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August 19, 2021
Open Thread 2021-63
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We had a discussion here a few months back about a major RAND report outlining their new recommendations to annoy and undermine Russia. It came across more as petty than thoughtful. Now apparently with almost eerie timing, published just before the Afghanistan meltdown, they have published a new opus suggesting that the very best way for the US to backfoot Russia and China is to be baffling and unpredictable. https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RBA448-1.html Posted by: J Swift | Aug 19 2021 13:31 utc | 1 @ J Swift | Aug 19 2021 13:31 utc | 1 Posted by: MarkU | Aug 19 2021 13:56 utc | 2 Oddly perhaps, I have always thought of those ‘think tank’ organisations as lobbyists, When have any of them been ‘off message’ when it comes down to it? Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 19 2021 14:15 utc | 3 Mike Pompeo is a good example of “excellence” of thought in the US… first in his class at West Point! Must be a genius! Posted by: Simplicius | Aug 19 2021 14:22 utc | 4 Sorry, may have given a bad link. Try this: Posted by: J Swift | Aug 19 2021 14:22 utc | 5 as long as it’s not the USM itself that is to blame for the “debacle” in Afghanistan, as long as donkeys and elephants bray at each other, the military gravy train, the central hub of corruption around which the wheel of US society revolves, will keep on rolling. but it is curious how it was not the white house or DOS or HUD or Treasury or Dept of Ed that was running the evac from Kabul. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 19 2021 14:26 utc | 6 Most Russians dream of “USSR with gadgets”
Rasmus proposes that sheer existential pressure from China (and, to a lesser extent, Russia) will act as some kind of super-overriding factor on the “animal spirits” of the American capitalist class, in a way they will suspend the normal laws of free market competition (i.e. profitability) so that the American Empire can build another forced industrial surge like that of FDR in the 1940s. Question: What is going on with “toppled” vice-president Saleh in Afghanistan? Posted by: Andres | Aug 19 2021 14:44 utc | 8 Posted by: J Swift | Aug 19 2021 14:22 utc | 5 Posted by: Paco | Aug 19 2021 14:47 utc | 9 Re – Taliban etc. the corporate, for-profit, CIA media is all about mass popular uprisings breaking out all over Afghanistan against Taliban rule. I guess it’s a color revolution free for all with CIA sleeper cells embedded to provoke bad behaviors. Does the Taliban care about western media propaganda? Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 19 2021 14:53 utc | 10 Forgot to put this interesting article: @last_thread:152 Snake, who said (my paraphrase): Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 19 2021 15:02 utc | 12 Even at MIT Posted by: Mina | Aug 19 2021 15:03 utc | 13 One more, Snake: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 19 2021 15:12 utc | 14 Posted by: vk | Aug 19 2021 14:40 utc | 7 Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 15:14 utc | 15 By now I should no longer be surprised, but I am – whenever the disgusting Western propaganda machine is ramped up again for any reason, be it the propagation of another war, be it preparations for another regime change attempt, be it, as is currently the case, the continuation of a lost war with economic means. Posted by: pnyx | Aug 19 2021 15:26 utc | 16 @ Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 15:14 utc | 15 @vk #17 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 19 2021 15:30 utc | 18 Roger@15 Posted by: bystander 04 | Aug 19 2021 15:34 utc | 19 More COVID fun:
California overall numbers: Posted by: c1ue | Aug 19 2021 15:39 utc | 20 @Posted by: vk | Aug 19 2021 15:00 utc | 11 Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 15:42 utc | 21 Very interesting writeup on the US closing of the gold window (temporary hah): Posted by: c1ue | Aug 19 2021 15:43 utc | 22 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 19 2021 15:39 utc | 20 Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 19 2021 15:50 utc | 23 @ Posted by: c1ue | Aug 19 2021 15:39 utc | 20 The Taiwan situation, especially its very weak army, similar in that respect to Afghanistan, is addressed by Politico here . .”The fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban may not have immediate implications for the credibility of U.S. commitment to Taiwan. But the Afghan National Army’s rapid collapse and the American military’s hasty withdrawal highlight an important fact for decision makers in Washington, Taipei and Beijing: The U.S.’ future commitment to defending Taiwan is inherently interconnected with Taiwan’s own commitment to defending itself.” Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 19 2021 15:52 utc | 25 @ Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 19 2021 15:50 utc | 23 The issue with the US is not that it would not be capitalist if it planned effectively, it is that it is now so corrupted and focused on rentier activities and easy labour arbitrage that it is unable to plan effectively. The scum has risen to the top and infected much of the rest, a natural product of 40 years of neoliberalism and financialization. Roger | Aug 19 2021 15:14 utc Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 19 2021 16:00 utc | 27 @gottlieb | Aug 19 2021 15:50 utc | 23
Many were duped, some were not and some knew exactly what they were doing. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2021 16:08 utc | 28 Posted by: vk | Aug 19 2021 15:52 utc | 26 Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 19 2021 16:11 utc | 29 @1 J Swift Posted by: m | Aug 19 2021 16:16 utc | 30 “American media pivoted from “think of all the women & children we’re leavijg behind in Afghanistan” to “think of the lithium & other minerals we’re leaving behind in Afghanistan” in like 3 days” @Posted by: vk | Aug 19 2021 15:29 utc | 17 Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 16:23 utc | 32 @ J Swift | Aug 19 2021 13:31 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Aug 19 2021 16:25 utc | 33 What about 29 February 2020 and 3 March 2020 and the agreements between 1) The Unhinged States of Not Negotiable and the “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States” as a state and is known as the Taliban? and 2)The Unhinged States of Not Negotiable and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan? Posted by: William Haught | Aug 19 2021 16:27 utc | 34 A timely reminder for Ukraine: Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2021 16:31 utc | 35 @ Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 16:23 utc | 32 @ Tom Pfotzer (#12), agree with Snake on sovereign money and self-reliance. It seems like he wants that Afghanistan to become North Korea (communism too?)? Posted by: Max | Aug 19 2021 16:38 utc | 37 Of course, imagine if James Earl Cater did not listen to Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski and Afghanistan was still “communist” (socialist). Posted by: William Haught | Aug 19 2021 16:39 utc | 38 @J Swift ” they have published a new opus suggesting that the very best way for the US to backfoot Russia and China is to be baffling and unpredictable.” Posted by: ian | Aug 19 2021 16:45 utc | 39 https://covidcalltohumanity.org/2021/08/18/ground-breaking-autopsy-report-shows-the-vaccinated-had-toxic-spike-proteins-all-over-the-body/ Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 19 2021 16:45 utc | 40 Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 15:14 utc | 15 Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 19 2021 16:46 utc | 41 https://asiatimes.com/2021/08/china-russia-are-stage-managing-the-taliban/ Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 19 2021 16:48 utc | 42 @ james (#33), so Michael Hudson finally starts using the term “Financial Empire”! He has followed us in using some other terms, “Monetary Imperialism,” “Dollar Empire”… It will be interesting when he uses the term “public credit” or “public credit for private gains”. Posted by: Max | Aug 19 2021 16:50 utc | 43 Posted by: pnyx | Aug 19 2021 15:26 utc | 16 Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 19 2021 16:51 utc | 44 vk @31: Posted by: William Haught | Aug 19 2021 17:15 utc | 45 @Posted by: vk | Aug 19 2021 16:33 utc | 36 Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 17:27 utc | 46 @ Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 17:27 utc | 46 @15 Roger: gotta be the most accurate, succinct and devastating summary of our situation I’ve seen. One of these days let’s ask b to put up a thread on “how to fix this mess” and use your summary as the article lead. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 19 2021 17:45 utc | 48 Paco @ 9 Posted by: ld | Aug 19 2021 17:54 utc | 49 Daily Mail had an article a few days ago about “newly unearthed” information re a third Hunter Biden laptop missing, drugs, prostitutes, Russian agents, blackmail, porn, etc. I guess it wasn’t news here as I heard nothing about it. I don’t want to risk screwing up the format of MoA by making a link posting error, so I’ve only posted the guts of the link below. Apologies if this has been mentioned already. Posted by: spudski | Aug 19 2021 18:01 utc | 50 In the recent past, there have been no reports, or even rumors, about the John Dunham Special Prosecutor investigation — does anyone know if it is still functioning? If yes, is his Grand Jury still empanelled? Posted by: chet380 | Aug 19 2021 18:13 utc | 51 I am looking for info on natural immunity. It might be a problem too. Posted by: Deltaeus | Aug 19 2021 18:20 utc | 52 Successful “resistance” countries in Latin America so far: Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, all took power through a dedicated, radicalized armed cadre. Bolivia is similar and more recent– while they took power through the ballot box the miners and farmers fought and died for years and became a formidable force as shown during the general strike during the one year of fascist rule. The Taliban ARE the military in the new Afghan government. Posted by: migueljose | Aug 19 2021 18:29 utc | 53 @ Tom Pfotzer (#48), we agree on the overall good intent. Posted by: Max | Aug 19 2021 18:39 utc | 54 Posted by: chet380 | Aug 19 2021 18:13 utc | 51 Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 19 2021 18:52 utc | 55 Please share your thoughts on why people don’t seek truth. Why promote media’s propaganda? Posted by: Max | Aug 19 2021 19:04 utc | 56 Posted by: vk | Aug 19 2021 15:00 utc | 11 Posted by: Hal Duell | Aug 19 2021 19:48 utc | 57 Posted by: ld | Aug 19 2021 17:54 utc | 49 Posted by: Paco | Aug 19 2021 19:56 utc | 58 @Posted by: vk | Aug 19 2021 17:43 utc | 47 Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 20:12 utc | 59 Texas governor Gregg Abbott is being treated for COVID-19. Guess which drug he’s taking. Hint: it is not Ivermectin: Re: vk @ 11 Posted by: William Haught | Aug 19 2021 20:16 utc | 61 We should expect a lot of Muslim solidarity and particularly of Turkish-Afghan Sunni solidarity (sic) Posted by: Mina | Aug 19 2021 20:17 utc | 62 @ Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 20:12 utc | 59 Posted by: vk | Aug 19 2021 20:13 utc | 60 Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 19 2021 20:18 utc | 64 William Haught @34, @38: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 19 2021 20:22 utc | 65 David G Horsman @40: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 19 2021 20:26 utc | 66 @ Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 19 2021 20:18 utc | 64
Regarding conversation between, VK <==> Roger Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 19 2021 20:37 utc | 68 How about checking out what Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity is saying. In his last two or three videos the picture that emerges with the Delta strain becoming dominant is that we have a version with an R(0) of between 5 and 9 (spreads perhaps as fast as chickenpox) according to various studies and an IFR perhaps as low as about .05% (perhaps about as deadly as the common cold if we ignore spread) that will take us to herd immunity in about two months. He suspects that infections are far higher than claimed, for there are recently vaccinated (less than 14 days after second dose, if not even afterwards (I’m not clear on that)) with the same viral loads throwing caution to the winds. Posted by: William Haught | Aug 19 2021 20:48 utc | 69 to VK, Roger, re: Japan, and U.S. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 19 2021 20:50 utc | 70 PS Peak Prosperity videos: https://www.youtube.com/c/PeakProsperity/videos https://vimeo.com/user23554896 Posted by: William Haught | Aug 19 2021 20:51 utc | 71 USA doesn’t seem to have god idea’s. They are just making poor or bad politics. So mayby the Rand report is the only what they have left: acting like a fool because the US administration canät find good solutions. Posted by: Mikkael | Aug 19 2021 20:53 utc | 72 Religion matters. In its different forms it binds people together. Posted by: juliania | Aug 19 2021 20:55 utc | 73 Ping The Horseman, oops, I mean Horsman: I think you probably took the wrong test: Posted by: William Haught | Aug 19 2021 21:05 utc | 74 Iran’s raised the stakes at the table, and Hezbollah’s answered: Iran’s raised the stakes at the table, and Hezbollah’s answered: Iran’s raised the stakes at the table, and Hezbollah’s answered: A LOT OF people who visit this website on a regular basis “don’t have a high regard” for “actions of the US” and have a much higher regard for China. These people overlook that the economic situation in China is much “weaker” than many people are aware of. E.g. the chinese debt-to-GDP ratio is (much) hihger than in the US. But there are more countries that have a higher debt-to-GDP than the US. Australia, UK, New Zealand and Canada come to mind. 2 countries in the Far East that have a higher debt-to-GDP ratio are called South Korea and Japan. Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 19 2021 22:16 utc | 78 @David G Horsman, 40
At most, Pfizer et al claimed that the gene therapies mitigated symptoms to prevent hospitalisation. The treatments never provided sterilising immunity so would not stop the virus being transmitted and mutating. The current hospitalisations of people with two injections in regions with a high uptake of the injections looks like Antibody Dependent Enhancement in action. So much for the efficacy of the gene therapy treatments. How many of the human experimental subjects will have to sicken and die before the experiment is halted? Posted by: cirsium | Aug 19 2021 22:20 utc | 80 Another interesting news item out of Nigeria: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 19 2021 22:45 utc | 81 @Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 19 2021 22:16 utc | 75 Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 23:33 utc | 82 @ Willy2 | Aug 19 2021 22:16 utc | 75 hey willy… good to see you posting… how are things in france with the lockdowns and etc? Posted by: james | Aug 19 2021 23:36 utc | 83 @Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 19 2021 22:16 utc | 75 Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2021 23:47 utc | 84 @ 79 roger… here is another source you might appreciate…. cheers james Posted by: james | Aug 19 2021 23:52 utc | 85 i would be curious about public debt to gdp but i don’t see anyone sharing this info… maybe i don’t understand it all as well as i need to… Posted by: james | Aug 19 2021 23:54 utc | 86 @Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 19 2021 20:50 utc | 69 Posted by: Roger | Aug 20 2021 0:03 utc | 87 @Posted by: james | Aug 19 2021 23:54 utc | 83 Posted by: Roger | Aug 20 2021 0:09 utc | 88 @Max #43 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 20 2021 0:10 utc | 89 Religion is, as religion does. Period. Being kind to all and generous, would be a good start, keeping in mind that self defense is the right of all living things on earth. Posted by: vrtinLA | Aug 20 2021 0:11 utc | 90 just sitting around, idly wondering how this empire will finally end. I hope it’s with a whimper, but that’s me being optimistic. Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 20 2021 0:13 utc | 91 Karlof @74: Posted by: Paul Damascene | Aug 20 2021 0:18 utc | 92 Posted by: james | Aug 19 2021 23:52 utc | 82 Posted by: Roger | Aug 20 2021 0:24 utc | 93 Lively discussion on debt! I’ll add this opinion piece from the Toronto Star. There is one small comment in here that may be relevant: “Total debt excludes debt of the financial sector because it is assumed to lend only to the other three sectors and we don’t want to double-count debt.” The three sectors being debt of government, debt of households and debt of non-financial corporations. I suppose – theoretically – in a country with a troubled financial sector, there debts/risk of default might be somewhat hidden in these results? Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 20 2021 0:36 utc | 94 @Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 20 2021 0:36 utc | 91 Posted by: Roger | Aug 20 2021 0:53 utc | 95 @ 90 roger.. thanks! i see you and bruised northerner are getting some insights off that link i provided… for someone who knows how to interpret the data, there is a lot of data to pull from on that site.. unfortunately it is missing some countries data like china for example… Posted by: james | Aug 20 2021 1:21 utc | 96 @ c1ue (#86), who said it before Hudson? What terms was Michael using between 2010-2015? Posted by: Max | Aug 20 2021 1:23 utc | 97 roger – meant to thank you for your response @ 85… regarding canada and the debt bubble… i don’t completely understand how this works, but from my limited understanding the dynamic here in canada is unsustainable… real estate is insane off the charts crazy… unless more people are going to be living on the streets – and that is hard to do in most parts of canada, excluding perhaps the west coast and vancouver island, i just can’t see this as working out… great for investment corps that are buying up and renting what they buy… very bad for the younger generation, unless they are inheriting from their parents and even this i consider very bad… i don’t think this bubble is sustainable and yeah, i think it is a bubble too.. Posted by: james | Aug 20 2021 1:25 utc | 98 As the worldwide economic system toddles towards complete collapse and as the Earth’s ecosystem also heads towards collapse, the barflies discuss how Afghanistan might join the party? Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 20 2021 1:38 utc | 99 Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 20 2021 1:38 utc | 96 Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 20 2021 1:43 utc | 100 |
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