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August 16, 2021
Afghanistan – Chaos Pictures Increase Fallout From U.S. Defeat

The Wall Street Journal describes the current situation at the Kabul airport as '‘Saigon on Steroids’

It indeed is as satellite pictures and a number of videos posted on Twitter show. Thousands of people rushed towards the airport. There was some panic at one of the entry gates and three persons there seem to have died in a stampede. Hundreds ran onto the runway. Other tried to climb fly bridges to get into planes.

On the military side of the airport the U.S. military fired shots to keep people from storming it. They later set up razor wire.

People ran along a departing C-17, a large military airplane. Some climbed onto the plane's landing gear doors.


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The plane started, the landing gear retracted and the doors closed. At least three people fell to their death. Some others were alledgedly overrun by a plane and died.

Those sad little stories are an aside in the larger picture but it does reflect how little control the U.S. has over the airport. Why was there no planing for this?

These pictures will dominate the news cycle and upset further evacuation plans:

Ruffini @EenaRuffini – 13:30 UTC · Aug 16, 2021

NEW: Situation at the airport is “tenuous” and consideration is being given to pulling all Americans out and leaving the Afghans behind. That decision has not been made but it is on the table and will need to be addressed if Us can’t get control of the airport. (Martin/Ruffini)

That would actually be good as the current chaos is totally unnecessary. There have been very few revenge acts by the Taliban around the country. They have clear orders to not commit any and they behave very disciplined. There is no proof that anyone's security in Kabul, be they diplomats or Afghan civilians of any stripe, is in danger.

The Taliban spokesman confirms this:

Suhail Shaheen. محمد سهیل شاهین @suhailshaheen1 – 15:15 UTC · 16 Aug 2021

We assure all diplomats, embassies, consulates, and charitable workers, whether they are international or national that not only no problem will be created for them on the part of IEA but a secure environment will be provided to them, Inshallah.

Still – the U.S. is sending even more soldiers and soon there will be 7,000 of them. They will hardly fit into the airport.

The city of Kabul was quiet today. Taliban patrol the roads and guard important offices. Men walked or drove around and did their jobs but few women were seen. The Talibs greeted friendly:

Obaidullah Baheer @ObaidullaBaheer – 11:05 UTC · Aug 16, 2021

I went out imagining savagery and anger from them, I imagined seeing #KhaledHosseini's world. Yet, I was pleasantly surprised at their discipline and respectfulness. I hope they are learning to change their image of us too. [4/5]

There was even a Shia procession in Kabul today which caused no incidents.

It seems that Taliban had no plan to be in Kabul yet. But yesterday, after the higher government officials fled with all the money they had stolen, public security broke down and some looting took place. The Taliban had to move in to secure the city.

These are no longer the Taliban of the 1990s.

Afghanistan scholar Antonio Giustozzi sees reasons for hope:

Although the Taliban may well adopt the “emirate” label for Afghanistan again, it seems that their plan is to incorporate new features in their government.

The Taliban have hinted recently that they would like to adopt the 1964 constitution as the basis of a new constitution that will be drafted. This in general has been viewed as a positive signal, given that the 1964 constitution was in the past hailed as the start of Afghanistan’s decade of democracy. However, it does not mention political parties and it is a monarchist constitution. We will also have to see what “updates” the Taliban will want to bring to it.

The Taliban appear bent on incorporating elements of the previous regime, with whom in fact they have already made deals over the past few months. Among the most prominent are former foreign minister Salahuddin Rabbani, former president Hamid Karzai and former deputy president Karim Khalili. Some Islamic parties and groups, such as Hizb-i Islami, led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, have also made deals with the Taliban and are likely to be represented in the future government.

The Taliban have also been reaching out to mid-level technocrats and bureaucrats, inviting them to stay in the country to serve the next government. They have started absorbing army specialists, in order to operate advanced equipment.

The geopolitical consequences of the U.S. defeat will be felt for a long time. As Andrei Martyanov writes:

The world took notice and the United States handed the victory to Islamic fanatics and thus emboldened them, the same way the United States fanned the flames of Political Islam in 1980s and helped to form the force which is radically anti-civilizational in its essence.

This IS the main failure of the combined West and it will be, yet again, up to someone else to clean this fucking mess after the US, whose political and military "elites" not only did not learn shit from anything but are incapable of learning. In that, when combined with a myriad of other economic, scientific, cultural and moral failures, modern West, headed by the United States, declared itself a failure. Events in Kabul today demonstrate perfectly and are the epitome of the modern West.

I am much less concerned about the Taliban as a winning local resistance in Afghanistan than about the example their victory sets for more radical Islamists in other parts of the world.

Afghanistan's neighbors will see to it that Afghanistan will not again become a black hole or a nest for foreign radicals. As Giustozzi remarks:

Overall, however, the primary concerns of the future Taliban-led government will be pragmatic. It will have to manage relations with neighbouring countries – Pakistan, Iran, Russia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and China – most of which have existing relations with the Taliban, but do not entirely trust them. All have interests that they want the Taliban to respect. The Taliban-led government will struggle to keep the economy afloat and to maintain the provision of essential services, which have been suspended in much of Afghanistan as they advanced.

Yesterday Iran was informed by Russia that it will now become a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). So far the SCO included China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, India and Pakistan. Iran will now join and Afghanistan has observer status. This block, which is to a large part about military and policy coordination, will cover for Iran when the U.S. will try to escalate over Iran's nuclear program. Today Pakistan's prime minister Imran Khan was in Iran for further talks. He will then travel to Doha to talk with the Taliban leadership.

The SCO will also take care of Afghanistan. It has enough collective power to help and develop Afghanistan over the next decades.

The U.S. though lost a lot of face. The defeat, and the bad handling of it, have been noticed around the world and especially in Asia. There the U.S. has tried to recruit 'allies' for its self inflicted and totally unnecessary confrontation with China.

But who will want to join such a feeble 'superpower' after watching its recent performance in Afghanistan, elsewhere, or even at home?

Comments

In my comment @46, I’d questioned Pepe Escobar about the use of “we” by what he implied was an individual informant. Pepe replied and said my estimate that the analysis was consensual was correct. How many formed that consensus he didn’t say nor did I ask. Judging from the “likes,” others were also curious.
Meanwhile, Russia’s MFA issued this PR:
“We are closely monitoring the development of the situation in Afghanistan after the transfer of power in this country to the Taliban movement as a result of the almost complete absence of resistance from the national armed forces trained by the United States and its allies.
“According to available information, the situation in Kabul and afghanistan is generally stabilizing. The Taliban began to restore public order, confirmed the security guarantees of local residents and foreign diplomatic missions. We call on all Afghan parties to refrain from violence and to contribute to the peaceful settlement of the situation.
“The Russian Embassy in Kabul continues to function normally. Working contacts have been established with representatives of the new authorities in order to ensure the security of the Russian foreign institution.”
Lavrov also engaged in telephone conversations with the Foreign Affairs Ministers of China and Kyrgyzstan, and Blinken of the Outlaw US Empire, all of which seemed a routine sitrep.
TASS reported what Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote on her Telegram channel Monday, framing it thusly:
“The US leadership has been shrugging off responsibility for its geopolitical experiments for decades….
“[T]he diplomat reiterated how the 40th US President Ronald Reagan addressed the Afghans at the end of 1983, 1984 and 1985. ‘Each speech contained an obligatory passage greeting ‘freedom fighters’ in Afghanistan,’ she emphasized.
“The spokeswoman noted that the 40th US President called the mujahideen the movement of the native population destined to challenge the foreign military force threatening their religion and the very way of life, and that the Americans welcomed their incredible bravery and were closely following the actions of the Soviet Union in that republic. ‘In a sense, the battle for Afghanistan has shifted from the mountains of Afghanistan itself to the wider field of world opinion. So it is that the Soviets are prolonging the war and blacking out news about the daily atrocities which they’re committing. They’re waiting for world attention to slip, for our outrage to wane. Then, they believe the support which the free world has been providing to the freedom fighters will dwindle,’ Reagan said.
“‘This is actually a direct quote. The historical evidence of American geopolitical experiments that they have never claimed responsibility for,’ the diplomat concluded.”
The first full day of Back to the Future has ended with nothing remotely near to the hysteria of the attempted Establishment Narrative occurring. The UNSC special meeting produced a mostly boiler plate statement. Here’s the meat:
“The members of the Security Council called for an immediate cessation of all hostilities and the establishment, through inclusive negotiations, of a new Government that is united, inclusive and representative — including with the full, equal and meaningful participation of women. They underlined that institutional continuity and adherence to Afghanistan’s international obligations, as well as the safety and security of all Afghan and international citizens, must be ensured.
“The members of the Security Council called for an immediate end to the violence in Afghanistan, the restoration of security, civil and constitutional order, and urgent talks to resolve the current crisis of authority in the country and to arrive at a peaceful settlement through an Afghan-led, Afghan-owned process of national reconciliation. They underscored that a sustainable end to the conflict in Afghanistan can only be achieved through an inclusive, just, durable and realistic political settlement that upholds human rights, including for women, children and minorities. The members of the Security Council called on parties to adhere to international norms and standards on human rights and put an end to all abuses and violations in this regard.”
Soon the sun will rise and day 2 will begin, and we will continue to observe.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 21:49 utc | 101

When Speaking from a position of strength is not anymore relevant, try to weaponinise women and girls.

State Department spokesman Ned Price Monday urged Afghanistan’s new leaders to form an inclusive government that had women in it.
Price cited a United Nations declaration calling for “an immediate cessation of all hostilities and the establishment, through inclusive negotiations, of a new government that is united, inclusive and representative – including with the full, equal and meaningful participation of women.”

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 16 2021 21:59 utc | 102

Operation Turbine Tail

Posted by: librul | Aug 16 2021 21:59 utc | 103

Some guys are saying, after Biden´s hid under the alibi of a no-fighting Afghan Army, that for every US soldier fallen they fell 25 Afghan ones…
Way too much for a no-fighting army…
BTW, what Massoud will think of that adressing?
Such a beautiful place he has settled to organize the resistance…Resembles Gilgit Baltistan, may be a bit greeneer….It seems that apart from being an evergreen valley with a lot of water resources, it also has a lot of emeralds, which the Dutch seem to be exploding…
Could it be the next US stronghold where the riches mount, like NorthEast Syria?

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 16 2021 22:14 utc | 104

Laguerre @65 & several others–
About the poppy cultivation, yes I’m on the record that farmers must be weaned off their addiction to this and hashish. (I recall Afghan Primo hashish from the 1960s-70s complete with government seal stamped into the block.) To do that there must be subsidies for domestic growers, high tariffs on imported foodstuffs, and effective oversight and regulation. I’m sure all SCO nations would be willing to provide such aid. And yes, it won’t be easy as longstanding traditions are very hard to break so new habits can be established. Of course, there was zero effort by the Outlaw US Empire to do so because it wanted opium cultivated so it could profit. Islam says such intoxicants are taboo, but prohibition is difficult and potentially destabilizing as humanity’s learned. Perhaps a strictly regulated government program allowing only enough cultivation to satisfy global medicinal demand; and make it rotational so at some point all former cultivators get a piece of the action, not just a few. However, as construction of BRI related projects gets going, many will be pulled from the fields to those jobs. The rapid construction of technical schools teaching the skills needed to support development work ought to also be a priority.
Since very little was done by the Outlaw US Empire besides terrorizing people, Afghanistan is very much a tabula rasa ready to be drawn upon. There’s about eight weeks to go before Winter begins to settle in, so it will be interesting to see what progress occurs in that short timeframe.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 22:20 utc | 105

Posted by: Gordog | Aug 16 2021 18:42 utc | 43
I wouldn’t call it a blitzkrieg unless the Politico article that daffyDuct linked @ #14 is completely false.
According to a reporter who sounds like he’s spent plenty of time on the ground in the Af-Pak region, and not necessarily to the surprise of anyone who reads MoA regularly, this has been in the works for literally the entire time the USA has been occupying Afghanistan. Just for example on his credentials, the opening of his article:

Anatol Lieven is a senior fellow at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and author of Pakistan: A Hard Country. From 1985 to 1998, he worked as a journalist in South Asia, the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and covered the wars in Afghanistan, Chechnya and the southern Caucasus.
In the winter of 1989, as a journalist for the Times of London, I accompanied a group of mujahedeen fighters in Afghanistan’s Ghazni province. At one point, a fortified military post became visible on the other side of a valley. As we got closer, the flag flying above it also became visible — the flag of the Afghan Communist state, which the mujahedeen were fighting to overthrow.

Obviously the story goes on, and it speaks to how Afghanistan, while a country of tribes, families and sects is really a country that runs on deal making. The Taliban have been making deals with members of the Afghan Army and many Afghani families hedge their loyalties by sending one son off to fight with the Taliban and another son off to the Army. Hence, when one side or the other loses (usually the Army) the family is welcomed in by the victors.
Pretty interesting and helped me understand how this has all happened so quickly. In the mean time Bush and Cheney and thousands of MIC contractors laughed their way to the bank whilst they should be in prison cells at The Hague (if that place really has cells, I’ve no idea).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2021 22:22 utc | 106

Australia MSM media is full of newly minted ‘humanitarians’ who have suddenly discovered ‘human rights’, the ‘Universal ‘Declaration of Human Rights’ and the provisions of the ‘Geneva Conventions’, spelled out in chapter and verse, as applied to Afghanistan.
‘Solutions’ to the detriment of the new government of Afghanistan and the Afghan people are demanded from ‘the International community’ who the purport to speak for.
Of course these same ‘humanitarians’ have been silent on these issues, as applied to the captive and oppressed civilian population of Palestine for decades.
Solutions are never offered to the obligations of the occupier according to the above provisions and the real ‘international community’ to protect the captive and oppressed Palestinian people except to maintain the status quo and remain silent.
Consequently these ‘humanitarians’ have a credibility problem.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 16 2021 22:25 utc | 107

Before we invaded,
the Taliban offered to take Bin Laden into custody.
They even offered to send him to a third-party country for trial.
A trial would have required evidence.
As we had none that we were willing to show anybody
we got deferred justice.

Posted by: librul | Aug 16 2021 22:25 utc | 108

I think what “Biden” is doing is interesting, he is taking on the “interagency”. As President, it is his job to order the withdrawal, but it is not his job to organize it or make it happen. I don’t think I have seen any political bigshot stonewall like that when attacked for being “weak” in a long time.
I also find it interesting that this appears to have happened in a way most damaging to the whole “deep state” propaganda narrative, just shredded, Ghost of Vietnam raised for good.
And I think by the time the election rolls around this may do the Democrats a lot of good, ending the war. We’ll see.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 16 2021 22:25 utc | 109

The Elephant-in-the-Living-Room issue that most Americans and their allied crime partners carefully try to cover up is this: America’s invasion of Afghanistan and the fake War on Terrorism for the past 2 decades are NOT about “fighting terrorism.”
If it were, America wouldn’t be sponsoring terrorist groups including Al-Qaeda affiliates in Serbia, Libya, and Syria, or Islamicist terrorist groups in Russia and China.
Instead, America’s real agenda is to penetrate and control strategic regions of the world in order to advance US ambitions for American world dominance and prevent any nation from challenging this American rule of the planet.
The War on Terrorism is just like Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq; Humanitarian Intervention and the Responsibility to Protect doctrine; and the Cold War–both old and new.
These pretexts are world historic American deceptions far greater than anything promoted by the Nazi Third Reich.
American World Dominance is the raison d’etre, the alpha and omega, of America’s malign behavior since at least the Cold War to this very day.
All else is lies.
Here’s a couple of articles written after 9-11 that provide a historical refresher:
This war on terrorism is bogus
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq
Bush planned Iraq ‘regime change’ before becoming President
http://www.grassrootspeace.org/sundayherald0915.html
There is also another minor little issue that comes up.
If the War on Terrorism is a lie, then the Reichstag Fire event that catalyzed it—the September 11th “terrorist” attacks—are highly likely to be a lie as well….
9/11 SYNTHETIC TERRORISM
MADE IN USA
http://www.whale.to/b/tarpley_synthetic.pdf

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 16 2021 22:27 utc | 110

Karlof @ 99, thanks for the REAL news update.
Also VK and Asha K for same.
Lots of disinfo and fake news saturation from the usual suspects.
The Talib appear to be doing a fine job keeping calm in Kabul. This is why they went in. Had they not, the US would have manufactured all kinds of shitstorms in its wake.
The scorched earth tactic of withdrawal. That’s what those thousands of ‘interpreters’ and ‘diplomats’ are trained to do.
The western media would have amplified all of that.

Posted by: Gordog | Aug 16 2021 22:29 utc | 111

Expanding on my previous comments, and daffyDuct’s linked Politico article (which I recommend reading even if for the purpose of valid criticisms) the author writes the following:

The power of kinship led to a common arrangement whereby extended families have protected themselves by sending one son to fight with the government army or police (for pay) and another son to fight with the Taliban. This has been a strategy in many civil wars, for example, among English noble families in the 15th-century Wars of the Roses. It means that at a given point, one of the sons can desert and return home without fearing persecution by the winning side.
These arrangements also serve practical purposes. It is often not possible for guerrilla forces to hold any significant number of prisoners of war. Small numbers might be held for ransom, but most ordinary soldiers are let go, enlisted in the guerrillas’ own ranks or killed.
Thus, as in medieval Europe, Afghanistan has a tradition to which the Taliban have adhered closely — and which helps explain the speed of their success. The Taliban will summon an enemy garrison to surrender, either at once or after the first assaults. If it does so, the men can either join the besiegers or return home with their personal weapons. To kill them would be seen as shameful. On the other hand, a garrison that fought it out could expect no quarter, a very strong incentive to surrender in good time.

This is not the same Taliban we were presented with in the runup to the American/British invasion in the 2001-2002 timeframe when we were bombarded with ridiculous propaganda like the following cartoon. https://twitter.com/WakeUpMFers/status/808001562798788608/photo/1

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2021 22:29 utc | 112

For some darkly comic relief, peruse the replies to this tweet.
Bin Laden’s Mountain Fortress
LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2021 22:33 utc | 113

Well, what did Reagan say? Ah, right: “to watch the courageous Afghan freedom fighters battle modern arsenals with simple hand-held weapons is an inspiration to those who love freedom”. So inspiring, isn’t it.

Posted by: Joker_vD | Aug 16 2021 22:39 utc | 114

And as the Establishment’s Afghan Narrative self-destructs, so to does its Covid-19 Narrative:
“In short, their narrative is pointing in every which way. CDC Director Walensky stated last week that the vaccine does not prevent Covid infection, nor does it stop the vaccinated person from transmitting the Covid infection, including the Delta variant; the data shows an equally distributed infection rate, regardless of vaccination status, which is admitted by Director Walensky. As such, it is an admission that undercuts the entire argument for compulsory vaccines. According to the Director, the only benefit from the vaccine now is presumably that it might reduce the severity of symptoms.
“If a vaccinated and non-vaccinated person have the same capacity to carry, shed and transmit the virus – with or without symptoms – then what difference does a vaccination passport or vaccination ID make? According to the CDC, both the vaxxed and non-vaxxed person walking into a restaurant, store, group, venue or workplace present the exact same risk to other people there, so how does the presentation of proof of vaccine make the difference?” [My Emphasis]
This is the same argument my wife and I are making. Even the usual rebuttal–full vaccination prevents serious illness–no longer works now that more fully vaxxed people are dying, although so far none vaxxed with Sputnik-V, Sinovac, or other Russian or Chinese vaccinations.
Most aware of Establishment Narratives know they’re meant to mislead the believers to the benefit of the Establishment. But now–and suddenly–two major Narratives have died or very nearly so. Which Narrative will be next? Woke?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 22:41 utc | 115

Many thanks to the barfly who recently provided the Wikileaks document on Australian/US rare earth diplomatic cables:
https://failedevolution.blogspot.com/2021/07/wikileaks-reveals-what-else-is-behind.html
Here is the [almost] ‘ultimate’ guide to these stocks. Lynas is not alone:
https://smallcaps.com.au/rare-earth-stocks-asx-ultimate-guide/
Disclosure; I have a very modest holding of rare earth and green energy shares.

Posted by: Paaul | Aug 16 2021 22:43 utc | 116

@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2021 22:33 utc | 111
I remember Donald Rumsfeld saying that they didn’t have just one of those fortresses.
I perused the replies. One particularly funny one seems to think we actually got Bin Laden in that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
Jeepers, clowns!!

Posted by: librul | Aug 16 2021 22:45 utc | 117

librul @106–
IMO, no “deferred justice” has yet to occur; although Rumsfeld has died, many other guilty souls are still alive, one having just celebrated his 60th birthday by infecting a large portion of his guests–drone attacks of a different sort.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 22:48 utc | 118

@Posted by: librul | Aug 16 2021 22:45 utc | 115
Found the interview!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgWrnahej2c
You have **got** to listen to this (38 seconds) !
Got to.

Posted by: librul | Aug 16 2021 22:49 utc | 119

@Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 22:48 utc | 116
Don’t disagree with you. I had in mind the ignominious exit as a form of justice.

Posted by: librul | Aug 16 2021 22:51 utc | 120

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 22:41 utc | 113
What you call “COVID-19 Narrative” didn’t collapse. If every country followed science (lockdown + a worldwide vaccination program), there would be no variant Delta. So the opposite happened: the “COVID-19 Narrative” was confirmed.

Posted by: vk | Aug 16 2021 22:54 utc | 121

As German military plane FAILS to land in Kabul, Merkel calls US-led Afghanistan mission ‘NOT AS SUCCESSFUL’ as hoped

Overcrowding on the runway at Kabul airport has forced a German military plane to divert and refuel without evacuating anyone on the ground. Meanwhile, Chancellor Angela Merkel bemoaned the lack of “success” in Afghanistan.
Three Luftwaffe Airbus A440M transport planes took off from Wunstorf, in Germany, on Monday, bound for Kabul. Carrying paratroopers for security, the aircraft were set to evacuate German diplomats and citizens stranded in Afghanistan following the Taliban’s swift takeover of the country.
However, Kabul airport was overrun with crowds of Afghans desperately attempting to hitch a ride out of the country on American military aircraft, or one of the few grounded commercial planes remaining on the tarmac. As a result, the first of the German planes was unable to land, Lieutenant General Markus Laubenthal told broadcaster ZDF.
As the first plane was diverted to Uzbekistan to refuel, the German military posted an update saying the second A440M was circling overhead, but it, too, was prevented from landing due to the masses of people blocking the runway.

A400M is a 4-engines Turboprop.
No way to land and roll with crowded runways. A new day is dawning in Kabul.
“sauve qui-peut et chacun pour soi”

German Chancellor Angela Merkel is a rare Western leader in that she has been in power for nearly the entire duration of the war in Afghanistan, having taken office in 2005. Speaking to reporters on Monday, Merkel celebrated the fact that her country’s military intervened to stop Al-Qaeda from repeating its September 11, 2001 attacks on the US, but remarked that “everything else that has followed has not been as successful and has not been achieved in the way that we had planned.”
The Taliban’s return to power was “particularly dramatic and terrible,” she said, adding her commiserations to the families of the 59 German soldiers who died in Afghanistan over the course of the two-decade war.
In addition to its own diplomats and citizens, Germany intends to evacuate locals who assisted its armed forces. More than 1,800 of these Afghans and their family members have already arrived in Germany, out of an expected group of nearly 2,500, according to the German military.

However, Merkel plans on rolling out the welcome mat to around 10,000 Afghans in total,
she told her party colleagues at a meeting on Monday. These would include activists, lawyers, and others deemed at risk from Taliban rule, Reuters reported.
Merkel appears unwilling to repeat her 2015 decision to welcome in refugees and migrants en masse.

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 16 2021 22:58 utc | 122

@Posted by: vk | Aug 16 2021 20:55 utc | 82
“There was a sensationalist article from the Spanish MSM newspaper El Pais yesterday claiming girls’ schools were being closed in Kabul, teacher tearfully saying goodbye to their students. Fake news.”
But, who are the main shareholders at that paper? A clue, Larry Fink, and, then, well, US banks and Corps….
The day before the take over of Kabul, all the Spanish media, including Lo País, abandoned for a second the Covid fearmongering and continuous fake news on immunization capacity of the mRNA vaccines, plus the hysterical calls for to vaccinate the whole Spanish population including now even babies and pregnant women, for all reporting at unison, full coverage, on wildfires, blaming them all on “climate change”, which leads one to suspect coordinated arsonism…as coordinated is everything they do…
Curiously, and without suspecting any conflict of interest, of course, Larry Fink is also main shareholder at Pfizer…This is why neither Lo País, nor any other Spanish media for that matter, reports ever on any side effect of the mRNA vaccines, nor about the numbers of vaccinated hospitalized and at ICUs while, instead, if ever there is a non-vaccinated who catches Covid, they show him/her at full cover at unison, with no few schadenfreude…
The last tendence, still not reaching Lo País, but already at far-right media, is labelling the unvaccinated as terrorists….
Go to guess which is the agenda of these people…Hmmmm….
Have you seen last estimates of terrorist menace by DHS?

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 16 2021 23:06 utc | 123

Trump:
Make America Go Away
Biden:
America is backfooted

Posted by: Lurk | Aug 16 2021 23:07 utc | 124

Tom P @ 29 said in part;
“Please concentrate our national energy on the problems that matter most, and leave other nations to decide their own fate.”
EXACTLY!!!!!

Posted by: vetinLA | Aug 16 2021 23:15 utc | 125

@ vk | Aug 16 2021 22:54 utc | 119
Isn’t this thread on Afghanistan?
Trump just said something

“It’s not that we left Afghanistan. It’s the grossly incompetent way we left!”

You know what Dr. VK?
“It’s not coronavirus . It’s the grossly incompetent way they made this Covid-19 narrative !”
“lockdown” is a stupidity. Isolated and treated quickly the infected people [Chinese way] IS NOT A LOCKDOWN. It’s fast as the Fall of Kabul. Not a new 50 years ColdWar.
And BTW to be jabbed with some genetically modified ape Arn or any mixture EXCEPT VACCINES, is not to be vaccinate.
So many people, eating Bioproducts, reading carefully the sticker on Corn no-OGM, and running to be Pfizered.
“le monde est stone”.
Stay tune on thread. And your competency.

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 16 2021 23:16 utc | 126

Martyanov is in fine form today, lol!
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2021/08/making-no-shit-headline-permanentfor.html?m=1

Posted by: Gordog | Aug 16 2021 23:18 utc | 127

@wagelaborer
Those troops leaving Afghanistan.
Any idea how many of them might be addicted to heroin?

Posted by: HelenB | Aug 16 2021 23:19 utc | 128

IMO Biden got out so fast from Afghanistan because he needs the cash from Afghan reserves to pay federal employees this coming fall…It is the same case than Ukrainian gold reserves shipped by ole Yatsenyuk just after Maidan chaos once he was raised to power by the Cookie Woman…
This is why there was no time to think of or organize any withdrawal…and this is why the rest of NATO had no clue….
Biden is just hoarding up cash before the coming crash, impoverishing and indebting our countries by exporting general instructions on pandemic measures while his corporations seize anything of value once our business ruined, as they are doing Hilton Corp. with our hotels, plus crippling the population so that when they become aware they have been looted not be able to revolt….

Posted by: Asha K. | Aug 16 2021 23:26 utc | 129

kudos to karlof1@103 for mentioning the fine Afghan hashish. Memories..
Fermented Kashmir balls were even better though. Oh the days before the hybrid thc bombs wrecked it all.

Posted by: Lurk | Aug 16 2021 23:36 utc | 130

@ Asha K.

cash from Afghan reserves to pay federal employees

To pay federal employees???
JUST ONE helicopter full of cash, not even enough for Hunter to recruit some juicy translators, by any gender necessary.

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 16 2021 23:39 utc | 131

@ Asha K.

cash from Afghan reserves to pay federal employees

JUST ONE chopper and two F-150 full of cash. Could be a pity to waste for employees [even federal]
Just enough for Hunter to recruit some “interpreter”, by any gender necessary. Full wokituded.

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 16 2021 23:45 utc | 132

vk @119–
Sorry to disappoint, but Crooke explains very well how and why the Establishment Covid-Narrative has imploded.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 23:48 utc | 133

Thank you Gordog, reading Martyanov has reduced my anger a little bit even if he let little hope of getting clean and lean out of the spin

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 16 2021 23:59 utc | 134

U.S. citizens’ self awareness and understanding of who we are is very low. We are spoiled, arrogant, deluded rich kids… including many working class red necks. Here’s one guy who can help our path to recovery: Lt. Colonel Danny Davis, 4 tours of duty, Desert Storm, 1991, Afghanistan, 2005, Iraq, 2009 and again in Afghanistan, 2011. The Guardian article two days ago lays out his consistent argument that the military brass changed the mission early on and lied and lied and lied to the American people about what was going on. U.S. citizens were snookered because we are deluded. Brown skinned people were ground into the dirt.
“The illusion of success could be maintained so long as US and Nato military remained engaged. Now that the military cover is being withdrawn, the ugly and bloody truth is emerging: 20 years’ worth of senior leaders claiming progress, success, and “on the right azimuth” were always fiction.”
The Guardian article is well worth reading (full disclosure, I despise the Guardian) as a means of developing a story line that references military people who were in Afghanistan and who knew the lie along with the many politicians who benefited from the lie. The other important emphasis Danny Davis pushes on is that the mafia power construct which makes up the U.S. empire is heavily embedded into the respective military chains of command. In other words, presidents answer to the military. Not vice versa.
Bottom line, military snookered the easily deluded American taxpayers. Politicians enabled them and prettified the lie. Now it’s exposed. They have some ‘splainin to do.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/14/afghanistan-taliban-us-troops
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/an-army-whistleblower-turns-populist/

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 17 2021 0:05 utc | 135

And to cap the day, here’s what Russia’s Ambassador in Kabul Dmitry Zhirnov said on Soloviev Live:
“There are political forces, the spectrum of political forces is rich, such a patchwork quilt. I can’t get into the head of the Taliban, but it would be logical for them to have such a social support that would provide them with the broadest possible support of all political forces, except for the regime [of Afghan President Ashraf Ghani who fled the country]. But he escaped, he is no longer there. And the Taliban guaranteed amnesty for ordinary officials, ordinary soldiers, they will not touch anyone.”
So, some form of coalition will be installed to be followed by a new constitution I’d imagine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2021 0:08 utc | 136

Heard told that the German people are considering the option of out-sourcing to the Taliban, the job of getting the US to end the 75-year occupation of their country…

Posted by: nudge | Aug 17 2021 0:22 utc | 137

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 22:41 utc | 113 and others
You asked what good a vaccination “passport” might do. Given what we know about the disease and the vaccines, I think it’s pretty safe to say that while vaccinated individuals (regardless of the type of vaccine?) are susceptible to catching COVID-19 and the delta variant and spreading it, in the case of countries (or states) mandating individuals entering their borders be vaccinated, they might be looking out for their ICU bed capacity. Vaccinated individuals are much less likely to require hospitalization and depending on the number of tourists entering or citizens/residents returning from other places, at least they’d have some assurance that those individuals won’t be taking up valuable space in hospitals?
As far as corporate vaccine passport mandates, who knows. I guess it varies by company and what other measures they are undertaking to prevent the spread within the confines of their own facilities. Just a “vaccine passport” without any masking or distancing (or enhanced ventilation/filtration) would seem to be a waste of time and effort, but I haven’t looked into that since I’ve been working from home for more than 10 years.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 17 2021 0:25 utc | 138

All this begs one question; Will our corporate empire have enough sense to deal with the Taliban for the rare earth minerals, and gold in Afghanistan, or will China or Russia do it first?
We’ve tried bombs to do it, maybe we should try dialog instead.

Posted by: vetinLA | Aug 17 2021 0:35 utc | 139

typical american response – “Biden blames Taliban’s success & last-minute evacuation from Afghanistan on failures of Ghani’s government.” funny thing about blame… no opportunity for self reflection and acknowledging your own role in any of it… just put it on someone else! this long list of blaming others seems an american politicians specialty!
in answer to my own question earlier – it was canada that designated the taliban as a terrorist organization in 2013.. they renewed it in 2018… all under little stevie harper, (shoe shine boy for the usa gov’t) leadership…. this election coming up – we have no leaders to choose from sept 20th here in canada.. such is life at the moment…

Posted by: james | Aug 17 2021 0:35 utc | 140

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 22:20 utc | 103
Interesting proposition Karlof, me too. Especially the black stuff. The soft Afghan hash is easy to roll.
II recently saw a shocking RT documentary showing an Afghan mother and father forced to sell their kidneys simply to feed their six children. I couldn’t bring myself to watch any more, it was heartbreaking. No wonder they join the Taliban, at least they get a feed and some trickle of money.
With all the trillions spent on hi tech weaponry the alien occupiers couldn’t supply basic food security.
As an economic solution, call it neo-liberal if you like.
Why can’t the world simply help the Afghans do what they do best, grow opium and marijuana and then process it. After all its legal in many states and countries?
Cresco Pharmaceutical [CXO] is listed on both the ASX and the TSX. There are many others too. It’s OK for them, let the market decide as the neo-libs would say.
That industry would give them something to defend and some money for food.
A modern well built and regulated factory would give Afghanistan a vertically integrated industry to supply a legal product to the world market. There is a demand for the products.
I know intoxicants are haram in Islam. I know some Muslims and others use raw opium mixed with lemon juice, rubbed, you know where, to prolong the sexual experience!
Over to you SCO, build them a factory. Who cares about Big Pharma, let them compete in the free market world!

Posted by: Paul | Aug 17 2021 0:37 utc | 141

Karlof, big thanks for pointing to the Crooke essay on covid, vaccines etc! 👍
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/08/16/a-long-hot-angry-summer/
I don’t want any part in this debate because I believe most strongly that health matters are a fundamentally PERSONAL issue.
However, our overlords have taken it upon themselves to take away this fundamental choice.
I will say this: when have they ever told us the truth about ANYTHING?
I will also say that in matters of science that I do know, namely airplanes and missiles and such—that the US is getting LESS competent, not more.
None of these things work very well at all. Why should a ‘vaccine’ be an exception?
Biology and living cells are infinitely more complicated than airplanes and rocket engines. With infinitely more unknown unknowns.
People assume we are scientifically ‘advanced.’ That’s not the case when it comes to medical science. We know very very little with any real certainty.

Posted by: Gordog | Aug 17 2021 0:50 utc | 142

I posted my thoughts on the previous Afghan thread and sorry but I’m gonna repost it on this one–
“I find it very satisfying that the Afghanis did not wait for the unbelievable arrogant 9/11 departure date to kick their asses out.
They could have trapped them or slaughtered them but they chose humiliation. Sweet.
Also shows a level of maturity not seen in the west.

Posted by: arby | Aug 17 2021 0:53 utc | 143

Just took a quick peak at comments on one ZH article about this withdrawal.
Same same arrogance, same slurring, the exceptionalism is deeply ingrained.

Posted by: arby | Aug 17 2021 1:02 utc | 144

Posted by: Max | Aug 16 2021 19:28 utc | 58
“Taliban rout exposes US intelligence failings on Afghanistan”
https://archive.is/s2cRb

Posted by: pogohere | Aug 17 2021 1:03 utc | 145

DG @ 92
Opium poppies have been grown in Tasmania since the sixties.
As I understand it the new strain poppy (~2000) was high in thebaine and nil morphine.
Where that shines in terms of addiction is for prescribed drugs; so called ‘licit’ sales. Good for Johnson & Johnson & the like but more a parallel to, not a substitute for, any Afghanistan sourced opium trade.

Posted by: Taz | Aug 17 2021 1:06 utc | 146

Posted by: vk | Aug 16 2021 22:54 utc | 119

What you call “COVID-19 Narrative” didn’t collapse. If every country followed science (lockdown + a worldwide vaccination program), there would be no variant Delta. So the opposite happened: the “COVID-19 Narrative” was confirmed.

The shots dont prevent infection, they allegedly make symptoms less severe.
Evolution theory tells us that a pathogen will make itself more virulent, but less harmful, to ensure its spread.
Exactly what we are seeing.

Posted by: DeQuincey | Aug 17 2021 1:11 utc | 147

Correction, Re my post @ Posted by: Paul | Aug 17 2021 0:37 utc | 138
Cresco Pharma is CPH not CXO.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 17 2021 1:13 utc | 148

Yeah, it does seem kinda mindblowing that the talibans don’t wear masks.
Anyway, now comes the rebuilding part. I hope Pakistan, China and Russia provide them a lot of support.

Posted by: Smith | Aug 17 2021 1:17 utc | 149

thesaker.is didn’t send any data”
Posted by: Per/Norway | Aug 16 2021 18:39 utc | 41\\
I have a post from him at 2:30 ESD = Failing hard drive. Down a couple of hours.

Posted by: Ru-Paul Simon LeGree | Aug 17 2021 1:19 utc | 150

On the other hand, this is a much worse scene than Saigon, look like a zombie movie.

Posted by: Smith | Aug 17 2021 1:20 utc | 151

Posted by: Per/Norway | Aug 16 2021 19:13 utc | 53
8-13-21
https://tinyurl.com/dtryrhuh
30:36
data
https://tinyurl.com/327rajpd

Posted by: pogohere | Aug 17 2021 1:27 utc | 152

Posted by: vetinLA |
“All this begs one question; Will our corporate empire have enough sense to deal with the Taliban for the rare earth minerals, and gold in Afghanistan, ”
If I were the Taliban I would tell your corporate empire to go fuck itself.

Posted by: arby | Aug 17 2021 1:35 utc | 153

Now the real numbers come out. Just hours ago, this general said there were now 2,500 troops in Kabul. More on the way.
https://mobile.twitter.com/rwmalonemd/status/1423332834282979329

Posted by: Gordog | Aug 17 2021 2:01 utc | 154

This the braggart general Mike Milley, listen and laugh,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDmbLZC_zgk

Posted by: Grishka | Aug 17 2021 2:10 utc | 155

News Central Asia
Afghanistan: Why the Taliban takeover was so fast and bloodless – what next now
8-16-21

Ghost army, ghost police
Low morale, no sense of purpose
Rampant corruption
Cosmetic progress
Population felt helpless

Posted by: pogohere | Aug 17 2021 2:17 utc | 156

Lots of fall-out in Australia about this. Veterans of our involvement find little comfort in the political justifications for the loss of comrades essentially for nothing. The comparisons with Vietnam thus go quite deep. We are left here with the scandal of atrocities committed by our SAS on top of the emptiness felt at the utter futility of lives and opportunities lost all for the adventurism of neo-con criminals who’ll never be held accountable. Even conservatives here are questioning the long-term future of our alliance with the US, which must now be properly re-evaluated. It won’t be though. Australia will march to hell with the US because we are racist, insecure, settler oligarchs who wouldn’t stand a chance without a colonial overlord telling us what to do and think.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 17 2021 2:19 utc | 157

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Hanging on to the fuselage of an accelerating jet is not very bright. You fellows betrayed your own country cuz you thought uncle sugar would land you on easy street, so YOU could be the big man with the M16s and the armored Escalade. Well, you guessed wrong. And fuck you I don’t want you in my country and I owe you nothing for a war I never wanted and that was paid for with my money against my will. Sorry, hajji, I’m all out if fucks to give.

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Aug 17 2021 2:50 utc | 158

Ghani should have had Bitcoin. Wouldn’t need all those suitcases.

Posted by: Jezabeel | Aug 17 2021 3:06 utc | 159

pogohere | Aug 17 2021 1:27 utc | 149
Thanks for link to Dr. Zelenko’s warnings re the Covid-19 scene and mis-treatment protocols.

Posted by: chu teh | Aug 17 2021 3:11 utc | 160

So I’m seeing a lot of USian conservatives voice demeaning ol’ Biden for doing what Trump was supposed to do.
Hmmm, maybe that’s why they want Trump back, they want boots in Afghanistan again.

Posted by: Smith | Aug 17 2021 3:54 utc | 161

Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2021 22:33 utc | 111
There was also Saddam’s bunker made of meter thick concrete and mounted on giant springs.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6861/308/400/bunkdiag.jpg

Posted by: Keith McClary | Aug 17 2021 3:59 utc | 162

Tom_Q_Collins #104

Obviously the story goes on, and it speaks to how Afghanistan, while a country of tribes, families and sects is really a country that runs on deal making. The Taliban have been making deals with members of the Afghan Army and many Afghani families hedge their loyalties by sending one son off to fight with the Taliban and another son off to the Army. Hence, when one side or the other loses (usually the Army) the family is welcomed in by the victors.
Pretty interesting and helped me understand how this has all happened so quickly.

That is precisely right and the USA had lost its seat at the table the minute Ayatolla Mike was ashed. Thereafter the Taliban just stormed ahead as the only ‘credible US negotiator’ was dealt with. To know why Ayatolla Mike was ashed just ask Iranian General Qasem Soleimani or the leader of Iraq’s PMU Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. The red flag still flies at the mosque. From that moment on there would be no tolerating occupation beyond the agreed May Day date.
This is very similar to the englander retreat from Kabul in that the lead english political officer and negotiator Sir Alexander Burnes was eliminated early in the restoration of Afghanistan sovereignty.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 17 2021 4:44 utc | 163

Another disaster ?
Tell that to the MIC !

People say the Pentagon does not have a strategy,’ he said. ‘They are wrong. The Pentagon does have a strategy. It is: “Don’t interrupt the money flow, add to it.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/56727.htm

Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2021 4:54 utc | 164

corvo @68:
Military I would say yes. Does the CIA know that? That’s the question that determine whether there will be another invasion. Unlikely in my view.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 17 2021 5:07 utc | 165

vk 88
I believe those two headlines are perhaps first and foremost in the SCO/Afghan deal. The multi-polar world is taking shape.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 17 2021 5:34 utc | 166

Sigh!!!! How in hell did we sink so low???
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 16 2021 20:21 utc | 73
…..
The magic of western democracy. Whoever controls the media controls democracy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 17 2021 5:42 utc | 167

Afghanistan had been a constant drain for the USA in the past 20 years. The pictures from Kabul might look dramatic but in the medium to long run the retreat from Afghanistan will strengthen the USA. People who feel “emboldened” now to push further will experience some nasty surprises.
My best wishes to the Afghan people and it`s new government. May they finally get peace and make Afghanistan a modern and successfull country.

Posted by: m | Aug 17 2021 5:47 utc | 168

karlof1
Your views on what is happening re Afghanistan seem similar to mine. Any thoughts on Taliban and SCO?
Iran has a religious leader as head of state plus president and prime minister. I’m wondering if Afghanistan will go that way or something very similar.
I take it the Taliban meetings with Iran, Russia, China were not to discus the weather.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 17 2021 5:57 utc | 169

What is the Taliban’s brand of Islam? Have they converted to wahhabism or still follow their traditional brand?
Most places, being converted to wahhabi brand by saudi clerics isthe precursor to the AQ/ISIS type terrorist groups.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 17 2021 6:37 utc | 170

Don’t Weiwei about or, Hollywood will soon make a film proving Amerikastan won after all.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 17 2021 7:01 utc | 171

*worry about it

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 17 2021 7:01 utc | 172

@ ak74 | Aug 16 2021 22:27 utc | 108

If the War on Terrorism is a lie, then the Reichstag Fire event that catalyzed it—the September 11th “terrorist” attacks—are highly likely to be a lie as well….

Of course it is. You can analyze it from a geopolitical perspective or from a pure engineering perspective, but the conclusion is the same. It wasn’t “Bin Laden” or anyone like that behind it, the narrative presented wasn’t even physically possible to have happened they way they said. As we have known for 20 years, that Reichstag Fire event was planned and executed by “local resources” with the clear goal of establishing a terror/shock situation that would enable starting wars like they did.
And this technique was so successful that it has been repeated.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 17 2021 7:31 utc | 173

Michael Hudson gives his unadorned opinion on the Afghan situation:
Biden forfeits his Afghan victory by defending his Deep State advisors

Posted by: vato | Aug 17 2021 7:44 utc | 174

It seems to me that the real coup that taken place is not the one in Afghanistan by the Taliban, but the one behind the scenes by Mr Biden against his military industrial complex. And that is probably what has made some people very angry. The scenes created in Afghanistan may have been due to deliberate omission in order to make the political leadership look like idiots.
Let’s see if Mr Biden is able to consolidate on his plot and bring all those plane loads of money back to the communities where it belongs.

Posted by: Hey There | Aug 17 2021 7:48 utc | 175

“A scene from Der Untergang is fitting now. Biden is in his bunker as the empire falls around him.” – Norwegian @ 2
Things must be tense at the White House.
Perhaps a pizza would help?
“Hitler Orders a Pizza”
https://youtu.be/CbwlOIRiC4k

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 17 2021 7:48 utc | 176

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 17 2021 2:19 utc | 154
perhaps they should demonstrate this questioning of the US alliance by repatriating Assange.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 17 2021 7:58 utc | 177

@ Gordog | Aug 17 2021 0:50 utc | 139

I don’t want any part in this debate because I believe most strongly that health matters are a fundamentally PERSONAL issue.

Yes. After 9 months I am back at work and a manager asked (not in a capacity of manager, but anyway) me if I was ‘vaccinated’ . I told him that he should not ask such a question. I believe it must be clear that asking such a question is taboo.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 17 2021 8:00 utc | 178

“As Andrei Martyanov writes:
The world took notice and the United States handed the victory to Islamic fanatics and thus emboldened them, the same way the United States fanned the flames of Political Islam in 1980s and helped to form the force which is radically anti-civilizational in its essence.
This IS the main failure of the combined West and it will be, yet again, up to someone else to clean this fucking mess after the US, whose political and military “elites” not only did not learn shit from anything but are incapable of learning. In that, when combined with a myriad of other economic, scientific, cultural and moral failures, modern West, headed by the United States, declared itself a failure. Events in Kabul today demonstrate perfectly and are the epitome of the modern West. “
An analysis of Mr. Martyanov’s productions over the years lead some to the conclusion that he regrets that the “US, whose political and military “elites” not only did not learn shit from anything but are incapable of learning”, and lead some to investigate his purposes.
Some with other purposes including but not restricted to “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback ?” at least from 1968 onwards realised that “US, whose political and military “elites” not only rarely learned from anything as part of their “exceptionalism”, but could be capable of learning” and that this was potentially a major vector in facilitating “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback ?”. This informed and facilitated the ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” by “The Russian Federation, the lateral processes of frustration of various attempts at “colour revolutions” primarily for people of colour, including in Afghanistan, and continues to aid the lateral process of the transcendence of “The United States of America” whose propensity to reflex vindictiveness will likely further aid.
“up to someone else to clean this fucking mess “
Mr. Matyanov’s notion of sole agency reflects the view of ““US, whose political and military “elites….” thereby obfuscating the possibility that such can be remedied by cooperation which will likely preclude the participation of “The United States of America” by various participants and the benefits derived therefrom, which also aided “Events in Kabul today”. The “internet” in conjunction with 50 years of attempts of “dumbing down” the populace not only in “Us”, tends to limit the capacities of some to analyse “sources”, thereby creating “virtual realities” where spectators can attempt to “present” themselves as “practitioners” and obtain the complicity of others in sustaining this illusion. Mr. Martyanov is just one of many including “The Saker” who are engaged in this “shit”, which is yet another vector of “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback ?” for those capable of rendering others “useful fools” with their complicity, enhanced in lands with extensive reliance on “snake oil salesmen”.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 17 2021 8:00 utc | 179

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2021 23:48 utc | 130
Just because Alistair Crooke writes something doesn’t mean one has to embrace it uncritically. Many links he provides to his claims come directly from the Zero Hedge cesspool. Why does he even lump together vaccine discourse with LBGTQ right and climate emergency (which he btw puts in question as to indicate that there is none)??

Posted by: v | Aug 17 2021 8:17 utc | 180

Posted by: vato | Aug 17 2021 7:44 utc | 172
Hudson is incorrect when saying “President Biden could have come out and washed away the blame by saying: “Just before the weekend, I was told by my army generals and national security advisors that it would take months for the Taliban to conquer Afghanistan, and certainly to take control of Kabul, which supposedly would be a bloody fight.””
Biden was complicit in this Afghanistan Deep State criminality from the time of the his Obama vice presidency. He could not go against “the propaganda that has guided U.S. policy since George W. Bush decided to invade after 9/11” because he had officially been an integral part of it for eight years previously.
Only a new voic, like Trump’s could have done so, but of course, he did not, or did not have time because he was no longer president. In any case, I do not hear him putting the blame on the deep state, either, just Biden.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 17 2021 8:20 utc | 181

Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2021 4:54 utc | 162
Very good article by Andrew Cochburn. Clearly, the MIC may have “lost” the war, but it surely “won” the piece (of the action).
The purpose of these wars is the political and economic enrichment of the US oligarchy.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 17 2021 8:41 utc | 182

http://thesaker.is
site appears to be down since yesterday, anyone else notice as well?

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 17 2021 9:08 utc | 183

Dear barflies, do you have to infect every thread with your covid nonsense

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 17 2021 9:23 utc | 184

?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 17 2021 9:34 utc | 185

Why the heck are people talking about covid here instead of OT. The Saker had the right instinct in dealing with this topic…
What gets me is that few people seem to smell the obvious: Western governments are agitating that Russian agents are promoting anti-vaxx disinformation online. As anyone here around should know, this is typical projection and misdirection from the US. What this means is that they’re basically acknowledging that they are doing massive anti-vaxx campaigns on Russian and most probably Chinese social media. The goal is obvious: to kill Russians and increase trouble for the government. That some pro-Russian / anti-imperialists enthusiasts are taken in for a ride by the anti-vaxx claims seemingly coming from Russia and “alternative sources” and will get dangerously ill or die will obviously bee seen as a bonus by the powers-that-be.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 17 2021 9:53 utc | 186

The Taliban should “weaponize” the collaborators and anyone else who wants to leave and I don’t mean use them as suicide bombers. Keep Kabul airport open and open other airports to allow the evacuation of all the collaborators, prisoners and other evacuees, even deliver them to the airports and then watch the West rip itself apart deciding which countries should take them. I think they can rely on United States and United Kingdom taking less than their fair shares. How long will the EU survive? After Europe realises its been shafted by the United States and United Kingdom, how much longer will the Atlanticists in Europe last?

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 17 2021 10:01 utc | 187

In my old age I’ve become a bit of a cynic, to me those video streams of Afghanis running along side the US military cargo plane seemed staged, maybe I’m wrong but they wouldn’t be the first staged videos to maximise the effects on the public, and their opinion, of one group or another for Western benefit, to allow future consent to carry whatever needs to be done in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 17 2021 10:08 utc | 188

It seems to me that the real coup that taken place is not the one in Afghanistan by the Taliban, but the one behind the scenes by Mr Biden against his military industrial complex. And that is probably what has made some people very angry. The scenes created in Afghanistan may have been due to deliberate omission in order to make the political leadership look like idiots.
Let’s see if Mr Biden is able to consolidate on his plot and bring all those plane loads of money back to the communities where it belongs.

Posted by: Hey There | Aug 17 2021 7:48 utc | 173Posted by: Hey There | Aug 17 2021 7:48 utc | 173
Yes. Allowing that all the excitement in Kabul is real, I’m watching what Biden is doing, he is way out of form here. And Lindsey is attacking him again after just apologizing for being rude about Hunter. Biden gets to be the guy that ended it, everybody else looks like an idiot.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 17 2021 10:11 utc | 189

Since MoonofAlabama is a proto agora which some access to capture data-streams which are subsequently “interpreted”, perhaps having access to some data-streams to which others seek to naively restrict access despite “the surveillance state” may prove illuminating.
They include but are not limited to :
“Jimmy Carter’s effort to sucker the Soviet Union into their “Vietnam” backfired”
“Exceptionalists” tend to believe they have prime agency since they believe that their “exceptionalism” is predicated upon this designated as “hegemony”, in hope that others will share their beliefs, and on this many myths are constructed.
In any lateral system designating “start” points”,”end points” and trajectories are extremely difficult and hence those with limited analytical and strategic facility tend to invent start and end points thereby facilitating and re-enforcing myths through framing.
Detente in the 1970’s between “The Soviet Union” and “The United States of America” was believed by some in the Politburo of “The Soviet Union” to be based upon mutually agreed “spheres of influence”, but were rigorously challenged by others who understood possible consequences of reliance on such illusions – a contributory reason for the restructuring of the KGB from 1971 onwards.
Some in the Politburo sustained their belief by reliance on a mixture of hopes including but not limited to ,
that the significance and untramelled continuation of “The Soviet Union” had finally been recognised by “The United States of America”,
that “The United States of America” had become agreement capable as a consequence of the “Vietnam War”,
that this was further enchanced by “The United States of America” moving off the gold standard,
through their own “interpretations” of the “rapproachment” between “The United States of America” and “The People’s Republic of China” which deflected possible Japanese-Soviet infrastructure developments from 1972 onwards by focusing on BAM (Baikal-Amur railway) and accelerating and widening developing Siberian oil fields.
and through their assigned significances and “interpretations” of the “detente movement” in “The United States of America”, including the efforts of Mr. Cohen, Mr. Mearsheimer and others.
Some in the Politburo from 1976 onwards perceived Afghanistan as being within the Soviet sphere of influence, and hence when asked for assistance from the government of Afghanistan, under notions of Socialist solidarity Soviet forces entered Afghanistan importing a derivative of “racial notions” that informed Soviet practices in Central Asia.
Some coercive social relations encourage the seeking of attribution, and this practice affords some opportunities to re-enforce notions of prime agency whilst simultaneously creating tools with which to “influence” those seeking attribution – notions of none is more loyal than he who is completely compromised refer.
The Politburo did not require the “encouragement” of “The United States of America” to enter Afghanistan in 1979, or fall victim to the schemes of Mr. Brzezinsky, or others annointed by Hollywood films – they were stupid enough themselves.
The study of Polish strategy from the Second Republic onwards i.e. from 1919 onwards was not of prime concern to some involved in development of “strategies”, and hence the various plagiarisms of Mr. Brzezinsky went unchallenged, and reliance on the views of Mr. Pilsudski and his associates believed to be the products of the “erudition” of Mr. Brzezinsky and others, enjoyed extended half lives in respect of attempted colour revolutions in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, and other forays including but not restricted to the “Us” invasion of Afghanistan..
In coercive social relations those so immersed are loathe to “accept blame” – the obverse of seeking attribution – and attempt to attribute that to others.
Mr. McGovern suggests that the “Four Generals” responsible for “surges” should take the blame, which others would welcome; some welcoming because by doing do this it would obfuscate what happened and the continued ignorance of opponents would facilitate further opportunities to transcend the opponents, as do the attempted “smart” machinations in High Courts and elsewhere not restricted in regard to Mr. Assange.
Consortium News attempt 09-00 UTC August 16 2021
MagdaTam
August 16, 2021 at 11:50
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
“There is no ideology behind the prosecution of Assange.”
You are mistaken.
The ideology, ergo a sustaining belief facilitating obfuscation and restriction of
perception, is prevalent throughout not restricted to two political parties, is the
ideology of the “rule of law”. The action including some of its trajectories, is in
part an attempt at protecting the ideology of the rule of law which obfuscates
the rule of man.
Some of the offended wish to see Mr. Assange destroyed whilst
a smaller sum of some realise that this would likely be over-extension with
unfortunate consequences.
The notion that “facts speak for themselves” is an
ancillary ideology in emulation of “We the people hold these truths to be selfevident”
which facilitates notions of the possibility that ” Not only is it possible,
but it is a professional responsibility for arbiters, judges, journalists and others
to strive for impartiality.” another ideology that is sought to be protected by the
prosecution of Mr. Assange informed by Mr. Rove’s observation that “You can
fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you should
concentrate on.”
Consortium News attempt.
Enjoy your journeys.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 17 2021 10:24 utc | 190

CAUDINES FORKS
@ Arby #140
I’m surprised that French quote “passer sous les fourches caudines” is just translated humiliating defeat.
That’s one. Roman empire.
Perhaps it’s now only known by some old Latin scholar.
I just copy-paste for you some Wiki

The Battle of Caudine Forks, 321 BC, was a decisive event of the Second Samnite War. Its designation as a battle is a mere historical formality: there was no fighting and there were no casualties. The Romans were trapped in an enclosed valley by the Samnites before they knew what was happening and nothing remained but to negotiate an unfavorable surrender. The action was entirely political, with the magistrates on both sides trying to obtain the best terms for their side without disrespecting common beliefs concerning the rules of war and the conduct of peace. In the end the Samnites decided it would be better for future relations to let the Romans go, while the Romans were impeded in the prosecution of their campaign against the Samnites by considerations of religion and honor.

“C’est savoureux !”
But as wrote Martianov, they will never learn.

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 17 2021 10:37 utc | 191

Grishka #152

This the braggart general Mike Milley, listen and laugh,
“>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDmbLZC_zgk

Thank you for a glimpse into the worm filled head of an exceptional fool.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 17 2021 10:39 utc | 192

All this heartwarming Keystone Cops hilarity had me of a mind to get drunk in celebration and let rip with a few shouts of “Allahu akbar!” (I’m Catholic.) But no. I see that the Taliban are yet to start shelling an apparently target-rich environment. Why not kill thousands of foreign troops holed up in the one place? Why not shoot German transport aircraft out of the sky? What, I ask, is this apparent let-bygones-be-bygones crap? This is their last chance to really hurt the Western nations that pissed on them for so long. To not only humiliate, but to radically up the body count all at once (the only way it is ever noticed).

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Aug 17 2021 10:54 utc | 194

Bemildred #191 etc
Thank you, it is a fascinating spectacle. So many preconceived notion tearing apart in the fresh winds of change.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 17 2021 10:58 utc | 195

After Europe realises its been shafted by the United States and United Kingdom, how much longer will the Atlanticists in Europe last?
Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 17 2021 10:01 utc | 185

Europe, Europe… Some are as good as Americans. Just heared Macron, only worry for too much Afghans asking for coming. Weaponize even an humiliating defeat.
But perhaps Germany is awakening. Merkel Sunday, and yesterday Armin Laschet [supposed to be next Chancellor in a few weeks]


“größte Debakel, das die Nato seit ihrer Gründung” erleide. Man stehe “vor einem Epochenwechsel”.

“the biggest debacle that NATO has suffered since its foundation.” we are “in front of a change of epoch.”

And BTW, NS2 will be soon finished with the nonchalant Russian manner.

“passez, cher ami sous les fourches caudines”

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 17 2021 10:58 utc | 196

120 Rêver
Read the Kommentariat in Der Spiegel,always very mainstream.Now they are fuming about Merkel,Maas,AKK,for stalling their decision for repatriating german nationals while listening to the americans and their services,in stead of opening their ears to the German ambassador’s warnings.This could play out heavily in the upcoming elections,their Mali program is at risk as wall.

Posted by: willie | Aug 17 2021 11:02 utc | 197

Bemildred #191 etc
Thank you, it is a fascinating spectacle. So many preconceived notion tearing apart in the fresh winds of change.Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 17 2021 10:58 utc | 19
Thank you.
“The Hinge of History, and You are there.”
It is very nice to contemplate some real change in a positive direction, or at least less cartoonishly evil, too.
A privilege, a gift, to be here.
Regards.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 17 2021 11:10 utc | 198

RE: Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 17 2021 10:24 utc | 188
MagdaTam
August 16, 2021 at 04:58
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
“Jimmy Carter’s effort to sucker the Soviet Union into their “Vietnam” backfired”
“Exceptionalists” tend to believe they have prime agency since they believe that their
“exceptionalism” is predicated upon this designated as “hegemony”, in hope that
others will share their beliefs, and on this many myths are constructed.
In any lateral system designating “start” points”,”end points” and trajectories are
extremely difficult and hence those with limited analytical and strategic facility tend
to invent start and end points thereby facilitating and re-enforcing myths through
framing.
Detente in the 1970’s between “The Soviet Union” and “The United States of
America” was believed by some in the Politburo of “The Soviet Union” to be based
upon mutually agreed “spheres of influence”, but were rigorously challenged by
others who understood possible consequences of reliance on such illusions – a
contributory reason for the restructuring of the KGB from 1971 onwards.
Some in the Politburo sustained their belief by reliance on a mixture of hopes
including but not limited to ,
that the significance and untramelled continuation of “The Soviet Union” had finally
been recognised by “The United States of America”,
that “The United States of America” had become agreement capable as a
consequence of the “Vietnam War”,
that this was further enchanced by “The United States of America” moving off the
gold standard,
through their own “interpretations” of the “rapproachment” between “The United
States of America” and “The People’s Republic of China” which deflected possible
Japanese-Soviet infrastructure developments from 1972 onwards by focusing on
BAM (Baikal-Amur railway) and accelerating and widening developing Siberian oil
fields.
and through their assigned significances and “interpretations” of the “detente
movement” in “The United States of America”, including the efforts of Mr. Cohen,
Mr. Mearsheimer and others.
Some in the Politburo from 1976 onwards perceived Afghanistan as being within the
Soviet sphere of influence, and hence when asked for assistance from the government
of Afghanistan, under notions of Socialist solidarity Soviet forces entered
Afghanistan importing a derivative of “racial notions” that informed Soviet practices
in Central Asia.
Some coercive social relations encourage the seeking of attribution, and this practice
affords some opportunities to re-enforce notions of prime agency whilst
simultaneously creating tools with which to “influence” those seeking attribution –
notions of none is more loyal than he who is completely compromised refer.
The Politburo did not require the “encouragement” of “The United States of America”
to enter Afghanistan in 1979, or fall victim to the schemes of Mr. Brzezinsky, or
others annointed by Hollywood films – they were stupid enough themselves.
The study of Polish strategy from the Second Republic onwards i.e. from 1919
onwards was not of prime concern to some involved in development of “strategies”,
and hence the various plagiarisms of Mr. Brzezinsky went unchallenged, and reliance
on the views of Mr. Pilsudski and his associates believed to be the products of the
“erudition” of Mr. Brzezinsky and others, enjoyed extended half lives in respect of
attempted colour revolutions in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, and other forays
including but not restricted to the “Us” invasion of Afghanistan..
In coercive social relations those so immersed are loathe to “accept blame” – the
obverse of seeking attribution – and attempt to attribute that to others.
Mr. McGovern suggests that the “Four Generals” responsible for “surges” should take
the blame, which others would welcome; some welcoming because by doing do this it
would obfuscate what happened and the continued ignorance of opponents would
facilitate further opportunities to transcend the opponents, as do the attempted
“smart” machinations in High Courts and elsewhere not restricted in regard to Mr.
Assange.
“ which deflected possible Japanese-Soviet infrastructure developments from 1972 onwards”
The 1973 version of joint Japanese-Soviet infrastructure developments by respresentative s of the zaibatsu and the Soviet Academy of Sciences , had as its first phase the upgrading of Nahodka port and the trans-Siberian railroad financed by the plethora of “US dollars” which Japan had accumulated since “The United States of America” left the gold standard in 1971. The termination of these discussions by the Politburo facilitated the re-integration of Japan into the “US sphere of influence” , the increased financialisation of the Japanese economyand many years of stagnation in Japan.
A meeting of the previous participants was convened in May 1993 in Moscow to develop the project further. These discussion were adjourned into a more private and expansive participation/discussion in 1993, since the appearance and beliefs in weakness of the CIS/Russian Federation by the opponents was deemed to be significant in facilitating the sustainable transcendence of “The Soviet Union” by the Russian Federation as proved to be the case, whilst pursuing developments which became OBOR and related agreements.
Given their board this may have been a contributory reason why Consortium News thought such information should not appear in “the public domain” whilst being accessable to others in “the surveillance state.” as per the norm.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Aug 17 2021 11:19 utc | 199

After Europe realises its been shafted by the United States and United Kingdom, how much longer will the Atlanticists in Europe last?
Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 17 2021 10:01 utc | 185

Europe, Europe… Some are as good as Americans. Just heared Macron, only worry for too much Afghans asking for coming. Weaponize even an humiliating defeat.
But perhaps Germany is awakening. Merkel Sunday,
“in Afghanistan, Germany could not act autonomously. It all depended on decisions taken in the U.S..” and admit making a mistake following the 2010 change in the mission.
and yesterday Armin Laschet [supposed to be next Chancellor in a few weeks]

“größte Debakel, das die Nato seit ihrer Gründung” erleide. Man stehe “vor einem Epochenwechsel”.

“the biggest debacle that NATO has suffered since its foundation.” we are “in front of a change of epoch.”

And BTW, NS2 will be soon finished with the nonchalant Russian manner.

“passez, cher ami sous les fourches caudines” see above my #189

Posted by: Rêver | Aug 17 2021 11:28 utc | 200