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August 25, 2021

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Posted by b on August 25, 2021 at 16:46 UTC | Permalink

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Regarding the "approval" by FDA of the Pfizer mRNA experimental drug: there is a big sleight of hand going on.

FDA is approving a product called Comirnaty, which it calls a "legally distinct" entity from the existing product currently under Emergency Use Authorization, and not approval. However, the FDA says the two drugs, while legally distinct, are "not medically distinct".

Pfizer has large stocks of its original product but not much stock of its new product. Therefore FDA is saying that the two stocks can be used interchangeably.

Dr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says this seems a clear case of Pfizer unloading its old stocks under the impression across the US that it is now "approved":
2 Things Mainstream Media Didn’t Tell You About FDA’s Approval of Pfizer Vaccine

Comirnaty currently will not have the "prosecution shield", the immunity from lawsuit that the first product enjoys. Kennedy says he doubts that Pfizer will allow much of the new product into the market without an equivalent shield. We shall see.

The point is that what is approved by the the FDA is a "legally distinct" product - which can be mandated. The existing product remains under EAU - and as an experimental product cannot be forced on anyone without their "informed" consent.

Many thanks to psychohistorian at the tail end of a previous thread for the tip that the FDA approval refers to distinct products.

I also don't have time right now to pursue this, but I did check a few sources enough to see there's a huge scam here, that will be difficult to explain to those unaccustomed to nuance in their news.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 25 2021 17:04 utc | 1

Lavrov roasts West's "diplomacy" relative to the exercise called the Crimea Platform:

"The Minister noted that if the West wanted to engage in real politics instead of a virtual one, they should first and foremost be 'guided by reality.'" [My Emphasis]

As I continue to note, EU policy is slowly making its portion of Europe into an island divorced not just from reality but from commerce with a rapidly growing Eurasia in which it doesn't want to participate. Who wants to do business in a place where contract law is now completely politicized. It seems far too many Eurocrats are mired in the mindset Diesen describes in this short essay--that the Yeltsin years were awesome for Russia while the Putin years are the exact opposite.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 17:05 utc | 2

TextIs the U$A giving up the dream of creating a global empire with the Global Ruling Clans? NO.
Everyday the Dollar Empire gets closer to losing its exorbitant privilege of the reserve currency. Time is not on the Dollar Empire’s side. It is doubling up to exploit the remaining window of time left.

TextEmpire’s choice: reform, hybrid wars, hot war...?
China and Russia will not allow the U$A/NATO/Financial Empire to launch another hot war. The Empire can only pursue hybrid wars and failing at that too in Belarus, Bolivia, Peru, Ukraine, Venezuela,... It is still too early to draw final conclusions about Afghanistan. Also, Afghanistan is between China and Russia, so the Empire might not want its troops there if it is planning to take on the big powers of Eurasia.

In the last 2008 Beijing Olympics, a conflict occurred in Georgia, Europe (08-08-08). In 2014, during the Sochi Olympics a conflict happened in Ukraine. Will we see a conflict in Europe or Asia during or before 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics? There are elections in Germany and Russia in September.

A very interesting discussion on another post... Thanks, Jackrabbit & Tom Pfotzer.

What next for the Financial Empire &/or the U$A?

Posted by: Max | Aug 25 2021 17:16 utc | 3

random pipeline news

Development of oil infrastructure in Oman -- China And Iran Zero-In On Oman’s Massive New Oil Storage Project []. Continuing to moving the point of interest in the global oil world from the Persian Gulf to East Africa.

Two pipelines related to this:

Iran completed the first line of a 1000km+, 300,000 bpd pipeline that bypasses the Strait of Hormuz -- Jask oil terminal’s offshore pipeline completed [Tehran Times]

Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline -- Slightly older news, this is really a 3-way deal with Russia, Pakistan, and Qatar. The 1000km+ natural gas pipeline is to run length of Pakistan. (Previously called the North-South Pipeline). Russia builds it and collects a portion of the transit fees, Qatar supplies LNG to fill it, Pakistan consumes it. First day of technical talks on PSGP... As the pipeline runs to pretty much the Chinese border, future expansion options are obvious, as an option to reduce the volume of LNG passing through the Strait of Malacca. It also would relieve the EU market of some of Qatar's enormous and growing supply of LNG, and presumably puts Russian pipeline construction infrasturcture to use, expanded with a German-built factory as part of the Nord Stream deal, to use, and generally shows cooperation between two giant natural gas exporters.

Posted by: ptb | Aug 25 2021 17:22 utc | 4

Yes, a big tip of the hat to psychohistorian and Grieved for informing us about the latest vaccine bullshit. The "Goebbels Effect" regarding vaccines is now deeply ingrained within the Outlaw US Empire as its use is deemed to be the panacea and way out from the pandemic despite its inability to protect people from contracting the virus or from spreading it thanks to the propaganda's affect of promoting a 100% false sense of security. Every morning my wife and I get enraged when we open our newspaper to read yet more Establishment Narrative which now blames the unvaccinated for the rapid rise in new infections when it was the dropping of mask and social distancing mandates for ALL people regardless if vaccinated. The cruise ship example where an all vaccinated crew and passengers still suffered an outbreak once out-to-sea I use to shut people up and educate them about the truth of the situation. China on the other hand continues to use its very well tried and effective response to outbreaks--it stamps its foot down and immediately traces to contain and eradicate so it can continue to operate. Given the Goebbels Effect, IMO the West will never gain control over the virus; so, what will the next BigLie be once the vast majority are vaccinated yet massive outbreaks continue and vaccinated people begin dying in bigger numbers than they do already?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 17:25 utc | 6

Grieved @ 1

Robert Malone is saying there is currently zero Cominarty/Biontech available. Definitely not in US and likely not anywhere. Nor does he expect it to appear soon. It appears only after Pfizer/Biontech gets full immunization from liability. So we will continue to use the Pfizer labeled EUA version for some time.

Unfortunately to hear Malone saying this it is necessary to suffer listening to Steve Bannon interviewing him. If you can stomach that. Sad that serious researchers can only communicate via the scum of the earth.

In meantime everyone believes vaccines are fully approved. Getting that faith established was the whole point of the exercise.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Aug 25 2021 17:31 utc | 7

Thanks to those who are exposing the Pfizer approval hoax. Much appreciated info. And wow, just wow.

Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 25 2021 17:36 utc | 8

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 17:05 utc | 2

The EU expected that the US will rule the world forever (like religious fanatics) and failed to comprehend that most of the world is outside the EU. Racism among some westerners also causes self-absorbtion and delusions of being "the world" or the "center of the world", or "the international community".

The reaction by the EU to the decline of the US (and its own decline) was to try to prop up its failing master even harder, because european elites are psychologically damaged and can not comprehend a world where the US is not in charge. They think that the rest of the world are savages and aborigens and thus the US must be propped up to bring "order", even if that means them becoming puppets. For them, the US means "order", and they become hysterical without it, begging for it, to "do something".

Note that it was the europeans urging the US to remain engaged in Syria, in Afghanistan, and to stay in Europe.

A pathetic story of a bunch of amoebas.

Posted by: Passer by | Aug 25 2021 17:36 utc | 9

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 17:05 utc | 2
"The Minister noted that if the West wanted to engage in real politics instead of a virtual one, they should first and foremost be 'guided by reality.'" [My Emphasis]
I disagree with that sentiment - in general.
IMO, one should be guided by one's needs, wishes, wants, ideas, principles and values, but respect reality as a constraint.
But regarding Crimea as the particular case, well all of those participants at the recent Kiev conference had no problem recognizing Kosovo, so not much principles there.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 25 2021 17:38 utc | 10

Ref Pfizer
Yesterday, France has announced that they will ask people who had the 1 shot J and J to have an mRNA 2nd shot because "they lack data on the efficiency" Sic, as if they could not ask South Africa or Iceland for their stats. A little conflict of interest wrt Sanofi's own coming vaccine and Sanofi Pfizer deal on the production of Pfizer vax?

Transparency is only in Iceland
Iceland has MORE vaccinated among the confirmed domestic cases

Here they have a page with the number of vaccinated by vaccine type, but no such graph for which vaccine was passed by by the virus, of course.

And in the UK a study came out saying that both AZ and Pfizer wane after 6 months. Just when France announced they would give 3rd shots to the people at risk "in October at the same time as flu shots"... Big Pharma stocks must be skyrocketing

On vaccine escape

Posted by: Mina | Aug 25 2021 17:39 utc | 11

Re-posting from the now-dead Week-in-Review thread:

Nord Stream 2 Loses Case For Exemption From EU Directive In Yet Another Hurdle

Nord Stream AG, the operator of Nord Stream 2, lost the court case to exempt the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project from the requirements of the EU Gas Directive.

According to media reports, Düsseldorf Higher Regional Court rejected a complaint from Gazprom to overturn the decision of the Federal Network Agency of Germany.

Nord Stream 2 AG previously appealed in German courts against the refusal to satisfy the request to exempt Nord Stream 2 from the provisions of the Gas Directive. A lawsuit has also been filed to repeal the amendments to the Gas Directive in the EU Court of Justice.

The updated EU gas directive has brought under its own rules not only onshore, but also offshore sections of gas pipelines in the EU. Among other things, the directive requires that the pipeline entering the EU is either partially filled by an alternative supplier, or part of it, which runs through the Union, belongs to a third company.

The EU rules require the companies that produce, transport and distribute gas on European Union territory to be separate, or “unbundled”. They aim to ensure fair competition in the market and to prevent companies from possibly obstructing competitors’ access to infrastructure.

The Nord Stream 2 operator claims the rules, amended in 2019, were aimed at torpedoing the pipeline.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 25 2021 17:42 utc | 12

@karlof1 #6
More or less in agreement with what you wrote, until the last sentence.
The reality is that a large number - possibly a majority - of the most vulnerable people to COVID have already died.
As such, it is highly unlikely we're going to see the mid 2020 to early 2021 death spikes.
At least, unless it turns out that the vaccines really do have widespread and common negative effects.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 25 2021 17:43 utc | 13

Passer by @Aug25 17:36 #9: A pathetic story of a bunch of amoebas.

Angela Merkel is now warning about terror threats from Afghanistan.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 25 2021 17:44 utc | 14

It will be interesting to see if Nord Stream 2 doesn’t function because of E.U. politics. I wonder how much the E.U. os prepared to pay in compensation for their sabotage of the project? Both to Germany and Russia.

Posted by: Beibdnn | Aug 25 2021 17:57 utc | 15

Anything odd about this pic of Bernard-Henri Lévy, the number one opponent of the Taliban? First look closely please.

Solution :

Posted by: Leuk | Aug 25 2021 17:59 utc | 16

Back in June, I linked to Putin's address to the first phase of United Russia's Party Congress which was very informative for those who bothered reading it. Its second phase took place yesterday, with Putin's address available at the link. As with his first speech, Putin covers lots of policy ground, most of which is summarized here:

"So, colleagues, the United Russia programme is centered – and I can see it – on people, on improving people’s living standards and the quality of life. One of the priority tasks is taking care of the older generation, of pensioners. There is a whole range of problems that need to be addressed, such as improving healthcare and developing a system of home care services for seniors. United Russia should address these problems on the ground, in the regions, literally on a daily basis." [My Emphasis]

That paragraph is merely the starting point that Putin follows here:

"Our economy is currently recovering. Thanks to that, we can prioritise extra support to those who need the state’s protection most: children, large families and pensioners. But it is crucial that after the recovery period, which is practically over (I say 'practically' because there are some details, however, we are generally on the right track, and, in fact, everything has been done for the recovery), it is important to avoid any pause.

"I call the Government’s attention to the fact that we must ensure that the economy has steady, sustainable, high-quality and long-term growth, that people’s incomes go up and new jobs are created. This means we must launch large-scale development projects, use new tools, such as infrastructure loans, step up the implementation of the development programmes for the Far East and the Arctic, and expand the capabilities of basic infrastructure, including the construction of the Moscow – Kazan – Yekaterinburg high-speed motorway with a possible extension – I have already spoken about it – up to Tyumen. The Northern Latitudinal Railway is also among the priorities, as it will boost business activity and the exploration of the immense natural resources of the Arctic, the Urals and Siberia, including the Angara-Yenisei region. And actually, we already have a whole range of instruments and funding sources to launch this work."

Russia's domestic condition is far superior to the EU or Outlaw US Empire's in most respects as all attempts to destabilize its development have failed. I'd be very interested to learn our Russian barflies reactions to Putin's speech.

I do want to excerpt one important part, which is Putin's approach to the pandemic and vaccinations:

"We will be able to overcome the dangerous pandemic only if we join our efforts. In fact, vaccination is the main weapon against the spread of the virus. There is nothing else I can say about this. Importantly, no one should be forced to get a jab. Pressure, where people may lose their jobs, is even less acceptable. People must be convinced of the need to get the vaccine. This must be done persistently and respectfully. Respectfully, mind you. People should be convinced of the need to get vaccinated in order to save their lives and health, and to protect their loved ones. They should be convinced that the vaccine really works and mitigates the risk of complications." [My Emphasis]

Fortunately for Russians, they have Sputnik-V and two other excellent vaccines that are far superior to the West's crap. As you see, I double emphasized his last phrase for its truthfulness. There's no deliberately misleading Establishment Narrative being drummed into Russian's heads or attempts at stigmatizing people, yet pundits and other idiots still call Putin an authoritarian. He's busily making Russia great again while the pukes running the Outlaw US Empire continue to push it into an abyss. The reality is quite stark.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 18:07 utc | 17

"Thanks to those who are exposing the Pfizer approval hoax. Much appreciated info. And wow, just wow."
gottlieb @ 8

Wow is right. Canada has crossed the line becoming truly fascist. The Covid passes are coming. Forced mRNA experimentation is very illegal.

Don't expect much resistance though. This isn't France. Like the US, our government reflects our people. It's just a fact. A form of denial.

Welcome to left fascism. Accurately predicted by SI_Smith and many other silenced voices. Neoliberalism isn't a static ideology. Are any?

I don't think our society here will survive the great reset. We don't win this, that's for sure.

I must ponder my fate...

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 25 2021 18:11 utc | 18

Mina @Aug25 17:39 #11:

Yesterday, France has announced that they will ask people who had the 1 shot J and J to have an mRNA 2nd shot because "they lack data on the efficiency"

Shouldn't be difficult for any competent government authority to get data now as studies about relative efficacy have been being published for weeks now.

It's difficult to shake the sense that we are being herded into mRNA. In USA over 300 million shots have been given but only about 14 million were J&J. All the rest were mRNA (one or two shots per person).

From what I understand, Pfizer is only marginally better than J&J against Delta and the J&J jab has a more robust, longer-lasting protection. Pfizer is now seeking to give a third shot (perhaps because an Israeli study - which is being called an outlier - found that Pfizer's protection against Delta was poor, I think only 64%). Moderna is looking into it. And recent J&J study apparently also showed improved protection with a second shot.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 25 2021 18:17 utc | 19

Trying to repost a comment I wrote that went to the wrong thread isn't being allowed to happen and I'm mystified as to why. I'll try to provide a portion that relates to the vaccine issue as stated by Putin:

"We will be able to overcome the dangerous pandemic only if we join our efforts. In fact, vaccination is the main weapon against the spread of the virus. There is nothing else I can say about this. Importantly, no one should be forced to get a jab. Pressure, where people may lose their jobs, is even less acceptable. People must be convinced of the need to get the vaccine. This must be done persistently and respectfully. Respectfully, mind you. People should be convinced of the need to get vaccinated in order to save their lives and health, and to protect their loved ones. They should be convinced that the vaccine really works and mitigates the risk of complications. [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 18:19 utc | 20

The FDA press release is mind-blowingly obfuscating. They say that 44,000 people were enrolled in the trials, but they are now only following 12,000. Say what? What happened to the rest?
They used 22,000 to evaluate "safety", but only 20,000 to evaluate "effectiveness", which they defined as "not sick in the week following the second dose". They concluded from the trial that the vax is 91% "effective". Well, that's handy. Conclude from the trial, in which results were extremely conscribed, and ignore real life results, from which we already know that the vaccine is not actually very effective, thereby annulling the propaganda of "herd immunity". Except, of course, in this real life Goebbels rerun we are living in, facts are ignored and the propaganda repeated endlessly by the faithful True Believers, who hurl abuse at heretics.
They say that they have only followed up with 12,000 participants for six months. Why? What happened to the other 32,000? And why haven't they monitored the millions of people who were seduced or coerced into joining the trials by accepting the jabs? Those people should be considered part of the trial, but no, they are studiously ignored.
They admit only the heart damage, ignoring all other reports of injuries and deaths, and blow it off by claiming it's mostly teenaged boys. And no one likes teenaged boys, right? No big deal, then.
Then they say that Pfizer has gracefully offered to monitor pregnant women and babies, although the FDA doesn't require that. Why? Why doesn't the FDA require that? Why are they pushing it on pregnant women if there were no studies? Although we do know that over 80% of women in their first trimester miscarried. They weren't even showing yet, so no big deal, right?
This has got to be the most mind-bogglingly audacious display of raw power used on the masses that has ever been seen, imo. To quote Ronald Reagan "Facts are stupid things". That now seems to be the motto of the FDA, the media, governments world-wide, and half of the population.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 25 2021 18:21 utc | 21

So let me get this straight – and thanks to those who shared the fundamental info – The demand for the Covid Jab in the USA has basically dried up. The cajoling, shaming and bribery of the obstinate/hesitant has not worked to significantly move the needle in 'jab' compliance. There are millions and millions of jabs sitting on deep-freeze shelves with expiration dates. And then somehow, miraculously, in a revolutionary ground-breaking approval process, rivaling Warp Speed itself, the Pfizer jab is approved for general use. The President goes on TV and crows about this victory and calls out nanny-nanny on anyone who was jab hesitant because it hadn't been approved. He admonished them to go and get the jab right then and there.

But, those being tortured into submission to take the jab cannot get the approved Pfizer product because it doesn't exist except as a PR photo-op. So the folks going out to get the approved product today, tomorrow and next month are getting the Emergency Only approved product because there is no approved product available.

And what is the difference between the approved and unapproved product? Not safety, but liability.

And folks wonder why people are cynical?

Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 25 2021 18:21 utc | 22

@11 Mina - Re: Iceland

Very clear data.

Essentially ALL the population in the vulnerable age group is vaccinated. 99% of 70+ years old, 96% of 60-69 yeas old are vaccinated. 81% even among age 16-29. Only children under 16 are mostly not vaccinated, and they have started on them.

But also Note! Only one (1) person has died in Iceland of Covid this year, according to worldometer.

So this supports the theory that if you want people not to die, vaccinate those who are most at risk. Policies like workplace vaccine mandates target the wrong demographic, and simply aggravate the political situation.

Posted by: ptb | Aug 25 2021 18:24 utc | 23

"I also don't have time right now to pursue this, but I did check a few sources enough to see there's a huge scam here, that will be difficult to explain to those unaccustomed to nuance in their news." - Grieved @ 1

I use a simple methodology where I contrast analyst commentariat against expert sources. You could say have a trust relationship, as in sources. ;-)

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 25 2021 18:29 utc | 24

Adding @Aug25 18:17 #19

And the US military uses Pfizer exclusively.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 25 2021 18:29 utc | 25

Yesterday, France has announced that they will ask people who had the 1 shot J and J to have an mRNA 2nd shot because "they lack data on the efficiency"

Mina @ 11

That is a flat out lie by the French:

Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine helps prevent severe disease among those infected with the delta variant, according to a trial involving almost 480,000 health workers in South Africa.

The study, known as Sisonke, provides the first large-scale evidence that the J&J vaccine works against this dominant variant, according to trial co-lead Glenda Gray. It’s probably more protective against delta than it was with the earlier beta strain, she said in a presentation Friday.

The single-dose shot was 71% effective against hospitalization and as much as 96% effective against death, she said. It also demonstrated durability of eight months.

“These results show there is no need for a booster yet,” said Gray

The single-dose J&J shot was 71% effective against hospitalization and as much as 96% effective against death.

Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2021 18:32 utc | 26

At the end of the Borg thread, I linked to Putin's speech at the second phase of the United Russia Party Congress, which I tried to cross post to this--proper--thread. Today, Putin had a Meeting of the State Council Presidium that discussed education:

"The topic of today's meeting of the State Council Presidium, held just before the start of the new school year, is the Russian regions’ priorities with regard to school education.

"Indeed, each level of government has its own legislatively documented responsibilities, authority and competencies. But we all understand that education, its development and improvement are part of the national agenda and are among the key state priorities. They are extremely important for our entire society, for every family, every person.

"Without the availability of modern, high-quality and affordable education in all regions of the country, it is impossible to achieve development. What we need most is to ensure justice, equal starting opportunities for each child to reveal their talents, and contribute to their future success, professionally as well as generally, later in life." [My Emphasis]

Yet another reason why Russia will eventually bury the Outlaw US Empire where educational opportunities are so skewed, unfair and unequal in comparison.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 18:39 utc | 27

Jackrabbit @12:
I fully consider the EU capable of shutting down North Stream 2, and then complaining the Russians are not keeping their word in supplying the EU with gas. Expect something similar with electronics from China.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 25 2021 18:49 utc | 28

@ Oldhippie | Aug 25 2021 17:31 utc | 7... my brother gets robert malone via twitter too, so maybe you don't have to go thru bannon.... he was telling me about it yesterday - what grieved brought up at the top... i agree with @ 22 gottlieb - "And folks wonder why people are cynical?" aside from big pharma wanting to protect their ass and raking in billions, this is outrageous....

Posted by: james | Aug 25 2021 18:50 utc | 29

Found it.

CNN reports that 364 million shots have been administered. Many of those are two shots to the same person for "full coverage" by mRNA.

Only about 14 million of those shots were J&J (which requires only a single shot).

That means, by my estimation, that about 200 million people have gotten at least one shot of mRNA vs 14 million J&J (less than 7%).


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 25 2021 18:51 utc | 30

@ 28 passerby.. it is all so very predictable, isn't it? it is all about money and control...

Posted by: james | Aug 25 2021 18:51 utc | 31

News Flash

In his presser today (happening now) Sec State Blinken put up a map of Afghanistan that includes districts contolled by the "Panjshir Resistance".


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 25 2021 18:58 utc | 32


Four deaths in three days. Public questions Taiwan authority's judgment in rolling out locally made vaccine

A locally produced COVID-19 vaccine on the island of Taiwan has seen four deaths in just three days after the island began its use, triggering strong public inquiries as many questioned the safety of the vaccine and whether the local authority had been too quick to grant emergency approval.

Without phase III clinical trials, the vaccine, produced by Medigen Vaccine Biologics Corp (MVC) on the island, was approved by Taiwan authorities for emergency use on July 18 with data from phase II clinical trials.

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2021 19:08 utc | 33

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 25 2021 18:11 utc | 18

Wow is right. Canada has crossed the line becoming truly fascist. The Covid passes are coming. Forced mRNA experimentation is very illegal.

What is forced? It is all voluntary, and what law is broken by it to make it illegal? The 3rd Newton Law?
Scared of needles, eh? Don't be afraid it does not hurt, it is just a little pinch...
And you will get a cookie and a sticker to pacify you.

Don't expect much resistance though. This isn't France. Like the US, our government reflects our people. It's just a fact. A form of denial.

France is resisting curfews and lockdowns. We do not have any of that crap here.

Welcome to left fascism. Accurately predicted by SI_Smith and many other silenced voices. Neoliberalism isn't a static ideology. Are any?

You watch too much Tucker Carlson. Do you know that he is vaccinated? How I know that? He hasn't been in quarantine after his return from Hungary, meaning, he is fully vaccinated.

I must ponder my fate...

Get a jab you wuss.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 25 2021 19:15 utc | 34

"Importantly, no one should be forced to get a jab. Pressure, where people may lose their jobs, is even less acceptable. People must be convinced of the need to get the vaccine. This must be done persistently and respectfully. Respectfully, mind you."

Karloff @ 7 Well said sir. I am known to do voluntary experimentation. This however is criminal and left fascism.
So I must refuse on principal.

I wonder where protests are organized and communicate. Nanaimo isn't a big city.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 25 2021 19:27 utc | 35

@ david.. are you in nanaimo??

Posted by: james | Aug 25 2021 19:37 utc | 36

You read it here first....

The religious folks are going to use the numbers coming out of the semi-forced vaccination in the US/West to tell the world what a big percentage are "religious" folk because they gave that as the reason not to take the jabs.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 25 2021 19:38 utc | 37

The Taliban are calling in the Russian Diplomatic services to act as go-betweens between them Masoud.

A representative of the Taliban’s political service visited the Russian embassy in Kabul on Saturday and handed over a proposal for a political agreement to the Panjshir authorities, said Russian Ambassador to Afghanistan Dmitry Zhirnov-

“Today we had a representative of the Taliban’s political service at the embassy and he asked to send a political signal to the people of Panjshir,” Zhirnov told Soloviev’s live channel on Youtube.

“They asked Russia to convey the following to the leaders and people of Panjshir: so far the Taliban have not attempted to enter Panjshir by force, the group is counting on finding a peaceful way to resolve the situation, for example by reaching a political agreement,” he added.

According to the ambassador, the statement noted that the Taliban “do not want bloodshed and are in the mood for dialogue.” Zhirnov added that such a statement suggested that the Taliban wanted to resolve the situation “in a more civilized way” than Amrulah Saleh, who was Afghanistan’s vice president under Ashraf Ghani.


As read in "Sputnick" that "according to US sources", some form of attack by Daesh on Kabul airport is a possibility. After which the US will be "obliged" to stay on because of...... or to "protect......??
Ages ago, ISIS leaders were observed being helicoptered "secretly" out of Eastern Syria towards the general region of North East Afghanistan. (After the Syrians recaptured Deir Ezzor, the Americans invaded Eastern Syria, and their continued existence became a problem for the US occupation.) The concensus at the time was that they would be sent/used further North to cause mayhem in the 'Stans. However, they apparently didn't. So they may still be in Afghanistan. They will not be on anybodies "good-to-fly" list.

These are the type of people that would justify the visible relief of the Russians when all the borders were secured by the Taliban. The Russians are also now planning manoeuvres with the Tajikstan Army. (re: above, Panshir "air link" of about three helicopters to Tajikstan). I am not sure, but the ISIS leaders could be aligned more with the CIA than the regular US troops. So any attack might be a bad result of the recent discussion between the Taliban and the CIA director.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 25 2021 19:39 utc | 38

“Get a jab you wuss” is bullying. Not allowed. Any pressure at all to achieve informed consent is illegal.

“What law is make it illegal.” International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Not sure about Canada with that one, US is a signatory and it is law here. Constructively illegal under Nuremberg Code, Helsinki Declaration, Universal Declaration of Human Rights. But bullies dismiss all that with a wave of the hand.

As any and all information is being strictly controlled no one is capable of giving informed consent.

Tucker Carlson is a creep. Not remotely relevant.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Aug 25 2021 19:45 utc | 39

"Canada has crossed the line becoming truly fascist."

Canuck: "But we really hate fascists!"

Please note that being fascist and hating fascists are not mutually exclusive, though that may give one displaced anxiety disorder. Naturally, one can cover over any visible symptoms of cognitive dissonance that may cause with copious amounts of virtue signalling and Xanax.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 25 2021 19:53 utc | 40

Only about 10% of federal rent assistance funds have been distributed to Americans as MASS EVICTIONS loom

Like I said about Biden's "infrastructure package": how much goes to the middlemen and how much really reaches who needs it?

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2021 20:01 utc | 41

jo6pac @ 5 If we start blowing up satellites we will end up not being able to use the orbits which already are filled with space junk.
It's a big concern.

The basic idea has been debunked as far inferior to missles anyways. They know it's not practical. It's propaganda.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 25 2021 20:06 utc | 42

"France is resisting curfews and lockdowns. We do not have any of that crap here"
it s a bit more than that..since two weeks you cannot go anywhere (incl. cinema, a cafe terrace, big malls...) without a proof u r vaxed or a test (less than 48 hours).
same at work and your employer is supposed to do the control.
same at school and they plan to test kids and when positive cases in a class all tge non vaxxed will have to stay home

huxley was right

Posted by: Mina | Aug 25 2021 20:20 utc | 43

dh@18, i live in victoria & completely sympathize. a worry with mRNA is o/c ADE, having had covid, i ought to be included in the covid passport, the EU includes it bt not so b.c. or canada. the idea of so called herd immunity is not something justin is attempting to reach bt something else altogether. i lived through a cytokine storm & am certain i won't survive another. so i don't mind in the least not being able to go to concerts or restaurants...i mind not being able to travel bt that's the way it is. i would take the sinovac or sputnik V without question (i've researched both) bt our govt will not allow freedom of choice. there is no choice. i'll get food delivered until it's mandated that i can no longer shop in person. when it comes to home confinement i fully expect that shortly thereafter i shall be dragged out onto the street & given the jab, possibly a run of 'boosters' as well. the few holdouts like me shall be made an example. huxley, for sure. the tv series the prisoner, absolutely. oddly no one questions this, choice is not an option. the green party's platform conforms absolutely to this mandate. i marched with tommy douglas, he would not have stood for his party being in favour of such an outrage. the ndp now is in complete agreement with pharma & fauci. i really am too old.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Aug 25 2021 20:51 utc | 44

Grieved @Aug25 17:04 #1

That's a must read.

I'd like to hear what b has to say about it.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 25 2021 21:05 utc | 45

"I must ponder my fate... Get a jab you wuss." - hopehely @ 34
That whole needle Tucker troll rant was kinda of weird and nobody here wants me to get in pointless exchange with you. If you are interested, folks like you are basically my homework assignment. Lol. And I am equally sure nobody wants to hear any horror stories from me. needles. sheesh.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 25 2021 21:06 utc | 46

Taliban announces appointments. (Apologies for tinyurl but it gets past the perversity wall.)

The country’s Pajhwok news agency reported on Wednesday that Gul Agha had been named the finance minister and Sadr Ibrahim the acting interior minister.

Gul Agha would appear to be Gul Agha Ishakzai, the head of the Taliban's financial commission, while Sadr is believed to be a powerful and trusted figure within the Taliban.

Former Guantanamo detainee and a veteran Taliban battlefield commander Mullah Abdul Qayyum Zakir was named the acting defense minister.

A Taliban official in Kabul had confirmed the key ministerial appointments made this week. The official said provincial governors would be selected from among some of the most experienced commanders.

So the Defense Minister has good pedigree and training ;)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 25 2021 21:08 utc | 47

@Posted by: Mina | Aug 25 2021 20:20 utc | 43

There is a need of forming and supporting lawyers´assciations to denounce this in the tribunals.

Versailles Administrative Tribunal has suspended Covid Pass in malls, alleging it is not legal to prevent people to get food.

Anyway, all those collaborating in this, got portrayed... even when allowed, or even invited, I will never put a foot again either in Careefour, Auchan or the rest of them...
We should all return ti the neighborhoo grocerie and give the huge foot to all these corporations who came to end local business...

Now they are fond on nazism...They will soon have to return vto France and be open for Macron and his camarilla..

This is very serious, that the hinest taxpayers is oblied to recur to the superior tribunals to be able to exert its basic rights is a shame..
This is lawfare extended from bipartisan politics to war on taxpayers..

Unions who hace also contributed to this, must be defunded and new ones, independent from the nazi state, funded instead. They menaced us with getting without job if we did not get the shot, may be soon it will be them who could have to return sweating to make a liiving...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 25 2021 21:17 utc | 48

@ karlof 27 Russia
re: What we need most is to ensure justice, equal starting opportunities for each child to reveal their talents, and contribute to their future success, professionally as well as generally, later in life.

Yes. . .from the web
Meaning of Education- The root of Word education is derived from Latin words Educare, Educere, and Educatum. Word educare means to nourish, to bring up. The word educere means to lead froth, to draw out.

The US education systems is based on a standard curriculum for all students regardless of the fact that they are all different. So the students are then confronted with standard tests of English and algebra, which are easy to test, despite student differences. Can't (or don't want to) do algebra? . . . classification -- stupid. . .English? .. . same -- stupid. . .despite the fact that there are many success stories of people who are not so good at English and algebra and are still successful in life.

Other views of intelligence have emerged. One such conception is the theory of multiple intelligences proposed by Harvard psychologist Howard Gardner who first outlined his theory in his 1983 book Frames of Mind: The Theory of Multiple Intelligences. He suggested that all people have different kinds of "intelligences." Gardner proposed that there are eight intelligences (maybe more). . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2021 21:35 utc | 49

@Old Hippie
Dr Robert Malone has a detailed exposition of the FDA “approval” on his own website. The document has a very long URL which would affect the MoA formatting so details can be accessed by clicking on the links in his post.

I have read about the lack of informed consent breaching the Nuremberg Code and the Helsinki convention. This Canadian lawyer is talking about the breaching of Canadian law

Has everyone seen this? Dr Kobi Haviv Herzog University Hospital - 95% of severely ill patients are vaccinated. Is this an example of Antibody Dependent Enhancement?

Posted by: cirsium | Aug 25 2021 21:40 utc | 50

Evacuation is a humane exercise.

What can one say....

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 25 2021 21:53 utc | 51

Too Big to Fail.....

Now another bail out?

I remember during the 2008/2009 GFC it was said the imploding Italian banking crisis could bring dow the entire EU banking racket.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 25 2021 21:54 utc | 52

41 years ago I began a 10 year run of living with a needle in my arm. Several times a day I shot up the US government dope. I have no desire to do it anymore for the dopes in gov't. Enough is enough. I quit 31 years ago.

Posted by: Annoymouse | Aug 25 2021 22:13 utc | 53

@ david.. are you in nanaimo?? - james @ 36
Hi james, yes I am. It's a small world given this community is spread over an entire planet. I am (obviously) a public commentator. I was visiting here 6 mo a yr for the last 5 yrs. I half lived here. I came out live here to teach home school and write software. Lots of childcare. Simple things.

My philosophical view is that the purpose, duty, best use or whatever of elders is to care for the next generations, educate, serve society or any meaningful role. And I know folks that totally into just enjoying retirement. It's all good but I would prefer to live by a code, be it situational, rather than hedonism.

james 5 yrs back I wanted to predict when heavy censorship would begin. Well that happened rather quickly. I have been studying social media while trying to get a shallow education across most domains. Properly done that's 10-20 yrs work so it's always in context to the minimum specific to the design work.

So here is my dilemma, I took a few months off. I was going to go back and finish a FOSS and another proprietary app. Get a job, not a jab. However I've been listening to you and everyone here and various site for some time.

The study of social media is the study of ideology, sociology, psychology and artificial intelligence. Being limited I focused on the US specifically and err... traditional European politics. Fascism was of course the relevant choice of a thesis to the extent I had one. Had they not already won?

Given the seemingly accelerating pace of geofascism and the views and analysis expressed here what should I do? It could matter. To me and mine certainly.

My plan was to spend 3-5 years on a software solution to this mess while figuring out how to get around that being crushed. On the other hand we may not have that kind of time. It might make more sense to join a political movement, get in someones face, go make friends in jail or within the dark underbelly of the beast. If nothing else to go out on the right side of history.

As I said, I am not exactly figuring out getting back to work so much as pondering my fate. Much of my studies have been on ultra cheap technology, weaponisation of social media and open source software.
james even a wreck like myself could create an AI in his basement. IF, and only if, he/they knew how of course. That's a question quality of intelligence and not quantity. Anyways AI is way off topic. Nukes would probably be a good alternative to our continuing our current efforts in AI.

It might not be possible to be both a political activist and software developer given my lack of resources. It doesn't take much to critically disrupt technology development. I am undecided beyond not providing something that can be stolen.

That being the case all they can do is steal a bunch of work covered under copyright. Have at 'er. chuckle. And while I could act locally I am just as inclined to get a passport and see what foreign land can hide a mad scientist. As I said once said, "I work for food".

There's a good reason to get the jab. Then leave and crush these fascist pigs from a distance. This has crossed a red line for me. If this is Canada I want out.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 25 2021 22:17 utc | 54

Caitlin and her dad are right on.
The song....Give it away Uncle Sam

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 25 2021 22:26 utc | 55

Don Bacon @49--

Thanks for your reply Don! I posted some further info on the Prison thread. The Inept USA will make Khrushchev's vow to bury us via merit finally ring true as Russia's already quite close.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 22:30 utc | 56

Posted by: annoymouse @ 53

Good work for kicking the habit. I came across this 5 minute video recently, it might interest you:

Posted by: Paul | Aug 25 2021 22:57 utc | 57

Highly recommend the read:

The rate and the mass of profit

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2021 23:18 utc | 58

I have been on vacation in our beautiful PAC NW, so haven't been keeping up. Looking at this thread, I am heartened to see a wave of anger forming at the medical totalitarianism using sleight of hand to pin infection surges on the unvaccinated.

In the last open thread, b posted a graph from Adventist or Peacehealth, local providers, which showed clinical cases being firmly on the unvaccinated side. I have not had time to respond to this, but, suffice to say, it doesn't tell the whole story.

In a prior post, I mentioned that rural areas are being hit hard currently quite possibly for the reason that blue states, and Oregon, were briefly open/relaxed enough that the urban travelling to the far corners might have brought vaccine-bred mutant strains along with them.

This potential, in conjinction with the fact that the rural are the most vaccine-hesitant as well as are more likely to have an elderly population, obesity, diabetes, speaks volumes as to why rural counties are getting hit hard right now. But that is not the kicker.

The kicker is, and, b, are you listening?...rural folks are partying like it's 1999. They don't give a fuck about 6 feet distance, max occupancy, masks in public, etc. They are at concerts and events enjoying themselves. Urbanites are still doting slavishly over their totalitarian governors (Inslee, Brown, Newsome) who have done more between them to strip liberties than 100 years of governors before them.

So it makes sense to me that the rural unvaccinated would be sreading it. And the clinical cases in these areas probably have more to do with the urban vaccinated than from within their own lifestyle.

Put that in your pipe.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 25 2021 23:20 utc | 59

@50, cirsium, thank you for the youtube link...i rarely go to yt so i would never've found it. i've left a message on his phone & await a reply regarding section 1 of the code (which will undoubtedly be used to negate all opposition bt fingersXed perhaps he has a way around). i've several friends, drs/lawyers, living in bc & extremely interested in pursuing this further, as it is clearly an assault on our rights. again thank you.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Aug 25 2021 23:27 utc | 60

Bolivia and Peru
This morning I posted the followning link from Kawsachunews in Bolivia headlining "escape attempt underway" describing an attempt by fascists to break Jeanine Añez out of prison. As of now, late afternoon, no further news has been posted. My guess is that there is no overt kinetic operation happening but I also guess that there is a plan being worked on to get her out. It is likely that the news brief was an attempt to shine a spotlight on the fascists and alert the public to the plan which could trigger popular support in thwarting the action.

Meanwhile, Peru is going through a similar parallel struggle against the upper class ruling caste who are working hard to overthrow Pedro Castillo's new government which is new, weak in many ways but also represents the vast majority of Peruvians. A number of articles have carried similar tones predicting an overt coup attempt.

These articles might appear a bit over dramatic. They are not. They are meant to alert the people and are also meant to ask the masses to help fight the fascists.

Latin America's revolutionary struggle looks very different than that of the Middle East and South Asia but the two regions share one condition: both are kinetic and hot right now. One difference: Latin American peons don't have the guns that the Taliban or Hezbollah have. Peruvians and Bolivians are emerging from 500 years of one of the most conscious, consistent attempts to create a blood caste in human history. Think about dog breeding... much of Latin America's elite (and the U.S. Deep South) has followed a similar process over the centuries. Pedro Castillo's oversized Cowboy hat symbolizes a counter attack of the peon image: it is a dog whistle, in your face challenge to the white power elite of Peru that says: "I'm a peon, I'm the lowest of the low, I stand with my people, and we're taking power!" Same in Bolivia with their flag, dances and clothes.
Currently, white, Euro Peruvians and Bolivians are planning to re-take both countries. They have money, networks, support from U.S., European and Latin American elites and muscle (Blackwater etc.)and they truly believe they are entitled to take back "their" countries. However, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and now Bolivia and Peru are rising. The fascist elites have shown that they are not capable of ruling. The peons are mobilizing and support is growing. Peru might revert to fascist neoliberal elites for a time. But they won't hold for long.
Bottom line-- sensational headlines are real. They are also a call for action. Latinos can teach us if we are open and humble and summon the courage that they have demonstrated.

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 25 2021 23:28 utc | 61

I know New Zealand does not require a jab to enter the country yet, although the tourist industry is pushing very hard for it. NZ is aiming for 'elimination' of covid.

Australia seems to have given up on elimination, except Western Australia, perhaps Queensland and Tasmania too. Other states are now attempting to 'live with the virus.'

NZ requires a 14 day managed isolation quarantine and multiple negative tests, but that is required to travel between certain Australian states.

The NZ government is not convinced of vaccine efficacy, nor are many others.

Is anyone aware of any other country where no jab is required to enter?

Posted by: Paul | Aug 25 2021 23:35 utc | 62

No, the reason for the spike was the immediate dropping of fundamental defenses as soon as the false all clear was given and the demasking of Covid carrying vaccinated tourists from all over the nation spread it far and wide. All the protocols in place at stores were dropped faster than a hot potato because they caused an extra labor cost to doing business. The 100% False Narrative that vaccines prevent infection by or spreading of Covid is being pushed by all media despite massive evidence to the contrary. Often "health" spokespeople are heard saying both in the same sentence--that vaccines do but don't. Did you hear about the Carnival cruise ship, Nemesis, the one whose entire crew and passenger manifest were vaccinated yet suffered an outbreak once at sea? Vaccinated people are dying--why? Because they bought into the false narrative that implies the vaccine is a panacea providing 100% immunity and ceased their protection protocols. Now we have extremely ignorant people and venues saying they won't perform for an audience unless everyone can provide proof of vaccination--we just canceled going to a concert in Seattle for that reason. So, just who are the Rubes? Haven't you learned the most basic thing about Outlaw US Empire politicos--that if their mouth's moving they're lying?!?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 23:46 utc | 63

Paul @62--

NZ is spot on as no vaccine confers immunity or prevents its transmission, although the best vaccines help mitigate Covid's affects, just as Putin stated @17 above. IMO, the experimental mRNA based vaccines should never have been given any sort of clearance for use.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 23:54 utc | 64

@ David G Horsman | Aug 25 2021 22:17 utc | 54... david - that is most interesting! i wish you success in your adventures.... i have been here for 18 years.. i like the place.. i am not doing anything like what you are doing.. i am trying to finish up a bathroom reno downstairs - tiling at the moment... AI and software development - seems like an exciting idea to try to change the world... i am into having some impact on the people i know in person.. that is mostly it... canada is much like a lot of other places in the world today - totally beholden to the financial ponzi scheme and willing to play shenanigans with intel capers to keepthe ones they don't want in on the shell game - out... canada is very much a part of 6 eyes as peter au likes to say! doesn't really matter who one votes for... if anyone made a point of wanting to get rid of our connection to the queen and uk royalty - i would vote for them! maybe we'll meet in person one day here in our beautiful community...

Posted by: james | Aug 26 2021 0:03 utc | 65

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2021 23:46 utc | 63

Not only did I hear about the recent Carnival Cruise Line ship, I used her as an example.

Trump bailed out the Israeli owned Carnival company despite it having no US registered ships and paying no US taxes. Such generosity, I wonder why?

A Carnival ship, the notorious Ruby Princess, introduced Covid to NZ and then on to Australia. There was a scandal in both countries. I believe the outbreak began when she took aboard an Italian cook Carnival flew to NZ.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 26 2021 0:05 utc | 66

"Naturally, one can cover over any visible symptoms of cognitive dissonance that may cause with copious amounts of virtue signalling and Xanax." - William Gruff @ 40 Thanks for the tip. Now where's my veterinary text textbook...

Horse lives matter!

How am I doing so far?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 26 2021 0:23 utc | 67

This is the problem with mRNA vaccines:

Japan suspends use of Moderna vaccine

It is noted that the particle size of the impurity is several millimeters. These drugs were in vaccination centers in five Japanese prefectures, including Tokyo.

I have nothing against the mRNA technology in theory. But there's an abyss that separates theory from practice in biological sciences, even larger than the one present in STEM.

If you don't have the appropriate manufacturing technology to produce the mRNA vaccines, they won't serve. Fancy theories and lab-scale-only technologies are worth nothing for mass vaccinations if you don't have the corresponding factories to produce them, or worse, if you can't even dominate/tame the technology yet.

Posted by: vk | Aug 26 2021 0:39 utc | 68

@62 Paul

Mexico, Colombia, Belarus, Serbia have no restrictions. There are many others (eg, Ecuador) that require a negative test, but no vaccine. Also, others that require kwarenteen, but no vaxeen.

Posted by: Platero | Aug 26 2021 1:24 utc | 69

The kids now 7 and under are going to end up living in personal bubbles because they won't have built immunity to anything.

Posted by: Platero | Aug 26 2021 1:27 utc | 70

@62 Paul - Is anyone aware of any other country where no jab is required to enter?

The US is one. Mexico doesn't even require a test beforehand, but the airline probably will to let you on the plane. Scanning a quick search suggests only half a dozen countries in the world currently require a jab to enter - don't know the details.

Many countries are not requiring vaccination to enter, but are also not waiving a negative test requirement if you are vaccinated.

Also, all of this can change in an instant for any country, so pick the country or countries you're interested in and search their consulate/visa requirements for current information.

This diligence has always been necessary to travel from one country to another. One needs to keep one's plans somewhat flexible, and have alternatives in the back pocket.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 26 2021 1:38 utc | 71

@ Paul | 57

My stuff came from Khun Sa. Diplomatic pouches through Taiwan to the Fairmont Hotel in SF to be distributed. It was incredible stuff.
As relates to the great Mr. Ruppert.........I often copped dope straight out of the SFPD evidence room at the main police station at 850 Bryant St. for years.

Posted by: Annoymouse | Aug 26 2021 2:11 utc | 72

Posted by: Platero | Aug 26 2021 1:24 utc | 69

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 26 2021 1:38 utc | 71

I asked:
"Is anyone aware of any other country where no jab is required to enter"?

Thank you both for your interesting information.

The informed barflies at this bar know something about most subjects. Of course our host is well informed too. Human search engines! Cheers.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 26 2021 2:21 utc | 73

@ 63 Karlof1

Are we talking past each other?

With my post, I was trying to show that vaccination status does not offer conclusive evidence for why there are more rural clinical cases than urban.

I offered a couple of reasons why this is:

1) rural are generally more elderly and have a great propensity for ill-health, mostly due to obesity and diabetes

2) they are more likely to disregard distancing, etc., to a much larger degree (i.e. they are partying and enjoying their life in blatant disregard for the state's covid advisory measures)

3) the urban vaccinated are visiting the rural unvaccinated and bringing the vaccine-dodging mutant variants with them

With my post, I was merely trying to show why there would be an uptick in clinical covid hospital visits in rural areas and WHY vaccine-status can not be considered a scientific explanation as to why the uptick.

It was in response to b's blatant pro-vaxxx propaganda graph from his last open thread which was created and shared to dismiss legitimate questions about the vaccine's efficacy.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 26 2021 2:27 utc | 74

ZH has a posting up and the title is

Even Mainstream Media Is Now Asking Big Questions About Covid Vaccines

I liked one of the twitter quotes in it where someone says

I can't wait to see the triple-vaxxers PISSED at the double-vaxxers...

While the article says that chasing the variants with vaccines is like whack-a-mole lottery they say nothing about the available Ivermectin based prophylaxis approach to Covid management....sad how deep the propaganda is.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 26 2021 3:00 utc | 75

@75 psychohistorian

What's even more sad is how hard it's getting to find ivermectin. I saw a photocopy of a customs notice today where they impounded ivermectin that someone had ordered from outside the country. And Amazon apparently is sold out of the horse paste.

Mafia is cracking down on competition.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 26 2021 3:46 utc | 76

I wanna see more of THIS in the amerikan senate how about others?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 26 2021 4:23 utc | 77

End the Imperial Presidency, by Stephen Wertheim, from the Carnegie Endowment, for the NYT

I think this will happen naturally, but not the way Mr. Wertheim imagines.

As I've been saying here for some time now, I think the most likely scenario is that the USA will degenerate slowly instead of collapsing, sliding inexorably into some kind of Byzantine stage of its imperial decay.

In this hypothetical scenario, what I think will happen is that the POTUS will continue to be an emperor, but an emperor with less universality. As such, he will, in practice, become more like a king than the literal head of the Executive which the office originally was until the War of Secession (1861-5).

Now, this may or may not come with more pomp, to this or that side. The POTUS' imperial titles may be ritualistically stripped away by the Congress (Legislative) while he retains them de facto; or the POTUS may receive even more imperial titles by the Congress and Senate, but without any practical (except for the propaganda effect to the masses) consequences. The USA may or may not insist - like the Roman Empire in the East - on its universality (Manifest Destiny); personally, I think it will, but that's uncertain, given the postmodern strength in the ideology of the American masses. The Empire will shrink regardless.

Posted by: vk | Aug 26 2021 4:27 utc | 78

@ Grieved | Aug 26 2021 3:46 utc | 76 who wrote about Ivermectin

Mafia is cracking down on competition.

Where are the attorneys filing class action lawsuits against the health care system that committing this public safety criminality? The Mafia only understands being stood up to like China, Russia, Iran, now Afghanistan and other countries are doing.

I was telling someone today that America looks like that last place that will come to their senses about Covid and the mRNA Big Pharma income streams reality as well as the lies that kept Ivermectin based therapy from saving thousands of lives....will any be prosecuted?

Rally the enlightened and socially motivated attorneys to take down the curtain of lies and deceit around the creation/manipulation of Covid for civilization warfare including financial bleeding of US Treasury, health care pandemic misrepresentation and outright lying about the need for the mRNA "vaccines".

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 26 2021 4:29 utc | 79

I noticed that today's graun had an article designed to excuse the usuk FU by claiming the Taleban 'cheated' by using social media - not particularly interesting except it alleged the Taleban have had their own web site for quite some time, called Al Emarah.
I did a web search on Yandex for that site and came up with which I then tried to visit. It didn't mater what nation's vpn I used every attempt came back with a message saying that the DNS server was unable to resolve an IP address for that site.
This is a truly nasty form of censorship as alternative DNS servers seem hard to come by. Natch I didn't bother to try the Google 'service' since that prolly censors even worse while it reports all enquiries to Mr Big, but I would be interested if anyone has managed to get on the al emarah site and if so what IP address it is currently using.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 26 2021 4:35 utc | 80

@ Debsisdead | Aug 26 2021 4:35 utc | 80 with the report of Orwellian DNS control

I agree with your concern and that web site is also not available from Oregon, USA.

Are there DNS resolvers in other countries that I can add to my DNS list that might include the Western censored web sites? Is web bifurcation in our future as part of the civilization war we are in?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 26 2021 4:47 utc | 81

Richard Medhurst gives us a 30 minute take down of the truly evil Tony Bliar who still praises the occupation of Afghanistan. A 30 minute utoob condemnation worth watching if you can stand to revisit the Bliar lies and deceit.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 26 2021 5:33 utc | 82

Grieved | Aug 25 2021 17:04 utc | 1
cirsium | Aug 25 2021 21:40 utc | 50

The Malone segment on Bannon's site is short and, well, rather hard to follow.

The following is excerpted from Malone's site:

FDA Pfizer authorization (Comirnaty): Key points to consider and discuss.

These points are an aggregate of many minds, including Dr. Robert Malone., 23 Aug 2021

There are now TWO LEGALLY distinct (Pfizer vs. BionTech), but otherwise identical products, based on two FDA letters, as well as a press release.  The analysis of these FDA products below is preliminary and subject to change.

An analysis of the these FDA letters and press release is linked here [full pdf]:


FDA Pfizer authorization (Comirnaty): Key points to consider and discuss

• Using CDC published methods we estimate under-reporting of VAERS deaths to be 5-15x. for a total of 30,000-90,000 deaths, mostly non-C19. Underreporting for life threatening events may be 24-64x

• IN ADDITION – (Israel MOH, combined with Dagan study), we have estimated between 35-86,000 EXCESS USA deaths due to Covid in those vaccinated (>=1 dose).

Total range of deaths that may be associated with C19 vaccines – 65,000-176,000.(can’t assign causality)

• Note total C19 deaths in USA since start of vaccination – about 300,000.

These alarming safety signals, related to death, along with a host of cardiac,neurological, and thromboembolic events warrant to adoption of the term: Post Covid Vaccine Syndrome – pCoVS

o A syndrome occurring after injection of antigen-inducing, gene therapy vaccines to SARS-Cov-2 virus. The syndrome is currently understood to manifest variously as cardiac, vascular, hematological, musculoskeletal, intestinal, respiratory or neurologic symptoms of unknown long-term significance, in addition to effects on gestation. Manifestations of the syndrome may be mediated by the spike protein antigen induced by the delivered nucleic acids, the nucleic acids themselves, or vaccine adjuvants. As more data become available, subsets and longer-term consequences of pCoVS may become apparent, requiring revision of this definition. Sub-categories may be designated by suffix for example:

§ -C Cardiac
§ -N Neurologoc
§ -H Hematologic
§ -V Vascular

Posted by: pogohere | Aug 26 2021 5:38 utc | 83

One more comment for the day....

I read somewhere today that China is opening its municipal bond market to the outside world. It just occurred to me what a potential blow that could be to the US bond market which might see a huge hit along with less countries buying US Treasuries to fund more wars and simultaneous infrastructure pork barrel spending...

The US has already been buying something like $60 billion a month of its own debt (MMT anyone?) for over a year I think now. What happens when the MMT type debt purchase amount while at the same time shoveling massive ZIRP money to private banks comes out of the closet? Is that when the Fat Lady sings the Global Derivative song?

The shit show continues until it doesn't

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 26 2021 5:40 utc | 84

The crime against humanity continues in Gaza. The United Nations is a disgrace.

Worth a scroll through the devastation. "Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has likened Israel’s periodic offensives to mowing an unruly lawn. But Israel’s policy of degrading Hamas – and inflicting a toll designed to undermine its public support – makes little pretense of resolving Gaza’s deepening crisis. And international efforts focus only on relief and reconstruction. Meanwhile, each war has boosted approval of Hamas, often when it was flagging."

Just keep scrolling and scrolling while the killing goes on.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 26 2021 5:53 utc | 85

Miles Mathis on the COMIRNATY hoax......

Several outlets have been quick to call this out as yet another fraud perpetrated by the criminals at Big
Pharma, including Robert Kennedy, Infowars, and NaturalNews. I link you to the last one as the one I
think is the strongest. The article at Infowars is pretty weak, but I expect an update.
To start with, there has been no approval of any Moderna, AstraZeneca, or Johnson&Johnson vaccines.
The news reports say the vaccine has been approved, but the FDA announcement applies only to Pfizer.
But even regarding Pfizer, this is basically the old bait and switch, since Pfizer has created a new legal
entity called COMIRNATY to replace its BIOTECH vaccine. We are told they are the same, but if so
why rename it? That should be a huge red flag: seeing a renaming at the same time as an alleged FDA
approval. Why wouldn't the FDA just approve the existing BIOTECH vaccine? Plus, do we have any
proof they are the same? No. Pfizer admits they are separate entities in the new filings, and that is
obvious regardless. In any legal document, a name switch implies a legal change. Any name change in
a legal document implies either a real change, or some sort of switcheroo. Any honest judge would
spot this in a second.
But for now that hardly matters, because they admit COMIRNATY is still in production, and that most
or all the existing Pfizer vaccine is BIOTECH. So they have approved a vaccine that does not exist.
Which means all the actual vaccine in existing vials now being pushed on the military and government
employees and college students IS NOT APPROVED. It is still emergency-use vaccine, which cannot
be mandated. Therefore, it still can be legally refused. Any court martial will fail.
I predict they never will produce any COMIRNATY, or if they do it will never hit the shelves. Why?
Because they prefer emergency-use vaccines, for which they have zero liability


Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 26 2021 6:16 utc | 86

Have the Taliban Really Changed?

Siriana Analysis hosts a good discussion between Jay Tharappel and Kevork Almassian. Talking heads on utoob and erudite discussion for 40 minutes.

I have stumbled across this via GEROMAN twitter site. It seems a good channel so I will dig further.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 26 2021 7:06 utc | 87

Follow the money.....

Like BlackRock and Larry Fink:

"Electric vehicle charging is poised to become a multi-billion dollar industry in Australia as the country catches up with the EV Revolution, says JOLT Charge CEO Doug McNamee.

The Australian start-up has just secured a major investment from global investment giant BlackRock Real Assets, a $100 million capital injection provided over time to underpin its plans to eventually roll out 5000 of its fast charging stations across Australia.

Electric vehicle take up in Australia has lagged rapid growth markets like Europe to date, with figures from the Electric Vehicle Council this week showing just 0.78% of new vehicle sales in Australia in 2020 were EVs, compared to 10.7% in the UK and an incredible 74% in Norway.

That compares to a 4.2% average worldwide, although the 8688 EVs sold in 2021 to date represent 1.57% of light vehicle sales and have already outstripped the record of 6900 sales in CY2020.

But BlackRock has already flagged its investment in JOLT from the US$4.8 billion Global Renewable Power Fund will not be its last in Asia-Pacific charging networks, and McNamee says electric vehicle charging infrastructure will eventually be big business in Australia".

Posted by: Paul | Aug 26 2021 7:38 utc | 88

United airlines has had 2-3 employees dying each week, recently (just heard on the radio and wanted to verify)
... but it was unnecessary to ground flights, because the slaves need their 'summer holiday' (and spread it far and wide) ?
"It's the money, stupid"

Posted by: Mina | Aug 26 2021 8:06 utc | 89

What it is that Rwanda can do that "brother" countries sharing the Islamic faith cannot do??
(on a Qatar flight, haha)

Rwanda now #1 in refugee re-accomodation business (Uganda following)

Posted by: Mina | Aug 26 2021 8:19 utc | 90

Turkish troops finally leave Kabul (no more Qatar flights to secure?)

Posted by: Mina | Aug 26 2021 8:20 utc | 91

Could Gilbert and Sullivan's ' Pirates of Penzance' or 'The Mikado', for example, be adapted, as they do, with topical issues, to the world's modern predicament?

We all need a laugh, it would be a hoot on video! I'd pay to watch it.

The Wagnerian synthesis of the arts would be too heavy and real for a re-run of Gottadammarung. We can watch that in real time for free.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 26 2021 8:20 utc | 92

Letter be Craig Murray Aug 19 2021 From HMP Saughton,_united_against_us

Posted by: Tom | Aug 26 2021 8:30 utc | 93

Posted by: Tom | Aug 26 2021 8:30 utc | 93

Thanks Tom, the ideal UK ambassador to the new Afghanistan is, sadly, rotting in prison. What a wasted opportunity.for the UK and the world to actually make a difference.

I am reminded of Captain Sir Richard Burton, UK consul to Damascus 1868- 1871.

I have an excellent and revealing booklet published by The Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, titled, appropriately:

"The Jew the Gipsy and El-Islam: An Examination of Richard Burton's consulship In Damascus and His Premature Recall, 1868- 1871"

Burton, a great linguist, explorer and diplomat had a moral compass, like Craig Murray. He was employed by HMG, not Sir Moses Montifiore and The Alliance Isralite Universelle and he paid the price.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 26 2021 8:59 utc | 94

Me and james had a short exchange on the managerial 'class' the other day. I remember reading a Marxian academic from Canada who was critical of the concept a while a go, but I don't remember his name or the address of his website.

Is there a barfly out there who can help me find him again?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 26 2021 9:52 utc | 95

Grieved @ 71

Many countries are not requiring vaccination to enter...

At the moment Australian citizens are not permitted to leave their country, adding a neat tyrannical twist to our rapidly evolving prison planet...

so, better get to where you want to be while the getting is still good.

Looks like the hammer's coming down.

Posted by: john | Aug 26 2021 10:16 utc | 96

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 26 2021 5:53 utc | 85

thanks uncle T. You are right what is happening in historic Palestine it is a crime against humanity.

It is compounded by what is known as a 'Visious Circle', definition: 'A chain of circumstances, in which the solving of the problem creates a new problem, which makes the original problem more difficult of solution, this is by the design of the ugly Zionists.

The original problem was the colonisation of Palestine by Khazar alien Invaders, facilitated by captive UK politicians like Lord Balfour et al, see, "Balfour in the Dock, JMN Jeffries & The Case for the Prosecution,' by the great Australian historian, scholar and author, Colin Andersen.

History teaches us this horror will not last,.Viva Palestina.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 26 2021 10:42 utc | 97

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 26 2021 4:35 utc | 80

I didn't have a problem getting into alemarahenglish ( It didn't work the first time, but it did the second. Bit like all the jihadi sites with wobbly servers located in unknown places.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 26 2021 11:08 utc | 98

@Gordog.....I am looking forward to your essay regarding the space race! Any idea when you will publish?
Best Regards.

Posted by: octa | Aug 26 2021 12:16 utc | 99

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 26 2021 6:16 utc | 86

"It is still emergency-use vaccine, which cannot be mandated. Therefore, it still can be legally refused. Any court martial will fail."
I don't think that is correct.
As I understand it the Federal law prevents liability for Big Pharma and the Federal govt. That means federal employees can be required to be vaccinated without any possibility of legal consequences. However, there may well be severe political consequences if unlicensed vaccines are required by law for federal employees. The politicians want the FDA stamp of approval to cover their asses if anything goes wrong.

Local govts and businesses do not enjoy protection from legal liability so they have both legal and political concerns to worry about if they require people to be vaccinated.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 26 2021 12:31 utc | 100

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