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July 08, 2021

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vk "the vaccines work"

not very well:

Do post all the bioaccumulation studies so we can be sure they work safely.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2021 4:39 utc | 101

Ivermectin. Here's a superbly concise summary of the latest facts from Brett and Heather, as they take their final question in the recent Q&A #86 of the Dark Horse podcasts.

The question deals with what if anything a vaccinated person can do to limit potential harm to self and to others from being vaccinated - can ivermectin help? The wonderful news is that yes, it can. I had thought this but never quite had all the answers packaged together so usefully before.

Brett recites information from Dr. Pierre Kory that ivermectin can help with: (1) post vaccination symptoms, and also help with (2) long-haul post-Covid conditions, as well as being effective (3) during the disease and (4) as a prophylactic against the disease.

That's an amazing range of efficacy, and Brett acknowledges that no one could have guessed this in advance, but clinical experience is showing it to be true.

The passage runs from 1:21:00 to about 1:25:45, so that's just under five minutes and it's absolutely packed with findings about ivermectin that I believe many here will appreciate hearing:

Your Questions Answered - Bret and Heather 86th DarkHorse Podcast Livestream

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 9 2021 4:58 utc | 102

Max | Jul 9 2021 4:00 utc | 124

Hi MAX. Try this i'view of M Hudson. I used it to open s/o to MH's work yet I knew I had near zero cred to do that. Instead, gave him this link to learn WHO MH is...then this s/o might himself reach for MH's work.

Of course, I only have my opinion that MH is helpful. Part of his cred is his self-effacing honesty. This has enabled me to shlog thru a lot of MH writing that I do not understand. His cred even forces me to look-up words in the dictionary...such a pain in the ass!...but I do learn a lot about my...ummm. stupidity.

Posted by: chu teh | Jul 9 2021 5:53 utc | 103

@Gordog | Jul 8 2021 20:39 utc | 72

This is fascinating information, many thanks! Please continue!

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 6:08 utc | 104

more on MH

And oh yeah, MH does not bother apologizing bec he worked for ABC or was in communication with xyz. He just states it in passing and continues his need to get off his mission to learn and share and do his best to educate, i.e. to lead out.

Personally, I think he knows we are all trapped by much more than economics or our mistakes or wrongnesses...that the trap exists but is yet unknown to all of us as we flail about.

Posted by: chu teh | Jul 9 2021 6:08 utc | 105

@DG | Jul 8 2021 21:50 utc | 88

Mandatory vaccinations and the vaccination of children with vaccines that are still in clinical trials are crimes against humanity.

I know I’m repeating myself

Thank you for repeating this obvious fact the criminals want us to forget.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 6:12 utc | 106

Absurdio | Jul 9 2021 4:08 utc | 125

Hello there!

Yes, next year you and Elizabeth can do The Lambeth Walk together! Have a good old knees up.

I don't think she'd have got through the pandemic without Corry

(Captain) William Roache is now 89 so they had to keep his lines very short if he was to remember properly.


Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 9 2021 6:24 utc | 107

More re MH...

And if you do listen to

be sure to clear-up every word or mumble you did not hear clearly...then look-up every word maybe you do not really understand the way MH uses it.

Something awesome might happen.

Posted by: chu teh | Jul 9 2021 6:25 utc | 108

We now have two corrections to earlier suppositions about the vaccines that appeared here, as well as all over the web, a week or two back: (1) the "vaccines" are not killing two people for every three they save, and (2) the CDC is not rigging the PCR test cycles to show less re-infection with vaccinated people - or rather, they are, but their purpose may be benign.


So speaking of Brett and Heather...I'm watching their #86 Livestream, which is recorded and downloaded from a week ago, and which happened right before they went into the Q&A session I linked to above at #127.

They start off with two corrections to claims they made in an earlier show. This is useful to us because they correct a paper that we saw here a week or so back that suggested the "vaccines", so called, of the west were killing two people for every three they saved. This paper has now been retracted, and Heather especially deals with the paper and its methodology and why it was right to retract it.

For us, we can take the bottom line that the findings are not sound, and the claim is not true, so we can check that off the list.

The second correction is the claim that CDC is requiring PCR test cycles of 28 or lower for vaccinated people when testing for breakthrough disease conditions. This remains true, but may not be part of the sinister ploy to distort the data that it appeared to be, because CDC is specifically looking for escape variants at this time, so it's gone for the absolute sharpest accuracy of low threshold cycles it can use.

This raises other questions about prior policies, but let that drift for now. It's still all pretty fishy. And clear directives from CDC are still impossible to find - there is undoubtedly an obscuring action at work.

Agencies such as CDC and WHO are not scientific bodies - they're healthcare bodies but not science bodies, and they reflect policy as well as science. This second correction by Brett and Heather evolves into a discussion of the distinction between scientific investigation and investigative journalism.

So, if you'd like to follow that fascinating stream of scientific analysis as it bears on the pandemic that currently rules our lives, plan on about 25 minutes and go here:

Bret and Heather 86th DarkHorse Podcast Livestream

The sequence starts at 20:00 and lasts until just after 45:00. If you love scientific method, you'll probably find this wonderfully engaging.


What I like about Brett Weinstein and Heather Heying - and I'm sure what tens of thousands of other fans like too - is that they are both scientists and they discuss everything in scientific terms. They are essentially a living example of scientific method.

And all of this is incredibly nutritious to those of us who value scientific method, which is essentially the attempt, with rigor, to discern the relative truth of a set of things out of a reality that appears to us initially as chaos.

We are all trying to do this, and they have made the point that as living beings we are actually born with scientific method as a natural practice, and it is largely indoctrinated out of us as we grow.

So, scientific method is carried into practice in the 25-minute segment I suggest, and we also for ourselves can now dispel two claims that were found not to be real. Thus it is that we work our way through the illusions of this pandemic and establish the truths of it.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 9 2021 6:30 utc | 109

Reminder, there are always rehearsals for the next "step" into domination of the masses - or even rehearsals of terrorists "game changer actions" (ie. 9/11, 7/7, Pre-Covid "pandemic" trials), before the real thing.

REMINDER - "Cyber Polygon" - a simulation exercise of a global cyber pandemic by Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum starts tomorrow, July 9.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 9 2021 7:56 utc | 110

Suspect No.1: Why Fort Detrick lab should be investigated for global COVID-19 origins tracing

Posted by: Mao | Jul 9 2021 8:00 utc | 111


Can you comment if it is possible for a 757/767 airplane to fly at 500+ Mph at level flight at sea level (1200-1600 ft)?
Do the engines put out enough trust to do that at that altitude?

Posted by: Serduk | Jul 9 2021 8:02 utc | 112

From Popbitch - my favourite source of scurrilous englander scuttlebutt:

"As Delta variant cases continue to rise around the UK, the latest Covid hotspot appears to be the Baby Shard. Word is that the NewsUK offices are awash with cases after Rupert Murdoch paid a visit to town. Because Rupert doesn't like people working from home, the call went up for as many staff to make their way into the office as possible.

The result? Now almost everyone is isolating, including the editors of the Times and Sunday Times."

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 9 2021 8:02 utc | 113

@ VK # 61

The goal of the vaccines is not to make one completely immune to reinfection by COVID-19. Their goal is to make them transmit much less (close to zero) and immune to grave cases of COVID-19. A vaccinated person may get infected by the SARS-CoV-2, but he/she will only have an very mild case worst case scenario (more likely non-symptomatic) and most likely will not infect other people.

"Less transmitting"= no
"close to zero"= 😂(Israel, GB...)
"very mild case" = as 98% without any "vaccine"

"most likely will not infect other people" = highly likely ®

Posted by: Odenwälder | Jul 9 2021 8:04 utc | 114

now it is getting funnier..
israel has already bought the 3rd, autumn jabs of pfizer for all its population, after pfizer announced in april that it would be needed..
but the EU and the US is trying to make it their own way (they cannot count of on US aid for cash?!)
and while the French announce there will be a third jab for the at risk and elderly, the US say it wont be needed.

i love scientific precision.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 9 2021 8:05 utc | 115

Vax works!
But what does that mean?

Pfizer Inc plans to ask US regulators to authorize a booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine within the next month, the drugmaker's top scientist said on Thursday, based on evidence of greater risk of reinfection six months after inoculation

"A Lack Of Understanding"

It's only been a year
But it feels like a lifetime here
How's it been for you?
Does it feel like a lifetime too?
What would you do now in light of it all?
I don't regret it in spite of it all
If I can't convince you then nobody can I guess
Are you ready, are you ready, are you ready for this?
Should I shake your hand or should I give you a kiss?
Is this everything you always hoped it would be?
We'll see...

Science is all about evidence and numbers
But what does that mean?

Pfizer expects the COVID-19 vaccine to be a major revenue contributor for years, and has forecast sales of $26 billion from the shot in 2021. Global spending on COVID-19 vaccines and booster shots could total $157 billion through 2025, according to US health data firm IQVIA Holdings.
Any Marxist analysis ?

Quotes from

Posted by: Odenwälder | Jul 9 2021 8:58 utc | 117

Catlin Johnson provides us with a quiet and friendly link.
Very useful to understand our own
Psychological Compartmentalization

More on

Posted by: Odenwälder | Jul 9 2021 9:34 utc | 118

Gordog @116

Michael Hudson, in 2018, confessing to being one of the guilty:

"In the last few months that I worked for Chase Manhattan in 1967, I was going up to my office on the ninth floor and a man got on the elevator and said, “I was just coming to your office, Michael. Here is a report. I’m from the State Department (I assumed that this meant CIA). “We want to calculate how much money the US could get if we set up bank branches and became the bank for all the criminal capital in the world.” He said, “We figured out we can finance, (and he said this in an elevator), we can finance the Vietnam War with all the drug money coming into America, all of the criminal money. Can you make a calculation of how much that might be?”

So I spent three months figuring out how much money goes to Switzerland, from drug dealings, what’s the dollar volume of drug dealings. They helped me with all sorts of statistics on that, and said, “We can become the criminal capital of the world and it’ll finance the dollar and this will enable us to afford the spending to defeat communism in Vietnam and elsewhere. If we don’t do that, the bomb throwers will come to New York.”

So I became a specialist in money laundering!

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 9 2021 11:00 utc | 119

Here is a very typical piece of Western MSM disinformation about the HMS Defender's violation of Russian waters. I have found maybe twenty or so similar such anti-Russian fake news stories on the internet. The story seems to be getting less press on the main MSM networks, perhaps because they realize it is merely a matter of time before the claims made get soundly refuted, which in fact they already have been.


Posted by: Billosky | Jul 9 2021 11:29 utc | 120

Who could have guessed?

Police say they’ve identified a ‘commando team’ of 28 attackers, among them 26 Colombians and two Americans, who they say are responsible for the gangland-style killing.

Source: Sputnik and videos here.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 9 2021 11:30 utc | 121

Please repost the referenced post, Sir Gordog.

"earlier, and somewhat lengthy technical discussion of today's state of space technology, where the media narrative is that the US is greatly advanced, due mostly the 'exploits' of SpaceX---when in fact the situation is quite the opposite. "

I applaud the synopsis this gentleman "Gordog" has posted.

Posted by: Walter | Jul 9 2021 12:43 utc | 122

Political analyst Ricot Dupuy said (as told by Jamaican journalist Dave Rodney) : "Moise ran a criminal enterprise for a government and the country was effectively ruled by 9 gangs who had the president’s stamp of approval and his official consenting wink to launch a carnival of criminality, including a series of kidnappings to generate income. Haitians of limited means were forced to sell everything they had to pay the ransom to get their relatives back alive, and this often needed the help of family and friends in the Diaspora who had to cough up the US$200,000 to $400,000 bandit fee. In one particularly chilling kidnapping that was recorded and went viral, a church minister with clergy and choir members were kidnapped during their church service. The gang operations were ably supervised by a man called 'Barbeque', a feared and ferocious government terrorist. Guns were the currency on the streets, and some of these guns made their way to Jamaica. During Moise’s term in office, there were 11 state-sponsored massacres across Haiti in which hundreds of innocent lives were lost. The slaughters were primarily designed to instill fear among the people and to suppress any thoughts of opposition to and demonstrations against the government." If that is all true, then it is hard to feel any sympathy for the hapless Moise. If anything, the adage that applies is: Stricto vive gladio, gladio morere transfixus! More from Haitian diplomat Raymond Joseph.

Posted by: Maracatu | Jul 9 2021 12:52 utc | 123

Just to add a personal perspective to the Covid vaccine discussion. I am a true anti-vaxxer, although I converted later in life (mid-30s) so I’ve had several vaccines. I just decided to follow a fundamentally different route to health than the one that includes vaccines. So I genuinely believe that other methods of preventing and treating infectious diseases are preferable, overall, to a shot in the arm.

So in Canada, I expected that after the rush for vaccination resulted in the majority of the population (who do want a vaccine) being vaccinated, the government would ease up or relax the rules for the minority who aren’t interested. Not so. It’s the same level of intensity as last year or several months back. Because the restrictions are so severe, and I’d like to get involved in activities that require vaccination, I decided to take the shot. I was given the Pfizer one earlier this week, to which I’ve had no reaction thus far. (I am who/what I am, so I loaded up on vitamin C, D, and took a good-quality multivitamin and a good-quality probiotic before being injected.)

I did read some of the government’s information about the vaccines. They specifically stated that the spike proteins did not accumulate in your body/organs, which was one concern I had. If that’s a bald-faced lie, then they are setting themselves up for massive law suits or public action ion the future. And that is extremely un-Canadian government-like. Just look at all the wrangling about residential schools for Indigenous peoples. The Canadian government is highly adverse to that sort of thing, and has no problem obfuscating extensively to avoid it. That leads me to think that maybe they aren’t anticipating massive damage from the vaccine campaign, although we’ll see what benefits it produces. The Canadian authorities also tend to follow a certain course of action for the exclusive benefit of keeping the peace with Washington and/or London, even if it requires spending billions.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 9 2021 13:01 utc | 124


I deleted a somewhat racist, insulting discussion between Afgun and Sol.


Posted by: b | Jul 9 2021 13:08 utc | 125

Posted by: Maracatu | Jul 9 2021 12:52 utc | 123

Thanks for the update RE Haiti. It sure looks like a narco/spook/drug-gang hit. Sloppy too. Or set up themselves. Such nice people. It reminds one of the drug wars in Mexico.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 9 2021 13:19 utc | 126


Can you comment if it is possible for a 757/767 airplane to fly at 500+ Mph at level flight at sea level (1200-1600 ft)?

My question would be about the dynamics of the structure of that jet at that speed. My understanding is that the higher speeds were for higher elevations where the air was much thinner.

Would flight at low elevations at something at or approaching cruising speed would be hard on the structure, set off multiple cockpit alarms, and possibly lead to structural failure?

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2021 14:10 utc | 127

Posted by: Maracatu | Jul 9 2021 12:52 utc | 123

Haitian political analyst Patrick Mattelus is interviewed by Bolivia's Kawsachun News on what's going on in Haiti. It's in Spanish with English subtitles. Sounds to me like end stage capitalism which is happening in Ukraine, Honduras, Colombia, Guatemala and many other countries. "Haiti's President Jovenel Moïse was assassinated while under the protection of a security apparatus "from the United States itself" says Haitian political analyst Patrick Mattelus. He gives some historical context.
Click on the link below. Then look at the twitter feeds on the right and click. You don't need to have a twitter account (I don't) to view.

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 9 2021 14:21 utc | 128

Praise be on the Taliban!

Posted by: Smith | Jul 9 2021 14:35 utc | 129

It's not called "debt trap" when the USA does it:

I.M.F. Board Backs $650 Billion Aid Plan to Help Poor Countries


@ Posted by: Mina | Jul 9 2021 8:05 utc | 115; @ Posted by: Odenwälder | Jul 9 2021 8:04 utc | 114

Read my first comment in this thread on the link by the SCMP smearing the Sinovac vaccine. We already knew the SARS-CoV-2 would come to stay, and that we would need to update the vaccines from time to time (most likely once per year). This Delta variant seems to be the first one that is resistant to every vaccine in existence today, but we're still not sure.

Adenoviral vaccines can be easily updated (a month on average) because the adenovirus can be replicated biologically. The mRNA vaccines will have to be re-engineered "artificially", so they take longer to update. What's worse, it seems the mRNA vaccines are more - not less - specialists than the adenoviral vaccines, i.e. they are statistically less efficient against variants of the virus it was made to fight against than its adenoviral counterpart.

That the SARS-CoV-2 will stay with humanity forever is already given. That's why Big Pharma is fighting to the death against Gamaleya and the Chinese labs for this market. Putin said this market is worth USD 100 billion. This is a fight for a permanent - not a temporary - source of income for these pharmaceuticals.

Posted by: vk | Jul 9 2021 14:51 utc | 130

No, it's not given, vk @ 132. We still know so little about the virus, and we know even less about the future. Fortunately.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 14:57 utc | 131

@ ADKC | Jul 9 2021 0:45 utc | 85

The idea of the "end of enlightenment" only really came into use with regard to the abandonment of the scientific method with regard to Covid-19 and the vaccines - and was not made by the "liberal middle class" BUT BY A GROUP OF SCIENTISTS WHO FIND THEMSELVES MARGINLALISED, THEIR WORK AND OPINIONS IGNORED AND DISMISSED AND WHO ARE SHOCKED AT THE ABANDONMENT OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

Abandoning the scientific method means the advent of a new dark age and the gates of Hell (if you believe in it) are then wide open. This is where the "west" is heading unless people come to their senses.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 14:58 utc | 132

b @ 125, it should not be supposed that the participants in that discussion represent those whom they claim to represent. They do them great dishonor, which is not what Afghanistan needs. It is not what any country needs from its citizens. And that is a lesson to me. When we exaggerate the faults we see in our own countries, we don't really help them prosper in the best sense of the term. Best to look to how we can make things better, not worse.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 15:05 utc | 133

Iran gets lot of technical support and transfer, from North Korea, and they pay in oil, which North Korea needs, the Air Defence get assistance from Belarus, as well Yakovlev Company in Russia helps out with air craft, mainly jet trainers! as well there is lot of reverse engineering, which Iran has perfected!

Posted by: Grishka | Jul 9 2021 15:12 utc | 134

@ Sol | Jul 9 2021 15:01 utc | 136:

I have this sneaking suspicion we're dealing with the same bridge dweller who infested Daily Kos back in the day when it was less obviously a CIA enterprise.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 9 2021 15:14 utc | 135

c1ue @33: "But of course, the bio-weapon theory is further idiotic because..."

It is not the theory that is idiotic but the deed that is idiotic. You use the negative consequences for the empire of the bio attack as evidence to disprove the bio attack theory, but this "evidence" is predicated entirely upon the assumption that those who carried out the attack are not idiots and can accurately assess the outcomes of their actions. This assumption on your part is just American exceptionalism polluting your intellect and is no different from the resident bunny's incessant assertions that "They meant to do that all along!" whenever the empire does a face plant into the pavement.

Furthermore, the idiots in the misnamed "intelligence community" (where the bio attack doubtless originated) had every reason to believe that such a relatively treatable and low mortality virus would easily be better handled by the US than by China, assuming SARS Mk II escaped China's borders in exactly the way that SARS Mk I did not. This is to say that the misnamed "intelligence community" planners for the bio attack likely fully expected that China would be able to contain the pandemic. Recall that immediately prior to the outbreak the CDC and Johns Hopkins released a report listing the USA and UK as #1 and #2 countries best able to handle a pandemic. The morons who launched the pandemic believed in their own exceptionality and were confident of the superiority of capitalism and "The American Way™".

[Aside: Note the trademark symbol above. That marks the particular "intellectual property" that the empire expected the Chinese to "steal" that would allow American businessmen to take over China. "The American Way™" basically means that power in any nation goes to the highest bidder, and since America prints the world's reserve currency that highest bidder will always be an American businessman.]

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 9 2021 15:16 utc | 136

@circumspect | Jul 9 2021 14:10 utc | 127

Can you comment if it is possible for a 757/767 airplane to fly at 500+ Mph at level flight at sea level (1200-1600 ft)?

I am not Gordog, but the answer is no. Even if the answer had been yes, you cannot turn a steel highrise into a pile of dust by flying an aluminium tube into it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 15:21 utc | 137

@ William Gruff | Jul 9 2021 15:16 utc | 141

This is to say that the misnamed "intelligence community" planners for the bio attack likely fully expected that China would be able to contain the pandemic.

I'm assuming you meant "wouldn't"?

Posted by: corvo | Jul 9 2021 15:21 utc | 138

@Mina #33
An oligarchy is not just oligarchs - it is the entire support system around them.
Did any billionaires die from COVID? Not that I am aware of but plenty of the supporting staff did.
Some examples:
Maurice Berger Chief curator of the Center for Art, Design and Visual Culture
Carole Brookins Executive director of the World Bank (2001–2005)
William B. Helmreich Professor of Sociology at The Graduate Center, CUNY
Robert H. Garff Speaker of the Utah House of Representatives (1985–1987) and member of the Utah House of Representatives (1978–1987)
James T. Goodrich Professor of Neurosurgery at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Ted Monette Military officer and FEMA Director of the Office of Federal Coordinating Officer Operations
Johnny Lee Baynes Justice of the Supreme Court of New York (since 2010)
Kevin Duffy Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (1972–1998)
Anick Jesdanun Technology reporter and editor, first internet writer for the Associated Press
Lila Fenwick Chief of the United Nations Human Rights Council
Noach Dear Justice of the Supreme Court of New York (since 2015)

This is just through April 20, 2020.

Yes, certainly at least some of these would have passed away in 2020 anyway but it is also certain that COVID cut their lives short, nor were all of them 70+.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:22 utc | 139

@ 99

Max: I read your latest posts with great interest. Here's some feedback. Here's my baseline assertions:

Money is a claim on others' wealth. My dollars can buy other people's assets (some potatoes or 2 acres of land) How money is brought into being is less relevant than that money is created at roughly the same rate/proportion as new assets/wealth are created, and (this is important) money is destroyed at the same rate/proportion as the assets it represents die (got to the landfill, are depleted, are junked, etc). If these two things happen at the right time and rate, then money will perform it's function as a medium of exchange, and will have constant buying power

You seem to assert that creating money created as debt by banks is bad, and that money should be created as an asset instead.

The reason banks are granted authority to create money is that the lending act is presumed to correspond to a commensurate increase in societal wealth, and that if the bank makes an unwise loan, the loan won't be repaid, which results in a direct hit on bank equity, and the amount of the hit to bank equity serves to reduce the money supply appropriately. Banks are theoretically in the best position to allocate capital, and are therefore enabled to do it, and have a strong incentive to make good money-creation decisions.

Let's agree in advance that lately the "hit to bank capital in the event of bad loan" mechanism has failed badly, as evidenced by the western financial systems "print to recapitalize" strategy for addressing the Great Financial Crisis of 2008.

But if the money-creation act is effectively constrained by actual hits to bank shareholder equity, then I assert that banks should be pretty good agents for the creation of money and corresponding creation of new wealth.

I also assert that the failure of our western financial systems to destroy money as the corresponding wealth it represents (is a claim upon) dies (junked, consumed, etc.) is an un-addressed yet key problem, and explains a great deal about why we have experienced such a profound degradation of the buying power of the dollar (or nearly any other fiat currency) over time.

So here's my key question: what is your alternative money creation mechanism, wherein money is created as an asset? Whose asset, and by what operation (transaction and parties) is that asset created and allocated?

With respect to your remarks about Michael Hudson, my awareness of his writings is recent and shallow. One thing I do remember him saying is that the reason the U.S. economy is struggling is that there is too much rent-seeking in the production equation, and that basic functions like housing, education and transportation should be a public responsibility in order to cut out the rent-seekers and put the cost-structure of the American household on more equal footing with that of, say, China. Chinese labor rates can be lower because the Chinese household cost structure is lower, and that cost structure is lower because China society underwrites a lot of the costs of housing and education.

This notion seems to be anathema to the rent-seekers, and those rent-seekers seem to be principal antagonist in your story line. And Mr. Hudson shouts this message from the tree-tops, so effectively that even I am aware of it.

Please explain how someone captured by the Vampire Squid would say such things.


And to Gordog: Nice work! I'd also like to hear how you think the Chinese were able to stick a dark-side-of-the-moon and Mars landing on the first go. I was impressed by that. I'd also like to point out that there must, by now, be a very large international body of astro-mechanics software and the related communications infrastructure which enables this sort of thing to get done so effectively by so many new entrants to the game. I think astro-mechanics software, robotics, space comms are rapidly commoditization, and the miniaturization of the payloads is playing a big part of the story.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 9 2021 15:27 utc | 140

@Blue Dotterel #39
You are still avoiding the problem of where COVID came from.
A lab leak from bio-weapons research denotes incredible incompetence combined with the bottled lightning of the discovery of the secondary infection path used by COVID.
Possible as is almost anything, but something which requires extraordinary evidence.

Nor is the "COVID circulating for months" before outbreak credible. We know for a fact that COVID spreads very easily and rapidly - this has been documented over and over in the past year plus.
If COVID really were out in the wild for months - there should have been outbreaks in urban areas long before March/April 2020. The only way the "COVID was out for months" theory works is with yet more deus ex machina type of coincidences: COVID was out but with either a much less virulent form or in some type of controlled, dispersed population with no travel to speak of.

As for "prepared to use it": I am quite unclear why this matters.
Determined, smart people will try to make lemonade from lemons - so what? It doesn't guarantee they created the lemons. This isn't even like 9/11 where the concept of using a plane as a weapon was invented years before in a popular book.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:30 utc | 141

@juliania #49
The "redirection" of a lab leak in the US theory is very weak.

If COVID was released in the US first - why was the initial epicenter in China and not in the US?

For this to happen, it is 100% necessary that COVID was both released and not controllable.
If it is not controllable, it should have shown up in the US first.
If it was controllable, then why release it at all?

The deliberate bio-weapon attack is more credible from how COVID actually spread but again, requires both the assumption that the bioweapon was created (bottled lightning) and that it and its development peers was tested (no masses of bodies).

And yet again: if these people are so 12D brilliant to create COVID - they couldn't see that China was going to win the resulting pandemic? Really?

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:37 utc | 142

Maracatu @Jul9 12:52 #123:

Moise ran a criminal enterprise for a government and the country was effectively ruled by 9 gangs who had the president’s stamp of approval ...

I'm no expert on Haiti but this narrative is questionable. Further, it seems designed to supports the view that the assassination was entirely an internal affair.

While critics claim that Moise was becoming a dictator, Moise hadn't seized power and thrown off democracy, he was proceeding in an orderly, legal way to change the Constitution in a way that would strengthen the Presidency but preserve democracy. And countries with problems as deep and dire as Haiti generally need a strong executive.

Moise appears to have respected Democracy, saying that he would hold elections and step down at the appropriate time. DW explains the controversy over Moise's term:

According to Haiti's constitution, presidential terms last for five years. In the presidential election of October 2015, Moise was elected, but the election was annulled because of fraud. In 2016, another round of elections were held, which was again won by Moise and he was sworn in on February 7, 2017.

[NOTE: allegations of fraud were apparently false as Moise won the second vote]

Opposition leaders claim that Moise's term began in February 2016 and ended this Sunday. Meanwhile, Moise and his supporters claim 2017 as the year of his ascent. The president has said that he will hand over power to the winner of the elections in October 2021 and will not step down till his term expires in February 2022.

It seems clear that the Haitian establishment hated Moise. His election was hotly contested and soon after his election a coup attempt was foiled. It's worth noting that the Haitian establishment has not improved Haitian lives: Haiti remains severely impoverished (dependent on aid) and never really recovered from the devastating earthquake in 2010.

Rather than seizing power like the dictator he was accused of being, Moise was seeking to strengthen executive power via a constitutional referendum. The opposition called for Haitians to boycott it:

Haiti announced the postponement of the constitutional referendum that was originally scheduled for June 27.

The constitutional referendum would have been the first referendum in the country since 1987. It was unilaterally proposed by the Jovenel Moise administration even as the opposition kept up calls to boycott the event.

The referendum would have strengthened Presidential rule, including allowing for consecutive 5-year terms.

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Columbians and Americans have been arrested for the murder of the President. Columbia is a close USA ally (and NATO 'Global Partner'). Notably, USA-Columbia have demonstrated a high degree of coordination with respect to Venezuela and a coup-attempt against Maduro, led by former US-special forces, was launched from Columbia (USA denied any involvement - just concerned civilians taking matters into their own hands. LOL). Perhaps the concern was that Moise would be another Chavez and/or strengthen their relations with Maduro's Venezuela? Cold War imperatives make even the possibility of switching sides into a major concern.

Moise had supported Juan Guido after Venezuelan "Petro Caribe" economic aid had ended. But with the discrediting of Guido, perhaps Moise was considering strengthening relations with Maduro and Cuba? In fact, Moise had established warm relations with Maduro early in his administration.

I'd be interesting to hear from Moise's wife. She is now said to be in stable condition and recovering in Miami. Will she allowed to talk freely about what led to the assassination?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 9 2021 15:44 utc | 143

@uncle tungsten #74
Hiring engineers from TSMC doesn't get around the problem of making the machines that make the chips. Those are export controlled and have been for decades.

TSMC doesn't create semiconductor manufacturing equipment - their expertise lies with setting up production lines, design support and yield optimization.

Nor is what the article says, new. China has been poaching semicon workers and engineers from Taiwan for a long long time - I was being told it was a problem in 2002, for example. What is new, is the hire of Chiang Shang Yi by SMIC in December 2020. Things may have changed since then, but Shang Yi was considered the god of TSMC's process expertise when I was working with TSMC in the early 2000s.

Yes, China is making a huge effort to get around the export controls but the companies who make these machines are a handful in the US and Europe even as the customers who buy them are equally few in number. There are no "fell off the back of the truck" semiconductor manufacturing equipment purchase channels.

Of course, in reality, nobody needs 5nm chips to make really good military equipment or for the vast, vast majority of civilian usage. In this respect, I do think China can reverse engineer the equipment needed.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:46 utc | 144

@ Arch Bungle | Jul 9 2021 3:08 utc | 94

'But where's the evidence? Investigation?

...because no one else does such things in Afg.
Really ...?'

Evidence? Investigation? LOL

In Afghanistan they do not do investigation or evidence. They do it out in the open. Otherwise Afghanistan's history would be like an blank page cuz there has never been any investigation.
This high level commy would kill folks for being religious before turning into a high level Talib that would kill folks for not being religious. there are many such cases out in the open.

Anyways, I see that even the best of us are not immune from the deception of psy ops .... wont bother you guys till the day when it becomes clear that the current inflation of the Taliban is planned and orchestrated.

Posted by: Afgun | Jul 9 2021 15:48 utc | 145

Thank you Grieved @ 109 for your link! I will certainly go to the discussion, given that the Age of Reason has been getting some bad raps lately, and your comment is very timely, I might add, in terms of my own disaffection with the scientific method - I need to be brought to task!

It is always heartening when mistakes are clarified and apologized for - that is the best way to know people are really interested in creating a truthful account. Some questions have been raised about ivermectin, and I have to say I believed accounts that assured us it was a good treatment, whereas other studies have called that into question. So, my opinion on that score needs to hold off becoming set in concrete, though I still feel supporting natural immunity is the best course of action, a course which has been ignored by the powers that be and only championed by ordinary folk.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 15:49 utc | 146

@William Gruff #141
You are taking the opposite end of the idiocy: that an incompetent intelligence community is able to create said virus but unable to assess the outcome of releasing it.
I'll keep repeating: the secondary infection path used by COVID was unknown to science before the pandemic. "Developing" COVID is thus non-trivial since it wasn't even known to exist - and would require a lot of testing to both find it and to understand what it can do.
Yet again - it is possible but so unlikely as to be risible: that they're brilliant enough to develop COVID, competent to spread it in China untraceably and to keep secret the development and subsequent spread, but not competent enough to understand the result would benefit China and hurt the US and its allies the most?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I still see nothing but flailing as opposed to hard data.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:52 utc | 147

147 c1ue
There are convincing traces of Sars-Cov2, even evidence for covid19 infections, in France (infection), Spain (virus genome traces in sewage), Italy (same) and the US (blood samples). This indicates that the virus has been around for a longer period of time.

If COVID really were out in the wild for months - there should have been outbreaks in urban areas long before March/April 2020.

Yes. There is evidence for. And yes, the virus then must be less well adapted thus less infectious. In paper by Frutos et alii a different evolution model for the virus and its disease is proposed. The virus was circulating for a longer period of time at several places, but only when different strains from different areas came together, the virus evolved into its recent, better adapted and more efficient form.

The military games, where thousands athletes with a total of up to 20k participants and companion from a lot of countries came together, may very well be the hotbed for that evolution of the virus. The explanation is ways more plausible and rational than any lab theories.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 9 2021 15:53 utc | 148

U.S. athletes who protest their country’s flag are playing right into China’s hands, by Marc A. Thiessen, for the WaPO

Translation: I know the USA is full of problems, but let's just pretend they don't exist for the sake of the empire and destroy the Chinese.

The problem with this is that the same promise was made when the enemy was the USSR. The USSR is no more and the Empire continues to crumble, its people lives getting worse with each generation. This is not imagination: life expectancy is literally falling in the USA (it was falling before the pandemic, so it's not just that).


Labour’s ‘Buy British’ policy isn’t nostalgia – it’s a smart response to new realities

It makes a hint of sense now because the pandemic collapsed Toyotism (zero or near-zero stock lines of production; "Just in Time") and because the American Empire's quest for the isolation of China will deepen this collapse, but there are two problems with Labour right now:

1) Social-Democracy's charm during the inter-war and Cold War periods lied in the fact that it could claim to be the true moderates. It could claim to have "good sense", to be "the adult in the room", to "adopt the best of the two worlds". With the fall of the USSR, the "left side" of the world's political spectrum ceased to exist and, with that, the left side of Social-Democracy. A center-left policy is only a center-left policy if there is a left policy. As a result, Social-Democracy degenerated to a bunch of naive dreamers with cookie-cutter, outright infantile and utopian proposals. Put in other words, the social-democratic policies became something out of context without the threat of the true thing coming from the USSR. A moderate position is only a moderate position when the extremes are a realistic possibility - without pressure from the extremes, the center becomes just a bunch of morons or, best case scenario, a bunch of minor bureaucrats. The same is true for trade-unionism (which is strongest in the UK): the unions were just a fearsome force when there was a realistic threat of they taking power from the bourgeoisie and founding a proletarian dictatorship; said threat being gone, the capitalists could easily absorb whatever strikes or general strikes that came and crush them in the following political cycle.

2) the UK is a capitalist economy, which means decisions about the economy including production sites and stocks are decided by the private sector, not the public sector. It would take a very intricate and heavy tribute of taxpayer money in the form of heavy subsidies to convince the private sector, in this context, to move an inch towards the desired policy.


Sinovac shot seen highly effective in real-world Chile

While some foreign media outlets cited individual incidences and inconclusive evidence to stir up a new wave of criticism against the efficacy of Chinese vaccines, the real-world effectiveness studies of Chinese company Sinovac's vaccine in Chile show higher levels of protection against the virus' spread and hospitalization.

The latest academic report published on Wednesday revealed that large-scale real-world data proves Sinovac's vaccine, named CoronaVac, is 65.9 per cent effective at preventing symptomatic cases, 87.5 percent in the prevention of hospitalization, 90.3 percent against ICU admission, and 86.3 percent against coronavirus diseases-related deaths.

The T-34 wasn't, in isolation, the best tank of WWII by any means. In practice, however, it was, because it did the job in large quantities.

Most of the time, the best tool is the tool you have in hands, in the time of the most dire need.


COVID-19 almost certainly originates from animal, not lab leak: top experts

I have already stated this many times, but I'll repeat again: the narrative that the SARS-CoV-2 is a bioweapon is a last, desperate attempt by the American people to try to claim some degree of agency over the situation. It is a narrative that still puts the West - even if only its elites - in full control of world affairs.

After all, there's a difference between the virus having come out of Fort Detrick and from the wild: in the first case, the USA is still firmly the world's sole superpower, its elite having absolute power over the world. In the second case, the USA is just an impotent, decrepit empire.


China's Didi crackdown is all about controlling big data

Oh, so now the CPC is oppressing Big Data. What's next? That the Soviets genocided the Nazis?


Eficacia del esquema de vacunación de dos dosis de Soberana 02 y una de Soberana Plus es de 91,2 por ciento (+Video)

Cuban vaccine's efficacy is 91.2% after the second dose. Long story short, it's a success.


A rare Chinese perspective on the USA's defeat in Afghanistan:

Afghanistan, like Vietnam, is a decisive U.S. military defeat

I don't think this is at Vietnam's level of disaster and defeat, but I understand the argument. My take is that Afghanistan at least made some geopolitical sense in the abstract plane (the USA, being an American superpower, needed a foothold in the Heartland in order to keep its status as the world's sole superpower); Vietnam was unnecessary in every sense, it was all in vain for both sides - it was the largest human sacrifice ritual in History.


Bernie Sanders: ‘Americans living in oligarchic society where 1% elites hold more wealth than 92%’

For my take on Bernie Sanders' policies, see the second link here. Although, to be fair, the USA was always completely hostile to socialism and there was never any foothold of even traditional social-democracy there. So, at least Sanders have the excuse to be playing on hardcore mode.


@ Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 14:57 utc | 133

There was a possibility of completely eradicating the virus when it was at its beginning and the governments around the world enforce total lockdowns. Now it's too late. It is 99% certain the SARS-CoV-2 will stay with us forever, like the flu.

Posted by: vk | Jul 9 2021 16:04 utc | 149

c1ue @ 149 thanks for responding. As james has pointed out (thank you, james!) the entire process began years back, with the gain of function experiments in both China and the US, (when the labs were interchanging samples and trying to anticipate the next SARS event.) You have to follow the process. The motivation wasn't criminal at that stage, nor was it secret. It certainly was 'a bridge too far' and the process was shut down as dangerous for some time.

But then, the process opened up again, and I think it is a far simpler explanation that this highly transmissable virus escaped, wherever it was, that that was an accident. It may have been meant to be studied in order to achieve a usable form of the mri vaccines that were in process of being looked at, but had been set aside. Sort of like on the world scene having paid to develop an army - so a war becomes necessary.

If that was the case, it would simply emphasize that these attempts are too dangerous, these labs need to close. Hydrogen dirigibles were discontinued as public transport when one went up in flames. This would be that.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 16:04 utc | 150

@circumspect | Jul 9 2021 14:10 utc | 127

Can you comment if it is possible for a 757/767 airplane to fly at 500+ Mph at level flight at sea level (1200-1600 ft)?

I am not Gordog, but the answer is no. Even if the answer had been yes, you cannot turn a steel highrise into a pile of dust by flying an aluminium tube into it.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 15:21 utc | 142

Hey, thanks!
You can be a Trufer OR an Engineer. You can't be both.
What you know about building design and construction would get lost in a thimble. It's laughable that you lack the basic curiosity to find out, and comprehend, what made WTC 1 & 2 different from conventional hi-rise office towers before parading your ignorance in a public forum.

Posted by: Horsewhisperer | Jul 9 2021 16:05 utc | 151

i want to thank @ sol and @ afgun for some of the discussion they had... i don't know much about afganistan and i found some of their conversation fascinating to consider... i would prefer it not to get acrimonious though, so i understand why b deleted a bunch of it...

i also want to thank @ max for his posts... i disagree with his lack of appreciation for michael hudsons work, but that is for him to come to terms with... i do appreciate being made aware of Professor Dr Eberhard Hamer's work and relate very well to what he says in the link max shared much earlier, which i am sharing here again.

From currency war to military war

thanks @ Tom Pfotzer | Jul 9 2021 15:27 utc | 140 for your post... hopefully max can find some moment to respond to your thoughtful and considerate post..

@ 143 jackrabbit.. interesting theory at the end... could be.. thanks..

i'll stop...i have more to say on other posts here, but maybe another time...

Posted by: james | Jul 9 2021 16:05 utc | 152


It seems your sources are from the Dubious Wikipedia , having studied the Pahlavi Language, I be better place that Chungs and Chings, far away is not APAK, is Afra, as in Afra Syab, , The Persian is know as Farsi because Arabs took over ERAN SHAHR (The original name of Iran), and influenced the language, Arabs cannot pronounce P, so they substitute F , Arabic was official language till Mongol conquest, where by the Edict of Hulagu Khan, Persian was made the official language, it was the Mongols that saved the language or what was left of it, The Soviets help Afghanistan, and build roads and hospitals and the only University, at the request of KING of Afghanistan Mohammad Zaher Shah, The Americans and the Shah of Iran did not like it so they staged the coup, and you can see the result, The Zhavar Camp was main base of the Turds, and it was taken by the commandos in a swift and hand to hand combat, 7 turds survived and they fled in to Pakistan, Pashtun means back and behind the mountains, for that should be enough, Soviets lost 26 Millions in WW2, but at the end park their tanks in front of Reich-stag in Germany!

Posted by: Grishka | Jul 9 2021 16:06 utc | 153

Taliban wants China & SCO help:

"In an interview with This Week in Asia on Wednesday, Taliban spokesman Suhail Shaheen said the organization sees China as a 'friend' to Afghanistan and is hoping to talk to Beijing about investing in reconstruction work 'as soon as possible.'

"'China is a friendly country that we welcome for reconstruction and developing Afghanistan,' Suhail said."

Wang Yi will soon meet with the FMs of Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan beginning 12 July to discuss the Afghan mess. He will then meet with the SCO-Afghanistan Contact Group. Our anticipations about the near future for Afghans is confirmed:

"Earlier this month, Wang Yi talked to his counterparts in Afghanistan and Pakistan and said the three countries had agreed to support the 'substantial expansion' of investment projects to Afghanistan.

"China proposes expanding the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Afghanistan, to help the country further accelerate its peaceful reconstruction, thus reducing the risk of turmoil."

TASS confirms the presence of a Taliban negotiation team in Moscow, but offers no further details. TASS also updated Russia's position by citing Lavrov's comments at today's presser:

"As for the continued military action in the absence of the political process, then the events on Afghanistan’s territory concern us exclusively from the point of view of a possible spillover of troubles onto the territory of our allies ... The fact that the Talibs have occupied border posts on the border with Iran, on the border with Tajikistan… while this is happening on Afghanistan’s territory, we’re not going to undertake any measures except for our insistent calls for the political process, which all Afghans have said they support, to happen as soon as possible."

Taliban have extended its control of Afghanistan's borders and will likely present the Kabul clique with an ultimatum by month's end.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 9 2021 16:18 utc | 154

The Delta variant is essentially a hoax. It is just not a real issue in the UK, Ireland, Europe or the US.

A Short Crucial Update on the Delta Variant and Much More

Paraphrased, edited extract:

"How can people not realize that last year, all summer, Northern Europe effectively nothing was happening and there weren't even any vaccines and it's the same this year with the vaccines!

"In 2020, throughout all of Europe, Covid-19 death curves collapsed and the same thing is happening in 2021 - the vaccines don't make much difference, the death curves collapse in the summer regardless. How can people not understand this basic seasonal reality?

"Since mid-April the Delta variant has come to absolutely dominate in the UK and by early June was up at around 90% plus. So, it completely took over the UK over a couple of month but what impact did it really have?

"Well, the data up to 17th June shows that during a two month period, when the delta variant completely took over, almost nothing happened to hospitalizations.

"This is a de facto proof that the Delta variant is no major issue at all even though everyone's using it to inflict outrageous restrictions on society which are destroying the economy, businesses, society in general, for nothing."

And the source of the Delta scariant? That would be Maharashtra state, the state Capital being Mumbai. This area is the centre of the old British Colonial structure called the Bombay Presidency. There have been centuries of British influence in the area and a major role for the Bombay Presidency was managing the princely states and projecting British political power - it is unlikely that this influence has completely disappeared. I suspect, that what see from India is just propaganda.

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 9 2021 16:29 utc | 155

Thank you, Grieved @ 102! I have just made the attempt to listen to your later podcast (my comments on ivermectin coming before I had scrolled up to this one. I couldn't access the site, possibly as it needs to be signed into? In any case, this is very good news for me, as I have watched the discussion with the inventor of the vaccination process in the US. I'll go see if I can open this, but if not again thanks for describing the issue concerning ivermectin!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 16:34 utc | 156

@ Norwegian, thanks kindly for your feedback!

@ Walter, again thanks! About my earlier discussion on space tech, that was under B's article about China's space station. My original comment is here, but there are several lengthy follow-up discussions in the same thread.

@ Serduk and Circumspect, who have questions about the 767s that flew into the towers:

Okay, the short answer is that yes, I think it would be possible for a 767 to fly at 3,000 ft at the very high airspeed that was clocked by ATC radar.

Here is the radar data that shows the altitude and speed of UA Flight 175.

Note that the airplane was in a very steep dive!

It dropped 15,000 ft in just two and a half minutes, which is a descent speed of 6,000 feet per minute. That's about FOUR times the rate of descent you would normally fly from 10,000 ft to the approach to landing, which is about 1,500 fpm.

This would have the airplane nosed over quite a bit and you would never do that under normal circumstances, especially low to the ground.

So it's not a question of engine thrust. Even with the engines at idle an airplane nosed over steeply, it will drop like a rock and even hit sonic velocity!

Douglas did that in a special test flight in 1961, with their then-new DC8. Something of an engineering 'stunt' if you will, but they wanted to show how sturdy the airplane is. [That was a really good plane, btw].

They actually hit M 1.01. That was the first passenger jet to go supersonic, about a decade before the Concorde and Tu144! A nice writeup on that in Smithsonian Air & Space mag.

The bigger question here about the 767 and the towers is whether the airplane will be CONTROLLABLE!

Note on that DC8 dive that the horizontal tailplane elevator became ineffective when they tried to pull up [by pulling back on the stick]. So what the pilot did was to nose it down even more, to unload the tailplane, and then use trim to raise the elevator and nose it back up.

Incidentally, this maneuver, called the 'roller coaster,' was also taught in earlier versions of the 737 [also 727 and 707]. It was in the pilot's flight manual up until about the 737-400 version, if I recall. Then they dropped that maneuver, which pilots sometimes called the 'yo-yo.'

This maneuver might have helped those two 737 MAX that were lost after that MCAS nosed the airplanes down. At some point, pulling back on the stick will NOT raise the nose. You have to nose over even more to unload the tail, and then use trim. Shows how things have gone downhill with Boeing in some important ways.

Anyway, back to that radar chart. Note that the highest speed recorded was at 13,000 ft. At this point, the airplane was over its caution speed [yellow arc on airspeed indicator] by only 20 knots. At 3,000 ft it was flying slower, but the indicated airspeed [calibrated] was over the max caution speed by 37 knots.

I don't think that's going to make the airplane fall apart. So these speeds are possible, I would say.

Now that's just an opinion, because nobody has ever flown such speeds that close to the ground.

The DC8 test pilots reported some buffeting at about M 0.96, but then it smoothed out.

So I'm pretty sure the airplane can take that speed without falling apart. I say this because the biggest danger to airplane structures is TRUE AIRSPEED, which is what causes aerodynamic FLUTTER.

Flutter is a divergent vibration that causes things like ailerons, tailplanes and even wings to depart the airplane. It's not just a matter of the greater dynamic pressure [indicated airspeed] of flying fast in dense air at low altitude.

The DC8 didn't go into flutter at much higher TRUE airspeed. This is the key.

Here is the B767 V-G diagram. You can see the caution range goes right up to 420 knots calibrated airspeed, in the yellow shaded area on the right of the graph.

But also note that the g scale is the vertical scale on the left. so the airplane can actually do 420 knots while pulling 2.5 positive g!

That's a lot of stress on the airframe at that speed, and this would have been flight tested during certification---which is where the V-G diagram comes from.

So I would say, again, that there is no compelling reason to think the airplane should fall apart.

What I consider VERY UNLIKELY is how even a very capable pilot is going to maintain control at these speeds, and fly it into a building, that from even just a mile away looks like a postage stamp!

And that mile would pass in just 6.5 seconds at this airplane's speed!

These 'hijackers' never flew a jet before? Draw your own conclusions.

PS: as for the question of whether the airplane could hit these speeds going straight and level, ie is there enough engine thrust? I would say probably there is, but I would have to do some number crunching.

I base this on the climb performance of passenger jets, which is quite impressive. Climb performance is a function of excess thrust, and we are climbing out at 300 knots indicated and 2,500 fpm in a triple seven [and similar in most others, since thrust to weight is going to be similar].

This is purely academic of course, since they were in a dive, so thrust doesn't matter. But if someone is interested, I can crunch the numbers and see what we get, out of curiosity, lol!

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 9 2021 16:36 utc | 157

Mongolians saved the Persian language?? LOL. They almost destroyed it along with Persian cities and libraries during Genghis Khan’s death run. The Soviets only invested in roads to later on invade through them. And my sources are dubious? At least I posted links, where are yours? Hard to read through your broken English to even understand your lies.

Posted by: Sulai | Jul 9 2021 16:43 utc | 158

And yet again: if these people are so 12D brilliant to create COVID - they couldn't see that China was going to win the resulting pandemic? Really?

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:37 utc | 142

Yes really. They may employ brilliant researchers, military strategists, or engineers but their high offices are filled with dumb exceprionalists self deluded incompetent political hacks.

You're the only one that believed they're 12D smarts whatever that means.

I quote again @William Gruff at #141

"This assumption on your part is just American exceptionalism polluting your intellect and is no different from the resident bunny's incessant assertions that "They meant to do that all along!" whenever the empire does a face plant into the pavement."

What was the continuation of this diatribe again ? Oh yes... That Biden is elected by Xi Jin Ping himself and the technologies that the Chinese boasts to possess are given intentionally to them by great and merciful conniving scheming banksters most infamously the Rothschils families ?

Very well let's take your cases then.
I would need to ask if we're to believe such grand conspiracy. Do you really think that these Rothschilds and whatever would feel at ease keeping themselves at the mercy of PLA loyals to their own Chinese peoples ?

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 9 2021 16:49 utc | 159

So you block me from leaving comments but Grishka and Afgun allowed free reign to say racist things about Pashtuns, look at Grishka ‘s last comment.

Posted by: Sulai | Jul 9 2021 16:49 utc | 160

And as if made to order, Pepe Escobar reports on the meetings in Moscow between the Afghan government then the Taliban with senior Russian officials. Much could be cited, but IMO this is key:

"Mohammad Suhail Shaheen is the quite articulate spokesman for the Taliban political office. He’s adamant that 'taking Afghanistan by military force is not our policy. Our policy is to find a political solution to the Afghan issue, which is continuing in Doha.' Bottom line: 'We confirmed our commitment to a political solution here in Moscow once more.'

"That’s absolutely correct. The Taliban don’t want a bloodbath. They want to be embraced. As Shaheen has stressed, it would be easy to conquer major cities – but there would be blood. Meanwhile, the Taliban already control virtually the whole border with Tajikistan." [My Emphasis]

One reason this is all happening so rapidly aside from the Outlaw US Empire's ineptness is the Taliban becoming far more representative of Afghanis:

"The 2021 Taliban have little in common with their 2001 pre-war on terror incarnation. The movement has evolved from a largely Ghilzai Pashtun rural guerrilla insurgency to a more inter-ethnic arrangement, incorporating Tajiks, Uzbeks and even Shi’ite Hazaras – a group that was mercilessly persecuted during the 1996-2001 years of Taliban power.

"Reliable figures are extremely hard to come by, but 30% of the Taliban today may be non-Pashtuns. One of the top commanders is ethnically Tajik – and that explains the lightning-flash 'soft' blitzkrieg in northern Afghanistan across Tajik territory."

Taliban spokesman Mohammad Suhail Shaheen looks quite polished in the photo Pepe provides and has published a video interview to parry the negative image promoted by BigLie Media.

Escobar's writing is not without irony:

"Shaheen makes a statement that could have come straight from Ronald Reagan in the mid-1980s: The 'Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan are the real freedom fighters.' That may be the object of endless debate across the lands of Islam."

More from the video--No Turks at Bagram:

"The Taliban 'goal is clear: to end the occupation.' And that brings us to the tricky gambit of Turkish troops 'protecting' Kabul airport. Shaheen is crystal clear. 'No NATO forces – that means continuation of occupation,' he proclaims. 'When we have an independent Islamic country, then we will sign any agreement with Turkey that is mutually beneficial.'"

This admission is news and negates my closing sentence @153--

"Shaheen is involved in the ongoing, very complicated negotiations in Doha, so he cannot allow himself to commit the Taliban to any future power-sharing agreement. What he does say, even though 'progress is slow' in Doha, is that, contrary to what was previously reported by media in Qatar, the Taliban will not present a formal written proposal to Kabul by the end of the month; the talks will continue." [My Emphasis]

What the Taliban and all regional actors want is a complete cleansing of Afghanistan of all foreign forces, including NATO's Terrorist Foreign Legion which everyone anticipates the Outlaw US Empire to employ as the situation goes "hybrid" as with Syria.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 9 2021 16:49 utc | 161


Russian commandos engaging in hand to hand combat huh, which Rambo movie was this again?? LOL

Posted by: Sulai | Jul 9 2021 16:55 utc | 162

There have been lots of pranks on the internet showing Covid-19 test-kits producing positive results using lemon juice, orange juice, kiwi fruit and fizzy drinks (bizarrely, this are all high sources of citric acid ie. vitamin C). The 'i' newspapers confirm that these methods of "fooling" the test-kits are known to be true.

And, of course, who can forget the President of Tanzania (I know many of you have), John Magulifi, who got a positive result from a Covid-19 test-kit using a papaya fruit (btw another excellent source of vitamin C). Strangely, John Magulifi has since died of Covid-19 and the new President has adopted a more compliant attitude and is being rewarded with phone calls from the US Secretary of State :

"Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken spoke with Tanzanian President Samia Suluhu Hassan today. They discussed the importance of the ongoing international partnership to combat the COVID-19 pandemic and how the United States can support Tanzania in fighting the pandemic. Secretary Blinken and President Hassan addressed regional security issues, including Tanzania’s positive role as a peacekeeping contributor and areas for potential future cooperation. Secretary Blinken and President Hassan also spoke about the importance of political rights and civil liberties, as well as our shared efforts to ensure a democratic, peaceful, free, and prosperous future for all Tanzanians." - US Press Release, 6th July 2021

What a larf! The problem is that it just shouldn't be possible - if the tests are reacting to unique Covid-19 indicators as claimed then they shouldn't react to anything else. What appears to be just a mischievous prank is actually evidence that, not only are the test-kits fake, but that the virus doesn't exist.

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 9 2021 17:02 utc | 163

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 9 2021 16:18 utc | 153

There will not be official notes on the Taliban presence in Moscow since they still are formally in a forbidden Russian list, as remarked in general media when mentioning them. Zakharova in her press conference referred the situation in the Tajikistan border to what Lavrov said during his master class at the Far East University.

Cassad has the press conference video of the Talibs in Moscow, but it is translated twice I guess from Pashto to maybe Tajik and then Russian which makes it a bit slow. Basically they declare not being the problem and ready to work with all their neighbors but the problem right now seems to be the yihadi train, the runaway military into neighboring countries, and for sure the empire trying to subcontract the enterprise, there won’t be a lot of takers.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 9 2021 17:06 utc | 164

Norwegian said: cannot turn a steel highrise into a pile of dust by flying an aluminium tube into it.

Absolutely agree. I'm not a structural engineer [I do know the basics of structures]. But I have a solid background in thermodynamics and heat transfer. I have studied the official documents about the heat part and they are absolutely ridiculous!

There is no bona fide heat transfer analysis whatsoever, lol! it is for the circular file, nothing more!

Btw, this is a kind of specialist area of engineering that is used by people who design heat exchangers in things like nuclear plants and other challenging applications, like aircraft and rocket engines---so not very many folks well versed in this science, and I have not come across anyone who has written about this regarding the official claims about the buildings.

I have already commented a bit on the aircraft control and piloting skill issue. Also impossible to believe the official narrative!

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 9 2021 17:23 utc | 165

@Horsewhisperer | Jul 9 2021 16:05 utc | 150

You can be a Trufer OR an Engineer. You can't be both.
What you know about building design and construction would get lost in a thimble. It's laughable that you lack the basic curiosity to find out, and comprehend, what made WTC 1 & 2 different from conventional hi-rise office towers before parading your ignorance in a public forum.

Be my guest, laugh away! Then try to come up with some factual arguments in place of strawmen and assertions about me you know nothing about :-)

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 17:23 utc | 166

must see
(thanks to whoever linked it here a few days ago)

the interview with the WHO guy says it all

Posted by: Mina | Jul 9 2021 17:27 utc | 167

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 9 2021 16:49 utc | 158

I want to agree with the Billy Goat and Lucci, the abject stupidity of the US' ruling elites, whomever they may be, has been clear as day at LEAST since they decided to outsource their industrial capacity and hollow out their educational institutions in the name of power and profit.

And that coincides entirely with my experience as a working US-ian: the boss is the problem. The employees may have issues, but the boss is who decides on the crappy outcomes and makes them happen.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 9 2021 17:30 utc | 168

Considering back in March

News MENA Qatar, Russia, and Turkey announce new Syria peace initiative MENA 3 min read The New Arab Staff 11 March, 2021 Sergey Lavrov is engaged in a tour of the Gulf, visiting key regional leaders. The ministers announced a new joint effort on Syria [Getty] Qatar, Turkey, and Russia's foreign ministers announced a joint effort to end the ten-year war in Syria during a press conference in Doha on Thursday. Qatar Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani hosted Russia's Sergey Lavrov and Turkey's Mevlut Cavusoglu in Doha for talks on the conflict in Syria, which marks its ten year anniversary this month. Russia and Turkey - along with Iran - have their own mechanism to discuss Syria-related matters - known as the Astana Process - but the new effort looks to widen international cooperation, particularly on humanitarian matters. "Today we launched a new trilateral consultation process," Cavusoglu said, according to Reuters. "Our goal is to discuss how we can contribute to efforts towards a lasting political solution in Syria." While Russia is a key backer of Bashar Al-Assad's regime both Turkey and Qatar have supported the Syrian opposition, leading to the surprise announcement of a joint peace effort. Russia's foreign minister, who has embarked on a tour of the Gulf region, welcomed the tripartite peace effort. "I can only welcome Qatar's desire to make its contribution to creating the conditions for overcoming the current tragic situation in Syria," he said, according to the agency.

And also Qatar being quite close to Turkey and supplying militants....anyone think that Qatari "influence" in Afghanistan will work to any degree with Russia's intentions????? I feel concerned in these fragile times.

Posted by: Jo | Jul 9 2021 17:31 utc | 169

@Gordog | Jul 9 2021 17:23 utc | 164

Great comment, many thanks!! One can address that issue from several angles, and the answer is always the same: The official narrative is completely ridiculous.

The planes had nothing to do with the destruction of the towers. Discussing it is a distraction, and that's what the planes were intended to be IMHO.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 17:39 utc | 170

Can someone explain to me exactly what the Saker is and who is actually running his website? Most comments that don’t praise Russia explicitly are moderated out, comments that don’t have a Russian POV aren’t shown, and anyone who talks about the Zion i s t issue in Russian government is eventually banned. What’s the deal with this site?

Posted by: Hornswaggler | Jul 9 2021 17:44 utc | 171

@Hornswaggler | Jul 9 2021 17:44 utc | 170

I don't know anymore who he is. Well his name is Andrei Raevsky, he is a retired military analyst with Russian/Swiss background and living in Florida. I have read his articles since some time after the Ukraine coup, and much of it has been very useful and informative. He was always somewhat pretentious with his "Saker" thing, but it didn't bother me that much.

But something happened recently, one has to wonder if someone knocked on his door or something, because he started to ban websites he used to cover and support, including SouthFront. Then he went completely ballistic in support of the covid narrative and ridiculing/insulting anyone with an independent mind on the subject, it sounds more like a cry for help than a believable position for him to take if you ask me. It is a possiblity he has been bullied into becoming controlled opposition, or alternatively he just lost it completely.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 17:58 utc | 172

Norwegian @Jul9 17:39 #169:

The planes had nothing to do with the destruction of the towers.

No doubt the Saudis will be overjoyed with john, Norwegian, and Gordog.

20 years after 9/11, lawsuit against Saudis hits key moment">


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 9 2021 18:10 utc | 173

@Jackrabbit | Jul 9 2021 18:10 utc | 172

That's how you create emotional propaganda in support of a narrative that has no basis in physical science.

Scientific Method

"If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong"

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 9 2021 18:17 utc | 174

The Moise assassination continues to gain intrigue as the Outlaw US Empire sends FBI and HS agents to control the damage. From what I've read, Moise was as corrupt as corrupt can get and was essentially acting as a dictator, which was apparently fine with Trump and Biden as he was never denounced by either. Tom Fowdy's overview is good. Moise was merely one parasite amongst so many.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 9 2021 18:31 utc | 175

@ Tom Pfotzer (#140), thanks for your feedback and sharing your thoughts.

First, I am not asserting, “You seem to assert that creating money created as debt by banks is bad, and that money should be created as an asset instead.”

I am stating, no money should be created by private banks. All money needs to created by a sovereign monetary authority with full transparency and accountability, and democratic oversight. It is people’s money. This sovereign money can be created as an asset as well as debt/credit (public credit) by the sovereign monetary authority with complete transparency. Unfortunately, I do not have time today and over the weekend to explain the rationale or engage in further details. Apologies for now, we can discuss it at some other time. Please review Andrew Jackson’s veto message for the Second Bank of the United States and this article from Martin Wolf, a Bilderberger, “Strip private banks of their power to create money,” , to understand some thinking behind this assertion.

“Money is a claim on others' wealth.” Not on board with this assertion, but please elaborate on this further. We can discuss about money – creation, allocation, management and distribution, some other time. I had previously shared some thoughts at MoA. Completely disagree with your opinion, “[how] money is brought into being is less relevant than”. How money is brought into the real world is the MOST important thing along with its various creation and distribution elements.

“Banks are theoretically in the best position to allocate capital,” this opinion has been the propaganda of many bank lobbyists. However, when tested on this propaganda they run from it. If they are good at allocating capital then they should play with the capital that they have raised. No bailouts or insurance from the populace or government. They privatize profits and socialize losses, and that is crony capitalism. How many lobbyists from the financial sector at the K-Street? Are they #1 or #2 in terms of lobbyists and lobbying dollars? We know some of them! Some of the Fed and good people in the financial sector are openly exposing banks shenanigans.

“banks should be pretty good agents for the creation of money and corresponding creation of new wealth.” NOPE. Entrepreneurs and innovators create wealth. Even the Chinese and Russian leaderships acknowledge this fact. How many hidden champions in Germany, Japan, China and the U$A? Steve Jobs will laugh at this nonsense statement. Nobody would give Steve money when Apple was near bankruptcy and then after iPod and iPhone successes many wanted to speculate on Apple. Even the real practitioner from the Fed and Finance sector will disagree with this opinion. Please watch this debate and see who own, “Central Banks can print prosperity.” . Why? The winners showed wisdom by predicting that private banks and the shadow banking structure will lead to QE infinity and create problems in the future.

The textbook definition of “banks” role is that they aggregate people’s savings and then loan them out to entities. No issue with this function of the bank or any financial institutions. However, the public needn’t provide FDIC or banks any insurance or backup. Don’t we live in a capitalist world, so let the banks be responsible for their loans. No money creation by banks for their loans. They issue real private credit from the money they have raised. This is REAL CAPITALISM. One can’t use public credit for private gains. We support venture capital & entrepreneurs (value creators), private equity & investment banks (value organizers) and stock markets (value distribution & extraction). These three categories play with “earned money” – raised money. If they lose badly they go bankrupt. No money creation allowed in the private arena. In the private space “earned money” is a claim on wealth.

Ideas for alternate money creation mechanisms as assets and productive public credit (better monetary system), will be presented in a detailed manner at a right time. Kairos will arrive and define the future! The quest of defining the next monetary system will involve many challenges as those who have the power to create free money won’t give it up easily. It is essential that the populace understand the monetary system and play an active role in defining its future.

Yes, Michael Hudson has raised the issue of the rent-seekers, and this topic becomes important in understanding the value extraction game. Many have raised these topics. However, none is answering questions asked pertinent to Michael Hudson. Checkout the work of Norbert Heuring, Damon Vrabel, Nikolay Starikov, Ellen Brown, Eberhard Hamer, CK Liu,...

The International Financial Oligarchy is aware that the global and dollar financial system is failing and has entered the terminal stage. They will make some compromises to fool the populace but won’t succeed. In 1792BC, the self-proclaimed Hammurabi of Babylon forgave all citizens’ debts owed to the government, high-ranking officials, and dignitaries, so he can continue with his power and control (DEBT JUBILEE). This time Gandalf has arrived with his team! “The Ring of Power”, won’t survive. Where is Gollum? “In God We Trust”

Posted by: Max | Jul 9 2021 18:31 utc | 176

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 9 2021 15:44 utc | 143

I am not at all informed about Haiti and as you said you aren't either so our conversations have a wide margin of error which doesn't usually stop most of us from trying to make some sense out of a situation. Again, I see Haiti as a dystopic country hollowed out by France and u.s. imperial monsters. Moise was totally in with the U.S.(Clinton) empire along with the remaining elites but it seems that in late stage colonies control gets dispersed and ad hoc gangs move in to fill voids and prey on whomever. I've seen this up close in Chicago, Rockford, IL, Guatemala and El Salvador. There is a resistance movement in Haiti and I think they are growing but I don't know how organized they are. They are allied with Venezuela, possibly Cuba and, to a lesser extent, Bolivia. However, the street gangs have guns and kill lots of locals which makes organizing hard and life threatening. The people are almost 100% against Moise but are also apparently do not want the U.S. to overtly take over. The assassination was likely either U.S. supported/ordered or drug cartel sponsored but they are the same.
Rachel Domond lays out the situation:
"Despite lacking popular support amongst poor and working Haitians, Moïse has ruled by decree since dismissing the Haitian parliament in January 2020, and has refused to step down from the presidency after his term expired on February 7, as stipulated by the Haitian Constitution. Financial and political support for his regime by the U.S. government has been instrumental in maintaining his rule up until this point."

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 9 2021 18:35 utc | 177


Max - thanks for the lengthy reply in the face of time constraints. I'll re-intro the subject in an open thread next few days, after I read your references & think about them.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 9 2021 18:47 utc | 178

The Biden administration escalates the global geopolitical conflict against the Non-$ Bloc by adding 14 Chinese companies and 34 entities from Russia and Iran, and another five entities directly supporting China's military modernization programs to its economic blacklist. Will China and Russia submit? It looks like it will aggravate...

Thoughts on ... Kissinger’s message at a conference commemorating the 50th anniversary of Kissinger's secret trip to China
A smart move?

“Russia has eliminated US’s dollar currency (from 35% to zero) from its long-term National Wealth Fund while the share of the British pound was lowered to 5%. The shares of the euro and the Chinese yuan were increased to 39.7% and to 30.4%, respectively. The share of the Japanese yen stands at 4.7% and the share of non-cash gold is 20.2%, the official statement by the Finance Ministry reads.”

Posted by: Max | Jul 9 2021 18:49 utc | 179

It is explained here that viral vector vaccines are MGO. All of them? Some people here are better armed than me to read that.
Anonymous reviews and answers of the authors after the journal (Vaccines) refused to publish it.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 9 2021 18:59 utc | 180

My mistake(s): it was finally accepted and published; and I meant GMOs.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 9 2021 19:01 utc | 181

c1ue @147: " incompetent intelligence community is able to create said virus..."

That's your assumption and it is wrong. The CIA didn't create SARS MkII. They just walked into Fort Detrick and took it off a shelf (out of a freezer actually, but those details are irrelevant). The work to modify RaTG13 into SARS MkII was done in a number of labs, including at University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. The US Army worked on it too but shelved it because it wasn't something they were interested in.

Aside from some testing at black sites in Ukraine and Colombia (where a few extra dead bodies wouldn't be noticed) the CIA had nothing to do with the development of SARS MkII. The CIA are mostly business and humanities majors, after all, not STEM majors. They don't do engineering work themselves. They just buy or steal what they need.

Note though that SARS MkII wasn't "created" per se, but rather was an existing virus that was hacked at a little bit. While viable coronaviruses can and have been made from scratch, SARS MkII is more of a chimera consisting of one virus with some small bits from other virii patched in. Child's play compared with engineering a working coronavirus from the ground up (which, by the way, had been successfully accomplished more than a decade ago).

The "secondary infection path used by COVID" that you speak of could very well have been unknown to those who developed SARS MkII as well as those who deployed it. All that the CIA would have cared about is if the virus would work at all, not details of its functioning. Consider: Does the street thug getting ready to off someone care how the striker mechanism in his Glock works when he pulls the trigger?

As for scientists knowing that the virus is chimerical, doubtless many do know that by now. What do you expect them to do about it? They just want to tinker in their labs, not get mixed up in international intrigue and maybe even spark a war. Scientists all knew that President Carter was lying about the Israeli nuke test in 1979 too, but the consequences of going public with their knowledge were too great to justify saving the cost of a slightly dirty conscience by speaking out. This is no different. You are not going to hear "Hey, this COVID looks a whole lot like that vector virus we were working on a couple years ago! It even has that nucleotide sequence that my buddies and I put in as our signature!" Instead they are all thinking "Crap! I sure hope nobody else notices this!"

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 9 2021 19:07 utc | 182

migueljose @Jul9 18:35 #176

There is a resistance movement in Haiti and I think they are growing but I don't know how organized they are. They are allied with Venezuela, possibly Cuba and, to a lesser extent, Bolivia.

Moise wasn't killed Venezuelans or Cubans but by a group from USA and Columbia. If Moise was pro-USA, why was he killed by people from pro-USA countries?

Despite lacking popular support amongst poor and working Haitians ...

And yet Moise won the election. And then a second election after allegations of voter fraud (from his political opponents).


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 9 2021 19:14 utc | 183

About the latest Delta wave in SA
For those who'd like to put questions to that lady on July 13th.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 9 2021 19:29 utc | 184

karlof1 @Jul9 18:31 #174

Tom Fowdy simply agrees with the establishment narrative that ignores disturbing facts:

  • Moise was hated by the Haitian establishment from the start - an establishment that has failed Haiti;
  • Moise won the Presidency, even after a second vote was forced due to allegations of fraud (by Morsi's political opponents);
  • Moise had good reason to claim that his term ended in Feb'22 instead of Feb'21;
  • Moise had explicitly said that he would step down in Feb'22 (essentially claiming no intentions to be a "dictator");
  • Moise had a friendly meeting with Maduro early in his Administration. Though he backed Juan Guido when it was convenient to do so, Guido has failed.

    Haiti had a good relationship with Venezuela and Cuba for many years (prior to, as well as during, Moise's tenure). Haiti has among the countries that benefited from Venezuela's 'Petro Caribe' Initiative - until US sanctions against Venezuela ended that program.

  • US-led Columbian mercenaries mounted a coup-attempt against Maduro which failed. Should we now ignore that a similarly-composed team has assassinated Moise?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 9 2021 19:43 utc | 185

@ karlof1 | Jul 9 2021 16:49 utc | 160.. thanks for sharing the youtube interview with taliban leader.. it is quite good!

@ Max | Jul 9 2021 18:31 utc | 175.. thanks for your commentary and links... all very interesting!

Posted by: james | Jul 9 2021 19:45 utc | 186

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:30 utc | 141

I do not know where the COVID virus came from and neither do you. It could have been a lab leak or it could have come from some intermediary host that has not been identified.

COVID certainly could have existed for months before the Chinese identified it, simply beause it's symptoms are very similar to the flu and even a bad bronchial cold. Some have even suggested that the vaping issues in 2019 may have been COVID. I do not see a problem there.

William Gruff has addressed the point of the idiocy of releasing such a pathogen.

SEe above: Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 9 2021 15:16 utc | 136

We do not know all the psychopaths in the intelligence communities, but we certainly have seen a few adorn the recent US admin, the Boltons and Pompeos, so yes, they might come up with the "bright idea" of doing something that the rest of us would consider idiotic. They might very well have believed that they could contain it and create some useful chaos in China, which it very well might have. I do not know.

But the fact is, we do not know whether the virus leaked from a lab or came through nature. There is insufficient evidence for either at the moment.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 9 2021 19:52 utc | 187

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:37 utc | 142

You are confusing the "epicenter" of the virus with the first identification of the virus. There are reports that the virus was found as far back as April 2019 in Spain (waste water samples), certainly Italy in November.

There is no reason to believe that the epicenter could not have been the US at some point earlier, but masked by the flu or other causes of pneumonia. It is also true that the virus seems to be partly seasonal and both last summer and this (attributed to the vaccine, so far) has waned in infectiveness, only to pick up again in the fall (of 2020).

Remember that it is highly infectious but also many are asymptomatic. I gather that 98% of people do not have any more serious an illness than a bad case of the flu.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2021 15:52 utc | 147
You say: "... but (the US is) not competent enough to understand the result would benefit China and hurt the US and its allies the most?"

That is common in warfare. Once you start it, you cannot always predict what will occur as an outcome. You are using hindsight here by suggesting that anyone who may have released this virus in China should have known it would "hurt the US and its alles most". Why would they, if they truly believed that they were the best prepared to deal with such a virus? And they did, with all their gaming prior to it.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 9 2021 20:25 utc | 188

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 9 2021 19:07 utc | 181
Thanks. I guess I need to go through all the comments before making mine.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 9 2021 20:36 utc | 189

Re: Moïse assassination.

According to the Bezos Post, one of the American assassins (Solanges) is a "certified diplomatic agent" and also "the chief commander of bodyguards for the Canadian Embassy in Haiti".

It is tough to wave the CIA asset warning flags any more vigorously than that. The question is why would the CIA snuff one of their own? I suppose we could look at their assassination of the president of the puppet state of South Vietnam, Diem, in 1963 for clues. My guess would be that they wanted someone more reliable than Moïse in power who would quiet things down more rather than stir up trouble. As with any organized crime outfit the CIA has no problems with killing off their own assets if the cost/benefit ratios of those assets go into the red.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 9 2021 20:40 utc | 190

Moise assassinated, while in Venezuela 'gangs' fight pitched battles with the police:

Heavy Clashes In Caracas, Venezuela As Criminal Gangs Try To Spread (VIDEOS)


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 9 2021 21:13 utc | 191

Maracatu | Jul 9 2021 12:52 utc | 123
Bemildred | Jul 9 2021 13:19 utc | 126

It sure looks like a narco/spook/drug-gang hit.

I don't think so.
Agree with: migueljose | Jul 9 2021 14:21 utc | 128 and karlov1 #174
To: Jackrabbit | Jul 9 2021 15:44 utc | 143
Jovenel Moise respect democraty
"et la marmotte emballe le chocolat ?" sorry for the private French joke but democraty does not work good in Haïti.
You get all disturbing fact in #184

Moïse was Hariri-ed

Haiti is the western part of Hispaniola Island . The one facing Cuba and sealing off the Gulf of Mexico[East part is Santo Domingo / Dominican Republic, I was there married 10 years].
It is also the first Black Republic in the history of colonialism, a Republic founded by the rebel slaves themselves. But Napoleon I re-established slavery there and the USA invaded the country and looted the central bank in 1914 [the first of a long series]. Cuba, Haiti and Santo Domingo will be ruled by pro-American dictators for half a century. After the end of the Duvaliers, Jean Bertrand Aristide [Lavalas party] is the only authentic representative of the Haitian people who managed to become President. But it has always been prevented [France, USA , IMF, gangs...]. Jovenel Moses was a kind of Gaido who would have succeeded. But his time was over and he had accepted a (democratic?) transition. power in a few months.
In recent weeks, the murders of journalists and political activists had resumed. Aristide took refuge in Cuba last week on the pretext of health. Jovenel Moïse’s widow is “cared for” in Miami. Her children are still alive, I didn’t expect from her revelations disturbing Washington. 24 hours before execution a transitional Prime Minister had been appointed. The apprehended performers are probably the front of the operation. Elections and transition are now unlikely to take place. Rather, everything heralds a new cycle of “blind” violence and the establishment of an international mandate.

An acceptable source, in French

Posted by: Rêver | Jul 9 2021 21:27 utc | 192

I am just adding to the ongoing debate with the following link. I reserve my judgement, barflies will, of course, make up their own minds in the fullness of time:

I respect the credibility of the author, Alison Broinowski, for her track record of independence.

Posted by: Paul | Jul 9 2021 21:56 utc | 193

In his lecture yesterday, Lavrov revealed Russia's POV related to human rights and Crimea I'd never heard expressed before and can easily be applied to China's POV on the topic as well:

"Invite them. Let them see everything with their own eyes, feel our hospitality, and try to reciprocate when they invite you. This is important for a Russian region like Crimea. On international platforms, they continue to demand that we stop the annexation in a mechanical and boring language, to let in some kind of inspectors so they can see the 'human rights violations.' We don’t say no to anyone; instead, we say: 'please come.'

"There are special commissioners, representatives at the OSCE and the Council of Europe, who are in charge of human rights, and the UN also has such a department. However, all of them, whenever they receive an invitation to visit Crimea and see how people live there with their own eyes, they say they cannot enter Crimea from Russia, but must enter from Ukraine. It’s up to you then: if your job is to monitor human rights, you must enter at our invitation and do what you need to do based on your mandates. If you want to be used in a political game and prove that you came to Crimea from Ukraine, because allegedly 'Crimea is part of Ukraine,' then human rights is not your real goal. Go into politics, for example, the European Parliament – there are many Russophobes there, and you will be part of the competition. But these kinds of international officials have no business working in human rights."

The same could be said of any international agency that's supposed to be neutral yet displays a political agenda, like the OPCW.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 9 2021 22:08 utc | 194

Myanmar and the western attempts to destroy a nation.

New Eastern Outlook contributer Joseph Thomas reports on the continuing slaughter financed by UKUSA here. Some extracts to consider:-

The end goal is collapsing the current government, dismantling Myanmar’s powerful and independent military and leaving Myanmar a divided and destroyed failed state unable to function as a constructive partner to its neighbours and main trade partners, namely China and Thailand.

China’s many ongoing projects within Myanmar including the extension of its One Belt, One Road initiative will be open to attack by militant groups the US will be able to more openly back and maneuver within Myanmar. This is essentially the entire objective of Anglo-American interference in Myanmar’s internal political affairs, the encirclement and containment of China by dismembering an important partner along Beijing’s periphery.

A concerted effort through alternative media and at the UN by Myanmar’s allies will be required to stave off the implementation by Western interests of the ‘Libya Model’ now playing out in Southeast Asia.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2021 22:20 utc | 195

@ william gruff... you left out the word 'was' - "the chief commander of bodyguards for the Canadian Embassy in Haiti". was - past tense.... it might make a difference to the presentation of what is what.. i wouldn't trust the bezo post past the fence post...cheers...

@ karlof1 | Jul 9 2021 22:08 utc | 192.. thanks for that... i appreciate all your related posts.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Jul 9 2021 22:31 utc | 196

The two arrested Americans were identified as two men from South Florida, and both had Haitian origins. One was named as James J. Solages, a resident of Fort Lauderdale born in Jacmel in southern Haiti.[39] Solages had in the past described himself as a former bodyguard for the Embassy of Canada in Haiti, an "advocate for children," and a promising politician. He had also established a small charity in South Florida to assist female residents in his home city.

his twitter feed -

2 Haitian Americans detained in slaying of Haiti president

Posted by: james | Jul 9 2021 22:41 utc | 197

Throwing something out there.

· Ukraine and Belarus to open or widen a flank on Russia. Limited success?
· Syria for a continued regional foothold on both Iraq and Iran and maybe Turkey too. Limited success?
· Myanmar to open a flank on China. Failed?
· Ethiopia (and maybe Eritrea afterwards) to open a flank on Yemen not far away across a little bit of water? (If Djibouti isn't already enough). Somalia? Kenya? Or Ethiopia is the prize itself? All of it? Seems successful so far considering how many buy the narratives given: "propaganda pincer move" with Egyptian-Sudanian saber-rattling on one end and tribal warfare on the other.

And for something different:
· Withdrawal in Afghanistan to create strife and justification for future moves. Already working?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 9 2021 22:42 utc | 198

Btw let's all be very suspicious when "the police" or "the media" and similar are unusually effective.

See the following out of Colombia about Haiti via Sputniknews.

Three days… oh well at least it is ever so slightly more plausible (no, not really, I am being acerbic) than "reporters" breaking stories within half an hour or so like happened with Belarus.

[Guess I had something to comment on after all]

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 9 2021 22:54 utc | 199

Gordog @156

Thank you for all of your inputs. I for one would be interested if you could do some back of the envelope calculations regarding trust needed for 500+ Mph level flight at sea level. (No diving involved).
Many years ago i watched an interview by someone who claimed to be an aeronautical engineer who stated that to be able to do that the trust of the engines would have to be 6 times the available amount because of air density.

Posted by: Serduk | Jul 9 2021 23:23 utc | 200

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