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July 12, 2021

U.S. Launches Another Attempt To Regime Change Cuba

Yesterday saw minor protests in Cuba driven by U.S. regime change dollars and by economic problem caused by U.S. sanctions. They were accompanied by a number of newly created accounts on various social media which posted the same slogans over and over again under the #SOSCuba hashtag.

But soon pro-government protesters turned out in larger numbers than the anti-government protesters. Apart from a few scuffles nothing happened and today everything seems to be back to normal.

I consider the whole thing to have been a trial run for some bigger plans. But the operators behind this must feel disappointed. The turnout on the anti-government side was lousy.

The Guardian headlines:

Thousands march in Cuba in rare mass protests amid economic crisis

I doubt that 'thousands' number as pictures and videos, aside from the usual fakes, only showed small demonstrations of dozens to maybe a hundred.

The Guardian piece includes this picture which seems to show quite a number of people.


The caption says:

Anti-government protesters gather at the Maximo Gomez monument in Havana on Sunday. Photograph: Eliana Aponte/AP


Inaugurated in the mid-1930s, this magnificent monument pays homage to Dominican-born General Máximo Gómez, who became Commander in Chief of Cuba’s Liberation Army during the Wars of Independence.

'Anti-government' protesters at a national independence monument?

And what are these flags of the 26 of July movement doing with 'anti-government' protesters?

The 26th of July Movement (Spanish: Movimiento 26 de Julio; M-26-7) was a Cuban vanguard revolutionary organization and later a political party led by Fidel Castro. The movement's name commemorates its 26 July 1953 attack on the army barracks on Santiago de Cuba in an attempt to start the overthrowing of the dictator Fulgencio Batista.

This is considered one of the most important organizations among the Cuban Revolution.

'Anti-government' protesters?

Really, Guardian? Really???

The dude responsible for the nonsense is quite open about it.

President Biden @POTUS - 15:22 UTC · Jul 12, 2021

We stand with the Cuban people as they bravely assert their fundamental and universal rights, and as they all call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering.

Statement by President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. on Protests in Cuba | The White House

Decades of economic suffering in Cuba could be easily ended by the dude above as they are largely caused by 60 years of U.S. sanctions.

This cartoon fits the situation.


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It's becoming increasingly difficult to plumb the depths of Guardian depravity, although its promotion of an unknown hack in the reader comments, then known as Brown Moses, to the perpetrator of the powerful Bellingcat propaganda machine was already some indication of the direction that rag was headed in.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 16:16 utc | 1

Surprisingly, and uncharacteristically, Graun is now admitting its error:

"This article was amended on 12 July 2021. The original agency caption on the image of people on the Máximo Gómez monument incorrectly described them as anti-government protesters. They were actually supporters of the government."

Now if only it retracted the countless other lies it's been propagating . . .

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 16:20 utc | 2

Hmmm..... Connection with Haiti coup to keep it out of the spotlight? The Outlaw US Empire sent FBI, HS and others to take over the investigation but refuses to send troops? Well, clearly the FBI and ilk are more trustworthy and accustomed to covering tracks.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 12 2021 16:27 utc | 3

This post is very wrong.

The protests were an bit disorganized (on the ground at least) but had massive turn out.

Cuban American groups were likely behind the protests, but these demonstrations were as organic as they got.

The "pro-government" rally was not bigger than the anti government rally. Not even in Havana.

5 People were killed by ARMED POLICE that fired UNARMED and poor civilians.

The protests were not driven by US dollars. The protests were driven by the Government's utter incompetence running the country. Recently, the cuban government decided to change the national currency overnight. The government (the only entity allowed to own property and businesses) does not pay its employees in this new currency, instead to obtain the new "national currency" you have to exchange dollars for it. To make matters worse the government (the sole entity allowed to operate stores) decided to only accept the new currency as legal tender. Large swathes of the population lost all of their wealth, they were also sent home due to the pandemic and expected to buy food at exorbitant prices with a currency you can only obtain by having dollars/foreign currency.

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 16:36 utc | 4

Failed in HK.
Failed in Japan.
Failed in Belarus.
Failed in Russia.

Now they run out of space and have to do in Cuba.

These color revolutions will always fall because people cannot feed themselves on US's words.

Posted by: Smith | Jul 12 2021 16:40 utc | 5

Tourism hammered by Coronavirus Epidemic ... not sanctions

"The protests were set off by a dire economic crisis in Cuba, where the coronavirus pandemic has cut off crucial tourism dollars."

No mention of Trump's travel ban and then later designation of Cuba as a 'state sponsor of terrorisms' removing it as a destination for U.S. cruise ships. THAT had NO impact on Cuban tourism.

The Funny thing is that even THIS lie wasn't good enough for our heroes on FOX. To them, blaming Covid for the collapse of tourism was exonerating Communism. The Castro brothers destroyed tourism.

We are such a sick, demented people. It's as if we are stuck in the mindset of a pre-adolescent.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2021 16:44 utc | 6

That could not fail to happen. Why not try it in Cuba too? And already all the Relotius media are salivating with joy.

More proof that Biden is living in the Fifties, a cold warrior who can't get a grip on his own dilapidated joint because his predecessor's sycophants are tripping him up. Another dotard.

Posted by: pnyx | Jul 12 2021 16:44 utc | 7

good catch... Though the CIA has been brain-dead since its inception, it is still a zombie that lurches on stuck in 1958 sucking on a Red Scare it just can't quit. One presumes the aforementioned brain-dead believe that 60+ years of stability in Cuba is because of the Cult of Castro. It's no accident the brain-dead waited until the peaceful transition of power from Raul Castro to foment civil disobedience as the brain-dead are the chief believers in the Cult of Castro. The brain-dead have no idea what a revolution really is. Viva Cuba.

Posted by: gottlieb | Jul 12 2021 16:45 utc | 8

>> Large swathes of the population lost all of their wealth, they were also sent home due to the pandemic and expected to buy food at exorbitant prices with a currency you can only obtain by having dollars/foreign currency.

Tell me about it! Welcome to USA.

Posted by: oglalla | Jul 12 2021 16:45 utc | 9

Cuban | Jul 12 2021 16:36 utc | 4

Boy, they are organized, even MoA they try to invade...

Posted by: pnyx | Jul 12 2021 16:48 utc | 10

Not every protest is a colour revolution, though no doubt they will be taking measures to take advantage of it.

Sometimes people have e legitimate grievances.

The Cuban government formally ended its dual currency system on Friday, devaluing its peso for the first time since the 1959 revolution that swept the late Fidel Castro to power.

The government has set the exchange rate at 24 Cuban pesos to $1, and the convertible Cuban peso, known as the CUC, will be phased out completely by June, leaving the island with one currency for the first time in more than 20 years.

Cuba is devaluing its peso for the first time since the 1959 revolution with profound consequences for its people.

Cubans will have through June 2021 to trade in CUCs for Cuban pesos, according to a decree published in the Cuban government’s official gazette on December 10.

But the devaluation of the currency at 24 Cuban pesos to 1 CUC means they’ll lose a significant amount of money in doing so, something that is likely to hit private-sector workers who have been paid in CUCs for years particularly hard.

It’s already been a tough year for those workers, many of whom are employed in the country’s tourism sector, which has been decimated by coronavirus-related travel restrictions and the Trump administration’s harsh policies toward the island.

Posted by: Down South | Jul 12 2021 17:10 utc | 11

@ Cuban | Jul 12 2021 16:36 utc | 4:

I understand Juan Guaido is still looking for a country to run. You're welcome to him.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 17:11 utc | 12

A lot of previous "leftist" Sympathisores with Cuba" here in Scandinavia have sprawled out to bolster the North Atlantisistic MSMs acount. For instance, a "Latin America Expert" in Norway, whose mother supported revolutions in Africa and forebears were commie intellectuals, states that the protests were spontaneous, and brutally put down by the police and army and their hired thugs. The same kind of clowns surface in Sweden and Denmark too. Only some Icelandic and Finnish media are more fact.driven in their summing-ups.

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Jul 12 2021 17:11 utc | 13

@ Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 16:36 utc | 4

But that's the point: all of the problems you list can be solved by lifting the economic blockade. The USA created a problem and is selling the solution.

Díaz-Canel admitted Cuba is going through difficulties during this pandemic during his pronouncement to Granma. He's not hiding anything.

Again, I find it weird for a protest that is asking for vaccines to be scheduled to take place in the same day said vaccine was announced for mass production and distribution. The Cuban government is literally working on the solution right now.

The two-currency system was an economic aberration, probably Fidel's only significant mistake in his political life. It created a two-tier system of citizens in Cuba, where a taxi driver gained and accumulated more wealth than a doctor. It was a bizarre distortion of the Cuban economy. But I understand: the few who benefited from the CUC must not be happy with its extinction, it was bound to create some indignation.

The shortage of food could, I repeat, be solved by the end of the blockade.

Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 17:25 utc | 14

Update from Granma:

¿Qué está pasando en Cuba? (+Video)

Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 17:33 utc | 15

The Guardian has re-captioned the photograph. It now reads: Government supporters gathering at the Máximo Gómez monument in Havana on Sunday. Photograph: Eliana Aponte/AP

Posted by: M Smith | Jul 12 2021 17:33 utc | 16

Simultaneously with Haiti? They don't even try to hide their butts.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 12 2021 17:48 utc | 17

Thanks b
Here's a link from Venezuela's Telesur that adds and underscores b's points.
"On Monday, Cuba's President Miguel Diaz-Canel addressed the nation to analyze the actions of those trying to destabilize the Revolution by taking advantage of the crisis prompted by the U.S. blockade and the new COVID-19 wave.
Accompanied by his cabinet, the President reviewed the country's current epidemiological and economic situation, which the international campaign against the Revolution does not usually mention or even explain."

The pandemic along with the economic blockade has hurt Cuba. They will prevail.

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 12 2021 17:48 utc | 18

@ Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2021 16:44 utc | 6:

Before the US sanctions the Government owned the tourism industry. It divided MOST of it's profits among the top military leaders and the top politicians and spent a tiny fraction barely keeping the country a float with some government provided food and some subsidies. To some of you this sounds amazing. But you must remember that the government owns all of your labor and for the most part, your life. It gives you these things to keep you alive, not to thrive. You get subpar bread from the government but you have to work as a floor cleaner in a hotel or a politicians home to earn enough to afford other things than bread. You as a Cuban citizen are not allowed on many tourist islands or even neighborhoods. The best real estate in Cuba, the mansions and large I estates belong to communist leaders. In other words, you are given free food, a crumbling house if you are lucky, and told to be happy the government did that for you. As you waste away your life working slave labor in some hotel or politician's estate, a denigrating labor you perform in order to afford chicken breasts for dinner, once in a while.

After the US sanctions, the tourism industry took a hit, and maybe you want to blame this hit as the cause of collapse for the entire system, but all I can tell you is that the US has been under sanctions for many decades before and the government arrangement that I described above still survived (though barely). With the pandemic however and tourism plummeting double percentages everywhere in the world, the completely dysfunctional system FINALLY reached it's breaking point. With close to no tourism income coming for the government the very little they did for it's slave population had to be cut back. The government changed it's currency (e.g the government robbed everyone overnight) and instituted a new currency only obtained with dollars or euros. Can you honestly defend a system that has functioned in this manner, regardless of US sanctions? I dislike US intervention as much as anyone else, but you cannot see the way this government functions and conclude it cares about it's people. The children of the communist leaders live in mansions, travel abroad and wear expensive suits and shoes while the "communist" populace lives in ruin. Why is it so hard people would reach a breaking point after being robbed and abused bby their government one too many times?

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 17:53 utc | 19

@Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 17:25 utc | 14:

Lifting the sanctions buys the Cuban Government more time. It does not fix the dysfunction and cruelty of the Cuban government. Maybe for some of you that sound enough if it means your government's intelligence apparatus does not intervene. I sympathize with the self-interest. But the Cuban people may also want a different government. One that does not enslave and constantly abuse it's population

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 17:57 utc | 20

@ Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 17:53 utc | 19, 20;

But all of those "dysfunctions" you mention of do exist - on a much larger magnitude - in the other capitalist/liberal Latin American nations, too. It's not like the Cubans are in a scenario they'll become Scandinavia if they topple their socialist government - the Soviets fell for that trap.

And, by admitting "lifting the sanctions buys the Cuban Government more time", you're tacitly admitting things are not so bad to the break point to being with. If they were, there would be no need for the sanctions.

It is not idealism to defend the Cuban revolutionary government. Cuba has a better human development than its Latin American neighbors. It is objectively a better place to live.

Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 18:03 utc | 21


Same Shit, Different Day

The shit show continues until it doesn't and there are scratches in the record they keep playing over and over again.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 12 2021 18:06 utc | 22

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 17:53 utc | 19

One wonders why the US bothers with sanctions, giving the Cuban Government an excuse to dflect their own incomptence. Maybe the US government should lift sanctions/blockade and stop allowing thenselves to be used as the reason for Cuba's and Cubans' predicament.

The fact the the US doesn't lift sanctions and the blockade probably means that the US is afraid that, if it did, Cuba might turn out to be a socialist success story.

So, Cuban, unless the US really believes your argument against your government and lifts the blockade and sanctions to expose the government's incomptence. You need a new slogan:

"Lift the blockade and remove sanctions to expose our government's incompetence and corruption".

otherwise, you are just peddling US propaganda.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 12 2021 18:07 utc | 23

forgot to proof read again

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 12 2021 18:10 utc | 24

I suspect @Cuban and @jinn are one in the same, and a whole bunch of other sock puppets as well.

That is my opinion.

It feels like MoA is really getting polluted these days.

Posted by: librul | Jul 12 2021 18:13 utc | 25

thanks b... i appreciate the perspective....

@ cuban... i want to ask how the weather is in florida, but i am willing to ask politely - are you typing from cuba, or cia headquarters in virginia?? you might have more legitimacy if you didn't just show up on this thread for the first time with the name - cuban.... but alas - moa is a tough crowd and like asking questions like this even if they don't get voiced... feel free to answer but be prepared for a high degree of skepticism as well.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Jul 12 2021 18:19 utc | 26

It's good to hone one's argumentation skills from time to time, folks, but feeding time for under-the-bridge dwellers should be ending soon, okay?

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 18:20 utc | 27

@ Down South (#11) & vk (#14) good points. Highly recommend the Cuba’s currency history article shared by Down South. It clearly shows the mismanagement of currencies by the Cuban administrations, big BLUNDER. Also, the top layer hasn’t demonstrated wisdom like China. They can create their money, help those suffering and manage the transition smoothly.

Any mismanagement by non-captured countries is an opportunity to be exploited by the Financial Empire. Remember, the Global Financial Syndicate wants to capture ALL nations. It is unfortunate that many Latin American countries dollarized their economies at sometime and made themselves VULNERABLE to abuse & capture by the Financial Empire. Syria, Lebanon, Africa... have made similar mistakes. Even the Euro is vulnerable. Most crisis start through a monetary crisis (Soviet Union fall too...) which impacts the population well-being. Nations need to manage their monetary & financial system diligently, avoiding external dependencies. There is no sovereignty without monetary sovereignty.

Who controls money & credit in your nation? Is your nation monetarily sovereign & transparent?

Posted by: Max | Jul 12 2021 18:32 utc | 28

karlof1 @Jul12 16:27 #3: Connection with Haiti coup to keep it out of the spotlight?

Mina @Jul12 17:48 #17: Simultaneously with Haiti? They don't even try to hide their butts.

Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש @Jul12 17:11 #13:

A lot of previous "leftist" Sympathisores with Cuba" here in Scandinavia have sprawled out to bolster the North Atlantisistic MSMs acount.

Protests and Civil unrest in Cuba and Venezuela seem to have been timed with the Haitian coup. Possibly to keep these nations busy while the coup leaders consolidate power.

Much of Western media was also activated to push the pro-coup narrative.

I think readers can guess who would be behind such coordinated action.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 12 2021 18:32 utc | 29

>>> Cuban | Jul 12 2021 17:53 utc | 19<<< re: tourism

I never said that 'Cuba is the working man's paradise'. I said that attributing the collapse of tourism to 'Covid' without mentioning small things like banning travel to Cuba is a blatant lie. Correct me if I am wrong but to have tourism, one must actually travel to the country, correct?

So now I have established that every mainline newspaper in the U.S. blatantly lies about Cuba.
Why should I believe any other thing it has to say about Cuba.

As best as I can tell, tourism had about 2yrs to thrive after Obama normalized relations w/Cuba in 2014 before Trump went all mean girl on them. But even in that short period of time, taking it away managed to shock their economy. BTW it was not just tourism, but cutting them off from remittances (very mean spirited) and fining countries that trade with Cuba.

So let's try an experiment. Eliminate all sanctions on Cuba for a span of 6yrs, 1 year for every decade we have imposed sanctions on them and see if the people of Cuba are better off. I'm certain there will be fat cats in Cuba, but the question is ... are you better off now than you were 6yrs ago.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2021 18:33 utc | 30

@ Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 17:53 utc | 19, 20;

It is not idealism to defend the Cuban revolutionary government. Cuba has a better human development than its Latin American neighbors. It is objectively a better place to live.

By what metric? We have less violence than the rest of Latin America, we have less drugs than latin america, maybe even better education and literacy. Does that give the government the right to do whatever it wants with it's citizens lives? Would YOU be happy with such an existence? This is all we should want being another "periphery nation" of the US empire I bet.

It's not like the Cubans are in a scenario they'll become Scandinavia if they topple their socialist government - the Soviets fell for that trap.

I find this statement to be very condescending. So we deserve a tyrannical government that does not allow cubans to raise above a slave relation with their communist leaders because... we won't become Scandinavia? Says who, First of all? and why do YOU (likely from a country with FAR more liberty than cuba) get to determine that liberty and more rights in OUR country is bad for US CUBANS. What is good for YOU and YOUR FAMILY, is bad for me and MY FAMILY? I reject your premise entirely. The Cubans that have emigrated, have thrived all over the world. The Cuban diaspora has plenty of businessmen, intellectuals, engineers, scientists and overall educated people. At least afford the Cuban people the same rights you and your family have. Please.

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 18:37 utc | 31

Cuban Tourism, part 3: pre-Obama

I opened myself up for the 'strawman argument'. Yes, I know that tourism (and Havana cigars) existed before Obama lifted sanctions but it was always a tiny fraction of what it could have been. To visit Cuba, Americans would have to do something dodgy like get a student visa or first travel to Mexico and then to Cuba. Most people will just take the easy trip to Barbados and not bother with the money laundering unless they have relatives or are really motivated.

So real tourism only had 2yrs to expand, I'm not referring to the 'stand on your head' tourism.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2021 18:42 utc | 32

Wow, congratulations MoA!

Reading the comments from the poster named "Cuban" I can only gather you are on the CIA radar.

You are considered a big enough alt news site to garner attention from the US propaganda machine and targeted for pro-US comments complete with State Department talking points.

Unfortunately, this also means if you do not start toeing the party line, you will be targeted for deletion.

Posted by: Mar man | Jul 12 2021 18:43 utc | 33

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 18:37 utc | 31

I'm starting to smell a rat here. Or a mole. Please, if you're going to put forth the notion that you're Cuban, and living in Cuba, then provide some details on what sector of the economy you and your family (ALL CAPS) participate (or would participate) in (if the government wasn't preventing you) and give us some information to corroborate at least that you have working knowledge of the status of various layers of the Cuban economy.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2021 18:45 utc | 34

Another interesting thing: this is another "revolution" that gets scheduled do a Weekend, after lunch. Well, if you can only protest during the weekends, after lunchtime, then 1) you work during the rest of the week, therefore you're employed and 2) you do have food on the table. Hungry people don't wait for after lunchtime to protest for food, let alone for sunny Sundays.


@ Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 18:37 utc | 31

I'm not determining anything to the Cuban people. Let the streets decide, let violence determine who's with reason in Cuba, let's solve this the good ol' way, face to face.

And the issue of "thriving all around the world" can also be solved by lifting the blockade. Lift the blockade, and the Cuban people will have all of these "rights" you speak of. Lift the blockade.

Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 18:45 utc | 35

corvo | Jul 12 2021 18:20 utc | 27

The under-the-bridge dwellers are getting more sophisticated. Whatever next? The pay must have gone up, in fondle paper of course.


One thing that worries me (possibly more than a simple worry) are the amount of countries that are sanctioned. The longer that sanctions continue, the worse the overall situation will get. While some major countries have adapted, many smaller one cannot. They do not have the resources.

Is it my imagination, but has the US gone full "spectrum cruelty", at the same rate as their own situation gets worse?

One supplementary thing about sanctions are the secretive campaigns of telephone calls aimed at specific persons and entities. The full extent of the hurt occasioned by the US must be multiplied many times to gauge the full impact on the world as a whole. How long can the rest of humanity support this brake on development and well-being?. That should have been how long WILL the rest of humanity support this brake? Are we coming to some sort of crisis or "the beginning of the end" yet? The BRI should provide an alternative, but it will be hard for S. America to join.


Some get paid; Israel is going to get more $$$$. 7.2 billion - I wonder if the US taxpayer even knows about it?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 12 2021 18:47 utc | 36

Cuban has a point. The last thing the Cuban revolution needs is Walmart, McDonalds and thousands of US tourists. What they could use is roads, electricity, plumbing and spare parts for old vehicles.

Posted by: dh | Jul 12 2021 18:49 utc | 37

@Posted by: james | Jul 12 2021 18:19 utc | 26

Imho, and a gut feeling, you are giving @Cuban too much credit. The paid lurkers are undoubtedly out there but @Cuban, @jinn, @agin...etc
is not one of them. Just a gut feeling. He is a clever, educated and imaginative troll, but a troll and nothing more. He will even camouflage himself with a nearly sensible post some times. Imho.

Posted by: librul | Jul 12 2021 18:51 utc | 38

I get the distinct impression that "Cuban" has never actually visited Cuba. Perhaps he can see it from his backyard in Miami...

I've been there five times and will go again next year. US tourism has never been a big factor in the Cuban economy, even when Obama opened up travel for US citizens to Cuba. On the other hand, US sanctions against Cuba and extraterritorial sanctions against anyone trying to do business there is what's crippling the Cuban economy.

As for eliminating the dual currency, the CUC was meant to be primarily a currency used by tourists, while Cubans were to use the CUP. Certainly the Cubans working in the tourist industry accumulated CUCs in the form of tips, but this not the majority of the population. And unlike what "Cuban" claims, even this minority of people will not get screwed unless they try to cash out the CUCs.

Posted by: Victor | Jul 12 2021 18:52 utc | 39

Russia warns of outside interference in Cuba

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2021 18:53 utc | 40

Lol @ cuban

Yeah ask the bulgarians and rumani how they like to be the cheap labor and marketplace for german capital.

If you think something would change for the better you are truly asleep.

Look at Haiti and DomRep

And youre Gov. is represive? Lol take a good look at several "democraties".
For example the french shitshow, or the murican simulation, or the Baltiks, or Ukraine....
Sry you are done if the system change... Youre going to be the next plantation....

Posted by: Kartoschka | Jul 12 2021 18:54 utc | 41

Cuban tourism and secondary effects.

I once thought about going to Cuba for eye treatment as they have a good reputation. US sanctions block ME, in the EU, so I consider them a damn nuisance, and an infringement on my liberty to do what I want.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 12 2021 18:59 utc | 42

@To Cuban, are you a Cuban American?

I've always been curious about this. Why would a Cuban American want to keep sanctions on a country that only hurts their relatives?

While I don't agree with it, I understand wanting an invasion to change the govt but what good is this 60yr siege doing. You can't even send money to grandma or your cousin who still lives there.

Granted, your relatives can't buy anything but that is because the U.S. has booted Cuba off of SWIFT. The U.S. has only designated 4 countries terrorist states, Syria, Iran, N. Korea and Cuba (not Saudi Arabia). This isolates them from the world market. If you are a Canadian drug company, try justifying doing business with a country that the U.S. designates as a state sponsor of terrorism and risk getting a big fine.

You hate the remaining Castro's fine. But what good is this 60yr embargo and terrorist state label doing for the Cubans.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2021 18:59 utc | 43

@Posted by: james | Jul 12 2021 18:19 utc | 26

@ cuban... i want to ask how the weather is in florida, but i am willing to ask politely - are you typing from cuba, or cia headquarters in virginia?? you might have more legitimacy if you didn't just show up on this thread for the first time with the name - cuban.... but alas - moa is a tough crowd and like asking questions like this even if they don't get voiced... feel free to answer but be prepared for a high degree of skepticism as well.. thanks..

The weather is nice here in Florida. Thank you for asking. I understand your skepticism, I myself would have no different reaction than your own, but I cannot keep quiet as this topic is dear to me. I want to ease your justified skepticism by assuring you that the US government and Cuban Americans have likely played a key role behind these protests. As I said in my original post. What I reject is the claim it is dollars that are manufacturing the rage of the protesters. Instead I am clarifying that the rage was homegrown by repeated abuses of the Cuban Government (changing the currency overnight. Taking food aid and selling it at a markup in Government stores), and so fourth and so fourth. The growing discontent with the economic situation in Cuba is fueling the anger in the population not foreign dollars from some spook organization. The door for outside players like the Cuban-American diaspora to aid and coordinate protests in Cuba has only being possible by repeatedly abusing an already poor and beaten population.

Posted by: cuban | Jul 12 2021 19:00 utc | 44

Posted by: cuban | Jul 12 2021 19:00 utc | 44

The weather in Arlington, VA, more likely.

And you conveniently keep ignoring the sanctions (read: embargo and economic strangulation) that the US imposes on that country for 60+ years now. What everyone else tells you is the truth: Lift the sanctions and see what happens - It won't be a pleasant PR angle for the rabid anti-communists and the State Department knows it. That's why it won't ever happen.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2021 19:07 utc | 45

b please don’t blame Garbageian or our old Joe. The problem is due to budgetary reasons (you read China) photoshop jobs at the CIA we’re cut now days all the analysts and the planets are required to do their own photoshop jobs on reward bases meaning for each really good photoshop job one can pickup up to 5 points toward a tank of gas or free meal at KFC.

Posted by: Kooshy | Jul 12 2021 19:09 utc | 46


You keep defending the anti-Cuban protests, but if you had read the article and comments, you would know there are no large protests.

I would think any truly patriotic Cuban would spend their time bashing the cruel sanctions in place by the US government.

A patriot would also realize any anti-government protest in Cuba is almost certainly US lead and if successful would lead to the complete destruction of Cuba like the Ukraine, Libya and Syria protests in the last decade.

No matter how much one disliked their own government, wishing the US would "help" replace it is a death sentence.

Posted by: Mar man | Jul 12 2021 19:10 utc | 47

Financial Empire’s FINAL attempt?

If the Financial Empire is driving these crisis in Latin America then it looks like it is consolidating its POWER in Americas, to deny them to China and take it on in the ME and Africa. Also, if it looses against Eurasia then it has a backup plan for the Dollar Empire in Americas (Regional Power).

Hope China and Russia will see from what is happening that the Financial Empire doesn’t give up and comes back as soon as a CRISIS happens, repeatedly & relentlessly. They let the 2008 financial crisis go to waste. The Financial Empire has betrayed Russia in 1917, 1947, 1991, 2008,... China, Russia & the world won’t have long-term SOVEREIGNTY until they have defeated the Financial Empire.

Financial Empire’s Plan:... ?
Act 1: Consolidate in LATAM
Act 2: Conflicts in ME & Africa
Act 3: Conclusion (Global or Regional currency zones)

Is your nation a VASSAL of the Global Financial Empire?

Posted by: Max | Jul 12 2021 19:11 utc | 48

Hey @Cuban aka @jinn aka @agin
if we guess where you are actually posting from will you confess?

I guess NY city.

Posted by: librul | Jul 12 2021 19:11 utc | 49

No better proof of the astroturfed nature of the protests than this: They protest the unavailability of vaccines when (1) the USA won't provide and (2) the Cubans have just developed their own.

The whole thing is an astroturfed fake with slogans exported from Langley.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 19:14 utc | 50

Just as next door in Haiti the President is shot by mercenaries and there is talk of sending US troops to 'secure' the country..

Just a coincidence?

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 12 2021 19:16 utc | 51

Posted by: cuban | Jul 12 2021 19:00 utc | 44

So you support the blockade and sanctions against the Cuban state, and do not recognize the damage that it has done to Cuba?

You do not support the Cuban people. You support the US government's actions against Cuba and the Cuban people.

Apparently, you would prefer the misery and poverty that occurred prior to the revolution to return. The US certainly does. that is why it does what it does, and you support it.

Maybe you should focus more on the abuses of the US government. You might get closer to a solution, if you did.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 12 2021 19:17 utc | 52

@ Posted by: cuban | Jul 12 2021 19:00 utc | 44

Oh, so you're in Florida, not in Cuba. Either you have an extensive network of informants in Cuba, or you're lying about your affirmation @ 4 that the "protests were disorganized, but substantial".

Let me remember everybody here that Cuban immigrants have privileged treatment in the USA. Thanks to the "Dry foot, wet foot" doctrine, every Cuban that manages to reach terra firma in Florida automatically gains political asylum, with all the privileges that entails. This is a status, e.g. illegal immigrants from Mexico, Guatemala or Nicaragua don't have, hence it is always more likely for a Cuban immigrant to have a good impression of life in the USA than the illegal immigrant from Mexico and Central America. They're simply treated better.


@ Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2021 18:59 utc | 43

The answer is obvious: the fight is against socialism, not Cuba per se.

The only way to defeat an alternative system is by making it break. It is only after the idea, the spirit is dead, that you can proceed to defeat the body.

Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 19:19 utc | 53

@ librul:

Not necessarily New York. The attitude seems to fit in perfectly with the Miami area, although the fake concern for Cubans suggests more than a soupcon of Langley.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 19:21 utc | 54

for 60 fucking years now, USG has been hailing the imminent collapse of the Cuban state. they've thrown every trick in the book at Cuba.

the question is not what do we learn from Cuba, b/c that answer is simple: be more like them, much, much more.

the question is what do we learn about capitalism and the Nazi fools and idiots running the USG? what do we learn about the possibility of resistance?

the most important song in US history? a real howler of terror. "Over There." for anyone in the US, the struggle and the crime is always "over there." never here.

what a joke the sick little bitches running the US are. another little country whose truth can never ever be mentioned: ISRAEL.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 12 2021 19:31 utc | 55

If you examine the photograph closely, there is a large red flag with "26 Julio" printed on it. It is curious the protesters would be flying a flag celebrating the Cuban national holiday "Day of the National Rebellion".

Posted by: Ian | Jul 12 2021 19:32 utc | 56

Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 19:19 utc | 53

Also make note of Cuban's comment #31. He/She also indirectly references the "wet foot/dry foot" preferential treatment of Cuban "refugees" in the USA. They are given taxpayer funded incentives and aid in many walks of life, and taken in by the rather large community of other mostly well-to-do expats in Florida and elsewhere. This gives them a leg up in obtaining college degrees and climbing the social ladder, including all the way to foreign policy circles in the Washington D.C. metro area.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2021 19:32 utc | 57

I thought there was an unwritten rule to not feed the trolls.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Jul 12 2021 19:33 utc | 58

@53 ..."the fight is against socialism, not Cuba per se."

Precisely. Socialism must not be allowed to succeed. That is the core of the US stance towards Cuba. Lifting sanctions would be a victory for the Cuban revolution but in time it may prove to be the end of it.

I suspect Cuban is personally most upset about the situation with property in Cuba. Perhaps his family lost their mansion or business. The thing that struck me most on a visit to Cuba was the dilapidated condition of what presumably had once been private property. I don't know precisely how it works in Cuba but unless people actually own the property they live in they tend not to maintain it very well.

Posted by: dh | Jul 12 2021 19:35 utc | 59

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2021 19:32 utc | 57

I should also have noted that Black Cubans are, no surprise, given less of this aid and support and it bears out in terms like home valuations in the USA. The initial waves of Cubans were primarily the "White" compradores who were taken in like lost children by the US government. They generally had better boats then, hence "dry foot", where the recent refugees have makeshift rafts (and are primarily Black).


By and large the white elite of the island fled Castro's revolution to a far greater extent than the black lower classes. And contrary to American stereotypes of Latin American ease and openness about race, Cuba was a relatively stratified society, albeit not characterized by hypodescent. Slavery was not abolished on the island until 1884.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2021 19:39 utc | 60

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Jul 12 2021 19:33 utc | 58

We're just having fun. This one is so obviously a troll, or a stooge.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 12 2021 19:40 utc | 61

Russia is definitely not fooled:

According to Boris Martynov, Russia is next in line after Cuba:

Maidan began in Cuba. Get ready Russia

Boris Martynov noted that the Cubans want to follow the path of China, combining the communist ideology with the market, but, being close to the United States, they are acting cautiously.

"They are two hundred miles from the United States and cannot tolerate the slightest sign of anarchy, they cannot even give the slightest excuse - otherwise, the intervention will begin tomorrow. They are undergoing reforms, but these are reforms with a view to the Cuban mentality, Cuban history and Cuban geography before everything - this must not be overlooked. And there will always be dissatisfied people, and there will always be those who will purposefully support these dissatisfied ones," Boris Martynov told Pravda.Ru.

According to him, Russia needs to understand that after Cuba, the United States will tackle it, it needs to prepare.

"You need to be calm and stubborn, that's all, as the song is sung. Follow your own course, try not to give rise to all sorts of anti-state sentiments. But at the same time, respond harshly to" highly like". It turns out about the so-called poisoning The West knew Navalny in advance, as is evident from the OPCW report for 2020. And I have a different thought: weren't they themselves who organized it, if they knew everything in advance? And we were not ready. We again started making excuses: “No, it was not so, but look at the facts. "But who needs facts, excuse me?" - Boris Martynov told Pravda.Ru.

Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 19:42 utc | 62

Posted by: librul | Jul 12 2021 19:11 utc | 49

Has a good guess. Per the genomic research discussed in the Discovermag link I provided above:

As to the Cuban sample, the N is 50. About 70 percent of these are from in and around New York City, while the rest were from other northern cities. These are not "Miami Cubans." Though the MESA data set has information on how many of the Hispanics identified as white, there was no breakdown for the Cubans. My working assumption is that these are not unrepresentative. This inference is based an an important prior: I have done genomic analysis of two individuals of white Cuban ancestry who had no known African heritage (in fact, one of individuals reported that the family exhibited white racist opinions and outlooks) who yielded clear African ancestry (on the order of ~10 percent for the Cuban lineage). One of these Cubans knew that their ancestry consisted of recent immigrants from Spain, so had no expectation of African ancestry.

I would guess New York, Miami or the D.C. metro area.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2021 19:43 utc | 63

"It feels like MoA is really getting polluted these days.

Posted by: librul | Jul 12 2021 18:13 utc | 25"

Naw, not at all. A few mice occasionally show up and try to assert their imperial stupidities but the local cats dismantle them quickly.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 12 2021 19:44 utc | 64

@ Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 18:45 utc | 35

And the issue of "thriving all around the world" can also be solved by lifting the blockade. Lift the blockade, and the Cuban people will have all of these "rights" you speak of. Lift the blockade.

An understandable assumption (no blockage = cubans free!) as you do not know the inner workings of the Cuban system. It is illegal for Cubans to own businesses and do commerce in their own country. Particularly any commerce that would help the Cuban people thrive through labor or better more competitive wages (if the government is the only entity allowed to operate businesses, it can pay workers whatever it wants, as it happens in Cuba. Thus people in Cuba can barely survive with a government "wage"). A monopoly on labor also means that valuable labor can be hired for a slave-wage as well or misused. This "issue" in the system has nothing to do with the American sanctions. I can't import food into my country of origin. I can't hire Cubans to create a product in cuba for export, I can't invest my money in say, a hotel or clinic or any business in Cuba because it can be taken from me by the government at any moment. Only the state can have have businesses without the fear of being shut down or being appropriated. This is very good for the Cuban Royalty and their bank accounts (Sons and daughters of Communist leaders and Military brass who get to sell the cuban people food at whatever price they deem fair, for whatever currency they deem legal tender, as it happened recently). Everyone who is not in this select group of people, is essentially a peasant enslaved by the feudal kings of Cuba (the "communist" families and a few military commanders and their family).

Some retards will point out that "some Cubans have businesses in cuba!" and this is true. Some north Koreans have businesses in North Korea I am sure. It does not mean you have the freedom and legal respect from the government to do commerce in North Korea, or Cuba. The sort of enterprise and liberty that would uplift Cubans and allow them to thrive off-limits. The rulers of Cuba rather own 100% of decaying country than any other percent of a more free country.

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 19:52 utc | 65

We should recall that Cuba was always seen from the USA as a colony, much as all other nations South of the Border. "Low hanging fruit" it was described as well before 1898. Some may have learned during their education that the USA debated buying Cuba from Spain in 1859. This document is the speech of a Michigan Congressman on that topic that also alludes to other issues of that very turbulent time. Mentioned in that document is the notorious Ostend Manifesto wherein the future POTUS endorsed the taking of Cuba by force if necessary to further expand Slavery, that endorsement aiding him greatly in his election but also served to split the American Democracy as the Democrat Party was then known.

The controlling devices enacted by Congress to control Cuba after 1898 and to acquire Guantanamo Bay as a naval base in perpetuity where working very nicely until Cuban's decided they'd had enough of that crap and revolted--a revolt initially supported by Eisenhower until Castro unveiled his Socialist nature. Then came the Embargo followed by the Missile Crisis. Here we have Castro's 30 November 1957 article published by The Nation, "What Cuba's Rebels Want," that very few have likely read. And I imagine barflies will really like this book about Cuba, Havana Nocturne: How the Mob Owned Cuba-- and Then Lost it to The Revolution, which can be read freely at The Archive.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 12 2021 20:00 utc | 66

1. The "social media" nonsense is mainly for the US and "western" audiences. Particularly because having internet access is reasonably not a high priority in Cuba (I hear they have a nice sneakernet though, I remember those fondly).

(Did anyone say that yet? Am I asking too much of people or am I outdated or stating the obvious? Do people generally know?)

The US government likes to pretend and believe they have any real support for their shit but it always boils down to them telling themselves that it is so and making sure it's a "poll" which only includes themselves and their sycophants.

2. Yes this must be distraction.

3. I sincerely believe Cubans in Cuba (whether socialist, communist, pro-government, or not) are not as stupid as to fall for this in significant numbers.

I'm not a communist (allergic to "Che" t-shirts btw :P) but it doesn't matter and shouldn't matter if anyone is: as with so many other countries Cuba is clearly the right choice to support.

4. A small sarcastic "thank you" to the US for motivating the whole rest of the Americas (if not the entire world) to increase their efforts in anything and everything against them :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 12 2021 20:17 utc | 67

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 19:52 utc | 65

That Cuban posted twice means one of two things:

1. He's some multi platform civil servant who's payed to do just what he does on high profile. Most likely some B.A. in IR with focus on cuba or latin america. Most likely bi or trilingual.


2. He's none of the accused by all the other posters.

Posted by: GhostBuster | Jul 12 2021 20:25 utc | 68

@ cuban 4. Probably both stories are true. Though i have not been to Cuba, two friends (spanish and left leaning) Who have visited Cuba, and another Who lived there for three years (spanish) tell me things are rough economically. It is likely there were real protests. Of course the sanctions are a root cause, but the work arounds result in a situación that looks like government mismanagement. For gods sake they have been under seige for twenty years and the Miami mafia and the fascists in the state department are taking every opportunity to egg It on. I am dissapointed in some of the commentators Who know little about the situación and denigrate those Who do. The cuban people have and are suffering, but hopefully can hold on until tío Sam lets Up or has some kind of a seizure.

Posted by: c | Jul 12 2021 20:26 utc | 69

@Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 12 2021 19:17 utc | 52

I find the American sanctions on Cuba retarded. I find many things that the US does with regards to Cuba retarded. But I am not so delusional as to pretend the current government is good for Cubans and this particular set of protests are fueled by fake anger. Not liking the Cuban government has nothing to do with Patriotism. I want Cuba to have a different government. This desire from me (a cuban) may coincide with US interests or it may not. Some of you vouching for the moral high ground of the Cuban government is outstanding. I can only speak as someone who has lived under the cuban government and say I understand the legitimate grievances of people have against that government. Turns out that governments (surprise!) are capable of abusing their people and power, and when that happens the people usually develop grievances against their government.

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 20:27 utc | 70

I will clarify one other thing about my last reply (Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 20:27 utc | 70):

I am even willing to let the current Cuban government stay in power if it reforms and concedes more freedoms for it's people. The problem of course is that the Cuba Government's track record does not point towards any sort of compromise with the people. Historically all decisions in Cuba have flowed from the very top (at one point Castro was even involved in milk production for god's sake) to the bottom. Which is why I am willing to back whatever the Cubans on the island are willing to take for themselves, including regime change. It's that bad economically.

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 20:36 utc | 71

Short of fomenting armed insurrection in Cuba, the USA's only hope is that younger Cubans will have no memory or even concept of what life was like before the socialist revolution.

The Cuban mafiosi in residence in Florida and other parts of the USA, so thoughtfully imported and nurtured stateside, have such a memory--that's why they want the insurrection. They want Cuba to revert to being America's plantation/casino/whorehouse.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 20:38 utc | 72

I thought of a coming coup when I saw this:
Hundreds gather for downtown Las Vegas rally in support of Cuba demonstrations

Las Vegas?

Posted by: Carlton Meyer | Jul 12 2021 20:43 utc | 73

Excuse me. Under for like fifty years. Two generaciones!

Posted by: C | Jul 12 2021 20:43 utc | 74

Las Vegas?

Speaking of casinos and whorehouses . . .

(well, okay, "escort services") . . .

Amazing how quickly that demo got organized, huh?

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 20:48 utc | 75

There were bigger protests in midwestern towns of populations around ~20,000 people back in May/June 2020.

Posted by: Cesare | Jul 12 2021 20:48 utc | 76

I remember, early in the Syria crisis, there was an absolutely huge march in Damascus that, viewed from long high shots clearly showed it must have numbered in the many hundreds of thousands.

They carried a gigantic Syrian flag and many pictures of Assad. Lots of western media presented this to their readers as 'opposition rally.'

Just days ago Bryan McDonald exposed a scam piece about Sochi that showed pictures of a deserted beach...while on the ACTUAL Sochi beach were literally throngs of bathers and sunbathers.

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 12 2021 20:55 utc | 77


Protest in Las Vegas?!? Where it's 115 degrees on the streets during the day!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 12 2021 20:56 utc | 78

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 20:36 utc | 71

Is it really as bad as it was during Battista's time, the time preferred by the US and most of the Cuban emigres who benefitted from it? Prove it?

It would also be nice if Cubans abroad pressured the US government to finally give Cuba a chance and remove the blockade and sanctions. Why won't Cubans in the US help their compatriots on the Island succeed? Why must they be gleeful in their suffering from US sanctions and the blockade? Answer me that.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 12 2021 21:02 utc | 79

dh | Jul 12 2021 19:35 utc | 59

I don't know precisely how it works in Cuba but unless people actually own the property they live in they tend not to maintain it very well.

L. Ron Hubbard had an interesting way of dealing with this problem in the "Orgs" (aka "churches" of Scientology.) When someone working in an org, was given a piece of equipment that he needed for his work, he was said to own it. He had to sign a form to the effect that he owed the org the price of the thing. It was then his property but he could sell it back only to the org. If it was in pristine condition or had suffered only "fair wear and tear", when he no longer needed it, he could renounce his ownership and the debt to the org would be cancelled. If, however, it was damaged or destroyed, the whole or some part of the debt would be collected.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jul 12 2021 21:05 utc | 80

We are all posting to 'Cuban'.

He is making all kinds of claims about the economic condition of the Cuban people but that applies to an economically blockaded Cuba. There is no track record of a non-embargoed Cuba.

1. Lift all sanctions against Cuba for 6yrs. 1 year for every decade the U.S. has isolated Cuba. Actually, I should demand 12 because Commies love 5yr plans and 60 / 5 = 12 but I'll settle for 6yrs.

2. At the end of 6rs, let the Cubans hold a referendum on whether or not to 'resume freedom giving sanctions' or drop sanctions altogether. Have the UN monitory the referendum, that the vote must be anonymous.

It's funny that we never, and I mean never, let the people living in the victimized country have any say on whether or not they want to be sanctioned. It is always people like Brian Kilmeade who tell us how sanctions give hope to our victims.

We already have an example of lift sanctions first, it's called China. Maybe that is the problem.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2021 21:10 utc | 81

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 19:52 utc | 65

Go and sing your tales of thriving and free enterprising to Guatemalans or Honduras, those that export gangs while Cuba soon will be exporting vaccines, being under siege. Your siren song skips more than an old 78RMP disk, one with "His Masters Voice" logo, the victor one I mean.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 12 2021 21:11 utc | 82

Couple of tips for visitors to Havana (forget about might as well go to the Costa Brava). Take plenty of small dollar bills. They are much in demand. Try to find a casa particular and a clandestine restaurant. Go to the Bodeguita del Medio (Hemmingways old watering hole) and buy an expensive Mojito. Stroll around a few other quarters too but watch out for falling masonry. Also take some tubes of toothpaste and tampons. They can be traded for fake Cohibas.

Posted by: dh | Jul 12 2021 21:11 utc | 83

Expect more of this. With the U.S. slowly but surely leaving their failed wars in the Middle East, they have to go somewhere, and where better than into their own backyard?
Any word yet on the final outcome of the recent elections in Peru?
A timely assassination in Haiti, followed by unrest in Cuba.
The sabre rattling in the Black Sea seems to have been a bust.
Nord Stream 2 is all but done and will be on-stream soon.
Europe is doing business with China.
Iran has chosen life with China and Russia over subservience to the Hegemon.
Eurasia is breathing while the Americas are choking. It didn't have to be this way, but this way is how it is.

Posted by: Hal Duell | Jul 12 2021 21:14 utc | 84

@80 Thank you for that. I'm not sure Ron's system would work in Havana but might be worth a try. Seriously ....the condition of some of those beautiful Spanish colonial (boo,hiss) buildings is sad to behold.

Posted by: dh | Jul 12 2021 21:17 utc | 85

Freedom, how easy to say and degrade, like the freedom fries idiocy. Here is freedom western style, Roma Protasevich -do you guys remember him?- his portrait was posted on airports all around the "free world", a freedom fighter, well his twitter account has been cancelled, just like the Ukrainian Joan of Arc, Savchenko, thrown down the tube of amnesia, like condoms, once used they're thrown to the garbage of history, that's the kind of freedom these guys sell, greasy like the frozen fries those fat assed zombies munch on.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 12 2021 21:23 utc | 86

@Posted by: Paco | Jul 12 2021 21:11 utc | 82

Those countries are plagued by CIA influence and coup/counter coup cycle spare ME your song as well. A government system that causes people to starve and have food shortages is shit. A system that rents it's skilled doctors like slaves, for pennies, is a shit. A system that beats and abuses it's people is shit! It doesn't matter if it's a capitalist government, or a monarchy or a socialist government. Some of you socialist ideologues are too invested in your theory to acknowledge that. Maybe Cubans don't want to starve. Maybe we also don't want to be "Honduras" or "Guatemala" or any of those countries that have completely different ethnic groups, cultures, and histories than us Cubans. Maybe we want to be Japan or South Korea, or even China as long as we get to prosper. Why do we have to be starving, enslaved, "Cuba" for your socialist ideologue pleasure? Because it proves that your little theory "works" at the cost of tyranny and abuses? Kindly fuck off, Paco.

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 21:36 utc | 87

@ librul | Jul 12 2021 18:51 utc | 38.. it is true what you say.. i am always more generous with others, no matter what.... honey often works better then salt.... don't misinterpret my kindness as a weakness though.. cheers -> and ultimately i appreciate the fact this person 'cuban' has replied to me @ 44!

@ cuban | Jul 12 2021 19:00 utc | 44.. thanks for responding and clarifying a few things for us here... i think what you are leaving out which others here are hammering you with - the usa's role in all of this - can't be ignored or relegated to the background.. as i see it, it is front and center... that is perhaps where you and i see this in a radically different way... i will now read all the rest of the comments and see if i have more to add.. thanks for your response..

Posted by: james | Jul 12 2021 21:49 utc | 88

uban | Jul 12 2021 21:36 utc | 87

Maybe we also don't want to be "Honduras" or "Guatemala" or any of those countries that have completely different ethnic groups, cultures, and histories than us Cubans.

You labor, probably willfully, under the delusion that Cubans will have that choice. The USA, ably assisted by the exiled Cuban mafia, will use every means at its disposal to see to it that Cubans will not. The only hope of real Cubans is that support from states opposed to US imperialist behavior will be sufficient to allow Cuba to control her own destiny and make the kinds of reforms that even the Cuban government seems to desire.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 21:51 utc | 89


Maybe we want to be Japan or South Korea,South Korea, you say? South Korea? Do you know how many South Koreans -- not North Koreans, but South Koreans died at the hands of the US military? Do you know how many South Koreans died protesting the murderous corrupt dictators -- propped up by the USA, mind you -- running their country until they finally managed to pry their country out of the dictators' hands?

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 21:56 utc | 90

Apologies for messing up the blockquote in that last comment. Everything after the first comma is mine.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 21:57 utc | 91

The Observer/Guardian ‘newspaper’ is a very clear 5+1 eyed Gollum MSM now. It was never a social democratic lefty publisher. Born out of the slave owning cotton industry around Manchester powered by finance it was a self declared Liberal paper - which was never a supporter of the Labour movement and party through out its existence and is still not. As recently demonstrated by its vehement anti Corbyn stance. Also it’s entrapment of Assange and almost Snowden. It’s daily anti Russian output. Novichok/skripal lies. It’s fake pro EU crocodile tears as it has fully backed the Tories as it did the fake Labour of Blair. It’s support of the lies of WMD and war onTerror! It’s scapegoating of Salmond and anti Scottish Independence policy and the linked massive attack on actual journalism, with its total failure to support or even report on the jailing of Craig Murray by an obvious fixed court and judges. Etc etc.
I was barred from there for pointing out their fake reporters on Syria and their support of the head choppers the White Helmets. Which was once as blatant as the fake photo in this Cuba Color Revolution attempt - where they published a photo claiming to be a hospital in the isis territory- but was infact from the Syrian government side as clearly shown by the red crescent informs of the staff! They have never corrected that afaik.

Utterly shameless deep state tool. The Obsessive Groan!

On the comments on this article I have not yet seen stated that the 60 years of sanctions were voted on in the UN very recently. All but TWO countries voted to have them removed.

USA and ISRAEL!!!!

Wtf has Israel got to do with wanting continuing sanctions against the Cuban people???

It ain’t just Langley involved in directing this vile lying propaganda in the mainstream and social media. The focus is moving with eviction from the ME and Afghanistan to the Caribbean! Biden is moving towards boots on the ground with the same outlaws.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 12 2021 22:03 utc | 92

>>>Wtf has Israel got to do with wanting continuing sanctions against the Cuban people???<<<

I'm going to defend Israel on this one, sometimes you gotta' sing for your supper.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2021 22:05 utc | 93

Cuban's no Cuban, it's a pequeña mierda or perhaps a chulo cubano working for the Empire. As with all such things, it has no regard for human life aside from putas it resides with. Yes, it's less than human, which is why it's here trying to make an abomination smell good. It differs none from the beastial orc doing Evil's work, and would be excommunicated for its work if its church wasn't as corrupt as it is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 12 2021 22:10 utc | 94

@ Posted by: c | Jul 12 2021 20:26 utc | 69

Díaz-Canel admitted in his first public announcement that there most likely were genuinely frustrated people among the protesters. He warned them they were being fooled and that the organizers of the protests don't have their welfare in mind. Which is the objective truth.

This color revolution attempt may be the most well-documented one in History. Granma is doing an excellent, real time and very candid coverage of the events. They're also covering all the regions of the country, not just cherry picked cities that could show only a pro-Communist bias. Díaz-Canel was also very smart not to dumb down the whole affair to the Cuban people: he started his speech going directly to the root of all evil - the blockade. He then went up, until the level of the daily lives of the common Cuban, explaining why everything comes down the blockade. No cheap slogans, no propaganda, just the hard to digest, grey truth.

Posted by: vk | Jul 12 2021 22:23 utc | 95

@Posted by: corvo | Jul 12 2021 21:51 utc | 89

No. My expectations of the US's factor in the Cuba equation are very grounded in reality. The friendly Empire a few miles away from Cuba will inevitably attempt to influence Cuba and impose as much CIA/shadow gov as it can on the ground. If Cubans allow it. This is a possibility. It is Cuba's Geopolitical past and future to be influenced by it's much larger and aggressive empire neighbor. But why do we deserve, of all governments one that abuses and keeps us living in squalor. If our only choices are between a totalitarian government from abroad and a totalitarian government at home, we might as well try to get the best possible totalitarian government, ideally from home run by Cubans. One that can at least ensure it's citizens can eat.

I am Cuban and I also believe in my people, as nationalistic as that might sound. I don't believe we will turn into Gautemala or Honduras if given the chance. It could happen but is a risk we have to be willing to take unless Cubans want to be further stepped on by their current government. We are different from Guatemalans and Hondurans. we have different ethnically and historically. Not better or worse, just different. We also have a diaspora with many skills, influence, and capital it has acquired, and all of these positives may prove beneficial if we were to change our current (horrible) government. I also get the sense that some of you consider the Cuban government's action as pious and ideologically driven. The government could, for example, become self-sufficient while sticking it to the US if it wanted to. It would have to grant it's citizens more autonomy and rights (such as the ability to commerce) but by taking this step, Native Cubans could use their resources to set up import/export businesses, hotel chains, retail stores, medical services, tourism business, and so fourth. Our economy would become localized but robust and this would allow us in theory to be like Iran, where the Government has a lot of powers but it's economy is resilient to sanctions because the economy activity (and the wealth) of the nation is decentralized and "people" driven. So why don't the cuban leaders take this approach? We would be able to stick it to the US while helping the Cuban nation rise. We could remain hostile to the US, screw their sanctions and their desire for influence over cuba and STILL prosper and have a better run country than we do now. If only our leaders had any ideological spine. But they dont. Turns out the leaders of my "communist" government live capitalist lives and have capitalist interests, and they don't want the nation to be too strong, that would compromise their business monopolies and royal lives. They gift their children hotels, and billion dollar state monopolies. And of course they party on yachts and wear expensive clothing and have expensive taste. Research their lives on Instagram if you don't believe me. Why should these incompetent power hungry capitalist people, who don't even take their own ideology seriously be allowed to rule cubans? Specially if their actions (like I said) are not even based on Nationalism or socialism but on personal, financial interests, that keep CUBA WEAK and at the mercy of the US!

Posted by: Cuban | Jul 12 2021 22:37 utc | 97

DunGroanin @ 92 ask "Wtf has Israel got to do with wanting continuing sanctions against the Cuban people???" could be the Cuban Intruder is announcing that Israeli ops are moving from ME to Caribbean? .

Posted by: snake | Jul 12 2021 22:41 utc | 98

@ 97 cuban... the leaders of cuba have overall definitely had a lot of spine... i think the main exports of cuba are doctors, baseball players and musicians... that is impressive in itself... helping others mostly seems the theme... but the predatory capitalists would like to exploit cuba for all it can, and of course this includes the florida diaspora which are still pissed at the audacity of castro for taking away their special privileges treating the island as a slave colony... that it up with your local florida chapter of politicians who are leeching off the military complex as we speak.. obviously none of that money is seen by cubans.. instead it goes into a group of predators you seem quite okay with.... unless you are getting paid directly for your pr here, you need to figure out who your enemy is... it doesn't look like you've figured this out yet...

Posted by: james | Jul 12 2021 22:51 utc | 99

"We could remain hostile to the US, screw their sanctions and their desire for influence over cuba and STILL prosper and have a better run country than we do now."

Otherwise known as waving one's hand to simply erase the main reason that Cuba isn't a "better country."

Even Reuters had to acknowledge it. I'd say $130Bn over 60 years (Cuban sourced estimate) sounds a bit on the low end too. Wasn't the sugar industry alone likely to produce that level of GDP? Note how Reuters frames it as "unjust" (in scare quotes) and makes sure to use the word "communist" as many times as they can.

The scale and scope of the embargo

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2021 22:51 utc | 100

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