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August 26, 2021

Further U.S. Hostility Against The Taliban Is Not In Its Best Interest

The chaotic evacuation of international 'assets' and economic migrants from Kabul airport just got more complicate.

An hour ago a suicide bomber blew himself up amidst a crowd which was waiting to get access to the airport. Additionally gunfire was heard. At least 13 people got killed. There are pictures and video of dozens of killed and wounded Afghans.

Hours ago the U.S. and UK had warned of an imminent ISIS attack on the airport and had asked their citizens to stay away from the airport.

The evacuation flights for civilians were supposed to end today. That was to leave time for the several thousand military on the ground to wrap up their mission before the August 31 end date. The Taliban have insisted on that final date.

Whoever has sent in the suicide bomber wanted to interrupt that process. Your guess who that was is as good as mine.

The whole evacuation panic was and is, in my view, totally unnecessary.

The Taliban have no interest in taking hostages or in taking systematic revenge on Afghan personnel that had worked with foreign governments. They publicly issued a complete amnesty. They also need money, international recognition and support.

The U.S. has blocked the Afghan central bank accounts with the Fed and ordered the IMF and the World Bank to not provide money to Afghanistan. That is huge leverage.

The U.S. could have used that leverage in a positive sense to organize, if necessary at all, a very smooth and orderly evacuation of people by normal civil flights over several weeks or months. But for some reason the Pentagon friendly media in Washington created an artificial panic and set off a monstrous military emergency show.

The U.S. should by the way lift its block on that Afghan money. It is in its best interest to have good relations with the Taliban. The German chancellor Merkel recognized that. She announced that Germany will continue to support Afghanistan even under Taliban rule. It is the right thing to do because Afghanistan is still a dirt poor country, because there are people in need and because it is in 'western' interest to keep Afghanistan peaceful and united. An unruly Afghanistan under financial pressure is way more likely to create trouble abroad - be it as shelter for global militants or as a source of huge refugee streams.

Withholding money does not create long term leverage. Leverage is to use money to reward good behavior. The Taliban have so far behaved very well. They protected the airport from again being overrun. All of Kabul except for the airport is living a normal life. People are back at work, the banks have reopened.

President Joe Biden has taken on political risk by ordering the complete retreat from Afghanistan. Should he consider further hostility against the country, by financial means or by igniting a new civil war as some Republican demands, he will not gain the political profit from it.

Posted by b on August 26, 2021 at 15:21 UTC | Permalink

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The finger of the corporate media is pointing towards the old chestnut of ISIL for the bombing, any terrorist organisation will do when you're in a bit of jam. It was rather prophetic that they knew this was coming, coincidence?

Anyway I've read that the US Federal Reserve bank has been holding around 1,700 gold bar for Afghanistan for years now, and even if they are still in the Fed, which is in itself debatable, I doubt the gold bars will be returned to the country any time soon.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 26 2021 15:33 utc | 1

I read somewhere yesterday that the Taliban are talking to Turkey to run the Kabul airport after empire leaves. Isn't that like asking the fox to guard the hen house?

@ b who wrote
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An unruly Afghanistan under financial pressure is way more likely to create trouble abroad - be it as shelter for global militants or as a source of huge refugee streams.
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This is a feature b, not a bug. Stability is not in the best interest of empire.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 26 2021 15:34 utc | 2

Thanks to Ghani and the Talibans, Qatar and UAE talk to each other again.
https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/421854/World/Region/Senior-UAE-official-in-Qatar-for-talks.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Aug 26 2021 15:41 utc | 3

Those behind this (read: CIA) do not work in the best interest of the US or anyone else.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 15:43 utc | 4

Politically speaking, the fate of Biden-Harris depends on Covid. In swing states, as always. As important as it is to finally leave Afghanistan, voters will not care much.

If the vaccine mandate fails to work, which at this time is a real possibility because the policy targets too young a demographic, alienating workers and not having an effect on retired people, and enough of them fill up the hospitals, making the administration look bad.... then Dems are out in 2024 IMO. And if they are caught making particularly bad reversals of the stated facts, they may possibly lose control of Congress in 2022.

The MIC will need to receive the same money that came from the Afghan con in some other form, but that will not be a problem. Neither political party is opposed to that.

Posted by: ptb | Aug 26 2021 15:53 utc | 5

One can only shake one's head at the obvious ploys in play to sustain Empire's footprint in its own grave.

Seems the strategy is to force Biden to get one last killing erection before his stroke.

If Biden sticks to the plan in spite of murderous provocation; good on him.

Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 26 2021 15:56 utc | 6

Wouldn't be shocked at all if the bombing was purposefully allowed to proceed by the CIA - curious that this happens the day after it hits the news that the CIA is taking over the evacuation of the 'last remaining' US personnel. My money is on this being an attack by a pseudo-ISIS outfit operating under the remnants of the afghan NDS - the CIA/NDS has a history of setting up militias such as the Khost Protection Force and the Sangorians which were designed to look and fight like the Taliban - it doesn't seem like much of a stretch that this tactic would be used at this stage, ISIS-K being a problem for the Taliban and therefore good cover so that western media wont look too closely at the details. Any amount of chaos aids the holdouts in Panjshir; one prominent figure who is in Panjshir, Amrullah Saleh, is helping organize the nascent anti-taliban insurgency and he ran the NDS while it was being loaded up with all these shadowy militia groups and the CJSOTF kill teams.

Posted by: ex_zakly | Aug 26 2021 15:59 utc | 7

Several war ghouls yesterday--on NPR, CNN, other outlets--more or less predicted this suicide bombing by "ISIS-K" today. That is called priming the pump. I can't believe they can just continue to do this shit, less elegantly, each time, and continue to get away with it.

Posted by: WJ | Aug 26 2021 16:20 utc | 8

ptb @ 5, it is hard not to contemplate the disarray at the Kabul airport with the disarray on the covid virus front. I don't agree that voters do not care about the situation there in Afghanistan. I think they'd have given the Biden adminstration a lot of credit if departure had been managed even as hastily as it was at Bagram - if only they'd silently stolen away (and stolen is the operative word.)

Five more days. We watch, as we watch the intransigence of vaccine mandates when so many consequences are being uncovered and bruited about, both pro and contra; so the US populace is in a whirling cloud of uncertainties and there is no clear path except to try to find the eye of the storm and wait it out there.

Like Diogenes with his lantern, we seek that rarity among us -- an honest man.

Please, Afghanis, return to your homes. Wait it out just five more days. Be safe.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 26 2021 16:25 utc | 9

The 11th dimensional chess continues. Sick of it all. Humans are one f'ed up species.

Posted by: So | Aug 26 2021 16:27 utc | 10

Whatever happens in Kabul, it is part of the smokescreen to cover the mayhem covid vaccine (expected) fiasco.
Just like in Oct 2011, the script is "it is so big that there will be no over options to the govs that are onboard to follow".
At this stage the best resistance is to refuse jabs/boosters and to stop consuming as much as possible.
GO MINIMALIST!

Posted by: Mina | Aug 26 2021 16:31 utc | 11

Why CIA rather than UAE? In Libya, Syria and Yemen, some of the bloodiest attacks on crowds were made by unidentified planes which some have said might have been UAE.
Just asking.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 26 2021 16:34 utc | 12


Yes this Airport chaos is absolutely unnecessary. It is in Taliban's interest to comply with people's exit. Otherwise they could be condemned internationally and have to put up with this new generation that grew || with American/pop norms. Not to mention their remittances in future.

But calling them economic migrants is not fair to say the least. Yes, Taliban wont behead folks on every street corner. But it can stop you from being who you are for this and for that reason- being woman is one...

If in the past 40 years there were any truly legitimate political refugees from Afghanistan, it the ones @ the airport. They were told they were free and all of a sudden handed on a silver platter to the Taliban.

Posted by: Afgun | Aug 26 2021 16:36 utc | 13

It was 100% crystal clear as soon as the "warnings" were made that the Outlaw US Empire had issued orders to its Terrorist Foreign Legion to begin its chaos sowing attacks. So, this news is no surprise to those in the know. An excellent observation was made on another thread about the proper ordering of an evacuation--civilians and equipment are first, troops last, not the other way round.

Meanwhile, the Taliban have created what I see as a Counter-Narrative, Bin-Laden had nothing to do with 911, which directly challenges the BigLie that the Outlaw US Empire used to initiate its global war of terror after its successful terrorizing of Serbia and after the just announced goal of seeking Full Spectrum Domination:

"As the 20th anniversary of 9/11, the deadliest terrorist attacks in US history, approaches, the Taliban maintains that the US has yet to offer the group proof that Osama bin Laden was involved in or responsible for the acts of terror.

"'When Osama bin Laden became an issue for the Americans, he was in Afghanistan. Although there was no proof he was involved, now we have given promises that Afghan soil won’t be used against anyone,' Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told NBC News on Wednesday.

"Pressed by his interviewer on whether he really believed that bin Laden wasn’t involved in 9/11, Mujahid said that 'there is no evidence' to support this.

"'Even after 20 years of war, we have no proof he was involved. There was no justification for this war. It was an excuse for war,' he stressed." [My Emphasis]

We must remember there's zero proof for the Establishment Narrative about Bin-Laden, including his supposed capture, execution, and body being dumped at sea, just as there's a large mass of evidence that disproves the Establishment's 911 Conspiracy Theory. My own question regarding the issuance of the Counter-Narrative is if it was discussed with the Taliban's international supporters, namely Russia, China and Iran, and if they gave their blessings. The last report I saw dealing with global opinion about 911 was that a majority didn't believe the Empire's conspiracy theory thanks mainly to the many other BigLies it's told since then as well as the belated truths about Serbia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2021 16:36 utc | 14

The author is probably referring to what in Game Theory they call "the problem of the end of the game", which states that the prospect of the end of the game destroys the rules of the game. If the USA closes all the roads to USDs from Afghanistan, Afghanistan will immediately start to use Renminbi and Rubles (and maybe even Euro) and accelerate their link up with the Russo-Chinese economies, which in turns hurts the USA because it accelerates (and not retards) its exit from Central Asia. Long story short: the sanctions that should in theory keep Afghanistan under American leash actually releases it from said leash immediately.

By the way, the "end of the game" dilemma is the same one that keeps the Ukraine from immediately acceding to NATO and/or the EU. Leverage only exists as long as the game keeps being played (the proverbial music that keeps playing).

Reality is much more complicated than that. The USA has serious (in sense of unprecedented) domestic problems which it must stave off before trying to do anything in the geopolitical sphere. Biden has been printing unprecedented quantities of USDs to try to do something about the American infrastructure (whatever that means). A new USD 3.5 trn budget has just been barely approved, and now the process of passing some USD 1.2 trn infrastructure bill is just starting. The USD is quickly losing its purchasing power overall, even though the USD is getting stronger against other fiat currencies. That means those billions of USDs in Afghan accounts won't keep their leverage for much longer, it's not the Temple of Saturn people think it is.

In the real world, the American Empire has not that much time to articulate its resources. It's not like it can simply print USDs and give them to every country on Earth so that they can amass a super-alliance against China.

Posted by: vk | Aug 26 2021 16:36 utc | 15

Not ISIS nor ISIL but ISK-P .. the Islamic State of Khorasan Province.

Why Did the U.S. Use the ‘Mother of All Bombs’ in Afghanistan? - July 2017

Pentagon: ‘Kinetic Strike’ Kills Khorasan Leader in Syria - July 2015

The Pentagon has initiated the name “Khorasan ” to designate hard-core Al Qaeda operatives in the Levant. The first time the name was used on an US strike in Syria to decimate its leadership. This Al Qaeda operative has been targeted before and presumed killed.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 26 2021 16:37 utc | 16

they want ro re-open the base and estaablish there a permanent US-base again, against the Russian words that they don't accept any US-troops there.

Posted by: wp007 | Aug 26 2021 16:43 utc | 17

If the Taliban wanted to take hostages or extract additional revenge, they could have shut the airport down a week ago, with nothing more than a couple of mortar rounds or shot down a transport or two.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Aug 26 2021 16:49 utc | 18

Thanks b

Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 26 2021 16:50 utc | 19

@karlof1 | Aug 26 2021 16:36 utc | 14

"Pressed by his interviewer on whether he really believed that bin Laden wasn’t involved in 9/11, Mujahid said that 'there is no evidence' to support this.

"'Even after 20 years of war, we have no proof he was involved. There was no justification for this war. It was an excuse for war,' he stressed."


I've said the same thing for almost 20 years. Such proof will never materialize because it was a lie, and the war on Afghanistan was planned before 911. Bin laden died in December 2001 of kidney failure.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 16:52 utc | 20

Qatar and UAE talk … the moment it became clear the previous president lost the election and Democrat Joe Biden would enter the White House. :-)

DOHA - Nov. 24, 2020 Meshal Al-Thani, Qatar’s ambassador to the United States, said today he is “optimistic” that a recent flurry of diplomacy in the final days of the Trump administration could signal progress toward healing the rift within the GCC.

Was not about Ghani or Afghanistan.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 26 2021 16:55 utc | 21

The Kabul-show makes the Taliban look like bloodthirsty tyrants whom one has to flee. By comparison the Americans look like champions of "freedom and democracy". That's why that show is set up.

A few days ago the Taliban showed up at the Afghan central bank asking for the money (you wrote about it). Apparently the expected some kind of Donald Duck-like treasure vault.

The idea of using the Afghan foreign currency reserves as leverage in order to achieve a diplomatic solution isn't bad. I'm just not sure if it works with the Taliban. Using finances as leverage requieres the Taliban to have basic economic knowledge and an understanding of the severity of Afghanistans economic situation.

Posted by: m | Aug 26 2021 16:57 utc | 22

PTB @ 5 If the vaccine mandate fails to work.. .... then Dems are out in 2024 IMO.
<= I note also that Juliana @ 9 agrees.. Afghanistan will help not hurt 2024 Demos.

<= Yesterday I polled 12 different people in 12 different traditionally Reputurd places <=outcome: to the person, planning to vote for Biden for his USA exit from Afghanistan and hope that he will also exist USA from Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen, I think he will be president for as long as he wants if he does those things.

Afgun @ 13. If in the past 40 years there were any truly legitimate political refugees from Afghanistan, it the ones @ the airport. They were told they were free and all of a sudden handed on a silver platter to the Taliban.

<= Legitimate political .. that's an oxymoron I think? No such thing.. I don't see any difference in leaving them in Afghanistan then the various state powers division of the spoils of WWI and WWII.. many politicals became victims of societies that were opposed to.


Karlof1 @ 14 there is no evidence' <=right on. maybe that is the message in Biden's withdrawal?


vk @ 15 Afghanistan will immediately start to use Renminbi and Rubles (and maybe even Euro) and accelerate their link up with the Russo-Chinese economies, which in turns hurts the USA because it accelerates (and not retards) its exit from Central Asia. Long story short: the sanctions that should in theory keep Afghanistan under American leash actually releases it from said leash immediately.
<= Observation: If the new govt allows only govt issued scrip to be used as currency in Afghanistan, changes the nation state communication systems from digital to analog and blocks borders to all (coming or going); economic activity will benefit only those who remain inside.. Afghanistan scrip can finance expansion, education and government and analog can provide security against outsiders to Afghanistan. Isolate and insulate.. IOT develop and prosper.

Posted by: snake | Aug 26 2021 17:00 utc | 23

Recap

US military suddenly and secretly abandons Baghram, sparking crisis of confidence Afghan army. Major cities are abandoned without a fight. Afghan government collapses within days instead of months.

Biden tells us US government planned for all contingencies and USA will not fight for Afghans that won't fight for themselves.

US military leaves before evacuating civilians, creating a humanitarian crisis that only their own heroic efforts can alleviate. Media praise the military.

Biden's request for more time to evacuate is rejected by the Taliban. Biden/USA is embarrassed by having to kowtow to a Taliban red-line - Media loudly complains that there is not enough time to get everyone out.

Suddenly talk of a possible attack by ISIS-K surfaces. Warning get increasingly dire over several days.

An attack occurs .. and we are told that more attacks may come(!) Now the NEED to leave by Aug 31 is not driven by a Taliban red-line but by prudent safety concerns.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 17:02 utc | 24


So predictable and so diabolical. Nothing surprises one any more about the nefarious ploys of the Hegemon.

Taliban must not accept ANY deadline extension. They need to get these parasites out for good in order to be masters in own house.

Posted by: Harald | Aug 26 2021 17:05 utc | 25

One suspects that the Jewed-up Christians are going to bitterly regret their hypocritical hand-wringing over the plight of Afghan women under a Taliban government. Especially considering their Total Silence on the plight of Palestinian women under the bloodthirsty, thieving, racist-supremacist apartheid NAKBAli government in "Israel."
What a joke!
Will the Holier-than-Thou Yankees de-fund "Israel" and freeze its assets? Or do they agree with the "Israelis" that Palestinians don't qualify as Human from a Human Rights perspective?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 26 2021 17:10 utc | 26

b: President Joe Biden has taken on political risk by ordering the complete retreat from Afghanistan.

You just posted analysis from Michael Brenner that correctly notes that Trump signed an agreement that committed USA to leave. So it was Trump that ordered the "retreat".

But the "retreat" is being hung around the Biden's head but it is a BI-PARTISAN affair. Just like the war itself - it was always bi-partisan.

We should not accept 'truths' that originate from the smoke and mirrors of partisan bickering.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 17:14 utc | 27

CBC “coincidentally” published a primer on ISIS-K just a few hours ahead of the bombings at Kabul airport.

As articulated by various representatives of national security think tanks, ISIS-K neatly fits a predetermined narrative of threat:
"I think now with the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan, you're going to start seeing foreign fighters flocking to the country. You could have Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, you know, Central Asians joining the mix, and it's going to make ISIS more dangerous."

US and allied withdrawal from Afghanistan created a “security vacuum”:
“Following the full military withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan on Aug. 31, it is likely that ISIS-K will exploit the security vacuum to regenerate and quickly re-establish itself throughout at least the eastern region of the country…”

Furthermore, it was presumedly known for a long time ahead of the US and allied withdrawal that plans were afoot for a prolonged civil war within Afghanistan, which the chaos at the airport “tragically” promotes:
“Long before the takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban… ISIS-K had already decided that its main target in the future is the Taliban, for which they are ready to start a new and long war in Afghanistan."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-k-afghanistan-taliban-security-threat-1.6153177

Posted by: jayc | Aug 26 2021 17:15 utc | 28

Norwegian @20--

Thanks for your reply. In the tale of Bin-Laden's capture, there was no mention of dialysis equipment being present, a big omission by the author.

m @22--

The Taliban are very much aware of their nation's economic malaise; correcting that has been the primary focus of their negotiations with Russia and China. As with Iran, China can easily support the Afghan government's needs until it can provide for itself. A key point will be using its own currency for international commerce, which is the direction the SCO, CSTO, ASEAN, and EAEU affiliated nations are all taking. But what's most important is rapid development of the agricultural sector so any foreign currency earnings don't need to be expended on importation of foodstuffs thus eliminating that area of dependency. Once stability is achieved, income from work on infrastructure projects will boost the domestic economy and further enhance stability. And if the Afghan government stays within the collectivist framework of Islam while reigning in corruption and income inequality, in a generation Afghanistan ought to be a moderately prosperous nation given regional dynamics.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2021 17:21 utc | 29

The US purpose, as some have noted, is to create chaos in Afganistan and other stans, if possible, to undermine the BRI and threaten Russia and China. The US cannot allow stability in Afghanistan(hence its financial attacks). It is moving out, but it is leaving Saleh and ISIS in to help create the continuous war of instability.

If the Taliban cannot crush these US proxies quickly, then this chaos will clearly benefit the US by preventing China and Russia (through the other stans), as well as Iran from creating a stable environment on their borders.

Chaos is US.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 26 2021 17:22 utc | 30

@Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 17:02 utc | 24

Exactly. The Taliban need to put an end to this chaos by sticking to their deadline - I am sure that the US will go back to them for another extension attempt, after this "troubling incident"/US staged outrage. Taliban should issue a simple "no" and move on.

With all surrounding nations resisting any provision of US bases, the US is finished once they leave the airport. Then the Taliban can start the recovery of the nation with the help of their neighbours.

Just waiting for the BS on the Canadian Bullshit Corporation (CBC) and the British Bullshitting Courtesans (BBC) about this. No questions about how many bloody "translators" does an Empire need, instead stories about our "plucky" Afghan allies who made it through tribulations to the safety of the Homeland. There's a grandfather of a future Canadian deputy-PM in there somewhere ....

Posted by: Roger | Aug 26 2021 17:25 utc | 31

On a new twist from the "bombing" near Kabul airport, the Pentagon has come out and said that multiple US troops have been killed in the explosion.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 26 2021 17:28 utc | 32

Nearing the big 20th anniversary, how ironic for the the Taliban to kick-start the 911 Truth movement.

Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 26 2021 17:29 utc | 33

In discussing Afghanistan, it's important to understand how the US deliberately destroyed a progressive, developing society in 1978-1979 and inflicted over four decades of war and suffering onto the Afghan people, and much of the rest of the world.

Here's a critically important article:

John Pilger: The Great Game of Smashing Nations
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/08/24/john-pilger-the-great-game-of-smashing-nations/

Excerpt:

"As a tsunami of crocodile tears engulfs Western politicians, history is suppressed. More than a generation ago, Afghanistan won its freedom, which the United States, Britain and their “allies” destroyed.

In 1978, a liberation movement led by the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) overthrew the dictatorship of Mohammad Dawd, the cousin of King Zahir Shah. It was an immensely popular revolution that took the British and Americans by surprise.

Foreign journalists in Kabul, reported The New York Times, were surprised to find that “nearly every Afghan they interviewed said [they were] delighted with the coup.” The Wall Street Journal reported that “150,000 persons … marched to honor the new flag … the participants appeared genuinely enthusiastic.”

The Washington Post reported that “Afghan loyalty to the government can scarcely be questioned.” Secular, modernist and, to a considerable degree, socialist, the government declared a program of visionary reforms that included equal rights for women and minorities. Political prisoners were freed and police files publicly burned.

Under the monarchy, life expectancy was 35; 1-in-3 children died in infancy. Ninety percent of the population was illiterate. The new government introduced free medical care. A mass literacy campaign was launched.

For women, the gains had no precedent; by the late 1980s, half the university students were women, and women made up 40 percent of Afghanistan’s doctors, 70 percent of its teachers and 30 percent of its civil servants.

So radical were the changes that they remain vivid in the memories of those who benefited. Saira Noorani, a female surgeon who fled Afghanistan in 2001, recalled:

“Every girl could go to high school and university. We could go where we wanted and wear what we liked … We used to go to cafes and the cinema to see the latest Indian films on a Friday … it all started to go wrong when the mujahedin started winning … these were the people the West supported.”"

The "mujahedin" in that last sentence being the Wahhabi extremists recruited, radicalized, funded, and armed by the US and UK (CIA and MI6). The Anglo-American empire's operatives manipulated and exploited Islam to produce a virulent extremist strain with which they deliberately infected Afghanistan - and subsequently other targeted countries, ex. Chechnya/Libya/Iraq/Syria/Yemen/Xinjiang - to the great detriment of millions of women and little girls.

Its Western media operatives first celebrated those extremists as "freedom fighters" when that suited their needs, then switched to deliberately referring to those relatively few Wahhabi extremists inaccurately as "Islamic extremists" in recent decades in order to smear Islam in general, the better to justify attacking and destroying the governments targeted in "7 countries in 5 years."

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 26 2021 17:31 utc | 34

karlof1 @ 14, the Taliban are not saying Bin Laden wasn't guilty. Perhaps he was. The request was made by them to the United States back before the invasion of Afghanistan that proof of Bin Laden's complicity be given to them. It wasn't. To say there is no proof is not to say that he was innocent. It's just 'innocent till proven guilty' which never happened. They are not 'creating' a counter narrative -- the narrative has been there all along. And it goes to the heart of the question of justice which Bush had answered 'my way is the only way'. An answer which Biden repeats when he says 'we got him.'

Yes, we got him; we lynched him. And the Pakistanis learned to distrust those who come proffering vaccines. Remember that?

Posted by: juliania | Aug 26 2021 17:32 utc | 35

@juliania | Aug 26 2021 17:32 utc | 35

Before 9/11, Osama bin Laden and his fundamentalist friends in the Taliban were hailed as heroes by the West for their anti-Communist credentials. Here’s an article from 1993 showcasing this “anti-Soviet warrior.”

https://twitter.com/cj_atkins/status/1428043279959011337

Claiming that Bin Laden had anything to do with 911 is nonsense.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 17:42 utc | 36

Posted by: Mina | Aug 26 2021 16:34 utc | 12

'Why CIA rather than UAE? In Libya, Syria and Yemen, some of the bloodiest attacks on crowds were made by unidentified planes which some have said might have been UAE.'

The UAE is just a 'Globalist' corporate state. In the context to which you refer, CIA and UAE are synonymous.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 26 2021 17:45 utc | 37

juliania @35--

Thanks for your reply! But with all due respect, that counter-narrative has never been published by what could be called a "serious" media outlet until today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2021 17:47 utc | 38

@ ph #2
This is a feature b, not a bug. Stability is not in the best interest of empire.

Yes, the only way Afghanistan would receive US support is if it has problems with with China (and Iran), as with Vietnam, which has attracted US officials stumbling to visit Vietnam (VP Harris now, SecDef Austin last month, etc.). Otherwise Afghanistan is bad which as ph says is a feature. The U.S. security state must have enemies in as many areas as possible.

BTW: Four U.S. Marines were killed and three were wounded in an explosion at the Kabul airport today.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2021 17:48 utc | 39

If I am not mistaken, Biden said earlier that there would be consequences for attacking the US while they were evacuating. And he warned about "ISIS K" about the same time.

The plot was pretty clear.

So now the war "must" go on.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 17:53 utc | 40

Here's an aerial photo of Kabul Airport area.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2021 17:54 utc | 41

The Saker on Unz Review

"All the US “country-building exercises”, “humanitarian interventions” and other “freedom of something [fill the blank here] defense” truly are: the acts of an international conspiracy of thugs to seize the resources of our entire planet or, failing that, at the very least, destroying any country, nation, tribe or leader that would dare disobey the World Hegemon. (“We will destroy your country and bring it back to the stone age” is how Secretary Baker famously put it to Foreign Minister Aziz)"

https://www.unz.com/tsaker/will-afghanistan-turn-out-to-be-us-imperialisms-last-gleaming/

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 26 2021 17:54 utc | 42

If four American soldiers really are dead (and others wounded) then I want to know what heads will roll at Dept of Defense and Dept. of State.

There are thousands of Afghans desperately trying to leave the country. None of them could be pressed into service so the risk to American soldiers is minimized?

This whole thing reeks.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 17:56 utc | 43

I watched both Tucker and Hannity yesterday for the first time on my life. I have never seen such great acting. I mean old Oliver North, telling Hannity US must invade Afghanistan? WTF?!

Even Pence got into the act, and what he essentially said was the truth. Biden is sowing chaos in Afghanistan.

LET'S ONCE again make a few things clear: USA WANTS chaos and problems in Afghanistan. The more chaos and problems in Afghanistan, the better. Why is this so hard to understand? make Afghanistan a failed state and CHina will not be able to use it for BRI. It's ALL about containing China.

People who have never lived in USA and around the world underestimate just how nasty and diabolic the Americans truly are.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Aug 26 2021 17:58 utc | 44

The Neocons never sleep https://www.wsj.com/articles/taliban-takeover-is-a-boon-for-cash-strapped-iran-11629904448
Standard recipe for making Iran look evil for doing something perfectly normal, and actually good.

WSJ spin: Iranians are enriching themselves at our expense. They are conducting business directly w/the Taliban.
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Sane view: Neighboring countries are typically your biggest trading partners. Selling your neighbor oil, as opposes to bombing them, is good. The Afghans sill need oil and food. And the kicker, Iran was already doing this under 'our supervision' and only temporarily stopped for about a month because of the recent fighting.
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The WSJ and the entire Cabal of Neocons is demented.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 26 2021 18:00 utc | 45

Pepe Escobar - three hours ago

KABUL BOMBING UPDATE

It was Zabihullah Mujahid, the Taliban Minister of Information in Kabul, who's talking to the media virtually everyday, that warned NATO about an imminent ISIS-K suicide bombing - and now, it seems, according to their procedure, double bombing.

Taliban intel is on a do-or-die fight against ISIS-K.

NEVER FORGET that ISIS-K has become much more powerful in Afghanistan these past few months because, among other things, a transportation rat line from Idlib, facilitated by...guess who?

Never forget the name of the entity in question: Empire of CHAOS.

Chaos em Kabul suits only one player. And just like clockwork, it's already being spun; the Taliban "are not capable" of providing security.

The post also has a bloody aftermath video.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 26 2021 18:04 utc | 46

The good old method of the civil war seems to be the last floor of the empire ... they want to divide the country and interrupt the China-Iran corridor.

Posted by: LuBa | Aug 26 2021 18:06 utc | 47

@ PK 46
Pepe gets rolled, again.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2021 18:08 utc | 48

Further to the DW/Merkel link in b's analysis, tonight's DW broadcast contained street interviews with several German Citizens who REALLY want to know WTF was Germany doing in the AfPak debacle for 20 years?!!

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 26 2021 18:08 utc | 49


What will be the counter move from Taliban on this entire mess?

Whether or not this was a FF operation, the rhetorical consequences are the same. QuiBono in this case clearly is the Hegemon.

Taliban has to increase perimeter security and steadily tightening it as the next 5 days unfold. I think they have underestimated the zeal and cunning of the Western coalition. If they indeed will let Turkey in there, it will be a deal they won't recover from.

The best thing now is to tighten the grip; move more military assets into Kabul and brace for more pain. It is better than a prolonged torturous Via dolorosa into a proxy-war.

Posted by: Harald | Aug 26 2021 18:09 utc | 50

@Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 17:56 utc | 43

If four American soldiers really are dead (and others wounded) then I want to know what heads will roll at Dept of Defense and Dept. of State.
Same modus as "Maidan" in Ukraine, kill people on both sides to create eternal chaos. The people behind this do not want to let go of the money machine called the "Afghanistan War".

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 18:11 utc | 51

Blue Dotterel @30 and @42, agreed and thanks for the link!

As Saker writes:

"The US was founded by and for thugs. Calling them explorers, immigrants, robber-barons or founding fathers makes no difference to their true worldview, their ethos – the seizure of the North American continent was an act of international thuggery on every level."

The UKUSA yakuza is a mafia crime syndicate plundering, looting, raping, exploiting, pimping, thugging, protection racketeering, and extorting. All sold as a noble enterprise via its illusion-weaving Goebbels-like "Great Wurlitzer" propaganda/PR/media machine.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 26 2021 18:11 utc | 52

Biden's blunders and shameless Trumper opportunism

1. There was no 'rush' to abandon Bagram, that was set in motion by Doha in 2/2020 and it was occupied by the Afghan army before the Taliban captured it.

2. Biden's blunder - he did not start evacuating civilians precisely because that would undermine the confidence in the Afghan govt / army. All of this happy talk about the strenght of the Afghan army/govt was always delusional. He should have systematically had U.S. forces visit the provinces. We plenty of time to do this.
Biden: military left before civilians - this was backwards.

3. Republican opportunism. The weaponry we 'gave' to the Taliban came from the Afghan govt. What would Trump have done, taken it back or destroyed it as we left? Now that would have gutted the Afghan army. This is a shameless talking point by Republicans.

Maybe the Taliban can finally give us an accurate inventory of what is over there if we ask them really, really nice and free up some of their funds.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 26 2021 18:13 utc | 53

Pentagon statement with comments here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2021 18:17 utc | 54

@9 juliania

I guess we'll see.

If the election were this year I would say it would be an equal top issue. But I think the mythical swing voters in the US really do have a short memory.

I am also assuming, maybe too pessimistically, that Covid and related policies will still have an impact the year after next, while Afghanistan will be in the rear view mirror.

Posted by: ptb | Aug 26 2021 18:19 utc | 55

Apparently, 10 US Marines dead
https://twitter.com/EdwardLawrence/status/1430954529449775105

Did anyone bother to count Afghan victims? For sure that must be important for the woke US military?

This looks to be the long awaited plot to replace Biden.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 18:22 utc | 56

The US departure from Afghanistan was to occur in fourteen months, headed recently by a Secretary of Defense who was hired in January for his skill in departing Iraq years ago (per the president). Now (seven months later) it's stretched to eighteen months, and is totally chaotic. The SecDef hasn't said much about it, which is a good thing because he's as dumb as a fence-post (not unusual for generals).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2021 18:28 utc | 57

"The last report I saw dealing with global opinion about 911 was that a majority didn't believe the Empire's conspiracy theory thanks mainly to the many other BigLies it's told since then as well as the belated truths about Serbia." - karlof1 @ 14

Well it's much more than that sir. Unless someone wants to do an Alex Jones and say these were method actors, dozens of police, firemen and news outlets reported explosions (like demolition) occuring when the towers fell.

The lobby was destroyed by explosion prior to one tower falling. And of course the demo of the CIA building is undeniable.

I've never liked this theory as it doesn't explain a number of things but they could be explained easily enough. In either case these initial on the scene reports must themselves be explained.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 26 2021 18:29 utc | 58


Reports of 4th explosion @ Kabul Airport.

Disturbing pictures emerge with reports of more than 40 dead and 120+ injured.

Posted by: Afgun | Aug 26 2021 18:33 utc | 59

The US might as well put a big bow on Afghanistan and tell China "It's all yours". By the US and its lackeys withholding money it makes it so easy for China to waltz in with it's "win-win" strategy and take over. The US's idea of bombing from afar will be toast.

Posted by: Arlo | Aug 26 2021 18:37 utc | 60

Update: 11 US Marines / 1 Navy Medic Killed in Terror Attack

Before update by Afgun

Posted by: Oui | Aug 26 2021 18:38 utc | 61

muradgazdiev
Taliban vehicle hitting an improvised explosive device in central Kabul

Posted by: Oui | Aug 26 2021 18:52 utc | 62

RE: “Posted by b on August 26, 2021 at 15:21 UTC | Permalink

“The U.S. has blocked the Afghan central bank accounts with the Fed and ordered the IMF and the World Bank to not provide money to Afghanistan. That is huge leverage. “

Leverage is hope of the initiator rendered as attempt not achievement.

“The U.S. could have used that leverage in a positive sense to organize “

Perhaps a better course is not to attempt to use “leverage” but likely such course is not in the “playbook” or deemed a “plausible belief” ?

“It is in its best interest to have good relations with the Taliban. “

But some who have some agency don't agree.

“ it is in 'western' interest to keep Afghanistan peaceful and united. “

The Taliban have just fought for 40 years with an intermission to make Afghan interests primary, and even some of the Taliban remember the last 50 years.

“Withholding money does not create long term leverage. “

You are mistaken, it facilitates opportunities for others whose activities are interpreted as leverage.

“Leverage is to use money to reward good behavior. “

That's not leverage that's blackmail – the “American way”.

“ igniting a new civil war as some Republican demands “

without considering possible locations.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 26 2021 18:56 utc | 63

Apparently five explosions! What is going on?
Meanwhile, two new explosions have just been reported per Al Arabiya, bringing the total number to five.

Two new explosions just now in #Kabul. https://t.co/8CpXtJ6cLJ
from Zero hedge
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-allies-halt-evacuations-kabul-airport-over-another-imminent-isis-threat

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 26 2021 19:02 utc | 64

First the good news. Unfortunately, it also needs to be confirmed officially.

Iran-Taliban

"Taliban re-opens Helmand River to drought-affected Eastern Iran. The US had built dams and pushed its Afghan allies to cut off water supply to Iran's impoverished SIstan & Baluchistan. A remarkable development.

The Taliban has allowed Helmand River to once more flow into Iran’s parched Sistan and Baluchestan province, providing water to over one million Iranians, according to Kuwaiti media outlet Al-Jarida.

According to the report, the gates of Kamal Khan Dam were opened as part of an agreement between the Taliban and Iran which also saw the Islamic Republic resume fuel exports to Afghanistan on 23 August.

Kamal Khan Dam was inaugurated in March of this year by exiled Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who declared that Afghanistan would no longer give away free water to anyone and if they wanted it, Iran needed to provide fuel to Afghans in exchange."


Good neighbourly news if confirmed.

*****

Saudi Arabia-Taliban
"The Taliban has rid itself of the Saudi yoke and has renounced the Wahhabi faith that was sought to be imposed on their regime in the 1990s. In recent years, Taliban delegations altogether stopped visiting Saudi Arabia."

Note that the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken put through a call to his Saudi counterpart Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, within 72 hours after the Kabul takeover.

******

Turkey.
Expect the US to try to use this card as a "joker".
1) As the "Keeper" of Kabul airport (The Taliban have been asked for their help in running the technical side of the evacuation.)
2) As Turkey has inherited from Uzbekistan the mentorship of the ethnic Uzbek interests in the Amu Darya region. Watch out for General Dostum who is a Turkish "Intelligence asset" dating back to the second half of the 1990s.

******

India is claiming they have a base in Tajikstan, "Gisser Airfield". (Suppliers for the Northern numbskulls?) They are anti-Taliban to negate the Pakistanis being pro-Taliban.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 26 2021 19:04 utc | 65

RE: Posted by b on August 26, 2021 at 15:21 UTC | Permalink

“The whole evacuation panic was and is, in my view, totally unnecessary. “

That hypothesis was tested on 25th August 2021 with a small sample of over 500 citizens of the former Soviet Union.

The hypothesis was evaluayed as correct within paraameters, but a caution was lodged on upscaling in present circumstances, which subject to mutual agreement may prove more plausible from 1st September 2021.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 26 2021 19:10 utc | 66

Why are people saying the tip off means the Western governments orchestrated this attack? What else would they do with a tip off if not air it publicly so people stop running to the airport?

Posted by: Me2 | Aug 26 2021 19:11 utc | 67

New tweet from SecDef w/o specifics and a standard "honor" BS closure: ". .we will not be dissuaded from the task at hand. To do anything less -- especially now -- would dishonor the purpose and sacrifice these men and women have rendered our country and the people of Afghanistan." . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2021 19:17 utc | 68

thanks b... very predictable....

i want to take up minas question @12... i think the uae or ksa are just as likely to be involved in this... ksa is still working for cia with the rat line they had going from idlib to afganistan... the fact is this serves usa's malignant interests, and maybe these other ideologues - uae and ksa.... that is my take...

usa offering financial sanctions and etc here sounds totally typical and predictable too.... there is no hope for these bloodsuckers...

@ 35 juliania... thanks for articulating that... fact is no proof has ever been offered on the theories that the usa gives for going to war, whether it be osama bin laden, 911 bullshit, saddams wmds, assads chemical weapons and on and on the list goes.. never will the usa offer anything solid.. they only offer bullshit and so many accept their bullshit without question... fortunately most at moa don't accept the bullshit..

Posted by: james | Aug 26 2021 19:18 utc | 69

America might opportunistically seize upon these bombings as a pretext to continue its colonial occupation of Afghanistan, if not deploy even more US stormtroopers there--in order to "fight terrorism."

At the very least, the bombings could be an American scorched earth policy, whereby the USA deliberately destabilizes a nation that it is getting driven out of--as a sick "parting gift."

After all, the 2-decades long War on Terrorism (aka the War for Global American Domination) itself is the United States of America's ultimate Goesbbelian lie (right after American "Freedom and Democracy"). It is the Lie of the 21st-Century.

This war on terrorism is bogus
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq

And if ISIS/Daesh is behind these bombings, one should remember what Hamid Karzai said:

Former Afghan President Karzai Calls Islamic State 'Tool' of US
https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/former-afghan-president-karzai-calls-islamic-state-tool-us

Even America's former puppet president of Afghanistan is calling out American state sponsorship of the very same terrorist groups (ISIS, Al-Queda) that the USA claims to be fighting.


Posted by: ak74 | Aug 26 2021 19:19 utc | 70

@ 68 don bacon.. the same tired drivel coming from usa spokespeople is completely predictable and packed full of the same shit every time... nothing changes..

Posted by: james | Aug 26 2021 19:20 utc | 71

@ Oui 61
confirmation from Stripes. . .
12 U.S. service members killed, 15 wounded in attack on Kabul airport . . here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2021 19:22 utc | 72

According to Reuters, 12 US boots killed. Brit's doing their bit to keep US in Afghanistan?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 19:25 utc | 73

What is the name of the US officer in charge at Kabul Airport?

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 19:30 utc | 74

Jackrabbit -- " ... There's a grandfather of a future Canadian deputy-PM in there somewhere"

Freedland -- foremost Russophobe -- the Canadian queen of the 'We're 100% with you' US fellators.

Posted by: chet380 | Aug 26 2021 19:30 utc | 75

@67 'Why are people saying the tip off means the Western governments orchestrated this attack?'

Wrong question to ask here. Western governments orchestrate everything.

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 19:47 utc | 76

Military flights over Afghanistan just stopped showing up on flightradar24

A British RAF plane was circling east of Kabul, but didn't land. It was returning from where it came (south) when all the planes went "dark" on flightradar24

https://www.flightradar24.com/32.45,64.54/6

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 19:53 utc | 77

The coordinated effort through the media, in the same line they are doing to demonize the non-vaccinated, has not been only in the Five Eyes countries, but also in their oclonies in the EU...what leads you t oguess who is behind this...

We have had breakfast at 7am these past two days with the highlighted news of a probable ISIS attack in Afghanistan...This, when so far you were having breakfast with the horrible situation in ICUs, increasing number in cases, and the necessity that increasinlgy more people gets vaccinated....

Obvioulsy, the people who hears the radio and watch TV hears ISIS and Afghanistan and they automatically think this is a thing of Talibans, especially after these past week they have protagonized some tieme in the news.
Simply, except in forums like this one, nobody amongst the average citizens is able to differentiate between one and the other, not less they are able to research to the point of knowing that ISIS is your new GLADIO..

Who highly likely are well aware are the "translators"...

The Taliban are quite busy negotiating a state pact for a peaceful future, inlcuding at Panjshir, plus already, without losing a minute, rebuilding infrastructure ( like rebullding and paving Kandahar-Kabul highway destroyed by the US...) and putting a end to eco-terrorist activities by the US ( like causing droughts by interrupting the flow of rivers so as to punish Iran....) for to be planning terrorist attacks, as Gen. MacMaster tries to convince the world is the case.

Too much for alleged nation-builders as they state some Afghan veterans, the facts on the terrain are that what the US did there was what it usually does everyhwere it goes, destroy infrastructure and send the country to the stone age or at least some decades behind...

https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1430836029909520391

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 26 2021 20:01 utc | 78

The Taliban seem to be most occupied since minute one of their take over in tranquuilizing the people and disipate fear ( which by thid date they for sure know is a weapon the US uses always on populations, including its own...) another fact that points to another actor.

Last intend, Taliban spox in official statement says the latest blasts heard in Kabul are from US military destroying its own equipment before leaving and so Kabul residents should not be worried. ..

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1430984933238099974

BTW, Twitter account linked above, making an extraordinary job informing from Afghan sources and Taliban ones, has been shadowbanned by Twitter with the warning which says he posts "delicate" content...There is nothing "delicate" in his twitts, always confirmed by images, videos, and so on..
As I have been posting several twits of him here in this forum, I am sure some troll reported him to Twitter...The guy is an expert on Afghnaistán having followed Taliban for the last decade...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 26 2021 20:16 utc | 79

Let's see, the shining member of the 3LA-club [CIA] takes over the Kabul airport and within hours, 12 American service members lie dead.

That's why JFK expressed the desire to tear the CIA into a thousand pieces shortly before he was gunned down by an unknown assailant; that agency is devoid of any semblance of patriotism, paired with a ruthless will to enact the agency's priorities above all else...including those serving American uniform.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 26 2021 20:20 utc | 80

I was expecting since minute one that the US will not leave without some fireworks, becuase people who do not know how to lose always reacts destroying...

I was guessing they will blow out the airport or something like that...well...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 26 2021 20:20 utc | 81

@76 Wrong question to ask here. Western governments orchestrate everything.


True. The anti-West bias here has muddled the critical thinking. Reminds me not to take sites like this too seriously when reading on current events - there's just too much emotional investment in some narratives.

Posted by: Me2 | Aug 26 2021 20:21 utc | 82

Hezbollah has said that the US airlifted ISIS fighters from Syria to Afghanistan.

Is this true?

What do we know about the IS group in Afghanistan?

Is it a tool of some faction of US intelligence? Why did the US bomb it at some points? What is its relationship with the Taliban? Is it even real?

We need more real info.

Posted by: Prof | Aug 26 2021 20:28 utc | 83

@82 I have no idea who or what caused the explosions. I expect you noticed how the rush to blame the CIA slowed down a bit after the US casualties were announced. If it was the CIA they are either getting a little sloppy or US troops are now fair game.

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 20:30 utc | 84

Now. Who will the Taliban turn to for help in their fight against the MI6 Islamists? Now that 12 marines had Covid related deaths. Oh they were vaccinated? Must have been shrapnel comorbidities.

Posted by: Jezabeel | Aug 26 2021 20:30 utc | 85

@Natsecjeff reports now, from TB sources, that NDS 01 Unit, linked to the CIA, is being evacuated and they are destroying equipment in the Kabul airport, hence the explosions being heard...

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1430986713334263811

There is much of bad taste and worse idea in keeping causing explosions in the hours after a terrorist attack. It is clear they give a damn for the tranquility of Kabul people, or any other people in the world, included their own...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 26 2021 20:31 utc | 86

82

Innocent until proven guilty? Too many times US has declared innocence until an event is mostly forgotten and then some records are declassified. Then there is the quite public stuff like Iraq WMD and little vials of powder at the UN. From records like operation northwood, that the joint chiefs of staff have the confidence to put a plan like that to the president is a good indication that killing a few of their own to incite war against a target country is not something that is frowned on. Best to Assume US is guilty until proven innocent.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 20:32 utc | 87

I wouldn't count too much on using the frozen funds for leverage. The Chinese would likely be more than happy to arrange a bridge loan. It would be chump change.

Posted by: ian | Aug 26 2021 20:36 utc | 88

Rumors that Biden will speak again half an hour from now (maybe that means 4 hours later...).

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 20:38 utc | 89

David G Horsman @58--

Thanks for your reply. I'm well aware of those statements. I was teaching at my college on 911 and immediately suspected a False Flag attack. I combined forces with numerous likeminded investigators, and we compiled a great deal of evidence for that explanation including twin motives. I taught my students to investigate and not to accept the BigLie Media & government Narrative/Conspiracy Theory. My position 20 years hence has changed very little aside from it becoming further confirmed. One big piece of evidence consists of the contemporary denials of the ability of the airplanes involved to be flown by wire which were soon disproven by the deployment of drones being flown in precisely that manner. Then of course, there're the dancing Zionists set up in perfect position to film it all who were arrested then released. The explosives were installed during Clinton's reign by a Saudi engineering firm and were a very specific to NATO type unobtainable by anyone else whose residues were found everywhere. Bush's immediate disposal of all evidence mirrors what happened in Dallas on 23 November 1963 when it was scrubbed. I could go on, but the above is enough.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2021 20:38 utc | 90

dh 84

Job quite likely to be outsourced to UK. UK always had its terror proxy head office in the same building as nusra leadership in Syria, so like the yanks they will have close ties to ISIS in Afghanistan. Like GHCQ coming up with the golden showers report to aid their friends in US when Trump usurped the throne.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 20:38 utc | 91

chet380 @Aug26 19:30 #75 "... grandfather of a future Candadian-PM in there somewhere."

That was roger roger @Aug26 17:25 #31.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 26 2021 20:41 utc | 92

Prof @83, regarding relationship with the Taliban, for what it's worth, from Biden:

Aug 20: "they are, by the way – to make everybody understand – that the ISIS in Afghanistan are the – have been the sworn enemy of the Taliban."
Aug 22: "I said on Friday, ISIS-K is a sworn enemy of the Taliban, and they have a history of fighting one another."
Aug 24: "a terrorist group known as ISIS-K, an ISIS affiliate in Afghanistan – which is the sworn enemy of the Taliban as well.".

The Wahhabi extremists, AQ/IS and all their derivatives, are all products and tools of the US, going back to this:

"On July 3, 1979, unknown to the American people and Congress, Carter authorized a $500 million “covert action” program to overthrow Afghanistan’s first secular, progressive government. This was code-named by the CIA Operation Cyclone.

The $500 million bought, bribed and armed a group of tribal and religious zealots known as the mujahedin. In his semi-official history, Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward wrote that the CIA spent $70 million on bribes alone. He describes a meeting between a CIA agent known as “Gary” and a warlord called Amniat-Melli:

“Gary placed a bundle of cash on the table: $500,000 in one-foot stacks of $100 bills. He believed it would be more impressive than the usual $200,000, the best way to say we’re here, we’re serious, here’s money, we know you need it … Gary would soon ask CIA headquarters for and receive $10 million in cash.”

Recruited from all over the Muslim world, America’s secret army was trained in camps in Pakistan run by Pakistani intelligence, the CIA and Britain’s MI6. Others were recruited at an Islamic College in Brooklyn, New York – within sight of the doomed Twin Towers. One of the recruits was a Saudi engineer called Osama bin Laden.

The aim was to spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and destabilize and eventually destroy the Soviet Union."

John Pilger: The Great Game of Smashing Nations
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/08/24/john-pilger-the-great-game-of-smashing-nations/

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Aug 26 2021 20:52 utc | 93

I have been all dayout, just read about the attack late in the evening while in the beach.

In these statements from 3 hours ago, TB spox claims the attack ( may be referring to the first one vindicated by ISKP..) took place in a zone of the airport whose security is under US responsability...

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1430944258878550028/photo/1

May be the bomber have disguised himself as translator...

As I see the TB spox talking in this statement about that "the Islamic Emirate strongly condemns the attack", I was thinking that between "Islamic Emirate", and "Islamic State" the difference for the Western audience may sound tiny and cause confussion....

Confussion that is being taken advantage by MacMasters of the world...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 26 2021 20:52 utc | 94

>>>"If four American soldiers really are dead (and others wounded) then I want to know what heads will roll at Dept of Defense and Dept. of State. - Jackrabbit"<<<

Hopefully none. Why should anyone resign. It's a rather difficult military operation. If we wanted zero deaths than we should not have gone into Afghanistan. It is completely unreasonable to expect zero deaths.

You have 10,000 people crowding the gates. We can't even find U.S. citizens or passport holders in that mass. It would be very easy to hide a few terrorist needles in that giant haystack. People in the U.S. got every jaded because we had an 18 mo ceasefire with the Taliban and somehow considered that normal.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 26 2021 20:53 utc | 95

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 26 2021 20:38 utc | 91

In the account @Natsecjeff, I am reading all the details about the different attacks come from UK defense source....Strange...
The Britons did not want to leave...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 26 2021 20:56 utc | 96

President Biden Delivers Remarks on the Terror Attack on Hamid Karzai International Airport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRxMiM17KJE

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 26 2021 20:57 utc | 97

Americans are now resorting to killing their own soldiers to stay in the war. Low blow.

When you think the USA reached rock bottom, it still find a way to dig deeper.

Posted by: vk | Aug 26 2021 20:58 utc | 98

Peter AU1 @91--

Hi Peter! Didn't take too long for the Terrorist Foreign Legion to be unleashed. They bomb, maim and kill the cannon fodder and their masters do the same to them. It's all spelled out in the terms of service, but the reward's handsome. To eliminate the Legion in Afghanistan, the Taliban will likely need some technical assistance from Russia/China. IMO, we should assume neighboring nations know what entity bears ultimate responsibility, won't be fooled by the bullshit produced for public consumption, and were actually in anticipation of such attacks. Employing plausible deniability is SOP for the Outlaw US Empire, an invention of the British; but again, cui bono gives the rat away.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2021 20:58 utc | 99

@91 I have no doubt there are some unscrupulous people in Western governments. The USS Maine incident in Havana harbour is a classic. I think the UK would be taking a big chance using ISIS to kill US troops in Kabul but who knows? Keep the speculation coming by all means but I'll wait for solid evidence.

Posted by: dh | Aug 26 2021 20:59 utc | 100

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