Well, it is useless to argue with people who have no clue about important science like thermodynamics and chemistry.
Here’s a paper from the journal Physical Chemistry: Synthesis of Complex Hydrocarbon Systems at Temperatures and Pressures Corresponding to the Earth’s Upper Mantle Conditions
Note the very firs sentence in the abstract:

The development of the theory of abyssal abiotic petroleum origin [1], as well as any other theory, is impossible without reliable and reproducible experimental data. In this work, we presented the result.

That is the entire difference right there. Biogenetic oil has NEVER been able to be reproduced in the laboratory. Which doesn’t even qualify it as a ‘theory’ under basic scientific method.
Abiotic oil is quite straightforward to reproduce in the lab. It has been done since the 1950s in the Soviet Union, and this paper also carries out a rigorous experiment and details the results.
Here is another paper in the journal Geochemistry:
The Nature of Biomarkers in Oils

Recently, new facts providing evidence for the deep origin of oil were obtained. The system of hydrocarbon bonds in compounds of natural oil is metastable.

All heavy HCs are thermodynamically less stable than methane and hydrogen stoichiometric amount) at low pressures.
According to the statements of equilibrium thermodynamics, methane cannot transform into heavy HCs at low pressures and low temperatures.

Btw, this same paper mentions the industrial Fischer -Tropf process which I had mentioned already.
Also of note is that he paper discusses ‘biomarkers’ found in oil, and how they managed to get there. Therefore this presence of biomarkers doesn’t prove biogenic origin of oil.
Another good discussion here:

The theory of the abiogenic deep origin of hydrocarbons recognizes that the petroleum is a primordial material of deep origin [Kutcherov, Krayushkin 2010].
This theory explains that hydrocarbon compounds generate in the asthenosphere of the Earth and migrate through the deep faults into the crust of the Earth. There they form oil and gas deposits in any kind of rock in any kind of the structural position (Fig. 1).
Thus the accumulation of oil and gas is considered as a part of the natural process of the Earth’s outgassing, which was in turn responsible for creation of its hydrosphere, atmosphere and biosphere.

So a very important point there—the earth’s outgassing created our surface environment of oceans and atmosphere. This SAME NATURAL PROCESS that creates hydrocarbons.
Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation
Now it has also been mentioned that some oil could be the result of biogenic process, namely by the means of subduction by tectonic plates which slide under an adjacent plate and thereby also pull down the layers of he crust above—which could contain peat bogs and other biomass.
This sounds reasonable as an assumption. But the actual mechanism of this process has never been descried. And when we consider the very great depths at which the tectonic plates are located, it seems unlikely that biomass close the surface could in fact be drawn into the great depths of the upper mantle, where the temperatures and pressure are high enough. No one is saying this isn’t possible,but it has not been proven. It is just a thesis.
And finally a good layman article on the subject. This might be a good place to start.
Swedish Scientists & Geologists: Fossil Fuel Theory Busted

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 16 2021 19:01 utc | 104

The Icelandic transparency model
https://www.icelandreview.com/ask-ir/whats-the-status-of-covid-19-vaccination-in-iceland/
https://www.covid.is/covid-19-vaccine

Posted by: Mina | Jul 16 2021 20:26 utc | 106

For those interested in the virus, here is a page of useful links:
http://www.ianmcauley.com/coronavirusresources.html

Posted by: Paul | Jul 16 2021 20:56 utc | 108

@Posted by: Asha K. | July 16, 2021 at 21:21
BTW, that that temperatures rise to 50º C in the desert is far from being new, some a decade or so ago, where the Ahaggar meets the Teneré I traveled way over that temperature, it is difficult to move yourself in the middle of the day, but still you go on…

Posted by: Asha K. | Jul 16 2021 21:29 utc | 110

Stonebird, try opening the ad-blocker one in Microsoft Edge. Works okay for me.
Geologists: Fossil Fuel Theory Busted
Walter, thanks for that link. I’m familiar with Gold’s work. He’s done a lot of good science on this.

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 16 2021 21:48 utc | 112

I hesitate to speak with so many people deep in the science of oil here, but from a lay perspective it seems clear that oil was found in permeable rock formations – fossiliferous or sandy – and it kept on being found there, so that was where you kept on looking as the low hanging fruit was used up and gave way to the need for more elaborate explorations.
And it worked. Everyone assumed the oil originated where it was found. And even developed a reasonable theory about it, which no one really saw any need to test as long as the spice kept flowing. But the Russians said that permeable rock was simply the easiest path for deep oil to migrate towards the surface.
And then the Russians stopped talking to the west about this, not simply because academic scorn was one thing, but perhaps also because strategic considerations were yet another.
And the Russians found oil where no one else thought to look.
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And maybe all this has been said in all the scientific discussion previously – I looked for it but only saw the first inkling in c1ue @113.
I leave the science to others – and apparently we leave the oil to the Russians 😉
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ps..when places like China come up with finds of large oil reservoirs, I often wonder what the back story is to that.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 16 2021 22:31 utc | 114

@ Posted by: Asha K. | Jul 16 2021 21:21 utc | 109
Well, ok, but you have to come up with a better or at least equally possible hypothesis that can be scientifically useful. Just calling the Global Warming hypothesis “a lie” won’t do humanity any favors.
Greenhouse effect is very well explained scientifically, and, so far, is the best thing we can use to predict global weather with at least some hint of precision. You have to have a hypothesis that predicts better, otherwise you’re just being anti-scientific. “There’s nothing we can do”, unless mathematically proven, is the logic of the religious fanatic, not the enlightened scientist.
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@ Posted by: Gordog | Jul 16 2021 21:42 utc | 111
You’re giving yourself up. Abiotic theory is pseudo-science.
Biotic origin theory explains everything satisfactorily. There’s no need to come up with anything else.
Petroleum, natural gas and coal are all biotic, so even if you use the example of converting coal to oil (synthetic oil), you’re still within biotic hypothesis territory (the biotic origin of coal is even more easily and elegantly explainable than the petroleum one).

Posted by: vk | Jul 16 2021 23:22 utc | 116

The existence of a biotic/abiotic hydrocarbon argument is bizarre. The sole issue is “are we going to run out soon?” The answer (IMHO) is “yes we surely will.” Is global baking about to happen? The answer (IMHO) is “yes it surely will, perhaps just after the a very brief (decade?) solar minimum.” There are abiotic hydrocarbons, the simplest of which is interstellar methane, and I thing some slightly more complex gases. And only dying stars can produce elemental carbon, and biological organisms are not dying stars.
The situation of our running out of economically viable energy seem to have just about no solution. But do see:
Focus Fusion Society
We could manufacture enormous rafts covered with heat-reflecting low-E glass. And these could be deployed with barges that operate in the same manner as spring-loaded vertical drop-in dish dispensers. These would reflect useless infrared light energy (responsible for about 50% of the heat) back out into space.

Posted by: blues | Jul 17 2021 1:05 utc | 118

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1462045/china-news-south-china-sea-philippines-world-war-3-joe-biden-xi-jinping-blinken
Hmm, I don’t remember Phillipines asking for help.
The US is desperately trying to bait China.

Posted by: Smith | Jul 17 2021 3:04 utc | 120

https://japantoday.com/category/national/japan-asks-airlines-to-halt-new-bookings-as-olympic-traffic-rises#comment-2533289
Olympics in Japan is turning into a disaster, athletes infect japanese, japanese infect athletes, chaos is running loose while Kingpin Bach is saying “cancelling the Olympics is not an option”. No shogun, no emperor, no samurai to save them.
This is the state Japan is at now, the people must rise up. This is the fruit for being American vassal.

Posted by: Smith | Jul 17 2021 4:00 utc | 122

Below is a short Xinhuanet posting showing China’s quiet growing proficiency in space exploration
”
BEIJING, July 16 (Xinhua) — A reusable suborbital carrier landed stably at an airport in Alxa League in north China’s Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region during a flight demonstration and verification project on Friday.
Earlier on Friday, the carrier was launched from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in northwest China’s Gobi Desert. Its first flight mission was a complete success.
Developed by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, the reusable suborbital carrier can be used in the space transport system.
The success of the flight has laid a solid foundation for the development of China’s reusable space transportation.
”
The dog (Elon Musk) barks and the caravan rolls on….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 17 2021 5:15 utc | 124

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-do-covid-vaccines-protect-against-the-delta-variant/a-58263950
“In the United Kingdom, at least 259 people have died after contracting the delta variant of COVID-19. Of these, 116 people were fully vaccinated.”

Posted by: Mina | Jul 17 2021 7:11 utc | 126

Former NASA executive jailed for Covid-19 relief fraud, spent $300K on credit cards, cars, Disney resorts
Every crisis is an opportunity, I guess.

Posted by: vk | Jul 17 2021 10:32 utc | 128

As a new proof, if more were needed, on that the whole “green” issue is an alibi to squeeze the working class, the EU exempts the green tax on private jets….

Posted by: Asha K. | Jul 17 2021 11:42 utc | 130

@Grieved #114
The WVU slide set shows pretty much all of West Russia and Eastern Europe as being “biotic petroleum rich”. I didn’t look closely to see if the Dnieper region is outside of the boundaries outlined in the slide, but it certainly isn’t far outside of it.
Secondly, I would note that the theories outlined in the WVU paper do not preclude all other forms of accumulation. An ancient swamp the size of Rhode Island could easily form a sizable deposit via the biotic method but be otherwise invisible to discovery through any other means based on historical analysis.
The first link posted in #94 actually lies outside of the West Canada area shown in WVU – yet the company in question, based on biotic oil theories, has had success finding (relatively) small but feasible quantities of hydrocarbons in Eastern Canada.
Thus yet again, this is evidence that people are achieving success in finding hydrocarbons via exploration based on the biotic theory.
It may well be that the geologic formations are what matter – but I would be personally shocked if no one has tried said formations outside of “prime biotic oil” areas before.
Let’s not forget that even exploration within said prime areas come up empty far more than they do success.
Once again, this is indicative of something because it is empirical success, not theory.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2021 12:06 utc | 132

Following up from the above set of assumptions in the abiotic paper:
3) that these markers can not change as oil migrates from formation point to accumulation point
The US frackers, as I understand it, are basically drilling for “condensate”. Condensate, as I understand it, is basically pulling the heavier bits out of natural gas – the already mostly liquid bits. It isn’t “petroleum” from a traditional well but both petroleum and condensates are processed anyway to get gasoline, kerosene etc.
Well, if we’re talking about migration from formation point to accumulation point – particularly as a gas, then further potential post-processing via pressure, time, temperature, whatever for millions of years – it is extremely not obvious to me that the nature and composition of resulting oil wouldn’t change.
The process, sped up and upside down, might look like the electrophoresis step in a DNA profiling getup.
In case you’re not familiar: the “bands” or “rings” in a genetic profile are nothing more than relative accumulations of DNA snippets, by size, from a processed input pile of DNA. The cuts are made at arbitrary points under a set of fixed assumptions. I haven’t looked really deeply enough to ascertain if these break point assumptions are reasonable or the modern equivalent of phrenology – neither would surprise me.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2021 12:47 utc | 134

Random question
Does anyone have any info/sources on the Second Reich, German Empire, and Canada? I guess at that time it would be relations between the British monarch and the German Empire, but specific to Canada??
Asking for a friend. 🙂

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 17 2021 13:00 utc | 136

Clue, let’s try to sum up this discussion.
On the one hand, we understand perfectly well how hydrocarbons form under conditions of extreme temperature and pressure. And this has been proved by experiment.
On the other side, we know only that the ‘biotic’ theory seems to predict reasonably well, where HC deposits should be located.
We also know that biotic HCs cannot be produced under lab conditions. The only way is by the Fischer-Tropf process, which is exactly the conditions under which abiotic HCs are formed.
So the argument seems to be that the geology that predicts ‘biotic’ oil must therefore prove the origins of that oil from biomass.
But where is the link? The cause and effect?
Ie, the ‘biotic’ geology does not preclude the migration of abiotic oil from those abyssal depths, into those same oil-bearing formations.

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 17 2021 13:48 utc | 138

@Gordog #138
I dispute the summarization as follows:

On the one hand, we understand perfectly well how hydrocarbons form under conditions of extreme temperature and pressure. And this has been proved by experiment.

We know one way hydrocarbons form in the laboratory. Laboratory work, by definition, is under a very constrained set of conditions which is normally fine, but in this case may not be representative of the geologic time that is part of this particular equation.
There is an enormous difference between laboratory/textbook chemical reactions, for example, and industrial scale chemical engineering.

On the other side, we know only that the ‘biotic’ theory seems to predict reasonably well, where HC deposits should be located.

Agreed. Proof is in the pudding (or oil bloom).
We also know that biotic HCs cannot be produced under lab conditions. The only way is by the Fischer-Tropf process, which is exactly the conditions under which abiotic HCs are formed.
We only know that this has not been done. We cannot know if it is impossible or there are key ingredients missing (see geologic time above).
Nature has created its own nuclear reactors – but they operated under very different time scales and conditions than man-made ones.

So the argument seems to be that the geology that predicts ‘biotic’ oil must therefore prove the origins of that oil from biomass.

Disagree. This is again simplistic.
What I noted was that it seems geologic structures play some part in both theories:
a) biotic = origin of biomass (from geologic age of strata layer) plus collection
b) abiotic = collection only
Then exploration success based purely on geologic structures could be one way to evaluate.
I am not a geologist, but it seems highly unlikely to me that the specific structures in question (various geologic traps, salt basins etc) are unique to the paleozoic era.

But where is the link? The cause and effect?
Ie, the ‘biotic’ geology does not preclude the migration of abiotic oil from those abyssal depths, into those same oil-bearing formations.

Correct – it is certainly possible that collection of abiotic origin oil is converging into biotic structures. However, if this is correct, then this again focuses on the collection structures per above – which is to say that the structures are what matter – not the paleozoic era biomasses.
Thus one possible way to acquire more, distinguishing data, would be exploration based purely or mostly upon just collection structures. In other words, exploration based on purely geologic features as opposed to the paleozoic age + geologic features.
Ideally it would be explicitly not-paleozoic age structures.
To me – this would be interesting but I can equally see how potential investors and oil company executives would not be particularly excited at the highly risky prospect of spending tens to hundreds of millions of dollars just to prove biotic vs. abiotic. Success – wonderful. Failure = fired.
Ultimately, though, it doesn’t matter. At some point – the biotic methods will run out of area to explore – at which point alternate methods will have their day.
To emphasize:
Just because we don’t know it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist much as there are many situations where phenomena happen but we don’t know exactly how. In my realm – electronics – there are many structures used in literally hundreds of millions of everyday devices for which we don’t actually know precisely how they work. They just do.
The flash memory cell is an excellent example. For all other semiconductor devices, the device models function based on data-derived secondary parameters – current going into a gate, voltage across terminals, that kind of thing. Transistor models are thousands to tens of thousands of lines of code along with data tables etc.
The flash memory device, on the other hand, is 4 lines of code: if voltage at barrier structure is X, then voltage at storage structure becomes Y. The device was created based on accident, explained using quantum mechanics, but we really don’t actually know why X voltage works vs. X-20% nor can we model it except via the simplistic workaround noted above.
Another example would be the Hall effect. The effect was documented early on, but the engineering capability to model, design and use it didn’t really come into play until semiconductors. It is specifically why the semiconductor folk refer to current (in p-type semiconductors) as positive holes vs. negatively charged electrons flowing.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2021 16:38 utc | 140

Can someone please help me to make sense of this latest Pepe Escobar / Paul Craig Roberts texts?
I’m kind of baffled that Bozo Brazil’s president defends malaria’s treatment against Covid (with HidroxiCloroQuine and Ivermectin) and so does PCR and Pepe.
A “must read” on Pepe’s Telegram channel:
https://www.unz.com/proberts/how-the-covid-pandemic-was-orchestrated/

Posted by: Need Help | Jul 18 2021 1:08 utc | 142

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-07-17/russia-offered-us-use-of-central-asia-bases-for-afghan-intel-paper
“Russia Offered U.S. Use of Central Asia Bases for Afghan Intel – Paper”
Can someone confirm this news?
If this is true, WTF Putin? You don’t share sheep pent with wolves.

Posted by: Smith | Jul 18 2021 6:02 utc | 144

Posted by: Need Help | Jul 18 2021 1:08 utc | 142
Roberts is generally useless for analysis of the modern situation and has no idea about COVID. Tends to get too excited. Nice enough fellow, of course. Used to be a political hack here under Carter or Raygun, I forget which.
Pepe is better, but has some emotional attachments and indulges in some marketing efforts from time to time (which is not “analysis”). He is one of the handful of people I always check out, to see what he says.
While I am here, Meyssan is interesting about what he knows, which is Syria & M. E. politics. I still check him out once in a while. He went full tankie for Trump though, has not shown good judgement about what Western elites are up to, and western culture in general. If I remember right, he is IN Syria, and he does know what he is talking about at times.
Bhadrakumar is another one I always see what he says, but he tends to be too kind to Uncle Sugar and being an Indian diplomat he shares some of their attitudes, just like Craig Murray with the UK or Alistair Crooke.
Nobody is perfect.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2021 6:52 utc | 146

Despite the almost general informative blackout, even in Russian media, hundreds of thousands marched today in main French cities, Marseille, Nantes, París, Pau, La Rochelle, Toulouse, Metz, Perpignan, also at colonies, like Martinique, against Macron´s dictatorship.
The demonstrations were mostly peaceful, some being headed by health workers in uniform and even some, in an unplanned way, by the police refusing to fight the crowd, while in places like Lyon and Dijon the police threw gas canisters to the crowd….
As the demonstrators were passing, some policemen laid their helmets at the floor, while being responded by the health workers laying their white coeats and red cross vests…
The Yellow Vests movement has joined the protests, and as well some right wing politicians like Philopot, trying to capitalize for the next presidential elections next year.
The left/CNT strangely absent….
While searching for this info through Firefox, my computer went out of service, then turned to my smartphone, to find the same phenomena happen…!!!!
Going preparing for the internet blackout? Was that what CyberPoligon was about? Recall Russia was aboard the “simulacra”…
Most images and best info I found so far by this twitter account under the name “Gillets Jaunes – Anonymous”, although I do not trust “Anonymous”, whom I deem a CIA front, who may be trying to hijack the protests to pervert/disarticulate/crminalize them…
https://twitter.com/ChalecosAmarill/status/1416491927168602112
https://twitter.com/ChalecosAmarill/status/1416492680637464576
https://twitter.com/MarcianoBobadil/status/1416437124300218368
In front of the resistance by hoteliers to ask their customers for the “Covid Passport”, as if they were not French citoyens, stating they are not policemen, some putting in their windows sticks with a moto oppossing these dictatorial measures, the Macron authortarian government announced jail terms plus expensive fines in the dozens of hundreds of thousands, for both, customers and hoteliers, entering/allowing into their business without the “Covid Pass”, this way criminalizing the committed taxpayers worst they have done with ISIS “freedom fighters” returning France…
Those submitted “vaccinated” thinking they have avoided punishment, for now, soon will realize the dictatorial measures are here to stay for all, as Fauci himself announces the “vaccinated” will for sure catch Covid-19, and the hospitals are crowded by “vaccinated” people who are really those causing the “5th wave”…( notice the total discoordination of waves numbers amongst the countries joining in this madness, some in the 3rd wave, while others in the 5th, a sign that the governmetns simply follow orders from above and have no clue, even some may have lost the account of waves..it would be hilarious if it not were so tragic and worrying…) Meanwhile in countries like Sweden they seem to de doing a normal life…

Posted by: Asha K. | Jul 18 2021 12:11 utc | 148

Gordog | Jul 17 2021 18:29 utc | 141
Just to thank you for the link yesterday. Which I followed, more or less. I am not trying to intrude into your discussion with c1ue. (Just following.)
I then got sidetracked into the “Anaerobic archaea”* and the production of Methane. Deep, under the lower crust. (*single-celled microorganisms as a primary step)
“Thus, abiogenic synthesis of hydrocarbons can take place in the basic and ultra-basic rocks of the asthenosphere.”.
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c1ue | Jul 18 2021 10:11 utc | 150
Following on from the Donesk basin/Gas-Oil reference. I was unable to find the exact villages mentioned. (Spelling changes, no doubt.) But this provokes a side question, Why doesn’t Ukraine simply forage some more, rather than relying on Russian Gas pipelines? What if this area lies under the DPR and Luhansk?
Ukraine. 17 giant and supergiant gas fields were discovered in the Lower Carboniferous age sandstones of the Dnieper-Donets Basin at the depth range of 4500-6287 m. At these depths, the total proven reserves of natural gas is 142.6 109 cu m. The total recoverable reserves of condensate is 2.3 106 t [Gozhik et al., 2006].
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I ended up finding this “So, as a first step, her group is now hunting Borgs in Californian rice paddies. Lovely image, looking for aliens in rice paddies run by the Chinese in California. (justified in the article I was reading.)
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(Just to spoil it; Borgs are => “extra-long DNA strands” that are associated with Archaea). Then I gave up.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 18 2021 12:29 utc | 150

The popular mobilization, and people posting through social media bars and restaurants desertedm has managed to get the mayor of Moscow to annul the requirement to show the “vaccination passport” in the bars and restaurants of the capital…All of a sudden, they reached an acceptable number of vaccinated people and the Delta variant caused wave decrease…in face of the coming Duma elections, of course…
https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/16/moscow-drops-covid-vaccination-proof-demand-for-restaurant-clients
As leaked through his usual bragging by Pompeo when he still was SoS, we area here in a “live exercise” on whether the population would submitt willingly even to phisical termintation, like lambs peacefully walking to the slaughterhouse, if instilled with enough fear….

Posted by: Asha K. | Jul 18 2021 12:53 utc | 152

Not only French people, but also Australians demonstrate against lockdowns, mandatory vaccination and “Covid passport”…
https://twitter.com/i/status/1416641046189154306

Posted by: Asha K. | Jul 18 2021 13:06 utc | 154

So far, the government who is offering most real data is the UK one…
Gibraltar’s government provides vax status for all recent covid cases. I aggregated the data for residents and have presented it below.
They used 100% Pfizer
Negative efficacy is on the table…
Why at this point and with these data vaccination is being made mandatory, you should ask yourself…b
Because they need to artificially prolong the “pandemic” to reach their real goals ( techosanitary dictatorship..) of ocurse…and enrich the US hedge funds who hold main shares at Pfizer and even the US government who holds shares at Moderna…
https://twitter.com/TedPetrou/status/1416526132522930179

Posted by: Asha K. | Jul 18 2021 13:21 utc | 156

@Stonebird #153
The USGS actually has a page up on the Dnieper-Donets basin: USGS link

A single total petroleum system encompassing the entire sedimentary succession is identified in the Dnieper-Donets basin. Discovered reserves of the system are 1.6 billion barrels of oil and 59 trillion cubic feet of gas. More than one-half of the reserves are in Lower Permian rocks below the salt seal. Most of remaining reserves are in upper Visean-Serpukhovian (Lower Carboniferous) strata. The majority of discovered fields are in salt-cored anticlines or in drapes over Devonian horst blocks; little exploration has been conducted for stratigraphic traps.

Again, I’m no expert but it sure reads like a “American biotic oil” type description.
As for why the Ukraine doesn’t just get its own gas:
This Oxford Energy paper talks about it. Ukraine internal consumption is between 35-50 bcm per year. Internal production is 20-25 bcm per year. Thus Ukraine is a net importer of natural gas.
1 bcm = 35.3 billion cubic feet – thus the 59 trillion cubic feet in the Dnieper Donets basin = 1681 bcm.
This seems like a lot until you note that the Ukraine used to transit 150+ bcm of Russian natural gas per year to Europe. This figure has fallen to 100-ish bcm most recently and is likely to fall even further.
The 150+ bcm transit plus the 15-30ish bcm internal usage represents an enormous financial benefit to Ukraine. Which makes it all the more ironic that said country’s turn towards hostility to Russia is literally shooting itself in the foot. I guess those people figured Russia had no alternative for gas transit so they could get away with it.
Clearly they miscalculated.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 18 2021 15:35 utc | 158

Biden administration dumping some in the Isr deep state?
https://thewire.in/government/project-pegasus-journalists-ministers-activists-phones-spying

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2021 16:08 utc | 160

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 18 2021 16:04 utc | 162
.As with Covaxial “experts”, I no longer have a deep respect for self confessed “talking heads” or many who profess to be “scientists”. But luckily, very occasionally, one come across those who really do know their subject. (As above)
Silence may be golden, but it doesn’t pay much.
Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 18 2021 16:04 utc | 162
Totally. Having been an “expert” and a “wizard” a few times myself, I just don’t believe in them really. We need a lot more generalists, not all these snotty one-trick ponies who want you to pay through the nose for their mechanically applied “expertise”.
I was reading lately they found a fungus they think uses radiation for energy. I think it was the alpha particles. My.
I like this quote:
“I understood every word, it was when they put them in sentences that it got difficult”. Which is more accurate.
That’s because they are “setting a mood”, not making an argument.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2021 16:36 utc | 162

Chernobyl?
I know that mutations have happened there, and that Mushrooms were forbidden to be eaten here in France at the time, because they “stock” particles. (Again, were they Alpha particles or others?)
Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 18 2021 16:50 utc | 166
I hear Chernobyl is thriving without us, but no, this was in deep rock, I think. I’ll see if I can bring it up again …
Ah, here’s a pdf:
X-treme Microbes: Eating Radioactivity – NSF
And a story:
ABC

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2021 17:34 utc | 164

@152 Asha K.
Thank you for those links and for the reminder of what Pompeo said, namely that we are in a “live exercise” in the pandemic.
As time goes by, and the data become more visible, it becomes more clear that death from vaccine is more likely than death from COVID.
And it becomes clear, as the court in Lisbon compels the truth to be revealed, that almost nobody died from the virus, while numerous persons died from the falsified attributions to the virus – as well us, undoubtedly, from the social consequences of the political oppression that eagerly took advantage of the excuse provided by the virus.
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And what has it shown, this live exercise? Perhaps it has shown that, from any population, half are not going to roll over and die on command, while the other half will.
I find those good percentages, good odds for a race. Fifty-fifty. Better than I might have guessed.
Please keep providing your news stories and perspectives on this foul exercise.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 19 2021 3:19 utc | 166