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July 1, 2021
Open Thread 2021-050
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Who would have imagined then that Bagram, built by the soviets, would some day be occupied by the USA for 20 years, to leave just like the builders. Posted by: Paco | Jul 2 2021 14:17 utc | 101 look at https://thegrayzone.com and make up your own mind Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 2 2021 14:40 utc | 103 On his press conference with the Bahrein FM Lavrov remarked that ISIS is under control in Irak and Syria but… seems like the yihadi express is running to Afghanistan, and it would not be surprising that the US goes away but leaves behind his selected “freedom fighters”, Stallone could come back and go for Rocky X. Posted by: Paco | Jul 2 2021 14:51 utc | 104 Chairman Mao ‘sees prosperous China’ at gala as 1.4 billion people’s embracing of CPC shocks world The rage in Canada about the treatment of first nations people is long overdue. Catholic churches are being burned and desecrated and statues of the former prime minister McDonald and of Queen Elizabeth are being torn down. But I’m quite sure the statues of Samuel Champlain will be left standing. The founder of Quebec did something the British and Spanish colonizers never did. He befriended the native people and treated them with dignity and respect. He even encouraged French men (but not women) to go and live with the first nations people. Champlain tried hard to keep the Jesuits out of New France and succeeded for a long time, knowing they would be deadly to the natives. Eventually he was worn down by the political power of the catholic church and the threats to withhold financing for the French colony unless the Jesuits were allowed in. There’s a good biography of the founder of Quebec titled “Champlain’s Dream.” The best way for the Canadian government to make amends to the first nations people would be to stop the building of all pipelines on their land. Posted by: Chas | Jul 2 2021 15:32 utc | 106 just getting back to the thread about the heat wave… Posted by: the pair | Jul 2 2021 15:46 utc | 107 @109 “He even encouraged French men (but not women) to go and live with the first nations people.” Posted by: dh | Jul 2 2021 16:08 utc | 108 @ John Cleary (# 91) & Peter AU1 (# 92), Posted by: Max | Jul 2 2021 16:14 utc | 109 Oops… Fixed the link in (#112) Posted by: Max | Jul 2 2021 16:18 utc | 110 John Cleary 95 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 16:40 utc | 111 John Cleary Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 16:52 utc | 112 Hang on, I was wrong in that last sentence. The is actually a law that covers this. The law of force. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 16:56 utc | 113
Well, I’d have thought that was obvious. Perhaps not. Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 2 2021 17:09 utc | 114 John Cleary “The legal basis for Howard’s action was the royal prerogative. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 17:21 utc | 115 This is just from wikipedia but I take it that is is reasonably accurate. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 17:32 utc | 116 @ Peter AU1 (# 119), Posted by: Max | Jul 2 2021 18:00 utc | 117
The TFA is law at the STATE level. Each state (apart from Western Australia and I guess Northern Territory) passed this law during the reign of Queen Victoria.
Are you now saying that Howard invaded Iraq on the say so of the Governor General? And that therefore the Monarch is ceremonial? Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 2 2021 18:02 utc | 118 John Cleary Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 18:25 utc | 120 bye bye and good riddance John. You have shown your colours. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 18:54 utc | 122 @96 Well Justin doesn’t approve of church burning. And he’s had a haircut so watch out… Posted by: dh | Jul 2 2021 20:05 utc | 123 50 years ago
Now, not anymore alone. Posted by: Rêver | Jul 2 2021 20:56 utc | 124 Looks like health care workers have in oz to make the choice between blood clots or Pfizers side effects. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 21:34 utc | 125 Walter @101– In the UK there is some optimism that July 19th will be freedom day: Posted by: ADKC | Jul 2 2021 22:56 utc | 127 Mint Press’s Alan MacLeod has a long and hard hitting take down of Saagar Enjeti, Krystal Ball’s side kick and right wing populist (except he’s rich). I went through a 6 month period watching their show “Rising” and was sort of hooked at their schtick in which they argue that the right wing and left wing working class have a lot in common and that the elites in both U.S. political parties are the enemy. MacLeod did a thorough dig into Enjeti’s past: the Hudson Institute, total neo-con, Republican elites, China haters. I’d like to see more digging into the young “right wing populists” who appear on the show. They pose as “woke righties” but the audience is Sandernistas. Now, it just comes off as fake. Seems like Ayn Rand groupies– wannabe super intellects who are very ambitious and looking for themes that have some buzz; in this case their target is the discouraged spoiled American lefties who apparently are buying it. Kind of weird that Krystal Ball stays with him but they have a niche and a money stream… Posted by: migueljose | Jul 2 2021 23:24 utc | 128 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2021 23:48 utc | 129 A long time ago I trusted Wikipedia. A long time ago. Posted by: librul | Jul 2 2021 23:57 utc | 130 @133 Probably all part of a natural process. I think a lot of us had high hopes for wiki at one time. Google was great at first too. Heck some of us even joined Facebook. Posted by: dh | Jul 3 2021 0:10 utc | 131 @134 I was probably a little harsh there. Wiki is OK for some things. Google is a money making racket but I use it. Facebook is fine if you are the friendly type (I’m not) or you have something to promote (I don’t). I do like Messenger. Posted by: dh | Jul 3 2021 0:32 utc | 132 dh librul Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2021 0:37 utc | 133 Confucius sez
I said so long ago,
Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2021 3:12 utc | 134 Mina #103 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2021 3:26 utc | 135 ADKC #130 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2021 4:18 utc | 136 Max #120
Thank you. Even when that scabby little queen of the englanders is formally advised of the malfeasance of her governor and governor general on other significant issues, she does nothing. She pretends innocence as she hides behind the westminster shield. She is the head of the snake, the sine qua non of global capitalist hegemony. Her minions in Oz mostly continue on their way totally careless about their state, consuming their daily soma and aghast that any one would consider this queen to be lower than a blacksnakes belly. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2021 5:14 utc | 137 Max 120 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2021 5:25 utc | 138 MSM censorship by omission: Posted by: Paul | Jul 3 2021 7:45 utc | 139 Pic of Russia’s directed energy weapon Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2021 7:49 utc | 140 Peter AU1 #143 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2021 8:16 utc | 141 ‘Idiotic’: Fury in Ukraine after female soldiers made to march in heels Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 3 2021 9:07 utc | 142 @Rêver | Jul 2 2021 20:56 utc | 127
Thank you, he was a great poet. Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 3 2021 9:39 utc | 143 Tide is changing Posted by: Tom2 | Jul 3 2021 11:47 utc | 144 @Posted by: Paul | Jul 3 2021 7:45 utc | 142 Posted by: librul | Jul 3 2021 12:52 utc | 145 Peter AU 1 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 3 2021 16:04 utc | 146 Does hasbara sink and bury comments by posting a lengthy post, or numerous posts, soon after Posted by: librul | Jul 3 2021 16:33 utc | 147 Perhaps Posted by: librul | Jul 3 2021 16:52 utc | 148 oldhippie wrote: Posted by: jinn | Jul 3 2021 17:27 utc | 149 jinn @ 149 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 3 2021 18:27 utc | 150 Oldhippie wrote Posted by: jinn | Jul 3 2021 18:46 utc | 151 It ain’t preliminary for the fetus that expired. It is quite permanent. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2021 19:23 utc | 152 Clarification: miscarriage percentage statistics for “general population” were higher than 3%, more like 8% for the youngest group and higher for older ones, than for the vaccination study. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2021 19:25 utc | 153 oldhippie 146 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2021 19:55 utc | 154 As I have previously noted in these pages my wife is formerly an editor for JAMA. She knows how to read a medical paper. She reads this one exactly as I do. Her take on this is those who can’t see 104 and 127 have not read the paper at all, are the type who want someone else to do the work and will accept what they are told. Or they are plain stupid. Or they are playing games. Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 3 2021 20:14 utc | 155 @ migueljose | Jul 2 2021 23:24 utc | 128… that was an insightful article.. thanks.. Posted by: james | Jul 3 2021 20:27 utc | 157 I mostly looked at the stats of those vaccinated in the third trimester. I will have to read it again for the stats on the other stages of pregnancy, but what I have seen to date in that pregnancy report, plus the Swiss report on the “coincidental” deaths give a pretty good picture of these rushed out mRNA vaccines. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2021 20:51 utc | 158 Re: The Grayzone Posted by: Antibody | Jul 3 2021 20:59 utc | 159 New National Security Strategy published in Russia, basically all the statements of Lavrov and Putin as of late concerning the west have been institutionalized. Posted by: Paco | Jul 3 2021 21:11 utc | 160 Piotr Berman wrote: Posted by: jinn | Jul 3 2021 21:15 utc | 161 To add to jinn’s comment, the losses in completed pregnancy’s of women vaccinated in their third trimester stand at close to 14% loss rate. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2021 21:26 utc | 162 oldhippie says: Posted by: jinn | Jul 3 2021 21:31 utc | 163 Posted by Librul @145 Posted by: Paul | Jul 3 2021 22:29 utc | 164 Austraia’s secret courts and witness K. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2021 22:45 utc | 165 Paco @160– I found this remarkable utoob summary of the Russian science and technology developments behind their five more or less successful Venus landers of the 1970’s and 1980’s. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2021 23:50 utc | 167 John Cleary #142
C’est la guerre, and I guess there are many Russian jokes regarding the Ukraine. Irish jokes probably pale in comparison. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2021 0:42 utc | 168 @168 The soldiers in high-heels could be a misguided attempt to enlist feminist support in the US. Ukraine is a little behind the times. They haven’t quite figured out the new transgender rules. Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2021 1:02 utc | 169 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 4 2021 1:18 utc | 170 where would we be without our wives?? Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 4 2021 1:25 utc | 171 Mark one down for Walter, he called it: Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 4 2021 1:44 utc | 172 @ 169 dh… lol… Posted by: james | Jul 4 2021 2:04 utc | 173 A very hard read here folks. Posted by: daffyDuct | Jul 4 2021 3:31 utc | 174 Israeli Border Police Blocked Ahmad’s Car, Shot Him Point-blank – Then Drove Off Posted by: Paul | Jul 4 2021 4:34 utc | 175 Posted by: daffyDuct | Jul 4 2021 3:31 utc | 174 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 4 2021 4:44 utc | 176 Biden orders the CIA to investigate russian goverment involvment in the recent multi country ransomware-attack. Some barflies have have suggested that he will try to win russia over to be able to concentrate on confronting China. I don’t see that happening. Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jul 4 2021 5:16 utc | 177 daffyDuct Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2021 5:41 utc | 178 Peter AU1 #165
Thank you for that report. Perhaps we could take that as ‘Crown interest rules’.
As this grubby affair unfolds there may well be a case where the scabrous queen of the englanders picked the pockets of Australians and Timorese. The East Timorese are the newest and one of the poorest nations on our planet. It was bad enough that the Australians pinched their petroleum resources but if queenie was among the jackals then that is truly a treacherous low act. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2021 6:36 utc | 179 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2021 23:24 utc | 166 Posted by: Paco | Jul 4 2021 7:35 utc | 180 uncle tungsten “to give the helium to the exploration companies Woodside and Conoco-Phillips.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2021 8:04 utc | 181 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2021 23:24 utc | 166 Posted by: Paco | Jul 4 2021 8:16 utc | 182 karlof1 | Jul 2 2021 22:54 utc | 126 Posted by: chu teh | Jul 4 2021 8:26 utc | 183 @ Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2021 20:51 utc | 158 Posted by: awaiting approval | Jul 4 2021 8:57 utc | 184 Posted by: chu teh | Jul 4 2021 8:26 utc | 183 Posted by: Paco | Jul 4 2021 9:19 utc | 185 Posted by: Paco | Jul 4 2021 9:19 utc | 185 Posted by: Paco | Jul 4 2021 9:29 utc | 186 Got convinced to get vaxxed, in the end. If only to keep (some) freedom of movement. But if I wasn’t living in a highly densely populated country and near travel hubs, i wouldn’t. Let’s keep fingers crossed for the rest. Posted by: Mina | Jul 4 2021 9:44 utc | 187 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2021 8:04 utc | 181 & Uncle T Posted by: Paul | Jul 4 2021 9:45 utc | 188 Paul “Is there a bunyip aristocracy in Australia?” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2021 10:45 utc | 189 Jörgen Hassler #177
Thank you and I wholeheartedly agree. Biden is the perfect president for a nation that has lost its mind. On the one hand there are voices in his ear that preach of the separation of China from Russia and are deranged at the thought that their past years of insane behavior have cemented the China/Russia partnership – all their own doing. On the other hand are the other voices in Biden’s ear that preach violence and aggression toward both China and Russia and anyone else regardless. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2021 11:08 utc | 190 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2021 0:42 utc | 168 Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 4 2021 12:08 utc | 191 Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 4 2021 12:08 utc | 191 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 4 2021 12:11 utc | 192 Got convinced to get vaxxed, in the end. If only to keep (some) freedom of movement. But if I wasn’t living in a highly densely populated country and near travel hubs, i wouldn’t. Let’s keep fingers crossed for the rest. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 4 2021 12:20 utc | 193 Posted by: chu teh | Jul 4 2021 8:26 utc | 183 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 4 2021 12:38 utc | 194 Off topic – Saker website just became huge shit show with his latest “anti-vaxx” questionnaire. Posted by: Abe | Jul 4 2021 13:21 utc | 195 For those interested, i found out that the J&J is almost identical to the Sputnik, so that gives some options. Posted by: Mina | Jul 4 2021 14:18 utc | 196 @uncle tungsten #167 Posted by: S | Jul 4 2021 14:33 utc | 197 @Mina #196:
Sputnik V is not “almost identical” to J&J’s vaccine. The only thing in common is that both are adenovirus vector vaccines. That’s where the similarities end. Sputnik V has a much higher efficacy and far fewer adverse effects. The higher efficacy is due to the fact that J&J’s vaccine is one-shot (Ad26), while Sputnik V is two-shot (Ad26 and Ad5). I don’t know the reason for fewer adverse effects of Sputnik V. Posted by: S | Jul 4 2021 14:46 utc | 198 Posted by: Abe | Jul 4 2021 13:21 utc | 195 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 4 2021 15:05 utc | 199 Sputnik light is also Ad26 only and it seems to work well. Posted by: Mina | Jul 4 2021 15:49 utc | 200 |
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