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August 29, 2021

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-066

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Other issues:

Spying:

Covid-19 - Fluvoxamine:

China Tech cleanup:

Iran:

Use as open thread ...

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And Putin wasn't the only active official today. Lavrov was very active over the past few days beginning with his "remarks and answers to questions during a meeting with the WWII veteran community, fallen war hero search unit, volunteers, students form Volgograd universities and representatives of the people’s diplomacy centre, Volgograd, August 30". Lavrov's message went well beyond what vk chose to erroneously critique as his opening shows the great sincerity and importance of his visit (The article his cites by Tickle doesn't even get the date when Tsaritsyn had its name changed to Stalingrad, which coincided with Stalin's rise to power). Please pay attention to the bolded section:

"My visit is timed to coincide with the ceremony for transferring 11 battle flags from the Defence Ministry to this memorial for eternal safekeeping. The banners under which Stalingrad residents and the Red Army fought the invaders and saved civilians are now here and rightfully belong to this memorial. Meetings like this are necessary for us to be able to work effectively in the international arena.

"Our foreign policy, as defined by President Vladimir Putin in the Foreign Policy Concept of the Russian Federation, seeks to maximise the use of external circumstances to help the country move forward, to improve its security and its socioeconomic growth and to improve our citizens’ standard of living and quality of life. This is its main objective. The second condition, which is closely related to this, includes our traditions, our history that goes back a thousand years, our spiritual and moral values ​​and a loyalty to our ancestors’ behests and achievements. We must pass our country’s wealth to the next generation.

"We gathered here today after a meeting at the office of the Volgograd Region Governor where we had an engaging conversation with our veterans. To reiterate, I bow to everyone who carries on the living memory of those events, who, like all our people, withstood the most bloody and fierce war in the history of humankind and are now passing on their knowledge and, most importantly, their love for our country to our young people. This is solid support for our work abroad. When we see the faces of the people whose well-being should be the goal of our efforts, then, I assure you, we can act much more convincingly and effectively in international platforms." [My Emphasis]

Once you read the full transcript of Putin's lesson you can understand how "external circumstances" are also used as a domestic tool. From the Q&As, we learn that Lavrov doesn't plan to write a memoirs or autobiography; he states: "No, I’m not. If you don’t write everything, it won’t be interesting enough." That opens the door to someone enterprising enough to write a biography while he's still living, which IMO would be a best seller.

Lavrov held another talk at Volgograd upon which the RT article is supposedly based. Here's the Russian transcript which confirms much of Tickle's writing, although he does make a huge gaff at its beginning as noted above.

The other business Lavrov conducted over the past 48 hours or so is best gained by visiting the MFA's website and reading the top four items in the "News" section, particularly his remarks and answers to questions from MGIMO students and faculty that occurred earlier today, although the English transcript is still incomplete.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 17:58 utc | 201

Can anyone explain why the Vaccine industry has focused on using genetic modification of one type or another (artificial through genetic modification mRNA, Genetically modified adenovirus, etc) to induce our bodies to produce an otherwise unnatural spike protein, and lots of it; apparently on the premise that our bodies reproduction of this not natural in nature protein, when stimulated to do so, will result in immunity to the virus to some varying degree?

The Virus seems to have more to it than its spike protein, which is being imitated through artificial gene manipulation, and our bodies natural defenses are a mix of approaches and elements not mono-focused on a single protein.

All the publicity and propaganda seem to be aimed at thwarting questioning what seems to me to be "baseline" assumptions from which the whole Pharma industry and the applicators - the medical Corporations' employees - and the Government regulatory agencies have bought, proceeded from, and are aggressively peddling.

Is it possible that the "baseline" assumptions themselves are faulty and need to be discarded?

Can anyone enlighten me? Link maybe?

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Sep 1 2021 19:20 utc | 202

How is a vaccine (any vaccine, but Covid-19 in this case) mandate logical or legal:

1. The vaccine doesn't prevent becoming infected with the virus.

2. The vaccine doesn't prevent the virus's spread once infected.

3. All a vaccine can accomplish is the mitigation of the virus's affects, nor can it prevent reinfection.

IMO, a vaccine mandate is illegal and unconstitutional, and it's 100% illogical.

It would be nice to see some replies from either perspective.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 19:30 utc | 203

The story comes from The Defender, RFK Jr.’s shop. Vaccination to death by Creutzfeldt-Jakob in just under three months. Previously healthy and active 64 year old woman. Story seems better reported, better sourced than most of what gets published at that rag. If this is real....

Richard Fleming has been warning of this for months. Yeadon has mentioned it. Seemed so extreme that I filed it all the way in back of brain, next to the rubbish.

CJD does just happen. 350 cases a year in US. Three months is real fast. Second vax jab on April 25, first major symptoms May 6, death July 22.

Too much for me to process. Please anyone look into this. Defender stories always leave unanswered questions.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Sep 1 2021 19:31 utc | 204

karlof1 @Sep1 19:30 #203:

How is a vaccine ... mandate logical or legal[?]

1) The "vaccine" protects against serious complications. THIS IS THE PRIME BENEFIT.

2) In addition, the vaccine primes your body to fight the pandemic virus if/when you get infected. This has several benefits:

  1. lowered chance of getting the virus (*)

    * the Delta variant spreads so easily that vaccine protection against getting it is seriously eroded.

  2. faster response against the virus when you get it - less chance of 'asymptotic transmission'
  3. recovery might be a bit quicker
  4. chance of passing the virus to others is lowered overall via the combination of: 1) lessen chance of asymptomatic transmission, 2) a bit quicker recovery; and possibly other reasons.

My biggest problem with the "vaccines" is:
  • the massive establishment support for mRNA experimentation.
  • the total focus on for-profit vaccines as "the answer" - crowding out other health measures/treatments;
  • extending experimentation to children

    If all adults in the school and all susceptible adults at home are vaccinated, why do we need to vaccinate children? Susceptible adults that have not vaccinated have decided to accept the possibility that they could die as a form of suicide. That decision should be acknowledge and respected as a conditional suicide.

    Right to Die


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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 1 2021 20:00 utc | 205

@ Oldhippie | Sep 1 2021 19:31 utc | 204:

Of course, it's always possible that that case of Creutzfeld-Jakob could've originated in a package of ground beef. The USA doesn't meaningfully test its cattle for BSE, after all.

Posted by: corvo | Sep 1 2021 20:07 utc | 206

Jackrabbit @205--

Thanks for your reply!!

So, I'm correct on all counts, which I already knew since medical professionals have said the same.

Of note to Grieved and others as well as those who exposed the FDA's Pfizer duplicity, this notice contains some very unwelcome words from the CDC:

"CDC warns against the use of ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19"

And:

"Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine changed its name to Comirnaty, but it’s the exact same vaccine"

The BigLies continue to be rolled out to the public's detriment. Further follow-up discussion of the above two lies would be very welcome.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 21:49 utc | 207

@297 karlof1

I must say that, with no attitude or deliberation on my part, I seem to have reached a point where I'm tired of discussing the virus and the vaccine. I feel like I've said enough and posted enough links to choke a horse, even if it's apple flavored ;)

To me it's clear where we stand, medically, and my loved ones are protected, medically, and I know the way forward, medically.

But it's not the medical aspects that concern me - it's the jackboot stamping on the face that concerns me.

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I wonder how far the hammer will come down, and what the response from the armed citizenry will be - I don't write off the US public at all when it comes to pushing back against bullshit, not at all. It's just that life is generally so comfortable in the US, for those not actually homeless (and thus socially powerless), that it takes a dramatic lowering of the comfort level in order for people to behave just like people anywhere behave when little people try to put the big boot in.

So obviously 2020 was a great leap downward for those who enjoy controlling people. And what with Woke and Cancel and the servile media, they felt they could push quite a bit, and they still do.

Now I see more speculation that Biden was chosen as the sacrificial goat, and he'll take the rap for the Afghan retreat that was going to happen, and the Iraq retreat that is going to happen, and probably an economic collapse of the usual sort that may as well happen while he's in office. As the saying goes, Biden may as well be hung for stealing a sheep as a lamb.

So they will use this time to push as much as they can, knowing that their leverage will end in 2022 or 2024 (or perhaps not end - one doesn't hope for much from the other end of the seesaw).

Anyway, they'll push just to see where the resistance is, and where they get pushed back. And then they'll relent a little, but the squeeze never retreats back to where it started, it always makes a little gain.

So we will see what happens with their passports, the precursors to the long-dreamed of embedded chips that, as some policymaker said decades ago - if people don't want to belong to the society we order, that's fine, we just turn off their chip.

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It seems to be getting harder to obtain ivermectin from India, but I'll try another round and let you know how it goes.

Letter From America: the walls keep closing in, but one can see the push-back now bestirring itself, talking to others, sounding out soldiers one knows, fishing for policy, getting increasingly ready. So we shall see.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 1 2021 22:34 utc | 208

Grieved @208--

Thanks for your reply! I somehow got on the mailing list of 1ST FREEDOM HUB based in Southfield, MI, which today asked my for my thoughts about the protests in Santa Monica over the vaccine mandate. It sorta sounds like a Trump-related org, and I know I never asked for their mailings. Anyway, I provided them with the following reply:

"The protests are logical for the vaccine itself is illogical as it, first, doesn't confer immunity, and second, it doesn't prevent transmission of the virus once infected--the vaccine's only purpose is to mitigate the affects of the virus once infected, whereas in a great many cases with the 100% experimental mRNA-based vaccines their side-effects can be brutal including causing death. There are only two ways to limit exposure to and transmission of the virus: Masking combined with proper, aggressive hygiene and social distancing in public or staying in place within your own home. Outbreaks must be identified, traced and quarantined ASAP to limit spread.

"As with flu, there's no possible way to develop an immunity, although your immune system can become better armed to mitigate the virus's affects with a vaccination. As with flu, vaccination doesn't prevent its being spread by those afflicted. Flu vaccinations aren't mandated despite that virus's potentially lethal affects. Why? Big Pharma can't make massive windfall profits from flu vaccine since they're now generic. Also note the recent certification by the FDA of a Pfizer product that doesn't actually exist, not its mRNA experimental vaccine. Also note the cancelling of FDA sponsored trials of those vaccines for a variety of reasons. Also note the politicization of the FDA's accreditation process of the very effective and non-lethal Sputnik-V vaccine and other vaccines made by foreign companies or state health agencies.

"Finally, Trump's Do Nothing Policy and suppression of news and procedures by his administration must be looked into deeply, just as with Biden's essential continuation of such policies, none of which are in the public's interest. If Freedom's the Goal, then the Corporatization of government--meaning capture of the regulatory process and agencies--plus the Neoliberal Financialization of our Capitalist political-economy and the Federal Reserve's anti-people/pro-Wall Street policies must be addressed and attacked for what they are: an usurpation of government at all three levels--federal, state and local.

"I do suggest consulting the Constitution's Preamble to learn what the Founders suggested as the rationale for the nascent Federal government that Constitution formulated:

'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.'

"A close, objective study of US History since the advent of the Truman presidency in 1945 will show that very little of the above was accomplished for We the People, and the situation has dramatically worsened since Nixon defaulted on the USA's debt in 1971 and took the nation off the Gold Standard which allowed for intensification of the Neoliberal financializing of the nation's political-economy. Yes, the process was and remains bipartisan but is cleverly masked from the public via what's known as the Establishment Narrative, fake political debate, and falsified economic data.

"So yes, the demonstrations are quite legitimate but need to have their basis expanded well beyond the vaccination issue."

I'll be somewhat surprised if I get a reply. It now looks like we have A way around my wife having to get vaccinated and thus put me at risk (humongous worry for her), but we're still pursuing medical exemptions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 23:41 utc | 209

karlof1 209

We have the Astra Zenica here as well as Pfizer. My wife is in the at risk group and I have asked her to get vaccinated with AZ. She is on blood thinners so the rare risk of clotting should not be an issue.

Enough data now to see what is going on. Both US and Israel have infection rates going up sharply with delta and death rate is following that curve same as it has always done. UK however, the death rate is not following the infection curve. They have been using AZ.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 2 2021 0:03 utc | 210

karlof1 @Sep1 21:49 #207: So, I'm correct on all counts ...

No. You're pulling a fast one. You make it seem that vaccines have little benefit. That is wrong.

Plus, what you are correct about is not enough to say that vaccine mandates shouldn't happen.

You are arguing that we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.

There are specific things that I think should change about US policy (and other governments) that I explained in my prior comment. You essentially overlooked these things to pat yourself on the back.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2021 0:45 utc | 211

Interesting graphic showing the Covid deaths in Africa in countries using ivermectin for parasites and countries not using ivermectin.

https://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1630417828116blob.png

Posted by: naiverealist | Sep 2 2021 0:54 utc | 212

Jackrabbit @211--

In spite of our previous fencing, it would be excellent to actually sit and discuss, for we aren't all that far apart as I've said before. The POV I took above is biased by my wife, as you'll read in my note to Grieved. As a child and Army enlistee, I received all then mandated and suggested vaccines, one delivered by sugar cube. I understand their rationale and how they function. Be well and hope your wife doesn't get scared to death by the thought of transmitting Covid to you as mine did when forced to confront her being mandated to be vaccinated or lose her job because of what's essentially a bureaucratic issue.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2021 1:18 utc | 213

@ naiverealist | Sep 2 2021 0:54 utc | 212 with the Covid deaths in African countries

I continue to get timeout errors trying to access that link from Oregon, USA

Any barflies that get the link to work and can get an IP address for the site and share it here would be appreciated

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 2 2021 2:25 utc | 214

@psychohistorian | Sep 2 2021 2:25 utc | 214,

The IP I got for www.jsmineset.com is [198.178.122.88].

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 2 2021 2:37 utc | 215

@ LuRenJia | Sep 2 2021 2:37 utc | 215 with the IP address...thanks

Still is timing out for me....I will try later

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 2 2021 2:46 utc | 216

Greenwald: Ben Rhodes' Book Proves Obama Officials' Lies, And His Own, About Edward Snowden And Russia


It is hard to overstate the sociopathy of US national security officials: their casual willingness to blatantly lie about the gravest matters is limitless.

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Democrats: sociopath-liars, proto-totalitarians, warmongers, criminals

Democratic voters: they give sheep a baad name

Posted by: librul | Sep 2 2021 3:15 utc | 217

@ Oldhippie | Sep 1 2021 16:20 utc | 197... thanks.. that is a hell of a story! life can take a lot of funny twists and turns.. if a person is into music for the money, they are in trouble.. all the musicians i know aren't.. the ones that are burn bridges with other musicians real fast... i have been taken advantage of a number of times, but i rationalize this away by knowing just how desperate some of these folks i have played with in the past, are! i kind of feel sorry for them... they 'need' the money more then me, or so they figure, so they take a much bigger cut of the gig, especially when they are the leader and they think they can get away with it... it has been one of the main reasons i have quit bands in the past.. someone was funny with the money or had an ego that was too big for the band.. life goes on... i have lost 4 gigs in the past 2 weeks, one of them a steady once a month gig... covid numbers are going up here in b.c. and the venues are anxious about having enough staff, and whether people will be coming out the same way... some gigs are immune to this, but most of my gigs aren't... haloween gig cancelled, a few island gigs cancelled and the regular once a month gig cancelled all in the past 2 weeks.. it is a good thing we own our home! cheers..

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2021 4:04 utc | 219

karlof1 @Sep2 1:18 #213: ... mandated to be vaccinated or lose her job ...

Thanks karlof1. I would enjoy a discussion with you someday. Hope I wasn't too harsh. I compose comments very quickly.

I have a lot of respect for you and I disagree with mandates too but not because the vaccines don't work. Personal choice should be respected. Just as Putin said.

In USA, the terms of the manipulated debate assume that it is not possible to force a cost on the those chosing not to be vaccinated. Why not?

They also assume that there is no alternative to vaccination. Largely because they have FORCED that to be the case.

With that said, there should be an opportunity for a costly opt-out for: 1) natural immunity (you've already had the virus); 2) you're expected to have an adverse reaction (hypersensitivity disorder, etc.)

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While I'm a critic, it doesn't help when people pass along misunderstanding about what the "vaccines" can do and can't do.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2021 4:42 utc | 220

Vaccine passports, mandatory vaccine are bullshit. Being vaccinated lessons the risk of serious illness but does not prevent transmission. Having natural immunity also will not prevent the spread.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 2 2021 4:51 utc | 221

@ naiverealist | Sep 2 2021 0:54 utc | 212 with the Covid deaths in African countries

Thanks....finally got it to come up...yeah, I am spreading the link around

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 2 2021 5:00 utc | 222

psychohistorian | Sep 2 2021 5:00 utc | 222

Sorry about the trouble with the link. I went to bed after posting it and didn't see your subsequent comments. There is a link directly to the original Johns Hopkins data on the graphic, but I was just too lazy to copy it over (couldn't copy and paste because it is a graphic). If anybody you forward it to has trouble seeing it, you might just point to the original link.

It is a very interesting graphic. I am the only Ivermectin proponent in my community (that I have found), thus I hear a lot of "conspiracy theory" claims and accusations, as well as "Where is the RCT (randomized, controlled test). This graphic is an excellent view of the Petri dish that is Africa.

Posted by: naiverealist | Sep 2 2021 11:24 utc | 223

@ naiverealist | Sep 2 2021 11:24 utc | 223 with the follow up about the Africa experience with Ivermectin

Yeah, I decided, since it had source in graph, to make my own jpeg out of it to send around.

I just noticed online that Joe Rogan has just come back from having Covid and he took Ivermectin as part of his cocktail of drugs. I expect he will not be quiet about his experience and I hope that helps bring this human criminality/genocide for profit to an end.

I am going to try and get back to sleep now...sigh

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 2 2021 11:33 utc | 224

Harvard Epidemiologist Says The Case For COVID Vaccine Passports Was Just Demolished

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-epidemiologist-says-the-case-for-covid-vaccine-passports-was-just-demolished/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_TBKsWo0aGHLdgjXbY_u8O8tJg.PX3NDoryrZ2MBi6bI-1630516240-0-gqNtZGzNAtCjcnBszQg9

If that link doesn't work you can find the same article at ZH.


Posted by: librul | Sep 2 2021 12:25 utc | 225

Who owns "Science" now?

Hmm?

Who owns "Science" now?

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Posted by: librul | Sep 2 2021 12:54 utc | 226

psycho
amazing presentation at npr "Joe Rogan told his Instagram followers that he's been taking taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug that is formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the COVID-19 virus"
... ivm is available in any french pharmacy (with a prescription); you just have to say you travel to the Caribbeans soon and are afraid about Dengue.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 2 2021 12:58 utc | 227

The Stalinist in residence will probably applaud
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/cuba-prepares-vaccinate-its-children-entire-population-2021-09-01/

Posted by: Mina | Sep 2 2021 14:14 utc | 228

karlof1 @ 201, thank you very much for Lavrov's remarks above, and also for continuing discussion on the covid virus - I see many more comments, but will give my assessment of the situation as follows. I am hoping very much that those who have taken the mRNA vaccines, which do not kill the virus, and can have unforeseen consequences both to the vaccinee and the public at large, are able to overcome having done so both through attrition and through taking a purging medication like ivermectin, while doing everything they can to revitalize their immune systems.

They are some of the victims I am concerned about - but a larger consequence that ought to be addressed is that even if the side issues of having such vaccinations are short lived or even beneficial to the one vaccinated, they have, every one, put themselves into the situation of becoming hosts of the virus in its virulent forms, which can proliferate beyond their own persons.

So the perpetrators of these vaccinations would seem to be knowingly creating potential carriers for the debilitating virus in those who have been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines. We have seen how one carrier in past epidemics could be ostracized, even locked up for life. Instead, it is the non-hosting non-vaccinated public that is currently being ostracized. That not only does not make sense, it is an outrage upon public safety, a potential genocide of worldwide implications.

I would be very, very happy to be proven wrong.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2021 15:17 utc | 229

@228 Mina

Typical sly biases in that Reuters report, but interesting news, thank you. I couldn't find the source statement at Cubadebate - I do assume that it's true but I would like to see the original even so.

The differences with the Cuban approach are several: first, they've conducted real trials all along; second, they use traditional methods for making their vaccines; third, they focus on treatment as well, and disregard nothing.

They're giving Soberana-2 to the kids, and if the Reuters report is correct they say it shows stronger immunity in kids than the adults. I'm just guessing, but their Abdala seems to be what they give the adults:
Abdala, with three doses, demonstrates 92.28% efficacy

But they're using Soberana Plus to team their vaccine with China's - sharing traditional-type vaccines this way seems to be an approved idea from doctors:
Chinese vaccine Sinopharm administered with Soberana Plus in Cienfuegos

And in Venezuela, the first of 12 million free doses of Abdala (3 doses per person) donated by Cuba has been administered:
“I am here because the vaccine is Cuban”

It's too bad we couldn't get some disaster relief from Cuba in the US - I'd take their vaccine immediately if the US government would recognize it, which is an absurdity of course.

Now to see if Typepad's censors will allow these news sources...

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 2 2021 15:22 utc | 230

Thanks, librul @226. I was prevented from reading more than one line at a time after about two thirds through - so I managed to cut and paste the final bits, not really being able to focus on relevant data. I post what I retrieved here [my bolds]:

...increasing numbers and types of coronavirus-targeting antibodies for up to 1 year. By contrast, he says, twice-vaccinated people stop seeing increases “in the potency or breadth of the overall memory antibody compartment” a few months after their second dose.

For many infectious diseases, naturally acquired immunity is known to be more powerful than vaccine-induced immunity and it often lasts a lifetime. Other coronaviruses that cause the serious human diseases severe acute respiratory syndrome and Middle East respiratory syndrome trigger robust and persistent immune responses. At the same time, several other human coronaviruses, which usually cause little more than colds, are known to reinfect people regularly.

*Clarification, 28 August, 1:20 p.m.: This article has been updated to reflect that in an analysis involving previously infected people who received one vaccine dose, not all people received that dose after, rather than before, becoming infected. It has also been updated to clarify that the vaccinated people in the other two analyses had never been infected prior to being vaccinated...

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2021 15:41 utc | 231

librul @225 - thanks - I had no problem reading this link and here's the ethical situation for non-vaccinated in a nutshell:

"... people who’ve not had COVID and choose to not get vaccinated may or may not be making an unwise decision. But if they are, they are principally putting only themselves at risk.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2021 15:52 utc | 232

Sorry, forgot to close the quote and attribute to Prof. Jon Miltimore at Harvard University.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2021 15:53 utc | 233

@ Doesitreallymatter Post# 202

Can anyone explain why the Vaccine industry has focused on using genetic modification of one type or another (artificial through genetic modification mRNA, Genetically modified adenovirus, etc) to induce our bodies to produce an otherwise unnatural spike protein, and lots of it;

Because it's cheaper having human a human muscle cell be the protein factory, instead of doing it the old fashioned way in big factories with lot's of eggs:

But vaccine production has never been simple or fast. Many flu vaccines are still grown in chicken eggs. Newer approaches draw on genetic engineering to eliminate the need for whole viruses, but their viral proteins are still grown inside live cells.

The coronavirus vaccines from Moderna Inc., in Cambridge, Mass., and its German rival BioNTech SE propose to immunize people in a radically different way: by harnessing human cells to become miniature vaccine factories in their own right. Instead of virus proteins, the vaccines contain genetic instructions that prompt the body to produce them. Those instructions are carried via messenger RNA, or mRNA.

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Posted by: theyhateus | Sep 2 2021 16:17 utc | 234

juliania @229--

Thanks for your reply!! In today's newspaper, we're informed that pro football QB Cam Newton, who isn't vaccinated, will as a result be considered infected and a threat to his teammates. I can't find a URL for that story, but here's the NFL's bullshit protocol:

"Under N.F.L. rules, unvaccinated players must be tested every day for the virus, as opposed to once a week for vaccinated players, and they cannot move around the team facility or mix with teammates as freely as vaccinated players."

Looks like it's going to take a vaccinated player infecting his mates to overthrow that BS. I stopped watching pro football several years ago once the militarism became overbearing, both in ads and by broadcasters. Awhile ago I coined the term Covidanarchy since that's precisely what we're seeing within the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2021 16:30 utc | 235

Wow!! My comment with NO Link is being censored!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2021 16:31 utc | 236

juliania ""... people who’ve not had COVID and choose to not get vaccinated may or may not be making an unwise decision. But if they are, they are principally putting only themselves at risk."

For me, watching the various stats over the last couple of months, I had separately come to the same conclusion.
Also so very real problems with the likes of Pfizer can be separated from the mindless babblings and shouts of the dedicated anti vaxers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 2 2021 17:01 utc | 237

Ref Cuba
They probably know what they are doing... It is an island (or not so? Guantanamo?) and need real herd immunity, plus they know that if tourists who have been mRNA-ed come, they will spread some s...t that will target the unvaxxxed, ie the kids if they are left out.
The UK is hesitating about children vaccination. No one want to take responsibility, I can imagine.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 2 2021 17:12 utc | 238

Juliana, ref Miltimore,
Since this is known now for a couple of months, one would imagine the West has enough money to do a serology before administrating a covid "vaccine". But they do not.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 2 2021 17:15 utc | 239

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