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August 19, 2021
Open Thread 2021-63
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Bit of provocative humor I heard on the vaccination passport front:
As with most humor, there’s a lot of penetrating possibility in that one. Posted by: Grieved | Aug 20 2021 1:59 utc | 101 @ wagelaborer | Aug 20 2021 1:38 utc | 96 who wrote about the Covid debacle in the USA Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2021 2:06 utc | 102 By the way, the treatment drug that Governor Abbot’s receiving for his SARS-CoV-2 disease:
Just encountered an attorney today who had COVID a few weeks back. Her doctor prescribed ivermectin and I think some steroidals and/or anti-inflammatory medicines. She was fine in 2-3 days, and has the added bonus of acquired immunity now (the gold standard of immunity). Posted by: Grieved | Aug 20 2021 2:15 utc | 103 Regarding the shortage of ICU beds: it takes nurses to bring a hospital bed into service. I read about a Texas hospital today whose manager said she could bring 100 more (non ICU) beds into service but doesn’t have the staff to do it:
Note that while much of the article is reportage with direct quotes from hospital admins and other such sources, this one paragraph is entirely unsupported by anything. It is in fact boilerplate. This is the boilerplate understanding that the writer has and spreads like any infection to all who read her. And it will remain her standard boilerplate understanding until something very significant shifts that understanding. Posted by: Grieved | Aug 20 2021 2:38 utc | 104 So, the Covid pandemic is a giant Psy-ops ploy to control us all? Posted by: vetinLA | Aug 20 2021 2:47 utc | 105 P.S.; Meanwhile, the empire tightens it’s financial grip on workers, through the distraction…. Posted by: vetinLA | Aug 20 2021 2:51 utc | 106 Re:Roger @90 on Canada and Roger and vk @various on Japan Posted by: William Haught | Aug 20 2021 3:02 utc | 107 Do people want to know why and how the US got off so lightly after the Viet Nam war? The same is happening in Afghanistan right now. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 20 2021 3:17 utc | 108 vk @67 etc Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 20 2021 3:46 utc | 109 Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 20 2021 1:38 utc | 96 Posted by: james | Aug 20 2021 4:04 utc | 110 by: vk @ 26 & 31 Posted by: snake | Aug 20 2021 4:07 utc | 111 @105 Sunny Runny Burger – ” US will continue to circle above like vultures” Posted by: Grieved | Aug 20 2021 4:29 utc | 112 Gov Abbott is despised as much as Trump was by the big city Democraps and the liberal press in Texas. How hard would it be to Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 20 2021 4:42 utc | 113 The MSM seem reluctant to follow up on the opening of Bagram and other prisons. Fear that the AfD could make 70% in the September elections? Posted by: Mina | Aug 20 2021 4:44 utc | 114 @108 snake – “blocking S1 spike attachment with ACE-2 Receptor” Posted by: Grieved | Aug 20 2021 4:46 utc | 115 Scott Ritter: Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 20 2021 4:53 utc | 116 @vk #17 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 4:54 utc | 117 @101 Grieved Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 20 2021 4:57 utc | 118 @wagelaborer #96 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 5:01 utc | 119 @ Grieved | Aug 20 2021 4:46 utc | 112 who wrote about Afghanistan producing its own scrip/money Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2021 5:05 utc | 120 Grieved @ 101 Posted by: circumspect | Aug 20 2021 5:10 utc | 121 @118 circumspect Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 20 2021 5:16 utc | 122 @115 NemesisCalling
I offer this in case it gives you anything that may help you in your struggle. I personally feel there are massive class-action lawsuits sitting on the horizon in the US, and they run along these kinds of lines. Posted by: Grieved | Aug 20 2021 5:28 utc | 123 @ snake (#108), please be practical. Explain in detail how it will address corruption and extortion. Talk is cheap. Share real life examples. Posted by: Max | Aug 20 2021 5:34 utc | 124 @ Grieved | Aug 20 2021 5:28 utc | 120 with the carefully worded support for NemesisCalling Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2021 5:39 utc | 125 S.P. Koreela #106 Posted by: Uncle tungsten | Aug 20 2021 5:46 utc | 126 @ grieved Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 20 2021 5:58 utc | 127 Grieved | Aug 20 2021 2:38 utc | 101
[emphasis addded] Posted by: pogohere | Aug 20 2021 6:11 utc | 128 Just in the last three months, Delta has been seeded by the UEFA and the Olympics committee in countries where there had been no wave of importance previously. Even a mainstream guy like Dr Campbell called the Euro championship a super seeding event. Posted by: Mina | Aug 20 2021 7:32 utc | 129 uncle tungsten @126 Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 20 2021 8:43 utc | 130 I took the J&J vax when it first came out only because I wanted to visit my grandchildren in Switzerland one last time. I am pretty sure it was a factor in my having a mild stroke 6 weeks later. Now that I made it to Lake Geneva I fear I may not be able to return home in october without a booster they feel entitled to make you jump thru any hoop to board a plane. Impossible to be anti-vax and fly! Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 20 2021 9:13 utc | 131 Misha Gorbaty still selling his snake oil, praising the virtues of Perestroika, some call it Katastroika, Glasnost and Pizza Hut. Misha, history will not be kind with you, you gave away a superpower for a pizza with a shake, really pitiful. Posted by: Paco | Aug 20 2021 10:06 utc | 132 I am totally fed up with America. As a Norwegian, my country is one of the chiefmost puppetts, doing everything they ask about. Posted by: Harald | Aug 20 2021 10:07 utc | 133 Xymphora’s take today: Posted by: Paul | Aug 20 2021 10:18 utc | 134 Bed sheets or spreadsheets?
The video criticizes the standard treatment protocol. Evidently “Protocol” is the same business model that delivered Afghanistan to the Taliban. Results do not matter. All that counts is the cashflow. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 20 2021 10:35 utc | 135 You can be sure there will be huge celebrations for Sept. 11, even if they did not do anything in it. Posted by: Mina | Aug 20 2021 10:43 utc | 136 Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 20 2021 10:35 utc | 135
Actually my response was to: pogohere | Aug 20 2021 6:11 utc | 128 Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 20 2021 10:43 utc | 137 @S.P. Korolev | Aug 20 2021 3:46 utc | 109: “Can anyone provide a link to recent data on the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against Delta?”
Posted by: Cemi | Aug 20 2021 11:23 utc | 138 By reading on, I saw the other link. Of course, everyone is free to stay in echo chambers like SWPRS or the like. Choose what suits you best. 😉 Posted by: Cemi | Aug 20 2021 11:34 utc | 139 “This video is going to cover a pharmaceutical scandal that involves mysterious drug origins, unusual patent histories, inadequate clinical trials, deceptive marketing slogans Posted by: ADKC | Aug 20 2021 12:01 utc | 140 This delusional Trumpist anti-vaxxer movement relies on the “totality of evidence”. This includes among others empirical observations and epidemiological data. Posted by: jinn | Aug 20 2021 12:08 utc | 141 Afghanistan Posted by: migueljose | Aug 20 2021 12:25 utc | 142 Just who are all these “Americans” still trapped in Afghanistan? Posted by: librul | Aug 20 2021 12:39 utc | 143 Just in case you find yourself believing even 1% of the shite that the media has been spewing lately regarding Afghanistan, heres a useful twitter thread as a primer on the actual history of Afghanistan, (as oppossed to western shite history spewed by the media) Posted by: IceCream Joe | Aug 20 2021 12:57 utc | 144 “If the Russian Federation wasn’t such a monumental failure, Russian people wouldn’t miss the USSR so much.” Posted by: Harry | Aug 20 2021 13:14 utc | 145 With respect to Japan and stagnation, one major factor that we might consider is the fact that a lot of Japan’s export market in the U.S. was lost to Korea and then China. Think about the effects of losing some or a lot of these markets: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 20 2021 13:37 utc | 146 Getting to the Airport ! ! ! the new Khyber pass Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 20 2021 13:47 utc | 147 Willy2 @78: Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 20 2021 14:00 utc | 148 @Harald | Aug 20 2021 10:07 utc | 133
Welcome to the club, Harald!! Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 20 2021 14:08 utc | 149 As we contemplate things like money, technology, infrastructure for Afghanistan, here is some demographic info: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 20 2021 14:09 utc | 150 BTW total debt/gdp ratio doesn’t tell you that much, since one mans debet is an other mans asset. A higher numer means that the economy is more volitile, in case in case of a downturn a lot of people might default, and that could trigger some cascading effects. I would say over 800 percent is… not good. Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 20 2021 14:15 utc | 151 The Afghanistan Disaster is used to isolate Biden, perhaps even designed to do so. Nobody knows who is in charge in the airport in Kabul, VP Harris hides and so does everybody else in the chaotic government. Biden is more valuable to them dead than alive now, so I would not bee too surprised if something happened. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 20 2021 14:29 utc | 152 About the governor of Texas, Abbott, story: Posted by: Platero | Aug 20 2021 14:41 utc | 153 @Jörgen Hassler #150 Posted by: Billb | Aug 20 2021 14:41 utc | 154 @149 Tom Pfotzer Posted by: ptb | Aug 20 2021 14:49 utc | 155 @154 ptb: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 20 2021 15:07 utc | 156 people who say “No’ to the vaccine ought please say “No’ to medical care if they get sick. My family members [four doctors, two nurses] are exhausted, demoralized and I really wish they could stop treating unvaccinated persons eligible for the vaccine. Posted by: nurse.comic | Aug 20 2021 15:20 utc | 157 @ Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 20 2021 3:46 utc | 109 Welcome to the club, Harald!! Posted by: Harald | Aug 20 2021 15:32 utc | 159 Posted by: nurse.comic | Aug 20 2021 15:20 utc | 159 Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 20 2021 15:34 utc | 160 @ Tom Pfotzer (#148), Japan is a suzerainty with a private central bank (BOJ). It hasn’t done well because of its major mistakes. Posted by: Max | Aug 20 2021 15:35 utc | 161 Western Civilization? More like Crackhead Civilization: Some guys are having fun Posted by: Mina | Aug 20 2021 15:38 utc | 163 @vk | Aug 20 2021 15:24 utc | 160
You have no idea what you are talking about. We have all the EU rules even though we voted NO twice (1972 and 1994). Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 20 2021 15:49 utc | 164 Thank you, migueljose @ 142 Posted by: juliania | Aug 20 2021 16:05 utc | 165 @161 Max: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 20 2021 16:09 utc | 166 Billb @154: Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 20 2021 16:12 utc | 167 Thank you, migueljose @ 142 – the discussion you link is absorbing! Pepe’s first comment is to the ‘coronavirus effect of the snake biting its own tail’ and so to the story of the new afghanistan as he has been an observer. Well worth scheduling the time to absorb it all, even if only in segments, as I will be doing this morning and following mornings. Excellent so far, excellent! Posted by: juliania | Aug 20 2021 16:13 utc | 168 How interesting that at least X folks live in Nanimo, BC; others in fascist Canada too. Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 16:24 utc | 169 Apologies for the double post – my battery was needing recharging, and on first return I thought my post hadn’t made it in time. Still, the thanks deserved a double emphasis, so as my son would say, it’s all good. Posted by: juliania | Aug 20 2021 16:26 utc | 170 @vk #158 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 16:31 utc | 171 @ Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 16:31 utc | 171 This is kind of a big deal:
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 16:46 utc | 173 @Jörgen Hassler #167 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 16:54 utc | 174 @172 vk: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 20 2021 16:59 utc | 175 I have a question. Does everyone remember the MOAB Trump dropped on Nangarhar province in 2017? What the heck was that about? (Suppose I could search MofA for b’s comments.) Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 20 2021 17:02 utc | 176 @ Tom Pfotzer (#166), Japan and the U$A suffer from groupthink. They can’t solve their challenges as long as they’re suzerainties, and not sovereign. Their rulers and lackeys are slaves of riches and happy. Gandhalf’s team will fix the situation. “In God We Trust” Posted by: Max | Aug 20 2021 17:06 utc | 177 COVID: Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 17:11 utc | 178 Promising news:
That means either that doctor Zhong is confident China will be able to keep the Delta variant at bay and/or that the average Chinese vaccine has kept its efficacy against the Delta variant. Any combination of those hypotheses is very good news. Snaken @ 111 “In summary, though the Covid-19 vaccine triggered an immune response within the body, it did not seem to stop the spread of the virus throughout the body which caused his organs to fail” Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 17:12 utc | 180 @Tom Pfotzer #175 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 17:17 utc | 181 @ Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 17:11 utc | 178
Grieved @ 104 Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 17:56 utc | 183 Watched Merkel’s farewell press conference with Vladimir, hard to judge since Merkel I get translated which takes away a lot, but on a personal level and after sixteen years working together they were two ice cubes when it comes to personal contact, empathy or sympathy, zero. Posted by: Paco | Aug 20 2021 17:57 utc | 184 Re: Norwegian | Aug 20 2021 14:29 utc | 152 (and probably others) Posted by: William Haught | Aug 20 2021 17:59 utc | 185 Hey fearless MoA community, seeing that numerous people have suggested that the Taliban’s pending administration should be mining sites like this for advice…. why not? Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 18:07 utc | 186 Posted by: Paco | Aug 20 2021 17:57 utc | 184 Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 20 2021 18:07 utc | 187 Re: nurse.comic | Aug 20 2021 15:20 utc | 157 Posted by: William Haught | Aug 20 2021 18:16 utc | 188 Further to my comment @ 176 – over chocolate cake with China Trump announces the drop of the Mother of All Bombs. Wait, that was that other bombing, never mind. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 20 2021 18:16 utc | 189 I mentioned in another comment that China could show Afghanistan the results of its Digital Yuan pilot if not provide the backing for such. … Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 18:18 utc | 190 Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 20 2021 18:07 utc | 187 Posted by: Paco | Aug 20 2021 18:19 utc | 191 Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 20 2021 15:34 utc | 160 Posted by: William Haught | Aug 20 2021 18:24 utc | 192 I was also thinking of starting a club. Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 18:24 utc | 193 “people who say “No’ to the vaccine ought please say “No’ to medical care if they get sick. My family members [four doctors, two nurses] are exhausted, demoralized and I really wish they could stop treating unvaccinated persons eligible for the vaccine. Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 18:37 utc | 194 nurse.comic | Aug 20 2021 15:20 utc | 157 Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 18:39 utc | 195 ” Let’s do it?? Discuss on Resett my Friend… Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 18:49 utc | 196 “LOL. Thanks for expressing the satire in your ‘handle’ so we know how to take your comment.” gottlieb @ 160 Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 20 2021 18:55 utc | 197 Posted by: Paco | Aug 20 2021 18:19 utc | 191 Take a look at the Guardian’s website . . . Posted by: corvo | Aug 20 2021 19:00 utc | 198 Posted by: Paco | Aug 20 2021 18:19 utc | 191 Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 20 2021 19:05 utc | 199 @179 vk Posted by: ptb | Aug 20 2021 19:09 utc | 200 |
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