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July 8, 2021
Open Thread 2021-052
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Open thread and the main thing is nothing change or only get worse. Posted by: jo6pac | Jul 8 2021 12:41 utc | 1 Everyone (especially American’s) are very much aware of the issues surrounding 9/11 but there is very much less awareness of the problems with the UK’s 7/7 narrative (not least amongst the British public). This article (a review of Nick Kollerston’s 2019 book “‘Terror on the Tube: Behind the Veil of 7/7”) is a very good summary and makes for very uneasy reading: Posted by: ADKC | Jul 8 2021 13:05 utc | 3 As it looks like, Vodafone Ltd is a strategic future access point for US’ data accumulation, and later investigations of individuals. Posted by: Evoli | Jul 8 2021 13:22 utc | 4 Posted by: arby | Jul 8 2021 12:58 utc | 2 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 8 2021 13:42 utc | 5 Lithuania on Wednesday accused Belarus of flying in migrants from abroad to send to the European Union and said it would build a barrier on the border and deploy troops to prevent them crossing illegally into its territory. Posted by: upstater | Jul 8 2021 14:24 utc | 6
Video: White House Says “STRIKE FORCES” Being Sent To Get Kids Vaccinated Posted by: Down South | Jul 8 2021 14:27 utc | 7 Interesting read on NEO
Washington is Progressively Losing the “Match” it is Playing with Tehran Posted by: Down South | Jul 8 2021 14:32 utc | 8 https://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=2113 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 8 2021 14:58 utc | 9 Desperately looking for a clue on Haiti, but this assassination seems to have caught everyone off guard. Jovenel Moïse was supposedly doing Washington’s bidding, so it seems unlikely they would take him out. There were elections upcoming wherein he was not to be a candidate. There is the question of the constitution which I assume was being designed to not rock any boats either. Cuban leader Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez (former President Aristide is reportedly in Cuba getting medical treatment) tweeted:
Posted by: Maracatu | Jul 8 2021 15:37 utc | 10 a quote from the paper that karlof1 shared yesterday… Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 15:58 utc | 11 Re: US decline in semiconductor manufacturing Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 15:58 utc | 12 US is behind anti-China bloc that smears China COVID-19 vaccination in children – major ethical concerns Posted by: ADKC | Jul 8 2021 16:13 utc | 14 China’s non observance of border agreements ‘disturbed’ foundation of bilateral ties, says Jaishankar Posted by: Antonym | Jul 8 2021 16:17 utc | 15 China strikes back at Amerika. Posted by: jo6pac | Jul 8 2021 16:20 utc | 16 re: Haiti Posted by: jayc | Jul 8 2021 16:44 utc | 18 Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 16:04 utc | 14 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 16:46 utc | 19 Can Turkey hold Kabul Airport? Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 16:50 utc | 20 Putting the above in context: $50B = maybe 3 chip fabs… Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 17:00 utc | 21 Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 16:04 utc | 14 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 17:31 utc | 22 What is national sovereignty? Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 17:43 utc | 23 @Blue Dotterel #24 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 17:48 utc | 24 Full spectrum dominance 100% success. Now they own our bodies. Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 17:52 utc | 25 BoJo’s decision to allow Brits to treat the COVIDsafe Rules as discretionary whilst UK opens Everything, amid a background increase in New Infections, could become UK’s most famous Social Engineering Experiment since Lord Balfour recommended the creation of “Israel”. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 8 2021 18:12 utc | 26 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 17:48 utc | 26 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 18:14 utc | 27 @ Posted by: Kartoschka | Jul 8 2021 18:21 utc | 28 @Blue Dotterel #29 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 18:46 utc | 29 @Kartoschka (Tater man!) #30 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 18:52 utc | 30 @ Afgun 32 Posted by: Atreides | Jul 8 2021 18:55 utc | 31 28 Hoarse… You must have missed Wembley yesterday. 60,000 ppl in the stadium, probably less than 1 mask per 1,000. Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 18:57 utc | 32 c1ue, you say “the virus was also killing not-insignificant numbers of the oligarchy as well” Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 19:01 utc | 33 France will not allow Russian nor Chinese vaccine……certaimly Russia is not at all happy says Zakharova….says some nice choice words. Posted by: Jo | Jul 8 2021 19:19 utc | 34 Posted by: Afgun | Jul 8 2021 18:36 utc | 32 Posted by: MrT | Jul 8 2021 19:20 utc | 35 @ Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 17:52 utc | 27 I had mentioned on the MoA Week in Review below b’s link to an article about Iraq by Akit Papadakis, which when I read the article fed into an article about possible origins of covis by the same author. It no longer does, but I was able to find it in my own history links. Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 19:28 utc | 37 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 8 2021 18:46 utc | 33 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 8 2021 19:34 utc | 39 vk, Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 19:35 utc | 40 link that juliania wants to link to.. i didn’t read it, but might now.. Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 19:36 utc | 41 And my comment @ the MoA Week in Review below is at 115, pertinent paragraph begins “…I will as well mention the earlier article…” Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 19:37 utc | 42 vk, Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 19:38 utc | 43 article from 2015 inside the article i linked to above – Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 19:38 utc | 44 vk @41: Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 19:42 utc | 45 @ mina, Posted by: Rêver | Jul 8 2021 19:45 utc | 46 Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2021 16:04 utc | 14 Posted by: Abe | Jul 8 2021 19:50 utc | 47 Also – Sinopharm is maybe most popular too due to being really safe and without any significant side efects, basically it is go to choice for any risky group (really old/sick people). Which I trust completely cause it uses most proved, traditional way of producing vaccine that is for decades in use. Posted by: Abe | Jul 8 2021 19:53 utc | 48 c1ue @ 33, that is not the only rationale I could see: Suppose an accidental leak at a US lab that, known to a few, accidentally infected US soldiers. Suppose the blame could be put upon China thanks to the military games. Mightn’t have been all planned, just was the best option at the time. And all exculpatory evidence destroyed. Maybe. Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2021 20:00 utc | 49 Also, regarding vaccinating children for goal of achieving herd immunity – correct me if I am wrong, but NO vaccine prevents people from being contagious when they do catch covid. Posted by: Abe | Jul 8 2021 20:01 utc | 50 Not scientifically demonstrated Posted by: Rêver | Jul 8 2021 20:02 utc | 51 @ Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 19:38 utc | 48 The Space Race: Technical Facts vs Popular Narrative
The Soviets captured the V2 manufacturing facilities in Eastern Germany and used some of the remaining German engineers and technicians to build 30 V2s of their own by 1946.
An ‘inter-county’ ballistic missile? Why not?…considering the first American ‘astronaut’ Shepard made an inter-county ‘spaceflight.’ Posted by: Gordog | Jul 8 2021 20:39 utc | 54 @vk: Please come back to this Thread tomorrow. There are two very recent papers showing the complete uselessness in attempts to treat Covid-19. I will link to them tomorrow. Too late here now. Posted by: Cemi | Jul 8 2021 20:44 utc | 55 @ sol..you’ve been on the attack since your first post @ 15…. maybe give it a break and listen to your own words @ 77.. Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 20:53 utc | 56 Dear B, Posted by: Jen | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 57 Indeed James, you are right….in the heat of things I said some things I shouldn’t have. Posted by: Sol | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 58 3 significant events that USonians know nothing or almost nothing about: Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 59 @61 vk Posted by: Rutherford82 | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 60 @ james (#12) Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 21:00 utc | 61 @ Jen | Jul 8 2021 20:55 utc | 79 Posted by: Afgun | Jul 8 2021 21:10 utc | 62 @ 83 max.. thanks for your comments.. i agree with the quote from john k galbraith at the end… regarding my viewpoint and understanding – which is subject to change) the country i live in – the money is controlled by the country… however there are some caveats to this… our country is part of the imf system and other systems that we don’t seem to have any control over… we are also borrowing money from private sources, as opposed to printing it freely ourselves. so in a way what you say is true.. we are not in control of all the aspects to this that we need to be.. i liken it to a car that has been hijacked… it looks like it is still our car, but we don’t get to drive it.. something like that… Posted by: james | Jul 8 2021 21:23 utc | 63 This racist duet by two allegedly afghans monopolizing the thread in a very displeasant way seems to be a deliberate move to shift our more gentle barflies’ opinion on the characteristics of the habitants of Afghanistan,so as to make us believe it is a very racist society.Like they want us to persuade that some national-felt union between all the tribes and people of this very special country would be impossible. Posted by: willie | Jul 8 2021 21:38 utc | 64 @willie | Jul 8 2021 21:38 utc | 86 Posted by: Sol | Jul 8 2021 21:49 utc | 65 Mandatory vaccinations and the vaccination of children with vaccines that are still in clinical trials are crimes against humanity. Posted by: DG | Jul 8 2021 21:50 utc | 66 I think some posters here have not understood the implications of the information about Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) for the Covid-19 vaccines even though this is available and has been posted on numerous sites (including this one). Posted by: ADKC | Jul 8 2021 22:00 utc | 67 perhaps small potatoes in the grand scheme, but the amount of money spent on ngo’s in Afghanistan as part of the PR budget for the “rape Afghanistan” op… what was the last year that an ngo even had an office in Kabul, much less actually doing one damn thing in Afghanistan? 2010? 2008? untold billions have been spent since then. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 8 2021 22:04 utc | 68 DG @88 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 8 2021 22:10 utc | 69 Gordog @72– Max @83– @ James (#85), Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 22:17 utc | 72 Steve Bell using his “freedom” to good effect.
Heh heh heh. This is the Guardian, by the way Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 8 2021 22:28 utc | 73 jo6pac #18
And C1ue #13
The Asia Times report that jo6pac links has an ending that should exercise the mind of small men like Biden:
It is only a question of time and misdirected capital. I get the impression that the thieving jackals are more active in the USAi than in China and so more of China’s investment will be applied to the intended chip development industry. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2021 22:44 utc | 74 @ karlof1 (#93), Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 22:50 utc | 75 karlof1 #93
Thank you karlof1, I’ll drink to that and shout you one too to settle the blood pressure ;)) Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2021 22:54 utc | 76 ADKC Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2021 22:55 utc | 77 Posted by: Mina | Jul 8 2021 17:52 utc | 27 Posted by: Krungle | Jul 8 2021 23:06 utc | 78 Posted by: Max | Jul 8 2021 17:43 utc | 25 Posted by: migueljose | Jul 8 2021 23:11 utc | 79 A damn interesting interview with Adam Curtis (latest doc “Can’t Get You Out of
For those of us who prefer a good cogitate the i/v provokes pretty much the same Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 8 2021 23:14 utc | 80 Lavrov delivers a lecture: Karlof, thanks so much for your comment! Posted by: Gordog | Jul 8 2021 23:52 utc | 82 Afgun #84
That’s all very well but instead of you and Sol exchanging blows, please provide links or references to material that will lead barflies to a considered analysis of the factional/clan terrain that lies within the Afghan nation. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2021 0:03 utc | 83 Posted by: Afgun | Jul 8 2021 23:48 utc | 104
Is there any evidence for this? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 9 2021 0:13 utc | 84 Debisdead #102 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 9 2021 0:45 utc | 85 karlof1 and Gardog Posted by: ADKC | Jul 9 2021 0:57 utc | 86 Thank you Gordog @ 72 for providing some background to the ‘space race’ I among many others were witnessing during high school and college days. That it was a race at the time we all knew, as well as that the US was behind- reporting in those days was a simpler, more professional craft; they actually told the truth a lot of the time. Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 0:58 utc | 87 I misspoke, senior moment — John Glenn of course, who later went into politics. Neil Armstrong was the moon guy. Posted by: juliania | Jul 9 2021 1:03 utc | 88 Interesting newly discovered search engine that claims excellent anonymity. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2021 1:25 utc | 89 jayc @20 Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2021 1:27 utc | 90 Juliania, thanks for your kind words! Yes, I agree it was a different time back then. Media honesty was still somewhat of a ‘thing,’ but I don’t think the government lied much less, lol! Posted by: Gordog | Jul 9 2021 1:44 utc | 91 Gordog @ 72 Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2021 2:05 utc | 92 @ Circumspect # 117: Posted by: Gordog | Jul 9 2021 2:39 utc | 93 Posted by: Afgun | Jul 9 2021 1:43 utc | 115
Fine. But where’s the evidence? Investigation?
Really …? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 9 2021 3:08 utc | 94 Gordog @ 72 Posted by: Robert Macaire | Jul 9 2021 3:23 utc | 95 Hi Robert. Posted by: Gordog | Jul 9 2021 3:42 utc | 96 ADKC Posted by: Roberto | Jul 9 2021 3:47 utc | 97 Or maybe there were some mushrooms involved? 😁 Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2021 3:59 utc | 98 @ Gordog (#105 & #116 ) & ADKC (# 109), thanks for your comments. Posted by: Max | Jul 9 2021 4:00 utc | 99 @95 still watching Corrie since 1976 when I used to come home with a head full of thc and adolescent depression after school. I was gonna shoot myself in the head with my dad’s Ruger . 22 pistol but I didn’t because they needed me on bass clarinet in Band and I would have missed Coronation Street. I went to Manchester about 5 years ago to see the street. Corrie is a central pillar in my life. Posted by: Absurdio | Jul 9 2021 4:08 utc | 100 |
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