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July 1, 2021
Open Thread 2021-050
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Compare “JFK PRESS CONFERENCE #1 (JANUARY 25, 1961)” on youtube to the fine job VVP just did…different, yet quite similar…bright, engaged, in charge, serious and easy…real leadership. These are expressions of real leadership. Posted by: Walter | Jul 1 2021 12:18 utc | 1 A Remarkable Silence: Media Blackout After Key Witness Against Assange Admits Lying
Posted by: librul | Jul 1 2021 12:34 utc | 2 ‘It’s You Against the Machine’ Posted by: librul | Jul 1 2021 12:43 utc | 3 On the last thread I promised something on Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) because it ties in with the theme of the rules-based world order being pushed by Queen Elizabeth: the essence of which is she makes the rules, but she is not bound by the rules.
It’s a pathetic excuse for a central bank and there is abundant evidence that Bingham was lying.
Armed with evidence like this the liquidator sued the Bank of England for misfeasance in public office. How could Bingham claim the matter was never considered when streams of internal memos were produced to address exactly this point?
The Godfather called it making an offer they cannot refuse. Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 1 2021 12:57 utc | 4 I’ve just come across this, and I think it is extremely revealing.
https://archive.fo/TH1nF#selection-1119.0-1467.106 Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 1 2021 13:06 utc | 5 Librul, that is freakin’ cold and that is what makes us hate the 1% … WEALTH TAX !!!. If only we could use bots to grade CEO’s. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 1 2021 13:06 utc | 6 John Cleary @Jul1 12:57 #4: Queen Elizabeth intervened. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 1 2021 13:41 utc | 7 Hitler, in his last days, showed the degeneracy of the Nazi regime and its typical right-wing roots: Canada seems to be deteriorating faster under a man that is the complete opposite of his father. Posted by: arby | Jul 1 2021 14:00 utc | 9 RIP Mike Gravel. Here’s a good interview by Katie Halper with Mike Gravel’s daughter and Daniel Ellsberg. I’m only 30 min into the 2 hr piece but already loaded with good history, lots of detail, barflies would learn a bit and like it all. Posted by: migueljose | Jul 1 2021 14:11 utc | 10 Exercise SEA BREEZE 2021 is underway in the Black Sea! Some references: Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 1 2021 14:17 utc | 11 A couple of drones dropped small bombs on an Indian Air Force base in Kashmir. The Modi regime predictably used this as an excuse to crack down on drone use for ordinary citizens, even though the drones could easily have come from Pakistan, just 14 kilometres away. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 1 2021 14:21 utc | 12 @9 My impression is that Justin is popular with young ‘progressives’ and liberals. He is not liked by more conservative Canadians. How does that make him the opposite of his father? Posted by: dh | Jul 1 2021 14:21 utc | 13 correction @ 8 From the last open thread:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/11-12/12/section/3 Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 1 2021 14:39 utc | 15 @vk | Jul 1 2021 14:32 utc | 14 Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 1 2021 14:48 utc | 16 John Cleary @Jul1 14:39 #15 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 1 2021 14:54 utc | 17 From Haaretz… “Col. Sharon Asman, the new commander of a leading IDF infantry brigade, died unexpectedly at age 43 on Thursday after collapsing in a fitness session. Posted by: Mina | Jul 1 2021 15:04 utc | 18 dh @ 13, IMO Trudeau’s father was leader and did not kow tow to every little demand from our southern neighbor. I doubt that he would allow a bill to go through like the one mentioned in the article much less advocate for it. Posted by: arby | Jul 1 2021 15:06 utc | 19 @14 vk Posted by: m | Jul 1 2021 15:15 utc | 20 How about that Afghanistan forever war? Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 1 2021 15:19 utc | 21 This is one of the most delicious articles you will ever read. imho Posted by: librul | Jul 1 2021 15:21 utc | 22 @19 Yes Pierre Trudeau wasn’t afraid to upset people like Nixon. That was the time of Vietnam and draft dodgers. Times have changed. Justin certainly lacks that kind of courage but he doesn’t have the Vietnam issue to deal with. Posted by: dh | Jul 1 2021 15:22 utc | 23 migueljose @ 10 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 1 2021 15:24 utc | 24 Strom Thurmond. See if spellcheck allows it this time Posted by: Oldhippie | Jul 1 2021 15:25 utc | 25 @ oldhippie | Jul 1 2021 15:24 utc | 24: Posted by: corvo | Jul 1 2021 15:56 utc | 26 librul, I love the Grayzone. They are an excellent website cataloguing the misdeeds of Mordor. They have a unique expertise of Latin America but also cover the M.E. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 1 2021 16:09 utc | 27 @ Posted by: m | Jul 1 2021 15:15 utc | 20 @Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 1 2021 16:09 utc | 27 Posted by: librul | Jul 1 2021 16:22 utc | 29 Israeli-USA public relations bullshit
No survivors were found after the arrival of the Israeli Army forces. The only real benefit from the participation of Israelis IDF was public relations. Local authorities and the US Army Core of Engineers had all they needed to search and rescue any survivors.
Apparently, political pressure was applied to get the IDF to the site for purposes of Israeli PR. USA media tell us that Israel is helping “America” when that is clearly false. There wasn’t any real help and the concern was for Jews, not Americans. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 1 2021 16:37 utc | 30 Posted by: vk | Jul 1 2021 13:52 utc | 8 Posted by: Paco | Jul 1 2021 16:42 utc | 31 @ John Cleary (# 4, 5, 15),… thanks for the insights. Posted by: Max | Jul 1 2021 16:44 utc | 32 @ Posted by: Paco | Jul 1 2021 16:42 utc | 31 The Grayzone article was posted under the Iran policy story of Jun 29, here: Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 1 2021 17:07 utc | 34 Posted by: vk | Jul 1 2021 16:57 utc | 33 Posted by: Paco | Jul 1 2021 17:08 utc | 35 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 1 2021 17:07 utc | 35 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 1 2021 17:08 utc | 36 What are U$A’s core values? How about UK’s core values? Posted by: Max | Jul 1 2021 17:22 utc | 37 John Cleary– @ karlof1 (#40), Posted by: Max | Jul 1 2021 17:44 utc | 39 @Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 1 2021 17:08 utc | 37 Posted by: librul | Jul 1 2021 17:50 utc | 40 While we or at least I wait and worry about other things here’s an interesting video (17:17 minutes) titled “The Longest-running Evolution Experiment” (that would be by number of generations, not by years) by the Veritasium YouTube channel. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 1 2021 17:59 utc | 41 Posted by: Mina | Jul 1 2021 18:27 utc | 42 – Max Blumenthal wrote a (very) interesting article: Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 1 2021 19:17 utc | 43 Posted by: dh | Jul 1 2021 15:22 utc | 23 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 1 2021 19:20 utc | 44 @Librul, Will2 et all @47 It would be very interesting to get Pierre’s take on current Canadian affairs. How would he have handled Trump? What he would have to say about Meng Wanzhou? Things like immigration, LGBT, first nations etc…….too bad we’ll never know. Posted by: dh | Jul 1 2021 19:51 utc | 46 @Posted by: b | Jul 1 2021 19:48 utc | 48
It is not clear if their own lawyers barred them as a prudent legal tactic Posted by: librul | Jul 1 2021 20:09 utc | 47 @ b | Jul 1 2021 19:48 utc | 48 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2021 20:29 utc | 48
Hello JR.
You see they did the same as with BCCI. The action was “halted” as it was “unnecessary”. THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY HEAR THE CASE.
So why did he not say so? Why is the court putting forward a submission on his behalf?
Yet here we are, eighteen years later and the obsolete statute remains unrepealed. Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 1 2021 20:41 utc | 49 It is disquieting to learn of the arrogance of two of Grayzone’s writers. Posted by: librul | Jul 1 2021 20:54 utc | 50 Multi-national teams do rescue missions from collapsed buildings resulting from natural disasters Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 1 2021 21:03 utc | 51 John Cleary @52– karlof1 Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 1 2021 22:14 utc | 53 A rider to a FY22 bill that would reinstate Nordstream 2 sanctions passed a House committee on a unanimous vote. The drama lives on. I imagine this will drag into threatening sanctions on German utilities. Posted by: schmoe | Jul 1 2021 22:43 utc | 54 CIA director William Burns meets with members of [Brazilian president] Bolsonaro’s cabinet John Cleary @56– Posted by: librul | Jul 1 2021 17:50 utc | 42 and b | Jul 1 2021 19:48 utc | 48 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 1 2021 23:23 utc | 57 I know it was discussed, and that links were probably shared, but as with the Sulome Anderson comments section dustup, it’s a good thing multiple commenters provided the links. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 1 2021 23:27 utc | 58 I seldom disagree with Russia’s MFA spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, but her estimation that Iran and the Outlaw US Empire will return to the JCPOA on 14 July I find sadly mistaken because there’s one major actor the negotiators have no control over–the Outlaw US Empire’s Congress which legislated many of the illegal sanctions placed on Iran and can only be undone by its actions. And that would mean plenty of Congressional hearings and lobbying by Biden for that process to begin, and there’s no sign of the whatsoever. Iranian policy is simple and very clear–Actions resulting in removal of ALL sanctions must occur first prior to Iran acting–and it was just reiterated by president elect Raisi. Too Funny!! Brits dependent on Russia for space access: John Cleary @Jul1 20:41 #52 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 2 2021 0:07 utc | 61 Trying to glance through an awful lot of comments I noticed one in particular on what seems like robust UK/NHS plans for what amounts to “triage by euthanasia” in case things got really bad. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 2 2021 0:08 utc | 62 Another response.
Less so if: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 2 2021 0:31 utc | 63 When does a civilization collapse? Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 2 2021 0:43 utc | 64 vk # #14 Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2021 1:16 utc | 65 @ David (#67), nope. The reality reveals & civilization’s end begins… Posted by: Max | Jul 2 2021 1:19 utc | 66 the unforgivable war Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2021 1:32 utc | 67 Posted by: vk | Jul 1 2021 22:44 utc | 58 Posted by: migueljose | Jul 2 2021 2:17 utc | 68 Mina #45
and no, I have not lifted this out of context. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 2 2021 2:25 utc | 69 More on ivermectin, summarizes what many barflies have already read but adds some detail from Mexico, India and Peru along with a few comments from Americans. Posted by: migueljose | Jul 2 2021 2:37 utc | 70 Posted by Librul @ 2 Posted by: Paul | Jul 2 2021 2:46 utc | 71 karlof1 #62
Thank you karlof1 and as Maria Zakharova is an excellent communicator, I assume she was setting the context for the Biden fail as he surely can only get Congressional agreement by crawling over broken glass and doling out vast treasures to buy each vote. Can you imagine any President surviving the charge of being ‘soft on Iran and its mullahs’? Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 2 2021 2:58 utc | 72 Assange vs the NGO outlet in HK Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 2 2021 3:07 utc | 73 @Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2021 1:32 utc | 70 Posted by: librul | Jul 2 2021 3:41 utc | 74 Continuing from Jul2 0:07 #64 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 2 2021 3:57 utc | 75 Sleazy hustler with criminal sexual interests, recruited by FBI to build a case against Assange admits to lies. “Responsible media” is silent. Can we say: human scum can be compared to total scum. I hesitate to stick “human” in the description of “responsible media”, because “total human scum” may suggests that they are totally human, while some studies suggest strong genetic presence of wetland species, a.k.a. swamp creatures. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 2 2021 4:37 utc | 76 News item. Overseas arrivals to Australia halved. Tens of thousands Australians who have expressed an interest to return are, apparently, ‘stranded’ overseas. Posted by: Paul | Jul 2 2021 5:12 utc | 77 @b: Posted by: willy2 | Jul 2 2021 5:39 utc | 78 Librul if I’ve understood it and the concept is real (bias: a reasonable general idea that seems overwhelmingly likely to me) then like everyone else they are already paying the price although most just won’t realize it (and some will be more innocent than others; it compounds and self-interacts and is not at all simple and not obvious to many). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 2 2021 6:04 utc | 79 Further to my comment @: Paul @ 80 Posted by: Paul | Jul 2 2021 6:05 utc | 80 Putin, in regard to his meeting with Biden, said US new they were going down, or that China Russia were taking the lead, something along those lines, and he said US would try to prevent this at all costs. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 6:34 utc | 82 Jackrabbit 78 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 6:47 utc | 83 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2021 23:33 utc | 62 Posted by: Paco | Jul 2 2021 6:55 utc | 84 agreed, with Tracey….. and with Caitlan J. Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2021 6:58 utc | 85 librul @ #77 Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2021 7:19 utc | 86 Tungsten 72 about the Guardian link, what is more interesting even is that the paper uses what seems to be a technical term, ‘imperfect vaccine’ which is explained here Posted by: Mina | Jul 2 2021 7:20 utc | 87 Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 6:47 utc | 86 Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 2 2021 8:01 utc | 88 John Cleary Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 8:26 utc | 90 @Christian J. Chuba (no. 76) Posted by: joey_n | Jul 2 2021 8:42 utc | 91 Peter AU1 | Jul 2 2021 8:26 utc | 93 Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 2 2021 9:03 utc | 92 Hmm. Canadians are waking up, even if Australians are not. Posted by: John Cleary | Jul 2 2021 9:27 utc | 93 I´m waiting for the claim that the downfall and dissolution of the Eastern Bloc 1989-1991 had been a color revolution. Instigated by Nazis. Posted by: m | Jul 2 2021 9:46 utc | 94 Given the Grayzone is getting a serious ribbing I might just mention The Young Turks or perhaps I should call them Erdoghans nutjobs. Anyway the good Richard Medhurst gave TYT a mighty hard and well deserved backhander a week or so ago. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVnYWV4sHZo Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 2 2021 10:15 utc | 95 John Cleary #95
Thank you for that question and it might interest you to know that there was no legal basis for Howard’s decision. Every soldier sent was a war criminal. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 2 2021 10:23 utc | 96 On Rumsfeld Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 2 2021 10:29 utc | 97 @ m | Jul 2 2021 9:46 utc | 97 (nazi instigation) Posted by: Walter | Jul 2 2021 10:32 utc | 98 Mina #90
Thank you, that makes the entire report most alarming PLUS it possibly explains the (to my mind) confused information in the grauniad piece. Now I understand the the implications of this text:
After reading the chicken Marek vaccine report I can see that one immediate implication is that the process of dispensing ‘imperfect vaccine’ for covid-19 is to let loose an army of carriers. One precaution I am taking is to increase my prophylactic practice and diligence as more and more acquaintances are getting their imperfect vaccines. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 2 2021 10:48 utc | 99 I have no science background at all. I try to make my way in the links ppl post here. Posted by: Mina | Jul 2 2021 11:26 utc | 100 |
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