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July 08, 2021

Open Thread 2021-052

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Posted by b on July 8, 2021 at 12:03 UTC | Permalink

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This popped up on my you tube yesterday. I am not American and have no knowledge of or allegiance to the senator who supported this public disclosure of extreme vaccine reactions in the US that occured in the trials and have been ignored by Pfizer and the US medical establishment. its not a political video, and heartbreaking to hear these stories. It's also strange to hear each person feeling the necessity to state upfront that they are "pro vaccine and believe in science" so they can't be attacked by the media. Of course to volunteer for vaccine trails in the first place one would assume they are telling the truth.

Listen to how each of these people were abandoned by the Vaccine makers doing the trials, then abandoned by hospitals and doctors and also by the US media. it becomes obvious why most people think the vaccines are safe: because as much evidence to the contrary as possible is suppressed and denied.

When it comes to vaccinating children with an experimental vaccine with no long term studies on anything let alone fertility: its criminal.

This business of mindlessly supporting vaccines for covid without proper testing and ACCOUNTABILITY is no better than religious fervour. Or a narcissistic fear based response that puts ones own perceived safety over the safety and lives of others and refuses to listen to any and every argument or evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: K | Jul 9 2021 23:46 utc | 201

Here's the latest on Afghanistan. It's rather curious to read the various descriptions, this one for example:

"According to the US intelligence community, Afghanistan will collapse within six months of the US-led coalition's withdrawal."

Here, it's the word "collapse" which is likely means the current Afghan government. But if we're to believe what's happening in Doha, it appears an arranged transfer of power to a far more inclusive government will occur, which would be the opposite of collapse. IMO, most Afghanis see the end of the occupation by NATO terrorists as a great relief and opportunity for national renewal. Taliban have indicated that they're very much interested in getting developmental help from all regional actors.

Here's another funny:

"A number of military experts have argued that a less rushed pullout by US President Joe Biden and his administration could have curbed the Taliban's now-actively growing influence in the region."

Given the great strides the Taliban have made with all Afghanis, it's clear there's no way the continuing presence of NATO terrorists would "curb" their influence. On the contrary, it's clearly NATO's presence that has aided the Taliban's resurgence. Plus, it must be recalled that the Taliban weren't terrorists, but misguided Islamic extremists who've shed their extremism and thus their popularity.

And then there's the huge gap between what the headline says and implies versus what the Afghan government actually said. Headline:

"Kabul Calls on Russia, India, China to Help Fight Terrorism in Afghanistan."


"'We welcome technical support from all external partners, of course, from China, India and Russia.'

"The spokesman then "went on to assert Afghan authorities have recognized the Taliban's right to exist as a legitimate political force, not a 'monopoly,' alongside other groups within Afghanistan."

Clearly, even the Afghan government admits the Taliban aren't terrorists. But the Taliban does acknowledge the presence of NATO's Terrorist Foreign Legion within the country and has vowed to eliminate it. New facts on the ground are created daily which will continue to constrain the government's negotiating position at Doha. It's a contrived and corrupt government that I would say is illegitimate and will celebrate its demise.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2021 0:02 utc | 202

imperial blueprints
NGOs have evolved into a key component of the US/UK/Euro imperial project in its most recent-- and terminal-- stage. This article gives a good overview of the way NGOs have been used since 2000, specifically detailing the current plan to do a "color revolution" in Nicaragua. very important, IMO. Nicaragua is next on the hit list this Fall.
"The functional structure from the top, whether in the United States or Europe, places a few opulent foundations to feed the entire NGO machinery. The most prominent ones supply about 80% of all funds managed by these organizations worldwide. In most cases, the parent foundations have no direct relationship with the recipients who function as local operators of the funds. For this function there is a network constituted by international cooperation agencies such as USAID, NDI, NED, IRI and other Western government agencies that finance intervention actions, mainly aimed, allegedly, at “poverty reduction,” strengthening of “democratic values,” governance, “human rights,” transparency, justice, and management of public finances."
The following link is the organization that submitted the Orinoco Trib piece.

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 10 2021 0:30 utc | 203

Mina #179

GMO nature of the recent western vax craze. Thank you yet I did not like what I was reading here.

It was an interesting paper but seemed to avoid saying anything other than reviewing a review published in the journal Vaccines:

Recombinant viral vectors, protein-based vaccines, nucleic acid-based vaccines, and inactivated/attenuated viruses have been the platforms used to develop the current COVID-19 vaccines. These vaccines have been thoroughly scrutinized for safety and efficacy before being authorized for use, and this has encompassed environmental risk assessment.

In a recent review, published in the journal Vaccines, researchers in Belgium look at the recombinant viral vector-vaccine candidates that are primarily against SARS-CoV-2 still in development and discuss their features from an environmental risk point of view.

The researchers presented the general principles of the environmental risk assessment (ERA) and elaborated on the key features of several recombinant viral vector COVID-19 vaccine candidates.

In the review, the researchers presented a detailed table listing the viral vector-based vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 that are in clinical development or already authorized for use in the European Union, including references. It provided information on the developer or manufacturer of the COVID-19 vaccine, the genetic modifications of the vector, the inserted gene sequences there, the route of administration of the vaccine and the clinical stage of the vaccine trial.

Other than an illuminating discussion of the Environmental Risk Assessment and unknown viral interactions with virus currently in the host vax recipient referenced in the already published review, the writer does not seem to add much.

I had to chuckle at one of the feedback comments from reviewers of the submitted text:

In the “abstract”, line 7, the statement “that are the most advanced” seems not appropriate and should be simply omitted.

I too caught that nifty attempt by the author to approve. This sort of confirmed that I was reading a fawning support story for oh-so-clever mRNA technology rather than a review.

My take away is that millions of humans are now being loaded up with a GMO vaccine to treat the consequence of a virus that is then clearly understood to be open to transmission within and even to other mammals. I ask you, is there an environmental risk assessment discussion that could be better expressed in this paper?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 1:33 utc | 204

Long post and I ask b to pardon my excess. I think we should reflect carefully on this history as the jackals depart.

May there be PEACE in Afghanistan for its people's sake.

I went searching for a snapshot history of Afghanistan over the past century (approximately) here is my progress for now and I will fill the 2014 to 2021 period shortly after tending the orchard.

Afghanistan 1947 to 2014 (source PBS December 2014)...

1947 - Britain withdraws from India, creating the predominantly Hindu but secular state of India and the Islamic state of Pakistan. The nation of Pakistan includes a long, largely uncontrollable, border with Afghanistan.
1953 - The pro-Soviet Gen. Mohammed Daoud Khan, cousin of the king, becomes prime minister and looks to the communist nation for economic and military assistance. He also introduces a number of social reforms including allowing women a more public presence.
1956 - Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev agrees to help Afghanistan, and the two countries become close allies.
1957 - As part of Daoud’s reforms, women are allowed to attend university and enter the workforce.
1965 - The Afghan Communist Party secretly forms. The group’s principal leaders are Babrak Karmal and Nur Mohammad Taraki.
1973 - Khan overthrows the last king, Mohammed Zahir Shah, in a military coup. Khan’s regime, the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan, comes to power. Khan abolishes the monarchy and names himself president. The Republic of Afghanistan is established with firm ties to the USSR.
1975-1977 - Khan proposes a new constitution that grants women rights and works to modernize the largely communist state. He also cracks down on opponents, forcing many suspected of not supporting Khan out of the government.
1978 - Khan is killed in a communist coup. Nur Mohammad Taraki, one of the founding members of the Afghan Communist Party, takes control of the country as president, and Babrak Karmal is named deputy prime minister. They proclaim independence from Soviet influence, and declare their policies to be based on Islamic principles, Afghan nationalism and socioeconomic justice. Taraki signs a friendship treaty with the Soviet Union. But a rivalry between Taraki and Hafizullah Amin, another influential communist leader, leads to fighting between the two sides.
At the same time, conservative Islamic and ethnic leaders who objected to social changes introduced by Khan begin an armed revolt in the countryside. In June, the guerrilla movement Mujahadeen is created to battle the Soviet-backed government.
1979 - American Ambassador Adolph Dubs is killed. The United States cuts off assistance to Afghanistan. A power struggle between Taraki and Deputy Prime Minister Hafizullah Amin begins. Taraki is killed on Sept. 14 in a confrontation with Amin supporters.
The USSR invades Afghanistan on Dec. 24 to bolster the faltering communist regime. On Dec. 27, Amin and many of his followers are executed. Deputy Prime Minister Babrak Karmal becomes prime minister. Widespread opposition to Karmal and the Soviets spawns violent public demonstrations.
By early 1980, the Mujahadeen rebels have united against Soviet invaders and the USSR-backed Afghan Army.
1982 - Some 2.8 million Afghans have fled from the war to Pakistan, and another 1.5 million have fled to Iran. Afghan guerrillas gain control of rural areas, and Soviet troops hold urban areas.
1984 - Although he claims to have traveled to Afghanistan immediately after the Soviet invasion, Saudi Islamist Osama bin Laden makes his first documented trip to Afghanistan to aid anti-Soviet fighters.
The United Nations investigates reported human rights violations in Afghanistan.
1986 - The Mujahadeen are receiving arms from the United States, Britain and China via Pakistan.
1988 - In September, Osama bin Laden and 15 other Islamists form the group al-Qaida, or “the base”, to continue their jihad, or holy war, against the Soviets and other who they say oppose their goal of a pure nation governed by Islam. With their belief that the Soviet’s faltering war in Afghanistan was directly attributable to their fighting, they claim victory in their first battle, but also begin to shift their focus to America, saying the remaining superpower is the main obstacle to the establishment of a state based on Islam.
1989 - The U.S., Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Soviet Union sign peace accords in Geneva guaranteeing Afghan independence and the withdrawal of 100,000 Soviet troops. Following Soviet withdrawal, the Mujahadeen continue their resistance against the Soviet-backed regime of communist president Dr. Mohammad Najibullah, who had been elected president of the puppet Soviet state in 1986. Afghan guerrillas name Sibhatullah Mojadidi as head of their exiled government.
1992 - The Mujahadeen and other rebel groups, with the aid of turncoat government troops, storm the capital, Kabul, and oust Najibullah from power. Ahmad Shah Masood, legendary guerrilla leader, leads the troops into the capital. The United Nations offers protection to Najibullah. The Mujahadeen, a group already beginning to fracture as warlords fight over the future of Afghanistan, form a largely Islamic state with professor Burhannudin Rabbani as president.
1995 - Newly formed Islamic militia, the Taliban, rises to power on promises of peace. Most Afghans, exhausted by years of drought, famine and war, approve of the Taliban for upholding traditional Islamic values. The Taliban outlaw cultivation of poppies for the opium trade, crack down on crime, and curtail the education and employment of women. Women are required to be fully veiled and are not allowed outside alone. Islamic law is enforced via public executions and amputations. The United States refuses to recognize the authority of the Taliban.
1995-1999 - Continuing drought devastates farmers and makes many rural areas uninhabitable. More than 1 million Afghans flee to neighboring Pakistan, where they languish in squalid refugee camps.
1997 - The Taliban publicly executes Najibullah. Ethnic groups in the north, under Masood’s Northern Alliance, and the south, aided in part by Hamid Karzai, continue to battle the Taliban for control of the country.
1998 - Following al-Qaida’s bombings of two American embassies in Africa, President Clinton orders cruise missile attacks against bin Laden’s training camps in Afghanistan. The attacks miss the Saudi and other leaders of the terrorist group.
2000 - By now considered an international terrorist, bin Laden is widely believed to be hiding in Afghanistan, where he is cultivating thousands of followers in terrorist training camps. The United States demands that bin Laden be extradited to stand trial for the embassy bombings. The Taliban decline to extradite him. The United Nations punishes Afghanistan with sanctions restricting trade and economic development.
March 2001 - Ignoring international protests, the Taliban carry out their threat to destroy Buddhist statues in Bamiyan, Afghanistan, saying they are an affront to Islam.
Sept. 4, 2001 - A month after arresting them, the Taliban put eight international aid workers on trial for spreading Christianity. Under Taliban rule, proselytizing is punishable by death. The group is held in various Afghan prisons for months and finally released Nov. 15.
Sept. 9, 2001 - Masood, still head of the Northern Alliance and the nation’s top insurgent, is killed by assassins posing as journalists.
Sept. 11, 2001 - Hijackers commandeer four commercial airplanes and crash them into the World Trade Center Towers in New York, the Pentagon outside Washington, D.C., and a Pennsylvania field, killing thousands. Days later, U.S. officials say bin Laden, the Saudi exile believed to be hiding in Afghanistan, is the prime suspect in the attack.
Oct. 7, 2001 - Following unanswered demands that the Taliban turn over bin Laden, U.S. and British forces launch airstrikes against targets in Afghanistan. American warplanes start to bomb Taliban targets and bases reportedly belonging to the al-Qaida network. The Taliban proclaim they are ready for jihad.
Nov. 13, 2001 - After weeks of intense fighting with Taliban troops, the Northern Alliance enters Kabul. The retreating Taliban flee southward toward Kandahar.
Dec. 7, 2001 - Taliban fighters abandon their final stronghold in Kandahar as the militia group’s hold on Afghanistan continues to disintegrate. Two days later, Taliban leaders surrender the group’s final Afghan territory, the province of Zabul. The move leads the Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press to declare “the rule of the Taliban in Afghanistan has totally ended.”
Dec. 22, 2001 - Hamid Karzai, a royalist and ethnic Pashtun, is sworn in as the leader of the interim government in Afghanistan. Karzai entered Afghanistan after living in exile for years in neighboring Pakistan. At the U.N.-sponsored conference to determine an interim government, Karzai already has the support of the United States and by the end of the conference is elected leader of the six-month government.
2002 - In June, the Loya Jirga, or grand council, elects U.S.-backed Hamid Karzai as interim leader. Karzai chooses the members of his government who will serve until 2004, when the government is required to organize elections.
2003 - Amid increased violence, NATO takes over security in Kabul in August. The effort is the security organization’s first-ever commitment outside of Europe.
January 2004 - The Loya Jirga adopts a new constitution following input from nearly 500,000 Afghans, some of whom participate in public meetings in villages. The new constitution calls for a president and two vice presidents, but the office of prime minister is removed at the last minute. The official languages, according to the constitution, are Pashto and Dari. Also, the new constitution calls for equality for women.
October 2004 - Presidential elections are held. More than 10.5 million Afghans register to vote and choose among 18 presidential candidates, including interim leader Karzai. Karzai is elected with 55 percent of the vote.
2005 - The nation holds its first parliamentary elections in more than 30 years. The peaceful vote leads to the parliament’s first meeting in December.
2006 - Amid continuing fighting between Taliban and al-Qaida fighters and the Afghan government forces, NATO expands its peacekeeping operation to the southern portion of the country. After the forces take over from American-led troops, Taliban fighters launch a bloody wave of suicide attacks and raids against the international troops.
2007 - The Afghan government and NATO confirm that Taliban commander Mullah Dadullah was killed during a U.S.-led operation in southern Afghanistan.
2008 - The international community pledges more than $15 billion in aid to Afghanistan at a donors’ conference in Paris, while Afghan President Hamid Karzai promises to fight corruption in the government.
2009 - President Barack Obama names Richard Holbrooke as a special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Mr. Obama announces a new strategy for the Afghanistan war that would dispatch more military and civilian trainers to the country, in addition to the 17,000 more combat troops he previously ordered. The strategy also includes assistance to Pakistan in its fight against militants.
2010 - President Barack Obama accepts Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s resignation as the top commander in Afghanistan, over critical comments he made in a Rolling Stone article, and nominates Gen. David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command, as his replacement.
2011 - U.S. forces overtake a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, and kill al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden on May 2 local time.
2012 - President Hamid Karzai calls for American forces to leave Afghan villages and pull back to their bases after a U.S. soldier kills 16 Afghan civilians inside their homes.
2013 - The Afghan army takes over all military and security operations from NATO forces.
2014 - Ashraf Ghani becomes president of Afghanistan in September after two rounds of voting, claims of election fraud and a power-sharing agreement with main rival Abdullah Abdullah.
In December, NATO officially ends its combat mission in Afghanistan. U.S.-led NATO troops remain to train and advise Afghan forces.

Peace and self determination please.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 2:30 utc | 205

Great recently discovered home movie of famous Australian actor, David Gulpilil, performing in Hawaii in 1979.

Happy NAIDOC Day indigenous Australians and all Australians.

Posted by: Paul | Jul 10 2021 3:03 utc | 206

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 2:30 utc | 203

Thanks for this information. Just one more addition.

# Dr Timothy Leary seized at Kabul Airport in 1973 by the US ambassador by seizing his passport. The corrupt king is then bribed to extradite him and Jennifer Harcourt-Smith [from the Harcourt publishing family] to the US on a specially chartered DEA flight back to prison in the US, despite no extradition treaty, see 'Confessions of a Hope Fiend' and 'The Politics of Ecstasy' et al

Posted by: Paul | Jul 10 2021 3:28 utc | 207

Paul #205

Fabulous! Leary & Harcourt-Smith were likely there for the world famous hashish therapies or perhaps organically grown hemp paper to import for their printing press ;))

I do apologise to barflies for the blatant loony USA tilt in my Afghanistan post #203 but the provocateur in me thought it was best left unedited. For those interested I found this interesting site (again rightist USA origin) but looks like a deep dive in other reports would be worthwhile. The link is a detailed and more nuanced peek at Afghanistan affairs pre 1999.

I would be interested in our Afghanistan barflies feedback given their hot debate recently.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 4:06 utc | 208

Paul #204

and happy NAIDOC week to you too brother. Thanks for the link it was a treat. I passed it on to Uncle and Aunty and I am sure they will be stoked.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 4:18 utc | 209

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 4:06 utc | 206

I'm glad you got a kick out of the Gulpilil clip. I have an original East Arnhem land ochre painted circa 1970's didgeridoo. I might give it a blast, but I cant do the circular breathing.

I heard a real full on corroboree in East Arnhem land but I was chased away by the superintendent of the Methodist, Yikkala Mission on pain of calling the police and 2 years in prison. The elders said I was welcome.

I was returning a young mission boy, miles from home, I discovered on the track to the remote ELDO site, European Launch and Development Organisation. I didn't ever make it there.

On Leary, I met someone who was on the same flight from Switzerland to Kabul in 1973. The real story is the plane was nearly empty so Leary and Harcourt-Smith decided to go down the back and join 'the mile high club.' By happenstance, a horrified US DEA officer walked past and recognised them and had the pilot radio ahead. The US ambassador was waiting at the airport and grabbed Leary's passport, so Leary had no documents and was arrested at the check in.

Switzerland was about to extradite Leary to the US so he fled. It is peculiar how Switzerland couldn't extradite other high profile US fugitives, like Marc Rich. Then Bill Clinton 'pardoned' Rich after some serious 'donations' to the Clinton Foundation.

I imagine there were fringe benefits in Afghanistan in those days. One fringe benefit in Arnhem Land is Pituri or Vegeri, Duboisia Hopwoodii. But the Methodists have suppressed it.

Posted by: Paul | Jul 10 2021 5:07 utc | 210

Thank you K, at 199 for posting the link to this US Senate video. It contains really painful testimonies. The only thing I can say is that I am now more informed, and this is for all of us to see how little information is actually reported. I was wondering all along how come the MSM did not make some big headlines about the "heroes" doing the trials (and thought there might be some legal issues rendering this impossible, but also that it was still fishy we don't here more about these trials... since they could also interview people anonymously). But now I see that trials are not at all was people think they are in theory. On that again, Big Pharma takes no responsibility.
Nevertheless, 10 days later the CDC and FDA said "no third jab".
Too bad for Macron, now that Sanofi is going to produce millions of Pfizer doses.
The description of the "medical community" reactions in each case in the US senate video is also a good reminder of the abyss Western medicine has fallen into.
So, if I am correct, both mRNA and viral vectors are MGOs. One can only hope that some researchers will work out antidotes for the victims of the devastating neurological side effects. But that would mean yet another step into modifications of the human genome.

I will go "informed" to my appointment. Among the reasons that pushed me is that at least now I can still chose between a number of vaccines, and I preferred the quickest one. Waiting would probably mean I would have at some point to either accept the one they would impose or accept not to travel anymore (since tests preliminary to travel are not free anymore).

It seems also that even viral vectors vaccines are entirely new, except for the fact it has been used against Ebola with some success (but the trials also described a number of adverse effects). And precisely, the one-shot vaccine is said to have been created on the same basis (again, correct me if I am wrong, as this is an obscure field). I also remember that someone here mentioned at the very beginning of the epidemy that he and some colleagues had been offered an experimental jab if they wanted to stay in KSA and continue their work rather than being repatriated. I wonder if this could have been the MERS or the Ebola jabs, which both seem to have been used as developing models.

On the TTS issue, something recent from the EU.
"Until more information is available on the risk of TTS transfer via passenger lymphocytes, the decision to
accept a deceased donor vaccinated with non-replicating viral vector COVID-19 vaccines two-to- three
weeks before donation should be taken with caution."

And vaccine-apartheid is the new normal
despite good news about Sputnik

Posted by: Mina | Jul 10 2021 5:29 utc | 211

No matter what is the vaccine they have, travellers will have to quarantine and have a negative pcr made on site. Same in several Asian countries already (with better results than EU/US etc, unsurprisingly).

Posted by: Mina | Jul 10 2021 6:31 utc | 212

Paul #208

One fringe benefit in Arnhem Land is Pituri or Vegeri, Duboisia Hopwoodii. But the Methodists have suppressed it.

Thank you for that information. Thankfully Leary never found pituri. That herb has saved more lives than one can imagine. It was likely an essential kit for many journeys across arid lands provided you had water. Likely magic pharmaceuticals are derived from it, appetite suppressants for one.

On mission bosses, scorpions under the bedsheets was a suitable dispatch.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 6:55 utc | 213

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 6:55 utc | 211

Pituri has other uses like fishing, believe it or not.

Traditional people rip out a few bushes and throw it in billabongs. Then the stunned fish float to the surface and are collected by hand. Following that the pituri is removed to dry out on the bank. It can be then smoked around the campfire. The other fish recover, very sustainable.

It grows in every mainland state except Victoria. No doubt it was traded. Illustrations are very hard to find. Fortunately, I have quite a few colour plates and illustrations with other information.see the rare book: 'The Toxic Plants of Western Australia' published by WestAustralian Newspapers Ltd.1956. This book was published for farmers and graziers, mustn't let the stock eat these plants! They might get high.

Posted by: Paul | Jul 10 2021 7:48 utc | 214


The Provisional Government has called for the US and UN to send send in their troops. The "street" were/are getting too close to imposing a variant of the Social "waves" from Venezuela, Cuba, and S. America.

Obviously a new occupation was called for. This could be what the assassination was all about. ie. Get rid of a dictator who was building up a revolutionary movement against himself and replace it with a Military/Technocratic, Law'nOrder US directed operation.

Conclusion; the US WAS beind the Assassination.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 10 2021 8:15 utc | 215

K #199


Thank you and here is a companion interview with your posted link between Dr Robert Malone, inventor of mRNA, with Dr Erin Stair on spike protein issues. TrialSiteNews video 54 minutes.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 8:30 utc | 216

Paul #212

Thank you. I searched immediately I read your post with my new engine and Got it as download.

The world lost an astounding pharmacopoeia when it rushed Aboriginal people to oblivion. There remains a large volume of knowledge yet to be collected and I am sure this plant is valuable in any ways.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 8:41 utc | 217

The Lebanese cannot count on their millionaires

Posted by: Mina | Jul 10 2021 9:40 utc | 218

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 8:41 utc | 215

Thanks for your interest.

There is a great store of knowledge among traditional people.[don't tell BigPharma]. However, I don't think you found the same book, my first edition hardback is 251 pages with multiple colour plates and B&W illustrations. The authors are C A Gardiner and H W Bennetts.

Perhaps your find is a copy like most cookbooks are reworking of 'A guide To Modern Cookery' by GA Escoffier, first published in 1907. My copy is the reset 15th edition 1957. I also recommend 'Muslim Cooking in Pakistan' for authentic curry.

I agree with you about missionaries, they tampered with both aboriginal minds and bodies. All the aboriginal people in East Arnhem land actually wanted in those days was missionaries from the Pacific Islands, rather than pimply bible banging freaks from Sydney and Melbourne dressed in shorts and long sox.Now they want their land and culture back and why not?

At least they are not treated like Palestinians any more:

I'll try a new search engine, I am sick of google and DuckDuckGo, when I can work out how to access it.

Posted by: Paul | Jul 10 2021 9:52 utc | 219

peckford42 is an interesting Canadian blog.

About the blog

As most people who know me are aware, I hold opinions. Often strong opinions . However, I do like to research and and seek out the facts. My father called me ‘ digger’ for that reason I suspect.

This will be a wide ranging blog going where ever the urge dictates. I will try and mix it up ; especially referring to people and books that I particularly enjoy.

Hope you enjoy and visit often.


and there is a link to this interesting site-

Vaccinate children debate discussed here at Sebastion Rushworth's blog:

The debate is personally relevant, ethically complex, and the risks compelling so I took a peek and barflies might consider this as well:

With many countries rapidly reaching the point where most adults have been vaccinated against covid, attention has been turning to the issue of whether or not children should also be vaccinated. This has been accompanied by an increase in claims in the media that covid is in fact more dangerous to children than was previously thought.

I think most people intuitively agree that children shouldn’t be vaccinated unless the benefits to them outweigh the risks. That is probably the reason for the sudden up-tick in the claims of danger. While you might convince young adults to vaccinate themselves “for the greater good”, even though there is almost certainly no benefit to them personally, you will have a harder time convincing parents to let their children be vaccinated if there is no actual benefit to the children.

Considered in relation to reported studies of biodistribution of vaccine products in humans and you get the impression that this will be an explosive social issue.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 10:01 utc | 220

Paul #217

I'll try a new search engine, I am sick of google and DuckDuckGo, when I can work out how to access it.

I simply open it in a tab - and work it from there. It is intuitively excellent has top viewing facility, always opens a selection in a new tab, no adverts at top of search, seems to not censor anything or down rate out of reach, especially bypasses the noisy trash, does not remember you. The screen shot of each find is high quality and you can peek into each find. I leave tab open all day and can go back to earlier searches upscreen as needed.

Two days of persistent use and mighty impressed.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 10:10 utc | 221

Stonebird #213

The Provisional Government has called for the US and UN to send send in their troops. The "street" were/are getting too close to imposing a variant of the Social "waves" from Venezuela, Cuba, and S. America.

Obviously a new occupation was called for. This could be what the assassination was all about. ie. Get rid of a dictator who was building up a revolutionary movement against himself and replace it with a Military/Technocratic, Law'nOrder US directed operation.

Conclusion; the US WAS behind the Assassination.

Yes to that. As it is behind many assassinations. I guess the Haiti citizens, still raging over the removal of Jean Bertrand Aristide, are thinking along these lines. Again courtesy of the USA tired masses who seek freedom from their rigged system.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 10:24 utc | 222

The problem is, where does it stop with vaccination. Israel has been reporting higher hospitalization among 0-4, meaning that the virus goes to whoever is not vaccinated. But you cannot vaccinate newborns, obviously.
So again, ppl who said a year ago that vaccines were not a magical stick and that doctors have to actually cure the patients (and labs work on real treatment) were right.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 10 2021 10:26 utc | 223

UK situation does not seem good at all

Posted by: Mina | Jul 10 2021 10:45 utc | 224

Three sources on the Haiti coup:

June 30, 2021:

CIA Director Arrives in Colombia to Lead ‘Sensitive Security Mission’—Venezuela on Alert - Orinoco Tribune

The highest official of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), William Burns, arrived in Colombia to participate in a “delicate” mission in terms of security, as part of the “cooperation” between the two countries.

The Colombian ambassador in Washington, Francisco Santos, reported on the arrival of the CIA director, however Santos did not want to provide additional details about Burns’ visit to Bogotá.

“I prefer not to tell you it is a delicate mission, an important mission in terms of intelligence, that we managed to coordinate,” Santos replied obliquely when asked about the mission.

July 9, 2021:

Videos: Irate Mob Captures US, Colombian Mercs After Haitian President’s Assassination - Sputnik

"Police say they’ve identified a ‘commando team’ of 28 attackers, among them 26 Colombians and two Americans, who they say are responsible for the gangland-style killing."

Suspected Assassins of Haitian President Moïse Trained by US, Linked to Pro-Coup Oligarchy - Mint Press

As the investigation into Moïse’s murder unfolds, the U.S. appears to be preparing the groundwork to deploy troops to Haiti at the request of a figure whom it has spent decades grooming. According to The New York Times, Claude Joseph, who is in a struggle against Dr. Ariel Henry to head the Haitian state in the wake of Moïse’s assassination, requested the U.S. send military forces to guard key infrastructure, including the port, airport, and gasoline reserves. White House Spokeswoman Jen Psaki announced that the U.S. would reinforce U.S. personnel in Haiti with FBI and DHS deployments.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 10 2021 10:45 utc | 225

Petri Krohn | Jul 10 2021 10:45 utc | 225

The third link is very informative; Thanks. Pointing to this guy as the paymaster.

The Boulos family is one of the wealthiest in Haiti and owns a pharmaceutical company that, in 1996, was responsible for poisoning scores of children with its tainted fever medicine, some fatally.

Claude Joseph is also connected to NED.


Guaido has just proclaimed himself Interim President ---> or something. Can't let a good opportunity go to waste. ;-)

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 10 2021 11:14 utc | 226

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 10:01 utc | 220

Thanks again for your excellent research. The operative philosophy is 'for the greater good.' My son was vaccinated for childhood diseases and was in convulsions within hours and conveyed to hospital with his eyes rolling in his head. But, OH NO they said with straight faces, it wasn't the vax, after the spinal extraction, on a baby, mother, 'please leave the room'. They kept up the story through thick and thin. How they justify it, even to themselves, is again, 'for the greater good.' [is there a word for people who parrot the establishment line on whatever is decreed, despite the evidence?]

Now I don't trust anything the medical establishment or BigPharma says. Just like the government, remember, hands on heart, 'weapons of mass destruction'. Ditto MSM, no trust. Next they will tell us, again and again, 'Israel is a democracy' and expect us to believe them.

I haven't had the vax, ditto my wife and boy. There is no virus here and there never has been any virus here in my location. I am hunkered down and self sufficient. I am not participating in an experiment. One local, had the vax, and has developed blood clots and is F'ed for life. The media campaign is relentless and reminiscent of previous lies.

To quote Dr Timothy Leary:'the government is the enemy of the people.'

Posted by: Paul | Jul 10 2021 11:15 utc | 227

Birth to 15 Months

US Medicine Inc. does indeed vaccinate newborns.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 10 2021 11:49 utc | 228

Corrected link:

Birth to 15 Months

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 10 2021 11:52 utc | 229


Colombia's puppet regime had a press conference basically arguing that they have no control over their military assassin units.

"Faced with the avalanche of posts, statements, and evidence about the participation of more than 20 Colombians in the assassination of the president of Haiti Jovenel Moïse, Colombian Defense Minister Diego Molano admitted that in fact those involved are his countrymen, but he tried to distance himself from the atrocious political assassination, even though many see Colombia as the main agent of destabilization in the region and the tool of US imperialism.

In a statement released on local media and social media networks, Molano said that Interpol formally requested data from the Colombian government regarding the subjects captured and identified in Haitian territory as being part of the armed group that killed Moïse inside the presidential residence.

“Initially, the information indicates that they are Colombian citizens, retired members of the National Army,” declared the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Colombia. He added that the police and the army have instructions to collaborate in the investigation in order to clarify the case, but many analysts find the situation hard to believe, particularly because a few weeks ago the head of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), made an unexpected visit to Colombia and then Brazil."

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 10 2021 13:07 utc | 230

Wannabe dictator? Judge for yourself.

Western media doesn't want you to hear what Moise has to say. They all shout "dictator!" But don't show evidence of his being dictatorial. Moise's agenda is being covered up.

Moise in his own words (Al Jazzera interview with Moise from January 2020):

  • @4:37 [Regarding post-earthquake aid]:
    ... I can assure you that this money, the money that was spent after the earthquake, was not spent on the people of Haiti.
  • @ 5:26
    The State that we have today is a predatory state that is governed by a few corrupt oligarchs who seek to control the key areas of development.
  • @ 6:18
    Public opinion today is demanding a different country, a different system, and it is fortunate that it is I who is at the head of the country today because I am ready for this new system. A new system where players must cast aside their personal interests and giver priority to the interests of the people. And what are the interests of the people? Social rights and economic rights.
  • 9:49
    ... I said that the country has five problems ... corruption, corruption, corruption, corruption, and corruption.... and now it as though the vision of this fight that I am conducting against corruption is being distorted* but I myself am clear about things ... Things that were to cost the State USD 200,000 to 300,000 were done for as much as USD 1.5 million.
  • @ 11:13
    ... we are now in the process ... to strengthen the State ... that its role is now to server the people... There has been confusion between the State and the private sector, so as President of the Republic, I said: "No, this has to stop."
  • @ 14:06
    ... there are people who wanted me to be seen as being someone who was against the people but I obtained the power that I have by speaking out.

    In 2015 and 2016 I fought against an entire system in order to get to where I am now ... I am in the process of telling the truth to my people. And I am also in the process of obtaining for them what is owed to them ...

    * distorted by propaganda depicting Moise as a dictator?

  • @ 15:00
    ... I can tell you that I am sticking to my plan and following it. I have already told you that I am want to work with other people because at a political, social, and economic level there are certain people who behave correctly* and I want to work with those people in order to point the country in the direction of change, development, and growth.

    But that is not an easy task because corruption is a mighty machine, and when that machine turns against you you have to have the courage to fight against that machine.

    * Is this a reference to Venezuela and Cuba?

  • @18:19
    In Haiti there are man groups claiming to be human rights groups, but are in fact radical opposition groups of people who want to gain power through non-democratic means, while posing as human rights groups.
  • Moise then answers a question about gang crime - which he has been accused of making worse.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 10 2021 13:12 utc | 231

@224 Mina

Or is it? This footage was shot at the main hospital near me last December (we had a 4 day Christmas break from lockdown)

Numbers were supposedly high then.

The woman who shot this was arrested a few days later. I have no idea if she was charged or went to court.

I do know that it's mighty suspicious

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Jul 10 2021 13:32 utc | 232

Remember BRICS? Brazil's biggest trading partner is not the U.S. It's China. Biden's State Dept. and CIA have been reaching out to Lula, hoping to turn him but Lula keeps making nice statements about Russia and China. Liberal heart throb CIA director Burns is doing sort of secret trips to South America: Brazil and then Colombia. Seems like Biden is trying to re-focus on Latin America but his native puppets are worse than worthless. Bolsonaro has hemorrhaged and will not regain support. Biden knows it and now he probably knows he can't go with Lula.

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 10 2021 13:54 utc | 233

Contrary to rumors of USA support for Moise, Biden Administration supported Moise's opposition to Moise's referendum ...

And withheld vital aid like Covid vaccines:

Haiti Is Only Country in Western Hemisphere Without Covid-19 Vaccine

[June 2021, from Bloomberg:] Haiti, the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere, has earned another grim distinction: it’s the only one that hasn’t vaccinated a single resident against Covid-19.

US Covid Aid consists of 50 "oxygen concentrators" [plus an earlier 36] - probably part of the excess (now stockpiled) ventilators that Trump ordered from GM in a dramatic $1 billion move to appear like he was doing something.

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Aristide: Haiti has “coloniavirus”; Russia offers support

Former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide said Sunday that Haiti needs to transform the neocolonial system the country is in ...

Russia can help Haiti restore political stability, secure the country and train its law enforcement, Russia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs said during a press conference Friday.

“As a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, we’re closely following the events in Haiti, it raises our concern,” Maria Vladimirovna Zakharova said. “Currently, this Caribbean country is going through a new cycle of political instability that has lasted for more than a quarter of a century.”

Criminal gangs for hire: Corrupt cops and the fight for votes in Haiti’s next elections

Criminal gangs, already linked to kidnappings for ransoms, rapes and multiple massacres, are becoming guns for hire for Haiti’s political forces, two Port-au-Prince-based human rights organizations conclude in two separate reports issued this week.

Was Moise's rule being disrupted in same manner as Aristide? In the 1990's there was a wave of crime against pro-Aristide citizens

[From Washington Post:]Former paramilitary leader Emmanuel Constant was deported from the U.S. on Tuesday and arrested as soon as he landed in Haiti, where he faces murder and torture charges stemming from killings in the 1990s.

. . .

Human rights groups have accused Constant of killing and torturing Haitians when he became leader of the Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haiti after President Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s presidency was toppled in 1991. They allege that between 1991 and 1994, the group that Constant led terrorized and slaughtered slum-dwellers loyal to Aristide. When Aristide returned to power in 1994, Constant fled to the United States.

He was ordered deported in 1995 but allowed to remain in the U.S. because of instability in Haiti. Constant kept a low profile and lived with relatives in Queens, New York, until he was arrested in 2006 and later found guilty of fraud and grand larceny. In October 2008, he was sentenced at least 12 years in prison for his role in a $1.7 million mortgage fraud scheme.

US AID, IMF withold funds form Moise-led Haiti

[From Miami Herald:] The International Monetary Fund — which had agreed to provide Haiti with $229 million in loans at zero percent interest before the country’s Lower Chamber of Deputies fired Prime Minister Jean Henry Céant last March 18 — said it is in a wait-and-see mode.

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Arrest warrants issued for Dimitry Vorbe and others involved in Sogener case

Vorbe is an oligarch that bilked the State for tens of millions (perhaps much more) and fled to Miami to avoid arrest. Much of his Haitian property was then confiscated.

This was part of Moise's war on the oligarchs.

Vorbe should be considered a prime suspect in the assassination - especially since two of the assassins came from South Florida.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 10 2021 15:11 utc | 234

Serduk @ 200:

About thrust required to fly 500 mph at 3000 ft altitude in a passenger jet.

Okay, ran some quick numbers and yes, as I originally remarked, there is plenty of thrust to go that fast.

Whoever it was that said it takes six times the thrust has no clue!

Here's the basic understanding required: at a passenger jet's cruising altitude of about 35,000 ft, the air is much thinner. Air density is only 30 percent of what it is at sea level.

This means the airplane faces much less air resistance, drag, as it flies through the air. But this also means the engines make a lot less power, since engine power is a function of air mass flow.

Since the mass of air is only 30 percent, the engine will only be making about 30 percent of the power it makes at sea level. Thrust is simply air mass flow [measured in kg or lb per second] TIMES the engine exhaust velocity.

Since the engine exhaust velocity stays the same, regardless of altitude, it is ONLY air mass flow that dictates how much power the engine makes!

So here are the numbers...a triple seven [dash 200 model] has a max takeoff weight of 545,000 lb. But it rarely takes off at that full weight, and nearly half the weight is fuel. It also takes a lot of fuel to climb to cruise altitude.

So let's assume a cruising weight of about 450,000 lb. Each of the big GE90 turbofan engines is putting out 17,500 pounds of thrust at the normal cruise speed of Mach 0.83. This is 550 mph TRUE airspeed.

But the airspeed indicator will only show 284 knots [325 mph]. This is because of the less dense air.

Btw, the speed over the ground is the same as true airspeed, plus or minus any tailwind or headwind.

Now, it is a simple matter to calculate some important aerodynamic numbers. If we divide the weight by the thrust, we get the lift-to-drag ratio, which ends up at ~13.

This is also the ratio of coefficient of lift to coefficient of drag. We also know the aircraft wing area, which is ~4,600 square feet.

Another key is the dynamic pressure. This is what you feel when you stick your hand out the window when you are driving down the highway. This is also called 'ram' pressure and it increases by the SQUARE of speed. It is also a function of air density.

So the faster you go, and the greater the air density, the greater the air resistance, which is bound up in that number called dynamic pressure, or 'Q.'

So now we have everything we need to analyze performance at different altitudes.

let's remember first the basic flight equations: Thrust must equal drag, and wing lift must equal weight. This is for straight and level flight.

So obviously, since our two engines are putting out a total of 35,000 pounds of thrust, which we know from our flight manual. It means the drag must equal 35,000 pounds of drag.

Likewise our weight of 450,000 pounds must equal the wing lift of the same amount. We therefore have our lift to drag ratio of 450,000 divided by 35,000 = 12.86.

Now we bring the dynamic pressure into it, which is the air resistance for ANY object flying at this speed at this altitude. At cruise of 550 mph and 35,000 feet, the Q is 240 pounds per square foot.

At our speed of 509 mph at 3,000 ft [425 knots KCAS, which is the airplane redline speed], the Q is much higher obviously due to the higher air density. It works out to 605 lb/ft^2.

As already explained, this is a function of air density [although we are going slightly slower at 3,000 ft; but remember that at 35,000 ft we are nowhere near our redline airspeed---284 knots versus 425].

So the air density at 3,000 ft is 90 percent of that at sea level. Versus just 30 percent at 35,000 ft. It means we should have three times the engine power AT LEAST, because at cruise we are NOT at full power, only cruise power.

So since drag is a function of Q, the dynamic pressure, is only 2.5 times greater at 3,000 feet. But our engine power will be THREE times greater [0.3 vs 0.9 air density].

Plus we have even more power, since we have been using CRUISE thrust numbers here.

So yes, it is definitely possible to fly even faster than redline speed down low if we push the throttles all the way forward.

Of course, the air regulations do not permit a speed of greater than 250 knots indicated below 10,000 feet---we never actually get to try that out.

Even on test flights you are NOT going to be doing any fast flying low to the ground for obvious safety reasons. All test flying is done at higher altitudes so you can recover from any unforeseen problems.

Now that is the back of the envelope number.

Out of curiosity I did a more detailed number crunch on a spreadsheet, which I am not going to get into here in detail, and the amount of thrust to actually fly 509 mph [425 knots indicated, redline speed] at 3,000 ft is only about 55,000 pounds.

that's more than 30,000 pounds less than simply multiplying our drag by the same ratio as the Q [dynamic pressure].

That simple calc, using just Q, shows it takes ~87,000 lb of thrust from the two engines. [605 / 240 = 2.5]

Btw, those engines are rated at about 90,000 pounds thrust at takeoff, EACH. But this decreases with forward speed due to technical factors I'm not going to get into here.

But the 55,000 lb of thrust required to fly 508 mph at 3,000 ft is a fairly accurate number.

This is because the drag does not simply go up by dynamic pressure alone.

There is also drag due to LIFT, which is a big factor.

For instance if we simply used the ratio of dynamic pressure, 605 vs 240, our lift at 3,000 feet would be well over a million pounds!

Actually 1,113,000 pounds!

Obviously the airplane weight hasn't changed, so we do not need all this lift. We use that extra thrust to CLIMB.

The difference is that at the low altitude of 3,000 ft, we can lower the wing angle of attack to provide only the amount of lift required to equal the airplane weight of 450,000 pounds.

And since we have lowered the angle of attack, we also greatly reduce our drag due to lift!

All of this is not a difficult computation either---it is simply using the lift and drag equations, which are:

Lift = Q x Wing Area X lift coefficient

Drag = Q x Wing Area x drag coefficient

So 55,000 pounds of thrust is actually what is really required, and that's a piece of cake for those two engines. It is only 1.6 time greater thrust than our cruise thrust at 35,000 ft, which is 35,000 pounds.

And remember, the air is three times denser at 3,000 ft than at 35,0000 ft. So the two engines could make three times the power, which is over 105,000 pounds of thrust.

Like I said, jets climb very quickly. That is one of the great advances of jet engine technology. To climb quickly you need a lot of EXCESS power. That is why you could indeed go very fast, even surpassing redline speed right down at sea level if you wanted to!

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 10 2021 15:14 utc | 235

@ uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 2:30 utc | 205... thanks for your post... i have a problem with this line though -
"Sept. 11, 2001 - Hijackers commandeer four commercial airplanes and crash them into the World Trade Center Towers in New York, the Pentagon outside Washington, D.C., and a Pennsylvania field, killing thousands. Days later, U.S. officials say bin Laden, the Saudi exile believed to be hiding in Afghanistan, is the prime suspect in the attack."

what gives the usa the right to go to war on afganistan thanks the apparent presence of 1 saudi national?? and lets not go into who the guys on the planes were, as they weren't afganistans either... the way i remember it the msm was trying to blur saddam and osama and giving the most lame excuse for making war on afganistan beginning oct 7th 2011.. in many ways the war on afganistan was as unnecessary and wrong as the war on iraq that happened a year and a half later...

the usa has never accepted responsibility for its wars either.. countless people dead and nothing but shitty excuses.. no accountability... never.... i guess your post was just trying to give a broad overview... mine is not broad, but i will say it again -

the usa has never accepted responsibility for its wars.. countless people dead and nothing but shitty excuses.. no accountability... never....

Posted by: james | Jul 10 2021 16:12 utc | 236

@ migueljose (#203), thanks for your feedback and sharing about Empire’s development in Latin America.

The global geopolitical chessboard has increased substantially, with the Financial Empire pursuing PROXY wars to increase the cost for China and deny them new markets for selling goods. In the long run this strategy will fail too. Latin America would do better by not falling into a trap (including debt trap) and pursuing an independent development path by issuing its sovereign money and not selling its resources in the US$, a private money.

“The Empire now recourse to the traditional colonialist strategy: Use military means to guarantee the colonialist interests, including support for local elites who base their power on their armed forces behind the pretext of fighting “jihadist” militias. These military interventions reinforce exploitation and subjugation of the local populations, destroying their living conditions, which in turn force migrations and increase the consequent human tragedies.”

The jihadist activity has substantially escalated, as a shift in terms of the ‘center of gravity’ for these organizations from the Middle East to Africa. This gravitational shift may prompt greater engagement with the African and South American continent. In reality, it’s for control of one of the richest areas in strategic raw materials (oil, uranium, coltan and others) exploited by U.S. and European transnational corporations, whose oligopoly is endangered by Chinese economic presence and other factors.”

“Recourse to the traditional colonial strategy”

Posted by: Max | Jul 10 2021 16:21 utc | 237

you know that video that karlof1 left with the interview from doha - spokesperson for the taliban... it sounds like islamic law concept is read differently depending on how conservative or not a person is... the problem with religion is it is so subjective.... anyway, i picked up in that interview schools will be segregated - male, female... here is the interview.. One on One – Taliban spokesperson Suhail Shaheen

who am i to question it?? a person can't question a persons religious ideology... it is hopeless... people have to figure out things on their own...

@ migueljose... thanks for your posts on latin america... cheers.

Posted by: james | Jul 10 2021 16:44 utc | 238

@Blue Dotterel #188
Warfare is different than simple basic comprehension of relative economic and government systems.
For one thing - the wars that are started by idiots, are almost always started by idiots who have no actual experience of real war.
The apocryphal example is the need for a "What this country needs is a short, victorious war to stem the tide of revolution." by Vyacheslav von Plehve. Plehve was a lawyer by education and a secret policeman by profession, and the war in question was the Russo-Japanese war where the imperial military's incompetence in the Far East was abundantly demonstrated.
As for China's likelihood to win the COVID struggle:
Who has won the past 35 years of economic struggle?
Who has utterly transformed their society over the same period?

Just because the US Deep State is stupid in everyday terms does not mean they are actually literally stupid. For one thing, their goals are not necessarily what you think they are.
If your goal is MIC sales and/or US military budgets - is winning really the optimal path?

Net net: lab leak or bio-weapon theories suffer from an extremely poor job of understanding the capabilities and people that would be involved. Yet again - not impossible but you need evidence of means, motive *and* opportunity, and even then, randomness happens too.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 10 2021 17:33 utc | 239

@Blue Dotterel #187
Just because nobody knows precisely where COVID came from does not give all possible theories the same likelihood. This is a classic maneuver by conspiracy theorists: if we don't know, then X is possible.
In the real world - we look at probabilities.

What is the probability that COVID was created given that it employs a secondary infection path that was unknown to the leading scientists in that area? And closely following: even if lightning was bottled and the secondary path was found - how was it tested to verify this path worked vs. the innumerable other paths found?

What is the probability that COVID weapons research (note gain of function is not weapons research necessarily) leaked the dangerous subject of their study?

The most sad thing about this entire situation is the assumption that geneticists really know what they're doing. They have lab coats and databases and fancy software, but they literally are at the alchemy stage. The only reason we see positive output from the crop modification side is because they employ actual real world testing: creating new strains and seeing how they behave in reality - and they've been doing this for centuries, just with different tools.

One of the things I did as a teenager was spend a summer in a biotech lab. Nothing fancy today, but what they were researching was how to accelerate crop modification and improve tree replanting in a single blow by proofing out ways to go from a plant stem-cell like mass into sprouts. Being able to get around the whole seed to tree to seed cycle immensely accelerates the ability to produce tree seedlings for replanting but also cuts weeks off a life cycle for a genetically modified seed crop. It is the same reason why mice are used for medical testing: they have super short lives.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 10 2021 17:42 utc | 240

Latin America

Want to read a small book about Latin America? This one's a page turner (if it were in book form) by Jan Knippers Black, b. 1940, former Peace Corps in Chile, then to Brazil in early 1960s, big focus on Brazil but loaded with info and insight from 1950 through 2006, names names, dates, can't stop reading it. It's an epilogue to her book which I will order and read. Explains "Empire". I would make it required reading for every 9th grader worldwide but since I'm a humble peon I'll merely recommend it to fellow barflies. Remember, she's writing this in 2006, during the W and Cheney years.

"What is most enduring in the U.S. approach to empire has been enduring far longer than the United States itself – that is, the nature of the power game. In the Golden Age of Greece, Thucydides expressed it in simple terms: “Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature, they seek to dominate wherever they can.”

Empire does not imply the exploitation by one nation of another, but rather the exploitation by a ruling group, in the first instance, of its own nation (e.g., as taxpayers and troops), enabling the exploitation of others. Thus the empire-building and maintenance strategies and tactics and their consequences that affect subordinated states affect the population of the metropole, or core state, as well. It cannot be said, then, that the American imperial system has failed – every system works for somebody – but it has clearly failed to serve the interests of the American people.

American exceptionalism is a myth. Superpowers do not promote democracy, not at home and certainly not abroad. Democracy requires popular sovereignty – power to govern without external control – the antithesis of empire. Empire implies control, what U.S. officials often refer to as maintaining stability. Popular sovereignty means “getting out of control.” Empires do, however, promote theater – cover stories or rationales – that most often, of late, include elections, a theme to which we will return.

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 10 2021 18:20 utc | 241

@ c1ue (#239),

The Empire is not stupid and neither smart, it is pure EVIL. Its acts real intent is vicious and they’re are sinful. Its propagandist like to mask its actions as stupid not as evil. However, light is shining on the darkness of the Empire and its malfeasance and dark souls (Orcs) are being exposed!

In which currency is the Empire’s MIC selling? What is the fastest way to create lots of DEBT? “the real value of a conflict, the true value, is in the debt it creates. You control the debt, you control everything.” Who wants to make us all, whether we be nations or individuals, slaves to debt?

“Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence—those are the three pillars of Western prosperity. If war, waste, and moneylenders were abolished, you'd collapse.”

Posted by: Max | Jul 10 2021 18:22 utc | 242

Mina #223

The problem is, where does it stop with vaccination. Israel has been reporting higher hospitalization among 0-4, meaning that the virus goes to whoever is not vaccinated. But you cannot vaccinate newborns, obviously.

Absolute numbers please not "higher hospitalization among 0-4,"

"meaning that the virus goes to whoever is not vaccinated" No! the virus infects a small number of 0-4yr olds.

People have been banned from accessing preventative medicines. They have been propagandised to do nothing but wait for the great god vax to save them. We don't know if these infected infants come from groups holding high density social gatherings, if they are dark skinned or white skinned, if they take vitD supplements or even wear masks.

It is really important not to lose one's critical perspective in these times. The virus DOES NOT go to whoever is not vaccinated.

Most people on this planet will likely never catch Covid-19 if they take adequate precautions and those at risk can get hold of a prophylactic. See Ziverdo kit and buy online EU, Canada, UK, USA. Grossly overpriced and other options can be found.

Remain calm.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 21:29 utc | 244

james #236

Agreed and I can assure you that I also had a problem with that and other lines. NOTE I cited the source... PBS so readers could anticipate the likely propaganda whitewash.

My main intention was to illuminate the continuous push and pull on the Afghanistan populace and its institutions.
Note the line about the proselytizing christians. It was the same story that triggered the Mughal rebellion against the British Raj colonisers in India two centuries ago.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 21:34 utc | 245

Max #242

“Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence—those are the three pillars of Western prosperity. If war, waste, and moneylenders were abolished, you'd collapse.”

Exactly that !! Peace and commonwealth.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 22:16 utc | 246

Gordog wrote:

But the 55,000 lb of thrust required to fly 508 mph at 3,000 ft is a fairly accurate number.
This is because the drag does not simply go up by dynamic pressure alone.
There is also drag due to LIFT, which is a big factor.....
The difference is that at the low altitude of 3,000 ft, we can lower the wing angle of attack to provide only the amount of lift required to equal the airplane weight of 450,000 pounds........
So yes, it is definitely possible to fly even faster than redline speed down low if we push the throttles all the way forward.

OK so that raises the question : How good does the pilot have to be to accomplish all that AND hit a very small target just as maximum speed is reached and the planes wings are about to fall off? Would a pilot that can barely fly a Cessna be able to accomplish that maneuver on a 767?

Posted by: jinn | Jul 10 2021 22:45 utc | 247

Mina #223

An additional point regarding the hysterics advocating the vaccination of children is made by Canadian Dr. Francis Christian, Clinical Professor of General Surgery at the University of Saskatchewan and a practising surgeon in Saskatoon.

His points are clear and his adherence to the informed precautionary principle are well stated.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 23:03 utc | 248

Down Under the politics of oppression continue as reported by Bruce Haigh.

Some detail follows: “Bereft of ideas, morality and shame the government blundered about looking for its old comfort zone, unwilling or unable to acknowledge that following the ballot in east Timor the dynamics of the archipelago had irrevocably changed.”

“Nevertheless, Australia and East Timor did find Major-General Peter Cosgrove just in the nick of time. Cosgrove and his troops performed the task of securing peace and stability in East Timor in the manner in which every Australian hoped they would. Cosgrove provided leadership of a quality which had been sorely lacking in Australia. John Howard, John Moore (Minister for Defence), and Alexander Downer latched onto his coat tails hoping to gain some of the reflected glory and increase their diminished stature.”

"Howard and Downer were humiliated by the way events unfolded in East Timor. They had behaved in petty and mean spirited fashion further demonstrating these characteristics with the authorisation of the bugging of the cabinet room in Dili. They have unleashed the most bizarre and cruel chain of events that will not end well for them."

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 11 2021 0:05 utc | 249

Finnian Cunningham interviews a political-scientist based within the Outlaw US Empire who says the Duopoly is no longer useful for its purpose making it very likely the existing Friendly Fascism will be replaced by the more totalitarian type. While providing a definition for fascism, Colin Cavell provides one from a very different source that has what IMO is a unique observation for its time:

"Four years prior to the German invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939, the Seventh World Congress of the Communist International issued a report by Bulgarian communist Georgi Dimitrov Mihaylov defining fascism as follows:

"'Comrades, fascism in power was correctly described by the Thirteenth Plenum of the Executive Committee of the Communist International as the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital

"Fascism is not a form of state power 'standing above both classes – the proletariat and the bourgeoisie,' as Otto Bauer, for instance, has asserted. It is not 'the revolt of the petty bourgeoisie which has captured the machinery of the state,' as the British Socialist Brailsford declares. No, fascism is not a power standing above class, nor government of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen-proletariat over finance capital. Fascism is the power of finance capital itself. It is the organization of terrorist vengeance against the working class and the revolutionary section of the peasantry and intelligentsia. In foreign policy, fascism is jingoism in its most brutal form, fomenting bestial hatred of other nations." [My Emphasis]

Do take note that Industrial Capital is omitted and that much of Hudson's analysis is based on the incompatibilities between Industrial and Finance Capitalism. Those of us who examined the IMF & World Bank mandatory Structural Adjustment Programs tied to their Ball & Chain "Loans" can attest to the huge amount of damage they did to mostly former colonies just freed from their bondage--they're as heartless as a Scorched Earth Policy.

And so much more is said! While refreshing it's still distressing to read Cavell's analysis which I agree with and highly suggest.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2021 0:07 utc | 250

Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs has issued a very rare Press Release about the visit of the Taliban Delegation, which follows in full:

"On July 8, Special Presidential Representative for Afghanistan Zamir Kabulov held consultations with a delegation from the Taliban’s political office. The discussion focused on the situation in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and the prospects for starting intra-Afghan talks.

"The Russian side voiced their concern over the mounting tensions in the northern regions of Afghanistan and urged [the Taliban] not to allow these tensions to spread outside the county. The Taliban delegation reassured the Russian side that the Taliban would not violate the borders of the Central Asian counties and also provided guarantees of the safety of foreign countries’ diplomatic and consular missions in Afghanistan.

"The representatives of the Taliban reaffirmed their interest in securing a lasting peace in their country through negotiations, taking into account the interests of all ethnic groups living in the country, as well as their readiness to observe human rights, including the rights of women, in keeping with Islamic standards and Afghan traditions.

"It was separately emphasised that the Taliban is firmly determined to ward off the threat of ISIS in Afghanistan and eradicate drug production in the country after the end of the civil war." [My Emphasis]

Yes, some reiteration of what was already known. I've bolded what myself and others have speculated might occur. It's my estimation that while the Taliban are patient they are also anxious to close this chapter of Afghanistan's past. What remains for the Taliban to prove is their credibility and reliability which can only be accomplished by deeds. We're all liking what we're hearing, but results must be produced. I'm of the belief that the Taliban understand that issue. If overall stability can be accomplished widely and swiftly after NATO completely leaves, then there's a good chance that with the right type of aid the new government will be able to prepare for the Afghan Winter while making plans for reconstruction and development, and social polices like the one that must be implemented to deter opium growing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2021 1:55 utc | 251

@ karlof1 | Jul 11 2021 1:55 utc | 250/251

Thanks for the comments.

I agree that Fascism is the power of finance capital itself. Hopefully society will evolve beyond global private finance to providing finance as a public utility among nations.

I am not surprised that the Taliban is acting like a government and meeting with open-minded nations to negotiate their path forward. I think their position on poppies/opium cultivation is right on for multiple reasons, not the least of which is to cut off the Western mafia from the source of their global drug trade.....I hope they are successful and there is no reason they can't redirect that cultivation energy into FOOD positive niches for their country.

Is the Taliban going to take down the Western drug mafia? What a concept?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 11 2021 2:20 utc | 252

karlof1 #250

On the Finnegan interview with Coin Cavell, I just had to extract this from Cavell who comes across as way too genteel even given his analysis of the tweedledum and tweedledee reality of USA government. He criticises Trump as the neo fascist he is but kindly gives the Democrats under Biden a pat as they pass by. In reality the Biden team are perpetuating the Trump ignorance and belligerence. Trump lite. Perhaps we should name it the Trumden or Bumpden administration.

Colin Cavell: Donald J. Trump has never conceded his electoral loss in the 2020 presidential election; indeed, he is once again holding political rallies claiming he is the true victor of the contest albeit his allegedly “obviously apparent victory” was stolen by the Biden campaign, the Democrats, the Deep State, Hugo Chavez, China, Dominion, Smartmatic, etc. In effect, the U.S. is operating – although not apparent to Democrats and Biden-Harris supporters – with dual governments, each claiming themselves as the legitimate rulers. Cognizant that the current administration will not exceed the parameters of capitalist rule, Trump delights in repeatedly attacking Biden as promoting socialistic policies, influenced by “socialist” politicians within his party like Senator Bernie Sanders, Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, et al., while Trump opposes whatever initiatives are being proposed as allegedly denigrating and devastating America’s greatness. To counter a proto-fascist movement, one would easily understand if Biden championed the interests of the disaffected U.S. populace including racial minorities, women, and the working class by proposing legislation to erase student loan debt, declare a permanent moratorium on rent increases and evictions, provide free tuition, enact universal health care, etc., etc. Instead though, so far, most of what Biden has proposed has largely been symbolic in character, though perhaps not enough to maintain enduring support. The one element that does galvanize support for Biden is the continued existence of Trump in the political arena, though Trump’s existence is also his Achilles’ heel. Trump, in other words, is a cancer on the body politic and is being allowed to metastasize.

I was particularly triggered at the smooth pass he gives Sanders etc as "socialist" politicians when in fact they have effectively given cover for a perpetuated rip-off of the people. Cavell cannot bring himself to state the obvious, to recognise/pronounce the betrayal by AOC and the squad of treacherous dogs that refused bluntly to assert their power, to force the vote, to call out the hegemonic murderousness of their colonising Biden government.

Yes he calls out Biden for failing to support the interests of the disaffected but as apolitical analyst he fails to get to the nub of the current political opportunity that the 'left' flatly refused pay heed.

Soon I guess the squad of treachery will be patting themselves on the back about 'bringing the troops home, ending the forever wars' while keeping silent about root and branch demilitarising their Intelligence Military Industrial Complex. They will not loudly demand the end of USAi assaults on the nations of South America, they will not ask 'silly questions' about Haiti. No sound of $15 minimum wage, no call for Medicare for All, not a whisper about economic justice across the working class. Is it Cavell or cavil I wonder.

Yet the interview was enlightening as it points to a Biden led restoration of the Trump presidency.

Come to think of it, has any single Democrat uttered a squeak about the Mercers and their proto-fascist funding of empire?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 11 2021 3:10 utc | 253

The Mercers and did they fund an insurrection?

I discovered this February 2021 report at salon.


The Mercers funded numerous key players who helped foment the Jan. 6 insurrection, though their full involvement remains unclear. Along with far-right candidates and groups, they have also funded the far-right social network Parler, which was used to coordinate the Capitol siege, and Cambridge Analytica, the now-defunct London-based data firm that stole Facebook user data to help Trump's 2016 campaign target potential voters.

...but in the failed state of the USA, there will be no examination, no FBI knock on the door, no financial systems audit. Meanwhile the FBI will continue to examine every post, message, call and arrest the hundreds of insurrection/curious that walked through the Capitol building. I see a problem with this.

Then there is this finale:

The Mercers' extremist sympathies set them apart from other big Republican donors like the Kochs, whom Schmidt described as transactional limited-government ideologues who "got none of what they were seeking" from their Republican funding.

The Kochs "wanted conservative governance," said Schmidt, who was senior strategist for Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. "They didn't get that. They got big government, they got big-spending, out-of-control government, led by the Republican Party. That's the complete opposite of what they invested in."

But the Mercers "invested in a different cause," he added.

"That cause is not a democratic cause. It's not a limited-government cause. It seems that the Mercers invested in chaos and they got exactly what they wanted. It seems like they invested in someone who didn't believe in American democracy, and they got someone who tried to burn it down."

Is that sedition?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 11 2021 3:32 utc | 254

psychohistorian | Jul 11 2021 2:20 utc | 252

... redirect that cultivation energy into FOOD positive niches for their country. ...

1st order of revolution is to take care of the peoples' basic needs...and that begins with feeding...and that is done by immediately seizing warehouses of foodstuffs and prepping to reopen and expand cultivation of foods/water.

This must needs be done with rigid rationing where there is any prediction of scarcity, on a case by case basis. Early success at revolution fades quickly into reasonableness and and compromise until starvation roars...then the peoples are easy pickings for the oligarch vultures who salivate brutality.

Hat-tip Peter Kropotkin had lots to recommend in his "Conquest Of Bread"[original pre-publ. title "Bread And Freedom".

Posted by: chu teh | Jul 11 2021 4:21 utc | 255

@ uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 21:34 utc | 245... thanks uncle t! cheers james

Posted by: james | Jul 11 2021 4:32 utc | 256

From Xinhuanet

Former U.S. Secretary of State and long-time diplomat Henry Kissinger on Friday called on the United States and China to settle differences through dialogue and on the basis of mutual understanding for the benefit of the two peoples and the world.

"I hope a serious dialogue starts soon again on major issues between us," Kissinger said while attending an event commemorating the 50th anniversary of his secret trip to China via video link.

Recalling the mission which helped lay the groundwork for U.S. President Richard Nixon's ice-breaking China visit and the eventual normalization of relations between the two long-estranged countries, Kissinger said it remains important for the world and the two countries to understand the premise which led to the visit, which is "still valid, if not more valid than it was."

In the spirit of hoping to see "peace rather than conflict," and engaging with each other would be "great" for both sides, Kissinger's trip strengthened the two countries' understanding of each other on various issues and created the basis for subsequent negotiations.

The two sides, for decades afterward, have moved on the basis of mutual restraint to settle issues between them on a wide variety of topics, he said.

"We will keep in mind on both sides that not every problem can have an immediate solution, but we should start from the premise that war between our two countries will be an unspeakable catastrophe," he added.

Kissinger stressed the importance of bilateral ties between the United States and China, which "remains crucial and, in fact, is more important than 1971," saying that any conflict between the two countries will divide the whole world.

"I hope all the Americans will proceed with this objective in mind that we need peace for our two countries and stability for the world, and China and the United States can make decisive contributions for this," he said.

Kissinger has been a major impediment to peace and stability in the world for decades and is another, like Rumsfeld, that will die without being brought to judgement for the war crimes he has been part of......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 11 2021 5:13 utc | 257

jinn 247 "Would a pilot that can barely fly a Cessna be able to accomplish that maneuver on a 767?"

I take it you believe a bit of funny business going on with the destruction of the trade center building yet you assume the pilots had bugger all training?

That much bullshit about 9/11 focused on the planes and buildings rather than the so called authorities. Its a dead end road.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2021 5:13 utc | 258

Below is a Xinhuanet report about government management of the private side of their MIXED ECONOMY that is light years different than the West

BEIJING, July 10 (Xinhua) -- China's market regulator on Saturday announced a block on the Tencent-driven merger of the two streaming sites Huya and Douyu after an anti-monopoly review.

The ban was based on the country's anti-monopoly law after the State Administration for Market Regulation on Jan. 4 launched an antitrust review on the merger filed by Tencent Holdings Ltd.

Tencent has a market share of more than 40 percent in upstream online-game operation services, ranking first in the market. Huya and Douyu have a market share of over 40 percent and 30 percent respectively in downstream live games, ranking first and second, and their total market share is over 70 percent, the review showed.

Tencent already has sole control of Huya and joint control of Douyu. If the merger went ahead, Tencent would have sole control of the new unit, further strengthening Tencent's dominance in the live-game market, the regulator said.

If the merger was made, Tencent might have the ability and motivation to implement a blockade in the upstream and downstream markets, which may have the effect of excluding and restricting competition, hurting fair competition in the market, the regulator said.

I started my computer techie career in 1969 and had an economics degree in 1974. I have argued since the advent of Bill Gates that the world of Western techiedom is a disservice to humanity because it is too consolidated and advancement controlled. It is a hoot to see China take a stance that will keep their techiedom vibrant much longer

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 11 2021 5:23 utc | 259

Below is Xinhuanet's summary of the results of the G20 meeting

ROME, July 10 (Xinhua) -- Finance ministers of the world's 20 largest economies (G20) on Saturday agreed to go ahead with the plan to design a global tax system that would impose a minimum levy on multinational companies.

After a two-day meeting in Venice, the G20 finance ministers and central bank governors reaffirmed the common will to reform the international business tax system.

If implemented, this would put an end to multinational corporations shifting profits to low-tax heavens around the world.

In the final communique, they wrote that they achieved "a historic agreement on a more stable and fairer international tax architecture" after several years of talks and building on the progress made last year.

"We have endorsed the key components of the two pillars: on the allocation of profits of multinational enterprises and on an effective global minimum corporate tax," Italian Economy and Finance Minister Daniele Franco said at the closing press conference.

The agreement would be relevant in order to "contribute to stabilizing the international tax system in the coming years," said Franco, whose country holds the G20 presidency this year.

However, "additional work is necessary between now and October to fully finalize it," he said.

The plan will have to be definitely approved by G20 heads of state and government gathering in Rome in October for the annual major summit.

On the economy, the G20 finance leaders said the outlook has improved in many countries since their last meeting in April, mainly thanks to ongoing vaccination campaigns and the roll-out of supportive policies.

They underlined that the recovery remains uneven, and "exposed to downside risks, in particular the spread of new variants of the COVID-19 virus and different paces of vaccination."

"We reaffirm our resolve to use all available policy tools for as long as required to address the adverse consequences of COVID-19, especially on the most impacted, such as women, youth and informal and low-skilled workers," the final statement read.

"We will continue to sustain the recovery, avoiding any premature withdrawal of support measures, while remaining consistent with central bank mandates ... and preserving financial stability and long-term fiscal sustainability."

Created in 1999, the G20 serves as a main and informal forum for international cooperation on financial and economic issues. It comprises 19 countries plus the European Union.

The countries include Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, Britain, and the United States.

The group, home to almost two-thirds of the world's population, accounts for about 86 percent of the gross world product and 75 percent of global trade as of 2020.

There are words and there are actions....these read like words for now but pressure mounting.....plenty of time for the financial folk to design a work around......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 11 2021 5:27 utc | 260

news from the EU...France opens its nightclubs simultaneously with Spain and the Netherlands closing them (nl went from 500 positive per day on 26/6 to 7000 and 10000 in the last two days).
Luxemburg PM released from hospital after contracting covid at the EU summit on 27/6 (he had had only the 1st AZ jab....yes...AZ...maybe he doesnt travel much nor does he meet foreign counterparts...grin).

Posted by: Mina | Jul 11 2021 8:42 utc | 261

Gordog @235

Thank you so much for your reply. I really didn't expect this kind of detailed and exhaustive reply. You are the best!

Posted by: Serduk | Jul 11 2021 10:01 utc | 262

Talking about the mRNA vaccines, apparently, the chinese is testing their own version:

And is in the process of approving Pfizer:

I wonder how this will fit into the narrative that mRNA doesn't work.

Still, the idea of encouraging of mixing different kinds of vaccines seems crazy.

Posted by: Smith | Jul 11 2021 10:17 utc | 263

I don't see a lot of analysis over the recent stuff with Didi (basically China's Uber) on b, maybe it's not as big as the Afghan pullout but still.

Didi opens an IPO in the US stock market, immediately gets into hot water in China due to personal data law violation and is now removed from China's app stores.

While people are clapping on how China is dealing some justice over corporations, I ask the question: why don't they nationalize Didi in the first place? This is the same as the Tiktok debacle last year where the now-retired TikTok CEO seriously pondered to share data with Oracle until the state officials come to take direct contorl.

Didi is not gonna be the first China corporation to "betray" China, all corporations want more profit, not only in the domestic China market but US market and everywhere else.

Posted by: Smith | Jul 11 2021 10:30 utc | 264

Didi is not gonna be the first China corporation to "betray" China, all corporations want more profit, not only in the domestic China market but US market and everywhere else.

Posted by: Smith | Jul 11 2021 10:30 utc | 264

Well, it occurs to me that it might be better to have the greedheads out there in the open where you can keep an eye on them, as opposed to burrowing away inside the party. And they do generate a lot of innovation if you keep them on a short leash. Back in the day, when the government actually regulated them well, it worked pretty well for the working class here, all of it. I tend to favor "mixed" economies, it's not about everbody marching in line, or stomping the "bad" people out, nature hates mono-cultures. What matters is are they harming the public good, or not?

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 11 2021 12:57 utc | 265

karlof1 @Jul11 0:07 #250

TPTB haven't shown any signs of overtly ending Constitutional democracy. And why would they? They've been able to subvert democracy so completely that there is no need to.

As they say, "you get the government you deserve." It doesn't mean its the same as what's on the label.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 11 2021 13:17 utc | 266

Jackrabbit 183, 231

All elections in Haiti since the 2004 coup/invasion have been fraudulent, US or Canadian run affairs.

The US has a long history of assassinating its former puppets, when they are no longer responsive enough, or when the policy changes require a new face. See e.g. US killing of own puppet in south Vietnam, or invasion against former puppet Noriega after the latter stopped dealing drugs.

Whether as you claim Moise actually attacked oligarchs or merely threatened to, that would certainly be grounds for assassination. He was still part of the US/Canadian/French installed pedo regime of the 2004 coup.

Are you familiar with Haiti Information Project (@HaitiInfoProj), and Kevin Pina?

Posted by: Johan Meyer (2) | Jul 12 2021 0:52 utc | 267

uncle tungsten | Jul 10 2021 8:30 utc | 216

Available @ Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of mRNA technology discusses the Spike Protein | Interview

Posted by: pogohere | Jul 12 2021 7:46 utc | 268

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