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August 20, 2021
Britain Wants A Rerun Of The War On Afghanistan

Immediately after the Taliban victory an enormous dis-information campaign was launched to again badmouth them.

There are now suddenly all kinds of allegations that the Taliban are doing this or that bad. These are mostly based on hearsay and no or very little evidence is presented. Don't believe them without direct confirmation from original sources.

The launch of Amrullah Saleh and Ahmed Massoud as leaders of a new resistance against the Taliban must have been long prepared. One does not get op-ed space in the Washington Post and several big European papers just some three days after Kabul falls without some lead time and without serious 'western' backing.

While Saleh is an old CIA spy Ahmed Massoud has been prepared by the Brits:

After finishing his secondary school education in Iran, Massoud spent a year on a military course at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst.In 2012, he commenced an undergraduate degree in War Studies at King's College London where he obtained his bachelor's degree in 2015. He obtained his master's degree in International Politics from City, University of London in 2016.

The type of disinformation campaign combined with the well prepared launch of the 'resistance campaign', allegedly with SAS trained Afghan soldiers, and the regional op-ed placements let me conclude that he is run by the Brits. They are quite excellent in their 'strategic communication' disinformation business.

The conservatives speaking in their special parliament session were also the most angry about the outcome of their imperial war on Afghanistan and about their own inability to stop its end while claiming to be a 'Global Britain'.

As Richard Murphey remarks on Withering Britain:

This then is a massive moment for the role of the US in the world. It does not create a vacuum, but the risk that one might follow – which China will all too willingly seek to fill – seems very real at present.

And where does Britain fit into this? In a sense it does not. The US did not consults us, and is still not apparently telling us what it is doing in Kabul. We were not a player. There was no special, relationship. Our opinion was not worth having. It did not matter to the US. The pretence is over.

With that the vestige of British power, built on the coat-tails of the 1940s and the mutually advantageous myths formed since then, has gone. We are now just a rather remote, small, and fairly insignificant state who is just one amongst many. The delusion that we are otherwise has to go.

But will the delusion disappear? Will we, with its demise, stop building aircraft carriers that were strategically useless decades before they were designed? Will we stop thinking ourselves exceptional? And will an England thwarted become ever more aggressive towards its last vestiges of empire – those states it subjects to its rule within the supposed United Kingdom, which increasingly feels anything but that?

These are big questions. Only time can provide the answers. But I have a feeling that everything has changed. The image of British power has withered away. If all involved now deal with the reality for the these islands and their future that might be for the better. If at the same time we stop hectoring and abusing the world and actually learn to live with and work alongside it, so much the better too. But will we do that? That’s anyone’s guess. The wise will hope that we do.

That hope is, see above, in vain.

Stories about alleged Taliban acts 'against Afghan women' will now again get special features. Women have been used to sell the long war on Afghanistan since its very beginning. But how many women were actually killed by Soviet, British and U.S. bombs during the war?

On the abuse of feminism to promote the never ending war on Afghanistan, the badmouthing of the Taliban please read the excellent piece Afghanistan: The End of the Occupation which was co-written by a female anthropologist who has done field work there.

Comments

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 21 2021 18:06 utc | 197

Do you have some examples of national leaders announcing that they were defeated?

The emperor of Japan in 1945

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 21 2021 19:30 utc | 201

I met many of these Mosssad, British and US of North A Agents while teaching in Irân, Afghanistân and Turkey, Many of the lower-rank interpretors end torturers committed scuiscides (or got scuiscided –what do I know? as it became clear what they hd done or assisted in. But what about the higher ranks, educated at Cambridge an Oxford to install the idea that they were inassailable? (Or at the Ontitute for African and Asian Studies or at likewise ´treining schools in imperialism in and around London?? Here in Norway , we have severak such cases, bith ingraines in “China studies” abd those having been retrained in Engkish imperiakism afte some years’ stints along th e Afghan-pakistani borders — even after several years hving neither deigned toøearn Perisian (Dâri). Ballutshi, Pashtun nor Pundjabi or Urdu — this must have been intentional,

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Aug 21 2021 20:10 utc | 202

I have to strongly disagree with Tom Pfotzer @149. There is no way that PotUS could trick the military command into evacuating a major air base overnight and on the sly. Quite the opposite. The lightning fast evacuation of Bagram was something that required 100% commitment from the military. There was no sandbagging or foot-dragging here. No slow walk. The military got the political OK to leave the base and hours later they were gone. Guaranteed that the political types were expecting the handover of the base to the former Afghan military to take weeks, if not months, and nobody was more surprised than Biden to wake up to find Bagram airbase empty. Just look at the cluster-phuque at Kabul airport to see real incompetence and sandbagging. There was none of that nonsense at Bagram, where the evacuation was slick, disciplined, orderly, efficient, and FAST. That cannot be forced onto the military against their will. If the military didn’t want to leave Bagram then they would drag their feet for weeks and months on end with gaming different plans and scenarios and documenting nuts and bolts and rolls of toilet paper that need to be moved and where and how they are to be loaded on various transport and so on. Such planning could literally take years if the military wants it to, but Bagram was emptied overnight. That means it was the will of the military that were were seeing in action, not the Biden administration.
Come on, man! Don’t you think they could have sandbagged Biden just as easily as they did Trump?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 21 2021 21:28 utc | 203

Tom Pfotzer @Aug21 18:34 #199
Tom: yes, mostly. Carter. Kennedy. Eisenhower. Nixon.
It’s strange how you ignore the more recent Presidents.

  • Reagan: said to have snitched on his Hollywood acquaintances during the McCarthy years. Likely an FBI ‘asset’.
  • Bush Sr.: former CIA Director, possibly involved in the plot to kill Kennedy.
  • Clinton: who allowed CIA drug flights to his State.
  • GWBush: son of Bush Sr.
  • Obama: grandfather in OSS; mother said to be CIA.
  • Trump: allowed FBI counter-inteligence agent to work for him. Friend of Bill and Hillary.
  • Biden: a dyed-in-the-wool Deep-State ‘team player’ like Hillary; Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Cmtte, then VP, now POTUS.

Kennedy may have been the last real President (someone not per-selected and with the gumption to make his own policy).
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Tom: Sanders not so much.
Sanders was identified as a sheepdog by Black Agenda Report soon after he entered the Democratic Primary.
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Tom: Did China change course on any subject due to Kissinger’s visit? If so, I didn’t notice it. And Kissinger holds no cards, and the reason for that is because he helped to gut the U.S.’ economy. Hoisted on his own petard. He and his gang were totally outmaneuvered by China.
Now you’re raising the bar, pretending that Kissinger has no influence if he can’t force change. Perhaps you can explain why this irrelevant old has-been gets an audience with Xi?
And you’re re-writing history. Kissinger helped USA to out-maneuver Russia during the Cold War against Russia. China benefited, sure; but I have little doubt that they had plans to limit China’s ability to become a rival.
IMO USA expected Russia to capitulate in the 1990’s and join the West. That would’ve isolated China. But the Empire asshats cruel ‘Shock Therapy’ made an enemy of Russia while at the same time, the asshats turned their attention to the Middle East.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 22 2021 0:07 utc | 204

I will rule the world,after tea

Posted by: mcohen | Aug 22 2021 0:18 utc | 205

@204 JackRabbit
Interleaved below. Hopefully, you’ll circle back and see this, since you made the effort to lay out that lambasting.
🙂
…It’s strange how you ignore the more recent Presidents.
Tom: I ignored them because they didn’t make my list of presidents that weren’t totally co-opted by the elites that operate the country from behind the Oz curtain. I should have added President Carter, because I think he went off the reservation a time or two.
…Sanders was identified as a sheepdog by Black Agenda Report soon after he entered the Democratic Primary.
Tom: Doesn’t matter that much where and how he’s pigeon-holed or labelled, JackRabbit. I’m noticing that he moved the Overton window re: socialism. If Oz used him as a sheepdog, he may have extracted his due.
…Now you’re raising the bar, pretending that Kissinger has no influence if he can’t force change.
Tom: that is a fair criticism. My counter is that Kissinger got sent as an emissary because he may well be remembered fondly by the Chinese, for good and maybe not great reasons from the perspective of our country’s long-term interests. There’s no question he has influence, or, as you point out, he wouldn’t have been received by Xi.
How much influence is also a fair question. Do you agree that “how much” wasn’t “a lot”?
…And you’re re-writing history. Kissinger helped USA to out-maneuver Russia during the Cold War against Russia.
Tom: Fair point. He surely did. How good at chess was he, in retrospect? Kissinger was good as a diplomat. He was not, is not, and won’t be good at economic policy. And in the end, JackRabbit, economic policy is the trump card. (note to myself, right before posting: cultural policy, actually, may be even more important)
…China benefited, sure; but I have little doubt that they had plans to limit China’s ability to become a rival.
Tom: I have no doubt whatsoever that “they had plans to limit China”. Nor do I doubt that China had “no plans to be limited”. Kissinger set himself out as a scholar of history, as someone that knew the Chinese mind.
Well? How good a scholar was he, actually? A fair bit of what China did was right out of Sun Tzu. Warcraft 101.
For the benefit of other readers, as I’m sure you know this already JackRabbit, China presided over the most immense transfer of wealth, capacity and technology in all history, all without firing a single shot. We _shipped_ it to them. Kissinger & cabal front-and-center. Two double-handfuls of T-bills in return.
Mull that over for a while, all you elites. We’re supposed to revere you, correct?
…IMO USA expected Russia to capitulate in the 1990’s and join the West.
Tom: No doubt. How in the devil could they have anticipated Putin after Yelsin? That surprised the hell out of everyone, me included. Never thought that would happen. Russians deserve immense credit for their recovery.
…But the Empire asshats cruel ‘Shock Therapy’ made an enemy of Russia while at the same time, the asshats turned their attention to the Middle East.
Tom: Anndddd…that would have been right about the time the NeoCons showed up, right? We are _such_ suckers.
Who was it looted Russia?
JackRabbit, the reason I got involved in all this intn’l fuss is because I believe that the U.S. took a bad track with the repress-others strategy, when we should have pursued the “build us” track.
We’re clever enough to screw others up, and too stupid not to.
We define our foreign policy in terms of “what we did /could have done to them”. It’s a guess, but I think Russia and China probably view themselves as “What we did to build us”.
Yes, indeed I am being unfair by second-guessing in retrospect. Any child can do that.
But now – now we all have the benefit of that hindsight. I’m hoping that someone in Oz is using the feedback, latest being Afghanistan.
“Some of the best feedback you’ll ever get, Tom, comes in packages that ain’t no fun to open”.
I’ll close by thanking you for the exchange, JackRabbit. You made me think, and contest my own ideas.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 22 2021 3:01 utc | 206

@149 Tom Pfotzer
Just a clean-up to respond to your query – what was my objection to your comment @76 (now 77)?
I can only be sketchy because a lot of water under the bridge since, but it seems that your sense of the President having agency in this Afghanistan affair is where I differ. I don’t think he has, not this particular one, not with his clinically demented condition. And so, deducing anything from that premise will be inaccurate.
However, I say it does no harm to let this view of the situation run. I think it runs into a dead end, because no one in the US, and no institution or force, has any agency in the affair any longer – in my view.
Everything we see from the US is domestic wrangling, and unimportant in the affair.
As vk points out upthread, the US lost. Everything now is talk to cover bets and secure positions, and ideally to find scapegoats. Whole lot of jockeying going on, nothing that matters.
If my perspective proves wrong, and your perspective shows power yet in the old dead empire and its even more dead emperor, then I have to shift a large number of inferences. So it’s important that your speculation run, but I don’t believe we will see it to be real.
Or something like that – please forgive the imprecision. I owed you an answer but time is short – by all means if we want to structure this into a discussion of what agency in the Afghanistan play the US actually wields or has wielded during the changeover, I would be pleased to join in. I think William Gruff @203 says a lot to this however, and I agree with him.
Hope this answers a bit.
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By the way, in this fiasco the thought did occur that maybe Biden was chosen precisely to be a sacrificial lamb. It astonished me that he was being savaged in the media and by politicos for the “loss” of Afghanistan, but I don’t follow those incestuous spats.
So, if they can turn on Biden that easily, maybe he would be good to be a scapegoat for a number of sins?
I don’t know if anyone planned this – as if they knew they had to abandon the Afghan caper, and chose Joe to be the fall guy for it – but if they didn’t, maybe it now occurs to them? And if this occurs to them, why not have him be the fall guy for many more things? Why not crash the whole economy, or do some other terrible thing that is waiting in the wings anyway, and just have Joe swing for it?
Might as well be hung for stealing a sheep as a lamb.
Scary thought.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 22 2021 5:31 utc | 207

@ Grieved | Aug 22 2021 5:31 utc | 207 who wrote about Biden

Why not crash the whole economy, or do some other terrible thing that is waiting in the wings anyway, and just have Joe swing for it?

How better to set up Americans to have a Depression level economic crash and when the question of nationalizing finance comes up the Harris/Biden team will be sold as worse than what we have now….
The American public is on the hook for the coming private banking derivative losses and seeing how hypnotized American zombies are about Covid I expect the global private finance elite will get away with hanging extreme debt on the American public and only be put down from external forces…..sigh

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 22 2021 5:46 utc | 208

Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/ טלפ וש | #202

I met many of these Mosssad, British and US of North A Agents while teaching in Irân, Afghanistân and Turkey, Many of the lower-rank interpretors end torturers committed scuiscides (or got scuiscided –what do I know? as it became clear what they hd done or assisted in. But what about the higher ranks, educated at Cambridge an Oxford to install the idea that they were inassailable? (Or at the Ontitute for African and Asian Studies or at likewise ´treining schools in imperialism in and around London?? Here in Norway , we have severak such cases, bith ingraines in “China studies” abd those having been retrained in Engkish imperiakism afte some years’ stints along th e Afghan-pakistani borders — even after several years hving neither deigned toøearn Perisian (Dâri). Ballutshi, Pashtun nor Pundjabi or Urdu — this must have been intentional,

Thank you for that post. I find it difficult to believe that after several years immersion in the communities those people failed to learn those languages. Are they particularly stupid or just not making it obvious to you?
Also your moniker has some hidden active html embedded in it as it doesn’t appreciate being edited.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2021 5:53 utc | 209

RE: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 22 2021 3:01 utc | 206
“IMO USA expected Russia to capitulate in the 1990’s and join the West. “
Hopes are always useful vectors of transcendence, particularly when hopes are “encouraged” by those experienced in construction of Potemkin villages, whilst the audience believe themselves to be exceptional surveyors.
NYT: Afghanistan a US ‘Neocolonialist’ War
In times of trouble opponents attempt to deflect to protect what they perceive as “the core” through “reform” – oscillations within acceptable tolerances, with a side dish of “expendables” and “evil do-ers”.
This was the purpose of the useful fools in “The Soviet Union” including Mr. Gorbachov and his associates.
This has been the resort visited elsewhere by tourists since at least 1620 – an indicator that “the core” perceives “times of trouble and opportunities”, the purposes of which are speculated upon by others, there by re-iterating/self-enforcing some others’ continuing complicity in “protection of the core” in furtherance of their assigned role as food sources and protective shields – another illustration of “drone warfare”.
Thank you for your further illustrations of the above.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 22 2021 9:21 utc | 210

Two important voices in the UK military who say it is time to give room to the Taliban:
https://news.sky.com/story/afghanistan-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-backs-uk-armed-forces-chief-general-sir-nick-carter-over-taliban-has-changed-remarks-12385054
After all, the priority is to keep China out.
And it’s not that the US betrayed NATO since Afghanistan is hardly NATO core task.
There is a lot of room for different interpretations of the withdrawal. We’re in a stage where the players aren’t sure yet of what the new propagandalines will be.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 22 2021 10:34 utc | 211

After all, the priority is to keep China out.
Yep, even Fox and Friends have picked up that story line now. But the main thrust in US MSM is that Biden is bad. Even the fact that he has to stay in the White House now instead of vacationing at home, apparently because he knows he really screwed up. Those same talking heads were oddly silent when Trump was playing golf every day.
I could only get BBC international for the last week and those folks are perhaps more hysterical than Fox. I keep shaking my head trying to understand where they are going with it.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 22 2021 13:56 utc | 212

Tom Pfotzer @Aug22 3:01 #206
I ignored them because they didn’t make my list my list of presidents that weren’t totally co-opted by the elites that operate the country from behind the Oz curtain.
I think you should re-think this. What are you’re criteria for “totally co-opted”?
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[Sanders:] I’m noticing that he moved the Overton window re: socialism.
Circle back to discussion of divide and conquer. Both the left and right windows were widened. And both left and right were driven into a brick wall by their respective faux populist hero.
This was a smart strategy. You don’t defeat discontent by ignoring it, you defeat it by making a mockery of it.
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[Kissinger:] Do you agree that “how much” wasn’t “a lot”?
I think you are judging him by the wrong metric. Kissinger is not the one that pulls the strings. He is listened to by those who do.
Publicly, Kissinger pretends to mediate (he did so during the in 2014 when he called for each side to accept the “least worse” outcome and he does today with his cautionary words about China.
Privately he provides assessments that US power-elite trust.
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… I believe that the U.S. took a bad track with the repress-others strategy, when we should have pursued the “build us” track.
I agree with this while I also can see the strategy involved wrt China: developing China markets and a Chinese financial elite to compromise China. The problem was that it got out of hand. Even when China was clearly resisting being compromised, it continued. Because it was so profitable.
(PS Kissinger was no responsible for the bulk of this irresponsible policy.)
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I should add that I’m no fan of Kissinger but watching him gives some degree of insight into what TPTB have done / will do.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 22 2021 14:03 utc | 213

Grieved @207: “…the thought did occur that maybe Biden was chosen precisely to be a sacrificial lamb.”
Biden was chosen in panic and desperation as Team Blue came to realize that the liberal efforts at woke programming (in mass media – mostly entertainment – and in academia) were radically underperforming. They wrongly assumed that the reason the token “intersectional” candidates they were offering were being rejected by the primary voters was because of racism, misogyny, and homophobia. To compensate they needed a straight white guy that could plausibly (in their own flawed estimation) be cast as winner of the pre-fixed election. That the fix wasn’t enough and required last-minute “adjustments” is further evidence of how out of touch they are; underestimating how much Biden’s male whiteness would help, but that is an issue for another discussion.
The establishment turned on Biden because they couldn’t think of what else to do. Another one of their slam-dunk plans crashes and burns and they had no narratives prepared to cover it. They couldn’t blame it on Russia, even though Russia certainly was instrumental in the rapid Taliban success, because that would take weeks of seeding a convoluted narrative in the mass media. The Afghan puppet government’s collapse happened much too quickly for that.
You are correct that Biden is disposable, though. He was just a detour from the whole woke programming effort to atomize the population into competitive victimhood, so the quicker they can get back on track to a Black transgender something-or-another kind of figurehead the better.
As for taking this opportunity for crashing the economy because they have a convenient disposable figurehead? No way whatsoever! That would finish the empire all at once and hand global leadership over to China. Keep in mind that the oligarchy isn’t some vague and impersonal metaphysical entity, even if its actions make it appear that way. It is a collection of extraordinarily wealthy individuals who all want to grow their own personal wealth and power. The kind of crash that the economy is facing is not just a temporary downturn like a recession but a cataclysmic collapse and restructuring of global power dynamics. Thinking the oligarchy would voluntarily trigger something like that is thinking they would voluntarily close their eyes and jump into a void. They’ve been doing crazy risky stuff (MMT – running the printing presses, bioattacks) to try to avoid the Big Crash, and they are not trying to avoid it just because they don’t have someone else to blame.
Don’t worry, the imperial mass media will rehabilitate Biden once they have climbed down a rung from their current screeching hysteria.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 22 2021 14:39 utc | 214

Grieved @Aug22 5:31 #207

… maybe Biden was chosen precisely to be a sacrificial lamb…. maybe he would be good to be a scapegoat for a number of sins?

I think your intuition is exactly right.
All the problems of the new, ‘woke’ Left will be hung around Biden’s neck: weak on security (Afghanistan, Mexico border, BLM’s “defund the police”), weak on Covid (a new ‘wave’ from Delta); weak on economics (“irresponsible”, pork-laden Infrastructure Bill; an economic downturn during his watch), and every other failing that they can muster.
I expect Republicans to win the 2022 mid-terms and the 2024 Presidential election. To move the country to the right, they must first show us the horrors of the left.
But there’s another possibility that I don’t rule out (which has previously been discussed at moa): Biden is ousted via Article 25, Hillary becomes VP and then President in 2024. Hillary, as a self-described ‘progressive’, who is more right-wing than many Republicans, she will claim to unite America around a ‘sensible’ agenda.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 22 2021 16:15 utc | 215

“..But there’s another possibility that I don’t rule out (which has previously been discussed at moa): Biden is ousted via Article 25, Hillary becomes VP and then President in 2024. Hillary, as a self-described ‘progressive’, who is more right-wing than many Republicans, she will claim to unite America around a ‘sensible’ agenda…”
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 22 2021 16:15 utc | 215
What state of health is the hildebeast in? She didn’t look too strong in 2016. Replace a demented old male president with a demented old female one?

Posted by: tucenz | Aug 22 2021 19:59 utc | 216

dan of steele @212
“I could only get BBC international for the last week and those folks are perhaps more hysterical than Fox. I keep shaking my head trying to understand where they are going with it.”
Exactly, today the BBC brought Tony Blair who called Biden´s actions “imbecillic” – I kid you not. The same Blair who pushed for Iraq and for any other war…And he gets the platform, (but Assange is still in prison.)

Posted by: bystander04 | Aug 22 2021 21:56 utc | 217

Posted by:David G Horsman @ 119
I am glad you enjoyed the articles. You are right to notice the incompetence of the Australian leadership, however you are not the first to point to their incompetence. Author Donald Horne wrote a book about it in 1964, ‘The Lucky Country’:
When it was first published in 1964 The Lucky Country caused a sensation. Horne took Australian society to task for its philistinism, provincialism and dependence:’
Australia is a lucky country, run mainly by second-rate people who share its luck.’
https://www.penguin.com.au/books/the-lucky-country-9781742531571
Australian leadership has, sadly, deteriorated since 1964. Now it’s luck is running out, but you make your own luck.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 23 2021 9:07 utc | 218