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August 21, 2021

Afghanistan - The New 'Northern Alliance' Resistance Has Already Fallen Apart

Yesterday I explained why I assume that Britain is trying to incite a new 'Northern Alliance' insurgency against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

But as today evolved that project, just three days after it went public, is dead.

Yesterday the anti-Taliban Long War Journal claimed that the insurgents were already making progress:

The nascent resistance to the Taliban that has organized in Panjshir province has launched a counteroffensive against the Taliban and has taken control of four districts in two neighboring provinces.

The Panjshir resistance force, which is flying the flag of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, took control of Dih Saleh, Andarab, and Puli Hisar districts in eastern Baghlan province, as well as Charikar in Parwan. The resistance is led by former Vice President and National Directorate of Security chief Amrullah Saleh [See FDD’s Long War Journal report, After fall of Kabul, resistance to Taliban emerges in Panjshir].

Anti-Taliban fighters “captured those [four] key districts and are threatening the Taliban’s control of the highway to the north,” a source within the resistance told FDD’s Long War Journal. They also claimed to take “all of Andarab back.”

The news from Afghanistan about that fight was murky and difficult to confirm. It seems that the insurgents shortly occupied one district center while there was inconclusive fighting around two others. About a dozen Taliban were said to be dead together with a number of insurgents. I would not trust any 'source within the resistance'. The Saleh/Massoud gang is already known for making implausible and exaggerated claims:

Gareth Browne @BrowneGareth - 17:05 UTC · Aug 19, 2021
Just spoke with Ahmad Massoud in Panjshir. He says 000s of Afghan soldiers, special forces, and 47 pilots have taken refuge in the Panjshir valley since last week, bringing with them 000s of humvees, 4 helicopters. Calling for international support. Story soon @TheNationalNews

Still the LWJ authors were cautiously optimistic:

While the Panjshir resistance’s odds remain long, if it is able to open a lifeline to neighboring countries and receive international support, it stands a chance to not only divert and disrupt Taliban operations but create a groundswell of interest that could lead to a larger campaign with more sustainable momentum.

That a connection to a neighboring country would help the insurgents is, in my opinion, a misperception. Russia and China would come down hard on, for example Uzbekistan, if it would allow its border to be used to support the insurgency. Every neighbor country of Afghanistan now has an interest in a united Afghanistan at peace. That is why any insurgency against the Taliban will have no chance.

The Russian ambassador to Afghanistan agrees:

Russia's ambassador to Afghanistan praised the conduct of the Taliban on Friday in the days since its takeover, saying there was no alternative to the hardline Islamist group and resistance to it would fail.
...
Russia wants to ensure that the instability in Afghanistan does not spill over into Central Asia, part of the former Soviet Union it regards as its own backyard, and that the region does not become a launch pad for other extreme Islamist groups.
...
Speaking to Reuters from Kabul by Zoom, Zhirnov said the security situation in the capital was much better than it was before the Taliban took control of it and spoke optimistically about the future.

"The mood in Kabul can be described as one of cautious hope," said Zhirnov.

"There was a bad regime which disappeared and people are hopeful. They say it can’t be worse so it should be better. But this is another test for the Taliban to pass. After they restore order, they should start improving the socio-economic situation," he said.
...
"We can’t wave reality aside. They (the Taliban) are the de-facto authorities. There is no alternative to the Taliban in Afghanistan," said Zhirnov.

The son of Ahmad Shah Massoud, one of the main leaders of Afghanistan's anti-Soviet resistance in the 1980s, has pledged to hold out against the Taliban from his stronghold in the Panjshir valley north of Kabul.

Afghan First Vice President Amrullah Saleh has also said he is in Afghanistan and the "legitimate caretaker president" after President Ashraf Ghani fled.

Zhirnov said Saleh's declaration violated the constitution and that Panjshir-based attempts to resist the Taliban were doomed.

"They have no military prospects. There are not many people there. As far as we know they have 7,000 armed people. And they already have problems with fuel. They tried to fly a helicopter but they have no petrol and no supplies," he said.

The tribal elders in Panjshir valley agreed with the ambassador that further fighting would mean doom. A few hours ago Pajhwok News reported (machine translation):

Ahmad Shah Massoud's son gives Panjshir leaders a plan to resolve issues with Taliban

KABUL (Pajhwok): Ahmad Masood, the son of Ahmad Shah Massoud, has given a plan to the Panjsher elders to resolve issues with the Taliban, a source said on Sunday.

And therewith at least half of the the insurgency packed up and made peace.

Dr. Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai Kayani (Drexy Baba) @RisboLensky - 10:58 UTC · Aug 21, 2021

Reports that Massoud Jr. agreed not to attack #Taliban forces in #Panjshir surrounding after Abdi-Karzai mediation (possibly Rabbani and other Massoud's gave a nod too). But I think that in province Jamiat is not the only group present

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Paktﻯawal @Paktyaw4l - 11:12 UTC · Aug 21, 2021

There is disunity & verbal conflict between Amrullah Saleh factions & elders in Panjshir advising Massoud junior. #Panjshir

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• @QOMANDON - 12:14 UTC · Aug 21, 2021

Senior Taliban Commander Jalil Haqqani calls Ahmad Shah Massoud a martyr and hero, and announces that his son Ahmad Massoud gave bay’ah to the Taliban yesterday
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Will the Washington Post print another Ahmad Massoud op-ed in which he announces that?

Without the symbolic figure of Ahmad Shah Massoud's son as leader of a new 'Northern Alliance' the insurgency will have no chance to gain national or international support. He was the public relations front of the short campaign. But the elders of Panjshir valley told him to end the nonsense and so he did.

The intellectual fraudster Bernard Lévy, who has jinxed any resistance he ever supported, will be quite disappointed.


While its over for Ahmad Massoud his pal Amrullah Saleh wants to continue.

Paktﻯawal @Paktyaw4l - 13:36 UTC · Aug 21, 2021

Not fully confirmed, but #Panjshir surrenders, while Amrullah Saleh’s faction still preferring war & fighting.

Amrullah Saleh on his own has no chance at all. The CIA trained former head of the brutal Afghan intelligence agency is not known to have any genuine local base of support. The elders of Panjshir will not allow him to use their valley as his base. He'd better pack up his money and, like former president Ashraf Ghani, get his ass out of the country before someone takes personal revenge on him.

Apropos Ghani - this must hurt:

Sangar | سنګر پیکار @paykhar - 1:58 UTC · Aug 21, 2021

Former president #Afghan Ashraf Ghani's brother, Hashmat Ghani met Khalilurahman Haqqani and pledged allegiance to the Taliban Amir Haibatullah Akhundzada. Now the former presidents own brother is officially part of the Taliban.
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And while I am at it here is one more on the 'bad, bad anti-women Taliban' campaign. Yes, there will be restrictions for women. But these are workable and not too different from those elsewhere.

Omid Sobhani @OmidSobhni - 10:38 UTC · Aug 21, 2021

#Taliban Statement on #Herat University, #Afghanistan
1. Female students can continue their studies in all-female classes, considering Islamic Hijab
2. All male & female staff of university can resume their works
3. Male students can come with their previous outfits (anything)
4. There will be a discussion on the curriculum of some subjects such as ‘Law’ in the beginning of next semester.
5. An envoy of Emirate will be designated as director in each faculty. The rest of employees can continue their normal jobs.

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Gordog @82:

I certainly did, but I no longer expect you to understand things you read. Not even if you wrote them your self.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 22 2021 9:51 utc | 101

@93 TTG and Pat Lang are advocating this because they believe it is within the logistics capabilities of the US military to provide such covert aid. Which I am sure it is.

But it amounts to pleading for the USA to do this because it can, not because it should.
Neither can provide an adequate reason why it is a good idea. Mainly because it isn't.

From a diplomatic point of view the USA would come across as a bunch of very sore losers who can't take a hint (i.e. the speed with which your puppet regime collapsed shows that your influence is not wanted, does not help, and is ultimately pointless).

From a domestic political point of view this is crazy talk, precisely because what Joe Biden wants more than anything is for Afghanistan to disappear from the US media. Going gung-ho on covert aid to some wannabe hero is not the way to make this become yesterday's news.

How Lang and TTG can't see either of those points is, honestly, a display of astonishing tunnel-vision.

Here, a simple example: the North Vietnamese overthrew a puppet regime soon after the US military left. The optics of US helicopters taking off from Embassy grounds, panic-stricken quislings fleeing the country, everything just as we are seeing now.

Roll forward to the 21st century and Vietnam is just another country in South East Asia. Denang is a place where US Warships make port calls. Where US sailors go sightseeing. Hanoi and Washington enjoy normal diplomatic relations. No drama. No grief.

I'm sure in the aftermath of 1975 there were Washington swamp-creatures who were champing at the bit to provide covert aid to Montagnard "rebels" because.... well.... because.

But to what end? Why do it? Why not leave the Vietnamese to sort themselves out?

And, who knows, 50 years later there might be US Warships making port calls in Danang, and US factories relocating to Saigon and Hanoi. Heck, stranger things have happened.

The US should just leave the Taliban alone, and let them run Afghanistan without any interference. And if Saleh or Massoud start stirring up trouble then use THAT as leverage with the Taliban.

As in: we could provide covert aid to those clowns. You know it. I know it. We could easily do it. So if you leave the US alone then we'll refrain from picking up the phone when Massoud rings. Win-Win for both of us.

Is that a deal? Or not?

That would be the smart play. Use the *possibility* of arming Panjshir rebels as a way of influencing the Taliban. But don't reflexively arm those rebels just to piss off the Taliban.


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 22 2021 10:08 utc | 102

What about this b?
https://turcopolier.com/the-mujahideen-resistance-to-the-taliban-begins-now-but-we-need-help-ttg/

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Aug 22 2021 11:23 utc | 103

posted by Norwegian @ 87

who commented:


"9-11 is an onion of lies. Once you peel away the outer layer, you find the next level of deception. Nobody from Afghanistan had anything to do with 9-11, the official narrative of what happened is physically impossible and it doesn't help to claim the planes contained Saudi nationals, because the planes were a distraction anyway, they could never (and didn't) bring the three towers down or cause the other effects"

I am surprised.others have not picked up on this. The Australian PM, Pastor Morrison, mentioned this 'failure' of Taliban government of Afganistan to the USG orders to comply immediately with USG demands to hand over OBL, without any evidence, immediately.

Today, Pastor Morrison amplified this on Australian TV, as a 'justification' for a twenty plus years war against Afghanistan. The arrogance and superiority is built on.

This is 'the 'rules based order' on parade.

This reminds me of the impossible demands of Austria on Serbia which led to world war one.


Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 22 2021 6:17 utc | 87Poted by

Posted by: Paul | Aug 22 2021 11:46 utc | 104

At least they can say "they got bin Laden".

@Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 22 2021 6:18 utc | 88

Or did they? Was it all a Hollywood style hoax?
Just more MSM presentation?

Was their **one** victory just hot air too?

After the Navy Seal raid at Abbottabad, Pakistan:
The body of so-called "Bin Laden" was immediately thrown overboard mafia-style to the bottom of the ocean.
Before we got to even see it.
Photos taken by the Navy Seals of the body were ordered destroyed or turned over to the CIA, out of reach of FOIA requests.
The helmet cameras worn by the Navy Seals were at first heralded! Hurrah !!, everyone said. But then we were told, "they never existed".
The witnesses, the Seals, were ordered silent forever. No witnesses. Forever.
The DNA was handled by the CIA itself.

At the same time the CIA is claiming, "We got Bin Laden", they are eliminating all evidence.

Who trusts the CIA?

It was a year and a half before the book "No Easy Day" was published by one of the Seals.

The Seal that got the best look at the body, took pictures of the body, collected bodily fluid samples and compared the body
to pictures he had brought on the raid, said in his book that he had refused to identify the body as Bin Laden.
That Seal said on 60 Minutes that when he got back to base one CIA agent came in and told him and General McRaven,
"you got him, it was Bin Laden".
The CIA. The CIA told the Seals and General McRaven it was bin Laden.

Three years after the book release another Seal broke ranks and came out into the lime light.
His version and the first Seal's version do not match up. But the second Seal explained it away as, "fog of war".
The second Seal, who is credited with shooting "Bin Laden", said he did seven things in less than one second.
That is the total time he had to look at "bin Laden".
Less than one second and doing multiple things. And while wearing night vision goggles.

He said, while wearing night vision goggles, that he:
1) jumped into the doorway.
2) id'd the figure as bin Laden
3) made sure he wasn't going to shoot any women or children
4) raised his weapon because the figure was taller than he expected
5) noticed a weapon on a nearby shelf
6) saw that the figure appeared to be reaching for the weapon
7) put several shots into the skull of the figure
He said that all took place in less than one second and then he continued into the room and the next in his sweep.
Never stopped to look at "the mess" (his words) he had made.

There is no evidence, but there are two witnesses. One which refused to id the body as bin Laden
and the other that had less than a second to make his id while wearing night vision goggles
and dealing with the fog of war.

Witnesses ordered to be silent forever. Pictures destroyed. Helmet cameras "never existed".
Body immediately thrown overboard to the bottom of the ocean mafia-style. The CIA handled the DNA.

The CIA told us all what to believe, as they were destroying all evidence.
Their claim was echoed and multiplied a million times in the news media.

Posted by: librul | Aug 22 2021 12:43 utc | 105

Smart joke (allegedly) by Norman Finkelstein:

"If you ever feel useless,
just remember
it took 20 years,
trillions of dollars
and 4 US presidents
to replace the Taliban
with the Taliban."

Posted by: HerrHesser | Aug 22 2021 13:08 utc | 106

librul @105

Since 2011, how many Bin Laden videos and audio statements have been released?

Posted by: schmoe | Aug 22 2021 13:11 utc | 107

@Posted by: schmoe | Aug 22 2021 13:11 utc | 107

Do you have the answer or are you looking to me for the answer?

The audio I remember best came out just days before Bush's reelection.
It was the famous bin Laden "I did it" audio tape.
Bin Laden had always said that he didn't do 9/11.
Isn't that amazing! A "great victory for resistance" and he denied doing it.
Then, just in time to help Bush's reelection he took credit (via audio tape).

The tape came out, and this was stated publicly, via Mossad.

Via Mossad.

Posted by: librul | Aug 22 2021 13:22 utc | 108

@108 my comment was that after the alleged 2011 Bin Laden killing, his communiques ceased. If he was still alive, wouldn't he still be taunting the US.

Posted by: schmoe | Aug 22 2021 13:36 utc | 109

@Posted by: schmoe | Aug 22 2021 13:36 utc | 109

Ok, but I don't think anyone is saying Blaiden is still alive.

The question is how soon after 9/11 did his health give out.

Posted by: librul | Aug 22 2021 13:43 utc | 110

Confirmation? Just send a text to Lara Logan, no video required
No 'satellite' required

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 22 2021 14:21 utc | 111

The resistance has fallen apart as quick as the conspiracy that they were Western backed.

RE: Herat.

This is just the beginning. The Taliban used to tell people to cover their windows so that people don't look at women through their home windows. Can 20 years change that kind of attitude?

Posted by: Me2 | Aug 22 2021 14:45 utc | 112


Whatever is reality with both BinLaden and 911, I think it will be very difficult to find out the exact things that happened in both cases. Now and earlier, there has been a lot of psyops and specualtions on both sides.

Digging into 911 is a very tedious and frustrating thing and raises more questions that answers, IMHO. I think it is still early to say, but I am increasingly putting into the file of "mysteries" like Kennedy assassination. The death of OBL and time/whereabouts is just as full of unknowns. Both issues should not take much more energy with all the issues at hand now.

The main issue I see today is whether or not we are heading towards a more multipolar order instead of the unipolar ("Rules-based") Romanesque dictum of the USA. One can see that now there are cracks between Europe and USA as well, despite USA having a more "stable" president than Trump and more political edible for most European leaders. Still, the interests of Europe and those of USA are increasingly at odds with each other.

The only reason for a NATO today is to uphold the global world policing, unless one chooses to believed that Russia is still a threat to European peace. On the latter, one may ask whether or not it ever was, but that is a different issue.

I will strive to support the groups who are working towards a Nordic integration and dissociation from EU and NATO. I would like the Nordic region to set a new example on how a peaceful multipolar cooperation with other nations can exist. The days of bombing poor nations and toppling regimes one does not like has to end.

Afghanistan is now only relevant as far as the acute issue of ending the airport debacle. The long-term picture is one free of the West, but otherwise it seems open.

Posted by: Harald | Aug 22 2021 14:52 utc | 113

Gordog @81 I really appreciate your knowledge of these events, the area, and your ability to tie information together. Yes, you called it. I come here to soak up the knowledge of the barflies.
I know nothing of the intricacies of the war machine, military tactics or tribal politics.
All I know is that machines need gas, weapons need ammo, and humans need food. Without those things, nothing happens.
From that I concluded the same as you...those clowns ain't going nowhere.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 22 2021 15:17 utc | 114

Here's another simplifying tidbit of info: people on dialysis don't live long without it.
The USA excels at one thing-propaganda and disinformation. The blizzard of bs they fling is masterful. And they throw out contradictory bs, just to keep the monkeys amused reflinging it. (The current covid/vaccine/passport blizzard is a good example).
But if you know that Bin Laden was on dialysis, you know that he died shortly after he headed out of Afghanistan. You don't have to argue about the "communiques" that fat Bin Laden put out, or the "confession" that they supposedly "found" in a cave or a hut, or whatever bs they flung about that. You don't have to scoff at the "DNA test" they did in the helicopter (yeah, right) or the body they threw into the ocean or whether he hid behind his wives or pointed a gun. All of it is bs.
People on dialysis can't live without it, every couple of days.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 22 2021 15:33 utc | 115

@115
Was there any credible evidence Bin Laden was on dialysis? I thought it originated from a belief that he might have Marfan Syndrome, but I am not aware of any evidence of that either.

Posted by: schmoe | Aug 22 2021 15:55 utc | 116

This is a recent interview with Imran Khan. I am not big fan of Pakistan, but he makes lots of sense in the things he says here.
Worth watching...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcIoQwf8qJg

Posted by: Harald | Aug 22 2021 16:13 utc | 117

@ 81 gordog... i liked what grieved said... you are a great asset to moa.. don't be discouraged... stay positive!

@ Jörgen Hassler | Aug 22 2021 9:24 utc | 98... thanks... you might be right... i am not sure about what this means to the left and etc. etc. in the broader sense you suggest..

Posted by: james | Aug 22 2021 16:26 utc | 118

The Taliban used to tell people to cover their windows so that people don't look at women through their home windows. Can 20 years change that kind of attitude?

Posted by: Me2 | Aug 22 2021 14:45 utc | 112

Muslim houses don't have outside windows, so it's not an issue. Only in Europe or North America, so I don't know where you got that one. sounds confused. By the way, round where I live, all the Muslims, and all the non-Muslims too, are putting up covers on their garden fences so you can't see in. Privacy in the garden has become quite a fashion. Started with the Muslims but now everybody does it. The local mayor must be Taliban... although he claims to be a socialist.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 22 2021 16:42 utc | 119

It's Sunday. I'm stepping back, taking a break from my fixations and turning to Wendell Berry, probably my top role model along with Gabor Mate. Two wise, humble, strong, loving men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGPg4PuSTvQ

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 22 2021 17:42 utc | 120

@ 120 migueljose... wendall berry is great! i have read many of his books.. i really admire the man! enjoy the weekend... gabor mate - yes to him too and his son aaron!

@ laguerre.. interesting.. where is that? in france??

Posted by: james | Aug 22 2021 18:27 utc | 121

@Yeah, Right 102, I wouldn't put it that strongly. The US left and then there was a genocide in Cambodia.
My main beef with human rights concerns is they are thoroughly and officially weaponized as a foreign policy tool. Very successfully too , with a large part of the public supporting humanitarian imperialism.
But that doesn't mean we should signal a complete hands-off approach.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 22 2021 19:38 utc | 122

This Haqqani guy ( or guys?..)seems to enoy a lot of respect and consideration amongst Afghan ethnicities and previous warrying parties. It seems is he who is brokering the alliances and terms of them...while most visible top person from amonbgst the TB, Mullah Baradar, seems to have retired from scene for now.

I have not researched the man for lack of time, but, since we in the West who are not professionaly dedicated to geopolitics have only the US series´Homeland reference as "dangerous terrorist", I would be most interested in a semblance of the man in the great turban, prefearably from an oriental neutral point of view, different from Wikipedia or US DoS valuing...

As unvaccinated honest taxpayers who do not have even a driving fine are already being labelled as "terrorists" in most of the West fro not wanting to expose themselves to dangerous untested meds, I am most interested in what the real biography of this man would be....

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 22 2021 20:18 utc | 123

"...I will strive to support the groups who are working towards a Nordic integration and dissociation from EU and NATO. I would like the Nordic region to set a new example on how a peaceful multipolar cooperation with other nations can exist. ..."

Posted by: Harald | Aug 22 2021 14:52 utc | 113

The activity of viking no longer has any fondness associated with it? Sweden is one of the world's larger military industrialists, is it not?

from https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/open-thread-2021-63/comments/page/3/#comments

"...A Nordic defense union along with economic unity would be a paradise. ..."
Posted by: Harald | Aug 20 2021 10:07 utc | 133

You could call it Valhalla or Folkvangr ...

Posted by: tucenz | Aug 20 2021 20:13 utc | 204 (https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/open-thread-2021-63/comments/page/3/#comments)

Posted by: tucenz | Aug 22 2021 20:19 utc | 124

"The Taliban used to tell people to cover their windows so that people don't look at women through their home windows. Can 20 years change that kind of attitude?"

@Posted by: Me2 | Aug 22 2021 14:45 utc | 112

I do not know in what kind of priviledged neighborhood you live ( may be Martha´s Vineyard?...)but the common of mortal from the working class, we live in crowded neighborhoods in tiny aparments, many times located on in front of the other, and so we all have curtains in our windows.

I just have passed some days in a rented apartment in a coastal location where what I missed most was some curtains to not expose myself to the viccinity ever morning when iI waked upin summer payamas or every time i had to change clothes.

I can asure you I am not a Taliban, or of Taliban nor muslim descent, but a European woman, of left tendency, for more inri...Simply, I do not like to expose myself anytime I do not feel like to do it...

Thus, having curtains in the windows is an extended necessary custom amongst economically humble people who can not afford a villa surrounded by huge trees and bushes plus a pool...FYI...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 22 2021 20:28 utc | 125

Some interesting things happening in Afghanistan...compilation from @Natsecjeff

A woman who was known at twitter for anti-Taliban stance, has declared through Twitte it was the first time since she was born that she had enjoyed electricity for 24h non stop, and that this happened after Taliban take over...One wonders why neither the super prepared former WB employee Ghani, nor the US ( or the fabulous omnipotent nation-builders Green Berets for that matter...), managed to achieve just one day of 24 hours of electricity supply through the past 20 years...Were they doing it on purpose to crush them, highly suspecting the hostility of the Afghan population?

The Taliban higher education commission had a meeting with the administration of Herat university and put forward their conditions. They initially demanded that women can only be taught by other female teachers. Upon protests by the admin, stating the lack of female, the commission replied that it was the fault of the university for not having produced enough female lecturers through the years( too much for the so claimed empowerment of women through the past US appointed govs...), that The Taliban did not struggle for 20 years for a non-Islamic set up for education to be in place. The commission eventually conceded to letting old and pious lecturers teach the female staff. The admin also complained that they did not have enough rooms to segregate both genders. The commission has asked the admin to submit a proposal for consideration.

Afghan finance ministry says civil servants will receive their salaries after formation of new government...

Taliban have been removing concrete road blocks ( put up under previous regime for security reasons, as if they were not sure of the peoples loyalty...) from all areas under its control, from Kandahar to Kabul. This image is from Kabul. So as to not keep barriers amongst people and officials ..

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1429529282787921921

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1429346261904277507

TB sources say that TB-appointed governor of Kandahar, Haji Wafa told a gathering of Islamic scholars in Kandahar that his admin won't force anyone about beard, music etc but the Islamic scholars should "preach against sins".

"Taliban-linked men at Kabul airport urged Afghans to stay in the country, along with Americans who are trying to leave the country. He [the speaker] called Afghanistan the common home of all and stressed that no one should be afraid to stay in Afghanistan."

TB's "Economic Affairs Commission" has banned the export of scrap metal for the time being to fulfill domestic needs.

TB sources confirm that TB facilitated the first domestic flight landing at Mazar-e-Sharif airport today.

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1429471278201806854

The Taliban have captured a group of carjackers in Kabul and found dozens of vehicles with them. If anyone's car has been stolen, contact the police chief.

https://twitter.com/TGhazniwal/status/1429421957271928842

The Taliban say they will launch a large-scale operation tomorrow against fraudsters who deceive people outside airports and embassies, forge documents or show them other impossible ways to get out. The Taliban say they will catch all the fraudsters and punish them severely.

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1429468937146802185

Scenes form Kabul daily life, out of the airport...

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1429442350699491329

As we already know from the images of TB enjoying at autos de choque that they always find a moment for joy amongst the battle..Taliban enjoy at amusement park in Mazer e Sharif, Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1429489827242721283

Another picturesque scene worth a painting, like that resembling the last supper after the take over of the Presidential Palace...( But these Haqqanis, how many they are? This is older than the one brokering the deals...)

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1429345005240524803

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 22 2021 21:20 utc | 126

@Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 22 2021 21:20 utc | 126

From all of of the above, I conclude that the Taliban are managing quite well at oganizing Kabul and other main cities under their rule in every aspect of life.

They seem accustomed to adminsitration of government, otherwise would not had managed to do it so soon, since it seems they were de facto ruling most of Afghanistan since time ago.

If things go at this pace, and there is no bad intentioned bad loser revenge by the US provoking a civil war through their war lord Massoud, I hope the country will be open for travelling starting next year.

I had never considered the possibility of travelling to Afghanistan, due the peprpetual war there, but, after witnessing these days some scenes of the people and the country, all of a sudden, I felt the wish to travel there. They seem a very interesting people, not stressed or scared at all by anything, as we are people in the West now, in spite of having passed the past 40 years at war...Also considering that amusement is still allowed in Afghanistan even under Sharia Law...while in the West it has been abolished...

I want definitely to meet this people before I die... I would like to visit the Panjshir Valley, once pacified, too...

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 22 2021 23:02 utc | 127

All the so-called analysis (or recriminations) of "what went wrong in Afghanistan" that the Americans are wallowing in now conceals a fundamental reality that the Leader of the Free World is deathly afraid of admitting:

The American invasion and colonial occupation of Afghanistan are a massive crime against humanity.

For those people needing a refresher, here is one incident that exemplifies the barbarous nature of America’s war in general.

The Kill Team: How U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan Murdered Innocent Civilians
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-kill-team-how-u-s-soldiers-in-afghanistan-murdered-innocent-civilians-169793/

The Kill Team Photos
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-lists/the-kill-team-photos-10864/

US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/us-soldiers-afghan-civilians-fingers

Today, however, instead of focusing on the criminal nature of their war, the Americans indulge in self-serving (and diversionary) handwringing about how the USA has been "embarrassed" by its cowardly Afghan retreat or how the American Empire's drive for world domination against nations like Russia and China is failing.

This behavior is truly obscene and one more atrocity that the United States has inflicted on Afghanistan, even after it is supposedly ending its war there.

The United States has murdered, tortured, or terrorized Afghanistan for the past 2 decades, but the primarily complaint that the Americans have is … that they haven’t benefited from this crime against humanity!

This in a nutshell embodies the banality of American evil.

Biden’s Afghanistan speech: America’s criminal war ends in debacle
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/17/pers-a17.html

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 22 2021 23:20 utc | 128

@all

regarding the insane col lang's push for a US covert support of Northern Alliance rebellion , i was again reminded the french indochina defeat where they left many french led commando units in indochina to their deaths. They are still calling for supply drop after french left indochina but there's no more supply and they are all killed by vietminh during their cleansing operation , as it should be.

these foreign supported units are like cancer cells, the host nation should purge them before they grew big. Alas the US have zero political will and zero military option to support a covert ops to northern alliance. the situation changed now with russia closing the northern borders and china openly support the taliban leadership

and US ? they tried to rope in India as an asset against the covert action and it is rather laughable since india is a mess and cannot even project power outside india (shades of srilanka's IPKF disaster)

All the west have is their media narrative control , the insane level of propaganda demonizing taliban indicate they have no more option other than saving face in the media..

Posted by: deap | Aug 23 2021 0:37 utc | 129

@ 102 yeah, right... ttg and pat lang - the ultimate arm chair warriors.... pl is a christian zealot who still believes in the supremacy of the usa empire... ttg is ordinarily a bit more sane, so i am not sure what happened to him...

i agree with @ 129 deap... ( mostly) "All the west have is their media narrative control." unfortunately for them, it ain't enough..

Posted by: james | Aug 23 2021 0:43 utc | 130

@James 130

I enjoy your posts on SST , keep putting those barbs into the crazy col Lang lol

Based on TTG (the twisted genius) posts on SST , i think he is just another intel mole who occasionally posts USG propaganda , like how he support the russian hacking theory (the fancy bear and the dutch case). His latest posts also works in line with USG media propaganda tagline.

The whole SST seem like a disinfo channel by guest posters who is ex intelligence (is there even an 'ex' when it come to intelligence ?).. Larry johnson is the obvious one , then the commenters there like 'fred' which constantly bully other posters..

would love to see ttg or col lang post on MoA and get blasted here , but he cant take even smallest criticsm so he can only be the lord of SST and nowhere else

Posted by: deap | Aug 23 2021 0:52 utc | 131

Lang in Vietnam was a junior officer in the Green Berets -- "special forces" -- which was involved (with CIA) in Operation Phoenix which involved torture, tossing individuals out of airborne choppers, etc.
. . .from the web
Throughout the program, Phoenix "neutralized" 81,740 people suspected of VC membership, of whom 26,369 were killed and the rest surrendered or were captured. 87 percent of those killed were attributed to conventional military operations [sure] by South Vietnam and the U.S. forces; the remainder were assassinated.//
Lang's defense for participating in this, stated on his blog to me, was that they were just following orders from the [US puppet] South Vietnam government.
I will give Lang some credit, as a more mature individual he was openly against Operation Iraq Freedom.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 23 2021 1:08 utc | 132

@ 131 deap... pat banned me, but thanks! i decided to not even bother to go to his site anymore.... the guy is a christian zealot and warmonger for empire... maybe i ought to go over and see if he will let me post again! i haven't tried in a good 6 or more months!! thanks! sst is like visiting the loony bin with the head honcho completely off his meds most of the time... he is an old man... i mostly think of him as having lost his marbles!!

Posted by: james | Aug 23 2021 1:09 utc | 133

@ deap #129
re: and US ? they tried to rope in India as an asset against the covert action and it is rather laughable since india is a mess and cannot even project power outside india

Yes! And the US continues to try to get India against China and so what if they did. It's a weak backward country with major internal problems. Meanwhile India has lost big-time in Afghanistan and Iran.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 23 2021 1:16 utc | 134

@ Asha K. | Aug 22 2021 21:20 utc | 126

OT Would you happen to know anything about the painting image behind the desk in the presidential palace, scene of the Taliban victory days ago after over 20 years of its most recent foreign occupation?

I tried to look it up without success.

Posted by: suzan | Aug 23 2021 2:30 utc | 135

@135 suzan

Pepe Escobar talks about this image in his interview with Norton and Blumenthal of the Grayzone:
Inside US Afghanistan pullout, CIA opium ratline, pipeline conflict, new cold war

He doesn't name the painting but describes it as an image of a cleric blessing a warrior surrounded by other warriors. He speaks of the powerful impact, the "jolt", that must have gone through all of Islam to see such a tableau as the Taliban in their solemn triumph mirrored by the painting in the background. He sees the entire image (Taliban plus painting) as one of the most iconic geopolitical images.

He starts talking about it at 26:55, and it's in the context of how the Taliban warriors feel at the moment, having taken the palace but not actually sure if they're the government, or what happens next.

The whole interview is fascinating, by the way, but over 2 hours long.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 23 2021 3:49 utc | 136

RE: Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 22 2021 10:08 utc 

“Use the *possibility* of arming Panjshir rebels as a way of influencing the Taliban. “

In coercive social relations resort to coercion is ideologically embedded as an increasing sum of some realise throughout the world, some of whom to a degree of understanding and resolve to transcend such coercive social relations, even if doing so requires the destruction of the whole planet, which informs the nuclear warfare policies of the Russian Federation and others.

Some within “the allied forces” increasingly realised that this encouragement of opposition was increasingly the case in Afghanistan and sought “to rectify” the situation by way of embedded ideologies of coercion, which you apparently “advise” in a different form.

Thank you for your complicity in encouraging the transcendence of “The United States of America”
thereby aiding the “exceptionalism” of such coercive social relations as being surplus to requirements, whilst increasing the possibilities of some embedded in "The United States of America" remaining in Afghanistan and elsewhere as cadavers.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 23 2021 7:29 utc | 137


8 days until the deadline and looks like Taliban is cranking up the pressure. This is going to get interesting. USA will have to be on their knees begging now and even that may not help.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/08/23/Taliban-will-not-allow-western-forces-to-extend-Aug-31-deadline-Sources

Posted by: Harald | Aug 23 2021 9:42 utc | 138

@137 So many words, MagdaTam, and yet so little understanding.

I'm not suggesting that the USA attempt "coercion" against the Taliban. Quite the opposite.

I'm saying that arming the Panjshir as a knee-jerk reaction to being pissed off would be juvenile, pointless, and stupid.

I'm saying that if the Panjshir want to be given arms from "the west" then the smart move is to take that to the Taliban and use it as a bargaining chip: we could do this, but unless you give us a reason to do this then we won't.

That's "bargaining", my friend, it isn't "coercion".
That's "playing your cards" in order to "do a deal".

I don't see anything wrong with that. I see nothing even remotely resembling your wordy nonsense.
What I see is what most people (not you, obviously) would see as "diplomacy".

"We could, but we won't, unless you give us a reason to. Your choice. Wadda' say?"

That's not coercion, which would be this:
"We could, but if you do this then we won't".

It's the difference between making you do something you don't want to do (which is coercion) versus giving you a reason NOT to do something.


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 23 2021 9:49 utc | 139

US military morale is suffering with the Afghan debacle, with an already high suicide rate. So military leaders are scrambling to justify their existence.
The two top Marines, commissioned and non-commissioned, in an open letter: Marines’ service in Afghanistan was “meaningful, powerful, and important. . .You put the good of others before yourself. You fought to defend your country, your family, your friends, and your neighbors. You fought to prevent terror from returning to our shores. You fought for the liberty of young Afghan girls, women, boys, and men who want the same individual freedoms we enjoy as Americans. You fought for the Marine to your left and the Marine to your right.” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 23 2021 13:30 utc | 140

RE: Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 23 2021 9:49 utc | 139

“I'm saying that if the Panjshir want to be given arms from "the west" then the smart move is to take that to the Taliban and use it as a bargaining chip: we could do this, but unless you give us a reason to do this then we won't. “

“That's "bargaining", my friend, it isn't "coercion".

RE : Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 23 2021 7:29 utc | 137

“In coercive social relations resort to coercion is ideologically embedded ….... “

as illustrated embedded in “bargaining” through “coercion” manifested as attempted “blackmail – a practice with inherent reticence to act”, both of which illustrate partly why “The United States of America” is deemed by some to be “agreement incapable”.

RE: Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 23 2021 9:49 utc | 139

“That's "playing your cards" in order to "do a deal".”

“What I see is what most people (not you, obviously) would see as "diplomacy". “

“my friend “

RE : Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 23 2021 7:29 utc | 137

“Some within “the allied forces” increasingly realised that this encouragement of opposition was increasingly the case in Afghanistan and sought “to rectify” the situation by way of embedded ideologies of coercion, which you apparently “advise” in a different form.”

the different form attempted in this instance by the misrepresentation of coercion as “bargaining” and attempted “blackmail” as diplomacy based upon a lack of experience of diplomacy and/or its practitioners, and the belief that every soldier carries a Marshall's baton in his knapsack.

Increasing the functionality and acknowledgement of

“Thank you for your complicity in encouraging the transcendence of “The United States of America”
thereby aiding the “exceptionalism” of such coercive social relations as being surplus to requirements, whilst increasing the possibilities of some embedded in "The United States of America" remaining in Afghanistan and elsewhere as cadavers. “

within which an increasing sum of some are and will likely co-operate without requirement of bribery.

Neither I nor they are your friend, we are your opponents, sometimes designated as "colleagues" or "partners" in recognition of their complicity in a joint venture of facilitating the transcendence of coercive social relations.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 23 2021 13:39 utc | 141

Response to HerrHesser #106

I expanded a bit on your post:

No matter how you view
Afghanistan, it took 20 years,
a couple trillion dollars, four
US presidents, a parade of
promoted generals, acts of
torture and rendition, a whole
lotta bombing, lots of UN
posturing and questionable state
department, congressional and
media reports in order to replace
the Taliban with the Taliban!

Posted by: Michael R Weddle | Aug 23 2021 13:52 utc | 142

@ Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 23 2021 13:30 utc | 140

Yeah... not.

Putin warns terrorists & Taliban fighters ‘disguised as refugees’ could be flowing out of Afghanistan amid chaos of US withdrawal

Posted by: vk | Aug 23 2021 14:24 utc | 143

b: While its over for Ahmad Massoud his pal Amrullah Saleh wants to continue.

Is it really "over" for Massoud? Was that misinformation?

VOA (published today): Taliban Targets Panjshir Valley as Resistance Leaders Remain Defiant

The Taliban are dispatching hundreds of fighters to the Panjshir Valley, 150 kilometers north of the Afghan capital, Kabul, to try to stamp out an emerging resistance movement led by the son [Ahmad Massoud] of a warlord who defied them the last time they ruled Afghanistan 20 years ago.

. . .

On Sunday [yesterday; Aug22], Massoud told Reuters that he did not want war. “We want to make the Taliban realize that the only way forward is through negotiation," he said by telephone. He said his fighters are ready to fight. “They want to resist any totalitarian regime,” he said.


!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 23 2021 19:20 utc | 144

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 23 2021 3:49 utc | 136

Yes, I caught that while processing tomatoes as I listened to the greyzone. Pepe said it was an image of an Imam blessing a warrior. What Imam in what time and which warrior?i Was the image painted, when and by whom.

Posted by: suzan | Aug 24 2021 4:58 utc | 145

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