when the US enjoys free pasage b ythe Talbian authoritirs to evacuate thorugh 1st Septemebr, is an intend to whitewash pentagon and its dismayal performance during all the war on Afghanistan and current withdrawal...

All those exotic name on "expressos" form part of the legend and fairy tales invented by Pentagon to keep ùmping the money pipe for astronomically expensuve adventures and draines of US people´s wealth to the MICIMAT

These "special assets" have been quietly and without hurry and crowds molesting being evacuated from minute one from another location different fron Kabul airport, which only serves for publicity against Taliban new government, including last day carnage...

The "people of interest" have already been evacuated to the US with all their equipment..as the image posted by other commenter in the previous thread demonstrates, there are them, your classic CIA operators, in clean clothes and just out of the shower at luxurious hotel or companie´s home, talking full relaxed, as if they were in airport coffe shop, waiting for their safe airlift with their heavy backpacks..

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 11:24 utc | 19

The suicide bombing and the ensuing "panic" during which US troops shot dead other Americans, Afghans and citizens of other nations alike sound suspiciously similar to incidents that occurred in Kiev in mid-February 2014 when snipers started shooting into crowds on the Maidan, in Las Vegas in 2017 and in Dar'aa in Syria in 2011. In these incidents, hidden gunmen took advantage of an earlier incident (mass protests, a country music festival or a protest against rises in food prices) to fire on people.

The massacre of pro-federation demonstrators in Odessa in May 2014, ostensibly by soccer hooligans who herded the demonstrators into the trade union building where the soccer thugs then proceeded to torture, kill and mutilate their victims, and tried to hide evidence of their horrors by setting the building on fire, comes to mind as well.

It seems that what these incidents have in common is that at some point during the time the incident is playing out, someone or several people stage other crimes that either (a) cover over and disguise the original crimes, or (b) transform the incident into something it was never intended to be. Either way, there are hidden puppet-masters directing and manipulating people involved.

Color Revolutions spring to mind as well.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 28 2021 11:27 utc | 20

RE: Posted by: Bo Robinson | Aug 28 2021 9:35 utc | 1

"The US has been running scared......"

Some define "The United States of America" as a complex of coercive social relations not a "nation state" based on the illusion of we are all in this togetherness which partly facilitates the complex of coercive social relations.

Hence some analyse and implement strategies based on the tested hypotheses that "The United States of America has been running scared from conception/inception during the 13th or 14th Century."

As to the geographical areas inhabited by "native Americans" some are of the view that the incomers have been running scared since 1620 or in more southerly climes since at least 1520, a facilitator of such resort to rigorous excercise being outlined below.

“The United States of America”'s encouragement of xenophobia is not restricted to external others, but includes almost all except themself (singular), in illustration that “The United States of America” does not have a foreign policy but an “extended” domestic policy facilitated by some different and varying means, although the difference and variance is contracting, whilst encouraging perceptions of one size fits allness, despite the “obesity crisis”.

This facilitates various opportunities and outcomes, including but not limited to

Lethal internal conflict sometimes misrepresented as “gun crime” akin to “corporate crime”, perhaps in future to include “A/I Drone/Robot“crime as a further development of it-wasn't-meness,

High levels of blue on blue “incidents” (killing members of your own or “allied forces) sometimes illustrating Mr. Breslin's description of “The gang who couldn't shoot straight” but sometimes with intention.

and levels of “fear” which some believe can be assuaged by gun ownership,

All in interaction facilitating accelerated trends of alienation, atomisation, vendettas, and vindictiveness.

Illustrations of how the coercive social relations self-described as “The United States of America” are complicit their own transcendence, whilst believing they are precluding their transcendence.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 28 2021 11:35 utc | 21

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 11:14 utc | 17

It is a leader of IS-K, not the leader.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 28 2021 11:38 utc | 22

@Jen | Aug 28 2021 11:27 utc | 20

The suicide bombing and the ensuing "panic" during which US troops shot dead other Americans, Afghans and citizens of other nations alike sound suspiciously similar to incidents that occurred in Kiev in mid-February 2014 when snipers started shooting into crowds on the Maidan

Good observation, I agree. In Kiev there were hired gunmen on rooftops killing people on both sides. It looks to be a similar MO playing out here.

We know the US deep state was behind the Kiev coup, so people can make their own thoughts about what happened in Kabul and who was behind it...

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 28 2021 11:49 utc | 23

@Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 28 2021 11:38 utc | 22

Well, whataever, they invent leader, leaders. caves, luxurious homes in Jalalabad, and changing locations, and Al-Jolianis, Al-Baghdadis, Al-Logharis at will...

Who cares the number?

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 12:03 utc | 24

Not to mention that, as the radio just warns, the alleged drone strike on ISKP leader-s opens the door for a sure retaliation on the airport before the "evacuation" ends on sept 1st...

Why would the US would want to put at risk the last days of "evacuation"?

Whi is in charge, Biden or Panetta?

Where is Avril Haines, way too busy directing the "pandemic circus"?
Why is she not called to answer questions before Congress?

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 12:10 utc | 25

If local radio here, at provincial capital, autonomous region, is warning about retaliation by ISKP, not a topic of interests for the scared masses in the middle of the "pandemic scare" and apartheid impossed on us, there is high chance it will happen...as was previously warned through the same media that a terrorist attack would happen...

BTW, warning for sailors, Macron is warning also about terrorist attacks on French soil, in the middle of increasing resitance to his sanitary dictatorship amongst the French population...
For what us worth recalling, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, and chief poñice sicides and miraculously indentity cards found in terrorists´car seats...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 12:14 utc | 26

What I find most curious in all of this is - US is directing the operation from Qatar, flying people there, etc.. And who brought the head of Taliban to Afghanistan? Qatari Air Force. Weird cooperation going on there.

Posted by: jv | Aug 28 2021 12:23 utc | 27

can't have a forever war without forever lies.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 28 2021 12:27 utc | 28

"Lethal internal conflict sometimes misrepresented as “gun crime” akin to “corporate crime”, perhaps in future to include “A/I Drone/Robot“crime as a further development of it-wasn't-meness"...

@Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 28 2021 11:35 utc | 21

And...this is why they need us all vaccinated and thus, tracked by mobile devices?

Have you noticed all those strange secuences of number which are tracked by bluetooth through mobile devices at payement cages in malls and places like where crowds meet, and which all follow the same pattern?

This is why neither Macron nor Trudeau fear anymore going full fascist...as they know there will be no more elections....
Just in Australia, an official confirmed "pandemic restrictions" will never end, eventhough 80% of the population fully vaccinated and 0 cases....They just keep rising the bar for recovering freedoms...
What will happen when all the vaccinated wake up to this reality?
Well, the most openly agressive will be finished by drone strike...as we witness the general rehearsal in Kabul...

I warned some 8 years ago that Maidan Ukraine was the general rehearsal for a future fascist Europe...and here we go...There was no explanation for accepting such reality inside Europe after the suffering and loses of WWII there if it were not to soften the landing of the cming fascist NWO...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 12:30 utc | 29

For decades the American soldiers had been attacked by Afghan men in civilian clothes from inside and with the support of the civilian population. The behavious of the soldiers is understandable. For them the attackers were undistinguishable from normal Afghans.

A horrible tragedy.

Posted by: m | Aug 28 2021 12:34 utc | 30

@Posted by: m | Aug 28 2021 12:34 utc | 30

Well, the thing is that if you are not able to keep cold blood in the middle of a terrorist attack in a war zone and avoid starting shotting indicriminately to the crowd, you probably should not volunteer for going into war zone, where probably wage is the highuest...

Are we to believe that US troops start shotting indiscriminately every time they feel at risk of being attacked?
Could such ammount of people be called an army?

Well, no wonder there have been so many civilian casualties in every war they start, like it is the case in IraqLybia, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 12:40 utc | 31

Posted by: m | Aug 28 2021 12:34 utc | 30

Too bad that it was mostly afghan helpers + some british citizens who died in the shootings..

Posted by: Passer by | Aug 28 2021 12:43 utc | 32

Crystal clear and accurate, this Lieutenant General and former Pakistani Defense Minister about the Kabul attack...False flag to ignite unrest and civil war...Who this ill informed mindundi would know?

https://twitter.com/Herbert_Keg/status/1430979659622232064

Also, recalling past years warnings by no other than another ill informed mindundi, Mr.Lavrov...

Russia already smelled the toast in 2018, when Foreign Minister Lavrov claimed that the US supplied weapons to ISIS terrorists in northern Afghanistan, using unmarked (unidentified) helicopters. It is not so difficult to put together today's puzzle..

https://twitter.com/Herbert_Keg/status/1430973214759530507

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 12:52 utc | 33

Kent State 4 May 1970 or Maidan Nezalezhnosti 18 February 2014? Unless enough members of the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan, Russian Federation, or People's Republic of China have learned to have their cameras ready, another event where we will never know what *REALLY* happened to be sure.

Posted by: William Haught | Aug 28 2021 13:36 utc | 34

@31 Asha K.
There is no legal or moral principle that mandates a soldier to let himself being shot dead by an attacker when that attacker wears civilian clothing.

In fact id would have been the legal obligation of the attacker - already since the Haque Convention of 1907 - to make sure that he is recognizeable as a combatant.

Posted by: m | Aug 28 2021 13:36 utc | 35

re Afghanistan threat


Posted by: snake | Aug 28 2021 13:53 utc | 36

PS Kent State 4 May 1970 *PANIC* or
Maidan Nezalezhnosti 18 February 2014 *FALSE FLAG*

Posted by: William Haught | Aug 28 2021 13:54 utc | 37

Re: Asha K. @ 33

Herbert Kegel quoted Lavrov and ended with the false flag accusation. Supposedly a "East German" government account according to the top of his twitter page. I do not know what to make of that since as I understand it Germany has been unified by now.

Posted by: William Haught | Aug 28 2021 14:04 utc | 38

Article speaks for itself

Navy SEAL who shot bin Laden says it's 'time to kill people' after Kabul terror attacks


A Navy SEAL veteran who was on the team that killed Osama bin Laden said it's time to "kill people" and "drop our stupid rules of engagement" after U.S. service members were killed in Kabul on Thursday.


"We need to re-establish and expand our footprint — what we're doing there. We need to really drop our stupid rules of engagement."

----

Also, this guy, as I have explained before at MoA, did not get Bin Laden.

[this is not part of my previous explanation]

Also, he could imagine he saw Bin Laden's face in a piece of toast.

Before he came out publically he was interviewed anonymously.
He related how he had shot at targets of Bin Laden's face "thousands of times".
In the compound at Abbottabad "I saw the face I had seen thousands of times before".

He had stained his brain with the images of Bin Laden.

He had briefed before the raid at Abbottabad that he was going to see Bin Laden.

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Posted by: librul | Aug 28 2021 14:06 utc | 39

This phantomatic ISIS-k is the last creature of Pakistani secret services to destabilize the upcoming Emirate.Did anyone think that the powerful ISI(and all its ties) wanted to stay out of the game? No indeed they could be a real thorn in the side for the new Taliban state.Just my opinion.

Posted by: LuBa | Aug 28 2021 14:07 utc | 40

Missing link from:
Posted by: librul | Aug 28 2021 14:06 utc | 39

https://news.yahoo.com/navy-seal-shot-bin-laden-194200456.html

Posted by: librul | Aug 28 2021 14:07 utc | 41

Thanks for coverage of this war crime, not the massacre in Kabul by panicking US troops, but the 20 year old war crime of invasion, occupation, murder, rape and torture all based upon the Big Lie of 911.

The US military is a shameful laughing stock as its General Staff of pigs sits on the Boards of the biggest corporations in the military-industrial-complex, while the 'troops' are trained and pumped on 75 years of losing strategies, and empty platitudes.

The USA is a failed state living on the glories of myth. The current condition of the USA is the self-evident truth of failure on every level.

Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 28 2021 14:10 utc | 42

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 28 2021 12:30 utc | 29

“I warned some 8 years ago that Maidan Ukraine was the general rehearsal...... “

Whilst almost 8 years ago some others standing at the opposite end of the square to Kreshatik metro station and the Post Office, received a plain bulka carried in a blue plastic bag – not even one with cheese and raisins – perhaps someone pocketed most of the budget, perhaps to start where they meant to continue ? - from a “nice” Jewish lady who had walked all the way down the hill from the embassy to dispense “welcoming gifts” and forgot the salt.

Sometimes life can be disappointing - and for some life can be regularly disappointing.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 28 2021 14:14 utc | 43

Some barflies seem more then reasonably confused: there is no reason to speculate about false flags since ISIS them selves claim responsibility; in the manner terrorist organisations usually do.

This is a perfect example of the law of unexpected consequences. The shipping of ISIS militia from Syria to Afghanistan will end with the Taliban, Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan teaming up for a very practical military/intelligence terrorist hunt.

The US just made their own worst night mare come true.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 14:21 utc | 44

RE: Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 14:21 utc | 44

“The shipping of ISIS militia from Syria to Afghanistan will end with the Taliban, Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan teaming up for a very practical military/intelligence terrorist hunt. “

Possibly with the aid of pre-emption by others who would like to “disappear” the evidence, as was the case with Mr. Bandera and others not fortunate enough to be in Belarus or the Russian Federation?

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 28 2021 14:32 utc | 45

Very good article at Asia Times on the composition of ISIS-K. Many of them are imports from Idlib.
https://asiatimes.com/2021/08/who-profits-from-the-kabul-suicide-bombing/

Posted by: dadooronron | Aug 28 2021 14:33 utc | 46

Anybody know whose airspace the drone crossed through on the way to droning the isis-k "planner"?

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-launches-drone-strike-islamic-state-after-afghan-airport-blast-2021-08-28/

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 28 2021 14:48 utc | 47

This is a perfect example of the law of unexpected consequences Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 14:21 utc | 44
UNEXPECTED ???

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 28 2021 14:55 utc | 48

The reported drone strike in Eastern Afghanistan to get the planner is probably just a placebo to sooth the conscience of Americans. I doubt if it ever happened. What do we have to go on? The honest reporting of the press from informed sources in the Pentagram?

I do believe that there are competing interests inside our government that want different outcomes. I don't think we are going back in there anytime soon no matter what happens. We shall see in a few more days.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 14:58 utc | 49

Jibril @48:

Yes, unexpected. They were brought in to destabilise Taliban territory, not to blow up US soldiers.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 15:01 utc | 50

“No reason to speculate...ISIS themselves claim responsibility...”

So this came from the ISIS press office? A press release or a press officer giving a briefing? Was it ISIS/CIA or have we discovered some ‘real’ terrorists?

Everything you are told is a lie. It would be possible to spend much time differentiating false flags, whole cloth fictions, staged incidents, ad infinitum.

Note the Lt. Colonel who just made a political statement and effectively resigned his commission. Our rulers no longer have loyalty of their minions. Aside from the usual categories of fake events we should expect freelance actions. It will be wholly impossible from the sidelines to distinguish plausible deniability from independent sabotage. Everything is falling apart.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Aug 28 2021 15:03 utc | 51

Macron to talk on French TV tonight from Baghdad, summit with Sisi explaining that "no foreign interference will be allowed".
i.e. offer to Iran, you leave us Iraq, we stop turning Afghanistan into more chaos.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2021 15:14 utc | 52

Oldhippe @51

"So this came from the ISIS press office? A press release or a press officer giving a briefing?"

Well, it was electronic and in writing, but yes.

Have you ever considerd the fact that automatically assuming that everything in the MSM is a lie is about as stupid, lazy and usless as automatically it's true? (Which it mostly is, having to lie is a faliure of propaganda, because you risk getting caught... lying.)

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 15:17 utc | 53

I'm waiting for the Pentagoons to tell us that they didn't have multiple surveillance cameras overlooking every entry/exit point at the airport.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 28 2021 15:19 utc | 54

A real classic some barflies could benefit from reading:

Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 15:20 utc | 55


I think the odds favor Oldhippie's view, everything that comes out of the MSM is pure garbage, garbage with a purpose but garbage nonetheless.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 15:22 utc | 56

SwissArmyMan @56

...said the noble kight of the confortable armchair, known far and wide for his brave batlles in many an internet forum.

[How did you calculate those odds? Do you like Monthy Python? Could you explain why I'm in such a bad mood today?]

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 15:26 utc | 57

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 15:26 utc | 57

"Could you explain why I'm in such a bad mood today?"

Not with any certainty, but it's fun to guess. Possible reasons for your bad mood today (and I hope this puts at least a crooked smile on your face.)

1. You've recently taken one of the mRNA Covid jabs and all the spike-protein nano particles are spreading through your body with a focus on your funny bone.

2. You own stock in Afghanistan

3. The whole Ronaldo/Messi thing.

4. The weather.

5. You're jealous of SwissArmyMan who sits on a porch overlooking Lake Geneva. (I know I am.)

Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 28 2021 15:44 utc | 58

dadooronron @ 46
In parallel, it’s no secret among intel circles in Eurasia that ISIS-K has become disproportionally more powerful since 2020 because of a transportation ratline from Idlib, in Syria, to eastern Afghanistan, informally known in spook talk as Daesh Airlines.

Ah yes, the proverbial spook speak.

Now it is starting to stink a bit. They are flying weapons in? What is going out? Opium? ISIS was built on weapons flown in under diplomatic cover. I figured the Turks would need to set up a new opium supply line with the Taliban taking over.
Islamic State weapons in Yemen traced back to US Government: Serbia files (part 1)
US Task Force Smoking Gun smuggles weapons to Syria: Serbia files (part 2)

It is beginning to sound like we are opening a branch operation of ISIS to be a thorn in the side of the Taliban and any attempt at economic improvement in the country. If we cannot fly in and blow up infrastructure we can hire and supply a group of clowns who will.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 15:45 utc | 59

gottlieb @58

Ahhh, your'e right, weather in Stockholm stinks! It's august, but it's been like october for days. Thanks!

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 15:47 utc | 60

UNEXPECTED 2.0?

Yes, unexpected. They were brought in to destabilise Taliban territory, not to blow up US soldiers.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 15:01 utc | 50

Isn't "blowing US soldiers", just-in-time the best way to destabilize [Talibans] territory?

##s
Isis Amaq news agency....
So Hollywood!!! Next season on AZ Prime?
Using Facebook App https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/isis-propaganda-app-that-praised-deadly-kabul-bombing-against-u-s-troops-relies-on-amazon-web-services

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@Hoarsewhisperer #camera
Perhaps Pentagon use the same type of camera they used at home on 911 ?

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 28 2021 15:49 utc | 61

The never ending lies from the Financial Empire...

The Biden administration started with the propaganda "America is back," now many are wondering what happened to that myth. What a chaotic fall in Kabul, it exposes another myth of restoring competence to American foreign relations. Deceivers decay! The Empire is out of luck!

Empire’ CREDIBILITY ⭕️, Competency ⭕️, Luck ⭕️

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”

Posted by: Max | Aug 28 2021 15:51 utc | 62

Jörgen Hassler @ 53

Yes, I have considered your hypothetical.

The MSM is caught making propaganda lies all the time.It does not slow them down in the least.

The ISIS press office, if it existed at all, would be so simple to spoof there would never be a reason to pay attention to their claims.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 28 2021 15:53 utc | 63


Let's see, In a day or two they suddenly knew just who blew up our guys and they send an unverifiable drone into Eastern Afghan
no man's land to unverifiably get him. One would certainly need to be a lunatic conspiracy theorist to disbelieve that tale.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 15:54 utc | 64

It takes a very powerful explosive to be undetectible by security yet able to blow up dozens of people. It's not the kind of thing you can buy on Amazon.
How and where did the terrorist get it?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 28 2021 15:58 utc | 65

Turkey allegedly finalising a draft deal with the Taliban to operate the airport after the US leave

EXCLUSIVE: Turkey and Taliban close to deal on Kabul airport

It's hard to believe the Taliban would be so foolish as to fall for it.

Turkey is close to ISIS, deadly enemy of Taliban. Operation of the airport gives them perfect cover for covertly brining in more jihadis from Syria, and for supplying their ISIS pets.

The very fact that Turkey has been gunning so enthusiastically all along for control of the airport is enough to leave you sure they are planning mischief.

Posted by: BM | Aug 28 2021 16:06 utc | 66

@ BM | Aug 28 2021 16:06 utc | 66 who wrote about the proposed Turkey running the Kabul airport
"
The very fact that Turkey has been gunning so enthusiastically all along for control of the airport is enough to leave you sure they are planning mischief.
"

Guns and terrorists in and opium out.....sounds like same old game but maybe it will be different this time...../snark

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 28 2021 16:10 utc | 67

A little background

We know that the Obama Administration made wilful decision to allow the rise of ISIS. Complaints from US military intelligence officers about the falsity of Obama's actions against ISIS were ignored/squashed, causing such outrage among those officers that they went public as whistle-blowers. And USA's anti-ISIS air campaign was proven to be fake when Russia told the world about the ISIS oil trade (which USA had apparently allowed to continue) and bombed dozens of trucks carrying ISIS oil to Turkey.

We know that ISIS grew quickly and suddenly became a force after inexplicably taking Mosul, a major Iraqi city, and thus obtaining significant weapons and financial resources.

We know that Israel has provided support for ISIS such as provided medical care and entry to Israel when pursued by Syria military forces. Some have speculated that Israel may have been the largest buyer of ISIS oil. ISIS is the perfect proxy for Israel because they are anti-Assad and anti-Shia (Iran is predominately Shia).

We know that the messianic founder/leader of ISIS was in US custody for years and that USA claimed to have killed him numerous times in raids seemingly tied to the news cycle.

We have reports of possible links to MI-6. 21st Century Wire has detailed some of the possible connections and asks:

How would it be possible for all three of these men to thwart MI5 and escape undetected from the UK, as they would have mostly certainly been closely watched considering their connection to the London Boys sleeper cell and the apparent affiliation to al-Qaeda and al-Shabaab?

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 16:20 utc | 68

SwissArmyMan @Aug28 15:54 #64:

One would certainly need to be a lunatic conspiracy theorist to disbelieve that tale.

Plus they assure us that there was no civilian casualties.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 16:23 utc | 69

Islamists view Afghanistan as an unconquerable fortress to Western invasion and influence, and their proof is that it has defeated the most powerful armies in the world. Afghanistan will therefore become ground zero for the battle for Islamic purity and rise of Islamic rule and further Arab expansionism.

All western (including Israeli) wars on the Middle East have contributed to Muslim/Arab global expansionism through refugee migration.

Muslim/Arab expansionism has therefore become like global warming. Unstoppable.

Western civilization has become weak, faithless, debt-ridden and materially bloated, therefore; open and vulnerable to decline and extinction. The powerful facts-on-the-ground reality evolving in the West, Muslim/Arab expansionism is already altering and causing the decline of Western civilization. There is little to no resistance to this fact; together with a laissez-faire immigration policy led by misguided guilt. We as individuals are not responsible for the stupid decisions that led to mass migration from the Middle East dating back to the wars in Lebanon, unless you were for those wars all along. Then you should blame yourself, but individual corruption is responsible as well. In some way the decline of our values is enabling this takeover of Western civilization. Eventually, climate migration will also contribute to culture clash and upheavel will arise.

Therefore Reconquista II may inevitably happen only this time on a global scale. The wars in the Middle East will bring war to the West.

Isabella I of Spain had the right idea. However, that could never happen now, but in war, all is fair, especially for survival on one's own turf. So the clash of civilizations may be inevitable and may result in the next great war to end all world wars.

Posted by: Circe | Aug 28 2021 16:23 utc | 70

No one on Earth had ever heard of ISIS-K until yesterday or was it the day before? Might as well be a new Covid variant.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 16:25 utc | 71

Circe @Aug28 16:23 #70: Isabella I of Spain had the right idea.

A rather hash assertion from our supposedly Sanders-loving/anti-Trump dembot.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 16:31 utc | 72

Jibril @61:

No, it's making the US look even weaker. Especially since they were warned of the imminent attack by the Taliban.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 16:37 utc | 73

@m #30:

For decades the American soldiers had been attacked by Afghan men in civilian clothes from inside and with the support of the civilian population.

I wonder why… I mean, why would Afghan people attack U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan? Incomprehensible! This reminds me of how Soviet people were attacking Nazi soldiers in the Soviet Union. What a senseless brutality! Why would Soviet people do that? Instead of, you know, inviting Nazis to a picnic with sandwiches, perhaps singing some karaoke together? Something was seriously wrong with those Soviets! Must have been their genes.

Posted by: S | Aug 28 2021 16:37 utc | 74

oldhippie @63

What rock have you been living under the last decade? If there is one thing ISIS is known for it's their expertise in using social media channels. (No, lots of groups cut peoples heads of -- the trick is posting it on utube.)

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 16:40 utc | 75

SwissArmyMan @Aug28 16:25 #71

Covid-K is only the latest wave of the pandemic of lies in which the media must comply with the CIA's mask-the-thruth mandate.

It's for the children. (No, not YOUR children.)

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 16:42 utc | 76

@64:

The drone thing is a much more questionable storie. They probably droned someone or something -- the rest is spin.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 16:42 utc | 77

@ 71:

"No one on Earth had ever heard of ISIS-K until yesterday or was it the day before?"

Well, maybe you hadn't heard of ISIS is Afghanistan. Exactly how cloesly have you been following the story the last say five years?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 16:45 utc | 78

Jörgen Hassler @44

I agree. I think that this is likely the result of the Syria-Afghanistan "rat line" run by the UK/US brain trust and it will supercharge cooperation of the Taliban, regional states and the SCO to snuff out these fanatics, possibly for good.

Posted by: expat | Aug 28 2021 16:50 utc | 79

Jörgen Hassler @Aug28 16:45 #78

I think you'd have to agree that the vast majority of the Western public would not have heard of ISIS-K until just before the latest attack.

Most of the public had already tuned-out Afghanistan altogether until about a few weeks ago.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 16:50 utc | 80

corrected for disambiguation ;-)

What rock have you been living under the last decade? If there is one thing ISIS"UNEXPECTED"® is known for it's their expertise in using social "ISIS"®media™ channels©.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 16:40 utc | 75

DISAMBIGUATION 2.O
"False FLAG" is not "blowing in the wind". ISIS IS THE FALSE FLAG.

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 28 2021 16:51 utc | 81


I am old and slow I guess I completely missed the K variant before a day or two ago, but surely you have an example for me?

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 28 2021 16:52 utc | 82

ISIS-K presents a more-pressing reason to support the Panjshir Resistance as insurance against a Taliban that has no stomach to fight other Islamic fundamentalists.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 16:55 utc | 83

thanks b.... well, it is news to me that anyone other then 13 americans died here... i guess that is the msm for you... we are only told about the americans dying...

i agree with whoever said it upstream - wheels are coming off the usa empire.. it is clear as a bell...

isis-k... well of course they are the same folks from idlib who are still in bed with erdogan / turkey... the thought of turkey having some say over the airport is nuts... another trojan horse with turkish stripes....

@ circe... welcome back! as long as you don't talk about trump/biden and american politics, i will read your posts!

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2021 16:57 utc | 84

On the different Canadian TV newscasts that I've watched since the Thursday events, including CBC's The National, there has been zero mention of the news that the Taliban were among those killed in the attack at the airport, let alone the fact that more than twice as many Taliban were killed than US soldiers (28 vs 13.)

This online CBC / Associate Press article also makes no mention of the 28 Taliban deaths, stating only that: "A suicide attack Thursday by an Islamic State group affiliate killed 169 Afghans and 13 U.S. service members."

Given the level of propaganda by omission that we receive in Canada, I suspect the CBC and other Canadian TV news media will similarly not inform Canadians of the BBC eyewitness accounts that people were shot by US/foreign troops in that incident. It doesn't fit the establishment's long-time narrative of US/NATO good, Taliban evil, so Canadians must not be allowed to hear even the slightest inkling of it.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 28 2021 16:58 utc | 85

Rabbit,
Interestingly the attack does not seem to have killed Europeans apart from Brits. Belgium had asked ppl not to go to the airport since 2-3 days and the first reports about possible bombing, and the Netherlands had stopped buses with 200 ppl from reaching the airport a few hours before the attack.

A few rats in the Brit crowd that needed to be disposed of?

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2021 17:01 utc | 86

psychohistorian @ 67
Guns and terrorists in and opium out.....sounds like same old game but maybe it will be different this time...../snark

Lets look at a few things here...
1. The DOD is starting to call the Taliban "new partners".
2. Turkey is given control over airport operations.
3. The US pushed weapons to ISIS through Turkey to destabilize Syria, a Russian ally.
4. The US appears to have handed over all the Afghan bio metric data and the devices to use it.
5. The US did hand a list of their former Afghan partners to the Taliban. Was that for their elimination?

Did we make a Brzezinski type deal to destabilize the Stans and Russia with the help of the Turks and the Taliban? Will the Taliban project power into the Stans and Russia? Certainly finding partners to do that has been the Wests playbook since the fall of the Soviet Union. Why would things be different now?

How the rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper. Only time will provide the answer.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 17:01 utc | 87

Jackrabbit @68:

ISIL was created by Saudi intelligence. It was the same old deal -- giving the wahabis free range abroad in exchang for them keeping calm at home.

And there was nothing odd about Mosul. The collapse of a colonial puppet military on a somewhat smaller scal than the one we just saw in Afghanistan.


Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 28 2021 17:01 utc | 88

They were just called ISIS until people pointed out that Afghanistan is neither Iraq nor Syria. The K brand was just added to make it seem more believable (although most people fall for anything their rulers tell them so I'm not sure it was really necessary).
And yes, ISIS is media savvy. Not only do they use electronic means like Facebook and Twitter, they put out glossy magazines in multiple countries in multiple languages, at least they did when they first rolled out. Newsweek no longer puts out hard copy magazines, but ISIS did.
They also produce high quality snuff films for YouTube AND they know how to fence antiquities to wealthy European and American art lovers.
AND they can pump oil and deliver it to buyers.
ISIS is Magic.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 28 2021 17:03 utc | 89

@ S | Aug 28 2021 16:37 utc | 74.. it is always the same shit from the poster m.... i'm trying hard to ignore them, but it's hard... if you want a completely american centric point of view - look no further... steeped in ignorance with not a thought to the empire building and its consequences, but instead happy about it all..

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2021 17:03 utc | 90

No one had heard about ISIS-K because it is convenient to forget that their first known headquarters were in Aleppo when all the groups were giving themselves names related to Islamic history. In this case Khorasan was a reference to the Abbasids as having toppled the Umayyads, supposed in the new mythos to be represented by Asad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khorasan_group

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2021 17:04 utc | 91

@ wagelaborer | Aug 28 2021 17:03 utc | 89...i am sure integrity initiative and cambridge analytics and etc. are doing their part to help out...

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2021 17:05 utc | 92

JH @ 75

Yes, ISIS has full access to social media. While everyone else is being shut down by YouTube and cancelled in all social media.

The head chopping videos were so bad I laughed out loud first time I saw one. And have never reconsidered that laughter.

If bad acting and worse video editing is what keeps you up at night you can’t be helped.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 28 2021 17:07 utc | 93

@83 The Taliban has no qualms about killing muslim extremists like ISIS. They've done it before. With some help from the Haqqani network and SCO....even the US....they could get rid of them pretty fast.

Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2021 17:15 utc | 94

Circe @ 70, hardly.

You are leaving Russia and China out of the equation, and considerable cross-border associations concluded by emerging states which those two entities have been engaged in promoting. It's the world vs USA at present, and even in spite of atrocities committed at the Kabul airport, along with what seems to have been major, mistaken, additional violence (in the nature of the single loss of life at the US Capitol, only not farcical as that was for any save the lady herself) there are firm policing protocols which will be relied upon by the incoming government of Afghanistan, with much help from the above culturally diverse nations.

So, Circe, no need for your fears.

I just saw it mentioned by Reuters that the Taliban are ready to take over control of the airport as early as this weekend. We may see the exit concluding sooner rather than later.

Go, go, US troops; as fast as you are able to do so, go. Order will sooner come to that mutilated country if you do so. Let these horrors diminish by completing a visible exit, (while we move on to a careful examination of what has taken place). Let the crowds go to safe places in the city rather than milling about as targets for the unstable elements present in any society, but there more than most. What has happened should not have happened, and prayers can be said for all who have died, while an ongoing peace process continues. We do not have to participate in the last gasp of empire; we can as we mourn, welcome a new day.

The Greek chorus of Sophocles can serve:

Sing sorrow, sorrow; but good win out in the end.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 28 2021 17:16 utc | 95

Jörgen Hassler @Aug28 17:01 #88: ISIL was created by Saudi intelligence.

Have you seen my comment @Aug28 16:20 #68?

ISIL/ISIS seems to be a joint US-UK-Israel-Saudi-Turk project.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 17:16 utc | 96

OT
"Do you have a list of what you consider 'reliable' (or at least mostly reliable) Russian websites dealing with military or geopolitical issues?
Would greatly appreciate any recommendations you could offer.

Reply: Eol Awki a month ago

http://johnhelmer.net/ ;
https://russia-insider.com/en ;
https://southfront.org/ ;
https://www.youtube.com/c/A... ; some;
https://www.bitchute.com/th... ; some;
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ ; complicated.
1

Reply: Actually, I wanted Russian language sites.

Reply: David G Horsman to Eol Awki

There is two folks on the MoA site that are Russian speaking analysts. I will ask.
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And I did.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 28 2021 17:18 utc | 97

dh @Aug28 17:15 #94

I'm not suggesting otherwise. I'm suggesting that the Panjshir Resistance is a CIA front to pressure Taliban (esp. wrt relations with Russia and China) and that effort now gets additional support from perception management.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 17:20 utc | 98

Posted by: Circe | Aug 28 2021 16:23 utc | 70

Whoever posted under the name Circe is an impostor, someone else wrote those lines not the original Circe. It’s either that or the sorcerer did a trick on herself, a one eighty turn, shilling for the Dems and now talking about Reconquista and Isabel de Castilla? If it is you Circe I hope you did not hit your head too hard.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 28 2021 17:22 utc | 99

I am certain that israel somehow has their hand in this, those poor naive kids are dead due to the money grubbing morons who are running this country

Posted by: acb | Aug 28 2021 17:23 utc | 100

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