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August 29, 2021

How The CIA Used ISIS-K To Keep Its Afghanistan Business

There is a larger story behind the recent terror events in Afghanistan. Here is an attempt to track it down.

Over the years several reports by the Afghan Analyst Network (AAN) about the Islamic State in Khorasan Province (ISKP or ISIS-K) show that it had grown out of militant groups from Pakistan. A report from 2016 describes extensively how they were fostered by the Afghan state:

The IS fighters who pioneered the Khorasan franchise of the IS were Pakistani militants who had long been settled in the southeastern districts of Nangarhar, in the Spin Ghar mountains or its foothills, bordering the tribal agencies on the Pakistani side of the Durand Line.

Before choosing to join ISKP, these militants operated under different brands, mainly under the umbrella of the ever-loosening Tehrik-e Taleban Pakistan (TTP). The bulk of these militants had been arriving in Nangarhar since 2010 mainly from the Orakzai, North Waziristan and Khyber tribal agencies.

Pakistan alleges that the TTP is supported by RAW, India's secret services. It may have also helped to finance the ISKP outlet.

Hoping to use them against Pakistan, the Afghan government started to woo some of these fighters, according to influential tribal elders involved in helping relation-building from the districts that sheltered the guest militants.
However, efforts by the Afghan intelligence service, the National Directorate of Security (NDS), to woo Pakistani militants in Nangarhar have not been confined to Lashkar-e Islam or to militants from Khyber. Tribal elders and ordinary residents of Achin, Nazian and Kot testify that fighters from Orakzai and Mohmand agencies belonging to different factions of the TTP have been allowed free movement across the province, as well as treatment in government hospitals. When moving outside their hub in Nangarhar’s southern districts, they would go unarmed. In off-the-record conversations with AAN, government officials have verified this type of relationship between segments of the Pakistani militants and the NDS, as have pro-government tribal elders and politicians in Jalalabad. They described this state of affairs as a small-scale tit-for-tat reaction to Pakistan’s broader and longer-ranging, institutionalised support to the Afghan Taleban in their fight against the Afghan government.

The Afghan state's NDS was a CIA proxy agency. During the mid 1990s the intelligence chief of the Northern Alliance, Amrullah Saleh, had been trained by the CIA in the United States. After the U.S. overthrew the Taliban government Saleh became the head of the NDS. The NDS also had extensive relations with India's secret service.

While the U.S. pretended to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) consistent reports from various sides alleged that core ISIS personnel were extracted by unmarked U.S. helicopters from Iraq and Syria and transferred to Nangarhar where they reinforced the ISKP militants.

Hadi Nasrallah @HadiNasrallah - 1:18 UTC · Aug 28, 2021

In 2017 and 2020, Syria’s SANA reported that that US helicopters transported between 40 and 75 ISIS militants from Hasakah, North Syria to an “unknown area”. The same thing was reported for years in Iraq by the PMU along with reports that US helicopters dropped aid for ISIS.

As Alex Rubinstein summarizes:

The list of governments, former government officials, and organizations in the region that have accused the US of supporting ISIS-K is expansive and includes the Russian government, the Iranian government, Syrian government media, Hezbollah, an Iraqi state-sponsored military outfit and even former Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who called the group a “tool” of the United States ...

Like in Iraq and Syria the CIA's fostering of ultra-militant Islamists led to a backlash as the militants increasingly attacked the Afghan state. The U.S. military finally found it necessary to intervene against them. But the fighting against them on the ground was mostly done by the Taliban who for that purpose received direct support from the U.S. air force.

The Taliban operations were successful and a further spread of ISKP in east Afghanistan was prevented. Instead of openly taking more land ISKP then resorted to sensational suicide bombings against vulnerable targets in Kabul. In May 2021, for example, a car bomb placed in front of Hazara girl school in Kabul killed more than 90 people most of them children.

The CIA and the NDS had additional militants at hand to fight against the Taliban. They had grown and built special forces organized in several battalions (NDS-01 to -04 and the Khost Protection Force (KPF). These CIA controlled death squads had their own helicopter support:

As of 2018, the CIA is engaged in a program to kill or capture militant leaders, codenamed ANSOF, previously Omega. CIA manpower is supplemented with personnel assigned from United States Army Special Operations Command.

In mid–2019, the NGO Human Rights Watch stated that "CIA-backed Afghan strike forces" have committed "serious abuses, some amounting to war crimes" since late 2017.

The 2019 HRW report noted:

These strike forces have unlawfully killed civilians during night raids, forcibly disappeared detainees, and attacked healthcare facilities for allegedly treating insurgent fighters. Civilian casualties from these raids and air operations have dramatically increased in the last two years.

After the Taliban took Kabul it became clear that the CIA would have to shut down its 'counterterrorism' program and that it would lose control of a major part of its (drug) business in Afghanistan.

As Kabul was falling at least one of its Afghan units, some 600 soldiers, was ordered to help guard the airport of Kabul.

NDS 01 Unit @NDS_Afghanistan - 11:50 UTC · Aug 17, 2021

We will come
We will serve our countrymen as well .
#انشاء_الله #Kabul #ANDSF

The CIA's Afghan forces manned the gates and guard towers:

The Americans have turned to several hundred commandos from the former Afghan government’s National Directorate of Security to limit access through some airport gates, to keep the crowds from overwhelming the airport.
The former N.D.S. commandos are due to be among the last to leave the country in the evacuation, serving as a rear guard before being airlifted out, according to U.S. and former Afghan officials.

Some of the trigger happy unit got into a friendly fire incident with German soldiers. The CIA Afghan troops at the airport are set to be evacuated. Other units, including the KPF, were reported to be going to the Panjshir valley where a new 'Northern Alliance' under Amrullah Saleh and Ahmad Massoud is supposed to be build. The Taliban are trying to hunt them down.

On Thursday a suicide bomber attacked a gate at the airport in Kabul where many people were trying to get evacuated from Afghanistan. The Islamic State claimed responsibility:

Thursday's suicide bombing in Kabul and the following panic killed more than 150 civilians (some 30 of whom were British-Afghan), 28 Taliban fighters and 13 U.S. troops.

Before the attack happened a Taliban spokesperson had told RT that they had warned the U.S. of an imminent ISPK attack.

It is difficult to understand why the U.S., after it had been warned, did not take more precautions against such an attack.

Most of the casualties of the attack were not caused by the suicide bomber but by guards on the wall and in the guard towers surrounding the airport.  "Most victims" had gun wounds to their upper bodies and the bullets had come from above. This has now been confirmed by multiple sources:

Sangar | سنګر پیکار @paykhar - 1:02 PM · Aug 28, 2021

"Most victims of #KabulAirportBlast were not killed by the blast but by bullets fired at them by the Americans."
Faisal of Kabul Lovers channel interviewed aid workers at Emergency Hospital in #Kabul and this is what they have to say:
Embedded video

U.S. media try to ignore those reports. Only deep down in a long New York Times piece one will find these lines:

For the first time, Pentagon officials publicly acknowledged the possibility that some people killed outside the airport on Thursday might have been shot by American service members after the suicide bombing.

Investigators are looking into whether the gunfire came from Americans at the gate, or from the Islamic State.

It were neither the Americans at the gate nor the Islamic State but most likely the CIA's Afghan death squads in the guard towers who caused the massacre.

The Washington Post analysis of the attack is likewise misleading:

Multiple gunmen then opened fire on the civilians and military forces. A local affiliate of the Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack.

Two days after the attack the CIA CNN published an interview by Clarissa Ward with an alleged ISKP commander said to have been recorded two weeks ago in a hotel in Kabul. Why the CNN blurred the man's face is left unexplained.

As RT mockingly headlines:

‘CIA tweets CIA interview with CIA’: Viewers react to suddenly-released 'eerily prophetic' CNN interview with ISIS-K commander

Also a day after the airport attack the CIA killed an alleged ISKP 'planner' in Jalalabad who had nothing to do with the airport attack.

Dion Nissenbaum @DionNissenbaum - 10:43 UTC · Aug 29, 2021

Exclusive @WSJ video shows aftermath of US drone strike on Islamic State in Afghanistan, which used a "Flying Ginsu" missile. Pentagon says no civilian casualties. Eyewitness says a woman among the four injured.
Exclusive Video Shows Aftermath of U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan

The claim of a 'Flying Ginsu' missile, which contain no explosives, is inconsistent with the heavy shrapnel damage seen in the above linked video.

Now onto the big question.

If ISKP is, as shown above, a CIA/NDS product and if the guards at the airport who killed the 'most victims' in the attack are CIA led Afghan special forces why did all this happen?

We may find the answer in another New York Times piece headlined:

Amid Afghan Chaos, a C.I.A. Mission That Will Persist for Years

As the Afghanistan war wound down, the C.I.A. had expected to gradually shift its primary focus away from counterterrorism — a mission that transformed the agency over two decades into a paramilitary organization focused on manhunts and killing — toward traditional spycraft against powers like China and Russia.

But a pair of deadly explosions on Thursday were the latest in a series of rapidly unfolding events since the collapse of the Afghan government and the Taliban takeover of the country that have upended that plan. Like a black hole with its own gravitational pull, Afghanistan could draw the C.I.A. back into a complex counterterrorism mission for years to come.

The poor CIA - pulled back into an expensive 'counterterrorism' mission in Afghanistan and elsewhere that was supposed to end until ... well, until a CIA created terrorist outlet sent a suicide bomber to Kabul's airport and until CIA led Afghan forces shot up and killed a large crowd of refugees.

One might also call this the deep state's revenge for President Biden's order to retreat from Afghanistan.

This is the same deep state that had brought us four years of a fake 'Russiagate' when a different president was likewise inclined to call U.S. troops back home and to thereby limit the CIA's fields of operation.

To make their point absolutely clear the NYT's CIA authors in their last paragraph issue this not very subtle threat:

Any terrorist attack originating from Afghanistan would expose Mr. Biden to fierce criticism from his political opponents that it was a result of his decision to pull American troops from the country — yet another factor that is likely to bring intense White House pressure on spy agencies to keep a laser focus on Afghanistan.

White House pressure on the spy agencies? No, CIA pressure on the White House to let it stay in its Afghanistan business.

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Pepe Escobar gives a good rundown on the NDS. The Taliban have the nmes od these dudes and they are going hunting. Pepe writing for The Cradle:

"Now Langley has a problem. The Taliban have kept sleeper cells in Kabul since May, and much earlier than that in selected Afghan government bodies. A source close to the Ministry of Interior has confirmed the Taliban actually managed to get their hands on the full list of operatives of the two top CIA schemes: the Khost Protection Force (KPF) and the National Directorate of Security (NDS). These operatives are the prime Taliban targets in checkpoints leading to Kabul airport, not random, helpless ‘Afghan civilians’ trying to escape.

The Taliban have set up quite a complex, targeted operation in Kabul, with plenty of nuance – allowing, for instance, free passage for selected NATO members’ Special Forces, who went into town in search of their nationals.

But access to the airport is now blocked for all Afghan nationals. Yesterday’s double tap suicide-car bombing has introduced an even more complex variable: the Taliban will need to pool all their intel resources, fast, to fight whatever elements are seeking to introduce domestic terror attacks into the country."

Posted by: aussieexpat | Aug 29 2021 16:26 utc | 1

As I pondered the attack by on allied group (IS) on another (US CIA) it turned out the towers gunned down the crowd.

So essentially this was the CIA attacking US Troops and British Citizens along with regular Afghani.

So I am still wondering what the US troops think of all this watching in America? Many of them know all this.

This will fuel extremism, or patriotism depending on your view, at home. The vets were already feeling grumpy.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 29 2021 16:29 utc | 2

Outstanding investigative reporting, B.

Posted by: Dan Lynch | Aug 29 2021 16:32 utc | 3

For the record, Khorasan is the ancient name for Afghanistan

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2021 16:34 utc | 4

The Afghan death squads in the towers? The witnesses specifically stated Americans. Not Turks, Not Afghans, Americans?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 16:43 utc | 5

re: CIA led Afghan forces shot up and killed a large crowd of refugees

The ironic part is that these "refugees" were largely Afghan traitors and their families who had aided and abetted the US invaders/occupiers and were trying to escape punishment. . . .Traitors, Benedict Arnolds, are often executed (Arnold wasn't, he escaped).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2021 16:43 utc | 6

Has anyone posted this or commented about it here or @ TheSaker or Saker Community?

If this is for real? (seems that way to me, too bad I only know English), has translations I have to rely on.

If so, I wonder why it was not removed by J'tube or Shadow banned before I downloaded a copy a while back. I was supprised to find it searching "The hidden truth about Ukraine - Part 1" gives a result with parts one and two as the first two results.

The hidden truth about Ukraine - Part 1
The hidden truth about Ukraine - Part 2

Sounds relevant not only with regard to 02/18/14, but 09/11/01, and 08/26/21 as well as to how false flags can be pulled off. The answer to the bad-faith, supposedly rhetorical trick declarative question, "The conspiracy would involve too many people and someone would squeal for such events to happen" is that like Maidan (if the above videos are the real scoop) even most of the few people at the very top most likely do not know the real mission (under the cover of ostensibly providing "security" or performing Jared's specialty on the '90s TV series now on Heroes & Icons "The Pretender") until the last nanosecond when it is far too late.

Also, why would a link to VK (VKontakte, ВКонта́кте) block comments on Moonofalabama from being posted?

Posted by: William Haught | Aug 29 2021 16:50 utc | 7

A similar and suspicious explosion happened in July 2016 when Afghanistan was facing its largest democratic rallies.

Govt built a wall from containers to block people's flow towards the presidential palace....and somehow a suicide bomber emerged from that side and blew himself up...with 100s dead and some 400 people injured. Most of the dead were university students & graduates.

Taliban denied it as it would have been in their interest to weaken the govt democratically.

With constant spewing of democracy this and democracy that...The western press was mum and so were their politicians. One would think that politicians in the West would have used those rallies to take credit for bringing democracy to Afg....none of that.

Conclusion: Anyone that works or trusts the US or truly believes their values have ended up as a loser both inside and outside of the USA.

Posted by: Afgun | Aug 29 2021 16:51 utc | 8

Oustanding report, b; many thanks for putting it together.
The Company is altogther filthy, despite their new, "progressive" re-branding. What I find even more alarming than the continued (and increasingly brazen) "Mockingbird" news reports, is that many 'merikkkans willingly accept such reports as graven truth. It truly makes one weep for humanity's future.
Thanks again, b.

Posted by: robjira | Aug 29 2021 16:52 utc | 9

thanks b..

at what point does the CIA get reigned in?? or are they now controlling the usa politically and on so many other levels? it sure appears this way, not to mention how the media seems totally beholden to them... when does the usa come to terms with itself?? again - wheels coming off the empire - is an appropriate image to hold to here...

Posted by: james | Aug 29 2021 16:56 utc | 10

Reports of mostly civilians, including 4 children, killed in US airstrike "against ISIS" in Kabul.

"Victims of today's US airstrike close to Kabul airport were all members of a family: 4 children, one woman (mother of the children), and a man (childrens' uncle)."

Posted by: Passer by | Aug 29 2021 17:00 utc | 11

Like I said before, there's no need to overthink this stuff: the CIA has already publicly admitted it was responsible for the suicide bomb attacks in Kabul. There's no mystery here, this is not OSINT: you just have to learn some of the CIA modus operandi and everything becomes clear.

And yes, the quoted NYT (the last one in this blog's post) article was written by the CIA; the journalists who signed that (three total; probably in order to dilute responsibility, given the gravity of the information in it) are - with an 100% certainty, this is not speculation - a CIA asset.

The CIA is the ghost writer of many, if not most, of the apparently investigative journalism articles in those MSM newspapers; the way it works is that the CIA sends it already done to the editor and the editor - who is also a CIA asset, when not an outright agent - handpicks the journalist to just adapt the redaction to the newspaper's style of writing and signing it. The system works because those are a great boon for the journalist's career, as political journalism is the most prestigious form of journalism in the West, so there's self-censorship involved because the benefit is mutual (the journalist got a top-grade investigative article to his curriculum without having to do any hard work).

The CIA is obsessed with literature (magazines) and newspapers since its very foundation. Its predecessor - the OSS - was a nest of young children of the American WASP (Northeastern, Bostonian-New Yorker) elite who wanted to experience the thrills of war without the risk of dying and the material hardships of the front. When the CIA was founded right after, it was infested with these same elites - most of them Harvard or Yale Literature undergraduates - who wanted to experience the thrill of the glamorous spy life, without having to lose contact with the good life of the American northeastern elite. Put things simply, the CIA mainly attracted members of the American traditional elite from New England and New York who wanted, at the same time, to serve their country without having to give up their socialite lifestyles.

That's why the first CIA operations were in the propaganda front (high art, literature magazines, art critic magazines, financing of art expositions in Europe and New York) and why the CIA was, from the very beginning, very fond of NGOs founded by American multi-millionaires (present-day billionaires). The CIA was born with a silver spoon in its mouth.

The fact that the CIA had these origins explains its cruelty. If you're a member of the American Northeastern elite, the rest of the world that is not Western Europe will look like a disposable toy to you. Also, since they were the privileged elite, there was always a system of lack of discipline and accountability to its agents (not assets), as they saw the Government officials and elected officials as their employees (because their parents put them there with their money), not as their bosses. This lack of discipline made the CIA, since its very beginning, to work in a system of "projects": the agent would be promoted or demoted based on the quantity of projects it came up with. Since those agents who had the power to create the projects were the spoiled kids of the American northeastern elite who could not be held responsible the by the public servants, they were put on charge of their own projects. In other words, the CIA agents have the power to create their own operations which they command it themselves, with absolutely no accountability.

This system of "you create and command your own project, no strings attached", combined with the fact that those persons are the spoiled brats from the Northeastern capitalist elite (nowadays, with the rise of the Sun Belt, those are also the spoiled brats from Texas, Maryland and California), resulted in the curious situation where the CIA has become the fountain of the most crazy, megalomaniac and spectacular plans ever conceived in History. To a good illustration of that, I invite you to read the hundreds of plans for the assassination of Fidel Castro, which would make the 007 novels look like a tedious documentary.

Posted by: vk | Aug 29 2021 17:07 utc | 12

Wish I could say I'm shocked, but this is what we've come to expect from our rulers, isn't it?

Is it any wonder why there are so many unhinged conspiracy theorists around - frankly, reality is not much better than the fantasies many of these people have succumbed to.

The good news is that if b. is able to figure this one out, one would think that Russia and China could as well, as would the new Afghan government. Time for them to up their game and expel the Empire from the region once and for all. All in good time, of course.

Posted by: expat | Aug 29 2021 17:08 utc | 13

It were neither the Americans at the gate nor the Islamic State but most likely the CIA's Afghan death squads in the watchtowers who caused the massacre.

I find it hard to believe the US commander on the ground would give the high ground to a bunch of cutthroat militants with this sketchy background.

As Kabul was falling at least one of its Afghan units, some 600 soldiers, was ordered to help guard the airport of Kabul.

Were they deployed to guard the former Afghan air force section of the airport? Were they extracted to another region to fight again another day?

There is a great deal to consider here.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 29 2021 17:11 utc | 14

Don Bacon

I generally look at those who work for US occupation forces the same as thos Who worked for Japanese and Nazi occupation forces in WWII.

This is a link from b's last post

The journalist interviews two witnesses who had family killed. The second one was really pissed because his brother or whoever had worked for the Americans and he said it was Americans, not ... but Americans that shot him. First person interviewed also stated categorically it was US shooters in the tower.
I guess nobody thinks much of traitors.
That the reason I questioned b on the afghan death squads being the shooters. These were Afghans that worked for the Americans and would know the difference between Afghan soldiers and Americans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 17:12 utc | 15

Earlier reports had claimed that the guard towers were manned by the CIA's Afghan forces.

Anybody has links to these reports? Still not convinced it was NDS’s Unit 01 behind the massacre rather than U.S. troops.

Posted by: S | Aug 29 2021 17:21 utc | 16

The Afghan death squads in the towers? The witnesses specifically stated Americans. Not Turks, Not Afghans, Americans?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 16:43 utc | 5

They wear quite similar uniforms and have the same weapons. Here is a pic of a guard tower. A witness would hardly be able to tell the difference.

Posted by: b | Aug 29 2021 17:22 utc | 17

From the Alex Rubinstein article...
“We still expecting from our American colleagues an answer to the repeatedly raised questions, questions that arose on the basis of public statements made by the leaders of some Afghan provinces, that unidentified helicopters, most likely helicopters to which NATO in one way or another is related, fly to the areas where the insurgents are based, and no one has been able to explain the reasons for these flights yet,” Lavrov said. “In general [the United States] tries to avoid answers to these legitimate questions.”

One would have to consider the rat lines used to inject these guys into the system. I would think choppered out of or Iraq to Turkey, flown to Pakistan, and then choppered up into the tribal areas. Some sort of quid pro quo must have been worked out. Breaking up the Stan republics and getting Russia could be a motive.

A weaker Russia means a stronger Turkey and a happy West. Relations between Russia and Pakistan have been fairly cold with Pakistan being a reliable US ally in these endeavors.

It is all very possible and probable. The weapons and opium rat lines have run through these countries for a very long time. Fighters added would fit the bill of laden.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 29 2021 17:42 utc | 18

@ vk 12
Your northeastern, elitism model for the CIA also applies to the US military. Dream up a new way to stick it to people we don't like, which is about everyone, and then defend it because "we did it and so it must be right, and you are wrong." We evacuated Bagram so it must be right, etc. . .But the CIA operates secretly and can (and will) do much more.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2021 17:46 utc | 19

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 17:12 utc | 15

i to wondered about this, seems like the ic/army is deflecting the blame narrative to protect the u.s mercenaries/soldiers that shot 150 unarmed civillians.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Aug 29 2021 17:51 utc | 20

Somewhere in my recent reading an article had it that the Afghan squads were taken off the perimeter a day or two before the event. It was just something I ran into in various searches and have no idea how to find it again. There is also the pentagon admitting some of the casualties was from US troops firing into the crowd. I can't see them doing that if the shooters were Afghans?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 17:52 utc | 21

Shootout in the Hall of Mirrors.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Aug 29 2021 17:52 utc | 22

Posted by: b | Aug 29 2021 17:22 utc | 17


you have a good point, those Afghans sounded quite sure that it was "infidels" that shot at the crowd.
I guess i will have to show a little bit more patience until we get more facts b4 i decide.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Aug 29 2021 17:57 utc | 23

I think it has become quite clear that it is not “interpreters” that the US is so desperate to extract and that it is not “interpreters” that the Taliban is hunting in Kabul.

Posted by: Down South | Aug 29 2021 17:59 utc | 24

As Vice President in 2014, Biden was in charge of US policy in Ukraine. That was at the time when the Maidan massacre was carried out by extremist allies of the USA (Ukrainian Nazis) but blamed on its enemies (the Yanukovych government). This was all done while the western media was in the Maidan, looking on - and some of them were even shot at - but they never questioned who the real killers were.

So there's no doubt that Biden and his associates will get the message of the latest massacre in Kabul and won't dare publicly question the media reports about it.

Posted by: Brendan | Aug 29 2021 18:01 utc | 25

@ OH 22
Shootout in the Hall of Mirrors.
Yes, we try to make sense of war which is innately unsensible. It's like calling some acts "war crimes."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2021 18:02 utc | 26

@peter AU @Per/Norway

I have now linked a NYT piece in the above that explicitly said that the Afghan's were the outer guards:

The Americans have turned to several hundred commandos from the former Afghan government’s National Directorate of Security to limit access through some airport gates, to keep the crowds from overwhelming the airport.
The former N.D.S. commandos are due to be among the last to leave the country in the evacuation, serving as a rear guard before being airlifted out, according to U.S. and former Afghan officials.

Posted by: b | Aug 29 2021 18:05 utc | 27

@ DS
I think it has become quite clear that it is not “interpreters” that the US is so desperate to extract
I guess you mean that the interpreters were much more than that, they were in fact facilitators essential to the US occupation? . .That's what I claim, anyhow.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2021 18:06 utc | 28

Vk @ 12

For the social class represented in the CIA try this one:

Scroll halfway down page to section beginning ‘Reports’. It is the story of Lewis Lapham’s job interview with CIA, 1957. Final questions concerned golf, yachting, and the underwear choices of an Ivy League debutante. Nothing has changed.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Aug 29 2021 18:14 utc | 29

I'm conducting a leisurely Thought Experiment to explore the confusing behaviour, and opaque pecking-order status of the CIA in the US Military-Industrial Complex. I began the experiment by assuming that there is an over-abundance of "Israelis" in the CIA and the so-called Intelligence Agencies. The internal day to day activities and processes of the Intel agencies are just as opaque as those of the CIA, if not more so.
Considering the curiously independent, reckless, discordant and Mossad-ish behaviour of CIA Field Operations, it would be unwise to dismiss the likelihood that the CIA outranks the Pentagon and the POTUS, in an Officially unofficial way.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 29 2021 18:22 utc | 30

Great follow-up to your recent excellent reporting on Afghanistan.

Don't doubt this reporting, but it is convenient to exonerate US soldiers for the alleged post suicide bomb massacre.

My personal crazy conspiracy theory is that on September 1, the US is going to send Cruise missiles to render the airport in Kabul useless, and retake Bagram Airfield.

What drives the insanity of this theory? It is impossible to believe the USA is going to leave Afghanistan.

Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 29 2021 18:25 utc | 31

Possibly naive thoughts:

The Taliban should make sure all of this is documented by video, photography, and forensics.

Surely the aftermath was video'd and photographed by survivors? There should be an attempt to collect and preserve such evidence to corroborate those eyewitness statements.

Additional eyewitnesses testimony should be collected and documented.

The bodies that were collected and examined should be video'd/photographed (to prove they were shot from above vs blasted)

The bullets should be recovered from the bodies and documented as evidence (and could forensically help identify the shooters?)

The ones in the watchtowers should be photographed via telephoto to identify them and their guns.

If the UKUSA are warning of further attacks, shouldn't the Taliban make sure to have lots of video cameras recording everything going on to protect themselves against false flag operations?

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 29 2021 18:28 utc | 32

b, I was blocked from the NYT article asa apparently I have read all my free articles.
Using the headline as a search term - "Afghans are aiding Americans in keeping the tumult outside from swamping the airport.", I found what I think is the same article.

"The Americans have replaced several hundred commandos of the former Afghan government’s National Security Directorate to limit access through some gates of the airport, keeping the crowds at the airport in large numbers."

This is very similar to what I ran onto earlier. When it says replaced, I assume they have replaced the commandos with American troops? Looking at your quote, although the two articles have the same headline, the paragraph concerning the commandos is different.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 18:32 utc | 33

@ Oldhippie | Aug 29 2021 18:14 utc | 29:

I prefer the reasoning that serves as a leitmotiv throughout Umberto Eco's novels: Once you know the Truth, any truth contradicting the Truth you know must be destroyed; any forgery you create in service of the Truth is true. All you need is a priori privileged access to the Truth. Strange how Lapham slides right by (but oh so close to) this realization, but I suppose the facts of his birth and breeding -- talk about privileged access! -- get in the way.

And of course Americans of all classes are even more susceptible to this kind of thinking than Umberto's Catholics. Protestant America, after all, has a direct hotline to Jesus whereas most Catholics have to seek intercession through saints and any number of scary old men in drag.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 18:33 utc | 34

This truly was next level analysis b.
Well done sir.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 29 2021 18:42 utc | 35

For the record, Khorasan is the ancient name for Afghanistan

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2021 16:34 utc | 4

To repeat: no it isn't, Khorasan is the eastern province of Iran, which sometimes included northwest Afghanistan, but not the rest.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 29 2021 18:43 utc | 36

Looking through the various news sites that are running this headline there are two different versions, one saying replaced, the other saying turned to. Which is correct?
"Afghans are aiding Americans in keeping the tumult outside from swamping the airport."

The BBC witnesses could have mistaken Afghan commandos for Americans but then there is the Pentagon admitting to Americans causing some of the casualties. With the pentagon grudging admitting to 'some' of the casualties I tend more towards replaced being the correct version.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 18:45 utc | 37

@ 37 peter au... thanks for your ongoing questions and comments on this..

Posted by: james | Aug 29 2021 18:51 utc | 38

Pentagon carried out its second strike a few hours back in war of terror 2.0. ISIS-K heading into Kabul in a vehicle. There was a rocket strike on a house in Kabul at that time. I guess that's what ISIS-k were driving to the airport.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 19:00 utc | 39

convo @ 34

Oh yes, Lapham has a pedigree. Great grandfather a founder of Texaco. Grandfather the mayor of San Francisco. His brother had a career as an attorney for CIA. Hotchkiss and Yale for all in family. Many in Skull and Bones. Quickly I can take the family back to 15th century. Probably go much further. Official genealogy is heavily scrubbed, meaning family connections to the very prominent they would rather you not know about.

And that is why he can tell us something. I assume he withholds far more than he admits.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 29 2021 19:02 utc | 40

@ oldhippie | Aug 29 2021 19:02 utc | 40:

Oh, I don't think his remarks are anything less than valuable -- after all, Harper's stopped being worth reading when he turned it over to that G.K. Chesterton wannabe; it's just that I interpret his anecdote slightly differently than he does.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 29 2021 19:24 utc | 41

Good read as always

Posted by: Mina | Aug 29 2021 19:28 utc | 42

@ Mina 42
From the link, this is the final paragraph:

"Diplomatese aside, the Biden Administration expects the Modi government to continue to remain as its loyal camp-follower even as Washington continues to act in self-interests. Prime Minister Modi’s recent prophesy that Taliban has no future failed to make any impression on the Biden White House."

So India is the big loser as the Pakistan/Taliban reinstates governance in Afghanistan, thanks to the US. So India is now looking to Russia and the "quad" is in danger, but it was weak anyhow.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2021 19:42 utc | 43

It looks like the Taliban is going to let the US do the dirty work. Smart move. They will probably lodge a complaint or two but they won't be crying for ISIS.

Posted by: dh | Aug 29 2021 19:42 utc | 44

Since there is no weekly summary yet to post general comments against, I'm posting here.

Ed Asner has died. R.I P. A genuinely decent man.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 29 2021 19:45 utc | 45


Posted by: Ryuuoh | Aug 29 2021 19:55 utc | 46
"Three children were killed in a US drone strike that American officials said struck a vehicle carrying Islamic State suicide bombers, the Associated Press quotes an Afghan official saying on condition of anonymity due to security concerns.

It comes after the US said it was “assessing the possibilities” of having killed or injured civilians in the airstrike. Military officials said the vehicle was carrying explosives and that the initial strike set off secondary explosions."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 20:04 utc | 47

Bar flies interested in the origins and makeup of the early CIA might be fascinated by the wealth of revelations in Frances Stonor Saunders' 1999 book "The Cultural Cold War."

Posted by: AntiSpin | Aug 29 2021 20:06 utc | 48

The assumption that the CIA inspires such loyalty in its assets it can order up a suicide bombing when it wants needs justification.

The assumption that once CIA asset, always CIA asset, is entirely wrong, because if it were, the Taliban are CIA assets, because Pakistan's ISI must still be a CIA asset.

The assumption that the CIA couldn't possibly be so nefarious as to finance opponents of the CIA when they are opponents of *other* "enemies* childishly over-estimates the integrity and the skill of the CIA.

"Khorasan" is implicitly a claim for Sunni Islamists to take over parts of Shia Iran and the lands liberated from atheistic Communism like Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. It may even hint at a claim for all central Asia, "Turkestan," vaguely alluding to the Khwarezmian shah whose vast empire was conquered by Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan did not find Afghanistan to be the "graveyard of empires," by the way.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2021 20:11 utc | 49

The easily controlled puppet Hamid Karzai and the disparate collection of corrupt warlords cobbled together to serve alleged US interests after the invasion lacked any legitimacy and therefor public support. No 'army' would fight and die to maintain them in power.

I came across this on Xymphora:

"The tragedy begins at the now infamous 2002 Emergency Loya Jirga in Kabul where three-fourths of delegates voted in favor of bringing King Zahir Shah back from exile to serve as Afghanistan’s interim head of state. The strategy to unify the fractured country around this symbolic figurehead made sense given Afghanistan saw 40 consecutive years of relative peace and stability during the king’s reign before a coup exiled him to Rome in 1973.

The vote that emanated from the jirga, a council of elders then still deemed a sacred vehicle for expressing the will of the Afghan people, astonishingly cut across the country’s deep ethnosectarian and tribal lines. Moreover, the plan reportedly was supported by some senior Pakistani military leaders and even key figures within the just-ousted Taliban movement....."

Posted by: Paul | Aug 29 2021 20:14 utc | 50

b had linked to a picture of a watch tower @17. That one clearly shows two surveillance cameras, so assuming the guard tower near the blast site was similarly equipped, one would think there would be video recordings ...

But this other photo is apparently where the blast occured. No discernable surveillance cameras, a Turkish flag next to an Afghan flag. What looks to be another tower further back.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 29 2021 21:03 utc | 51

This satellite image (via shows the location of the closer tower and the one further back

Joe Lauria at Consortium News makes the same point as b about our Western news media:

Media Bury Story That US May Have Fired on Crowd at Airport

We'll see whether Canadian TV news makes any mention of this ...

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 29 2021 21:37 utc | 52

Canadian cents

This one shows the guard tower and abby gate.

The blast site (your pic) apparently occurred just down from abby gate opposite the hotel.
Nother here of the blast site, though the tower and gate can't be seen in either.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 21:58 utc | 53

Looking at those pics in my last two links, the bomb site can be seen about 40-50 meters down from the gate and tower. (The blood and bits and pieces on the green security fence in the pic of the blast site can also be seen on the fence in the gate and tower pic.
Looks like the bomb went off down the lane a bit and the yanks in the tower opened up with automatic fire on the close packed crowds under them at the gate.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 22:09 utc | 54

America is back...from Afghanistan, lol.

Posted by: Gordog | Aug 29 2021 22:18 utc | 55

Peter AU1 @52, thanks. Comparing the colours of the items on the ground, your second image seems to correspond to the one I posted @50 - the former looking away from the canal/sewer and the latter looking toward the canal/sewer and the aiport and guard towers.

The circular tower in your first image seems to be on the Baron Hotel side vs the airport side, about in the centre of the lower photo of the satellite view that I had posted.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 29 2021 22:24 utc | 56

Typo in that last link: satellite view

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 29 2021 22:26 utc | 57

Considering the complete incompetence surrounding the withdrawal, starting with the criminal decision to abandon bagram in the middle of the night,a month before US citizens and collaborators had started evacuating. Bagram would have allowed for an orderly retreat from a position that could be defended indefinitly against the talibs and isis. This has to be payback from the military/deepstate to biden for withdrawing. Its hard to believe anything else is the case.

Posted by: RC213V | Aug 29 2021 22:44 utc | 58

Absolute lol at the NYT piece claiming the Afghan occupation was "a mission that transformed the agency over two decades into a paramilitary organization focused on manhunts and killing". There were complaints already in the early 1950s that CIA had failed to become a true intelligence agency because it retained too many OSS veterans, gung-ho "knuckle draggers" who were only interested in the kinetic stuff.

Posted by: l | Aug 29 2021 22:45 utc | 59

Canadian Cents

I run onto that photo earlier and it is a good aerial shot of the area. You could be making the mistake I first made. There are two perimeter walls. The outer and inner. The canal runs between the hotel and the guard house/gate on the outer perimeter. To get to the gate the people had to walk down the narrow lanes either side of the canal.

The caption on the pic say there are bodies in the canal but that is rubbish people are standing either side of the canal and no bodies laying about. In video and pics from earlier in the day and the days before people would cross the canal to the perimeter wall side. The canal is only ankle to knee deep.

Trying locate the blast site on the pics from the ally, it appears to be about where the aerial pic has the arrow with the caption "Perimeter wall guarded by military"
From the aerial pic and from other video I have seen there appears to be lower and different security fence, perhaps temporary, to the right of the gate/guardhouse.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 22:52 utc | 60

Looking at how far the blast site is from the tower, its quite likely the Taliban sprang him before he could get to the gate.
There were around 30 Taliban killed, so obviously heavily policing the area.

In other video I have seen US troops looking for people in the crowd were mostly near the front of the gate or to the right of the gate. Well away from the bomb site. That ally along the canal is a dead end not far to the right of the gate.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 23:02 utc | 61

I have to say I agree with circumspect's point @14: it is very hard to imagine that the US commander at the airport would allow the towers to be manned by anyone other than US forces.

General: Who do we have up in those towers, Sargent?
Sargent: CIA-controlled Afghani death squads, sir!
General: !!!?@??@?@?!!!!

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 29 2021 23:10 utc | 62

VK @ 12, Oldhippie @ 29, Hoarsewhisperer @ 30:

I've read somewhere (can't remember who or what the source was) that the CIA in its early days was a creature of British intelligence. Much of the "culture" of the CIA - its elitism, the networking, the obsession with symbols of status and hierarchy - could have been derived from a similar "culture" within British intel and the universities and institutions in Britain that fed MI5, MI6 and their early 20th-century predecessors.

The forerunner of the CIA was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) formed during WWII and consciously modelled on British intelligence:

.. President Franklin D. Roosevelt was concerned about American intelligence deficiencies. On the suggestion of William Stephenson, the senior British intelligence officer in the western hemisphere, Roosevelt requested that William J. Donovan draft a plan for an intelligence service based on the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) and Special Operations Executive (SOE). After submitting his work, "Memorandum of Establishment of Service of Strategic Information", Colonel Donovan was appointed "coordinator of information" on July 11, 1941, heading the new organization known as the office of the Coordinator of Information (COI).

Thereafter the organization was developed with British assistance; Donovan had responsibilities but no actual powers and the existing US agencies were skeptical if not hostile. Until some months after Pearl Harbor, the bulk of OSS intelligence came from the UK. British Security Co-ordination (BSC) trained the first OSS agents in Canada, until training stations were set up in the US with guidance from BSC instructors, who also provided information on how the SOE was arranged and managed. The British immediately made available their short-wave broadcasting capabilities to Europe, Africa, and the Far East and provided equipment for agents until American production was established.[6]

The Office of Strategic Services was established by a Presidential military order issued by President Roosevelt on June 13, 1942, to collect and analyze strategic information required by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and to conduct special operations not assigned to other agencies. During the war, the OSS supplied policymakers with facts and estimates, but the OSS never had jurisdiction over all foreign intelligence activities. The FBI was left responsible for intelligence work in Latin America, and the Army and Navy continued to develop and rely on their own sources of intelligence ...

The famous CIA officer Miles Copeland (himself a talented jazz musician and the father of Stewart Copeland, former drummer of The Police and composer in his own right) played a not insignificant role in overthrowing Syria's government in 1949 and then Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, the latter featuring the use of early Color Revolution tactics.

Oldhippie's comment @ 29 reminded me of something I'd read in Edward Curtin's book "Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies: Critical & Lyrical Essays" where he talks about the musicians associated with the hippie sub-culture of the late 1960s and their fathers' military backgrounds. The CIA had been conducting experiments with hallucinogenic drugs like LSD and might have been feeding such drugs through these musicians and their hangers-on into that sub-culture. Curtin refers to David MacGowan's "Weird Scenes inside the Canyon" which describes the hippie subculture, the celebrities associated with it and the possibility that the subculture was a creation of the CIA to divert young people away from the anti-war movement and possibly also the civil rights movement of the period.

I also thought of F Scott Fitzgerald's classic novel "The Great Gatsby" in which the privileged Buchanan couple destroy the grasping Jay Gatsby out of jealousy and vindictiveness using a working-class man and his ignorance as their tool of punishment.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 29 2021 23:30 utc | 63

One of the ongoing stories out of this situation will be the evolution of the cultivation and use of the poppy plant.

I am of the opinion that the Taliban should "nationalize" poppy production and distribution to fund their country during the transition away from reliance on poppy cultivation. It takes that cash cow/control drug out of the hands of the CIA and may even bring the extent of that cultivation and distribution out into the open for the world to see.

I expect it may also expose how deep the support in the MIC is for the more Mafia type aspects of its ranks.

What will the next 48 hours bring out about empire's poppy plant connection to Afghanistan?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 29 2021 23:35 utc | 64

Peter AU1, in your first image taken from the airport side toward the hotel, the red antenna tower seen on the right side seems to correspond to what's on top of the airport-side guard tower in the photo I posted.

Looking at your first image, we can count about 20-22 fence sections from the circular tower on the corner to the blast marks.

In the lower photo of the satellite views, counting that number of fence sections from the circular tower near the center of photo seems to take us just into the dashed circle approximately opposite the rectangular guard tower on the airport side. You can also count some of the fence sections along the right edge of the photo I posted.

The satellite view also seems to show a second circular tower on the hotel side in the dashed circle. Does the satellite photo actually show bodies in the canal? I can't tell, but maybe: on the right side of the circle, where people are coming in from, the canal seems packed. The left half of the circle possibly shows bodies in the canal? Then left of the circle seems to show fewer people/bodies in the canal? I could be wrong on all this ...

The rectangular guard tower with the red antenna tower is on the airport side so would have had US/NDS-associated armed personnel. Might there also have been armed personnel in the two circular towers outside the airport walls?

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 29 2021 23:39 utc | 65

@ Jen | 62

' the hippie subculture, the celebrities associated with it and the possibility that the subculture was a creation of the CIA to divert young people away from the anti-war movement and possibly also the civil rights movement of the period.'

Also possibly to show the youth behind the Iron Curtain how truly FREE the free world really was. Any young person from the Warsaw Pact Bloc couldn't watch videos from Woodstock and not wish they were in the US.

I had similar feelings when I was watching Aljazeera's nonstop broadcast from Tahrir Square Cairo....They made it look like a huge party and all the young people in the region needed besides their fake iPhones and Facebook profiles was a revolution that was gonna be televised.

Posted by: Afgun | Aug 29 2021 23:53 utc | 66

Big Picture--

Given what b, Escobar and others have revealed, IMO it's safe to assume the Russians and Chinese know all that and much more. Oh to be a fly on the wall in Dushanbe for the twin Summits. Both Russia and China are well beyond serious about the security of their borders, which means they are just as serious about the security of all other regional borders. All Summit participants--even India--wish to profit from the BRI/EAEU commercial promise, but the massive clusterfuck at the Afghan Traffic Circle MUST be set straight and remain that way in as close to a No-Tolerance way as possible for the promise to eventually become reality. Those in control of the Outlaw US Empire may not think they have an interest in seeing that promise fulfilled but they do (although it's entirely possible they've blinded themselves to that fact by believing their own lies) as there will be life after losing the Heartland.

With the exception of its Terrorist Foreign Legion, the Outlaw US Empire's evacuation of Afghanistan now launches a new chapter in the region's history. What general direction--the ends--that will take is mostly known, but what remains unknown is how--the means--exactly. The Terrorist Foreign Legion will need to be liquidated, but how much support will it continue to get from its Master and how hard will that Master be pressed by its rivals to cease are the critical questions. Will the Empire be publicly rebuked by a series of regional leaders at the upcoming UNGA Debates for the rest of the world to learn and add their voice? And what of the rest of Asia--Iraq, Syria, Qatar, Yemen, UAE, Saudi Arabia, North & South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Occupied Palestine? Surely they all deserve to be freed from the Anglo Yoke to determine their own path.

Will abandoning Afghanistan mark the beginning of the end of the Generation-long War OF Terror Crime subjected to the World by the Outlaw US Empire and its few allies? Will the Anglos finally abandon their plan to dominate the planet financially and militarily, or will they ultimately be forced to do so? I've waited over 40 years and others have waited much longer for the world to awaken to the need to collectively arrest the Outlaw US Empire and its closest vassals. Has that Wokeness finally arrived, or is this newest watershed merely another false dawn?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2021 23:54 utc | 67

Canadian Cents 64

You are right. Have been looking at another video and realized I had it backwards. The green security fence is across the canal from the outer perimeter.

Scroll down a bit in this link
A tweet dated 27th shows the scene between the guard tower and the dead end. Here the outer perimeter looks to consist of low concrete blocks with a bit of razor wire. Camera man looks to be inside the perimeter. A few US troops can be seen along the lane and in the canal.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2021 23:55 utc | 68

Excellent article b. Many thanks. The Taliban must eliminate the Terrorists Foreign Legion (hat tip to Karlof). Should this require resources and assistance from Russia, China and Iran, IMO, that will be on offer. For the terrorists.......nowhere to run nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Michael Crockett | Aug 30 2021 0:17 utc | 69

vk @12

The CIA is the ghost writer of many, if not most, of the apparently investigative journalism articles in those MSM newspapers

And much of the opposition is controlled and placed into opposition. Many of the alternative left wing journals are controlled opposition. Hence the death of the left by co-option, propaganda, and ignoring the depths of the real elite in control. Some of the most famous people in the left are operatives. What is ignored and not reported on is more important than what is.

When know who they are on the right. That wing is not so hidden. It does not have to be because they are in agreement.

John Judge, one of my favorite researchers, was hated and ignored by the left becasue he dared to plumb the depths of the fascist control and cooperation of the former Nazis and the US. He did the hard work on the political assassinations in this country that firmly kept control in the hands of the fascist wing led by families like Bushes
Who Really Runs America? The Hidden History of the United States

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 30 2021 0:37 utc | 70

Excellent article b. Many thanks. The Taliban must eliminate the Terrorists Foreign Legion (hat tip to Karlof). Should this require resources and assistance from Russia, China and Iran, IMO, that will be on offer. For the terrorists.......nowhere to run nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Michael Crockett | Aug 30 2021 0:17 utc | 68

. . . which is why I find the Taliban's apparent chumming up to Turkey utterly perplexing.

Posted by: corvo | Aug 30 2021 0:40 utc | 71

Yes, the CIA was founded by blue blood Protestant Wall Street types. But to quote Lewis Lapham from 1957 and pretend that nothing has changed in the last 60 years is CRT-level political analysis of American history.
Maybe some people missed this?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 30 2021 0:50 utc | 72

Yes, the CIA was founded by blue blood Protestant Wall Street types. But to quote Lewis Lapham from 1957 and pretend that nothing has changed in the last 60 years is CRT-level political analysis of American history. Maybe some people missed this?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 30 2021 0:50 utc | 71

Yes indeed! But I imagine that cis- and even transgender millennials with generalized anxiety disorder and impostor syndrome are just as good at botching cold-blooded assassinations and minor genocides as WASP Yalies. And besides, how high in the ranks are these creampuffs and snowflakes allowed to rise anyway?

Posted by: corvo | Aug 30 2021 1:22 utc | 73

I have yet to catch up on comments in the preceding and following threads, but for this one, I want to offer one thought.

Concerning death squads and their nationality. Pepe Escobar in his piece cited at comment #1 here, gave slightly more substance to this foreign legion. The Omega program seconded US special forces directly to CIA command, and I believe the number was estimated as 3,000 personnel at one point.

So here we have specials, growing their hair any length that fits, wearing whatever clothing that fits, on essentially kill missions, search and destroy, fucking people up. And they're commanded directly by CIA officers with zero moral code. And this has been going on for 10 years. Are these people in any way comparable with regular US troops?

And then there's the other direction - even more speculation coming now. What if you're an NDS killer? You speak and move through an American slang universe, you're commanded semi-directly by CIA, and you have affiliation with US culture. What happens if you have a medal on the wall at CIA? What happens if you have a US passport or honorary citizenship, or even dreams of retiring there maybe? I said it was speculation.

I just wonder to what extent the two legions identify with each other. Have some of the US people gone semi-native? Are they on good terms with each other? They are all specials after all, and I bet the Afghans are pretty salty.

I don't suppose it matters much, but if we're insisting that the guards in the towers who massacred the civilians have to be US forces, I think it helps to consider that they may not much resemble classic US forces anymore.

It makes most sense that the massacre was trained murder per the mission specs, and that there will be more at every chance that presents itself.

I suppose the Taliban may try to reorient the NDS specials (if we even know how they currently are oriented - do they only kill ISIS or are they still fighting Taliban, and do they massacre any civilians the CIA would point them at?). But I think the US killers have to die in Afghanistan, where all the terrorists will die.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 30 2021 1:48 utc | 74

@ Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 30 2021 0:50 utc | 71

Legendary OSS agent and CIA advisor/asset and Cold Warrior Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. wrote what essentially is the center-left liberal manifesto, The Vital Center: The Politics of Freedom (1949).

As expected he lived a long and comfortable life, so he lived long enough to see the center-left/social-democrat utopia to crumble, and wrote another book, The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society (1991).

I recommend reading both books if you want to understand the ideology and logic behind the concept of post-war liberal democracy, which is dominant until the present times.

Posted by: vk | Aug 30 2021 2:30 utc | 75

@ 74 said in part;"if you want to understand the ideology and logic behind the concept of post-war liberal democracy, which is dominant until the present times."

There is no such thing as "post-war" liberal democracy. Neo-liberal maybe, but no real "democracy". Here in the U$A we exist in an Oligarchy.

Posted by: vetinLA | Aug 30 2021 2:53 utc | 76

Corvo @ 70. I can not make sense of that myself. Turkey has given so much support to the terrorists in Syria that there could not be cooperation between the Taliban and the Turkish Military. That boggles my mind.

Posted by: Michael Crockett | Aug 30 2021 2:55 utc | 77

AQ was CIA'S database of their jihadist mercs.

TTP was incubated at Penny Lane GItmo. [1]

ISIS was conceived at camp Burka,

Tip of an iceberg.

This is an open secret.
The five liars breeds terrorists, including the TTP , Baloch militants who target Chinese in Pak and the ETM mercs who terrorised Xinjiang,

Unlike the civilised west, China doesnt bomb these jihadists to high heaven, CCP set up re-education camps to detox them,

Whaddya know !
The five terrorists breeders who killed millions of Muslims themselves wanna nail the chicoms for so-called genocide of their beloved Uighurs. !

Canada leads international coalition calling on China to allow investigators free access to Xinjiang

Hubris like this gotta be respected.



Posted by: denk | Aug 30 2021 3:37 utc | 78

circumspect @Aug30 0:37 #69

@51:40 in the second video, John Judge actually mentions Omega (I think he may be referring to the same "Omega" - he uses the term "Omega-7"), which is mentioned in the Wikipedia article that b quotes from:

As of 2018, the CIA is engaged in a program to kill or capture militant leaders, codenamed ANSOF, previously Omega.

As part of his discussion of the attempted assassination of Reagan, Judge notes that the father of John Hinkley Jr. (who was also a neighbor of GHW Bush) is a Director of 'World Vision', an evangelical organization that helps refuges and has been funded by CIA. Judge says that World Vision brought on Alpha-66 and Omega-7 as a partners to run some of World Vision refuge camps. He says they are "the most anti-Castro, anti-Communist, reactionary, murderous groups".


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 30 2021 3:41 utc | 79

The next 48 hours will be interesting.....below is the beginning of a Reuters peice

Aug 30 (Reuters) - U.S. anti-missile defences intercepted as many as five rockets that were fired at Kabul's airport early on Monday morning, a U.S. official said, as the United States rushed to complete its withdrawal from Afghanistan to end its longest war.

U.S. and allied forces are hurrying to evacuate their remaining citizens and at-risk Afghans before completing their own withdrawal by Tuesday to meet a deadline agreed between the Taliban and Washington.

The mission became more urgent and dangerous after an Islamic State suicide bomb attack on Thursday killed 13 U.S. military personnel and scores of Afghan civilians outside the airport.

The U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Reuters initial reports did not indicate any U.S. casualties from the latest rocket attack, but that information could change.

The shit show continues until it doesn't......and what a shit show we have for you ladies and gentlemen....can humanity evolve beyond the jackboot of global private finance centered society?

IMO, it is way past time to give any alternative to the elite based cancerous form of social organization we have had for centuries a try....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 30 2021 5:19 utc | 80

b writes:

It were neither the Americans at the gate nor the Islamic State but most likely the CIA's Afghan death squads in the guard towers who caused the massacre.

What seems more likely to me is that the 13 US and 28(?) Taliban who were killed where mostly - perhaps ALL - killed by a firefight that broke out between them after the bombing.

If US troops had fired into the crowd after the bombing (which seems likely), then it seems likely that any Taliban that were present (or had rushed to the scene after the bombing) would fire back to protect the crowd, drawing return fire from the US soldiers (naturally).

Now, it may well be that whoever was in the guard towers also fired, but to assume (as everyone seems to) that all US casualties were from the bombing ignores a more compelling explanation. And, for anyone connected to USA and/or it's afghan efforts, even voicing the possibility of such a scenario would be rather unwelcome as that would lead to a fuller examination of the incident.

I doubt any autopsy (especially any independent autopsy) has been conducted on the American soldiers that died. And I suppose any call for autopsies (by family or friends) will be discouraged.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 30 2021 7:02 utc | 81

@ 71 & 77

If you see my comments no 145 & 148 on the previous Afghan thread
you will see the ties between the Taliban and the Muslim Brotherhood stretch back decades,

Posted by: Down South | Aug 30 2021 7:25 utc | 82

@28 DB

I am actually an interpreter, and yes we could get very involved in any subject that were working on if we wanted (and were allowed to).

With no supervision and in a country culturally so distant for the invaders an interpreter could easily gain a lot of power to help or to harm his fellow countrymen

Posted by: Mariátegui | Aug 30 2021 8:07 utc | 83

Excellent work MoA and many of you genuine barflies - a great antidote to the MSM in the U.K. too, where the big story is about the evacuation of refugee cats and dogs!

And some of their staff and families! By the ‘ex-paratrooper’ who set up a shelter there. I kid you not.

This sob story is aimed directly at the soft minded Brits who go gaga about their pets, most loved and cared for , much more than family members and neighbours or the poor who have to rely on ‘food banks’

Anyway.. apparently a charter flight was sent with donated money to airlift the refugee animals and their master after he threatened a U.K. government advisor with ‘fucking’ up’ if he didn’t get all the clearances!!

Now - please consider why this narrative is being undertaken in the U.K.? With its feeble minded pet loving public as many Afghan Britons have been massacred and ‘abandoned’ by the retreating head choppers and revelations that are logged on this site.

As will become evident as I hope, when the dumb 5+1 eyed Gollum’s mercenaries find their promised ‘over the horizon’ air support (drones missiles and bombers) is bs.

They had got used to having such luxurious at a distance ultra-violence through their being mere robots , with head cams. So that Langley and gchq and Mossad , can watch and kill like great puppet masters for their ancient aristo bosses and Money, from what they always believed was a safe distance.

The new definition will be protection of Afghan airspace from over OTHER horizons.

Blowback is a promise - it will go right back to the launch vehicles that targets any attacks heading into BRI territory and infrastructure including the peoples and especially the servants of the new Empire. Included the Ivy Leaguers offices.

It is vital for us in the west to finally realise and understand how we have always been lied to and all our efforts and sacrifices have been for lies by ancient liars. They have used everything from religion , monarchy, fake politics and economics and culture, to the current post post modernist button pushing on gender; to create and run the BIGGEST LIES EVER about our existence on this Earth, to make most of us into soft minded pets.

The truth is here today.
The 500 year Bipolar (as in psychotic) Empire is dead dead dead.

Long live the new multipolar (Human First) Empire

Posted by: DG | Aug 30 2021 8:16 utc | 84


I also think many of those US boots in bags have bullet holes in them though more along the lines of 'friendly fire'. Hadn't thought about a firefight, more along the lines of shooting down into the crowd and most likely targeting Taliban as they were armed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 30 2021 8:27 utc | 85

Jackrabbit | Aug 30 2021 7:02 utc | 81

The idea of a firefight breaking out is convincing. It would even tend to confirm that the CIA were involved. ie. Explosion from Suicide bomber, and then another "threatening sitiuation" is artificially created. Followed by; Hidden snipers shooting at BOTH sides, as at Maidan, to provoke gunfire between them. Why not use a technique that has been used before?

It would also explain the large discrepancy in death/wounded figures and the total MSM obsession with the Eleven US killed, to the detriment of the other Taliban, UK/Afghan Nationals, and Afghans who were also killed or wounded.

The US regular forces would not going to want this to become known. Particularly as Vets in place (Pineapples) may well be among the dead.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 30 2021 11:41 utc | 86

Turkish interest with Afghanistan is through ethnicity, not religion.

The Majalla is a Saudi owned publication … Free Press? A former editor was Salman bin Yousuf Al Dossary. The regime of Taliban 1996-2001 was recognized by Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan … not by MB oriented countries Turkey and Qatar.

Turkey-Afghanistan Bilateral Political Relations

Turkey’s push for greater influence in Central Asia is towards Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, borders with Afghanistan and Xinjiang province of China.

China seeks Turkish support for its policies on Xinjiang

Unnerved by Taliban Gains, Central Asia Boosts Ties With Russia and China

Posted by: Oui | Aug 30 2021 11:45 utc | 87

"The only truth about US disastrous Afghanistan war is that it was all based on lies"

I doubt any autopsy (especially any independent autopsy) has been conducted on the American soldiers that died. And I suppose any call for autopsies (by family or friends) will be discouraged. !! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 30 2021 7:02 utc | 81
I doubt any pictures from the bodycam, helmetcam, securitycam or even from the blowing remains will be available ... Have you seen one?

Yankeestan needs Heroes

Do you remember this story from a suggested link a few days ago

Patrick Tilman was given a Silver Star – the nation’s third highest award for heroism in combat – for being killed by his own men. “Caught between the crossfire of an enemy near ambush,” the citation read, “Corporal Tillman put himself in the line of devastating enemy fire as he maneuvered his fire team to a covered position from which they could effectively employ their weapons on known enemy positions.” Not a word of this was true, and the Army knew it. But Tilman, a former NFL player, was a big name, and his death had to be glorious, and not the result of military incompetence.
It was all lies.

Do you prefer your late husband/son as a hero [with Silver Star and probably pension and $$$].
Or do you prefer to know and tell the truth?

Truth is really expensive

Marine fired for criticizing military leaders resigns, says chasing stability makes ‘slave to the system’

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 30 2021 12:05 utc | 88

The Obama-Biden-Clinton administration had chosen for close ties to the MB states of Turkey, Qatar and Egypt under Morsi. The Sunni/Shia divide led to turmoil in all Arab states with uprising in 2011 to effect regime change. Iraq, Syria and Libya ended in chaos and diplomatic failure. KSA funds Egypt’s Sisi, present day Tunisia and withdrew from subsidizing Hariri in Lebanon. The UAE, Israel and KSA joined Intelligence and funding to get rid if Democrats in the 2016 presidential election.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 30 2021 12:31 utc | 89

gottlieb @31:

If they use heavy weapons I don't think they will use them to retake Bagram airfield. It's not as hopeless holding on to as Kabul, since it's on a small plain. But almost. Talib have US anti- aircraft weapon system, and begin stuck in the mountains whit no food to eat and no place to go just ain't fun.

If there be tomahawks for Kabul, there be tomahawks for Bagram too.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 30 2021 14:17 utc | 90

For the first time, Pentagon officials publicly acknowledged the possibility that some people killed outside the airport on Thursday might have been shot by American service members after the suicide bombing.
Investigators are looking into whether the gunfire came from Americans at the gate, or from the Islamic State.

It were neither the Americans at the gate nor the Islamic State but most likely the CIA's Afghan death squads in the guard towers who caused the massacre.
[#17]They wear quite similar uniforms and have the same weapons. Here is a pic of a guard tower. A witness would hardly be able to tell the difference.

That is an astonishing claim, when even the pentagon refuses to "confirm or deny" that the victims were killed by US soldiers, and so many witnesses claim the US were shooting. Those witnesses were pro-US Afghan collaborators trying to get to the US - they know very well the difference between US soldiers shooting them and NDS Afghans shooting them. Such an astonishing claim requires strong evidence.

By contrast, that linked NYT article - by that stalwart bastion of truthful reporting NYT with such an impecable reputation for honesty /sarc - does not even mention Afghan soldiers in the towers, only vague references to Afghan soldiers "to limit access through some airport gates, to keep the crowds from overwhelming the airport". Furthermore it makes some sense from a US security perspective to delegate the Afghans to the first line of defence at checking incoming crowds as (a) they speak Afghan and (b) the US want to avoid contact with potential suicide bombers. Less so up on the walls and in the towers where the the US needs to keep an eye on the gates and on the fickle Afghan NDS. The media are also crammed full of photos showing the US soldiers lined up on the walls. Yet, if the Afghans are manning the gates how could 13 US soldiers allegedly from the suicide blast? The entire US narrative is blatantly riddled with lies.

It seems crystal clear to me that this was a meticulously planned massacre which was methodically and ruthlessly carried out. First, a US chopper, under guise of "rescuing" alleged evacuees who were already inside the Taliban security cordon and a mere stone's throw from the perimeter explosion location (see link at # Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 29 2021 21:37 utc | 52 inserts an ISIS suicide bomber complete with explosive vest into the Baron Hotel directly across the road from the perimeter fence. Earlier media reports that the Baron Hotel was "within 200 meters" of the airport were deliberately misleading - the satellite image clearly show that it is immediately opposite the perimeter fence (probably 20 meters or less) and that the explosion site was immediately in front of the hotel. The next day (? or thereabouts) the suicide bomber waltzes casually out of the hotel and detonates the vest near the airport gate almost directly in front of the hotel. The shooting that followed according to the video was regular, methodical and sustained: certainly no panic reaction. It is impossible that 180 people could be shot dead - mostly by shots to the head - by panic shooting from average soldiers - this was cool, methodical assassinations by highly trained professional snipers. That much is crystal clear from all the shooting incidents that have been seen in the West over the last several years. Those snipers would have to have been deliberately pre-positioned and primed, waiting for their targets. A spontaneous reaction is out of the question. A suicide bomb in a single file queue is bound to have relatively few casualties. A deliberate decision was taken to multiply that number using pre-positioned professional snipers. The NDS could not have been in a position to take that decision.

Simultaneously the news of the Pineapple Dessert Squad was published in order to deliberately kill the pineapple-image pass-code used by that project, to provide an alibi the US forces can use to reject any further NDS commandos appearing on the scene, since the pass-code is no longer secret.

In both cases the primary objective, as I pointed out yesterday, was to "switch off" the flow of discarded and disposable would-be evacuees exactly at the point the US wants to finalise the evacuation of its own military.

The whole point of the evacuation, in any case, had nothing to do with "saving" at-risk collaborators - or even NDS commandos - but as a decoy to detract attention from the two CIA stay-behind armies that were intended to cause havoc after the departure of the US forces. Once quotas had been fulfilled and in good time for the impending close of proceedings, the tap was simply switched off.

Posted by: BM | Aug 30 2021 15:13 utc | 91

Sifting through the various hypotheses, it's difficult to arrive at any definitive conclusion, although IMO BM @91 comes closest. As I wrote earlier, I suspect Russia has significant intel on what actually occurred; but as with 911, they'll remain muted as the airport event for the SCO/CSTO is a sideshow given their #1 concern being the Terrorist Foreign Legion. IMO, there's a lot of "smoke" being generated to mask the Legion from Russian detection, which I hope will be futile. It's also quite possible the terrorists will shift their operations back into Pakistan where IMO they have a better chance at blending in and getting local support. And that brings me to note the extremely dangerous game Modi's India's playing and to ponder just how much trust Russia and China have behind the diplomatic façade.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 30 2021 15:52 utc | 92

The five terrorists are world class genocidists.
If there's an Olympic event for slaughtering civilians they'd clean up the medals.

This blood soaked Murder Inc has the gall to frame China for the very crime that they excel at.

The chutzpah !

Am i the only one who's sick of this nauseating ,never ending bandits crying robbery BS?

dUNNO what the hell is CCP waiting ?
Forchrissake , sue the five liars at UN for their 1001 crimes against humanities.
I wont even dignify it as war crimes, there aint no wars but one sided slaughters of defenseless third worlders.
I bet the entire Africa , ME, all the world's oppressed would be very keen to get back at these pompous !@#$%^

We dont need no ICC kangaroo court either.
Here's the smoking gun ...from the horse mouth.

Exhibit Afghan According to the Toronto newspaper The Globe and Mail, a Pentagon official told CNN that, "The people there are dead because we wanted them dead."

Admiral Michael Boyce, the war on Afghanistan is aimed at ratcheting up civilian misery in hopes that Afghans will oust the Taliban. "The squeeze will carry on until the people of the country themselves recognize that this is going to go on until they get the leadership changed,

Ex YUgo
If you wake up in the morning and you have no power to your house and no gas to your stove and the bridge you take to work is down and will be lying in the Danube for the next 20 years, I think you begin to ask, 'Hey, Slobo, what's this all about? How much more of this do we have to withstand?'"

Thomas Nagy, a business professor at George Washington University, says that Washington knowingly violated Article 54 of the Geneva Convention, which prohibits any country from undermining "objects indispensable to the survival of (another country's) civilian population," including drinking water installations and supplies. Writing in the September 2001 issue of The Progressive, Nagy cites recently declassified documents that show the United States was aware of the civilian health consequences of destroying Iraq's drinking water and sanitation systems in the Gulf War, and knew that sanctions would prevent the Iraqi government from repairing the degraded facilities. Coalition forces bombed Iraq's eight multi-purpose dams, destroying flood control systems, irrigation, municipal and industrial water storage, and hydroelectric power. Major pumping stations were targeted, and municipal water and sewage facilities were destroyed.

Tip of an iceberg.

Posted by: denk | Aug 30 2021 16:40 utc | 93

Posted by: Jen | Aug 29 2021 23:30 utc | 63

Thanks for your remarks, and for drawing attention to those of VK & Old Hippie.
The biggest threat from CIA/Intel Agencies is that their job spec is clandestine infiltration, spying and info-management.
Internally, they could make the case that they wouldn't be doing their job if they weren't infiltrating and spying on EVERY OTHER government Agency & Institution - thereby gathering info useful for elevating their own importance and perpetuating their own existence, like any other bureaucracy. It doesn't take much imagination to realise that a ruthless Management Team could blackmail and bullshit its way into a position of unassailable power/influence within a decade or so.
In my opinion this is precisely what has happened in AmeriKKKa.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 30 2021 16:44 utc | 94

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 30 2021 16:44 utc | 94

And not just AmeriKKKa. has been run by some very unsavory weirdos for 30 years or more. Their most recent textural addition to the Oz Political Landscape has been to persuade to conduct Top Secret, behind closed doors, 'trials' of whistle-blowers for for 'crime' of truth-telling.
As I've said before - If your Government is keeping secrets from you it is not your Government, and you're not in a Democracy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 30 2021 17:17 utc | 95

The latest piece of Pepe in the cradle is a masterpiece... and thanks to bm, denk, karlof for their latests posts. As if someone had turned on the light.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 30 2021 17:43 utc | 96

@Posted by: vk | Aug 29 2021 17:07 utc | 12

Christopher Layne wrote an excellent piece on how the white North East elites dominate US foreign policy, and have in recent years been able to take in a more diverse mix of recruits while successfully indoctrinating them into the same beliefs - the more diverse folks were successfully assimilated. Still all about the Open Door (force open other nations to US exploitation) and global pre-eminence. His 2017 article "The US foreign policy establishment and grand strategy: how American elites obstruct strategic adjustment" is unfortunately behind a pay wall.

de Graaff and van Apeldoorn covered some of the same ground, while emphasizing the major differences between US and Chinese elite classes in "US-China relations and the liberal world order", not behind a paywall. A very interesting read:

Posted by: Roger | Aug 30 2021 17:44 utc | 97

Three stories today:

The answer to "dark matter":

Scientists discover how high-energy electrons strengthen magnetic fields

New ways to fight the panopticon:

A new wave of Hacktivists is turning the surveillance state against itself

Gee the Pentagon knew about the bombing beforehand:

Pentagon knew about Kabul suicide bombing ‘hours in advance,’ report claims, but troops on the ground say they weren’t protected

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 30 2021 18:09 utc | 98

Posted by: denk | Aug 30 2021 16:40 utc | 93

That is sure sick stuff. They talk about people as if they were fleas or lice.

Posted by: arby | Aug 30 2021 18:55 utc | 99

@Bemildred #98

Please post off-topic comments in the open thread.

Also, your “Hacktivist” story is anti-Belarus/anti-Iranian propaganda. What really happened is the NSA has committed a cyberattack against law enforcement agencies of sovereign countries the U.S. doesn’t like, and the CIA propaganda outlets now claim it was ”brave local democratic activists fighting against oppressive regimes”.

Posted by: S | Aug 30 2021 19:14 utc | 100

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