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August 26, 2021
Further U.S. Hostility Against The Taliban Is Not In Its Best Interest

The chaotic evacuation of international 'assets' and economic migrants from Kabul airport just got more complicate.

An hour ago a suicide bomber blew himself up amidst a crowd which was waiting to get access to the airport. Additionally gunfire was heard. At least 13 people got killed. There are pictures and video of dozens of killed and wounded Afghans.

Hours ago the U.S. and UK had warned of an imminent ISIS attack on the airport and had asked their citizens to stay away from the airport.

The evacuation flights for civilians were supposed to end today. That was to leave time for the several thousand military on the ground to wrap up their mission before the August 31 end date. The Taliban have insisted on that final date.

Whoever has sent in the suicide bomber wanted to interrupt that process. Your guess who that was is as good as mine.

The whole evacuation panic was and is, in my view, totally unnecessary.

The Taliban have no interest in taking hostages or in taking systematic revenge on Afghan personnel that had worked with foreign governments. They publicly issued a complete amnesty. They also need money, international recognition and support.

The U.S. has blocked the Afghan central bank accounts with the Fed and ordered the IMF and the World Bank to not provide money to Afghanistan. That is huge leverage.

The U.S. could have used that leverage in a positive sense to organize, if necessary at all, a very smooth and orderly evacuation of people by normal civil flights over several weeks or months. But for some reason the Pentagon friendly media in Washington created an artificial panic and set off a monstrous military emergency show.

The U.S. should by the way lift its block on that Afghan money. It is in its best interest to have good relations with the Taliban. The German chancellor Merkel recognized that. She announced that Germany will continue to support Afghanistan even under Taliban rule. It is the right thing to do because Afghanistan is still a dirt poor country, because there are people in need and because it is in 'western' interest to keep Afghanistan peaceful and united. An unruly Afghanistan under financial pressure is way more likely to create trouble abroad – be it as shelter for global militants or as a source of huge refugee streams.

Withholding money does not create long term leverage. Leverage is to use money to reward good behavior. The Taliban have so far behaved very well. They protected the airport from again being overrun. All of Kabul except for the airport is living a normal life. People are back at work, the banks have reopened.

President Joe Biden has taken on political risk by ordering the complete retreat from Afghanistan. Should he consider further hostility against the country, by financial means or by igniting a new civil war as some Republican demands, he will not gain the political profit from it.

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These are the first deaths of US service members since Feb. 2020 when Trump signed the agreement to leave Afghanistan.
Will there be ANY accountability for the botched pull-out? How can Biden survive this politically? The Democratic President is now a lame-duck? 2022 mid-terms and 2024 Presidency now the Republicans to lose? Who is there on the Democratic side that could successfully run against Trump in 2024? Does Biden resign so with the hope that his replacement has a fighting chance to win in 2024?
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 21:00 utc | 101

I wonder if the dead US troops were- ?
a) vaccinated
b) test positve for cvd via PCR
c) died from covid or an ISI/CIA/Al Queda bomb attack on their certificates
Now the same Politicians(scum), Military(sturmbanfuhers) and Media (propagandists) who sent them to War for Profit and Pleasure are offering their ‘sincere condolences’…
Mission Accomplished

Posted by: CitizenX | Aug 26 2021 21:01 utc | 102

Well Jackrabbit, if we in the U.S. now expect to simultaneously have combat missions all over the planet and ZERO combat deaths then we are officially 10yr olds.
Yes, hunkering down in a fortified based during a ceasefire is much more safe than trying to do something useful like remove 100K civilians. The latter is an actual combat mission.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 26 2021 21:05 utc | 103

@100 I just had a devious thought. If the Taliban really wanted to stir the pot they would catch some luckless ISIS guys and get them to confess to working for MI6

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 21:11 utc | 104

For a bit of background, for those whom, like me, have just started with the Afghanistan topic, an interesting thread by @Natsecjeff two years old on the war between Taliban and ISKP ( ISIS Khorasan ), he was advancing very bad blood on the part of ISKP…
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1428353740055080975

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 26 2021 21:15 utc | 105

dh 100
Brit’s wouldn’t be taking a big chance if the job was in partnership with US factions. This is what the five-eyes intelligence alliance is about.
Also the reason voting within five-eyes is a waste of time as with this alliance hits on ones own country can be outsourced to another ally. Makes a publicly acceptable cutout. Ordering a hit on your own is called treason or treachery. Old terms but still apply I think. Hence the need to outsource.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 21:18 utc | 106

Phil Giraldi thinks like many barflies “Here Come the Terrorists. Again“:
“The search for new enemies will continue no matter who is president or which party dominates congress.”
In a month, we’ll get to read/hear what national leaders think about that during this year’s UNGA Debate, which will be preceded by the CSTO and SCO Summits at Dushanbe by about a week.
Many barflies believe this act is part of the last actions of a dying empire as its self-presumed importance is shoved back in its face. The sooner the global stage is freed from the Outlaw US Empire’s pestilence, immorality and corruption the better. I see zero justification for any presence outside its borders or membership in any international organization.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2021 21:21 utc | 107

@Natsecjeff has also the statements by ISKP vindicating the first attack ( it seems that only that onem the one of the sucide bomber ) even traslated into English through their media Amat Agency!!!!…
I do not know whether that can be posted here…
Could you imagine that ISKP could have a media agency? Who fund these guys?
Is this not way too much Western?

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 26 2021 21:24 utc | 108

This is far more powerful than any elected politicians within five-eyes.
From wikipedia …
“In the late 1990s, the existence of ECHELON was disclosed to the public, triggering a major debate in the European Parliament and, to a lesser extent, the United States Congress. The FVEY further expanded their surveillance capabilities during the course of the “war on terror”, with much emphasis placed on monitoring the World Wide Web. The former NSA contractor Edward Snowden described the Five Eyes as a “supra-national intelligence organisation that does not answer to the known laws of its own countries”.[10] Documents leaked by Snowden in 2013 revealed that the FVEY has been spying on one another’s citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on surveillance of citizens.[11][12][13][14]”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 21:25 utc | 109

Who’s responsible for today’s carnage
On second thought, I will put the blame on the Biden and some high level guy in the Pentagon because mass evacuations are so complex that it was criminal to put this off to the last minute. Evacuating civilians when the govt had nominal control of the provinces much earlier was the right thing to do. Military professionals should have been screaming at Biden and telling him that pulling off a last minute evacuation is more complicated than Desert Storm where we had months to set it up.
1. You can have runway accidents, crowd stampedes.
2. You can have terrorists blending into the crowds, and this is what happened.
3. The Taliban could attack if they wanted to, and this is the only thing that has not happened but is not in our countrol.
So avoiding an evacuation just because you don’t want to ‘undermine the Afghan govt’ was short sighted for the President but criminal for a General not to warn of the danger of a last minute evacuation.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 26 2021 21:25 utc | 110

As I stated a couple days ago CIA stay-behind units will start blowing people up, and right on cue…

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 26 2021 21:25 utc | 111

Christian J. Chuba | Aug 26 2021 21:05 utc | 103:

…if we in the U.S. now expect to simultaneously have combat missions all over the planet and ZERO combat deaths then we are officially 10yr olds.

Biden told us all contingencies were planned for. He has publicly taken responsibility (before today) for the withdrawal effort. He was essentially forced to take that responsibility in light of the warnings from militiary and Republicans/Republican-friendly media.
I can’t see how he/Democrats can expect that this will not be used against them politically.
Jan 6. prosecutions, a new wave of Covid, and now now this. They are virtually ensuring a Trump Presidency in 2024.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 21:28 utc | 112

There were 4 presidents under the Afghanistan occupation.
Junior got us into it.
At least Biden has the balls to get us out.
While not a fan, it is the right direction.
Junior was truly a mindless idiot.
Withdrawals on failure are never pretty.
https://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/04/30/54fb67cf-832f-4cd3-9051-2e4299be5f22/thumbnail/620×444/0ebda20b375faf292da5426210d0b39f/stilshotjaredblakestillcropped.jpg

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Aug 26 2021 21:35 utc | 113

I posted a comment in the open thread but I’ll repost here. According to an email I received today from Chinmaya Mission Vancouver, a conference is to be held by US universities Sept. 10-12, 2021. “Dismantling Global Hindutva”. Portrays Hindus as dangerous extremists.
https://cohna.org/dismantlehinduphobia/
https://mobile.twitter.com/hinduoncampus/status/1428575250216898563?s=09
https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/1428744371042615303?s=19

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 26 2021 21:36 utc | 114

The US is simply assuring the defense contractors that even though we are pulling out of Afghanistan there are still trillions to be made and they should not give up hope.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2021 21:36 utc | 115

@106 So we’ve moved from a botched withdrawal to a cunningly orchestrated ‘terrorist incident’ designed to kill US troops. It’s all becoming clear.

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 21:38 utc | 116

@84 “I have no idea who or what caused the explosions. I expect you noticed how the rush to blame the CIA slowed down a bit after the US casualties were announced. If it was the CIA they are either getting a little sloppy or US troops are now fair game.”
There is a number of possibilties
1) A western government agency to prolong the stay in Afghanistan by either a) enticing another war effort or b) slowing down and interrupting the process.
2) ISIS-K because they’re ISIS and large crowds with easy targets is their thing.
3) Taliban – because they dont want afghans to leave and they want to strike at America’s image just before they leave.
4) Pakistan – To sow dischord in Afghanistan.
These are the 4 culprits being thrown around, reflecting the bias towards whoever people blame the regions problems on.
The least likely to me is (1) because Western governments have already come out saying they will not stop the evacuation process. In fact it was entirely predictable. Are they going to go door to door to fight with the Taliban inside Kabul? No, the U.S likely anticipated a terror attack (it was in the news for days) and so they already knew they would take a hit. But due to u.s incompetence, they got stuck. If U.S now says we are staying in Afghanistan, declares war on the Taliban, then (1) becomes likelier; however since the u.s general has just said the taliban helped stop some of the attacks, I don’t see that happening.
(4) is also unlikely because the Taliban are a creature of Pakistan and they would not want to disrupt their rule as they have wanted Taliban control of Afghanistan since the 90s.
(2) and (3) are the likely candidates. But the connection between taliban and ISIS-k is fuzzy and unclear for me to comment further.
@87
“Innocent until proven guilty? Too many times US has declared innocence until an event is mostly forgotten and then some records are declassified. Then there is the quite public stuff like Iraq WMD and little vials of powder at the UN. From records like operation northwood, that the joint chiefs of staff have the confidence to put a plan like that to the president is a good indication that killing a few of their own to incite war against a target country is not something that is frowned on. Best to Assume US is guilty until proven innocent.”
This is exactly the anti-west bias I am referring to. A lot of governments in the region have committed attrocities, including the Taliban themselves. According to your logic they are all guilty until innocent.

Posted by: Me2 | Aug 26 2021 21:39 utc | 117

Asha K. 108
Its worth taking a look at actual ISIS attacks against US west take place. Its always at a time when interest in the war on terror is flagging amongst the population and/or politicians.
The countries or groups most effective in fighting these proxies – Iran, Hezbollah, Russia ect and now the Taliban. All on the permanent US enemy list.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 21:40 utc | 118

@CC 93
That’s all true about the mujahedin. But the modern ISIS has its roots in the Middle East. In 2006 the US was behind a mosque bombing which instigated the religious aspects, Sunni vs. Shia, in Iraq. The US’s Operation Iraq Freedom had converted Iraq to Shia, under the only previous Shia country Iran. That had to be reversed so the US promoted the Sunni resistance it had created in Iraq, added in some ex-Iraqi army people (the army having been disbanded), formed a ‘caliphate,’ and then moved them into Iraq and later Syria from Turkey. The labels changed: The Caliphate, the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), the Islamic State, since 2014 they were the principal fount of instability in the Middle East and now the US is finding them useful everywhere. Who runs them? CIA motto: “We are the Nation’s first line of defense. We accomplish what others cannot accomplish and go where others cannot go.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2021 21:42 utc | 119

This is how the Sydney Morning Herald (centre-right MSM) is reporting it:
“ISIS-K considers the Taliban, noted for its brutality, to be insufficiently devout in its adherence to Islam. The two militant groups have engaged in attacks on each other.”
So a narrative is emerging that the Taliban are ‘moderates’ and ISIS-K is the Taliban’s evil twin. Reminds me of Syria destabilization narrative. The Brits and Pakistanis definitely know what’s going on and Biden has vowed revenge.
What a dog’s breakfast. I really feel for the Afghan people.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 26 2021 21:53 utc | 120

From Afghanistan the mujahedin started moving to Chechnya in the mid nineties, along with Saudi clerics. Converting people to wahabbism is always the first step in creating terrorists.
Putin has spoken a number of times to the US CIA connections to these terrorists in the leadup and during the second Chechen war. Being the head of the FSB during that leadup gave Putin a good insight into what was happening.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 21:58 utc | 121

Could responsibility rest with Mossad and Israel?

Iran is already returning weapons to the Taliban it recovers from ANA deserters fleeing across the border into Iran so idea that Iran already arming Taliban is out there. Isreal could build on that to suggest the Iranians supports Afghan terrorists even though Qasem Soleimani put a lot of effort into improving Iran-Afghan relations and could also suggest that this was Iran’s revenge for Qasem Soleimani’s death. To avoid further difficulty with the US, Iran should adopt Putin/Russia’s approach to revenge, understanding that the best revenge is defeating the US political objectives and this is far more important than killing a few insignificant Americans.

Iran was almost less surrounded by US forces than it was a week ago. If Israel wants an US invasion of Iran it needs the US military to remain engaged in Afghanistan.
Meanwhile, Iran and Afghanistan seem to want to improve relationship. Taliban allowing water down Helmand River after flow was stopped by previous Afghan govt under pressure from US and Iran will supply Afghanistan with with fuel although this is still to be confirmed.

As well as attacking the USS Liberty, Israel was also responsible for a wave of bombing including car bombs carried out by the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners, an Israeli front organisation operating in Lebanon, which shows Israel will conduct terrorist operations for itself.

Israel has the motive(pushing for US invasion of Iran), the means (Jundallah or MeK) and opportunity.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 26 2021 22:00 utc | 122

@ 117 me2… there is a lot of anti west bias and it’s totally and i mean totally justified.. i am not sure what planet you are living on, but probably holed up in some american place by the sounds of it.. you might want to hang at pat langs site where the rah, rah usa is the greatest crowd hang… that kind of stupidity doesn’t wash here..
as i said upstream – moving isis from idlib to afganistan was happening the past 1/2 year…. look to ksa – uae and israel as more likely culprits in this… anything to prolong more usa spending, looting and murdering… it is what they do…
meanwhile americans are supposed to freak out when americans are killed / murdered in faraway countries, but americans could give a rats ass if it is afgans, syrians and etc. etc. who are being murdered… that is what they learn from the media… be proud of the bullshit, but never question the bullshit..

Posted by: james | Aug 26 2021 22:14 utc | 123

@ 122 ghostship… thanks for those links and your perspective…. makes sense who you highlight..

Posted by: james | Aug 26 2021 22:17 utc | 124

Jackrabbit wrote:
Who is there on the Democratic side that could successfully run against Trump in 2024?
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Trump will run on this platform:
‘We should have stayed in Afghanistan and cleaned out all the terrorists before we left.’
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Jackrabbit wrote:
Jan 6. prosecutions, a new wave of Covid, and now now this. They are virtually ensuring a Trump Presidency in 2024.
Trump may be too old and doddering by then but if he is still fit enough the deep state will likely bring him back for a repeat match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S0NtpoF1PQ

Posted by: jinn | Aug 26 2021 22:19 utc | 125

dh wrote:
So we’ve moved from a botched withdrawal to a cunningly orchestrated ‘terrorist incident’ designed to kill US troops. It’s all becoming clear.
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LOL yup that’s how it seems…
Conspiracy theories have a very short shelf life nowadays.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 26 2021 22:38 utc | 126

@Posted by: vk | Aug 26 2021 20:58 utc | 98
Nothing new, “Remember the Maine” (so that the US could invade Cuba, Costa Rica, the Philippines), the Liberty (sacrificial lambs sent to be killed by the Israeli’s in failed attempt to escalate the Arab-Israeli Six Day war), US military on Oahu not being properly warned about the coming Japanese attack (the US had broken the Japanese codes), US African embassy bombings, Waco, Ruby Ridge, military munitions on the Lusitania etc.
The US elites don’t give a shit about killing a few US troops/citizens to create excuses for things they want to do

Posted by: Roger | Aug 26 2021 22:52 utc | 127

@126 I’m sure the Five Eyes have it all figured out.

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 22:55 utc | 128

jinn @Aug26 22:19 #125: Trump may be too old and doddering …
I see Trump as a figurehead anyway. The guy that that was selected to get in front of the Tea Party Parade. If it’s not Trump then it’ll be someone that Trump gives his blessing to.
The move to the right will be complete.
After being shown the horrors/sarc of BLM (“Defund the Police!”, Antifa, and transgen, we are treated to Democratic vengeance (prosecuting Jan 6. “insurgents”) and the incompetence of the Biden Administration.
We may be treated to a recession before 2024. We are due for one. And it too will be blamed on the incompetent Biden Administration.
The fix is in. Prepare for the new conservative America … and a deeper Cold War.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 23:00 utc | 129

Israel, as we saw from Syria has a good working relationship with ISIS. Not that I have been looking for it but nothing in the MSM about Israel’s take on the US pullout from Afghanistan were there has been much about Pentagon and other five-eyes suspects. Israel, being a British/US baby is very much a part of five-eyes…
Trump gained a lot of voters – a major threat to the establishment. Under Biden, many of the Trump policies are being carried on- but to the benefit of the establishment? Pentagon has been very public about wanting to find bases from which it can continue to bomb Afghanistan…. how often in the past have US troops been killed like this in the past so called fight against ISIS? From back at the time of forty thousand besieged on a mountain top that took the US and five-eyes back into Iraq..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 23:00 utc | 130

Peter AU1 @Aug26 23:00 #130:

Trump gained a lot of voters – a major threat to the establishment.

Trump is no threat to the establishment. Hyper-partisanship has been a boon the establishment – a way to blow-off steam and show the horrors of the thought-criminals on the Left.
The ‘establishment’ owns BOTH Parties but prefers Republicans and a country with ‘values’ that lean Right. And that’s what they’ll get.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 23:12 utc | 131

@130 Here you go Peter. It looks very exciting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zoEck8t1DM

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 23:18 utc | 132

@Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 26 2021 21:36 utc | 114
Conference on Global Hindutva
The attack on this conference smells a little like the claims that being anti-Israel = being anti-semitic. After reading the actual conference web site, this looks more like a critique of the Indian BJP party, a front for the fascist RSS (who are to Hinduism what Nazism is to Christianity and Zionism is to Judaism), and their attempts to spread their noxious extremist beliefs globally. It mentions the BJP extensively. From the conference web site:
“Hinduism Is Not Hindutva
Hindu supremacists have made a concerted effort over several decades to equate their manufactured term “Hindutva” with Hinduism. From the early twentieth century onwards, they have worked hard to shield themselves from legitimate critique for their extremism by claiming to speak for a persecuted Hindu community, despite Hindus being a sizable majority in India. Most recently, they have been leveraging the language of being a religious minority in the United States to evade criticism of their supremacist ideologies.
However, the distinction between “Hindutva” and Hinduism has been stark: Hindutva is a political philosophy styled after European fascism of the early twentieth century, an ideology that privileges a cult of personality and authoritarian leadership. By contrast, Hinduism is a term used to describe a wide range of religious practices and beliefs that are heterodox, and like the practices and beliefs of any major religion with hundreds of millions of followers, continuously under contestation, and often contradictory. Hinduism has rightly been critiqued for the deep inequities in Indian society, most importantly for the caste system. Many Hindu reformers have also offered these critiques.
Strange, because the head of the Chinmaya Mission is explicitly against the BJP and RSS. The RSS is explicitly anti-Muslim, and wants to make India into a Hindu state, and has explicitly condoned violence against Hindus. The BJP is the RSS. The whole attack on the conference looks very organized, seems to be copying the Zionist play book against anyone who speaks against Israel.”
Some good books on this (I researched some of this as part of my PhD dissertation):
Azadi-Arundhati-Roy
https://www.amazon.com/Azadi-Arundhati-Roy-ebook/dp/B085BW7DR6/ref=sr_1_21?crid=38FPG7GCJDNZZ&dchild=1&keywords=arundhati+roy&qid=1630019625&s=digital-text&sprefix=Arundhati%2Cdigital-text%2C164&sr=1-21
Messengers-Hindu-Nationalism-Reshaped-India
https://www.amazon.com/Messengers-Hindu-Nationalism-Reshaped-India-ebook/dp/B07SZ8WKN7/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Andersen+%26+Damle&qid=1630019481&s=books&sr=1-1
Majoritarian-State-Hindu-Nationalism-Changing
https://www.amazon.com/Majoritarian-State-Hindu-Nationalism-Changing-ebook-dp-B07TNRR547/dp/B07TNRR547/ref=mt_other?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1630019541
Looks like an interesting conference, I may attend

Posted by: Roger | Aug 26 2021 23:19 utc | 133

Roger and northerner
I read a couple of the English language Hindutva websites back around 2016. They believe they are the true aryans and they are destined to rule the world. That is now gone from the english language versions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 23:28 utc | 134

I’m not particularly interested in your dumb shit dh. It has been my opinion constantly that there are factions in the US and other countries that are determined to keep US involved in Afghanistan. This is based on what these factions have been saying publicly and that includes the pentagon and the brits.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 23:32 utc | 135

Excellent article by Arundhati Roy “The Rise of Modi and the Hindu far right”. Useful for anyone wanting to understand India’s move toward a religious fascism designed to facilitate rule by the Brahmins and the implementation of neoliberalism.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/arundhati-roy-assam-modi/

Posted by: Roger | Aug 26 2021 23:34 utc | 136

Hey Bernhard,
I see all the celebrities were offered money to go with the Covid narrative.
Alternative sites with a big readership and poor guys running it might quite kindly appreciate a large input of cash.
So you sold out.
You should have just left. Said you were ill. I will always be after you as a traitor.

Posted by: Lochearn | Aug 26 2021 23:35 utc | 137

@135 I don’t disagree. Obviously there are people who want to control everything. They have amazing facilities. But I’m not particularly in awe of them. I think they make it up as they go along.

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 23:42 utc | 138

This from Global times is the numbers being reported elsewhere
“At least 60 Afghans were killed and 143 others injured after an explosion and ensuing gunfight rocked outside a gate of the Kabul airport in the Afghan capital on Thursday, AP reported early on Friday, citing an Afghan official.
The Pentagon confirms that 12 US service members have also been killed in the attack.”
Apparently while being searched? That is the sort of numbers from a vehicle bomb.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 23:43 utc | 139

the MI6 Islamists
Posted by: Jezabeel | Aug 26 2021 20:30 utc | 85
Smart money says your tempered squeal has logical appeal. Professional commentators says 30 hi oy vey but crooked wankers will sacrifice yanks any day.

Posted by: smartmoney | Aug 26 2021 23:48 utc | 140

Biden seems to think that the people responsible for the airport bombing were recently released or escaped from prison. Looking for revenge most likely. It means the Taliban know who they are.

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 23:53 utc | 141

A CNN report from before the bombing
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-news-taliban-refugees-08-26-21-intl/h_882f03d866cef7715276e2f09cae2e46?fbclid=IwAR2vOT5yt725JHnbjOISlIuzgqgnLCrHqn5D2mR-rekqIAldjOsCPhuokKM
“A grave and specific ISIS terror threat is hanging over the frantic endgame of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, with time fast running out to rescue up to 1,500 Americans and the fate of fleeing Afghans looking darker by the hour.
President Joe Biden is so far sticking to his Tuesday deadline for the final exit from a 20-year war in Afghanistan, after an initially chaotic drawdown that has since evolved into a mammoth and daring airlift of more than 82,000 people out of Kabul.
But in an alarming sign of the deteriorating security environment, US diplomats in Kabul early Thursday local time suddenly warned American citizens to “immediately” leave several gates into the airport, citing security threats.
The warning came hours after a US defense official had told CNN that officials were alarmed by a “very specific threat stream” about the ISIS affiliate in Afghanistan, which planned to attack crowds outside the airfield.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 23:55 utc | 142

@ Lochearn | Aug 26 2021 23:35 utc | 137… are you writing from a mental health clinic? i sure hope so for your sake..

Posted by: james | Aug 26 2021 23:59 utc | 143

Jackrabbit wrote:
The fix is in. Prepare for the new conservative America … and a deeper Cold War.
_____________________________________________________________
yup, that’s what it looks like.
For those people asking Cui Bono?
Consider the Republican party as the prime candidate.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 27 2021 0:01 utc | 144

@103 CJC
re: expect combat all over the world with zero casualties…
I hesitate to say this, because what happened today was awful and nothing to take lightly. So noone should take this the wrong way… but a dozen dead is less than 20 minutes worth of US Covid body count, at the current rate.
Again, no disrespect intended, just putting in proportion the other mess everyone is more than happy to ignore.

Posted by: ptb | Aug 27 2021 0:07 utc | 145

I have been predicting for many months a sudden massive rise in ISIS attacks to sabotage the Amerikastani withdrawal.
Some questions:
How, as even Hamid Karzai asked, did ISIS establish itself in Afghanistan under the noses of the Ghani regime and Amerikastan?
Why was a salafist mosque affiliated with ISIS permitted to operate in Kabul?
Why did the Ghani regime airlift out ISIS who were surrounded by the Taliban?
I expected a massive attack on Kabul complete with car bombs and captives beheaded on video by ISIS in an attempt to stop the withdrawal (which would have benefitted both Ghani and the Amerikastani state opposed to the withdrawal). I am certain that the Taliban expected it too, which was one reason behind their blitz on Kabul only weeks after saying they wouldn’t take any cities until the withdrawal was complete.
Everyone knows how ISIS was used as the excuse for Amerikastan’s continuing reoccupation of Iraq. We all know that ISIS only launches attacks in support of Amerikastani imperialist interests.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 27 2021 0:08 utc | 146

Cui Bono?
One aspect to be kept in mind bis a big part, I think the major part of the US agreement to pull out of Afghanistan is that Taliban/Afghanistan would not harbour terrorists. US had foreknowlage of the bombing, have decided what it calls ISIS-K are the perps and will expect the Taliban to hand them over or US bombing resumes.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 0:13 utc | 147

https://nordicmonitor.com/2021/08/talibans-comeback-in-afghanistan-energises-turkish-islamists-gives-new-vigor-to-jihadists by Abdullah Bozkurt.
Bozkurt is a journalist in exile from Turkey. Do take note of the head of M.I.T., Hakan Fidan, a very powerful and dark character. The Turkish state is as malign and dangerous as its U.S. counterpart.

Posted by: Australian Lady | Aug 27 2021 0:23 utc | 148

“We will not forgive, we will not forget,” US President Joe Biden said during a televised live conference.
“We will hunt you down and make you pay.”
Osama Bin Laden 2.0. The destruction of Afghanistan continues.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 0:28 utc | 149

Peter AU1 @149–
Well, Biden won’t have to look/hunt very far since we both know the Outlaw US Empire’s Terrorist Foreign Legion’s responsible, and their primary HQ is not too far from the White House. The Empire created Terror in Afghanistan when it arrived, and it’s continuing it as it leaves. The Anglos have a very long history of using Terror to achieve political and economic ends and don’t give a damn about how bloody the means are. We both know that as do most longtime barflies. I know it’s a very hard truth to accept then admit, and then try to inform others; but after doing it several hundred/thousand times, it becomes much easier and overall events become clearer. I trust you’re getting on okay down under.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 27 2021 0:54 utc | 150

karlof1
I have been looking at a map with ‘Mackinder’s Heartland’ sort of thing in mind. It would be interesting to see a map with areas that are becoming out of bounds for the US/anglosphere shaded in. If the likes of Turkey and packistan are moved into the shaded area, the beginnings of the multipolar world takes shape. India though is still, or is back to being the jewel in the anglo crown.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 0:58 utc | 151

It may well be that bombers are standing by to drop munitions on Afghanistan, but the problem is that there is no cue to do so, despite the rhetoric from Biden reported by Peter AU1 @149.
As with Biswapriya Purkayast @146, I would have expected more in the way of atrocities as a compelling reason for the US to keep a foothold in the country. Per ptb @145, never mind the carnage in Kabul compared to a day of COVID – how about compared with a day in Afghanistan, anytime in the last 20 years? (I’m supporting your point by the way.)
I agree that the CIA stay-behinds have been activated and it makes sense that there will be a lot of them – this is the scale that CIA has demonstrated it can play at, with game-changing proxy armies in the field.
And yet, none of this scale of malign destruction has happened.
The airport is a US mess, but even so ISIS can’t get inside the perimeter, only to the teeming mass of humanity outside.
Biden swears vengeance for the US soldiers caught up in the carnage, but the withdrawal will still continue to meet its deadline – because the Taliban control the theater and the US must withdraw on the Taliban’s terms.
Baghram was supposed to leave its weapons to the Afghan army, thence to be sold off to ISIS before complete collapse and resultant civil war between ISIS and Taliban. But Taliban pre-empted all that, and took the weapons and absorbed/processed the army.
The US was supposed to be able to hover at altitude over Afghanistan for a year and a half more, and selectively destroy parts of it that looked too peaceful – but it has been denied this territory and this “moral” justification by the actions of the Taliban and the guidance of Russia and friends, who between them simply wrapped up the whole country and set it to peace.
Even in leaving, the US should have left a scorched earth behind them out of the traditional imperialist spite, but it has not been able to accomplish this (which must leave a taste of bile for some of them).
Afghanistan is entirely peaceful for the first time in 42 years. The only ruckus is at the airport, until September 1 when Taliban will impose peace. The so-called “opposition” up in the valley whose name I can’t recall at present, is following the time-honored Afghan way of resolving conflict, through negotiation rather than through fighting. So there is no “insurgency” against the Taliban.
There’s nothing against the Taliban, except the countless stay-behinds planted and run by the CIA. But are they “countless”? Have in fact, the Taliban “counted” many of them? And how long will they survive in a country whose entire population, leadership and military force is looking to kill them dead and forever?
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I don’t say all this is established with finality, but I do suggest these are the equations to calculate as the facts transpire in the times to come. How many suicide bombers will actually make it through the cordons and to the detonations? How much aggravation on the ground can the US and its pervert allies actually accomplish here?
My guess is that for every atrocity we see happen, we will have to admit that the damage was surprisingly less than it might have been, and further, that the justification for the US and its palls to gang up on Afghanistan just didn’t appear as it might have.
My guess is that we will see that the US has lost the field to the Taliban and allies, and that this is what defeat looks like: it looks like peace.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 27 2021 1:14 utc | 152

. . . prediction: The US will kill the No. 2 IS guy in Kabul, Ahmed whats-his-name. That gets Biden off the hook.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 1:19 utc | 153

Smartmoney
Whatever you mean I don’t know, but if your Oy vey has state of Israel connections, the Zionist project goes back to the same source no? Violence inc. By your deeds ye shall know them

Posted by: Jezabeel | Aug 27 2021 1:24 utc | 154

peter au quote – “”We will not forgive, we will not forget,” US President Joe Biden said”………… spoken like a guy who goes to church on sundays and works hard at keeping up appearances… jackrabbit is so right… all these presidential types are cut from the same cloth..

Posted by: james | Aug 27 2021 1:24 utc | 155

karlof1 150
We posted at about the same time.
Health wise… Geo-politics – over the last ten years, I have watched everyone around me soak up the anti china propaganda. For a while, as a country we could have gone either way. Some months ago we past the point of no return. No dissenting voices in the MSM so we are destined to go down with the US.
Very few seem to have read history or understand that we are no different to any other civilization or empire through out history, and think that ours will go on as it is forever.
Now that the point of no return has been passed, I don’t worry about it to much as I doubt I will still be around when come what may comes. I used to worry about it for my children raising their families, but they are not worried about it so whatever happens in the future is up to them.
It is the hypocrisy of the so called west – the anglosphere which always has and always will disgust me. Always I have in mind Goering’s quote on how easy it is to take people to war. It very accurate observation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 1:25 utc | 156

Recently heard an NPR story here in California on how the Taliban is so evil because they oppose vaccination. The example they give is that the only place on earth right now that have cases of polio is in Afghanistan. (Not quite true, there are still cases in Pakistan). Unfortunately that statement is mostly true — the WHO was involved in a major campaign to eradicate Polio via vaccination. This campaign was modeled on the campaign to eradicate small pox which was remarkably successful in eradicating that disease through vaccination.
What this NPR story did not mention is that the US CIA infiltrated Pakistan’s polio vaccination effort to collect blood samples from Osama bin Laden’s children to identify where he was living using DNA tracking. Now that was a major crime against world health. It immediately raised huge suspicions about the WHO’s international vaccination effort. And it was the CIA that penetrated their operation.
No one knows who in the US was responsible for this operation, but when I first heard about it I thought the ICC should have opened an investigation into identifying those CIA thugs and bring them to justice. But, of course, that did not nor would it happen.
I have no idea if the Taliban are antivaccers in general but I could certainly understand why they may be hesitant in allowing western medical teams to start injecting their children. Certainly, if I were a Taliban leader I would ask for an international investigation in that polio vaccination scam carried out by the CIA before allowing the WHO back into areas that the Taliban control.

Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 27 2021 1:27 utc | 157

@ 156 peter au.. be grateful you didn’t lick trumps boots and agree to arresting meng wanzhou who has been in detention for 1000 days awaiting canuck ”justice”…. we canucks will show up you aussies in our sycophant ability to slavishless follow whatever the big dick to the south of us says… lol.. be happy you live some far away from this nuthouse to the south of us!

Posted by: james | Aug 27 2021 1:30 utc | 158

Bojo called an emergency G7 meeting on Afghanistan which was held on Tuesday.
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/emergency-meeting-g7-leaders-reaffirm-213357885.html
Boris Johnson has promised “to use every humanitarian and diplomatic lever” to protect human rights in Afghanistan as he calls an emergency meeting of leading nations.
The Prime Minister will chair a virtual meeting of the leaders of the G7 countries and the Nato and UN secretaries-general on Tuesday,
On Monday, No 10 was keen to stress that the UK did not want to act alone on Afghanistan, and that the meeting would provide an opportunity for nations to agree a unified approach.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/world-leaders-prepare-for-emergency-g7-meeting-on-afghanistan.html

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 1:34 utc | 159

@153 ‘The US will kill the No. 2 IS guy in Kabul, Ahmed whats-his-name’
With some help from the Taliban. I suspect the much-vaunted CIA stay behinds were on the first flight out.

Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 1:49 utc | 160

Grieved
The Brits seem the ones the most upset about the US pullout. Bojo calls a G7 emergency meet then within a day or so a dozen US soldiers are killed in one hit. Something that has not happened in a long time. According to US reports, during the evacuation, helicopters, reaper drones and C7 gunships have been constantly in the air over the area. Security on the ground would also have been tight. ISIS? Even Lavrov questioned why the US were making helicopter flights into ISIS held territory in Afghanistan.
How the US west will continue its war on Afghan could take any forms. My using the term bombing was quite loose basically meaning the US will continue its war in whatever form. They may be able o get the odd airstrike in and then theres the ISIS proxies. India has a foothold in the Baluchistan region. Afghanistan wont see peace as such for a while. With Russia and China as allies, I think Taliban will survive okay but the country will still go through some very tough times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 1:55 utc | 161

We Lost the War in Afghanistan. We Need to Say So.
https://truthout.org/articles/we-lost-the-war-in-afghanistan-we-need-to-say-so/

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Aug 27 2021 1:55 utc | 162

re: kill AQ/IS #2
yeah that story never gets old, does it? 9 lives like a cat….

Posted by: ptb | Aug 27 2021 2:00 utc | 163

@dh 160
If the IS-K are largely homegrown Afridi Pashtuns also covertly supported by India via Kashmir … it’s doubtful they’re seeking refuge elsewhere in the Imperium. My guess would be the US/NATO covert support for IS and other ‘resistance’ will be ongoing, plus or minus unfortunate but spinnable collateral damage vis a vis their own ‘grunts’ not Afghan civilians. They’ll be flooding the place with their takfiri troops from Idlib via Turkey now the airlifts are no go, unless Erdogan says “Absolutely not!”
If the Empire must evacuate then it’s all stops out for sewing as much chaos as possible lest Afghanistan become a peaceful thus stable central cog in the economic integration of Eurasia, from Xinjiang to Ghadar to Persia to the Stans and beyond. I’m pretty sure that’s the Xi vision the neo-Taliban are looking to buy into, at least if you listen to the likes of Escobar et al.

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 2:04 utc | 164

james 158
NZ is the only one relatively out of US harms way. Here we are the forward military base for the US war on China. New US bases are being set up at our cost all across the north. Until the US collapses, no voices against the US occupation and our turn against the country that kept our economy afloat through the GFC will be allowed. We are part of the Asia pacific. Now we are simply a US base/anglo outpost in the south of Asia pacific. I can’t see things going well for us when US are finally booted out of the region, especially so if there is any sort of shooting war.
Canada living next door to US or Australia, that has already sabotaged its trade surplus with its biggest trade partner and as a base that can be abandoned if the going gets tough for the US.. Neither option is good.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 2:13 utc | 165

Why do I get the feeling the Taliban will be the new Saudis in 10 years? The world is trying to move away from oil and the Taliban just took possession of the largest lithium mine in the world in addition to a treasure of other minerals on the doorstep of China.
Are the Taliban going to be the equivalent of the Saudis in 10 years minus the West?

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 27 2021 2:15 utc | 166

ToivoS | Aug 27 2021 1:27 utc | 157

a pile of little arms

The horror

Posted by: DeQuincey | Aug 27 2021 2:16 utc | 167

Let’s look on the bright side. Probably the US will never go back into Afghanistan the way they did in Iraq. They will be shut out, as they will be finally in Iraq and Syria. Also this is what the US corporate establishment wants . . . to get it on with China and Russia. There are big bucks pending when the US goes major league. That even includes not only Navy and Air force but also the half-million person Army with its blah-blah Multi-Domain Doctrine here. And the Space Command, needing to defend GPS satellites etc.
Mainly lots of big-time spending coming to kill them some Chinese and Russians.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 2:16 utc | 168

@164 I doubt if the Taliban would put up with Idlib type takfiris for very long.
IS-K is still a bit mysterious. Are they more extreme than the Taliban? Are they Afridis who feel left out? Ex-Madrassah fanatics? Or are they, as Biden suggests, people who escaped from jail with a big grudge against everyone.
I’m also interested to see what happens to the Afghan financial assets in New York. I don’t see how the US can recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government but others might.

Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2021 2:23 utc | 169

@Posted by: james | Aug 27 2021 1:30 utc | 158
So true, I am sure that any extradition will be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court – dragging things out even further. An actual extradition would make Canada unsafe for any Chinese nationals given the long arm of the US “Justice” system, and would create a backlash from China. The university that I am at is very scared of losing all those Chinese students paying full international fees (30,000 plus of them), lets alone the business impacts. The raw materials export sector will surely take a hit.
Canada the obedient doggie, taking a beating to prove its fealty to its master.
“The Chinese envoy also condemned the Canadian government’s wrongdoing, emphasizing that any attempt and conduct of bullying or suppressing the Chinese people would be met with a counterstrike, adding that the Chinese government firmly protects the legitimate rights of Chinese citizens and companies.”
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232584.shtml

Posted by: Roger | Aug 27 2021 2:27 utc | 170

The explosions in the airport after the attack are US demolition teams blowing up equipment at the airport prior to their departure.

Posted by: circumpstect | Aug 27 2021 2:28 utc | 171

Excerpt from Information Clearing House;
August 23, 2021″Information Clearing House” – It took America 15 years to airlift its whipped, arrogant ass out of Vietnam; in Afghanistan it took 20. All the young men and women our diseased, criminal “leaders” doomed to be killed, mangled, or commit suicide in or after those fake, bullshit “wars” were, in effect, shit-canned by them like rotten meat. Trillions that should have educated, inspired, and nurtured them were wasted and stolen by our rabid, raping Capitalist War Machine.
After 20 years of blustering, pious deception, colluded in by the hillbilly ninnies laughingly referred to as our government, led by four despicable Presidents—as contemptible a set of moral and spiritual monsters as could be dredged up from the fetid latrines of history—this hideous charade can be seen for what it was: a brazen scam to engorge our Death Merchants with blood money.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

Posted by: vetinLA | Aug 27 2021 2:29 utc | 172

De quincey 167
Wow. What a scene. But no, I did not have that image from Apocalypse Now when I made my comment. But it might be relevant.

Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 27 2021 2:30 utc | 173

@110 Christian J. Chuba …”because mass evacuations are so complex”…
Why did it have to be mass evacuations?
Get any US citizens out, sure.
Get the US military out, certainly.
Beyond that, why should the US evacuate anyone else?
The airport at Kabul is – obviously – a bottleneck. Multiple checkpoints all around it.
If the Taliban wanted to grab anyone heading to that airport then they could. But they don’t.
Clearly they are not all that interested in nabbing these people, which suggests there isn’t any urgent need for them to flee.
And if they did want to flee Afghanistan, well, there is a border with Pakistan, with Iran, and with a number of other countries.
I agree with b: this entire episode is mass hysteria whipped up for no discernable reason.
The USA would have been better advised to put its foot down in the beginning: US persons only, nobody else should head to the airport.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 27 2021 2:36 utc | 174

@153 Don Bacon Nah, too difficult. The USA will blame the Taliban and launch a drone strike on their No.2 Guy.
Then once the news cycle turns to Something Else they will admit, sure, fine, OK, maybe we made a mistake blaming the Taliban.
But, hey, we had the best of intentions and…… you know how it is……

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 27 2021 2:41 utc | 175

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 2:13 utc | 165
The nightmare that the Anglo elites sense is coming:
England becomes an increasingly irrelevant island (especially after Ireland reunifies and perhaps Scotland gets to leave) off the coast of the declining European archipelago. Australia becomes an increasingly irrelevant island off the thriving EurAsian continent, perhaps continuing to be “lucky” exporting raw materials and tourist experiences while the PM regularly makes the pilgrimage to Beijing to kiss the ring. Canada becomes (has already become?) the 51st state of a declining, and increasingly divided, US. New Zealand keeps its head down and muddles through.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 27 2021 2:41 utc | 176

@dh 169
As I understand it IS are indoctrinated takfiri extremists with respect to murdering Shia/Hazara as well as everyone else that isn’t Sunni enough for them, like little girls at school and also the Taliban with whom they’ve been trading beheadings for some years now. Apparently that’s partly what led to the IS split with Al Qaeda in Syria, Bin Laden’s mum being Shia and all, plus of course US/NATO covert support for an Islamic Caliphate to destroy the Syrian army and gov along with the Shia Crescent. Taliban Haqqani network are similar to IS with respect to murdering Shia but the neo-Taliban leadership have also been making the right noises re bringing the Hazara tribes along with their all-Afghan ‘inclusive’ Islamism.
As for not putting up with Idlib type takfiris … we’re talking Turkmen to Uighur to Pashtun at the crossroads of central and south Asia!

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 2:41 utc | 177

@ Peter AU 165
Here we are the forward military base for the US war on China.
Well Peter it’s not that forward. Darwin – Shanghai is 3,000 miles, or 5,000 km. Plus the Indonesia archipelago and Philippines are in the way.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 2:43 utc | 178

@ YR 175
The USA will blame the Taliban
Nope, IS will take the fall. The US and the Taliban have an agreement, and it is the IS that is interfering. Blaming Taliban is off the table. There are still a thousand Americans in Afghanistan, for one thing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 2:49 utc | 179

September 1st: Normal service at Kabul airport slowly resumes and the Taliban allow those with passports/visas to leave on commercial flights, as they promised. “You silly people, we told you that you would be fine to leave, all that chaos and misery for nothing!” would be the best revenge for the Taliban, underlining their new approach and agreement capability while making the US and West look even more foolish.
Then youtube tours of the vast American Embassy with comments like “you could pay of all student debt in the US for how much it cost to build this palace”, plus the Taliban find those students and their parents from California (?) and return them safely.
How would the servile media deal with all of this, or perhaps Afghanistan will rapidly disappear from our screens?

Posted by: Roger | Aug 27 2021 2:51 utc | 180

Don Bacon
I think if US starts anything in SCS, its bases in northern Australia will get hit. About 4000k to southern China but still a fair distance. WWII, which was the last great power war, apart from aircraft and direct bombing was relatively short range. The distance of an artillery shell. Now we are in the missile age.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 2:57 utc | 181

The loss of Afghanistan is an absolute defeat for the USA. Biden’s statement that the USA is “withdrawing” from Afghanistan so that it can focus of destroying China doesn’t make any sense, as it is getting more distant – not closer – from Chinese territory without any any foothold on Central Asia.
There’s no other way to put it. It is a military defeat in every sense of the word.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2021 3:03 utc | 182

@179 Don Bacon Someone has to die to “avenge” the dead marines. That is a given. And if the USA doesn’t know the whereabouts of ISIS inside Afghanistan then the USA will simply pick someone else and fire a Hellfire missile through their window.
I mean, get real: the USA won’t being interested in “blaming” someone. The USA will want someone to be “terminated, with extreme prejudice”.
I doubt that they much care who that person is.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 27 2021 3:07 utc | 183

@ Roger 180
. . .plus the Taliban find those students and their parents from California (?) and return them safely.
There were a couple dozen students and a dozen parents from San Diego in Afghanistan. The families had traveled separately to Afghanistan for summer vacations to see their grandparents, cousins and other relatives. Most of the families came to the United States on a special immigrant visa after having worked for the U.S. government or U.S. military in Afghanistan, officials said.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 3:09 utc | 184

@ Yeah, Right 183
I agree, but a story will come with it. It’s ‘information operations.’ . . .Information operations is “the integrated employment, during military operations, of information-related capabilities in concert with other lines of operation to influence, disrupt, corrupt, or usurp the decision-making of adversaries and potential adversaries while protecting our own.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 3:12 utc | 185

@Peter AU 165

I can’t see things going well for us when US are finally booted out of the region

Aus, as you no doubt know, has been the US’ deputy dawg in the Pacific for quite some time now, and the current Tories are definitely still all the way with LBJ even if it means impoverishing their own nation and actually becoming the poor white trash of Asia once the US-led financial empire collapses, but I can’t see the US being simply booted out of the region anytime soon as they will remain Pacific neighbours to Aus and East Asia.
What’s at stake in the collapse of Anglo-American Empire is the eventual rearrangement of geopolitical relations such that the US accepts being merely one great power amongst equals, with the US Hawks powerless to make it otherwise, hypersonic nukes notwithstanding. It will be interesting to see how it goes this decade, and how much assistance the rest of the world gives the US in just chilling the fuck out and letting go of its Imperial delusions. The Afghanistan rout appears to be part of this process of ongoing financial and military collapse, the fall of Pax Americana.
But going forwards, I doubt anyone anywhere is interested in a nuclear armed but suicidal former superpower just rotting away from the head in its corner of the western hemisphere … at some point the Yanks will have to be welcomed back into the human village!

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 3:16 utc | 186

@ VK 182
It is a military defeat in every sense of the word.
That’s not the US position, which has media support.
Biden: “. .the United States did what we went to do in Afghanistan: to get the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and to deliver justice to Osama Bin Laden, and to degrade the terrorist threat to keep Afghanistan from becoming a base from which attacks could be continued against the United States. We achieved those objectives. That’s why we went. We did not go to Afghanistan to nation-build. And it’s the right and the responsibility of the Afghan people alone to decide their future and how they want to run their country.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 3:17 utc | 187

@ Peter
I think if US starts anything in SCS, its bases in northern Australia will get hit.
I believe China has more integrity than that. China would not knock off a major trading partner because of aggression from the US and Japan, if that’s how they do it. If Oz provides a measure of support for aggression, that changes of course. Indications are that Australia will be smart about it. I believe Oz has not participated in the phony US and other allies’ FONOPS in the SCS, for example.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 3:24 utc | 188

Yeah, Right Don Bacon
The War of Terror continues, one way or another. So now US will be Trying to take down Russia China combined, along with continuing its War of Terror…. though in Afghanistan they all merge. Brits looking at Russia, no change from Brits vs Russia there in the past, US blocking China’s belt and road, and for the MIC the flow of funds for the war of terror job keeps flowing along with new revenue streams from what is now the great power cold war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 3:26 utc | 189

Don Bacon
If the Taliban grab the Isis number 2 dude, they could simply walk him to the airport and tell those brave marines to ‘deal with it’. That would be the end of it.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 3:32 utc | 190

Roger, Peter AU – respectfully, you both sound like one of those fellows from a Five-Eyes think tank on this one. Personally, I’d listen to the concerns of those whose community is affected by it. I don’t know Indian politics; even in Vancouver, I was a foreigner in that community, although welcomed and embraced, but not someone with whom the inner workings of Indian society would be shared. So I can’t say – there is mention of the yellow armbands that the Taliban previously forced Afghanistan’s Sikh and Hindu citizens to wear.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 27 2021 3:32 utc | 191

Zeug Gezeugt #186
Well maybe welcomed as far as the cemetery at the village precinct.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2021 3:36 utc | 192

Hi Uncle Tungsten @ 192
If anyone wants to bury the US in that global village cemetery they will almost certainly be burying themselves and their families as well. Mutual Assured Destruction remains the only reason the current global hostilities these last 2 decades haven’t yet devolved into tactical nuclear exchanges, although apparently Syria came closest. At the end of the day (decade), we’ll either find our way though to a win-win for every great power and their partners, or a final solution to the human problem … personally I would hope the former!
The Afghan debacle is a good start, to be followed by the withdrawal of Imperial troops from the Middle East, and the fading away of the Imperial delusion of a conquest of Persia.

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 3:47 utc | 193

@ ZG 186
Well stated. The US must learn to play nice with other countries, and not boss them around. It will happen. Some day the US will quit saying “we are a world leader.” And thusly Afghanistan is important. . .Just not yet.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 3:47 utc | 194

Don Bacon 188
Iron ore is the big thing. Aus politicians and so called opinion writers were crowing about this thinking it is a great hold we have over China. China has quickly brought iron ore prices down and is now ‘diversifying’ its imports. They are looking at developing their own deposits along with investing in new deposits or mines in non five-eyes territory. China described it as treachery when we turned on them at US behest. Developing other sources for China is not a short term thing. It will take a few years to get other sources up and running but that is the path China will continue on. I give Australian iron ore exports to China 3-4 years max. Rio Tinto I think it was approached China to build a heavy rail from a large high grade ore deposit across soft ground to the coast in Africa. Apparently this is one of the best and largest deposits in the world but getting it to the coast is the issue. They see which way the political winds are blowing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 3:48 utc | 195

@ Peter
Is there any hope for a Gough Whitlam #2 who would adopt policies best for Australia instead of blind support for the US?. . .That would certainly please China, as well as being good for Aussies. Then I’d say “good on ya.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 3:57 utc | 196

Zeug Gezeugt 186
A scenario somewhat like the decline of the British empire? An empire subsiding rather than collapsing type thing. Can the US based western economy handle that without collapsing? US looks determined to fight the decline of its empire to the last, which if is the case means that at some point their will be a collapse.
What risks will they take to prevent this? I think its a tossup which way things go, though Russians continued deployment of advanced weapons systems is changing the US tone somewhat.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2021 4:01 utc | 197

@ Peter
The US has serious domestic problems — crime, race, health, industry, economic disparity, inflation — which limit its national power, no matter what weapons it has. And putting females in infantry units? . . Give me a break.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2021 4:09 utc | 198

collapse… dimitry orlov talks about this a lot…. he wrote books on it.. i haven’t read them…
https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/p/the-five-stages-of-collapse.html

Posted by: james | Aug 27 2021 4:11 utc | 199

@Peter AU 197
The financial collapse started a decade ago and is ongoing! Current guesstimates are the everything bubble pops next year, with the worst case scenario being the collapse of the OECD central banking system along with it followed by some sort of cobbled together Great Reset.
So in this view, the US financial and military empire is already collapsing in slow motion, and it’s a generational change with punctuated equilibria along the way. That’s one analyst’s subsidence and another’s collapse, depending on your perspective I guess … but it appears inevitable and yes I’m sure the Hawks will go down screaming! Hopefully without pushing the big red LAUNCH button.
There are plenty of realists in the US elites though, you just don’t hear them much over the screaming Neocon lunatics who have been largely at the controls of US foreign policy since at least the 3 term reign of Bush I.

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Aug 27 2021 4:21 utc | 200