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July 17, 2021

'Civilized Nations'

The Washington Post is differentiating between 'civilized' and -unsaid- 'uncivilized' nations.


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After making false claims about the illegal passage of a British destroyer near Crimea, a planned provocation, the author goes on to bash Russia as well as China.

 


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WaPo columnist George Will then asserts:

Henry Kissinger has said, not unreasonably, that we are in “the foothills” of a cold war with China. And Vladimir Putin, who nurses an unassuageable grudge about the way the Cold War ended, seems uninterested in Russia reconciling itself to a role as a normal nation without gratuitous resorts to mendacity. It is, therefore, well to notice how, day by day, in all of the globe’s time zones, civilized nations are, in word and deed, taking small but cumulatively consequential measures that serve deterrence.

If arrogance were a deadly disease, George Will would be dead.

Posted by b on July 17, 2021 at 11:02 UTC | Permalink

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The early warning Radar is near Armavir, in Kransnodar province!, That one pick up the missiles first!

Posted by: Grishka | Jul 18 2021 7:55 utc | 100

Yes, Krasnodar, that's right. Not in Crimea, they started that before Crimea was Russian again, I would think.

Thanks for your comment. Russia is big. I don't know that much Russian geography.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2021 8:27 utc | 101

Sun Tzu | Jul 17 2021 19:53 utc | 73

The version that I mention was the one from 2016 or thereabouts. ie. and memory.

The original net "source" came from the same period. It has long since been subverted to "the newway of newspeak truth" by losing it's finance. Your reference will be more up to date.

At the time it would have been politically dodgy to openly admit that the Israeli navy had submarines capable of firing cruise missiles. (and they have how many nukes to put inside?), so - they didn't????

*******

One reflection on the WillyDidIt article; is that the total censorship on any news, opinion, scientific argument, or any other newsworthy item, means that there is virtually nothing that the MSM can comment on anymore. They must not only scrape the bottom of the barrel*, they have to bring back from the "yesterdays news bin" articles to fill up pages. (* which end of the barrel are they looking down?)

This came home to me simply by looking at which news has NOT been mentioned today, from demonstrations in Paris, London and brighton beach (more like a sit-in or something). Also Assad in Syria met the Chinese Foreign Minister "Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi arrives in Damascus and meets Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Syria looks forward to increasing cooperation with China. Assad thanked China for its stances in support of Syria’s sovereignty, unity and independence. Press TV, 18 July 2021" He then went on to this; https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1416668109457420291.
Also 70 tankers of Oil stolen, plus opening of a border crossing into Idlb area (There really does seem to have been a "trade-off" discussion in Geneva for this to happen)
Cuba? Pro-cuba demonstrations, agogo. Miami, not so.
Israel- Army and settlers combining to shoot four palestinians. 751 arrests without charge for indefinite detention since the beginning of the year.
Tomorrow is Al Eid (THE most holy Muslim celebration) - so the IDF shoot some Palestinians and Jewish extremists take over Al Aqsa.
One Foundation/Trust in the UK has had 76 days without deaths from Covid, but is desperate and facing catastrophes galore.

No point in going on, as the gap between News and NewMsmSpeak is now so great that I sometimes have doubts about the twin planets that we apparently now inhabit.


Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 18 2021 8:33 utc | 102

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2021 7:48 utc | 99

Wholesale suport is indeed imperial propaganda, but the overt or tacit support by large segments of the citizenry is a fact. And this is to be expected after such an extensive indoctrination with notions of extreme messianic chauvinism, ethno-supremacism and conspicuous absence of negative consequences (such as horrific losses, near economic collapse, devastation of the imperial homeland etc.)of such policies.

Again, as you correctly pointed, the popularity of the regime is mostly centered on the more affluent classes. Still, there is also sufficient support from the lower segments of the society to ensure that criminal policies, almost always harmful to parts of the citizenry too, continue without significant opposition.

One of the most telling examples of this attitude was the 2015 poll in the US about a potential bombing campaign against Agrabah due to severe human rights violations. If I recall the numbers correctly, in favor were 32% of Reps questioned and 18%of Dems. Against were 16% of Reps and 37% of Dems (although the DNC liberals have become far more hawkish since). In short, 48% of polled Republicans and 55% of Democrats had a definite view in support of or in opposition of a bombing campaign against a country that exists in the toon film "Aladdin". Not insignificant at all, especilly since there is far more support for agressive action - that includes regime change and sanctions - against existing countries that have been systematically demonized by the Anglo-American regime.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 18 2021 8:38 utc | 103

It is not the first time I notice it: Google software systematically degrades the position of MoA, for any search.
I searched for "george will civilized nations".
B’s article is in 1st position on Duckduckgo, 2nd on Bing, 3rd on Yandex.
But in 37th position on Google...
As a lawyer (from the UE), I have no doubt that b could hold Google responsible, or even stop this practice. But this would probably need to be discussed on a specific article, in order to bring to the discussion the good wills, lawyers and Internet specialists.

Posted by: Leuk | Jul 18 2021 8:57 utc | 104

Kitchen-sink journalism is the rage in the West now. It's fun to watch how pathetic the Western mass media in general has become.

Posted by: Steve | Jul 18 2021 9:02 utc | 105

The sun never sets on good examples of "civilised nations"....
-- Australians slitting the throats of defenseless Afghan boys?
-- Canadians burying First Nation children in unmarked graves?
-- Americans shooting everything that moved at My Lai?
-- English forcing opium grown with slave labour on to Chinese?
-- Americans aiding Cubans with internet access, but not vaccine access?
-- Israelis shooting Palestinians like dogs?
-- Americans stealing Syrian oil, burning Syrian wheat fields?
-- English slaughtering Indian worshippers at Amritsar?
-- Americans denying Venezuelan access to their own money to buy vaccines?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jul 18 2021 9:28 utc | 106

Bemildred | Jul 18 2021 8:27 utc | 101

The actual radar! So my memory is not entirely used up and I still have a bit left.

The Russians were in place (Sevastopol) before the Maidan riots. They had a long term agreement with "Ukraine" for a naval base, but it is logical that the radar would be in Russia itself as Grishka says.. ( Armavir, in Kransnodar province!, That one pick up the missiles first!)

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 18 2021 9:51 utc | 107

Stonebird @ 107:

Yes Russia and the Ukraine signed an agreement in 1997 allowing Russia to lease naval facilities in Sevastopol which I think had special city status separate from the Crimean Republic. The agreement also allowed Russia to station up to 25,000 armed personnel in Crimea. In March 2014 there were 23,000 military stationed on the peninsula for the independence referendum.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 18 2021 10:00 utc | 108

Leuk | Jul 18 2021 8:57 utc | 104

A new part of the censorship system is to not let posts - be posted at all. This happeend to me recently, my post in a dialogue box was neither "refused" or posted, but left "hanging", where the only two alternative were to change it or cancel. (With the "post" box sexily shivering each time I trried to confirm the post.)

Much more convenient to not allow a post rather than monitor or refuse it later. No one hears you scream in Alien lands.
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How many posts are never made because of the Algos that now incorporated in the MSM ?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 18 2021 10:07 utc | 109

Since the beginning of the so-called "war on terror," the "civilized nations" have killed more than 200,000 children in the middle east and north Africa.

Posted by: Mike from Jersey | Jul 18 2021 11:44 utc | 110

Soft-totalitarianism

If you vote Green Party in the US you will inevitably hear something like this:
"but, by not voting for Hillary you helped Trump".

Democrats don't vote, they submit.

Democrats vote enable the descent of their party.
They teach the DNC owners that any crap will be accepted and supported at the polls.
Their better candidates are sabotaged by the owners of the DNC, *and the voters know it!*,
and yet Democratic voters will still support the DNC annointed candidate at the polls,
even after seeing and experiencing their own democratic rights being thwarted.
They submit and are puzzled when others don't bow down too.

Down and down the Democratic Party goes.
Corrupt WWIII Hillary Clinton, really (?).
Corrupt warmonger, crashtestdummy Biden, really (?).
The way it is supposed to work if you want my vote is to offer up a worthy candidate.

Soft-totalitarianism
is submission to the owners of the corrupt and totalitarian DNC.

Posted by: librul | Jul 18 2021 12:32 utc | 111

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jul 18 2021 9:28 utc | 106

-- All European civilizations' genocide and deracination of indigenous populations (which proceeds unabated in Australia)

Can you believe we in Australia must start all classes and meetings with an 'acknowledgement of country' and yet our de facto policy is the systematic annihilation of their entire culture? The hypocrisy piles up so high here you need wings to stay above it.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 18 2021 12:45 utc | 112

There are Don-2N Early Warning Radar stations at Sofrino to protect Moscow and in Khazastan to cover Central Asia Both are integrated giving coverage of: Scandinavia, Europe, the Mediterranean, Western and Central Asia but not providing coverage of Southern Europe (Spain & Portugal). According to open sources, it was from Khazastan that the Israeli SLCMs launches, originating from the middle of Mediterranean, were detected.

I can share open source URL with the jpg pic of the overhead Radar display screen at Sofrino. It shows all areas with Radar coverage on the map of: Europe, the Mediterranean, Western and Central Asia. But the URL is too long and would impact adversely the reading format of this blog. I have tried to apply the syntax given on this blog’s web page but it doesn’t work. Maybe someone can shed some light on what it is that is wrong with HTML syntax given on this page in order to post long hyperlinks.

The Don-2N doesn’t reach into Gibraltar or any part of Spain and Portugal so it is doubtful that the Russian Early warning radar signal picked up anything happening near Gibraltar. The two Israeli SLCMs were launched from behind NATO’s flotilla in the middle of the Mediterranean. NATO’s flotilla was in a standoff facing Russia and China’s flotilla mustered in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Jul 18 2021 12:46 utc | 113

"..The commander of the Ukrainian navy, Rear Admiral Oleksiy Neizhpapa,...added this intriguing rhetorical flourish: “The Navy, like other types/branches of the Armed Forces, like the entire civilized world, is switching to unmanned technologies. This is a step forward.” Russia is no doubt excluded from his definition of civilized world..."

Posted by: bevin | Jul 18 2021 13:11 utc | 114

In the civilized nations, being Palestinian is enough for being banned on FB
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-facebook-blocks-account-that-posted-letter-by-jailed-palestinian-ex-mp-1.10008796

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2021 14:08 utc | 115

One of the most telling examples of this attitude was the 2015 poll in the US about a potential bombing campaign against Agrabah due to severe human rights violations. If I recall the numbers correctly, in favor were 32% of Reps questioned and 18%of Dems. Against were 16% of Reps and 37% of Dems (although the DNC liberals have become far more hawkish since). In short, 48% of polled Republicans and 55% of Democrats had a definite view in support of or in opposition of a bombing campaign against a country that exists in the toon film "Aladdin". Not insignificant at all, especilly since there is far more support for agressive action - that includes regime change and sanctions - against existing countries that have been systematically demonized by the Anglo-American regime.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 18 2021 8:38 utc | 103

Fair enough. I'm not denying there are plenty of war lovers here, always have been. I just think it is unfair to lump the many people who I have known and known of here who fought and died to resist these wars in with the war lovers, each in their own way and knowing a lot less than we do. And a lot of good people just trying to do their job, such as it is.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2021 14:10 utc | 116

Bemildred @116

I have known far too many antiwar types who clutch their pearls, rip their hair, and rend their clothing in agonized internal conflict and then exclaim "But we have to do something! Those poor Agrabahnians!! Who will help them if we don't?!?!"

Bad intentions suck, but it was good intentions that paved the freeway to hell that America is racing down. Nowadays I experience visceral revulsion at the cheap, feel-good virtue signalling of America's antiwar faux left. Contemporary antiwar protests, where they exist at all in the US, are slick, over-produced charades offering catharsis and guilt relief for the attendees guided by literal actors on professionally managed stages. It is beyond disgusting. The world would be better off if their guilt were left intact and drove them to suicide.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 18 2021 14:38 utc | 117

I have a very rare and valuable coin. It is sort of an anti-I Ching. where the I-Ching is used to fortell the future, this coin will tell what the future will NOT be like.

On the front is the likeness of George Will. Behind him is an image of Calvin Coolidge in front of a mythical American town set sometime around 1923. George Will’s head is mounted firmly on a baseball bat stuck into the town square, in the manner of Wamsutta. The border is an alternating pattern of baseballs, bow-ties, and slices of apple pie.

The obverse contains the image of Thomas Friedman focused intently upon a crystal ball, like the Wicked Witch of the West. In the ball, one can clearly see a flat earth bearing the watermark of the Israeli flag. In the far rear of the flat earth, but still clear, is the image of an Israeli soldier uprooting a Palestinian Olive tree. In front of that is the image of an IDF Lexus gunship running over a fleeing Palestian peasant. Both are falling helplessly over the edge of the flat earth. Thomas Friedman’s head floats aimlessly in a celestial miasma.
The border is a circle of shekels.

Now here’s the thing: One can flip this coin one time, ten times, one hundred times, as many times as you like, though like the I-Ching it is best to wait a respectable amount of time between flips. Now, whichever side comes up, Will or Friedman, one checks their latest pronouncement, and it will be wrong. The coin is guaranteed to ALWAYS be wrong! Where else can you find such certainty in a changing world? A very rare a valuable coin indeed!

Posted by: Malooga | Jul 18 2021 16:18 utc | 118

@ Malooga:

I like it :-) but I think you meant not Wamsutta but his younger brother and successor Metacomet.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 18 2021 16:47 utc | 119

Brings to mind the observation of an English journalist who witnessed the depravity of the 8 Nation Alliance as they rampaged through Beijing after the Boxer Uprising which failed to free China of its semi colonial misery.
``Sometimes I wonder if this so-called civilization of ours is just a veneer for savagery,'' he lamented, as quoted by Indian Prime Minister Nehru in his letters on history written to his young daughter Indira during his incarceration under imperialist British rule.
These modern Western presstitutes and their facilitators wouldn't know what `civilization' really is, until someone sticks it back where the sun don't shine with a big thrust of cold steely reality.
The rest of the planet is familiar with their gangland style of `civilisation’ over 500 years, and still counting – in Syria, Cuba, Palestine.
When the thugs in suits run up against someone who can actually hand their ass back to them, they pull up short and start a spitting war.
Here is where titles such as Washed Up Post, Sydney Porn-ing Herald (sexing up the China-bashing drill), the Silly Cassandra Moaning Post of Hong Kong start throwing ink and mud.
Un-civilized is just the newest meme in the propaganda playbook, alongside authoritarian, transparent, debt trap, coercive, wolf diplomacy, bullying, rules-based order etc.
Guaranteed to trigger Pavlovian reaction in the Woke and the dumbed-down. Look this way, stupid!

Posted by: LittleWhiteCabbage | Jul 18 2021 17:20 utc | 120

re LittleWhiteCabbage | Jul 18 2021 17:20 utc | 120:

These modern Western presstitutes and their facilitators wouldn't know what `civilization' really is, until someone sticks it back where the sun don't shine with a big thrust of cold steely reality.

Curiously, that's precisely how Muammar Gaddafi learned what Western Civilization is.

Posted by: corvo | Jul 18 2021 17:25 utc | 121

@59, "gunboat diplomacy"

What made that possible was the invention of the coal-fired steam engine, which meant that gunboats could steam up rivers into the heart of China

Posted by: Jane | Jul 18 2021 21:02 utc | 122

Nothing new here; such talk has been a staple in Washington since at least the 1980's.

Posted by: Edward | Jul 18 2021 21:02 utc | 123

Pepe Escobar at his VK space wrote a very brief note about the nature of those at the WaPost:

"Meanwhile the CIA rag in Washington features lowly hacks extolling the merits of 'civilized nations' (sic) deterring Russia and China.

"Excremental nourishment by the braindead for the braindead." [My Emphasis]

I thought that quite apt and clearly worthy of sharing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2021 21:26 utc | 124

This is precisely the type of arrogance that has led to US leaving Afghanistan with their pants down - having spent untold Trillions of dollars and having nothing to show for it.

Posted by: Ayatoilet | Jul 17 2021 12:50 utc | 16

Hmm, it depends what you imagine they were trying to achieve. If dividends, then they scored several billion bullseyes.

Posted by: Echelon | Jul 18 2021 22:22 utc | 125

RE: Petri Krohn | Jul 17 2021 14:44 utc | 33

"Reliability"

Early in their (alphabetic) list, Wikileaks names the BBC and Bellingcat as highest-level reliable sources! That should be enough, right there and all alone, to discredit Wikipedia in the eyes of every honest person in the entire world.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jul 19 2021 1:01 utc | 126

corvo,

You’re right I did not mean Wamsutta, but neither did I mean the more obvious referent, Metacomet. Who I did mean was Weetamoo, the sunksqua, or female sachem of the Pocasset tribe; among her many marriages was Metacomet’s brother. Her first husband was from Saugus, MA, some sixty miles away, which shows the breadth of Native relations before the White man began slowly chipping away at their territory. She had an extraordinary life, and was a belligerent by choice in what the White man calls “King Phillip’s War,” where she supposedly drowned fleeing across the Taunton River. Rather than being washed out to sea, as one would expect if one drowned swimming across the lower Taunton River where it is wide enough that one could conceivably drown (One can’t drown crossing the Taunton River 20 miles upstream in the town of Taunton where one can practically walk across), her body was taken, and similar to Metacomet, her head cut off and placed on a pike, where it was proudly displayed in the Town of Taunton for a number of years, as a sign, I suppose, of the superiority of European civilization. At least that is the story according to the self-righteous progenitor of religious fundamentalism, Increase Mather, so some of this tale may be self-serving lies and propaganda, as I have attempted to indicate.

America names it’s wars as subtle attempts to portray the hapless victims of Imperial aggression as belligerents. The Korean War, the Vietnam War, etc., as if the Vietnamese were taunting the Americans, “Hey, you idiots, come over here and fight a war with us on OUR territory, then we don’t have to travel all the way over to your territory, and we can go home and sleep in our own beds every night!” Similarly, how can the Native people fight an aggressive war against unwanted invaders, as it is portrayed, when it is obvious that the settlers intended to wipe the Natives out and steal their lands, as they promptly did with avarice and great dispatch. As Wikipedia notes with unintended irony and understatement, commenting on the fallout of the genocide of the Natives as a result of “King Phillip’s War,” “King Phillip’s War began the development of an independent American identity.” Yes, and that identity included 215 years of uninterrupted genocide on this continent (not even slowing for the Civil War), before they were forced by their own success to venture across the seas and recommence the killing “over there.” (because the Yanks are coming..) The American identity indeed! And it hasn’t stopped yet. Glory, glory, halleluja! (By way of digression, any level-headed reading of ”The Battle Hymn of the Rebublic” makes clear that OUR Lord is in favor of us killing any and all infidels, referred to as ”serpents” in the lyrics)

To my knowledge, thankfully no munition or helicopter has been named after the participants in the war to genocide the Eastern Native tribes. Many names are commemorated in streets, mills, ponds etc of the area. There is the very beautiful Weetamoo Woods in territory she lived in, in South Tiverton. This is a land of great natural wealth and a quiet understated majesty, yet in the 14 years I have lived in this area, I have seen countless remote places of irreplaceable beauty mowed down for the modern cancer of the solar “farm.”

There was a large undeveloped tract in East Freetown which was bisected by 140. Fortunately, a large boulder, a glacial erratic, with a cave large enough for about four men to sleep in, built of stones carefully chinked and stacked against its west side, remained. While I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the historical assertion, the cave was called King Phillip’s Cave, and was reputed to be a place he sought refuge while fleeing his pursuers. All local school children were taught this story at least as far back as I can trace, and the place was accorded great reverence. Off of East Howland Road, you proceed 3/8 of a mile down a broad path in the woods. Then there was a trail fork on your right, leading up a gentle incline. Gradually, your worked you way out of the woods into an area of glacial deposition. Groupings of dramatic large 10 foot boulders split by time are on your right beneath you. The exposed grey granite, weathered by the ages, was covered with pale green and purple lichen and moss -- absolutely magical at sunset. At the summit, you re-entered the forest, then dropped down to follow the lip of a idyllic circular pond carved out by the glaciers. Then, there was another fork to the right, and 1/4 mile along an undulating path, at another summit, was King Phillip’s Cave. There is no level land on this hike. At least, this was all true 3 years ago. Now, its a solar farm. King Phillips cave is gone. The granite out cropping, now the center of the farm proved too hilly and difficult to put panels on. But one can see by the blast holes that they tried, destroying any beauty to the stone. Southeastern Massachusetts is largely flat farmland, which is far more receptive to solar farm construction. Why anyone would attempt to construct solar panels on a unique undulating area of exposed rock and glacial activity is beyond me. I have no knowledge of what monies changed hands in the name of this atrocity. An undisturbed area of unique beauty 10,000 years old, with a human structure 350 years old of immense historical significance is gone forever. Adios Metecomet, adios Weetamoo, the night is on fire: You continue to live on in my dreams. They paved paradise and put up a solar farm.

Posted by: Malooga | Jul 19 2021 4:25 utc | 127

@126 Malooga

Thank you for bearing witness. You were not unheard.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 19 2021 5:16 utc | 128

@ Malooga | Jul 19 2021 4:25 utc | 126 who wrote

"
They paved paradise and put up a solar farm.
"

I am sure Joni Mitchell would approve of your poetic license

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2021 5:23 utc | 129

Malooga | Jul 19 2021 4:25 utc | 126

Thank you for the walk-through of paradise before it was paved.

Sometimes one wonders why people do not look and appreciate before it is too late, because you may not be able to do it tomorrow.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 19 2021 7:23 utc | 130

Posted by: Malooga | Jul 18 2021 16:18 utc | 118 -- A very rare a valuable coin indeed!
Posted by: Malooga | Jul 19 2021 4:25 utc | 126 -- They paved paradise and put up a solar farm.

Thanks for both your rare coin story and your solar farm paradiasical parody.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jul 19 2021 8:27 utc | 131

Posted by: Malooga | Jul 19 2021 4:25 utc | 126 -- “King Phillip’s War began the development of an independent American identity.”

Time has shown that the "independent American identity" is a barbaric identity -- one built on stealing other people's lands and resources. And when there is nothing left to steal, they declare, "objective accomplished", and leave in the middle of the night, without even telling their former useful idiot allies.

It helps that they put words into their god's mouth, claiming exceptionally indispensable licence to slaughter brown natives left and right.

Being blind to irony is a trade mark of the arrogantly ignorant West.

That is why they still think to this day that they are civilised.

Here, I am judging things by the centuries of barbaric conduct of the leaders in the "civilised West", and not by the citizens whom they oppress, for whom I have deepest sympathy.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jul 19 2021 8:40 utc | 132

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 18 2021 12:45 utc | 112 -- "All European civilizations' genocide and deracination of indigenous populations (which proceeds unabated in Australia). Can you believe we in Australia must start all classes and meetings with an 'acknowledgement of country' and yet our de facto policy is the systematic annihilation of their entire culture? The hypocrisy piles up so high here you need wings to stay above it."

I have been unaware that they recite that hypocritical 'acknowledgement of country'.

But I can tell you that I can taste the racism in the air whenever I walk down Oz city streets.

I will not be too surprised to hear soon of unmarked graves of brown children taken from their parents to be raised in the "civilised" ways of white man.

As in Canada, so it is highly likely (how do you like those words again?) in Australia.

And as well, in the most civilised nation of them all, Amedika.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jul 19 2021 8:55 utc | 133

"Being blind to irony is a trade mark of the arrogantly ignorant West.

That is why they still think to this day that they are civilised."

I don't think that's quite it, they think "civilization" has to do with stuff, how much stuff you have in your garage, how much better stuff (particularly weapons) you can make than other people. And if you have enough stuff, well, you just can't be uncivilized. If you have a lot of stuff, then you are "successful" and you deserve it.

I know it's kind of circular, isn't it? They like that a lot. No silly confusing arguments.

The religious here - not all of them thank the deity - tend to share that view: having stuff is a sign of God's grace, etc. That goes back at least to Calvin, and just permeates the Protestant TV "denominations", and contrasts with the official Catholic view. And yes, they are fond of getting them while they are young, although the government hasn't taken much interest like in Canada, and does not usually even pretend to care about the indigenous people here. (They have no stuff, no money, see?)

You can see why, once they decided on consumer culture here, the big-shots, it was thought a great idea.

Now, with this new wrold order, they seem to want to keep selling us stuff, but we don't actually get anything but "services". They get all the stuff, we get "services".

This is "materialism", about as crude as you can get.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 19 2021 11:59 utc | 134

apparently he caught some russian and chinese women wearing jeans. once we regime change them we can impose yoga pants the way we apparently have in the west.

Posted by: the pair | Jul 19 2021 15:35 utc | 135

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