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August 26, 2021
Further U.S. Hostility Against The Taliban Is Not In Its Best Interest

The chaotic evacuation of international 'assets' and economic migrants from Kabul airport just got more complicate.

An hour ago a suicide bomber blew himself up amidst a crowd which was waiting to get access to the airport. Additionally gunfire was heard. At least 13 people got killed. There are pictures and video of dozens of killed and wounded Afghans.

Hours ago the U.S. and UK had warned of an imminent ISIS attack on the airport and had asked their citizens to stay away from the airport.

The evacuation flights for civilians were supposed to end today. That was to leave time for the several thousand military on the ground to wrap up their mission before the August 31 end date. The Taliban have insisted on that final date.

Whoever has sent in the suicide bomber wanted to interrupt that process. Your guess who that was is as good as mine.

The whole evacuation panic was and is, in my view, totally unnecessary.

The Taliban have no interest in taking hostages or in taking systematic revenge on Afghan personnel that had worked with foreign governments. They publicly issued a complete amnesty. They also need money, international recognition and support.

The U.S. has blocked the Afghan central bank accounts with the Fed and ordered the IMF and the World Bank to not provide money to Afghanistan. That is huge leverage.

The U.S. could have used that leverage in a positive sense to organize, if necessary at all, a very smooth and orderly evacuation of people by normal civil flights over several weeks or months. But for some reason the Pentagon friendly media in Washington created an artificial panic and set off a monstrous military emergency show.

The U.S. should by the way lift its block on that Afghan money. It is in its best interest to have good relations with the Taliban. The German chancellor Merkel recognized that. She announced that Germany will continue to support Afghanistan even under Taliban rule. It is the right thing to do because Afghanistan is still a dirt poor country, because there are people in need and because it is in 'western' interest to keep Afghanistan peaceful and united. An unruly Afghanistan under financial pressure is way more likely to create trouble abroad – be it as shelter for global militants or as a source of huge refugee streams.

Withholding money does not create long term leverage. Leverage is to use money to reward good behavior. The Taliban have so far behaved very well. They protected the airport from again being overrun. All of Kabul except for the airport is living a normal life. People are back at work, the banks have reopened.

President Joe Biden has taken on political risk by ordering the complete retreat from Afghanistan. Should he consider further hostility against the country, by financial means or by igniting a new civil war as some Republican demands, he will not gain the political profit from it.

Comments

@186 Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 3:16 utc
“What’s at stake in the collapse of Anglo-American Empire is the eventual rearrangement of geopolitical relations such that the US accepts being merely one great power amongst equals,…”
Yes, agreed. However, as the London tantrums suggest, it goes deeper into the core myths and metaphors for the Anglo-speaking/thinking world. For example, as with the 5G frontline, China has taken the lead in technology innovation, standards and therfore IP rights. Response: ban it from core infrastructre based on ‘snooping’ rights.
The depth of this anglo-western ‘Ashura’ angst and hand-wringing displayed in this entirely predictable Afghan outcome hints at a far deeper tipping point in the balance: the “Limits to Growth” — a metaphor in the 1970’s that caused exorcist-level head spinning and vomit by the usual suspects (in the process of skipping off with 40-years of fiat money ‘free lunch’ futures).
While there are seemingly no limits to the Federal Reserve’s ‘sit down’ IOU money at the moment, the real world is moving along smoothly into the next century — one where the English language will not be the ‘go to’ domain for scientific, economic or political progress. Expect growth in Chinese and Russian (and perhaps German) translation skills. This is what sits deep beneath the English parliamentary tantrums, imo — Sisyphus’ colonial empire rock has just rolled down the Himalayan/Hindu Kush mountain again into the Indian ocean. And they don’t have the post-colonial grift-systems in place to start again. The magnetic north may flip to the south pole sometime down the centuries — but the colonial north has just started the front-running from the Kabul airport.
Poor little-britian, the poor white trash of Asian in Oz, and the manic depressive Canada quietly ignoring the madhouse to the south: Roll on ‘king charlie’ and his ‘Goon Show’ to complete Act III of the cosmic post-colonial comedy.

Posted by: imo | Aug 27 2021 4:23 utc | 201

Love the blog.
b pretending he knows what the Taliban intend or are thinking is laughable.
“But they said they would….”
“In their statements, they said….”
I get you want to spin articles, we all do spin.
But come on, b.
You have zero idea what the Taliban intends.
So far, you’ve come up snake eyes by trusting official sources with Covid or this Afghan situation.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Aug 27 2021 4:25 utc | 202

@Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 27 2021 3:32 utc | 191
Being raised in Northern England I am pretty immune to most insults, but “you both sound like one of those fellows from a Five-Eyes think tank on this one” is beyond the pale mate! I am certainly no servant of the Empire, perhaps a little bit too academic, but certainly no Imperial lackey.
The five eyes are fully in bed with India as a useful counter-weight to China (e.g. the Quad with Japan and Australia). Capitalists have never had a problem with fascists, as long as the fascists are their allies – Hitler and Mussolini were admired until they went off script, same with military dictatorships and absolute monarchies.
P.S. I registered for the conference…

Posted by: Roger | Aug 27 2021 4:28 utc | 203

Zeug Gezeugt #192
Thank you, but my desire is to see the ‘leaders’ of the USAi certainly interred at the village cemetery as only then will I rest assured they are no longer a threat to the global village.
I am not advocating warfare as they seem to be doing an excellent suicide right now. I just hanker for certainty.
As for the Isis attack at the airport, I guess that gives the Taliban government some licence to eradicate that faction entirely. They might even find them somehow in bed with the pretend opposition resistance 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 4:30 utc | 204

Don Bacon “Is there any hope for a Gough Whitlam #2”
Not a thing. What I put here about the five-eyes inteligence establishment is ridiculed a bit here, but they hold the reigns of power. CIA is very much a part of that formal (not guessed at) arrangement. Whoever controls the media controls the politicians ect. At the time of Whitlam, Murdoch was fully aboard. CIA, London (like NZ and Canada, the English monarch is our head of state), Murdoch were very much involved in the take down of Whitlam.
Robert Parry wrote a few pieces on perception management after the Reagan papers were released.
Wandering a bit there I guess but nothing on the horizon and if there was it would quickly be destroyed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 4:32 utc | 205

@uncle tungsten 204
Re ISIS my assumption would be that they continue to be a tool in the US/NATO bag of destabilisation tricks and are to be fully covertly supported in their future Afghanistan adventures any which way possible. As far as I know, the Indians are also supportive insofar as ISIS remains an enemy of the Taliban/Pakistan. Like the Panjshir debacle though, neo-Taliban will probably do a deal with the tribal elders while actively hunting down and destroying foreign Takfiri influences, as they’ve promised their various neighbours not least China and Russia. Eurasian integration awaits the victors of a united Afghanistan!

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 4:48 utc | 206

@ Peter 205
Sorry to hear that, but thanks. I will offer that “intelligence” has nothing to do with it, and money rules instead for influence, but it doesn’t really matter. Of course the CIA itself is much more than intelligence, many books written about it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 4:49 utc | 207

@Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 0:28 utc | 149

“We will not forgive, we will not forget,” US President Joe Biden said during a televised live conference.

That’s exactly the slogan used by “Anonymous”. If anyone doubted it, we have confirmation that “Anonymous” = Deep State

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2021 5:22 utc | 208

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42151/american-troops-confirmed-killed-in-kabul-airport-terror-bombing
A running update here from not too idiotic USA perspective. This site is regularly hosing down anti Taliban stuff. Says isisuk is renegade etc, etc.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 5:49 utc | 209

Afghanistan has significant amounts of iron ore, probably with much more to be discovered, which meshes nicely with China’s desire to diversify their sources, especially given the situation with Australia.
Moving millions of tons of it directly to China through the Wakhan Corridor by rail would be an engineering challenge but probably not impractical for the Chinese.

Posted by: Billb | Aug 27 2021 6:29 utc | 210

Zeug Gezeugt #206
Agreed and the Taliban will likely succeed in their hunt unless the pantjir nutjob quislings sabotage them.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 6:30 utc | 211

uncle tungsten 211
Will be interesting to see what happens. Taliban I think are now part of the multipolar world which has become very good at digging out US assets. With this bombing, US have announced their continuation of the war of terror. US have their ISIS assets in Afghanistan along with a few others…. US intentions are clear but the outcome is not. US bowing out of Afghanistan like the honorable vanquished is just not in the playbook.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 7:00 utc | 212

“Never let a good crisis terrorist attack go to waste”
We must stay focused on FACTS.
And now, US are OFFICIALLY working with Talib Authorities for security and transportation.
As Rêver wrote last week

Thank’s Gordog for staying focused on the technical and therefore factual aspects of airborne operations.
There is no way to complete airborne evacuation under enemy fire. Aircraft are fragile things and need large operational and logistical areas.
An airport or even an air base like Bagram or Ain El-Assad needs protection of a perimeter at least greater than the range of the weapons carried by the enemy troops.
I would say, in the present conditions, at least a few kilometers.
Is there a technical possibility of SIMULTANEOUS evacuation of several thousand people and equipment? No.
The road convoy? Through the passes? I bet on a week ago. That was a bit late, 5 days ago, even with protective air support. Today? It’s 200 to 300 military vehicles and as many buses, initially, possibly a few thousand more along the way.
A 25 km convoy. Good luck.
So the exit must be negotiated and finally the evacuation can only be done under the protection of the Taliban (there are surely thousands of individuals ready to risk their lives to avenge the death of a father, a mother or a child).

I am not 100% agree this morning with Bhadrakumar, but part of his analysis is

Thus, it is to be expected that the terrorist attacks in Kabul will prompt a major rethink in Washington’s approach to the Taliban. What direction it will take remains to be seen. But at any rate, a deeper engagement with the Taliban has become a necessity for Washington for the simple reason that they are the compelling reality in Kabul and they control almost the entire Afghanistan […] the US will need a strong intelligence presence in Kabul. Thus, the reopening of the US embassy in Kabul may become unavoidable sooner rather than later.
The Taliban are pragmatic. They’ll be positive […]
https://www.indianpunchline.com/reflections-on-events-in-afghanistan-9/

Such a “just-in-time” “ISIS©-suicide™-bombing®” was not organized to go to waste.
I just wanted to added. Don’t try to understand too much the Talibans from a western non-Muslim point of view.
On murder, the family of the victims is more powerful as the State Authorities [even Talibs’s one]
https://www.islamawareness.net/Shariah/sh_article003.html
That’s why so many people want to fly away from their victim’s family. And they will not.

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 27 2021 7:03 utc | 213

“And now, US are OFFICIALLY working with Talib Authorities for security and transportation.”
Bullshit. US deal for pulling out of Afghanistan was that Taliban did not harbor terrorists. That is how US kicked off its war of terror.
Now taliban must hand over the the b perps that like other type incidents are instantly known to the US.
Suckers or tools, its hard to pick the difference at times. And by that I do not mean the taliban.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 7:17 utc | 214

karlof1 @38, thanks for responding also, but for the record the offer was reported by the Guardian back in the day, and I can remember having known about it from other sources as well. And I haven’t found corroboration, but my memory was that the specific request for proof was made then also – I’ll look a bit further.
Apologies that the Guardian doesn’t allow me to read this article – says I’ve read more this month than I’m allowed, which isn’t true. I never go there now, though I would have back then. But here’s what duckduckgo allows me to see of it:

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over …
Search domain
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5
Oct 14, 2001, Sun 14 Oct 2001 17.19 EDT. President George Bush rejected as “non-negotiable” an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan …

Posted by: juliania | Aug 27 2021 7:24 utc | 215

Yes, with respect to my earlier post, here it is again reported in 2001 by CBS News – so it was indeed out in the media then:

Taliban Won’t Turn Over Bin Laden
BY CBSNEWS.COM STAFF CBSNEWS.COM STAFF
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 / 7:30 PM / CBS
Without evidence, Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers will not hand over Osama bin Laden, Afghanistan’s ambassador to Pakistan said Friday.
The rejection came in a statement by Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan. Asked whether the Taliban would hand over bin Laden, Zaeef said, “No.” But his translator said, “No, not without evidence.”
He also said he had no information on bin Laden’s current whereabouts.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 27 2021 7:34 utc | 216

juliania 215
going to your link I could read the full article and tempted to copy and past it here in full. Although the world as changed, nothing in US elite outlook has changed. They are once again back to the start point of the US war of terror.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 7:36 utc | 217

Peter AU #214
I don’t think or wrote that Talibs are “suckers or tools”. Neither been one. 😉
Sorry not to be clear.
US need Talibans, Talibs just need US to fly far away (with as much murderers they want to fly back). That’s why I am not 100% agree with Bhadrakumar.
As Rêver wrote 3 days ago

So the exit must be negotiated and finally the evacuation can only be done under the protection of the Taliban (there are surely thousands of individuals ready to risk their lives to avenge the death of a father, a mother or a child).
You know what? That was well understood by Trump’s administration, negociated and signed.
The Talibans respect the deal, even after the Trump’s deadline. But I hope that “Biden”‘s are not too foolish to try to screw them.
I really recommend reading Fred Reeve’s text
https://www.unz.com/freed/despair-in-the-empire-of-graveyards/

Another reason is that the American style of war recruits its enemies. Soldiers are not the Boy Scout defenders of civilization that so many like to imagine. They kill a lot of civilians, many tens of thousands in the bombing[…]
Finally, or as much as I am going to worry about, there is the 1955 Syndrome, the engrained belief that America is all powerful. This is arrogance and self-delusion. In the Pentagon you encounter a mandatory can-do attitude a belief that the US military is indomitable, the best trained, armed, and led force in this or any nearby galaxy. In one sense this is necessary: You can’t tell the Marines that they are mediocre light infantry or sailors that their aircraft are rapidly obsolescing, their ships sitting ducks in a changing military world, and that the whole military enterprise is rotted by social engineering, profiteering, and careerism.[…]

Posted by: Jibril | Aug 27 2021 7:37 utc | 218

RE: Posted by: imo | Aug 27 2021 4:23 utc | 201
“”What’s at stake in the collapse of Anglo-American Empire is the eventual rearrangement of geopolitical relations such that the US accepts being merely one great power amongst equals,…”
This is the “reform” hypothesis, apparently to be attained by increasing mea culpas which others are unlikely to accept.
That is the hope of some which they frame in “nation states” thereby obfuscating the purpose, the facilities, and the extent of possible opponents.
It is based on hopes of, and reliance upon precedent – the “Maybe this time, we’ll be lucky again” hope – with a side dish of “leverage”.
Since at least 1917 “The United States of America” and the “Anglo-American Empire” have been at war with the world framed in Wilsonian doctrine – including but not limited to “The Versaille settlement – the world with which they have been at war including themselves.
However the falsely branded “The United States of America” or “The Anglo-American Empire” is a complex of coercive social relations which are attempting to control and be replicated throughout planet earth.
These coercive social relations currently have a high probability of undermining environments to a degree which would put many if not all life forms in jeopardy, which an increasing sum of others seek to transcend, including the illusions of “unlimted growth”,by way of co-operative social relations,
In any lateral processes all things change and interact; change is a constant where the prime variables are trajectories and velocities.
Consequently these coercive social relations will likely have a reducing half-life with varying trajectories and velocities during the process of transcendence.
Hence it is unlikely that “The United States of America” and “The Anglo-American Empire” will ever be accepted as one great power amongst equals, whilst others may resort to constructing Potemkin villages for those living in halls of mirrors so they can continue “to see” what they expect to see – informed by the view that it is better manners to render an opponent a useful fool rather than killing her/him – , since the purpose of others include the transcendence of “powers” and current definitions/perceptions of “greatness”.
Resort to violence is always counter-productive in some degree, whilst simultaneously having the possibility of being evaluated in interactions and possible “benefits”, including in respect “what is for afters”, whether in context, including trajectories and velocities, that the benefits of resort to violence are qualitatively more advantageous/productive than the counter-productivities of resort to violence, whilst planning and implementing strategies to minimise “blow-back”.
Hence the question: “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blow-back ?”
and discussions whether in the event of “climate change” rendering all life forms unsustainable on planet earth, the process should be accelerated by use of nuclear weapons.
Typically coercive social relations have limited propensity to make such evaluations and strategies as a function of their purpose and limited options of facilitation.
Consequently by being complicit in these coercive social relations, those doing so render themselves food sources and human shields of these coercive social relations, whom with benefit of “dumbing down” have been rendered increasingly ineffective.
As Mr. Fields advised “There comes a time in the affairs of men, when we should grab the bull by the tail, and face the situation.”

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 7:46 utc | 219

The Taliban are now in a situation where they made agreements with many people and it becomes very hard not to alienate part of those who support them. They will install Sharia not just because they want to but also because they have to. If they now even appear to become too mild, acceptable to the US or Russia or the other ethnicities people may abandon them. The mere fact of turning into a governing power already will cause internal tensions.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 27 2021 8:05 utc | 220

@187 Don Bacon “That’s not the US position, which has media support.”
I believe that this article is the sanest explanation for the insanity coming out of the White House, with “media support”.
https://truthout.org/articles/we-lost-the-war-in-afghanistan-we-need-to-say-so/

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 27 2021 8:13 utc | 221

Three USAF KS-135 tanker aircraft have been seen arriving in the Persian Gulf.
They will be necessary for either; providing fuel to aircraft in Kabul, Helicopters, etc. who have not been refueled recently,or, Providing fuel for more aggressive USAF airplanes to cover the retreat from the air (aircraft actually outside the Afghan airspace), or, Provide fuel for more aggressive aircraft to actually operate over Afghanistan. (Reprisals).
(That they might be there to facilitate an Israeli attck on Iran under cover of the present congestion, would be beyond stupid – so it is not to be excluded.)
The blackout of Military aircraft movement continues.
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A different viewpoint; (A bit deliberately so).
1) The rapid depart from Bagram was NOT a blunder. If the US had tried to do an “organised” evacuation, then pressure coming from within the US would have almost certainly stopped it in its tracks. With the warmongers, commercial exploiters and simply war crazy, ALL putting pressure on Biden to stay. They would have had a longer time to react. So – It would not have happened.
2) The takeover of the country by the Taliban in 11 days, and specifically the collapse of the regular Afghan Army may well have been miscalculated badly. (Or by design eventually, if a mutually agreed timeline of the evacuation had been previously agreed to?)
3) The present mutual help between the US troops in Kabul and the Taliban, is, as Gordog said some time ago, necessary for the Troops on the ground to be evacuated. They BOTH want the US to leave with a minimum of casualties. Gen. Milley is coordinating with whomever is in charge in Kabul. Normal, He has to make the best of a bad job.
4) The ISIS-K and “Nothin’ resistance”. These should have been calculated in, as OUTSIDE players tried to reverse the US evacuation effort. ie. The CIA for the ISIS-K, and India for the “Nothin’ resistance”.
*****
One thing worth a follow-up will be the general reduction in hostilities between many ME countries.ie.
Saudi and Iran.
Iran and Afghanistan.
Syria with Qatar and Serbia (Embassies or consular links?)
Lebanon Crisis and OIl (Iran).
Are these a result of the reduction in US meddling, and a lessening of belligerent action/talk from Israel? (Syrian air defenses have improved, as have those in Iran). More attacks on supplies for US troops in Irag and Syrai. etc.
OR are these a realisation of the Win-win of the BRI?
There is still a lot going on under the surface, that we do not know about.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 27 2021 8:16 utc | 222

Thank you, PeterAU 1 @ 217, I must have sounded as a bit of a nitpicker, and apologies for that, but I have been catching up tonight to everyone’s shock and horror at the atrocity perpetrated at the airport.
Many lives have been lost, where the chaos was only one of desperate people and those trying to manage it as best they could. I had been following a different path here in the US as details on the covid situation were clarifying – would recommend some conversations and links at nakedcapitalism.com links for Thursday relating to the vaccine problems. And as I never go to mainstream media and don’t watch many videos, I haven’t been as exposed to ongoing news as many commenting here.
If indeed this was an ISIS operation, as the US had been warning, my own thoughts as I read here have focused on the Turkish offer to control the airport, given that they in Syria were profiting from ISIS control of the north there in earlier days, and also given that strong clues to US involvement in the near assassination of Erdogan would be a remembered insult.
Of course I can’t at this distance point the finger of blame, but as some have said, it could be this tragedy will rather bring the US to reality, that as Putin has said all along, the enemy is terrorism. The Taliban, even given their ethical and sometimes punitive focus, have an honor code which can be relied on. What they say they will do, they do, very like the pueblo native Americans I live among. Promises made are promises kept. They are not to blame for this carnage.
Condolences in this tragedy to all who have lost dear ones. I hope the evil can be transformed into better resolve, not for vengeance but for the eradication of the common enemy, which can further threaten all peace loving persons. This time, let’s do it right.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 27 2021 8:41 utc | 223

Stonebird
Looks to be some contradictions in 4).
The ISIS-K and “Nothin’ resistance”. These should have been calculated in, as OUTSIDE players tried to reverse the US evacuation effort. ie. The CIA for the ISIS-K, and India for the “Nothin’ resistance”.
Outside players and internal players merge as does CIA and media merge into this inside outside mix.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 8:48 utc | 224

quoted above “Thus, it is to be expected that the terrorist attacks in Kabul will prompt a major rethink in Washington’s approach to the Taliban. What direction it will take remains to be seen. But at any rate, a deeper engagement with the Taliban has become a necessity for Washington for the simple reason that they are the compelling reality in Kabul and they control almost the entire Afghanistan” (Badhrakumar)
just as it starts to unfold in Africa… make peace with boko haram against the rogue boko, make peace with AQIM against IS, etc.
what a great idea it was to use Syria as a breeding farm for all these groups.. the MIC has decades of business ahead, that is, until there is no livable planet at all.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 27 2021 8:50 utc | 225

My condolences to all US people and friends, it is a terrible day for a lot of families, to think that this coming fall there will be an immense void in so many homes, and a lot of still living but destroyed young lives.
Now dear USians think about it, your government has been dishing out for decades this misery all over the world paid by you and all honest and working US people, it is time for you to think about it and to do something about it, we cannot save you from yourselves, it is high time you wake up and rebel against a cancer that is corroding the whole world, we cannot do it for you, it has to be you to take that first step.
Peace be with you and with all of us.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 27 2021 9:10 utc | 226

juliania
I scan the headlines of the western MSM each day. It gives a good indication of the intentions of the powers that be .
Something that has happened and that I have not seen mentioned as such is that the US occupation has unified Afghanistan. The so called northern alliance seems to have disappeared.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 9:15 utc | 227

While there are seemingly no limits to the Federal Reserve’s ‘sit down’ IOU money at the moment, the real world is moving along smoothly into the next century — one where the English language will not be the ‘go to’ domain for scientific, economic or political progress. Expect growth in Chinese and Russian (and perhaps German) translation skills.

Small counterexample, if it’s as good as any: Where would programming languages like C, Java and Python and operating systems like Linux fall under, with their use of English? How proficient in English would one need to be to use those languages/systems, assuming they would still be used?
That aside, I can see where this would go.
One complaint I have always had with English is how inconsistent the spelling is with the pronunciation, even in native words. Examples like ‘slaughter’ VS ‘laughter’ need no introduction.
Another complaint I have had is how a single word in the same context can have different pronunciations or spellings depending on the region (the USA on one hand, and (former) British territories on the other). Blatant examples include ‘tomato’ and ‘colo(u)r’. I can’t remember this being the case in Russian – could be because it’s not as spread-out as English is throughout the world, or because of its phonetic nature helped by the Cyrillic alphabet.

Posted by: joey_n | Aug 27 2021 9:34 utc | 228

joey_n
There’s English and there’s US ‘English’. On the internet, all spell checkers seem to use the US pigeon spelling.I make plenty of typos and straight out miss spell words and on top of that the yank spell checkers red marks the ones I have right.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 9:46 utc | 229

Australian Lady #148
Thank you for that post and reference. And as you say “The Turkish state is as malign and dangerous as its U.S. counterpart“. That is for sure, the masters of war and darkness IMO. There is not one democratic bone in the entire Erdogan body.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 9:48 utc | 230

F-35 combat radius is around 1100k. 1000k from Kabul to the Baluchistan coast. At Mach .8 less than three hours round trip. Six hours from the base in Qatar. Both launch from carrier and takeoff from Qatar are not off the table, both fueling up over international waters. Nothing in the way of air defenses as yet that would prevent this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 10:14 utc | 231

Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 8:48 utc | 224
Plenty of contradictions.
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I was thinking of the CIA base in the Centre-East of Afghanistan having disappeared from the radar without a sound. What happened to it and when? Helmand or Herat? This suddenly makes the CIA “external”. William Burnes visit to Kabul probably was some sort of blackmail (using ISIS-K?) or attempt to do some sort of deal about continued drug supplies. (I can’t remember where I read it, but lots of people in the US are supposed to be pissed off about losing their well paying business)
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Northern resistance. They are said to have a link with suppliers from Tajikstan. India claim they have a base (new one to me) at “Gisser Airfield” in Tajikstan. They have lost their overpopulated “Embassy” (hundreds of personnel but variable total?) from which they infiltrated Pakistan. They too are now external.
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There is also Turkey who is playing hopscotch while the others are playing board games. What they are up to – and whether the Taliban will play along – is anybody’s guess. At one time they would have been responsible for Kabul airport (Taliban asked them to take over the technical bit of running an airport), but Erdogan seems to have got cold feet about “covering” the US withdrawal. Can’t blame him.
He also has designs on Uzbekistan.
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You are correct that they try to “merge” interior and exterior, (stay relevant) but I wonder how much influence remains inside Afghanistan nowadays?

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 27 2021 10:23 utc | 232

RE: Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 27 2021 8:05 utc | 220
“ The mere fact of turning into a governing power already will cause internal tensions.”
That is almost always the case and foreseen by some who develop strategies not necessarily based on “majoritism” but on “agency and facility” not restricted to the present.
“If they now even appear to become too mild, acceptable to the US or Russia or the other ethnicities people may abandon them.”
That is also generally the case and foreseen by some who develop standards of evaluation and strategic options and practices of whom are acceptable to consider and which interactions should be acceptable to consider with those deemed acceptable to consider .
As a commentator above wisely outlined, some of the Taliban held in respect are experienced and significantly connected “scholar warriors” within a certain culture who have paid regard to other cultures as have some of their connections, and hence do have the facility of flexibility, including in strategic matters, unlike their opponent.
It is not “highly likely” that after 40 years of war with intermissions, that the acceptance by “Us” is a prime consideration of the Taliban or others, but can be made to seem so as a function of the interpretations of others of a Manichean disposition.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 10:41 utc | 233

the problems with american foreign policy seem to resemble the problems with american policing. you have the brutal Derek Chauvin style of “policing the world”, the profiting off the “policed countries” by a counterpart of civil asset forfeiture, the qualified immunity of war criminals, both on the ground and in dc, and the vast amounts of money spent on weapons (in the case of the domestic police, hand me downs from the pentagon.
defund the pentagon.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 27 2021 10:42 utc | 234

>>>> circumspect | Aug 27 2021 2:15 utc | 166

…the Taliban just took possession of the largest lithium mine in the world…

As yet there is no mine and to create one, someone will need to provide serious security and even a Taliban government might find that difficult.

As for its $1 trillion value, the United States allegedly spent $2 trillion on Afghanistan and the Afghans got very little benefit mostly because it ended up in other peoples pockets (probably the greatest heist ever) what makes you think the lithium money won’t end in other pockets?

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 27 2021 10:42 utc | 235

The Americans are claiming that the Taliban have got their hands on $85 billion worth of equipment. Any guesses how much the Military/Industrial cartel will ask for to “compensate” for the loss?

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 27 2021 10:49 utc | 236

RE: Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 27 2021 10:42 utc | 235 T
“As for its $1 trillion value, the United States allegedly spent $2 trillion on Afghanistan and the Afghans got very little benefit mostly because it ended up in other peoples pockets (probably the greatest heist ever) he United States allegedly spent $2 trillion on Afghanistan “
That is the most significant purpose of “aid” practiced by the coercive social relation self-designated as “The United States of America” since at least the “Hoover programme” of “famine relief” in the “Soviet Union “ in 1922.
Hence Mr. Suslov’s observations that “The United States of America” had been at war with the “Soviet Union” since 1922, and that there had never been an alliance between the “United States of America” and the “Soviet Union”, merely a for profit arrangement known as lend-lease which did not significantly materialise until after March 1943 which the Soviet Union was still paying off.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 10:57 utc | 237

the lithium money would not be controlled by the US in the scenario where the Taliban develops the mine.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 27 2021 11:09 utc | 238

@MagdaTam 219

“What’s at stake in the collapse of Anglo-American Empire is the eventual rearrangement of geopolitical relations such that the US accepts being merely one great power amongst equals,…”

That is my quote.

This is the “reform” hypothesis, apparently to be attained by increasing mea culpas which others are unlikely to accept.

And the collapse here is the loss of the power to cause actual rather than imagined kinetic effects in the world. It is the loss of the Wille zur Macht, the power to form the world according to one’s will. No one cares about Mea Culpa Maxima Culpa, this is an amoral affair where all that matters is the loss of the power to cause so much mischief in the world. At that moment, it’s up to the aggrieved to act on their own power to cause mischief, or not, and such is the power of the restraint of vengeance. For revenge enacts revenge, and such is the Pashtunwali. We are at the crossroads again, and it would be nice to for once, see humanity take the intelligent way rather than the zero sum game.

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 11:12 utc | 239

The CIAMI6Mossad blew up 12 marines. To stop the withdrawal or at minimum introduce a new bullshit narrative to work from (Patroklos 120). The Pentagon just takes it. Like a good boy. Who is in charge?

Posted by: veto | Aug 27 2021 11:13 utc | 240

I think the U.S. has been at war with Russia (essentially tho it was the USSR at that time) since 1918 or 1919, part of an allied offensive against the Bolsheviks. interestingly, there were apparently a number of mutinies by allied troops in Russia, and the White Army the west supported had a number of defections (kinda like the puppet army of the “official” afghan government recently.)

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 27 2021 11:14 utc | 241

veto | Aug 27 2021 11:13 utc | 240
On the other hand, TWELVE MARINES also has all the signs of bullshit narrative. Will we get the identities of these soldiers? Maybe TWELVE COFFINS wrapped in American flags? (Or rainbow-colored ONES?)

Posted by: veto | Aug 27 2021 11:40 utc | 242

@Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 10:57 utc | 237
As the evacuation flights by states wishing to do it effectively end, and also we witness the end of any remaining courtesy amongst countries, especially those still existing between opposed ones, like free-passage at sea, but we also witness how any link which could keep any shadow of human solidarity alive in put an end even inside countries, do you think it could be terribly late for the midnigh express?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 27 2021 11:46 utc | 243

Seldom has any “terror attack” been so clearly pre-planned and warned about as in the US PR-preparations of the latest “suicide car bomber” explotion. Doesn’t that say it all?

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Aug 27 2021 11:53 utc | 244

The panic military evacuation is to evacuate Afghan citizens that allied with USA/NATO. I dont think foreigners had much of a fear under this new Taliban. We have that Beit guy with the dogs thats driving around Kabul like its Miami Beach. No problem. The poor Afghan locals that made terrible mistake to ally with USA, those guys are kaput. This is the main reason for military evacuation. No way in bloody hell will Taliban allow them to leave. Eventually all their throats will be slit from side to side. Of course that is 100% fault of ineptitude of NATO and their “intelligence” (should actually be called stupidity)
Now US media is talking about forming and Underground Railroad for these Afghans that will last years. Good luck with that.They all will be goat food in months. Hopefully this serves as example a sad example of what happens when you ally with US. Hi, Taiwan.

Posted by: Comandante | Aug 27 2021 12:07 utc | 245

Posted by: Comandante | Aug 27 2021 12:07 utc | 245
It can safely be assumed at this point that whatever the US commercial media say, it will not come to pass, so there is really no reason at all to listen to them, unless you are interested in what goes on in their little minds.
They spend most of their time spinning “narratives” these days, and have no real knowledge or understanding t0 share. But lots of “nudges” and informercials and such drivel.
The Chinese will not give the Taliban any of those good dollars they have to run things unless they set up and use a much more formal legal process than you are describing. You are probably right about the revenge attacks on those who participated in atrocities, but mere clerks and such may get a fresh start. They will be needed.
We gave up intelligence for electronic gossip collecting, dumb isn’t really adequate to describe it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 27 2021 12:58 utc | 246

Seldom has any “terror attack” been so clearly pre-planned and warned about as in the US PR-preparations of the latest “suicide car bomber” explotion. Doesn’t that say it all?
Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Aug 27 2021 11:53 utc | 244
It does seem “highly likely” they knew about it beforehand, yes. A number of us “experts” here predicted it. So predictable and predicted. A theory tested and confirmed. It’s like there is some sort of collusion going on. /sarc

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 27 2021 13:20 utc | 247

RE: Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 11:12 utc | 239
“No one cares about Mea Culpa Maxima Culpa, this is an amoral affair where all that matters is the loss of the power to cause so much mischief in the world.”
Research suggests that some of the opponents see some utility in wearing the cloak of “caring” and mantras of mea culpas for some of “the folks back home” as a tool in the Beltway “faction fights” in the short term, whilst other opponents prefer to rely on currently continuing the default position of revenge and vindictiveness, sometimes known as the “American way” which is currently vying for ascendence.
Many others with agency are not naïve enough to fall for mea culpas, but can perceive potential uses of appearing to do so, given the tendencies and facilities of those who live in halls of mirrors and believe/hope that exposure of their appendages frightens the enemy” – sometime known as shock and awe.
“That is my quote.
This is the “reform” hypothesis, apparently to be attained by increasing mea culpas which others are unlikely to accept.””
Ergo an illusion to encourage hope predicated on the unlikelihood that the coercive social relations self-designated as “The United States of America” are capable of reform in the hope of avoiding their transcendence.
“For revenge enacts revenge, and such is the Pashtunwali. “
Some Talebs are scholar warriors engaged in “change” and understand the limitations of the illusion “human nature”, that resort to an eye for an eye facilitates increased blindness, and resort to vendetta precludes many options – a lesson apparently that “The United States of America” has not yet learned both externally and internally.
“We are at the crossroads again, and it would be nice to for once, see humanity take the intelligent way rather than the zero sum game. “
Some are not waiting for Godot or any others to be nice, they are agents in interaction with facility, purpose and resolve, some of whom perceive that the trajectory of the “intelligent” way may lay initially in interaction within, what will be interpreted by some reliant upon and viewing through prisms of “game theory” as a zero sum game, whilst being a continuing process of transcendence facilitated with the complicity of those who believe in the existence of zero-sum games.
It is not necessarily a cross-road but it has utility if it appears to be so in encouraging bluff and contingent over-reach.
“where all that matters is the loss of the power to cause so much mischief in the world.”
That in itself is not sufficient but is the perceived purpose/strategy of some rendering them vulnerable to transcendence by some not so mesmerised, since war is not restricted to things that go bang, and/or immersion in the lose/win conflation, or those driven by emotions such as hate and schadenfreude.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 13:46 utc | 248

RE : Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 27 2021 10:42 utc | 234
“the problems with american foreign policy seem to resemble the problems with american policing. “
An astute observation.
“The United States of America” does not have a foreign policy but an “extended” domestic policy facilitated by some different and varying means, although the difference and variance is contracting.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 13:56 utc | 249

Ghost Ship @ 235
…what makes you think the lithium money won’t end in other pockets?
Not much, thats why I think they are going to be the future Saudis. Anything different there? There is one difference. The taliban know how to fire a gun.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 27 2021 13:56 utc | 250

@Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 7:46 utc | 219
“Hence the question: “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blow-back ?””
There is a term “Ontological Security”:
It has been argued that states seek to ensure their ontological security (the security of Self and self-conception), in addition to their pursuit of physical security (such as protecting the territorial integrity of the state). To ensure their ontological security, states may even jeopardize their physical security. Ontological security in world politics can be defined as the possession, on the level of the unconscious and practical consciousness, of answers to fundamental questions that all polities in some way need to address such as existence, finitude, relations with others and their auto-biography. Collective actors such as states become ontologically insecure when critical situations rupture their routines thus bringing fundamental questions to public discourse (from wikipedia).
The Anglo-Saxon superiority, of which the US is the “purest” settlement (and perhaps also Australia) given the nature of the settlers and the “clearing” of the continent, has considered itself the height of civilization since the nineteenth century at the least. Expand that to Western Europe and the belief goes back to the sixteenth century. With this belief exacerbated by the seeming ability to thoroughly dominate the whole world in the 1990s, any events that threaten this belief will create severe angst and aggression toward those deemed to be responsible for those events.
Can the West really accept at a fundamental level that they no longer “rule the world” and that their civilizational model may not be the most perfected? For the elites, the resulting delegitimization could be terminal, with the only way out being to blame the Other (China, Russia, Iran) and possibly the weak (Europe, New Zealand?) for their treachery and lies. I cannot see the western elites, most especially the FUKUS ones, accepting the new reality without much dysfunctional behaviour and lashing out. Their core beliefs that give their lives meaning, together with their core economic and social interests, are existentially threatened.
This time may not be that far away, as China catches up and overtakes Western technology and slowly but surely removes the West to the European archipelago, Australia and Japan (the latter in an accelerating demographic retreat). The UK was bankrupted by two world wars and was succeeded by its Anglo-Saxon progeny – the latest incarnation of the expansion of the West (Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands, France, UK). The rise of the East brings up issues of racism and also a repudiation of the official histories and belief systems of many of the Western nations. No wonder they are thrashing around, it will only get worse as the West “loses” more and more of the world.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 27 2021 14:04 utc | 251

Ahh, forgot the slash to stop the bolding! My apologies, bolding was supposed to finish at “public discourse”.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 27 2021 14:06 utc | 252

RE: Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 27 2021 11:46 utc | 243
“As the evacuation flights by states wishing to do it effectively end “
Some “we the people hold these truths to be self-evident” so they tend not to look further since “We the people hold these truths to be self-evident encouarges why bother since we know the truth ?”
Or if you prefer scientific references “Phenonema do not need to be perceived to exist” and “Today is not yet the 1st of September 2021 or after 1st of September 2021 on this planet.”
“ but we also witness how any link which could keep any shadow of human solidarity alive in put an end even inside countries “
You are mistaken as a function of the 1st scientific reference.
I could use the 2nd scientific reference in alibi of not answering your question of “do you think it could be terribly late for the midnigh express? “ possibly framed in expectation that agency is restricted to thinking, a tendency encouraged by opponents whilst limiting experience of some in ways of thinking, and simultaneously remind you that it is not yet 1st September 2021 on this planet in possible catalysing your thinking.
Unlike the opponents who seek to pre-masticate all of the diet, we don’t spoon feed, although some believe they perceive inedible salads in broadcast.
Enjoy your journey.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 14:22 utc | 253

CIA admits killing of 13 marines was their false flag operation to keep USA in Afghanistan:
‘We’ll have to go back to Afghanistan’ to get ISIS & Al-Qaeda, Obama’s security chief Panetta says after US deaths in Kabul
It’s now official.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2021 14:47 utc | 254

@ Posted by: circumspect | Aug 27 2021 13:56 utc | 250
The USA could barely put some military bases in Afghanistan (all of which had to be supplied by air). The prospect that it could set up a deal with a whole mining infrastructure under the auspices of American capitalists any time soon is beyond fiction.
Saudi Arabia is a completely different case. It is the oldest American ally in the ME (1937). It can be easily accessed by sea. It is much more developed than Afghanistan, which essentially is a pre-capitalist pastoral economy.
What you could say is that the USA wants to block all those minerals from being extracted by China and Russia through perpetual chaos. But USD 1 trn (the figure that is being touted in the media) in mineral resources is not that much: it’s not like you’re going to descend to Afghanistan with some cheap mining equipment, extract USD 1 trn in minerals and go to the Fed get the money. Those estimations merely denote the size and longevity of the reserves; they don’t mean Afghanistan now has USD 1 trn more in GDP.
The geostrategic explanation is the best. The USA wants to keep a firm hold in the affairs of Eurasia, and, to achieve that, it needs a firm hold in the Heartland. By exclusion (since it can’t control Iran, China and Russia; and India is still somewhat of a wild card that only sometimes is fully obedient), that foothold can only be Afghanistan.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2021 14:57 utc | 255

RE: Posted by: Roger | Aug 27 2021 14:04 utc | 251
“There is a term “Ontological Security”:
There are at least 2 other terms – context and requirement.
The context of “the question: “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blow-back ?”” was 1969 until today, not restricted to a question, which was tangentally informed, but not catalysed by, Mr. Amalrik’s tome “Can the Soviet Union last until 1984?”, and hypotheses tested in Hungary in 1956 and Czecholslovakia and Poland in 1968 and continuing research until today.
You seem immersed in what you perceive as a requirement namely
“Can the West really accept at a fundamental level that they no longer “rule the world” and that their civilizational model may not be the most perfected?  “
Their acceptance is not a requirement if the purpose is transcendence hence the question “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blow-back” where non-acceptance is a facilitator and vector of transcendence with the complicity of the man/men whose efforts facilitated placing them at risk of drowning.
“ I cannot see the western elites, most especially the FUKUS ones, accepting the new reality without much dysfunctional behaviour “
Dysfunctional behaviour is very useful akin to a fish in a net, the more wriggling, the more entanglement, the more restriction.
“No wonder they are thrashing around” ……. in wonderment and fantasy.
“it will only get worse as the West “loses” more and more of the world.”
Completely avoiding blowback like yesterday in Kabul or the bombings in Russia in September 1999 is not an option, hence “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback ?”
If some are afraid of blow-back that is also useful in facilitating “…the minimum of blow-back” and “to drown a drowning man” whilst avoiding resort to the “carpet bombing techniques” of the opponents’ drone warfare strategies restricted by the dearth and quality of “local assets”.
As to your other comments I will make no response, since the continued ignorance of the opponent has utility not limited to “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blow-back ?” and not restricted to its reproduction in tomes by Mr. McChrystal (as in Chrysalis) and Mr. Petraeus.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 15:02 utc | 256

Thank you for that post and reference. And as you say “The Turkish state is as malign and dangerous as its U.S. counterpart”. That is for sure, the masters of war and darkness IMO. There is not one democratic bone in the entire Erdogan body.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 9:48 utc | 230
In short, in intentions, Turkey under Erdogan matches USA, but the danger diminishes with distance. So if you live in a mountain valley in Iraq, yea, Turkey is the bigger threat. I you live in Malaysia, Turkey is no problemo.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 27 2021 15:20 utc | 257

“Small counterexample, if it’s as good as any: Where would programming languages like C, Java and Python and operating systems like Linux fall under, with their use of English? How proficient in English would one need to be to use those languages/systems, assuming they would still be used?”
Lacking integration into the language (IDE – integrated development environment) itself?
Code is a text document. It is common to have a precompile step. (compilation produces the actual app.) It is the basis for my own technology.
So you write in one language and the output is the system language or common language. You want this reversible so that you import code.
It’s crude and not my preferred solution but works.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 27 2021 15:33 utc | 258

Sorry. Responding to Posted by: joey_n @ 228

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 27 2021 15:34 utc | 259

Peter AU1 @ 227, it’s probably good we don’t hear Northern Alliance talk, since those areas were where the Taliban first focused recent attention – and one would hope that further dialogue there will be fruitful. But this morning I was thinking it is no wonder matters at the airport are so difficult to resolve. After all, it was bad enough in Saigon, but fewer years of interaction with the Vietnamese for the US being embedded there. Although at the time it seemed unending with the greater numbers of casualties on both sides.
This time around, after twenty years! It has made leaving a much harder proposition as all the community interactions contribute. (Notwithstanding we should not have been there in the first place.) So maybe something similar looms for the US in Iraq. The two invasions are of a piece in this, that extraction is going to be similarly agonizing, unless a better path to the final outcome can be devised and implemented.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 27 2021 15:41 utc | 260

@254 I read through that article a couple of times but I must have missed the part where the CIA admitted killing 13 marines. I thought Panetta’s statement was pretty vague.

Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 15:55 utc | 261

Joey
“One complaint I have always had with English is how inconsistent the spelling is with the pronunciation, even in native words….”
Oh no doubt man. Now imagine teaching english as a second language (ESL).
You start by explaining it won’t make a lot sense.
Folks the biggest issue is idiom. I get tied in knots just thinking about it. 😉
I have my own focus. Were it translation I would organize a crowd sourced open source translation project to address idiom across languages.
There are limits to NN in translation and social media moderation. You could say you need a human layer. However in the parlance you would be labeling expressions and contextual terms. Here I mean an interactive tool/interface.
Anyway with a few exceptions I have been disappointed. I appreciate the challenges but where is the innovation?
Hey Russia, get me there and I’ll help you do it. Let’s negotiate.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 27 2021 15:57 utc | 262

right on juliania…. i was with you on that…

Posted by: james | Aug 27 2021 16:29 utc | 263

Paco @226–
Thanks for your sincere reminder regarding the answer to the question, What is to be done. Unfortunately as I wrote on the prison thread, those living within the Outlaw US Empire are becoming very uncomfortably akin to the Plebs in 1984 as the Establishment Narrative has all too many within its clenches. Currently, a great number of businesses lack employees yet we have many homeless camps in most major cities whose members could staff those businesses–and the Feds say unemployment is under 6%!! while Shadowstats shows it’s still over 25%–given the reality I see and experience, I’ll go with Shadowstats. And I could add oh so much more.
/////
Thanks to all the barflies participating in this thread, which despite its topic has provoked an excellent discourse.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 27 2021 16:48 utc | 264

A dozen plus U.S. service members were killed in Afghanistan. President Biden: “To those who carried out this attack, as well as any who wishes America harm, know this: we will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay.”
The attacks killed 13 American service members and wounded 18 others. How many people have these “service members” killed? About 241,000 people have been killed mostly by U.S. service members in the Afghanistan and Pakistan war zone since 2001. More than 71,000 of those killed have been civilians. We don’t know the exact number of people killed in “airstrikes” really aerial bombing. How many relatives and friends of these dead people will not forget? . . .and will hunt their killers down and make them pay? U.S. initiated violence only begets more violence, and crocodile tears won’t ever cover up that simple fact.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 16:52 utc | 265

@ Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 15:55 utc | 261
The part where he stated the USA would eventually have to return to Afghanistan precisely because of this 11th hour terrorist attack.
It is CIA’s typical modus operandi to speak through retired members’ statements to the press.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2021 17:05 utc | 266

@249 MagdaTam
“The United States of America” does not have a foreign policy but an “extended” domestic policy facilitated by some different and varying means, although the difference and variance is contracting”
This is well said. People in the US are propagandized to worship the idea of the “American Dream” and become blind to actual policy.

Posted by: Rutherford82 | Aug 27 2021 17:09 utc | 267

Escobar writes about yesterday’s events, “Who profits from the Kabul suicide bombing?”
He provides a very detailed report as to who runs and is enrolled in ISIS-K. Here, Pepe brings up a crucial point I made on his VK blog about the Taliban needing assistance from its more sophisticated neighbors:
“The suicide bomber who carried out ‘the martyrdom operation near Kabul airport’ was identified as one Abdul Rahman al-Logari. That would suggest he’s an Afghan, from nearby Logar province. And that would also suggest that the bombing may have been organized by an ISIS-Khorasan sleeper cell. Sophisticated electronic analysis of their communications would be able to prove it – tools that the Taliban don’t have.” [My Emphasis]
Here’s more:
“ISIS-Khorasan comprises a bunch of fanatics, termed takfiris because they define fellow Muslims – in this case the Taliban – as ‘apostates.’
“Founded in 2015 by emigré jihadis dispatched to southwest Pakistan, ISIS-K is a dodgy beast. Its current head is one Shahab al-Mujahir, who was a mid-level commander of the Haqqani network headquartered in North Waziristan in the Pakistani tribal areas, itself a collection of disparate mujahideen and would-be jihadis under the family umbrella.
“Washington branded the Haqqani network as a terrorist organization way back in 2010, and treats several members as global terrorists, including Sirajuddin Haqqani, the head of the family after the death of the founder Jalaluddin.
“Up to now, Sirajuddin was the Taliban deputy leader for the eastern provinces – on the same level with Mullah Baradar, the head of the political office in Doha, who was actually released from Guantanamo in 2014.
“Crucially, Sirajuddin’s uncle, Khalil Haqqani, formerly in charge of the network’s foreign financing, is now in charge of Kabul security and working as a diplomat 24/7….
“NATO intel picked up by a UN report attributes a maximum of 2,200 jihadis to ISIS-K, split into small cells. Significantly, the absolute majority are non-Afghans: Iraqis, Saudis, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Uzbeks, Chechens and Uighurs.
“The real danger is that ISIS-K works as a sort of magnet for all manners of disgruntled former Taliban or discombobulated regional warlords with nowhere to go.”
And yes, Pepe tells us about the Daesh “ratline”:
“Zabihullah Mujahid – the new Taliban minister of information in Kabul, who in that capacity talks to global media every day – is the one who actually warned NATO members about an imminent ISIS-K suicide bombing. Brussels diplomats confirmed it.
“In parallel, it’s no secret among intel circles in Eurasia that ISIS-K has become disproportionally more powerful since 2020 because of a transportation ratline from Idlib, in Syria, to eastern Afghanistan, informally known in spook talk as Daesh Airlines.
Moscow and Tehran, even at very high diplomatic levels, have squarely blamed the US-UK axis as the key facilitators. Even the BBC reported in late 2017 on hundreds of ISIS jihadis given safe passage out of Raqqa, and out of Syria, right in front of the Americans.” [My Emphasis]
So yes, CIA “stay behinds” if you will killed Imperial troopers and 100+ Afghans. As I wrote, there’s no worry given to how bloody the means are as long as they provide for the desired ends. A brief interlude and Pepe continues about the new Daesh:
“The origin of ISIS is incandescent material. ISIS was spawned in Iraq prison camps, its core made of Iraqis, their military skills derived from ex-officers in Saddam’s army, a wild bunch fired way back in 2003 by Paul Bremmer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority.
“ISIS-K duly carries the work of ISIS from Southwest Asia to the crossroads of Central and South Asia in Afghanistan. There’s no credible evidence that ISIS-K has ties with Pakistani military intel.
“On the contrary: ISIS-K is loosely aligned with the Tehreek-e-Taliban (TTP), also known as the Pakistani Taliban, Islamabad’s mortal enemy. TTP’s agenda has nothing to do with the moderate Mullah Baradar-led Afghan Taliban who participated in the Doha process.”
Pepe concludes with the SCO’s potential actions given the fact that its formation preceded 911 and the Outlaw US Empire’s War OF Terror with its major goal to be the elimination of “terrorism, separatism and extremism;” and provides the reason why I continue to insist that Russia will get involved in aiding the Taliban:
“The record shows Moscow has all that it takes to help the Islamic Emirate against ISIS-K in Afghanistan. After all, the Russians flushed ISIS out of all significant parts of Syria and confined them to the Idlib cauldron.
“In the end, no one aside from ISIS wants a terrorized Afghanistan, just as no one wants a civil war in Afghanistan. So the order of business indicates not only an SCO-led frontal fight against existing ISIS-K terror cells in Afghanistan but also an integrated campaign to drain any potential social base for the takfiris in Central and South Asia.”
So again, we have what appears to be a complicated situation but once distilled is yet another battle to eliminate a major unit of the Outlaw US Empire’s Terrorist Foreign Legion, which means that all the noise emanating from Washington DC is just that and misdirection all aimed at the domestic audience.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 27 2021 17:18 utc | 268

@266 Obviously Panetta thinks the US will have to return to Afghanistan. I still don’t see where the CIA admits killing US troops. Maybe you think saying something over the top adds emphasis to your comment.

Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 17:23 utc | 269

I don’t know who posted it,but these guys are great! The Babylon Bee
“Taliban Opens Chain Of U.S. Army Surplus Stores”
“We need weapons to kill and subjugate the Afghan people under Sharia Law, but there’s just too much gear here!” said local Taliban leader Bob Muhammed. “There’s, like, billions of dollars and 20 years worth of weaponry around here, and now I can build a thriving business out of selling my wares to other terrorist folk who happen to pass through! Allah be praised!”
https://babylonbee.com/news/taliban-opens-chain-of-us-army-surplus-stores
Comedy speaks its own truth.
Question: Do you use PBUH in reference to Allah or just prophets?

Posted by: David G Horsman, | Aug 27 2021 18:11 utc | 270

“ISIS-Khorasan comprises a bunch of fanatics”. . . and so does the US Marine Corps.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 18:16 utc | 271

Russia, China and Iran don’t really have a choice about helping the Afghan people.
It’s not about gangsterism but a simple question of how do avoid starving during the next two years.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 27 2021 18:18 utc | 272

Global Times has a piece on the bombing.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232641.shtml
“We noticed that for the past 20 years, some terrorist organizations have gathered and developed in Afghanistan, posing a severe threat to international and regional security, especially the ETIM, Zhao said, noting that the ETIM has been listed as a terrorist organization by the Security Council of the United Nations and has posed a direct threat to China’s national security and the Chinese people’s safety.
The Chinese spokesperson said that the Afghan Taliban had clarified to China that it will not allow any forces to harm China through incursions made via Afghanistan, and China urged it to fulfill promises to break off with all terrorist organizations.”
A BBC propaganda piece gives the numbers
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58342790
” Many of Afghanistan’s Uyghurs – thought to number about 2,000 – are second generation immigrants whose parents fled China many decades ago, long before the current crackdown began. But their Afghan ID cards still say “Uyghur” or “Chinese refugee”, and they fear that if China enters the vacuum left by the US, they could be targeted.
“That is the biggest fear for Uyghurs in Afghanistan now,” said a Uyghur man in his fifties in Kabul, who said his family had not left their house since the Taliban took power. “We fear the Taliban will help China control our movements, or they will arrest us and hand us over to China,” he said.”
A big part of Taliban’s deal with not only US but also Russia and China is that it will not allow terrorist groups in Afghanistan. US is now the only winner from terrorist events in Afghanistan. Bombings like this put a wedge between Taliban Afghanistan and Russia/China and allow the US to continue its war of terror. US once they are out will accuse the Taliban of breaking the deal and harbouring terrorists.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 18:45 utc | 273

Charlotte Bellis
@CharlotteBellis
I’d like to know more about these helicopter extractions.. for context I’m a blonde western female (who most assume is American) and I walk the streets, talk to Taliban and drive freely around Kabul every day. Who are these people that need special forces protection?
https://twitter.com/CharlotteBellis/status/1430554698495442945

Posted by: Keith McClary | Aug 27 2021 18:46 utc | 274

vk @254
CIA admits killing of 13 marines was their false flag operation to keep USA in Afghanistan:
‘We’ll have to go back to Afghanistan’ to get ISIS & Al-Qaeda, Obama’s security chief Panetta says after US deaths in Kabul

Panetta is really a piece of work. Straight out of the NEOCON wing of the Deomcrat party. His congressionsal district was right in the middle of the defence intelligence community in California. An oxymoron of epic proportions.
We will never be rid of these fuckers.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 27 2021 18:49 utc | 275

Nation Stunned That 20-Year Catastrophe Could End So Catastrophically

WASHINGTON—Expressing disbelief after an attack on evacuees at the Kabul airport killed Afghan civilians and U.S. troops fleeing a war zone, the nation was reportedly stunned Friday that a 20-year catastrophe could end so catastrophically. “You could never imagine in a million years that a barbaric disaster could result in a barbaric disaster like this,” said Euclid, OH resident Peter Olean, echoing tens of millions of Americans who were baffled that a pointlessly violent quagmire from start to finish wasn’t going out on a high note. . .The Onion

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 18:50 utc | 276

Job One for Panetta as SecDef was to fly around to military bases and speechify that these uniforms were avenging 9/11 and keeping us free (same thing we’re hearing now).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 18:54 utc | 277

heh, looks like the Onion has the right take.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 27 2021 18:59 utc | 278

The CIA won’t admit to killing US troops, though they don’t have a problem with the killing part. Though they are psychopaths (with generalized anxiety disorder and impostor syndrome!), they are moderately intelligent ones who know to not admit to killing American troops; nevertheless, they want credit for what they see as their successes. There is no shortage of oversized egos in the CIA and they like bragging about their evil deeds. In this case, keeping the US in Afghanistan in some capacity is what they are gloating over.
The CIA never feels remorse for murder they commit, even when their victims are American soldiers. They lie, they cheat, and they steal. They also torture, maim, and kill. The job attracts the Jeffrey Dahmer types who like that sort of thing. People who can experience empathy and who have healthy personal moral codes never sign on with the CIA out of choice.
The observations made by Grieved in the previous page of comments @152 are quite relevant. While the military knew they had to be out of Afghanistan ASAP, the American civilian presence thought they had many months to go. The CIA thought they had plenty of time left to feed their pet rabid dogs and get them in position to hound the Taliban. Given a few more months they would have had new ratlines established that would allow their goons and thugs to rampage for years to come. The pace of the Taliban’s advance caught them completely off guard and, in gaming terminology, left them stun-locked. Without question the CIA/State Department blame this situation on the military due to their rapid evacuation. Killing some military jar heads is the kind of payback that the CIA would come up with. This wouldn’t at all be the first time that the CIA and the Pentagram have come to blows.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 27 2021 18:59 utc | 279

@ Peter
Is there any hope for a Gough Whitlam #2 who would adopt policies best for Australia instead of blind support for the US?. . .That would certainly please China, as well as being good for Aussies. Then I’d say “good on ya.”
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 3:57 utc | 196

No hope whatsoever in the near term.
Why?
USUK Lapdog Oz follows “Israel” Lapdogs USUK.
Neo-Liberal Oz PM Sco Mo is a Christian Zionist.
The once union-based Australian Labor Party is almost as corrupt as the Liberal Party and almost as Good Friends of “Israel” as the Libs.
The only hope of a new Whitlam in Oz will come when Australians stop voting for Party Politicians, with dodgy backgrounds and affiliations, and start voting for independent local candidates. It’ll take at least 10 years for Oz citizens to become sufficiently savvy to learn to winkle out the frauds and imposters and achieve positive outcomes.
Imo.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 27 2021 19:03 utc | 280

@ Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 17:23 utc | 269
It’s one thing to say that the USA has to come back to Afghanistan eventually, somehow, in order to fight the general threat of terrorism.
It’s another thing to say that, because of the specific terrorist attack of August 26, 2021, the USA will have to go back to Afghanistan, ASAP.
When you learn CIA vocabulary (which is the doctrine of “plausible deniability”) and its modus operandi, you’ll automatically detect the hidden messages in those kind of public announcements.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2021 19:21 utc | 281

“People who have never lived in USA and around the world underestimate just how nasty and diabolic the Americans truly are.”
Well, I don’t think one needs either to have lived in the US or not lived there to underestimate just how nasty, indeed sadistically vindictive and callously cruel the rogue US regime, now captured by Zionist neoconservative jingoist psychopaths, truly is. To appreciate that reality quite fully all one needs to do is follow the various staggering unjust, patently illegal and unconstitutional, and intentionally excruciating, mistreatments that have been meted out like Chinese water by the US govt. and their UK juridical lackeys to the heroic, Julian Assange. I can guarantee you that no one who has watched each and every vengeful twist and turn of the evil knife that has been gratuitously inflicted upon that man will ever again voluntarily grant their “consent” to be ruled by such perfidious scoundrels as those who now monopolize state power in the US and UK.

Posted by: Billosky | Aug 27 2021 19:31 utc | 282

@281. You are not addressing the issue here. I’m not defending Panetta or the CIA. My problem is with your use of an inaccurate and misleading statement.
It’s the kind of trick tabloids use.

Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 19:33 utc | 283

According to the latest from Reuters, the Pentagon says the bombing was one suicide bomber. According to Tass 110 dead. That has to be a record. The sort of numbers a vehicle bomb in a market place achieves.
It that was the case it would have been a very high tech piece of equipment – made in the high tech caves of Afghanistan? or perhaps some high tech caves in US?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 19:33 utc | 284

the rogue US regime, now captured by Zionist neoconservative jingoist psychopaths

Now look what you’ve done, Billosky. You’ve got the Zionist neoliberal jingoist psychopaths all butthurt because you left them out. Who knows how many cases of generalized anxiety disorder and impostor syndrome you just triggered?

Posted by: corvo | Aug 27 2021 19:35 utc | 285

@ Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 19:33 utc | 283
It is not inaccurate. Leon Panetta publicly admitted, using CIA code language. It is written on the wall, in the article I linked.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2021 19:36 utc | 286

One of the more harsh fly-by commenters Louis Proyect died today. I leave it at this.

Posted by: v | Aug 27 2021 19:40 utc | 287

https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-says-kabul-attack-carried-out-by-one-suicide-bomber-2021-08-27/
I don’t usually look at any videos on MSM news but ended up watching the pentagon spokesman. One bomber plus one or more shooters firing from a position unknown. With all the US high tech crap in the air, they don’t know much about what happened? Don’t know the exact position where the bomb detonated, and don’t know the position the gunfire was coming from…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 19:54 utc | 288


From Caitlin Johnstone and father…
Great song, great words

I made this song for my dear darling Dad as a present for this coming Father’s Day which is held on the first Sunday in September in Australia. The words are his. They come from an impassioned poem he wrote from the depths of his guts when he heard the news that the pointless tragedy that was the US mission in Afghanistan had finally stuttered to an ignominious end.
So this one is for all the boomer rebels who not only lit the spark, they maintain the rage to this day. I love you all. Thank you, sincerely, for your service.

Posted by: Rêveur | Aug 27 2021 19:58 utc | 289

Taliban – Haqqani Network – ISK-P Affiliations
The Haqqani Network is primarily based in North Waziristan, Pakistan, and conducts cross-border operations into eastern Afghanistan and Kabul. The group is primarily composed of members of the Zadran tribe. The Haqqanis are considered the most lethal and sophisticated insurgent group targeting US, Coalition, and Afghan forces in Afghanistan; they typically conduct coordinated small-arms assaults coupled with rocket attacks, IEDs, suicide attacks, and attacks using bomb-laden vehicles.
The Haqqani Network is responsible for some of the highest-profile attacks of the Afghan war, including the June 2011 assault on the Kabul Intercontinental Hotel, conducted jointly with the Afghan Taliban, and two major suicide bombings—in 2008 and 2009—against the Indian Embassy in Kabul.
The Islamic State (IS) claimed responsibility and posted the picture of Abdul Khayum aka Abu Khalid for having bombed the Gurdwara Sikh Tempel to avenge violence against Muslims in India.
Key words: Jalaluddin Haqqani – Younis Khalis – Mullah Akhtar Mohammed Mansur – killed in 2016 drone strike.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 27 2021 20:00 utc | 290

Sorry, here is the link to Caitlin Johnstone song
https://youtu.be/qv0d8_JCWpI

Posted by: Rêveur | Aug 27 2021 20:01 utc | 291

v @287
That means the CIA has an opening now. I’ve read most of Marx’ works, quite a bit of Lenin’s, and almost all of Trotsky’s. For the right price I could write woke, pro-establishment pablum disguised as leftist ideology. Perhaps I should offer my CV to Langley? That right price would be an order of magnitude more than my current income, but even with the loss of their poppy fields in Afghanistan the CIA is still awash in cash, so I am pretty sure they can afford it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 27 2021 20:07 utc | 292

@286 I don’t know CIA code language. Can you elaborate?
Here is the RT article again for anybody who wants to join in…
https://www.rt.com/usa/533225-panetta-predicts-return-afghanistan/

Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 20:15 utc | 293

The flying blue troll army that has been unleashed as soon as the bomb went off * that is accompanying the MSM stenographers grab for their western hearts and minds – it has nothing to do with people in Afghanistan – across many btl boards where comments are allowed, is as clear a sign of the bullshitthat we are supposed to believe.
* I wonder how many suicide bombers carrying prefabricated explosives actually detonated them selves. After all most people are not dumb enough. With plenty of technology around, there wouldn’t be any difficulty to send a signal to kill/die from a controller sitting in their Huston control centre, before driving home to their kids and MacD’s.
Anyway as the deadline or ‘redline’ is reached I expect that the fact that military a/c went dark on flight tracker means they are aware they will not be tolerated in Afghan airspace. Neither will attacks from outside the borders.
As I said previously I expect the shields will go up from over the horizon and not a single drug plane will fly in with cash and booze anfmd fly out again. As I expect the land borders will become non porous – overnight.
This means any launches of cruise missiles or by F35’s from outside of Afghanistan will be legitimate targets.
Peace is coming. Eventually prosperity too!

Posted by: DG | Aug 27 2021 20:24 utc | 294

@ Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 20:15 utc | 293
The CIA affirms it did something by denying it (plausible deniability doctrine).
In this specific case, ex-CIA (it is always like that) affirmed that the USA will have to go back to Afghanistan to fight terrorism there the day after of the suicide bombers attack (caused by said terrorists). Therefore, the CIA committed the terrorist attacks (through their assets; evidently, there’s no directly-employed CIA personnel organizing it) in order to keep the Pentagon in Afghanistan.
One important aspect of the CIA modus operandi is that it never makes these kind of political-strategic announcements directly, through its official channels. They always do that through private media (obscure or not), either through ex-employees and/or journalists who are actually their assets (e.g. that bizarre journalist who asked the WH spokesman about Tajikistan some weeks ago). There is no specific formula: those statements may come in the form of an interview, an article, an asset-journalist “asking questions” etc. It may also come in the form of a book.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2021 20:27 utc | 295

@295 That’s too convoluted for me but I’m sure you know what you’re talking about. I’m still waiting for the CIA to admit they killed 13 US troops in Kabul.
I’ve had enough of this. Probably others have too.

Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 21:00 utc | 296

Panic at Kabul airport?
The USUK airport panic was orchestrated to set things up for the projection of the acts ISIS terrorists imported from Syria as the acts of the de facto Afghanistan government, in order to delegitimize said Afghan government.
We don’t need no steenkin’ panic at the real evacuation.

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Aug 27 2021 21:04 utc | 297

Stonebird #232

There is also Turkey who is playing hopscotch while the others are playing board games. What they are up to – and whether the Taliban will play along – is anybody’s guess. At one time they would have been responsible for Kabul airport (Taliban asked them to take over the technical bit of running an airport), but Erdogan seems to have got cold feet about “covering” the US withdrawal. Can’t blame him.
He also has designs on Uzbekistan.

Turkey?? Australian Lady pointed to this site earlier in the thread: https://nordicmonitor.com/
Turkey is up to its neck in devious.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 21:30 utc | 298

RE: Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 27 2021 11:14 utc | 241
“I think the U.S. has been at war with Russia (essentially tho it was the USSR at that time) since 1918 or 1919 “
Unlike Mr. Suslov you apparently do not understand the use of dissonance in Russian culture.
Mr. Suslov used the examples of “famine relief” and “lend-lease” to the audience to remind them that war is not restricted to things that go bang, but also includes “aid”, with connotations of the destruction of Troy and beware of Greeks bearing “gifts”, to encourage explorations of dissonance not conformance.
Some other social relations emphasise conformance and dissuade dissonance hence ““I think the U.S. has been at war with Russia (essentially tho it was the USSR at that time) since 1918 or 1919 ……. “

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 27 2021 21:40 utc | 299

VK wrote:
In this specific case, ex-CIA (it is always like that) affirmed that the USA will have to go back to Afghanistan to fight terrorism there the day after of the suicide bombers attack (caused by said terrorists). Therefore, the CIA committed the terrorist attacks
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You have to believe the CIA is really stupid to believe that nonsense.
If the CIA was going to create a false flag operation to get the US to stay in Afghanistan they would not wait till the last minute after they have burned all their bridges behind them and removed 100K of US allies from the country.
Are you suggesting they are going to start the war all over from scratch?
The only way the US is going to be involved in fighting IS-K in Afghanistan (outside of Kabul airport) is if the Taliban invites the US to help. That scenario is not outside the realm of possibility. But if that does happen it certainly is not because the CIA was behind the bombing.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 27 2021 21:57 utc | 300