Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 26, 2021
Further U.S. Hostility Against The Taliban Is Not In Its Best Interest

The chaotic evacuation of international 'assets' and economic migrants from Kabul airport just got more complicate.

An hour ago a suicide bomber blew himself up amidst a crowd which was waiting to get access to the airport. Additionally gunfire was heard. At least 13 people got killed. There are pictures and video of dozens of killed and wounded Afghans.

Hours ago the U.S. and UK had warned of an imminent ISIS attack on the airport and had asked their citizens to stay away from the airport.

The evacuation flights for civilians were supposed to end today. That was to leave time for the several thousand military on the ground to wrap up their mission before the August 31 end date. The Taliban have insisted on that final date.

Whoever has sent in the suicide bomber wanted to interrupt that process. Your guess who that was is as good as mine.

The whole evacuation panic was and is, in my view, totally unnecessary.

The Taliban have no interest in taking hostages or in taking systematic revenge on Afghan personnel that had worked with foreign governments. They publicly issued a complete amnesty. They also need money, international recognition and support.

The U.S. has blocked the Afghan central bank accounts with the Fed and ordered the IMF and the World Bank to not provide money to Afghanistan. That is huge leverage.

The U.S. could have used that leverage in a positive sense to organize, if necessary at all, a very smooth and orderly evacuation of people by normal civil flights over several weeks or months. But for some reason the Pentagon friendly media in Washington created an artificial panic and set off a monstrous military emergency show.

The U.S. should by the way lift its block on that Afghan money. It is in its best interest to have good relations with the Taliban. The German chancellor Merkel recognized that. She announced that Germany will continue to support Afghanistan even under Taliban rule. It is the right thing to do because Afghanistan is still a dirt poor country, because there are people in need and because it is in 'western' interest to keep Afghanistan peaceful and united. An unruly Afghanistan under financial pressure is way more likely to create trouble abroad – be it as shelter for global militants or as a source of huge refugee streams.

Withholding money does not create long term leverage. Leverage is to use money to reward good behavior. The Taliban have so far behaved very well. They protected the airport from again being overrun. All of Kabul except for the airport is living a normal life. People are back at work, the banks have reopened.

President Joe Biden has taken on political risk by ordering the complete retreat from Afghanistan. Should he consider further hostility against the country, by financial means or by igniting a new civil war as some Republican demands, he will not gain the political profit from it.

Comments

@ Posted by: jinn | Aug 27 2021 21:57 utc | 300
You have to think from the perspective not from a crazy scientist thinking of an evil plan, but from the perspective of a shadowy institution with 75 years of experience and a vast network of assets.
The CIA is so deep the rabbit hole of terrorist groups in the ME that it comes to a point they just need one or two (satellite) phone calls and everything is set in motion.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2021 22:17 utc | 301

uncle tungsten
Erdo would have a foot in the door with the Uyghurs. India with Baluchistan, and then everyone under the sun owns a piece of ISIS five-eyes, Israel, Turkey, Wahhabi kingdoms….

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 22:20 utc | 302

yeah right #221
Thank you and a delightful link it was. I just have to post this extract from WE LOST THE WAR:

Last Monday, CIA Director William Burns met secretly with Abdul Ghani Baradar, de facto leader of the Taliban, to discuss the terms of the U.S. withdrawal. Baradar spent eight years in prison after getting captured during a CIA-run operation, and there he was, leader of a victorious army, sitting across the table from the director of the CIA and holding all the cards. The fact that Biden sent such a high-ranking official is a bright indicator of this nation’s thoroughly humbled estate.
If you’ve ever wondered what Japanese Foreign Minister Shigemitsu felt while seated across from Douglas MacArthur on board the USS Missouri with the ink of surrender drying on the table before them, Director Burns could probably give you a fairly accurate description of those emotions. Baradar’s version was not nearly as stark or ceremonial, but having him at that table with the reins in his hand is an astonishing turn for this “invincible” nation.
If we are not prepared to say WE LOST THE WAR even with the rank fact of it pouring out of every television in America, perhaps we should not be starting wars in the first place.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 22:29 utc | 303

At a certain level I feel the increasingly punitive measures taken against their own working class may stem, in part, from the Western elite’s growing geopolitical impotence. At least they can get their own people to cry uncle.

Posted by: MaskedMarvel | Aug 27 2021 22:34 utc | 304

It would have been hard to get a suicide bomber through the various Taliban checkpoints. A couple days before the attack the CIA started running “rescue missions” via helicopter including a “rescue mission” to the hotel that is only a couple hundred feet from the gate that the blast took place at…the hotel is inside the Taliban’s security perimeter.
The CIA has no problem killing American Soldiers if it serves a purpose, and in this case only the deaths of American Servicemen would create the desired outrage. Not saying the CIA was involved, not saying they weren’t. I agree with VK’s assessment on reading Spook Speak.

Posted by: ArthurDent | Aug 27 2021 22:45 utc | 305

US army (or 3 letter agencies dressed as one) has been ferrying ISIS and other scum in Syria for years now using helicopters, after Russian intervention there.

Posted by: Abe | Aug 27 2021 22:54 utc | 306

A few observations on separate issues viz various comments, by the way thanks to b and barflies,
I have noticed some thieves, sex offenders, crooked religious leaders, various warmongering politicians, con men, colonists and corporate psychopaths resort to in common with each otheris they rely on the justification for their actions as ‘help’ or, in other words they are claiming in one way or the other, they are or were ‘helping’ their victims.
I was reminded of this yesterday watching the Australian PM’s, Pastor Morrison’s, press conference, we went to Afghanistan to ‘help’ Afghanistan.
In reality they are only really helping themselves.
A big thank you to the barfly who alerted me to the book, ‘Snakes in Suits’.
https://thepowermoves.com/snakes-in-suits/
# It is one thing to have a big mineral deposit like Afghan lithium. It is entirely another matter to turn this into a commercial mining operation. Among other requisites needed is money to develop it, power, transport infrastructure, refining capacity and most importantly WATER.
# An EV battery requires five times more graphite that lithium. Thats why Cabo Delgado province in Mozambique and its ‘insurgency’ will become important.
# an EV battery needs an electrode, anode and a cathode, that’s why Katanga Province in the DR Congo {cobalt] is another flashpoint now. Remember the Katanga separatists and the disastrous UN intervention in the 1960’s. Katanga is very mineral rich. many minerals are often found together and some are valuable by products from mining another minerals.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 27 2021 23:38 utc | 307

Desperation is setting in for NATO.
https://sptnkne.ws/G7ja

Posted by: Australian Lady | Aug 27 2021 23:40 utc | 308

vk @250
I think you completely misunderstand what I said which was the Taliban will be the next Saudis minus the West.
They have the opportunity to become very wealthy if they play their hand right and I think they are very smart and capable people albeit with much different customs.
I guess irony and sarcasm does not work well here.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 27 2021 23:57 utc | 309

@ v | Aug 27 2021 19:40 utc | 287… thanks for that update.. i see william gruff is on it, lol…it is always sad to hear of someone dying…

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2021 0:04 utc | 310

ArthurDent @ 305
I agree with VK’s assessment on reading Spook Speak.
I am not so sure about spook speak but what about spook action? The establishment handed over a list of all their former workers to their “new partners” the Taliban.
Apparently the Taliban also got all the bio metric data and the equipment to scan former US helpers in country.
Taliban has biometric devices
What happened? Was this material was handed off to them? Did the contractors sell it to them? Did they leave so quickly that they just left it behind?
Spook action would imply that they want all their former in country partners identified and eliminated.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 0:11 utc | 311

Sorry for the grammatical errors and typos in my post @307.
Now I hurry my posts so I am not timed out, again.
English ‘as she is spoke’ [joke] and written: In Australia there is the Labor Party. In NZ there is a Labour Party, the UK also has a Labour Party.
Barflies should remember NZ Labour PM, Helen Clark, refused to take part in the illegal invasion of Iraq. One of the reasons she was opposed by the usual suspects, for the job of UN Secretary General. Disobedience.
Australia’s former PM, Kevin Rudd ordered an inquiry, made the findings public and kicked out the Mossad agent from the bandit State’s embassy in Canberra, following the botched Mossad murder operation in Dubai using fake Australian Passports.
That is why he was deposed as PM. That is why he, as an experienced former diplomat, was so bitterly opposed for the job of UN Secretary General, again by the usual suspects in Australia and overseas.
More disobedience. Even worse, would he remember the plots against him, his leadership and why then seek revenge?

Posted by: Paul | Aug 28 2021 0:22 utc | 312

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 0:11 utc | 311
I was reading today that the UK embassy left behind its personnel records too.
I can understand people who think this is not all accidental.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 28 2021 0:38 utc | 313

The real terrorists get a free pass:
Biden says he’s prioritizing Human Rights, but is welcoming an Israeli Prime Minister who boasts about War Crimes.
https://www.juancole.com/2021/08/prioritizing-welcoming-minister.html

Posted by: Paul | Aug 28 2021 1:17 utc | 315

FoxNews Hannity broadcast (a large viewership in USA) is (at this moment) interviewing Amrullah Saleh who says that he can help Americans and SIVs after USA has left the country.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 1:18 utc | 316

Sen. Graham on the same Fox News Hannity Show: “A new 9-11 coming your way.”
The populist right essentially accept Panetta’s BS and see Biden as virtually a traitor. They are being told that Taliban, al Queda, and ISIS are basically the same (anti-USA, fellow-travelers).
Trump has fueled this fire by saying: “This wouldn’t have happened if I was President.”
No doubt that they will harp on this until the Nov. 2022 mid-term elections in USA.
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The urging of support for the Panjshir Resistance in US MSM is surprising and new. A week ago b claimed that they were kaput (Afghanistan – The New ‘Northern Alliance’ Resistance Has Already Fallen Apart) but they have still not give in and are still seeking USA/Western support. Do they already have CIA support?
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 1:44 utc | 317

Providing support to the NRF is critical for India’s strategic interests.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 28 2021 2:05 utc | 318

The military fails, the CIA takes over. . .
. . .NYTimes

The American covert operation in Afghanistan could be carried out by either C.I.A. operatives or Special Operations military troops acting under “Title 50” authority — similar to when Navy SEALs killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan on a mission run by the spy agency. Such episodes of putting the military under C.I.A. authority became more common in the post-9/11 era as the lines blurred between soldiers and spies. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 2:08 utc | 319

Tucker Carlson’s latest interviews on his “Tonight” show are sensational!
Blindsided progressives who mock Carlson/ Fox news are missing some utterly unprecedented, riveting television.
The guests include Gen. Kenneth McKenzie Jr, Joe Kent, Co. Douglas Macgregor (ret.), Jim Hanson, president, Securities studies group, and Glen Greenwald.
I recommend viewing the interviews on YouTube. Here is a link to the transcript of the interviews:
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-carlson-tonight-on-afghanistan-violence
Joe Kent is superb, a man with a political future- if indeed there is a future for the U.S.
As for Mr Carlson- he is on a roll, and I’m besotted!

Posted by: Australian Lady | Aug 28 2021 2:16 utc | 320

@AL # 320
That link’s a 404 — do you have a comment on the subject?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 2:29 utc | 321

August is going to be a long month.

Posted by: Smith | Aug 28 2021 2:48 utc | 322

Jackrabbit @ 317
The populist right essentially accept Panetta’s BS and see Biden as virtually a traitor. They are being told that Taliban, al Queda, and ISIS are basically the same (anti-USA, fellow-travelers).
I remember colonel David Hackworth and Gerald Celente on CNN when this all started opposing the war. They were they only ones and they were promptly kicked off all media. Hackworth was a legend, the most highly decorated soldier ever at the time. Celente was almost wiped out.
Generally though, it was those same right wing knuckle draggers that were tired of war who elected Trump on a platform on ending those two misadventures and more. Interesting enough it was the tea party types like Rand Paul who have been against this crap.
Where has the left been?
Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing?
Where have all the flowers gone, long time ago?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Young girls have picked them, every one
Oh when will they ever learn, oh when will they ever learn?

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2021 2:53 utc | 323

@ circ 323
David Hackworth! Thanks for that memory. I’m sorry he’s left us.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 3:10 utc | 324

Thank you jinn @ 300. A lot of the need to cast blame is frustration with the way in which the US government has behaved both at home and abroad, a very sorry record of needless carnage and destruction. There is so little faith in our country’s actions, understandably so. In any event, the accusations will, I suspect, please the perpetrators of the violence more than any of us here.
I do not think even the worst of our leaders would devise a plan to blow up US marines. Even if I am wrong in this, it is a better mindset for any of us to have, to keep faith with the process of extraction, which is what needs to happen.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 28 2021 3:12 utc | 325

thx Paul,DRCongo is probably the kindof solution that the West will try to negociate in Afghanistan: increased militia-ization allowing for mining

Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2021 3:15 utc | 326

“news” report
. . .U.S. Central Command said the U.S. conducted a drone strike against an Islamic State member in Nangahar believed to be involved in planning attacks against the U.S. in Kabul. The strike killed one individual, and spokesman Navy Capt. William Urban said they knew of no civilian casualties.
again
Information operations is “the integrated employment, during military operations, of information-related capabilities in concert with other lines of operation to influence, disrupt, corrupt, or usurp the decision-making of adversaries and potential adversaries while protecting our own.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 3:16 utc | 327

@ juliania 325
A lot of the need to cast blame is frustration with the way in which the US government has behaved both at home and abroad, a very sorry record of needless carnage and destruction
Yes. I was just reading my Howard Zinn (quote):
“How do we stop the fanaticism of both civilian and military leaders who feel it is America’s duty to establish its power, or its puppets, wherever possible in the world, and don’t care how many people, Americans or others, they kill in the process?”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 3:29 utc | 328

Don Bacon @Aug28 3:16 #327: … drone strike against an Islamic State member in Nangahar …
What will the Taliban have to say about that? USA has now established their “over-the-horizon” policing rights in Afghanistan.
And the ISIS – al Queda link – striking fear in the hearts of USA/Westerners – is (once again) made strikingly clear (pun intended), as can be seen from info available at the Wikipedia on Nangahar:

  • The province remained relatively calm until the 1980s Soviet–Afghan War. Nangarhar was used by pro-Pakistani mujahideen (rebel forces) fighting against the Soviet-backed Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.
  • Osama bin Laden held a strong position in Nangarhar during the late 1990s.He led a fight against US-led forces in the 2001 Tora Bora campaign.
  • [Tora Bora is near Nangarhar.]

  • On April 13, 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump ordered a targeted strike on ISIL-KP by use of the second largest non-nuclear bomb in the U.S. arsenal at the time. The bomb was a 21,000 lb. weapon called the Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb; nicknamed the “Mother Of All Bombs” (MOAB).
  • Nangarhar was once a major center of opium poppy production in the country, but by 2005 the province had reportedly decreased its production of poppy by up to 95%.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 3:52 utc | 329

I was just reading my Howard Zinn (quote):
“How do we stop the fanaticism of both civilian and military leaders who fee , and don’t care how many people, Americans or others, they kill in the process?”
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2021 3:29 utc | 328
A very inspiring question. Should fanaticism be stopped, or, being harder to eradicate than kudzu or Taliban, channelled in more productive directions?
It seems that Blinken and/or whoever does the thinking in Biden Administration sincerely believe in the credo of fanatics deprecated by Howard Zinn: “l it is America’s duty to establish its power, or its puppets, wherever possible in the world”. But they do not believe that it is possible in Afghanistan. Conceivable — yes, like we can conceive war of the Rings. Possible — not.
Thus there is a change of guard in Afghanistan, from an alien bunch of fanatics (RuBaWO religion, a.k.a. “rule based world order”) to the local team, Taliban, Deobandi Muslim (who lamentably have a very serious dogmatic difference with ISIS).
What is still missing, temporarily, are riots in D.C. by ISIS-like wing of RuBawo, inflamed by fiery speeches of Panetta and others.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 28 2021 4:16 utc | 330

Posted by Mina @ 326
The situation in the D R Congo is opaque. A dangerous jurisdiction with changeable regulations, corruption, malitia groups, child labour, shady practices, disastrous pollution and crooked mining companies.
Search the net for ‘Okapi’ and find the huge UNESCO listed Okapi wildlife park in the DR Congo.
From memory, one Australian mining company, Okapi Resources, had very promising gold deposits in the DR Congo but reference to that has disappeared from their website and the net:
https://www.okapiresources.com
Some miners sell assets and move on to other projects.
Now Okapi Resources has suddenly re emerged to become become a significant uranium miner in the US, see the company website.
I doubt Afghanistan will be considered a safe jurisdiction for some time. Unless the mining company is Chinese with their own protection.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 28 2021 4:33 utc | 331

Posted by Mina @ 326
Here is some more on the DR Congo. One Israeli billionaire is set to make another $ two billion because of his bribery, again hard to find.
Of course, Biden refuses to listen to calls to act against this crook.
Could he perhaps be invited to make a donation to the Clinton Foundation like Marc Rich?
https://www.rt.com/news/529307-graft-scandal-billionaire-bribes/
I don’t think carpetbaggers like this will bee welcome in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 28 2021 4:47 utc | 332

@329 Jackrabbit – “What will the Taliban have to say about that? USA has now established their “over-the-horizon” policing rights in Afghanistan.”
Yes, that seems to be the case. Eventually, it must fade away as the 13 dead are avenged, perhaps one by one. Although there will be those in the US who think that if the precedent is set, then it is set forever – and they are wrong.
Because something else may happen. The Afghani dead from these attacks may also be avenged, in ways that the Pentagon will come to know about, although the outside world may not. It may not even come from Afghanistan. Justice may be distributed from anywhere within or even throughout all of the realm of the Resistance.
We cannot guess what will happen in the equations of justice and revenge, but we can sense that the US is standing on a leg that doesn’t touch the ground.
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We discuss the implacable violence of the US, and Don Bacon in the comment before yours sets it out well in Zinn’s words.
But we now live in a world in which the US is dwarfed by the powers surrounding Afghanistan. The US is now dwarfed. Even in MAD, it is dwarfed. In conventional warfare, it is dwarfed. The US is now dwarfed – and we know that planners within the US are trying to appreciate this reality.
The time will come when the US is gazing straight and steady down the barrel of the SCO. And then it will understand its dwarfism.
As with everything to do with the US, some people will die and be horribly maimed as it awakens to its new stature. But nothing can change that stature, or reverse its continuous shrinking.
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It’s not the best word I could have wished to offer, but it’ll have to do. The US goes down. It may take a fraction longer than one hopes. But the tides of history cannot be reversed.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 28 2021 4:50 utc | 333

ToivoS – you are 100% right about the polio vaccination campaign debacle in Pakistan. That was utterly egregious. It’s not the first time the CIA has used vaccination campaigns to do these things. I mean, couldn’t they have at least still administered the vaccine along with their spy craft. Evil, horrible people.
So it’s RICH to hear that NPR is clucking their tongue over the Taliban rejecting vaccines. They actually don’t oppose it, they just know more about our crooked country than we do. At least they have a legitimate reason to be wary of the vaccinators. California – and elsewhere – has plenty of its share of hip antivax circles, who believe shit like if you can’t pronounce an ingredients name you shouldn’t eat that food. It’s the hubris of first world concerns: we reject vaccines because we literally don’t know have even a basic level of understanding how science or biology works – never mind not being able to analyze the structure of an argument. In countries with real concerns, they are happy to receive a vaccine if they can get one, or can recognize the rational argument made in favor of getting the shot and overcome their hesitancy. And in too many countries they are wary of *vaccinators* because they don’t want their country to be invaded, or infiltrated or spied on by various “NGOs”. Those are reasons for hesitancy. The stupid, it melts my brain.

Posted by: Jessica Sager | Aug 28 2021 5:06 utc | 334

@300
“The only way the US is going to be involved in fighting IS-K in Afghanistan (outside of Kabul airport) is if the Taliban invites the US to help. That scenario is not outside the realm of possibility. But if that does happen it certainly is not because the CIA was behind the bombing.”
Yep, U.S jumping back into Afghanistan at this point would be PR suicide and it would probably involve door-to-door fighting in Kabul now that the Taliban have become entrenched. Will U.S bomb Kabul into oblivion because 13 marines died? The U.S knew the attack was coming and took the risk anyway. They will not, and have not been deterred.
As I have discussed with others, the assumption by many commentators here is that ‘u.s is guilty until proven innocent’ in which case there is too much emotional attachment to a particular narrative about the U.S.

Posted by: Me2 | Aug 28 2021 5:08 utc | 335

I know Afghanistan is a “resource rich” country, as wonks like to call it. I thought I read somewhere once that extracting whatever those resources are is very difficult and would take a long time, but I don’t recall any details. You guys are all smarter than I am on such matters, so I thought I’d see if that rings any bells.

Posted by: Jessica Sager | Aug 28 2021 5:08 utc | 336

US are still firmly planted at Tanf in Syria and are also still busy pumping oil in east Syria. Two places they ‘couldn’t hold’.
The precursor for US accusing the Taliban of harboring terrorists has occurred. Afghan funds are frozen in the US. Once US is out it will most likely again accuse Taliban of harboring terrorists. In that case, there is absolutely nothing stopping US conducting strikes into Afghanistan.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 5:09 utc | 337

Paul
Okapi Resources I believe it was this lot I read about them some time back. When I looked into it, they looked a bit shady. Something about paying out a lot in bribes to one administration, then the next administration booted them out and gave or leased the the rights to a Chinese company.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 5:24 utc | 338

Don Bacon @Aug28 3:16 #327: … drone strike against an Islamic State member in Nangahar …
What will the Taliban have to say about that? USA has now established their “over-the-horizon” policing rights in Afghanistan.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 28 2021 3:52 utc | 329

Forgive the nitpicking, but the USA has asserted their “over-the-horizon” policing rights in Afghanistan.
If they did so without consultation then all they’ve “established” is a powerful desire within the Taliban to teach them some manners and remind them to stop believing their own bullshit.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 28 2021 5:34 utc | 339

An Australian company paying bribes overseas! Shock, horror, Isn’t that against the law? Didn’t the government notice?
Remember the Australian Wheat Board scandal and the bribes for the ‘transport’ of wheat to Iraq?
The AWB should have known Iraq was listed for destruction and balkanisation according to the Yinnon Plan. Silly boys.
The Okapi leases have probably been taken over by the Israeli billionaire now.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 28 2021 6:47 utc | 340

President Biden: “To those who carried out this attack, as well as any who wishes America harm, know this: we will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay.”
So, I guess it is time for the US to invade Langley Virginia

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 28 2021 7:26 utc | 341

Paul 340
Found the article again but different Australian company and different project.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-05/verrender-analysis-china-new-front-in-trade-war-with-australia/100267102
“And while Sundance has a chequered history in the region — having faced Australian Federal Police investigations over allegations it bribed the Congo President and the current Mines Minister – it is not the only Australian company to suddenly be stripped of its mining rights in the Congo.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 7:38 utc | 342

“Republican demands “
Come on, now.
You know full welll that both parties, in both houses, have interests in the MIC and perpetual war.
War profiteering and neo-con lobbying involves both blue and red team.
2 sides of the same coin.
It doesn’t matter who runs the show,
even though right now it’s team blue,
It’s all about the MIC money when it comes to military operations and hegemonic power projection,

Posted by: Cadence calls | Aug 28 2021 7:43 utc | 343

Posted by: Cadence calls | Aug 28 2021 7:43 utc | 343
Yes, Jimmy Dore and Chris Hedges discuss the duopoly party as well and why it exists on these recent clips:
https://jimmydorecomedy.com/

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 28 2021 8:44 utc | 344

For those wonering about Erdoğan and Turkey in Afghanistan.
https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-would-not-benefit-from-conflict-between-terror-groups-in-afghanistan-erdogan-167421
“Turkey has pulled out all its civilians and military from Afghanistan except for a small number of technicians, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Aug. 28.”

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 28 2021 9:20 utc | 345

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 7:38 utc | 342
Thank You Peter, illuminating article.
Normally the ‘rules’ require a %20 holding to either make a take over offer or divest.
It seems their rules’ are changeable only for Chinese investments. Australia is the new DR Congo when it comes to the ‘rules’.
Australia is capital poor and would normally welcome investment. China is the exception now.
The capital poor status is until Australia creates it’s own credit devoid of private banisters , take note Max.
The ghost of RFX Connor MP haunts the Parliament today, If only Australia heeded RFX Connor’s advice, Australia would be the wealthiest country in the world today.
No wonder Whitlam was deposed so early.
And no wonder there is a trade war.today

Posted by: Paul | Aug 28 2021 11:43 utc | 346

Juliana @ 325 wrote:
I do not think even the worst of our leaders would devise a plan to blow up US marines.
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The CIA is certainly capable of instigating the act of blowing up marines, but I think it is ludicrous to speculate that the purpose is to launch a new invasion (covert or overt) against Afghanistan. The CIA had a year and a half to throw a wrench into the peace agreement between the US and Taliban and didn’t do it.
This happened after it was too late to reverse course and there is no evidence any attempt to reverse course is being made. Every indication is that both the Taliban and US are still in full agreement on how they will proceed. Any retaliation against IS-K will also likely be with full agreement of both parties.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 28 2021 13:37 utc | 347

@329 “What will the Taliban have to say about that? USA has now established their “over-the-horizon” policing rights in Afghanistan.”
Not too much publicly. They are probably telling the US where to find the ISIS guys. The Taliban will need some help getting rid of them.

Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2021 14:39 utc | 348

“there is too much emotional attachment to a particular narrative about the U.S.”
Posted by: Me2 | Aug 28 2021 5:08 utc | 335
well, that is certainly true, especially from the political class in the usa that get up on the podium regularly and spout the same drivel 24-7… and it would apply to all the ignoramus’s who believe everything they say as well… i don’t expect these politicians and a good number of americans to get their head out of there ass anytime soon either..

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2021 16:34 utc | 349

Peter AU1 @337–
IMO, the SCO will stop them since every such attack is also an attack on the SCO’s attempts to eliminate ISIS-K–UNLESS–as in Syria, it’s done in coordination with SCO forces. We’ll know much more after the SCO and CSTO Summits which occur 16 days from now. IMO, it’s possible we’ll see elite Tajik troops deployed to aid the Taliban, particularly those with equipment and skills Taliban lack to help in the hunt. It’s important to note the Afghan delegation at the SCO Summit will consist of Taliban, not the disintegrated NATO puppet government, so I expect the talks to be deeply serious with associated decisions taken. IMO, this will be the most important SCO Summit to-date and its consequences will be of equal importance.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 28 2021 18:00 utc | 350

Dh@Aug 28 2021 14:39 utc | 348
“They are probably telling the US where to find the ISIS guys. The Taliban will need some help getting rid of them.”
We know:
“The United States has conducted a drone strike against Daesh*-Khorasan targets in retaliation for a suicide bomber attack that killed 13 US troops and over 170 civilians near Kabul Airport on Thursday.”
Looks like the US STILL has no sense of its own boundaries or feels a need to coordinate with even a titular and unwilling “host” despite a signed agreement to leave and cease further attacks on Afghanistan soil.
“The US should’ve warned the Taliban* of an upcoming airstrike on Daesh-Khorasan targets, Reuters cited Zabihullah Mujahid”
According to Reuters, Mujahid said the airstrikes were a “clear attack” on Afghan territory that killed two people and injured two women and a child.
The US claims that no civilians were wounded in the strike.
According to Major General William Taylor, deputy director of the Joint Staff for Regional Operations, no civilians were wounded in the strike.
“Without specifying any future plans, I will say that we will continue to have the ability to defend ourselves and to leverage over-the-horizon capability to conduct counterterrorism operations as needed,” he added.
As if an illegal invader/occupier has a right of self-defense and can operate militarily in Afghanistan unilaterally.
Unless Reuters has the comment from the Taliban all wrong, a reasonable possibility, the US did and does not intend to “coordinate” and keep the Afghans informed of more US “strikes” whenever the US wants to make them
It seems worth noting that their isn’t any way of confirming the US claim re no civilians. But the Taliban seems to be trying to prevent further escalation…

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Aug 28 2021 20:26 utc | 351

karlof1 350
It will be interesting to see what happens re SCO/Afghanistan.
As we have seen in Syria, Russia doesn’t escalate to a wider war by shooting down whatever attacks Syria, be it US, Israel or Turkey. It has upgraded the the already existing means for Syria to defend its airspace. S-300s have not been used. Afghanistan has very little existing air defence equipment to upgrade so I suspect they will have to take a lot more hits than the Syrians and just wear it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 28 2021 20:37 utc | 352

To get the background to the debacle read this, the best of the best from the pen of the good doctor Dalrymple:
https://unherd.com/?p=199454?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=91195e0f71&mc_eid=4df68f5a98

Posted by: Baron | Aug 28 2021 22:11 utc | 353