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July 08, 2021

Open Thread 2021-052

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Open thread and the main thing is nothing change or only get worse.

Posted by: jo6pac | Jul 8 2021 12:41 utc | 1

Gowans on Huawei and Meng--

https://gowans.blog/

Posted by: arby | Jul 8 2021 12:58 utc | 2

Everyone (especially American's) are very much aware of the issues surrounding 9/11 but there is very much less awareness of the problems with the UK's 7/7 narrative (not least amongst the British public). This article (a review of Nick Kollerston's 2019 book "‘Terror on the Tube: Behind the Veil of 7/7") is a very good summary and makes for very uneasy reading:

‘Terror on the Tube: Behind the Veil of 7/7’ Review of the Book by Nick Kollerstrom

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 8 2021 13:05 utc | 3

As it looks like, Vodafone Ltd is a strategic future access point for US' data accumulation, and later investigations of individuals.

No fees in Ghana for Vodafone Cash

This ghanian expansion is just a hint to the long game of data control by the western world.

Posted by: Evoli | Jul 8 2021 13:22 utc | 4

Posted by: arby | Jul 8 2021 12:58 utc | 2

One aspect of the Huawei saga is the absent participants: American producers of telecom equipment. Now apparently extinct, like American megafauna in the aftermath of humans entering Americans. E.g. horses evolved in Americas, but while their Eurasian cousins co-evolved with humans Paleolithic hunters improving their skills, animals improving their evasion, American horses faced late Paleolithic hunters with no chances to adapt before becoming extinct. Similarly, the talents of American financial wizards in stripping companies like telecoms or Boeing leave rather scarce money for R&D.

Now we can see American horses and telecom manufacturers in museums, in Chicago I would recommend Field Museum of Natural History for the former and Museum of Science and Industry. for the latter.

Thus American taxpayers subsidize purchases of Samsung equipment...

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 8 2021 13:42 utc | 5

Lithuania on Wednesday accused Belarus of flying in migrants from abroad to send to the European Union and said it would build a barrier on the border and deploy troops to prevent them crossing illegally into its territory.

https://reut.rs/2SWMv9Y Lithuania says Belarus is flying in migrants, plans border barrier.

Good thing Afghanistan is winding down. Lithuania can redeploy its troops to protect the border. They probably would be a great help to solve the immigration problem from forever wars.

Maybe they can even get Belarus to pay for their wall…

Posted by: upstater | Jul 8 2021 14:24 utc | 6

PSAKI: "Our work doesn't stop there and we are going to continue to press to get 12-18-year olds vaccinated... that's one of the reasons why we initiated these strike forces"

Video: White House Says “STRIKE FORCES” Being Sent To Get Kids Vaccinated

Posted by: Down South | Jul 8 2021 14:27 utc | 7

Interesting read on NEO

On December 3, Fahmi Hinawi, one of the heads of the Mossad who was involved in killing Iranian nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, was killed in his car near Tel Aviv. The scenario for his assassination followed the same pattern that the Israelis had used: Hinawi’s car had stopped at a red traffic light and was then riddled with bullets from automatic weapons.

In late January, a “strange” plane crash in Afghanistan killed a high-ranking American CIA officer, Michael D’Andrea, who was in charge of operations in the Middle East and was involved in setting up the assassination of the Qasem Soleimani, head of the IRGC Quds special forces.

And on June 26 at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, US Air Force officer and Red Horse Squadron commander James Willis was found dead. The Air Force Times reported that the death of the 55-year-old US Air Force lieutenant colonel was not related to any hostilities. Previously, Iranian intelligence services had affirmed that Willis was involved in murdering the IRGC Quds special forces commander Qasem Soleimani on the night of January 3.


Washington is Progressively Losing the “Match” it is Playing with Tehran

Posted by: Down South | Jul 8 2021 14:32 utc | 8

https://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=2113


Does India have any *legitimate* concerns in Afghanistan? It is a laugh to believe that the gibbering globetrotting genocidal Gujarati gangster government of Narendrabhai Damodardasbhai Modi cares about a Muslim country with no common borders with India. One thing that immediately strikes anyone familiar with the history of India-Pakistan relations from 2001 on is the fact that India busily pushed in Balochi insurgents, terrorists, spies, and saboteurs into Pakistan through the Afghan border, since that's far more porous than that between India and Pakistan. The Indian consulate in Herat was a major conduit of illicit arms, explosives, and terrorists into Pakistan, and Modi worshippers openly began predicting an "independent Balochistan" by 2019. This terrorist flow stopped abruptly when the Taliban resurgence closed off most of the border, and not surprisingly factions of the Balochis also began surrender talks with the Pakistani government. To this day though the Indian consulate in Herat remains open, and one can imagine it being repurposed to supply weapons and mercenaries to anti Taliban groups. An interesting thing recently: the Modi regime said that Indian ISIS had gone to Afghanistan. Since ISIS is fighting the Taliban, one can surmise that this is a cover story if armed Indians are captured or killed by the Taliban.

Another interesting thing, as I said the other day, was that the servile American stooge S Jaishankar, India's "foreign minister ", whose only desire seems to be to please Washington, went to Qatar twice in June to negotiate with the Taliban there. The Qatar government confirmed the negotiations. Two weeks of silence later, the Modi regime suddenly angrily denied that negotiations had taken place. What bribe was offered the Taliban, and when and how did they turn it down?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 8 2021 14:58 utc | 9

Desperately looking for a clue on Haiti, but this assassination seems to have caught everyone off guard. Jovenel Moïse was supposedly doing Washington's bidding, so it seems unlikely they would take him out. There were elections upcoming wherein he was not to be a candidate. There is the question of the constitution which I assume was being designed to not rock any boats either. Cuban leader Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez (former President Aristide is reportedly in Cuba getting medical treatment) tweeted:

We deeply regret the passing of the President of the Republic of Haiti, Jovenel Moïse. We strongly condemn the violent act that caused his death. We send our condolences to family members and to our brother Haitian people. We call for peace.

Posted by: Maracatu | Jul 8 2021 15:37 utc | 10

a quote from the paper that karlof1 shared yesterday...

"Other countries are seeking three types of ways out. First, Russia,
the EU and China are building alternative international payments systems
in the form of SPFS, INSTEX and CIPS respectively as well as domestic ones
such as China’s Union Pay, Russia’s Mir Pay, India’s RuPay and Brazil’s ELO.
These are, further, being coordinated internationally (Losev 2019). These
rapidly expanding systems, based on other currencies, will increasingly
replace the need for international transaction to be routed through the US controlled dollar system." page 34

Beyond the Dollar Creditocracy: A Geopolitical Economy its a pdf...

Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 15:58 utc | 11

Re: US decline in semiconductor manufacturing
This is an interesting article on the history of the financialization of Intel.

It describes reasonably well, in summary, the slow motion decline of Intel as a leading edge semiconductor fabricator such that it is now 2 generations behind TSMC in semiconductor technology, and furthermore ascribes this decline to decades of stock buybacks.

Of course, the shortages impacting "non hi tech goods" like cars are not due to the leading edge processes but rather the gap between 200mm and 300mm wafer production; the older chip like microcontrollers are of the 200mm generation while the 5nm and 3nm chips are all 300mm wafers. It isn't even economically possible to transition a design from 200mm to 300mm - the underlying economics is such that the same physical chip manufactured in 45nm or larger semiconductor generation tech vs. 22nm or smaller would have multiples in cost difference.

Equally, the progression of technology has cemented the role of the giants in industry. At 0.18um/180nm - you could design and fabricate test chips for $100K meaning a startup could raise $1M and have a chance to produce.
At 45nm - the similar cost is $1M.
at 5nm - I don't know but I'd imagine the cost is more like $3M to $4M.
here is some data on relative cost vs. performance at different semiconductor technology nodes

Thus the economics I note above are due to the mask costs plus the fact that mature 200mm processes have nearly maximum yields (95%+) vs. the 75% or less yields for a newly migrated chip (between fabs, into new processes etc).

But returning to the article: Biden has proposed a $50B incentive program to kick start the US semiconductor industry. But how much will really be "American"? TSMC has announced a $12B fab in Arizona - so $50B would pay for maybe 3 new chip fabs at best.
TSMC enjoys far greater labor, tax and environmental cost savings in Taiwan but understands the strategic necessity of retaining access to the US market.

Good for them - I worked with TSMC directly for the latter part of my semiconductor career, and was always impressed both with their tactical technical focus and their strategic awareness of what it takes to lead in their industry.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 15:58 utc | 12

US is behind anti-China bloc that smears China

This aligns with Zakharova's recent statement that Russia didn't think for a second the US wasn't behind the British vessel that violated Crimea's waters.

Either way, this is a smart strategy by the USA. The USA became the world's capitalist empire only because the rest of the world self-destructed in 1937-1945, while it grew in the process by selling them weapons and industrial supplies. The rest of the world shrunk while the USA grew.

To send its borderland provinces instead of its own forces to square off against its enemy (Russia and China), the USA is trying to replicate the same process that made it great in 1937-1945: those provinces (ideally, a First World one, which has a lot of capital to be destroyed and rebuilt) are used to be smashed against the Russian-Chinese wall. As a result, they have to buy American weapons to sustain their campaigns (which is an extra surplus to the American trade balance) and, after they lose the war, the USA will get an extra surplus in their trade balance by financing these provinces' lost infrastructure (reconstruction). All that while Russia and China see some damage to their own (plus paving the way for a new isolation of these two powers on the economic sphere).

The USA is trying to recreate the post-war miracle and the Cold War isolation on a miniature scale. It is literally trying to turn back the clock, like Kronos devouring his kids.

--//--

World scientists slam COVID-19 ‘lab-leak’ theory

Western scientists have now realized that the cost of the lie to destroy China would be too great to Western Civilization in order to be worth it. It would mean, yes, the destruction of China, but also the destruction of Western science.

--//--

Coronavirus: Sinovac is world’s most used vaccine, but how good is its Delta protection?

Translation: we (the West) lost the first vaccine war against China. Let's now prepare the narrative so that we can win the second vaccine war (by creating the myth the Sinovac vaccine is ineffective against the Delta variant).

The Chinese vaccine developers have already stated many times that, even if a new variant turns out to be resistant against their non-mRNA vaccines (including the Sinovac), they would be able to update them in a matter of weeks to a couple of months max. That's what they do with flu vaccines. The Delta variant is not a long-term problem.

We already knew the moment the rest of the world failed in containing the virus that the SARS-CoV-2 was coming to stay forever with humanity.

--//--

Is this serious?

America Needs to Break Up Its Biggest States

If this really is serious, then American stupidity is stronger and more widespread than I thought.

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Fans banned from Tokyo 2020 Olympics after Japan declares Covid-19 state of emergency and IOC pledges to ‘support any measure’

Translation: the parasitic institution IOC desperately fights for its own survival, as the peoples of the world start to get fed up with the Olympic Games. Meanwhile, Japan desperately fights to preserve whatever rests of its soft power; doesn't want to be humiliated by a successful Winter Olympics in China next year.

--//--

UK Regulator Quietly Recognises Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines May Result in Heart Damage, Reports Say

Well, that's capitalism. Profits above the welfare of the people.

Could've just swallowed their pride and contained their greed and allowed the Sputnik V (the best) and the Sinovac (second best, but much cheaper) to their respective countries. Instead, we have delays, unnecessary deaths, and a new generation of permanently sick/disabled people.

--//--

Very funny rant, recommend reading it:

‘America: The Motion Picture’ is so stupid it actually thinks it’s smart… just like the country it parodies

Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 16:04 utc | 13

COVID-19 vaccination in children – major ethical concerns

"...it is extremely concerning to hear of a possible rollout to children later this year. In so doing, we are entering into very questionable ethical terrain. The main concerns are as follows:

● All the vaccine trials have specifically excluded children. Effects of the vaccine on children are therefore completely unknown.

● The vaccines being rolled out have only limited short-term safety data and no long-term safety data available.

● Known potential, late-onset effects from vaccines that have not yet been ruled out include adverse immune response to infection, neurological disorders, autoimmune disease and pregnancy related problems which could take months or years to become apparent.

● Pfizer-BioNtech and Moderna vaccines involve completely new mRNA vaccine technology which has never previously been given to a large population.

● AstraZeneca, while involving a standard delivery method, still involves presenting DNA fragments to the host cell which will then be taken up by the host to programme for spike protein production rather than the more traditional whole virus or viral protein technologies. The recent suspension of this vaccine in over a dozen countries over blood clot fears is cause for concern.

● Children are at extremely low risk from COVID-19 and no previously healthy child under 15 has died. In context, COVID-19 accounted for 0.54% of all childhood deaths in the UK and 6 other countries over the last 12 months. Around 30-50% of children remain asymptomatic and admissions to hospital or intensive care are uncommon.

● A small number of children have been reported with Paediatric Inflammatory Multiorgan Syndrome but the vast majority have made a full recovery.

● It has been suggested that a very small number of children may develop ‘Long Covid’, however given the unknown risks of adverse events from vaccination, this is not a reason to proceed.

● Children are also much less likely than adults to transmit the virus, indeed living or working with young children reduces the risk of severe disease. Therefore the argument of ‘protecting others’ is not applicable.

● Limited UK trials on children are designed to look at the immune response with only 300 participants. This trial cannot assure long term safety.

For all of the reasons cited above, it would be highly unethical to vaccinate children who are at such low risk from COVID-19. Any potentially long-term negative outcomes from vaccination are especially important for children, for whom so many more years lie ahead and whose immune and neurological systems are still developing."

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 8 2021 16:13 utc | 14

China’s non observance of border agreements ‘disturbed’ foundation of bilateral ties, says Jaishankar

External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar said on Thursday that there has been a lot of concern about the India-China relationship since last one year because Beijing has not observed agreements on the border issue which has “disturbed” the foundation of the bilateral relationship.

“I would say for the last 40 years we had a very stable relation with China…China emerged as the second largest trade partner..,” Jaishankar said in response to a question on China-India relations at the Primakov Institute of World Economy & International Relations in Moscow.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 8 2021 16:17 utc | 15

China strikes back at Amerika.

https://asiatimes.com/2021/07/china-to-us-two-can-play-at-technological-war/

This won't end well for Amerika.

Posted by: jo6pac | Jul 8 2021 16:20 utc | 16

Can Turkey hold Kabul Airport?

Posted by: svaya | Jul 8 2021 16:36 utc | 17

re: Haiti

Clearly the assassinated President had his security removed ahead of the arrival of the "mercenaries".

Posted by: jayc | Jul 8 2021 16:44 utc | 18

Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 16:04 utc | 14
re:World scientists slam COVID-19 ‘lab-leak’ theory

Or they are aware that continued persuance of the issue may lead to an investigation into Fort Detrick, and possibly a moratorium on GOF research. :)

Too bad Peter Daszak was involved in the letter given his conflict of interest, and that it was published in the politicized Lancet. This provides the letter with little credibility.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 16:46 utc | 19

Can Turkey hold Kabul Airport?

Posted by: svaya | Jul 8 2021 16:36 utc | 19

With 500 troops, they will hold it as long as the Taliban wants them to.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 16:50 utc | 20

Putting the above in context: $50B = maybe 3 chip fabs...

There are well over 100 chip fabs in the world - the transition from 200mm to 300mm alone involved 160+. There are a lot fewer leading edge ones but the customers for the same are equally few, and the output from these fabs is enormous.

The vast majority of chip fabs output consumption, by volume, is in the older processes. It seems highly unlikely that the numbers of those will chance significantly. I am not even sure the manufacturers of those machines even produce them any more - and if they did, what the lead times are.

I do know that a leading edge EUV machine has a 2 year lead time...

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 17:00 utc | 21


Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 16:04 utc | 14
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 16:46 utc | 21

Lee Camp provides some bio-attack history against the USA by the USA.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/528701-bioweapons-attacks-cia-military/

So, why would they not take a lab leak from the USA that they might want to cover up and transport it to Wuhan to pass the guilt.

I know people here oppose the lab leak because it is a meme used to demonize China, rather than because there is sufficient evidence to dispose of it. There isn't. We will probably never know because the US labs will not be allowed to be investigated.

Camp concludes:
"In sum, the Military Intelligence Industrial Complex are serial murderers — not just overseas — but of our own citizens. They performed hundreds of experiments on unsuspecting Americans, and yet the organizations responsible still exist and enjoy budgets in the hundreds of billions of dollars a year. No one went to prison for these heinous acts because when you or I do it, it’s called “a horrible crime,” but when the ruling elite do it, it’s called “research.”"


Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 17:31 utc | 22

What is national sovereignty?

In the modern world only a very small number of countries can proudly claim Absolute National Sovereignty (ANS). Please, keep in mind a simple truth: the ownership of a flag and an emblem per se counts for nothing. Never be surprised if a country acts against its own interests. The simple fact is that this country does not have a real autonomy. What is the Complete National Sovereignty then? It consists of SEVEN different sovereignties:

1. TERRITORIAL Sovereignty. The recognition of the territory of the country, the flag, the national emblem and the national anthem. A physical territory defines a country. No foreign military bases on its soil.
2. MONETARY Sovereignty. A nation issues its sovereign money and allocate it in the best interest of its people, infrastructure and overall well-being. This enables a nation to price its goods, resources and services in its sovereign currency for internal and international trade.
3. GOVERNANCE Sovereignty. The governance structure of a nation is independent without external controls and define the laws of the nation. A nation is independent to define its political and governance system. A nation that ENSLAVES (monetarily, informationally, laws, force...) its own people doesn’t have a government but an administration and is a private plantation.
4. MILITARY Sovereignty. The nation has its own military and ability to rebuff an aggressor and to provide security for itself. It isn’t occupied by foreign military forces.
5. ECONOMIC Sovereignty. The economical and industrial development, provides for further advancement of the country out of its internal reserves. The nation has positive trade balance and isn’t going into debts to foreign powers to sustain itself.
6. CULTURAL sovereignty. A nation has its own culture that promotes good values, unity, egalitarianism, shared prosperity and sacrifice,... An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a nation. Without honest media channels a nation becomes weak and controlled by economic and political powers. Truth and integrity define the strength of nation’s culture.
7. DIPLOMATIC Sovereignty. It implies the ability to pursue an independent foreign policy in the national interests without external pressures.

Nations enjoying the sovereignty in its full range can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Please name nations that have absolute national sovereignty.

Today’s chains consist not of iron and shackles, but of currencies, debts and payment networks. Most of the nations have been captured by the Global Financial SYNDICATE’s Financial Empire and are its suzerainties (VASSALS). It controls the US$, British Pound, and Euros. How about Japan’s Yen? The Financial Empire wants to capture various regions, privatize their assets and own them using financial mechanism. That’s why the road to freedom lies in the monetary-financial sphere. Ones one understands this reality about a nation they gain insights into the global driving forces. For most nations, their financial, fiscal and foreign policies are defined by the “Ring of Power” (GFS,...). Suzerainty or vassal nations have freedom to define their social axis (left-right arenas).

Even in the 21st Century many nations have foreign military bases on their land. A nation with how many foreign military bases should be considered as an EMPIRE? In which currency should a nation carry out its internal and international trade? In the era of Monetary Imperialism, the enemy’s soft currency shall be opposed by nations and sovereignty achieved in the monetary sphere. Using foreign currencies is the most serious obstacle to country’s development. Also, a sovereign nation should avoid its companies be acquired by outside monopoly corporations and their values be defined by global speculators.

Many events have taken place lately in different parts of the world. The world is changing rapidly. All those things that were myths, secure and stable yesterday are now becoming unstable. The international architecture and financial system is falling apart in multiple ways. What should one think of these global events? The Financial Empire needs to be DEFEATED for nations to be sovereign and imperialism to end?

Please name a democracy that isn’t a suzerainty.

"The true equation is ‘democracy’ = government by world financiers.”
– J.R.R. Tolkien

Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 17:43 utc | 23

@Blue Dotterel #24
Lee Camp makes an assumptive close stating that COVID was created.
I have noted many times that this is extremely poor thinking.

Creating a brand new infection path is extremely difficult - even creating known and well documented genetic fix for a disease takes a long time and a lot of dead test patients, thus the capability to find such a path is highly unlikely.

Multiple leading virologists in the specific field have stated that the infection path used by COVID was unknown to science until it popped up with the actual disease. Not theorized, not known to exist much less known to be a viable way to infect humans to a high degree.

A second part is that even if such research is conducted, you still have to test to see how "new" variants perform. Where are the hundreds to thousands to tens of thousands of test subjects - the camps full of "V for Vendetta" undesirables used as test subjects?

Thus what Mr. Camp writes is based on pure supposition: that both steps above were actually done - plus a third one - that nobody would talk about playing a role in a disease which has killed millions of people and has accelerated the decline of the US vs. China to a visible degree. This requires a full creation and distribution chain of sociopaths/psychopaths to boot.

Possible? Certainly but possible does not mean either likely or real and as such requires extraordinary evidence.

Criminal prosecutions requires means, motive and opportunity. All of this talk about NWO or whatever only addresses motive.

There is still missing the means and the opportunity.

Washington State was the first US state to have community transmission - but they suffered far less than New York or other East Coast states, nor did they have a 2nd/later wave like California such that California deaths per 1M are now double that of Washington State (albeit still lower than NY or the tri-state). Note furthermore that the East Coast infections didn't come from Asia directly or even the West Coast early footholds, but from Europe.

Are these magical conspirators so stupid as the enable transmission in their own backyards, since DC, Detrick, etc are all East Coast?

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 17:48 utc | 24

Full spectrum dominance 100% success. Now they own our bodies.
"More than half of Marylanders between the ages of 12 and 17 are fully vaccinated, state health data shows.
Under the incentive program, two scholarships will be awarded every week for eight weeks through Labor Day, when four winners will be picked, Hogan said. Winners will get a Maryland 529 prepaid college trust contract, which locks in today's tuition rates for the future, or a Maryland 529 College investment plan, Hogan said.
The incentive is an effort by the state's Department of Health and the Department of Higher Education."

And the rest of the article shows why there is no more escape to it. After screwing all measures, they've imposed it.
Only exit is to become a hermit (as if quiet places and autarcy was still possible).
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 17:52 utc | 25

BoJo's decision to allow Brits to treat the COVIDsafe Rules as discretionary whilst UK opens Everything, amid a background increase in New Infections, could become UK's most famous Social Engineering Experiment since Lord Balfour recommended the creation of "Israel".
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Oz's vax roll-out has become a completely opaque bullshit festival due to ScoMo over-exaggerating the forward-order delivery schedule late last year.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 8 2021 18:12 utc | 26

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 17:48 utc | 26

I think you miss the point. Camp may be discussing examples of known deliberate efforts, but a leak does not have to be deliberate. However, if one wanted to cover up an accidental leak (remembering the the 5 original strains of the virus were all found in one country - the US, not China or Iran, or Italy), and kill another bird (the Chinese economy) then the means and opportunity could have been the military games held in Wuhan.

Obviously, the extraodinary evidence is not there, but neither is the extraordinary evidence for the opposite. The science is not conclusive either way. We do not know and probably will not ever know since there will not be a proper investigation of all potential biolabs that could have leaked, and no intermediary species is found.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 18:14 utc | 27

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Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 16:04 utc | 14


Is this serious?

America Needs to Break Up Its Biggest States

If this really is serious, then American stupidity is stronger and more widespread than I thought.


It sounds like a wet dream of the Democrats.
If they could break up the coastel states, they would gain relatively.
Like the proposition to make DC a state.

Posted by: Kartoschka | Jul 8 2021 18:21 utc | 28

@Blue Dotterel #29
Accidental lab leak is even weaker than deliberate bioattack.
To the above existing problems, said theory adds:
1) Incompetence - people working on a bioweapon don't take precautions against being infected with it, much less carrying it to the outside world?
2) That the above incompetence in lab safety doesn't also compromise the veil of secrecy defies belief.

As for the "5 original strains" nonsense:

Only the most moronic analyst would ever think COVID would hurt the Chinese economy more than the US and/or Europe.

Which government is more likely to act quickly and decisively to combat a known problem including society wide restrictions? China

Which society is more cohesive in response to a known threat? China

So an American leak of a bio-weapon or an American attack on the Chinese economy via COVID would also require strategic stupidity as well.

But of course, the bio-weapon theory is further idiotic because all of Asia - not just China but the Philippines, India, Myanmar, etc etc have suffered 20% or less the death rates of the US and Europe. So what do you call the creators of a bioweapon that kills 5 to 10 times as many of your own countrymen and geopolitical allies/servants than the enemy? I would call it incompetence at best.

The only rationale that might make sense would be the "cleansing" of the elderly in the West - to free up their capital and reduce the impact on health care systems/government expenditures. But even that is suspect since the virus was also killing not-insignificant numbers of the oligarchy as well - thus the creators would have to either be incompetent or sociopathic to the point of killing their own kin.

Net net: I can't say I'm particularly impressed with this latest attempt to deflect.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 18:46 utc | 29

@Kartoschka (Tater man!) #30
The NYT article is just gerrymandering at a different level.
And it is utterly not credible.
California's blue votes due to its all-or-nothing electoral vote setup benefits enormously from the 25%-35% of CA's population that is red. Any breakup of California into multiple states would free up significant numbers of electoral votes from LA/SF domination. The same could be said for states dominated by a large city - like Illinois or New York state.

What these particular gerrymanderers want is to selectively break up red states in which the blue urban areas suffer the same type of problem.

This is nothing more than old school political party block and tackling.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 18:52 utc | 30

@ Afgun 32

Your cultural and earlier geopolitical thoughts in regards to Afghanistan are way out in left field, to put it politely. I really don't know where to even begin. Your first conclusion on the Taliban upsurge being "fake" and orchestrated by...who... the CIA? is just nuts and I suspect is motivated by your personal feelings towards Pashtuns. Your historical perspective also has quite a few holes in it, so do me a favor and figure out what you're talking about before you beak off at the mouth.

Posted by: Atreides | Jul 8 2021 18:55 utc | 31

28 Hoarse... You must have missed Wembley yesterday. 60,000 ppl in the stadium, probably less than 1 mask per 1,000.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2021/jul/08/england-fans-celebrate-euro-2020-semi-final-victory-in-pictures
co-what?

Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 18:57 utc | 32

c1ue, you say "the virus was also killing not-insignificant numbers of the oligarchy as well"
could you develop?? i fail to see any oligarch in the list of those that passed away (a number of musicians did, though).

Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 19:01 utc | 33

France will not allow Russian nor Chinese vaccine......certaimly Russia is not at all happy says Zakharova....says some nice choice words.

Posted by: Jo | Jul 8 2021 19:19 utc | 34

Posted by: Afgun | Jul 8 2021 18:36 utc | 32

This Afgun guy really thinks hes some superior dude.

He absolutely traveled to little (or with the wrong people) in his life to understand the profile of cultures and humans.

It is a blessing that his centrifugal family will beget centrifugal kids that will not have kids.

Posted by: MrT | Jul 8 2021 19:20 utc | 35

@ Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 17:52 utc | 27

I don't understand your position. The vaccines work. They're the nearest thing we have of a "cure" from COVID-19. Children can and do transmit COVID-19, and the concept of herd immunity only works if children are also vaccinated. The governments all around the world are offering to vaccinate their peoples for free at the point of delivery (therefore, they are cheaper to the consumer, as their price is zero).

So, you have something you only have to take once in a year, that has its efficacy scientifically demonstrated and that's being offered for free to the population. And you're against it because... people should buy Ivermectin! (some months ago, it was HCQ).

Stop and listen to yourself. You're propagandizing for a drug that doesn't work and either way would be much more expensive under the argument it it does work and is less expensive. You're literally picking the facts and turning them upside down: you're pretending to live in a parallel universe where vaccines don't work, have worst collateral effects and is more expensive, while Ivermectin do work, has no collateral effects and is less expensive. You're the definition of Orwellianism.

At this point, I can come to no other conclusion than that you're a paid troll hired by Big Pharma (probably through some shell NGO like the FLCCC).

Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 19:28 utc | 36

I had mentioned on the MoA Week in Review below b's link to an article about Iraq by Akit Papadakis, which when I read the article fed into an article about possible origins of covis by the same author. It no longer does, but I was able to find it in my own history links.

Nobody commented on my post, but having retrieved the article I will now do my truncated style linkage. It is rather mindboggling, and I haven't seen another reference to it, so here it is:

https://vk.com/@agitpapa-
the-apprentice-sorcerer-the-arch-criminal-and-the-pharma-corporation-with-the-biblical-name/

If it cannot be found due to the length of the title, I have bookmarked it and would be happy to give more information. The article comes from March, and describes research that was been done early on at a China lab which was unsuccessful in obtaining virus samples from horseshoe bats to do gain of function research. A US researcher at a UNC lab was successful in making that isolation. The story goes on from there.

My question was then and is now whether anyone could verify this article? I only came on it by accident scrolling down from b's Iraq link. Now when you do so, the earlier article is no longer there.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 19:28 utc | 37

Sorry - "covid" of course.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 19:30 utc | 38

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 18:46 utc | 33

Did I call it a bioweapon? No, I did not. I merely pointed out that a bio-lab leak that was found to cause a significant disease might be used by certain people in the US to cause mischief in China. Had the Chinese not been on top of things, as the US wasn't, then the mischief could have been quite damaging in deaths and economic harm. As I understand it, lab leaks are not uncommon, but usually not significant. In this case an asymtomatic lab worker could have taken it out and infected many without even realizing it. Just because the Chinese were the first to identify it, does not mean it hadn't been around for months previously. Just mixed in with the flu, the symptoms of which are similar.

Of course, it could have been intentional, too, though unlikely. You can hardly deny that the virus is responsible for considerable global economic damage, including in the US and Britain, among others. This might have been hoped for in China.

The Camp article merely shows that certain intel/military groups in the US are more than capable of taking advantage of such an opportunity, even against their own people, let alone an important geopolitical rival. Biological warfare does have the advantage of plausible deniability. Afterall, if investigators cannot even investigate biolabs, how will they discover a potential source.

As for the US oligarchs concern for their own people, are you serious? This whole COVID debacle in the US has enabled the destruction of the "deplorables" small businesses, landlords and homeowners, which will likely be maximized very soon. Who benefits? The creditors that is who.


Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 19:34 utc | 39

vk,
Strangely enough, Japan and South Korea seem to have had envisaged the possibility of targeted vaccination of only the ppl at risk and those who volunteered. And the same in the Netherlands. These three countries are usually pretty advanced in bio-tech.
But that was before the Delta variant.
The EU, out of fear for its airlines industry, and because of its need for the cheap workers it flies here and there when needed, has let the whole vaccination plan that could have been limited to the ppl at risk, fail lamentably.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 19:35 utc | 40

link that juliania wants to link to.. i didn't read it, but might now..

The Apprentice Sorcerer, the Arch-Criminal, and the Pharma Corporation with the Biblical Name*

Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 19:36 utc | 41

And my comment @ the MoA Week in Review below is at 115, pertinent paragraph begins "...I will as well mention the earlier article..."

Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 19:37 utc | 42

vk,
only paid trolls can write "its efficacy scientifically demonstrated"
The numbers are showing vaccine escapes everywhere. With the Chinese more than any other, and with Pfizer and Sputnik very clearly too.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 19:38 utc | 43

article from 2015 inside the article i linked to above -

New SARS-like virus can jump directly from bats to humans, no treatment available

Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 19:38 utc | 44

vk @41:

https://principia-scientific.com/
covid-deaths-plunge-after-mexico-city-introduces-ivermectin/

Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 19:42 utc | 45

@ mina,
So sorry for citizen VK screaming at yoh. Lost in his Xanadu. Eyes wide closed.

"quand le sage montre la Lune, l'imbécile regarde le doigt"

Posted by: Rêver | Jul 8 2021 19:45 utc | 46

Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 16:04 utc | 14

Just an insignificant nitpick - I believe Sinovec vaccine is not China's most popular (adleast in parts of Europe that imports it as far as I know) due to lower efficiency - it is Sinopharm one that is really popular. But it is same technology (classical vaccine with weakened virus) so same thing.

Posted by: Abe | Jul 8 2021 19:50 utc | 47

Also - Sinopharm is maybe most popular too due to being really safe and without any significant side efects, basically it is go to choice for any risky group (really old/sick people). Which I trust completely cause it uses most proved, traditional way of producing vaccine that is for decades in use.

Posted by: Abe | Jul 8 2021 19:53 utc | 48

c1ue @ 33, that is not the only rationale I could see: Suppose an accidental leak at a US lab that, known to a few, accidentally infected US soldiers. Suppose the blame could be put upon China thanks to the military games. Mightn't have been all planned, just was the best option at the time. And all exculpatory evidence destroyed. Maybe.

I'd see that 'maybe' as a motive for softpedalling further scrutiny. As also raised hue and cry about future such experiments had the source been located.

Not saying that is what happened, and I'll agree we might never know the real truth.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 20:00 utc | 49

Also, regarding vaccinating children for goal of achieving herd immunity - correct me if I am wrong, but NO vaccine prevents people from being contagious when they do catch covid.

So even if you vaccinate children (regardless which vaccine) or anyone for that matter, they still get the virus (with lower risk of serious complications, as they say), but you are STILL contagious for people around you.

So vaccinating children is completely non logical, considering more of them will die due complications of those mrna vaccines than from virus itself. And god only knows what are long term side effects.

Posted by: Abe | Jul 8 2021 20:01 utc | 50

Not scientifically demonstrated
I personally don't know a single person death from/with Covid.
I personally know three people 45-55 years in good shape and health, death from cardiovascular disease since 3 months [begin of massive "vaccination"], they were very happy to take the nearest thing we have of a "cure" from COVID-19, something you only have to take once in a year, that has its efficacy scientifically demonstrated and that's being offered for free to the population.

No statistical, just... isolated events

Posted by: Rêver | Jul 8 2021 20:02 utc | 51

@ Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 19:38 utc | 48

The goal of the vaccines is not to make one completely immune to reinfection by COVID-19. Their goal is to make them transmit much less (close to zero) and immune to grave cases of COVID-19. A vaccinated person may get infected by the SARS-CoV-2, but he/she will only have an very mild case worst case scenario (more likely non-symptomatic) and most likely will not infect other people.

To say vaccines are failing because people are getting reinfected is falsifying the truth.

Those anecdotal cases of random cities and countries having "plummeting cases/deaths after using Ivermectin" hide the fact that there's a cocktail of more than 20 drugs being used for COVID-19 patients. Ivermectin is far from being the only game in town when things go south for an COVID-19 patient. And that's when you ignore the fact that there's no way you can prove Ivermectin is working in those cases, because the claim is Ivermectin only works in the initial and very mild cases - well, most people get better from those cases, so there's no way to tell those were due to Ivermectin. The only way you can visually infer reduced deaths is from the mortality rate from the grave cases, not the mild ones - and those may well be due to experience gained from the medical staff, better treatments for grave cases, more ventilators available relatively etc. etc.

Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 20:10 utc | 52

@ Posted by: Abe | Jul 8 2021 20:01 utc | 57

They do. Not 100%, but they do.

Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 20:11 utc | 53

The Space Race: Technical Facts vs Popular Narrative

A little while ago, commenter Karlof1 asked me about the space race, the Apollo Program, and the role of Nazi scientists recruited under Operation Paperclip.

This is a fascinating subject that has also been severely distorted by the American narrative.

What prompted Karlof's query was my earlier, and somewhat lengthy technical discussion of today's state of space technology, where the media narrative is that the US is greatly advanced, due mostly the 'exploits' of SpaceX---when in fact the situation is quite the opposite.

The US is far behind important core technologies like advanced rocket engines and space station tech, both of which it acquired from Russia. China has similarly acquired nearly all of its core space technology from Russia, but has built impressively on that technology transfer---including developing its very own space station tech, and its own advanced rocket engines.

During the 1990s, many important Russian industries were on the verge of collapse due to the disintegration of the USSR. Hence there was something of a firesale of Russian space tech, something that would have been considered unthinkable previously. The Chinese acquired their entire manned program, Shenzhou, lock, stock and barrel through direct technology transfer from Russia, resulting in the first Chinese man in space in 2003.

The US similarly bought its way into the Mir2 space station that was already built, but not yet launched, abandoning its own effort to build an indigenous station to rival Mir---the Freedom space station that was killed on the drawing board. Those Mir2 modules, now known as the Russian Orbital Segment, would become the functional core of the ISS.

The US also acquired advanced Russian engines and key engine technologies, mostly the RD180, which is in fact the undisputed workhorse for both high profile Nasa missions [such as the current mars rover mission], and the US Space Force, which launches nearly all of its mission-critical payloads on the Russian engines.

Other Russian engines, including the RD190 and even the 1960s era mothballed NK33s were also bought up and pressed into service by the US. That the Russians possessed this advanced engine technology was completely unknown in the west until the 1990s, which had regarded the 'closed-cycle' technology as technically 'impossible.'

So let's take a look back to the 1950s, when spaceflight was first achieved. This was an exciting era, and there is much to discuss here, so I will leave the Apollo story for another time.

By the latter stages of Word War 2, the Germans were the undisputed leaders in rocket technology. The V2 rocket, which was used to bombard London, was a hugely impressive piece of engineering for the time.

Russia, whose rocket technology in the 1930s was considered comparable to the Germans, had fallen behind. But the country did develop smaller, albeit usable rocket engines, for instance the experimental Bereznyak-Isayev BI1 interceptor aircraft. The US really had no rocket engine technology to speak of during this era.

But the US would import most of the German rocket engineers, as well as some working copies of the V2 itself. This would provide a strong base to build on, not just for the space race a decade later, but also the far more important race for strategic weapons, namely the intercontinental ballistic missile.

A quick tale of the tape on the V2: It had a mass of 12.5 metric tons, and a thrust of about 25 tons, from a single engine burning alcohol and liquid oxygen. It could reach a speed of 3,500 mph, and a flight range of about 300 km. Incredibly, over 3,000 of these were built during the war!

Von Braun and over 100 key V-2 personnel surrendered to the Americans, and many of the original V-2 team ended up working at the Redstone Arsenal. The US also captured enough V-2 hardware to build approximately 80 of the missiles.

The Soviets captured the V2 manufacturing facilities in Eastern Germany and used some of the remaining German engineers and technicians to build 30 V2s of their own by 1946.

The following year, a group of these engineers were transferred to Russia to work under the direction of Sergei Korolev, on the R1 missile, a copy of the V2, but built using Russian industrial plants.

This was quickly followed by the substantially improved R2, which first flew in 1949, and featured a number of key design improvements. R2 achieved double the V2's range, and a much higher speed of nearly 5,000 mph.

By 1953, the Russians started on what would become the world's first ICBM and also the world's first space launch vehicle---the R7 'Semyorka' rocket.

This was a huge leap forward in rocket technology. The R7 first flew in 1957 and launched Sputnik, the first satellite in earth orbit, later that year. It was also the launch vehicle for the first TWO humans in space, Yuri Gagarin in April, 1961 and Gherman Titov in August of the same year.

In the meantime, the US launched its first 'astronaut,' Alan Shepard on a suborbital 'spaceflight' atop a Mercury-Redstone rocket that was basically a slightly improved V2, comparable to the Russian R2 of a decade earlier.

In this photo from 1961, we see the Mercury-Redstone rocket that carried Shepard on America's first 'spaceflight' [more on that in a moment]. Joachim Kuettner, the Mercury project manager, and former V2 engineer is seen at left. 'Astronaut' Gus Grissom is sixth from left.

The size difference between the Mercury Rocket and the Russian Semyorka is obvious. With a mass of 30 tons, it was barely one tenth the mass of the R7. The latter's thrust of over one million pounds was more than TWELVE times the power of the single engine Mercury rocket with its 78,000 pounds of thrust!

Crucially, the single-stage Mercury could only reach a speed of about 5,000 mph, less than one third of orbital velocity of 18,000 mph [8 km/s].

A little basic physics to explain what 'space flight' really means. In short, it means achieving orbit, which is a function of SPEED, not altitude.

To understand this, a spacecraft must generate enough centrifugal force to overcome the earth's gravitational pull. When the spacecraft's centrifugal force is exactly equal to the earth's gravity, the spacecraft will continue orbiting the earth indefinitely, just as the space station stays aloft [provided it is high enough above the atmosphere that collisions with few and far between air molecules don't slow down its speed, which will cause it to descend, and require an engine burn to speed back up].

A good way to visualize this equilibrium of forces is with the Olympic hammer throw. As seen here, the athlete swings a metal ball attached to a length of cable he is holding. As he swings it around, the centrifugal force builds up and wants to hurl that ball off into space. But the cable is like the force of gravity keeping it from spinning off. The two forces are in exact equilibrium, until he lets go.

The only difference with an orbiting spacecraft is that the earth's gravity never lets go! Once equilibrium is reached the two opposing forces are equal and opposite, as per Netwon's Third Law. And since centrifugal force is a function of speed, it is necessary to reach a speed of about 8 km/s [18,000 mph] to counter the earth's gravitational acceleration of 9.8 meters per second squared.

[Here is the math: centrifugal force = mass x velocity squared, divided by radius of the circular motion. Since the radius of the earth is about 6,400 km, and we assume a unit mass of 1 kg, then it is a simple matter of algebra to solve for speed: square root of (earth's radius in meters x acceleration of gravity), which gives...square root of (6,400,000 m x 9.8 m/s^2) = 7,900 m/s, or ~8 km/s]

I am dwelling on this because it is important to understand what actual spaceflight means. Simply flying to any given height above the atmosphere is not spaceflight---anymore than a ski jump is 'flying.'

Similarly, feeling weightlessness also does not require actual spaceflight. Astronauts regularly train on large commercial jets that have had their interiors removed and the pilots fly the airplane in a ballistic arc that provides up to several minutes of zero g flight inside the cabin training space. In fact, you can have several seconds of zero g flight in a little Cessna student training aircraft!

So let's continue with the relevant stats for the first American 'spaceflight' of Alan Shepard. His 1961 flight aboard that Mercury rocket [a souped up V2] covered a total distance of 263 miles over the ground! While staying aloft for a grand total of 15 minutes!

Now compare that to Gagarin and Titov's real spaceflights, Gagarin making a complete orbit of the earth in about 90 minutes, which is 25,000 miles, almost one hundred times greater than Shepard's distance flown. Titov Orbited the earth 17 times in 25 hours aloft just a few months after Gagarin---covering a distance of 425,000 miles!

Obviously the US has been willfully deceiving folks about what spaceflight means for all of these decades.

And they have been doing it because they desperately wanted to show they could 'match' the Russians by sending a man into 'space.'

And the reason they could get away with this is because they knew that the majority of folks simply don't have any knowledge of physics.

It is a cynical charade that plays upon the public's lack of understanding!

It was only John Glenn's 1962 flight aboard a much more capable rocket, the Atlas, which put the first American in space. He flew three orbits, covering a distance of 75,000 miles in about four hours aloft.

This was in fact an incredibly daring feat, considering the shortcomings of the early Atlas rockets. This was also the first US ICBM. It was far less capable in both mass and thrust than the Soviet R7, and could only carry a fraction of the latter's payload. More importantly, it was prone to spectacular explosions.

After watching an Atlas ICBM explode shortly after launch, Mercury astronaut Gus Grissom remarked "Are we really going to get on top of one of those things?"

The numerous failures led to Atlas being dubbed an "Inter County Ballistic Missile" by missile technicians...

An 'inter-county' ballistic missile? Why not?...considering the first American 'astronaut' Shepard made an inter-county 'spaceflight.'

But hats off to John Glenn, who showed remarkable grit to fly one of these things at this stage in the game, where the Americans were clearly desperate to keep up. Glenn flew into orbit again at age 77, aboard the Shuttle STS95 mission.

What is clear to this point in time is that both the Russians and US piggybacked off the German V2 technology. The big difference in results was due to the Russians having their own, indigenous rocket capabilities that were not that far behind Germany.

The impressive Soviet buildup of higher education was perhaps the key, which built greatly on top of already world-leading institutions like the Bauman Moscow State Technical University, which pioneered the use of deep practical education in concert with industry, alongside the classroom theory. This influence was in fact adopted back in the latter 19'th century by MIT and other American technical universities.

During the Stalin era, 'Baumanka' founded more than 70 technical universities in the USSR. Among them some of the more storied names in specialist fields like rocketry, aviation [TSAGI] and many more.

I will leave the story at this point, but perhaps some interesting and hitherto unfamiliar aspects of the early space race have been presented.

There is still much more ground to cover before we get to the moon race, but it is worth noting that the R7 Semyorka evolved into the Soyuz launch vehicles, which have made nearly 2,000 spaceflights to date and are still carrying cosmonauts and astronauts to the space station.

There are many interesting technical details here, as the engines on the Semyorka-Soyuz are remarkably similar to the original V2. The Russians simply refined this basic engine technology and literally perfected it. However, the advanced closed-cycle engines would come along later, for larger and more demanding launches.

By comparison, the US space program was far more discontinuous. Neither the V2 nor the early Atlas technology was ever refined or taken to its logial evolutionary limit. The same was true for the Saturn V of the Apollo program, which was abandoned after just 13 flights. And so on down the line.

There is still lots of very interesting technical discussion engines to explore. And engines are of course the heart of any spacecraft---in the same way a turbojet engine is the beating heart of an aircraft.


Posted by: Gordog | Jul 8 2021 20:39 utc | 54

@vk: Please come back to this Thread tomorrow. There are two very recent papers showing the complete uselessness in attempts to treat Covid-19. I will link to them tomorrow. Too late here now.
It's allways better to argue with hard facts.

Posted by: Cemi | Jul 8 2021 20:44 utc | 55

@ sol..you've been on the attack since your first post @ 15.... maybe give it a break and listen to your own words @ 77..

Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 20:53 utc | 56

Dear B,

Pls get rid of Afgun and Sol's idiocies and stop these trolls from clogging up this Open Thread. This comment can be deleted as well.

Thanks, Jen.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 57

Indeed James, you are right....in the heat of things I said some things I shouldn't have.

Posted by: Sol | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 58

3 significant events that USonians know nothing or almost nothing about:
1) the impact of masks and social distancing on seasonal flu and flu-like illnesses in the N Hemisphere
2) China's elimination of malaria
3) USM getting its ass kicked once again by peasants, in Afghanistan

USG promoting the general welfare much? i think the USG getting the shit stomped out of it once again is cause for celebration. it's not. Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, et al have suffered the same or similar fates. suffering being the huge word.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 59

@61 vk

I heard first hand from a doctor in a hospital that the medical doctors had no effective methods of stopping Covid cases which progressed to serious or critical levels in a patient. Basically, at a certain point the patient's body was on its own.

This was about six months ago and I've not heard anything to suggest this has changed.

Therefore I'm inclined to agree with your take on vaccines on the whole, but I do think the vaccine solution is going to lead to Covid vaccines annually for eternity, i.e. the mandatory flu shot that corporations have been pushing aggressively for my entire life.

I'm really torn about the whole mess, but at some point I think this on again/off again soft lockdown should be rejected unless there is a real fiscal policy attached to preserve livelihoods and pay essential workers double.

Wealthy elite must be made to lose money in the crisis and not profit to ensure the response to the problem is honest. Right now the crisis is not going to waste for the elites and I see a very drawn out ending in their favor barring any bonafide political resistance.

Posted by: Rutherford82 | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 60

@ james (#12)

Michael Hudson and Radhika Desai both have strong Marxism biases. Their description of the financial system is based on those biases and doesn’t question its FRAUDS & crimes. Michael is at Levy Institute and based on its board, who controls it? How many are lackeys of the Global Financial Syndicate? Michael and Radhika hide the criminals that have been driving the fraudulent financial system and capturing countries to turn them into their suzerainties for centuries.

The history and mechanism of the fraud is shared in a better way in Starikov’s book, “Rouble Nationalization – the Way to Russia's Freedom.” Michael and Radhika are not creative problem solvers (PRACTITIONERS), but just theoreticians with strong biases. A few questions will just expose the reality and get to the crux of matter.
– Who is the issuer of the money that you’re using to trade and save in? A government or a private entity?
– If your nation is using private money then it is a private plantation. Whose Empire is it serving?
– Why the usage of public’s credit for private gains in a nation?

How many articles need to be published to expose REALITY?

The Non-$ Bloc need to define protocols like TCP/IP standards for payment processing to link their various payment networks to succeed. If they create their separate payment system then they will lose to the Financial Empire, which will be happy to create fragmented currency zones.

“The study of money, above all over fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it.”
– John K. Galbraith

Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 21:00 utc | 61

@ Jen | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 79

Our discussion might very well sound stupid to rational minds and in the sane world, but that is the history of that country.

Despite agreeing with the fact that its super stupid, I dont want it to be deleted.....because for those interested they get a peek into Afghan history and the coming civil war.

Posted by: Afgun | Jul 8 2021 21:10 utc | 62

@ 83 max.. thanks for your comments.. i agree with the quote from john k galbraith at the end... regarding my viewpoint and understanding - which is subject to change) the country i live in - the money is controlled by the country... however there are some caveats to this... our country is part of the imf system and other systems that we don't seem to have any control over... we are also borrowing money from private sources, as opposed to printing it freely ourselves. so in a way what you say is true.. we are not in control of all the aspects to this that we need to be.. i liken it to a car that has been hijacked... it looks like it is still our car, but we don't get to drive it.. something like that...

i don't agree with your characterization of the two authors of that article that karlof1 kindly shared the other day.. i am familiar with the paper you've linked to.. it was turned into a book, but i can't remember now - going on memory - it was very expensive and hard to get a hard copy, in the form of a book.. i have read sections of it, but again on memory - it is a 400 or more page book... yes, i could read it online, but i spend too much time online for work related stuff as it is and the last thing i want to do is read a book online... thanks for your post...

Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 21:23 utc | 63


This racist duet by two allegedly afghans monopolizing the thread in a very displeasant way seems to be a deliberate move to shift our more gentle barflies' opinion on the characteristics of the habitants of Afghanistan,so as to make us believe it is a very racist society.Like they want us to persuade that some national-felt union between all the tribes and people of this very special country would be impossible.

The retreat-defeat of the USA is in needs of new narrative.Don't be fooled by the hasbara trolling.

Posted by: willie | Jul 8 2021 21:38 utc | 64

@willie | Jul 8 2021 21:38 utc | 86
Well said and I'm ashamed now in contributing to this thread in a negative manner, your point has been taken.

Posted by: Sol | Jul 8 2021 21:49 utc | 65

Mandatory vaccinations and the vaccination of children with vaccines that are still in clinical trials are crimes against humanity.

I know I’m repeating myself

Posted by: DG | Jul 8 2021 21:50 utc | 66

I think some posters here have not understood the implications of the information about Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) for the Covid-19 vaccines even though this is available and has been posted on numerous sites (including this one).

The ARR is the difference between attack rates WITH AND WITHOUT A VACCINE. ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than Relative Risk Reductions (RRR).

Here are the ARR for a number of popular vaccines:

● 1·3% for AstraZeneca–Oxford

● 1·2% for Moderna,

● 1·2% for Johnson & Johnson

● 0·93% for Gamaleya (Sputnik V)

● 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech

These results were obtained in ideal conditions for the Pharmaceutical companies, where the tests were carried out by the companies themselves and the control group in the tests were given an alternative (non-Covid) vaccine with known side effects (i.e. it would produce reportable side effects) rather than a placebo, and are only referring to a reduction of symptoms (not deaths). What these results mean is that the benefits of taking any of these Covid-19 vaccines are marginal, to say the least.

Given that the vaccines are experimental, are not really vaccines but novel gene therapy (Adenovivirus vaccines have been used in the recent past but with fairly questionable results and mod-mRNA vaccines are entirely new), have not completed the normal testing regime for vaccines, that the medium to long term risks are unknown, and that the short term risks appear to have been completed missed by the testing regime then, I would say that it is a virtual certainty that the Covid-19 vaccines will kill far more people than they save.

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 8 2021 22:00 utc | 67

perhaps small potatoes in the grand scheme, but the amount of money spent on ngo's in Afghanistan as part of the PR budget for the "rape Afghanistan" op... what was the last year that an ngo even had an office in Kabul, much less actually doing one damn thing in Afghanistan? 2010? 2008? untold billions have been spent since then.

the same story could be told of Haiti. India. et ubique. the function of a "teacher" is to obfuscate who the enemy is. esp w/their odious "charity".

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 8 2021 22:04 utc | 68

DG @88

"Mandatory vaccinations and the vaccination of children with vaccines that are still in clinical trials are crimes against humanity.

"I know I’m repeating myself"

Keep on repeating it - it will be a crime for which I cannot see any redemption (for those that perpetrate it, for those that advocate, for those that allow it and for those that fail to prevent it).

Children and young people have no need for the vaccine (actually experimental gene therapy) - we all need to object before it's too late.

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 8 2021 22:10 utc | 69

Gordog @72--

BRAVO!!!

Thanks for that very well done yet terse overview of how German tech and technicians were employed at the beginning of the Space Race. The deception practiced by the Outlaw US Empire on its public provides a useful benchmark as a great deal of deception and actual warfare had already been waged by the government on the public as this recap published today reminds us. Rockets are also used as artillery and dubbed missiles when attached to an airplane. Indeed, the terminology seems to deem rockets as peaceful and missiles warlike, which is rather strange. As one might imagine given Russia's superior ability in rocket design, it's also ahead of the game when it comes to military applications.

Thanks to Gordog, we can appreciate the huge bind JFK placed NASA and the entire engineering complex within the Outlaw US Empire when he issued the challenge to land a man on the moon before the 1960s decade was over since it was so far behind. But pressure was also put on the USSR. I'll let Gordog take the story from here, but I will say that both sides had their triumphs and tragedies. Yet, the big issue that was in play at the beginning--the Outlaw US Empire's lack of engineers and proper university facilities and lack of scientific ethos--remains the same today as Russia takes higher technical and scientific education extremely seriously as Putin's involvement with this years Bolshaya Peremena contest attests--Big Change:

"The key goal of the competition is to enable each teenager to reveal their unique abilities. The main criterion of selection will not be the assessment of academic performance, but the availability of skills that will be useful to schoolchildren in the modern world, including the ability to communicate and find non-standard solutions in difficult situations."

IMO, it's very instructive for our understanding as to why this big difference in educational outcomes to read what Putin said to Russia's schoolkids this year:

"Today, we will definitely talk about your projects and achievements, but, first of all, I believe it is necessary to greet, in your person, schoolchildren of all ages, as well as college students who have made an important adult decision for themselves, which is to participate in the Bolshaya Peremena contest, and that is 2.5 million young Russians from all regions of our country, large cities and small towns alike.

"Bolshaya Peremena is there to help you show what you are made of, your abilities and talents, which I am sure every child and every teenager has. The contest motto very accurately conveys its unparalleled nature and its special attitude towards children: here, they do not assess, but appreciate your outside-the-box ideas that occasionally catch people off guard.

"It is not accidental that you were asked to design the school of the future as part of the contest, to describe what it should look like 10 years from now or even in the middle of the 21st century. Our country needs these groundbreaking proposals in order to be able to move forward, so that really big changes could take place in technology, scientific research and our cities and towns.

"Russia offers a vast number of opportunities for you. And I am confident that the contest allowed you to get to know your homeland better as you went on virtual tours of our famous museums and cities with their monuments and achievements. The children with the most outstanding projects, the winners of the finals of the Bolshaya Peremena contest, will take a trip across our country by train from Moscow to Vladivostok. They will see the Ural Mountains, Lake Baikal and the Vostochny Cosmodrome, which is part of our plans for studying and exploring outer space, including deep space.

"Of course, we must move forward relying on the most important human values. That is why it is so important that many of you, from a very young age, work as volunteers and, of your own accord, without any prompting from anyone, help the elderly, take care of animals, preserve nature, and study the history and culture of your native land. Your responsibility and good deeds improve our country’s well-being. Who, if not you, already at school will create and develop Russia, in which you dream to live, work and study?"

IMO, the Outlaw US Empire has no hope of eclipsing those nations soon to pass it because it cannot provide a large suite of basics to its children--not just education, but childcare, healthcare, decent housing, nutritious foods, and stability for their parents, to name some of the most important.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2021 22:13 utc | 70

Max @83--

You just libeled one of the most outstanding research political-economists on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's condemned the guilty longer than you've been living!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Time for you to be ignored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2021 22:17 utc | 71

@ James (#85),

Which money is controlled by the country? If you have read the book thoroughly then one can see what Michael and Radhika have been hiding or ignoring. It has been brought to their attention but they continue to ignore. In fact, one of them acknowledge that reality about suzerainties!

The fact that majority (90+%) of the U$ dollar are created by private banks, it is private money. Our nation (U$A) never cared about the UN’s international laws and neither does it care about the IMF rules. It violated all those rules when it ended the Breton Woods system. Its historical conduct clearly exposes reality and it can’t be masked. The good news is that the system is out of luck and is being exposed!

It was good to see Vladimir Putin being candid and acknowledge in his press conference that Russia is working towards its “economic sovereignty.” The Monetary FRAUD has been exposed and the Empire & U$A’s administration has zero CREDIBILITY.

People can waste their time in trivial issues to obfuscate global reality. Time will tell...

Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 22:17 utc | 72


Steve Bell using his "freedom" to good effect.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2021/jul/08/steve-bell-on-uk-troops-coming-home-from-afghanistan-cartoon


All the pieces are being moved into place for something terrible.

Oh, and as for "transparency".....


"The Palace" is moving to Defcon 4 in the public opinion war

https://archive.fo/VzzXQ

Coronation Street rolls out red carpet for Queen to mark 60 years


Sample:

“It’s marvellous that you’ve been able carry on during this pandemic,” the Queen said on meeting cast members including Barbara Knox who plays Rita Tanner, Sue Nicholls who plays Audrey Roberts, and Helen Worth who plays Gail Platt.

“Ma’am, you’re the one that’s carried on,” replied William Roache, who holds the record as the world’s longest-serving soap star having played the role of Ken Barlow since the first episode


Heh heh heh. This is the Guardian, by the way

Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 8 2021 22:28 utc | 73

jo6pac #18

China strikes back at Amerika.

https://asiatimes.com/2021/07/china-to-us-two-can-play-at-technological-war/

This won't end well for Amerika.

And C1ue #13

... Biden has proposed a $50B incentive program to kick start the US semiconductor industry. But how much will really be "American"? TSMC has announced a $12B fab in Arizona - so $50B would pay for maybe 3 new chip fabs at best.

The Asia Times report that jo6pac links has an ending that should exercise the mind of small men like Biden:

Starting in late 2019, China started hiring chip fabrication engineers from Taiwan, now the world’s leader in semiconductor manufacturing. By some accounts, the mainland lured away between 10% and 20% of Taiwan’s engineering force with exorbitant salaries.

Earlier this month, President Xi appointed his Harvard-educated Vice Premier Liu He to head an “all-country” effort to achieve semiconductor independence. China’s high-tech investment program has a budget of about $1 trillion.

It is only a question of time and misdirected capital. I get the impression that the thieving jackals are more active in the USAi than in China and so more of China's investment will be applied to the intended chip development industry.

Biden $50 Billion
China $1 Trillion

qed

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2021 22:44 utc | 74

@ karlof1 (#93),

Question everything...

In 1912, how many critics of the financial system were captured by the financial oligarchy and used to get the Federal Reserve Act passed in 1913? What were some of the tactics used?

What tactics are used by the international financial oligarchy to capture the most influential critics and to exploit & neutralize them? Here is a good article exposing that reality. Was Michael Hudson involved with INET? They took down the list of economists that they were using once people started exposing them. They are working with many critics of the existing financial system to fool the populace. What alternate system they want to control again?

Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 22:50 utc | 75

karlof1 #93


Max @83--

You just libeled one of the most outstanding research political-economists on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's condemned the guilty longer than you've been living!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Time for you to be ignored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you karlof1, I'll drink to that and shout you one too to settle the blood pressure ;))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2021 22:54 utc | 76

ADKC

Thank you for your posts on childhood vax insanity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2021 22:55 utc | 77

Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 17:52 utc | 27

*yawn* Get some interference RNA, problem solved. Let's not act like we can't biohack them back.

Posted by: Krungle | Jul 8 2021 23:06 utc | 78

Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 17:43 utc | 25

impressive posting Max.
thank you

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 8 2021 23:11 utc | 79

A damn interesting interview with Adam Curtis (latest doc "Can’t Get You Out of

My Head") in counterpunch here Yeah, yeah I know we hate CP cos it

publishes a few articles by dems to pay the rent, nevertheless it is a site that

publishes enervating stuff as well.

Coupla quotes from Curtis i/v:


RN: Your new film series – Can’t Get You Out of My Head – seems to contradict

some of the arguments you made in previous series, for example, the notion that

computers and the internet have taken over our lives.

AC: I think the problem you have with me is that there isn’t any consistency. I’m

a journalist who changes responses on the stuff I find out. You see my point.

Whereas, if I were a political writer or a polemicist, I’d be arguing one point.

snip

AC: Yeah. The problem with a lot of liberal thought at the moment is that it’s

desperately trying to stay consistent in the face of a change in reality out

there, above all, a changing attitude among working-class people. And they can’t

deal with that. And in that sense they are trying to enforce a very brittle

consistency in their thinking.

RN: Wouldn’t you attribute that to this enormous class divide? Here, in America,

we elide any notion of class. We don’t talk about social class in this country.

You do a little more in England. We don’t talk about class in America. We don’t

say working-class, we always say middle-class.

AC: But, hang on, if you read The New York Times between the years 2016 to 2020,

they’re continually talking about class. They’re continually talking about class;

they’re talking about the class that voted for Trump and that class tended to be

working-class people. But it’s quite obvious by the way they write that’s what

they’re talking about: that these people are stupid – which is very reminiscent

of the way the middle-class used to talk about the working-class in the 19th

century. Very similar.

RN: Yes, that condescension and incomprehension.

snip

RN: Do you think we’re at the end of the Enlightenment era, that the

Enlightenment has failed?

AC: No. You’ve got a class who believed they were part of the Enlightenment – the

liberal middle classes – who have been shocked in my country and your country by

Brexit and by Trump and still haven’t recovered from it. And instead of actually

turning around and facing themselves, they’re making great claims about the end

of democracy and the end of Enlightenment. I mean, talk about narcissism. The

idea, that at this very moment, when things are going a little bad for them – and

the working-classes whom they thought loved them – have turned around and bitten

them in the ass. The idea that that’s the end of the Enlightenment and the end of

democracy is sheer narcissistic arrogance. It’s what you’re feeling at the moment

and it’s a class that’s losing power. It’s losing its grip and no one really

cares about them any longer. No one cares about The New York Review of Books,

they really don’t. A lot of people don’t read novels any longer. Shock! But that

doesn’t mean it’s the end of the Enlightenment. It really doesn’t. There’s a

hysteria around it now.

For those of us who prefer a good cogitate the i/v provokes pretty much the same

response as Curtis' docos, much to consider.

Suprisingly he is not exactly dissmissive, but deprecating about his work - says

it's dependence on taking samples of times past, isn't great. Curtis said "And

maybe part of the problem is this endless cycling of the past. People like me do

or the band I’ve worked with, Massive Attack: they came up with what’s called

sampling. It was good in its time because it was a way of reconfiguring what we

lived through. But maybe it has become a terrible throttle hold instead of

actually going out and finding out what’s new."

A more interesting and reflective chap than I imagined he was.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 8 2021 23:14 utc | 80

Lavrov delivers a lecture:

"Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s address on Russia’s International Activities for Russian Regions’ Development, delivered at Far Eastern Federal University (FEFU), and answers to questions from students and faculty, Vladivostok, July 8, 2021"

Let's read a bit of Professor Lavrov's address:

"Thank you for the opportunity to speak here. I have returned from a short Asian tour, during which I visited Indonesia and Laos. We also held a meeting of the Russian and ASEAN foreign ministers in a hybrid format. What we do during our foreign trips and talks with our foreign partners is not done for its own sake. We do it to implement our foreign policy, which was approved by the President of Russia in the Foreign Policy Concept adopted in 2016. Its main goal is to create the most favourable conditions for ensuring the country’s security and consistent development, for improving the wellbeing of our citizens and protecting their rights during international trips. This also applies to the rights of Russian business people.

"Here you can see especially clearly that Russia is not only a Eurasian but also a Euro-Pacific power. It is historically predetermined that we must pursue a multipronged foreign policy, building good-neighbourly and mutually beneficial relations in all parts of the world, including with the countries of Asia Pacific, which is the current and, as academics predict, future driver of the global economy for many years ahead. It is for a reason that stiff competition is gathering momentum in the Asia Pacific Region among the leading world powers for the ability to influences the processes underway here....

"The world is becoming globalised, which is connecting our country’s development ever closer with our foreign policy. The more successful our policy of strengthening Russia’s economic and, overall, national independence, the more confidently will we be able to act on the international stage and to make more effective use of the advantages of interaction with our foreign partners. There is a direct interconnection that can ensure our efficiency, provided we act honestly and professionally.

"Not all countries are happy with Russia’s development along the path that has been outlined and is being implemented. It is not to everyone’s liking that we have overcome and left behind us the difficulties of the freewheeling 1990s and are dealing effectively with the problems that have accumulated over many years, if not decades. By doing this at home, we are simultaneously strengthening our international standing.

"Our greatest achievement is maintaining civil peace, consolidating society on the basis of our nation’s moral values, respect for the memory of our forefathers and their heroic feats in defence of our country’s freedom and independence, and educating our young people in the spirit of the continuity of generations." [My Emphasis]

That's quite a number of revelations in just a few paragraphs. The importance of the interconnection between domestic and foreign policy is paramount but seems to be lost on the misleaders of the Outlaw US Empire. Lavrov was beyond correct to say it's essential to be honest and act professionally--a big part of which is being honest: Think of the massive oceanic difference in honesty between Lavrov and Pompeo!

The English transcript ends with the first question's answer, both of which were excellent, so I hope it gets completed. And yes, it's as long as a college-level lecture where you're certain to learn more than just a few things. I just looked at the Russian transcript and there're many more Q&As, very good ones IMO.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2021 23:46 utc | 81

Karlof, thanks so much for your comment!

About Max and Michael Hudson...yeah that is pretty bizarre. I can't get enough of the man, and thank the good lord he exists and is still so energetic at age 80 [or perhaps beyond].

He's all over youtube, accepting the invitation of just about every little outfit to come and talk. Bless this man!

And btw, thanks for your heads-up about the Valdai paper as well as Prof Hudson's new chapter for his book on previous threads. I read absolutely everything from him!

Yes, Max's comment here is shocking to say the least. But I have been reading his comments, and he does seem to have the basics correct---although he probably doesn't yet realize that there may still be a lot more to learn. As Alexander Pope said so memorably, a little learning is a dangerous thing.

I'm cutting him some slack on the MH comment since I want to see what interesting things he may come up with going forward. The salt shaker is standing by, lol!

Yes, I read the Lee Camp piece too---the man is very funny, and has a very well-working conscience. to me it's obvious that the US is by far the very biggest LIAR in the history of the world. The Nazis didn't even come close!

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 8 2021 23:52 utc | 82

Afgun #84

Our discussion might very well sound stupid to rational minds and in the sane world, but that is the history of that country.

Despite agreeing with the fact that its super stupid, I dont want it to be deleted.....because for those interested they get a peek into Afghan history and the coming civil war.

That's all very well but instead of you and Sol exchanging blows, please provide links or references to material that will lead barflies to a considered analysis of the factional/clan terrain that lies within the Afghan nation.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2021 0:03 utc | 83

Posted by: Afgun | Jul 8 2021 23:48 utc | 104


Pashtuns killed 87 little Hazara girls by blowing up their school, they attacked (a first for humanity) a maternity ward and killed new borns as young as few minutes and mothers in the process of giving birth....

Is there any evidence for this?
The Taliban denied responsibility.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 9 2021 0:13 utc | 84

Debisdead #102

The most interesting idea that Adam Curtis ever had (and his only original idea that really holds up) was the observation that the PTB recognised that computers failed to deliver on their original promise because they were insufficiently flexible for human beings and, as a result, the PTB realised they needed to make humans more like computers.

All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace

It is not true that anyone stated that Trump or Brexit was the end of enlightenment - this is is just retrospective imaginings. The charge levelled (over and over again) was that those who voted for Brexit and Trump were racist and stupid and wished for bad things to happen (loss of jobs, more expense) to punish those who did not vote in the way they were supposed to. There was no sense of ceding power to Brexitors or Trumpers so there was no sense of the "end of the enlightenment".

It is obvious that those making these charges were displaying a mindest that was "unenlightened" and while accepting this led to a period that might be called "the end of enlightenment" this was not foreseen. The accusers had no insight into their own behaviour and since they viewed themselves as the ruling class and the embodiment of enlightenment they were hardly likely to concede they they had lost their position in society or that their "enlighment" was at an end. And they had no idea that they may well be the handmaidens of the "end of enlightenment" and they still don't.

The idea of the "end of enlightenment" only really came into use with regard to the abandonment of the scientific method with regard to Covid-19 and the vaccines - and was not made by the "liberal middle class" BUT BY A GROUP OF SCIENTISTS WHO FIND THEMSELVES MARGINLALISED, THEIR WORK AND OPINIONS IGNORED AND DISMISSED AND WHO ARE SHOCKED AT THE ABANDONMENT OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. This seems the obvious outcome of Curtis' idea of "making humans more like computers" but Curtis is unable to see this (as are you).

---oOo---

To me, this (in-)famous poem, whilst undeniably seductive, describes a fascist nightmare that imagines happiness as the end of human agency. Implicit is that decisions, about when you are born and when you will die, will be made for you... and you will be happy!

---oOo---

All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace
(by Richard Brautigan)

I like to think (and
the sooner the better!)
of a cybernetic meadow
where mammals and computers
live together in mutually
programming harmony
like pure water
touching clear sky.

I like to think
        (right now, please!)
of a cybernetic forest
filled with pines and electronics
where deer stroll peacefully
past computers
as if they were flowers
with spinning blossoms.

I like to think
        (it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace.

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 9 2021 0:45 utc | 85

karlof1 and Gardog

I can't see what is so objectionable about Max's statement with regard to Michael Hudson. Hudson is able to call out the "guilty" because he worked with them, designing and enabling their system of fraud.

I find much of what Hudson says to be very interesting and enlightening and while I can cut him a bit of slack because of his revelations he is also one of the "guilty", is he not?

Hudson's only defence is that he was employed and doing what he was told to do, he was "following orders". Well, that's the defence nearly every one of the "guilty" can claim. And surely it's long been established that doing what you're told, "following orders", is no defence at all.

Posted by: ADKC | Jul 9 2021 0:57 utc | 86

Thank you Gordog @ 72 for providing some background to the 'space race' I among many others were witnessing during high school and college days. That it was a race at the time we all knew, as well as that the US was behind- reporting in those days was a simpler, more professional craft; they actually told the truth a lot of the time.

We knew the technology came from German V2 rocket expertise-- Werner Von Braun was a hero who appeared on many tv shows of that era. And we knew that Neil Armstrong performed the actual orbiting feat, while the Russians' achievements were also being reported, if not actually followed the way we did the US ones.

I don't believe the public was misinformed; that was a different era. And the Russian encouragement of students in Putin's speeches to them as reported by karlof1 remind me of those US student days - some of us classicists were a bit chagrined at the emphasis on science and math, but those were happy and hopeful times nonetheless. Exciting as well, for those of us who could view them on the new medium, tv, which was at the peak of good times for viewing compared to today, and free! Lots of live coverage of liftoffs and splash downs; 'Nova' was a different quality then as well. The science being reported was informative, not the topdown pretence of drama of today - this was interesting stuff! Another world, where the big corporations were still held in check and there actually was a middle class in America. So sad for our young people that didn't last.

Hard to believe, I know, but those were good times. We almost got it right. And second best was okay. It wasn't then a fight for world domination; it was simply a challenge. Today the comparables are Russia and China. The US lost the ball. And we have only ourselves to blame for that.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 0:58 utc | 87

I misspoke, senior moment -- John Glenn of course, who later went into politics. Neil Armstrong was the moon guy.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 1:03 utc | 88

Interesting newly discovered search engine that claims excellent anonymity.

https://lazyweb.ai/

seems to be stand alone and not an addon. Runs fast for complex queries.

also seems to transcend ranking and censorship tools.

They say:
Uses NLP and deep learning classification models to try to understand a query's intent, and then predict the best places to find the answer, and then query them directly in real time via API or spidering, with a ranking system for the results.

Then fall back to traditional web search (including Bing, ContexualWeb and Google) where needed. We have a database of about top 20k websites and we're building our own vertical indexes as well. We're building out a stack using ElasticSearch and GraphQL for that. At the moment we're broad but shallow, with a couple of deeper pools.

For the alpha, major sources include Wikipedia, Wolfram|Alpha, OpenWeatherMaps, OpenStreetMaps, StackOverflow, GitHub and many others, as well as the fallbacks to Bing, Google, DDG Instant Answers etc.

A lot of content is retrieved directly. We retrieve the preview/summary/view content directly from websites where we can for display, and same with the reader content. So the content shown is typically live with the source.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2021 1:25 utc | 89

jayc @20

Clearly the assassinated President had his security removed ahead of the arrival of the "mercenaries".

No firefight as they approached his residence so that is what it looks like. An American has been arrested in the plot. They reportedly spoke English and Spanish. They used DEA uniforms for cover.

What were they tying to hide? Nothing. The message was clearly sent to the rest of the leadership on the island and the whole Caribbean region for that matter.


Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2021 1:27 utc | 90

Juliania, thanks for your kind words! Yes, I agree it was a different time back then. Media honesty was still somewhat of a 'thing,' but I don't think the government lied much less, lol!

ADKC, about Michael Hudson...I strongly disagree with your portrayal of the man as 'one of the guilty.'

He did work on Wall Street as a very young man, going back nearly 60 years [he was something of a prodigy, earning his undergrad degree by age 20]. This practical experience was invaluable to learning how finance actually works.

By 1972 he had already published Super Imperialism, a landmark work that is still as relevant today as the day it was published.

He has been an academic and professor for most of his career, not a huckster, nor any kind of government stooge. His knowledge is deeply insightful and the man is honest as the day is long. [He is 82 now].

Some years ago, when I first started reading his articles I wrote him an email, and was surprised to find a thoughtful reply in my inbox---which led to some very nice exchanges.

That is not the MO of some kind of 'guilty' shyster. Sorry, but you are way off base!

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 9 2021 1:44 utc | 91

Gordog @ 72

The US is far behind important core technologies like advanced rocket engines and space station tech, both of which it acquired from Russia. China has similarly acquired nearly all of its core space technology from Russia, but has built impressively on that technology transfer---including developing its very own space station tech, and its own advanced rocket engines.

All I can offer is my eyewitness account. At a military base in the South early in the morning in the '70's I saw a black teardrop shaped craft with no wings or engine nozzles come in at tree top height completely silent.

The craft had a bubble canopy and in the canopy was a pilot. He was wearing a US flight suit and headgear. I was eyeball to eyeball with him. He turned and look at me and I was looking at him. I could not see his eyeballs per se because of his visor but he was looking at me.

There were no pylons for weapons. I would say is was about the size of a fighter jet in that era. We got some stuff going in the background and have had it for a long time.

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2021 2:05 utc | 92

@ Circumspect # 117:

Of course...there's always that 'alien' technology, LOL.

Yet the US can't even field a supersonic missile, much less hypersonic. 😁

As for your intriguing story, maybe it was a glider? Or a deadstick landing?

As an aeronautical engineer, I know a little about the physics of flight. Sound energy is one of the most difficult to dampen. We don't yet understand how an owl is able to glide so silently!

Or maybe there were some mushrooms involved? 😁

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 9 2021 2:39 utc | 93

Posted by: Afgun | Jul 9 2021 1:43 utc | 115


All suicide bombers that were caught alive or death in the area have been Pashtuns

Fine. But where's the evidence? Investigation?


...because no one else does such things in Afg.

Really ...?


Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 9 2021 3:08 utc | 94

Gordog @ 72

Thank you for that very informative brief history of the beginning of the space race.

I hope I'm not being too forward by asking you if you would mind providing us with a similar expose of the Iranian ballistic program. It seems to me their achievements have been stunning. I don't know if it's true but I've read that they can hit any US base in the ME and the missiles cannot be stopped because they fly low. In his interviews with Oliver Stone, Putin says the US wanted to withdraw from the ABM treaty as far back as Clinton who cited the Iranian program. Maybe it was just an excuse at that time (circa 2000?). It certainly shows that the Iranians have been very persistent and their investments in ballistic engineering are now paying dividends rather handsomely. Surely I'm not the only one wondering how they managed such a technological feat despite isolation by the West.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Jul 9 2021 3:23 utc | 95

Hi Robert.

Yes, the Iranians have actually demonstrated some very serious missile capabilities. This would indeed be worth looking into!

One thing off the top, they are as serious about hard science education as the Soviets were. Iran graduates as many engineers as the US, with one quarter the population, according to Forbes/Statista data.

They are industrializing at a rapid pace, despite all the financial pressure from the US and Europe. Compared to say Turkey, they are light years ahead in serious trchnical capability.

Thanks for your suggedtion!

Posted by: Gordog | Jul 9 2021 3:42 utc | 96

ADKC

Thank you for your posts on childhood vax insanity.

Posted by: Roberto | Jul 9 2021 3:47 utc | 97

Or maybe there were some mushrooms involved? 😁

Maybe a few tabs. I do fear our that we have fallen so far behind our adversaries in war technology. All that technology is centered around the elimination of MAD. I do not like the idea of going to a weenie roast when I am the weenie being roasted by a nuclear oven.

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2021 3:59 utc | 98

@ Gordog (#105 & #116 ) & ADKC (# 109), thanks for your comments.

For the Rulers, the best opposition is a controlled opposition. It is easy to identify opponents, the real challenge is to identify TRAITORS. (Generally, no reference to any person). We need to be vigilant.

“No enemy is worse than bad advice.”
― Sophocles.

Which of Michael Hudson’s cheerleaders think this statement in his article with Radhika, “First, all money is debt,” is correct? Please explain your rationale too. Which nation creates &/or created money as an asset?

The statement in the article is mistaken or misleading. The correct way for an experienced professional is to state, “First, all money is created as debt in the existing financial system.” A better way to state, exposing the fraud is, “First, all money is created as debt in the existing financial system, so bankers can make free money and enslave individuals, businesses and nations.” When one reads the article it gives an impression that “private credit” is legitimate. No, as explained earlier it is “public’s credit for private gains.” This is a fraud and debunks the myth of capitalism too. It is disappointing that Michael Hudson can’t see this FRAUD with so much experience. Why?

When probed about Michael Hudson, one isn’t hearing answers to questions or evidence, but just statements without evidence that he is experienced. Where is the logic & reasoning, so one can revisit their assumptions or hypothesis. People accepted Aristotle’s description of failing bodies for nearly two thousand years (2000 yrs). It is Galileo who changed this perspective. How can people, for thousands of years, believe false assertions that are easily disproved? What can we learn from Galileo, who challenged conventions and dared to view things differently, even when it was unpopular and impolitic?

Here are additional questions with regards to Michael Hudson so one can revisit their assumptions:
– Most of the board members of the Levy Institute think tank come across as Empire’s lackeys. They have personally promoted Empire’s financial propaganda. Do you remember some of them? Why is Michael associated with such a think tank?

– Please share from Michael Hudson’s videos, articles and books, where he clearly states that majority (90+%) of money is created by private banks and the U$A is a captured suzerainty or vassal. Similarly, where does Michael Hudson state that the UK, a global leader in the global currency trading benefits the most from floating currency markets and is a big beneficiary. He hides UK’s frauds and puts all blame on the U$A. As an American I sincerely object to this mischaracterization. Using the Credit Creation theory, Richard Werner clearly describes credit creation as money creation. Why doesn’t Michael? Yes, Michael has described petrodollars, super imperialism, financialization, etc. This is similar to MMT, which describes certain details clearly but doesn’t question bank’s creation of money. One can share an economist from the Bilderberg group who has clearly defined the private money creation problem and has at conferences raised issues about the failing monetary system. However, he doesn’t talk about the monetary imperialism. How will this Bilderberg suggest fixing the system?

– Nelson Aldrich, from the Rockefeller family was involved in the passing of the Federal Reserve Act. Where does Michael share some of the key foundational details of the Fed fraud and who benefited the most? How does he speak about David Rockefeller or JP Morgan Chase?

– What are Michael’s unique insights? Many of his topics have been shared in more details by Russian, Chinese, Swiss, European & German economists and financial traders. They expose the power players. The fraud and its crimes are out in open.

Those who have analyzed Michael’s work thoroughly should have no difficulty in answering these questions. No question about Michael’s professional interactions as I have shared it here previously. Also, many think tank professionals are pleasant to engage with.

There are many important learnings that help in identifying controlled opposition now. If an entity is impactful in debunking establishment’s narratives and exposing reality (lies, myths, deceits, frauds,...), then the ruling system will work to stop them soon. So entities that have survived more than a few years, most likely haven’t made a dent to the ruling system (not effective) or more likely are propaganda outlets. Propaganda narratives include some tidbits of reality.

If you were on the Global Financial Syndicate protection team, knowing the system is failing, what aspects of the existing financial system you would work hard to protect or preserve in some form? Creating money as debt is one of them. Why? What else?

Posted by: Max | Jul 9 2021 4:00 utc | 99

@95 still watching Corrie since 1976 when I used to come home with a head full of thc and adolescent depression after school. I was gonna shoot myself in the head with my dad’s Ruger . 22 pistol but I didn’t because they needed me on bass clarinet in Band and I would have missed Coronation Street. I went to Manchester about 5 years ago to see the street. Corrie is a central pillar in my life.

Posted by: Absurdio | Jul 9 2021 4:08 utc | 100

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