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June 27, 2021

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-049

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

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Other issues:

New Cold War:

Julian Assange:

Mark Ames @MarkAmesExiled - 21:35 UTC · Jun 26, 2021
Great reporting by @GunnarHrafnJ on the FBI’s key witness—a serial child molester, fraudster & embezzler who was granted immunity to work as an informant & continued his crime spree while under FBI protection — to build their case against Assange.

Covid-19 - Spread:

Two Delta variant cases in Sydney were traced back to a man who had only passed those he infected and had kept some two feet away from them. That is a measles level of infectiousness, way higher than older variants.

Covid-19 Therapeutics:

Covid-19 Social consequences:

> Results: Between 2010 and 2018, the gap in life expectancy between the US and the peer country average increased from 1.88 years (78.66 v 80.54 years, respectively) to 3.05 years (78.74 v 81.78 years). Between 2018 and 2020, life expectancy in the US decreased by 1.87 years (to 76.87 years), 8.5 times the average decrease in peer countries (0.22 years), widening the gap to 4.69 years. Life expectancy in the US decreased disproportionately among racial and ethnic minority groups between 2018 and 2020, declining by 3.88, 3.25, and 1.36 years in Hispanic, non-Hispanic Black, and non-Hispanic White populations, respectively. In Hispanic and non-Hispanic Black populations, reductions in life expectancy were 15 and 18 times the average in peer countries, respectively. <

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on June 27, 2021 at 14:16 UTC | Permalink

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Your citing of the vice story ("Why is the intellectual dark web...") is quite unfortunate, given its byline. Its true that us poor folks in the third world / global south (I'm from India) can only afford medications that you give your dogs. But it is also true that only the first and (erstwhile) second world countries suffer from this "culture war" context over the attempt in poorer countries on finding cheaper treatments for COVID.

We are simply trying to survive given that we will likely not be able to cover even a substantial part of our populations with the "god sent" vaccines your countries have developed. We needn't even go into the system-wide misrule in India, just consider the vaccination costs being imposed on us by our fascist hindu king.

Ivermectin has been administered to a lot of my relations when they showed early symptoms, and it is their doctors' firm belief that this has helped tamp down their cases from becoming serious.

We are hopeful that this long dark time of misrule will come to an end in the next election cycle, and we can rejoin the global south in finding our own destiny independent of what direction the cultural petards blow up in the first and second worlds.

Posted by: Shom | Jun 27 2021 14:31 utc | 1

Covid-19 - Spread:

I don’t know why you even mention COVID-19. Your moderation is so heavy handed that it makes frank discussion impossible.

Here is another consequence of the Covid-19 lockdowns:

The dramatic drop in global carbon emissions seen during the early days of the pandemic and global shutdowns would need to be matched every two years for the rest of the decade in order to meet the goals outlined in the Paris climate agreement, according to a new study, though the authors don’t recommend that the world rely on “lockdowns” to help battle climate change

Report: World Needs Equivalent Of Pandemic Lockdown Every Two Years To Meet Paris Carbon Emission Goals

Posted by: Down South | Jun 27 2021 15:18 utc | 2

Campbell is pretty uptight. But when corpses will start to pile at the hospitals gates, the authorities can still blame people for not being vaccinated rather than the UEFA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JETqBIl4mOo
Also mentions that Oxford is starting a big IVM trial.
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/ivermectin-principle-trial-covid/

Posted by: Mina | Jun 27 2021 15:30 utc | 3

Sophisticated anti-China propaganda by The Japan Times (again):

China needs higher inflation, by Yu Yongding

Yu Yongding is "a former president of the China Society of World Economics and director of the Institute of World Economics and Politics at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, served on the Monetary Policy Committee of the People’s Bank of China from 2004 to 2006". So, you might think his opinion is legitimate.

It is not.

For starters, he doesn't risk any specific level of inflation in China which would, according to his opinion, be desirable. This is typical neoliberal line of argumentation, where inflation is treated as the main factor of all the economy but no golden ratio, no concrete number, is ever given (the most neoliberals came up with was with something between 2-3% during a short period of the End of History era, in the first half of the 2000s).

Yu claims lower inflation is making China dependent on exports again, therefore inflation should go up. The problem is this assertion doesn't make any sense: currency devaluation (inflation) helps, not hurt, exports. Higher inflation also lowers domestic consumption, not helps it. Lower inflation also certainly hasn't hurt profitability in China, as they have risen by 83.4% this past semester.

China's exports aren't rising because it has lower inflation (that doesn't make any sense even by neoliberal standards): they've risen because China has grown in importance in the world, and because the pandemic has triggered a worldwide spike of imports of medical products (most of which are produced in China).

The truth behind his crazy argument comes out in this paragraph:

The lack of price pass-through — which has kept consumer inflation low — has squeezed the profits of downstream producers, even as upstream industries benefit from a sharp increase in profitability. This undermines consumption, investment and, ultimately, economic growth.

And for what? As a developing economy with a per capita income of just over $10,000, China can tolerate higher inflation better than developed economies can. Given this, the Chinese government should be working to boost consumer inflation by embracing much more expansionary fiscal and monetary policies.

So, long story short: China should voluntarily fall itself into a Middle Income Trap, because, otherwise, Western economists are going to be humiliated once again and, worse, China will really become a superpower (and not one of those false hope pretenders of the past, such as Brazil, Russia, South Africa, India and Turkey). If high per capita income is the problem, then why doesn't he prescript higher inflation for the USA (per capita income USD 50,000.00) instead?

Posted by: vk | Jun 27 2021 15:33 utc | 4

What a joke.. you're expected to join if you have shortness of breath, which in the Delta variant case is the 30th most recorded symptom (and probably means you are almost dead).
see here a 14'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ype5IKRSvA0

Posted by: Mina | Jun 27 2021 15:46 utc | 5

thank you b... i appreciate the different articles you share...

@ 1 shom... i hope it works out for india.. modi is a very polarizing figure and many say he the prime conduit for a very neo-liberal agenda forced on india..

@ max... check the open thread.. i thought about your questions some more and tried to give a more satisfactory answer to them.. cheers...

Posted by: james | Jun 27 2021 15:46 utc | 6

I know that focus on US problems isn't always what should happen on these week-in-review open forums, but given the scope of the problem it would be remiss not to mention the ongoing tragedy in Miami. Here is one of the latest reports, in my truncated version:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/
Theories-abound-on-why-a-Florida-condo-high-rise-16275822.php

I will note several things I learned elsewhere. (Sorry I can't pinpoint where as I was reading as much as I could last night.) First, what stands out for me is that not mentioned in this article is the fact that the huge condo complex is located at the edge of a barrier island. This I had not realized. And further, in another article it was claimed that these islands should never have such huge structures built on them as they are basically compressed sand and have been discovered to shift, much as sand dunes on land do.

Further, the condos run somewhere about $700,000 per unit. And further to further, there are a lot of them stretching up both coasts of that barrier island east of Miami. Here's a part of a comment from the article linked by Greg Schlesinger, an attorney specializing in construction defects: "You think this is unique? No."

And finally, hope is diminishing for the victims. There will be a large loss of life. And it being Sunday of All Saints in my church, my prayers are with them and with their families.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 27 2021 15:51 utc | 7

https://sputniknews.com/asia/202106271083252638-emaciated-kim-jong-un-leaves-everyone-in-north-korea-heartbroken-state-media-claims/

I tell you,something's going on in NK. Maybe they are starving to death and Fat Boy is setting an example. I think they should release balloons over NK with chocolate replicas of him. That would be interesting.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 27 2021 15:58 utc | 8

Mina@ 5

Yes. The RCT is organized by Oxford. Oxford is the source of and the other name for the Astra Zeneca vaccine. Astra Zeneca is the Wallenberg family. No conflicts of interest here. Like all covid treatments ivermectin works best if used early. Sign up for the trial as you approach death.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 27 2021 16:01 utc | 9

first time an Egyptian president goes to Iraq in 30 years
https://news.yahoo.com/egyptian-jordanian-iraqi-leaders-meet-135921035.html

Posted by: Mina | Jun 27 2021 16:02 utc | 10

oh, i'm experimenting homeopatic doses of you know what. it is going to be wide in Europe when the Euro championship is over and ppl start to travel back to their countries. It is a travel hub everywhere here and since I don't drive and prefer taking public transportation, i guess it is better to be cautious.

Posted by: Mina | Jun 27 2021 16:04 utc | 11

. . .from NATO, a Defender encore?
NATO Allies and Partners Ready for Exercise SEA BREEZE 21
Standing NATO Maritime Group 2 will take part in the exercise, which will begin on Monday, June 28, 2021 and run through July 23. Co-hosted by the Ukrainian Navy and the U.S. Navy's Sixth Fleet, the annual bilateral exercise aims to strengthen maritime security in the Black Sea region. . .Since Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014, NATO has increased its presence in the Black Sea. NATO supports Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders, extending to its territorial waters. NATO does not and will not recognize Russia's illegal and illegitimate annexation of Crimea and denounces its temporary occupation. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 27 2021 16:07 utc | 12

Yu Yongding, an eminent figure in Chinese banking, in both the academy and in the People's Bank of China, wrote (as cited above,) "The lack of price pass-through — which has kept consumer inflation low — has squeezed the profits of downstream producers, even as upstream industries benefit from a sharp increase in profitability. This undermines consumption, investment and, ultimately, economic growth.

And for what? As a developing economy with a per capita income of just over $10,000, China can tolerate higher inflation better than developed economies can. Given this, the Chinese government should be working to boost consumer inflation by embracing much more expansionary fiscal and monetary policies."

Yu contrasts the sharp increase in "upstream" industries with those "downstream." Thus, it is not clear the citation of high profits in major industrial prices even addresses Yu's claims. This is doubly true because the year over year comparison of profit rates means comparing the rise to the economic doldrums of last year. The key point, is that Yu is claiming signs of decline in profits in consumer goods industries. The suggestion that the currency should be inflated rather than the wages increased is typical of capitalist roaders I think.

The notion of a middle income trap I think is bourgeois academic nonsense, that tries to imagine anything other than the natural tendency of the rate of profit to fall is responsible for the relatively shrinking pie. Capitalist ideology says growth is natural and forever and therefore capitalism can only be failed...but that's ideology, not fact.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 27 2021 16:15 utc | 13

I divide the "miracle drugs" saga in two phases:

1) in the heat of the pandemic, when vaccines were still in development, the world middle classes of the First World fanatically campaigned for the end of lockdowns and for the mass prescription of HCQ to the working classes, so that small and medium businesses could go back to work immediately. The logic was simple: from a French charlatan, they propped up the cheapest drug they could find so they could created a plausible deniability narrative to essentially put the working classes to the Russian Roulette of COVID-19 (while they, petty bourgeoisie and middle class white collar workers, stayed safely in their homes, "working" from their laptops); put in simpler words, it was a reaction of the middle classes against the capitalist class, at the cost of the working classes;

2) after vaccines were approved and started to gain traction, the cause was then directly picked up by the pharmaceutical lobbyists of these drugs. These pharmaceuticals (or even other capitalists from other sectors) then started to do the bread-and-butter operation of coopting charlatans from the field of medicine to do their bidding through shadowy NGOs - the traditional color revolutionary modus operandi you all know.

The transition from phase 1 to 2 is perfectly illustrated by the fall of HCQ and the rise of Ivermectin. The FLCCC itself was propping up HCQ, then, when it was demonstrated to be a complete farce, suddenly started to prop up Ivermectin - the next "miracle drug" in the line.

Those miracle drugs don't make any sense. First of all, you would have to take them every day (because they "prevent" COVID-19, they do not cure it) - by this logic, it makes much more economic sense to simply take the vaccine (two doses for at least six months immunization). Secondly, they're not cheap: they look cheap now (from the point of view of a member of the middle class from a First World country) because nobody is falling for this bullshit; if everybody fell for it, prices would skyrocket, black market prices enforcing themselves (those would greatly spike the profit rates of the companies that produce them). Thirdly, if taken at the dosage and frequency that would be needed, they would cause grave side effects including death - risks that are objectively far greater than even the worse vaccine in this department (Pfizer).

Posted by: vk | Jun 27 2021 16:17 utc | 14

Recommend reading it: on the fallacy of the recent rising wages in the USA:

Inflation, interest rates and debt

The prospect of higher wages sounds like good news for layers of workers previously on minimum wage levels or even below. But higher wages are a monetary or prices illusion if at the same time prices for food and other necessaries start to rise sharply. And they are. The official US inflation rate hit 5% yoy in May. This was the highest reading since August 2008. It’s the same story in the UK and Europe, even though the level of inflation is only about 2% a year there, that rate is the highest for over seven years.

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@ Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 27 2021 16:15 utc | 13

Even Yu's "downstream" hypothesis doesn't make any sense for his argument, because he's calling for the PBC to rise inflation by simply printing more money. Higher inflation doesn't incur on rising profits for the seller if they're fruit of simple rising of fiat currency. It does, however, benefit the financial sector (which is the sector Mr. Yu is probably working for), because the financial sector is the one who receives newly printed money first (therefore, it buys on the low and sell on the high all the time, guaranteed). It would also demolish all the historical gains in per capita income the CPC has struggled decades to build.

China certainly doesn't have a high per capita income problem. The CPC itself states China still is an underdeveloped country - and the numbers corroborate with that. Why not call for more inflation in the USA, which has 320 million inhabitants receiving USD 50,000.00 each? The only explanation here is that bourgeois economists have already ingrained in their minds the Middle Income Trap must be true (when it clearly isn't - if it was, Yu wouldn't have to publish those kind of op-eds in The Japan Times begging the PBC to make it so).

Posted by: vk | Jun 27 2021 16:28 utc | 15

. . .latest on JCPOA, it's all on Iran of course:
>Iranian Parliament Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf has announced that Iran’s three-month deal with the UN nuclear watchdog has expired and thus Iran won’t give its data recordings to the UN body.
>U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Friday that the absence of an interim agreement to monitor Iran’s nuclear activities could prompt the United States to abandon efforts to rejoin a nuclear deal.
> Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian on Friday said France was waiting for Iran to take the last-step decisions needed to breathe new life into Iran's 2015 nuclear deal.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 27 2021 16:41 utc | 16

The Five Eyes and EU have reached a strategic inflection point and need to face reality to change. No more imperialism and enslavement. The Empire has been free-riding and freeloading for more than 76 years.

There is no power without economic power. The Financial Empire has turned the West into its private plantation and pursued monetary imperialism. The West has served the Empire as its oligarchs and elites are part of this empire and get the top layers. However, it has reached its critical limits internally and externally. Internally, it can’t inflate its economies without social challenges and manufacturing capabilities. There is too much polarization and privatization. It has ran out of luck and isn’t getting new innovations. How will it drive its economic well-being in a plantation?

The world of Tomorrow will be very different than the world of the past 30 yrs. In 1945, the Financial Empire was more than 50% of the global gdp with just 10% of the population. Since then the trajectory has been downhill, reaching around 39% in 2020 and the U$A around 22%. In the case of the U$A it has halved in the last 50 years. Major structural forces are at play and these number will go down further. What will be its global gdp share by 2030 & 2050? Its days of issuing global IOUs are coming to an end. Wars with big powers like China and Russia is not a good option. The theatrics (G7 circus,...) of Empire’s lackeys aren’t winning the global populace and its credibility and legitimacy is gone.

Multipolar, multiculturalism, and multilateralism demands a new MINDSET. No more monetary imperialism. Please define the new global leadership mindset.

"In times of change, learners inherit the Earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists."

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 16:48 utc | 17

As we get closer to the 20th anniversary of 9-11 (now 11 weeks away), we should expect to see loads of 9-11 propaganda.

In that regard, I had a conversation with john about Israel's culpability in 9-11 that might interest some moa readers. Most relevant parts: Jun25 14:58 #133, and Jun25 19:22 #143.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2021 16:50 utc | 18

Max @Jun27 16:48 #17

The Empire has been moving to meet the challenge since at least 2014. You seem to think they just woke up and will be forced to roll over any day now. The reality is that the Empire is stressed but not on the ropes. Cold War II is likely to last many years.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2021 16:56 utc | 19

. . .spoil-sports
Press Release, June 25, 2021

WASHINGTON, D.C. – In advance of the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) centenary celebration on July 1, 2021, Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-WI) today introduced a bipartisan resolution highlighting the CCP's 100 years of human rights abuses against its own people. The resolution, co-sponsored by Reps. Ruben Gallego (D-AZ), Michael McCaul (R-TX), Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ), and Elise Stefanik (R-NY), Jared Golden (D-ME), and Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA), includes dozens of abuses dating back to 1930.

"For the last century, the Chinese Communist Party has repeatedly violated basic human rights and brutalized its own citizens," said Rep. Gallagher. "The story of the Party is one of repression, torture, mass imprisonment, and genocide. This centenary is not a cause for celebration--it is a time to reflect upon the egregious acts the Party has committed and honor the tens of millions of victims who suffered under the Party's cruel regime." . .here

Isn't it odd that over a hundred million Chinese travel overseas, and return, every year.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 27 2021 17:08 utc | 20

What if there is no real pandemic and it's main purpose is cover for genetic experimentation (transhumanism)?

"Genetic determinism: the belief that an individual’s character, thoughts, and actions are the result of his genes."

"The genetics on which the vaccines are based occupy a distinct philosophic position: our thoughts and actions are the effects of our genes; scientists can interfere with that structure and replace it with another genetic framework, which in turn will impose new all-consuming actions, thoughts, and biological alterations upon us."

“Jesse Gelsinger was 18 years old when he volunteered for a clinical trial at Penn State to test the effect on GT [gene therapy] on a rare metabolic disorder called OTC Deficiency. Within hours of being infused with ‘corrective genes’ encased in weakened adeno-virus, Jesse suffered multiple organ failure, and days later, his blood almost totally coagulated, swollen beyond recognition, and brain dead—he was taken off life support.”

“ 'Even if half the world’s species were lost [during genetic experiments], enormous diversity would still remain. When those in the distant future look back on this period of history, they will likely see it not as the era when the natural environment was impoverished, but as the age when a plethora of new forms—some biological, some technological, some a combination of the two—burst onto the scene…'
- Gregory Stock, former director of the program in Medicine, Technology, and Society at the UCLA School of Medicine"

Freedom vs. The Machine; geneticists and their weapons by John Rapport

" I did a lot of work in MS, which is a real genetic disease. My take on that is that there are genetic diseases. GT is in theory something to be looked at but at the same time we have to say that there isn't a single case of any genetic therapy that has ever worked successfully. Not one."

The Machine Model Of Biology, Denial of The Mystery, Biological Reductionism, And The Scientist Who Tried To Warn Us: Interview With Richard Strohman (emeritus professor of molecular and cell biology at the University of California at Berkeley, who died on July 4, 2009, at the age of 82

Posted by: ADKC | Jun 27 2021 17:22 utc | 21

@ Jackrabbit (# 19),

“The Empire has been moving to meet the challenge since at least 2014.” Nope. The Financial Empire has been working to build a global empire for many centuries and its plan of challenging China and Russia was finalized around 2010. However, it is failing and falling apart. It didn’t achieve success in Ukraine (2013), Syria (2016), Bolivia (2019), Venezuela (2018), Belarus (2020), Nord Stream 2 (201x) and in the China trade deal (2019). It has ran out of luck?

“Cold War II is likely to last many years.” This is a mistaken or misleading assumption. A BLACK SWAN event can bring it down. Off course, the Orcs of the Empire want time to fool the world. However, a reckoning with reality is on deck! How much later is a very good question. What will happen to the Financial Titanic?

"Rome has grown so much from its humble beginnings that it is now overwhelmed by its greatness."
– Titus Livius

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 17:33 utc | 22

How did the CIA fail in Hong Kong? An answer from a New Zealander. . .here. . .IOW they should have had snipers on the roof-tops creating casualties as at Maidan, Kiev?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 27 2021 17:34 utc | 23

Don Bacon @12:

I'm not to impressed by SEABREEZE. 32 ships from 32 countries? That's a regatta, that's not an exercise.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jun 27 2021 17:40 utc | 24

@ Posted by: donkeytale | Jun 27 2021 17:22 utc | 21

No. You're 100% wrong.

Inflation is used by the capitalists to erode real gains of wages in a fiat currency system. The author of the op-ed I quoted explicitly called for more inflation, not currency devaluation, so there's your first lie. He explicitly mentions China's per capita income is too high for his taste, therefore the PBoC should rise inflation to curb it. My point is he's defending that by stating light industry would profit more from that, but that's not true: it would rise financial profits for sure, and profits overall only if that results in falling wages in real terms. That he's singling out small and medium businesses is a clear sign he knows he's advocating for impoverishing the Chinese working classes (hence a "pro-medium class" line of defense).

Inflation only hurts the capitalists when it is galloping. Even when it reduces the spread, it is usually carefully calibrated by the central banks so that this loss is more than offset by the gains through rising exploitation of labor.

The author himself brought up the export argument, not me. I argued this argument is bullshit because exports rose simply because the rest of the world needs vaccines and needs other medical products and equipment - most of which are produced in China - not because the PBoC allegedly curbed inflation.

So, to sum it up, you're being dishonest: you're transferring all the defective parts of Mr. Yu's argument as if they were my own while purifying his argument in the process. You also commit the American exceptionalist fallacy of mechanically transferring the domestic situation of the USA to China. And even then you do the job wrong: read the second article I linked. The numbers don't lie: wages grew in the USA because the lower paid workers were laid off, while the labor aristocracy somewhat managed to negotiate some gains. The wage structure of the USA shrunk from its base, giving the illusion Americans are living better than before the pandemic. Either way, this has nothing to do with higher inflation in the USA (it has to do with the collapse of Toyotism). This illusion will dissipate once the unemployment checks stop flowing.

Posted by: vk | Jun 27 2021 17:43 utc | 25

ADKC @ 22

Whitney Webb has more on the matrix, err, I mean, topic.

Posted by: john | Jun 27 2021 17:45 utc | 26

@ Don Bacon (# 24),

The Financial Empire failed in Hong Kong (2019) too!

In Ukraine, the intelligence agencies were with the Empire letting the snipers hide. Were they snipers too? In Hong Kong, that wasn’t the case and snipers would have been taken out.

All the pillars of the Empire are fully surrounded and being dismantled! NO SUCCESS. Its Orcs will pay their LIABILITIES. It is very dark in the land of Mordor. There is no darkness only ignorance.

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 17:46 utc | 27

Hassler@25

Do not underestimate the danger posed by the SEABREEZE NATO naval exercise in the Black Sea. I would fear a repeat of the HMS Defender incursion, but by a flotilla of NATO ships. This, obviously, would be a huge escalation of tension. Russia either allows it to happen (a great loss of face after their actions against the Brutish ship), or moves against the flotilla. I wonder if they would include a Ukrainian naval vessel? Since it is not NATO, Russia could probably hit it hard, but even that carries great risk.

Posted by: Simplicius | Jun 27 2021 18:02 utc | 28

Transhumanism really is and leads to subhumanism -- of all parties concerned.

Posted by: Tranahoomanismé | Jun 27 2021 18:13 utc | 29

Marx didn't even create Marxism, if any, it was Engels.

The historical Marx never had enough money or time to finish a closed system of thought to the end.

Posted by: Marx | Jun 27 2021 18:15 utc | 30

@ JH 25
I'm not to impressed by SEABREEZE. 32 ships. .

Yes, mostly these are PR events with misleading headlines to make it look like a gallon event instead of a teaspoon one. Like the news on the 2020 Malabar Exercise in the Indian Ocean which was supposed to shiver China, unless a reader scans down to the actual numbers. The first Malabar exercise last year had this lineup of 7 Ships: Australia 1, India 4, Japan 1, US 1. . .(China has over 300 naval warships.)

. . .and part of it, in the Black Sea, are the Montreux Convention restrictions
wiki: A number of highly-specific restrictions were imposed on what type of warships are allowed passage. Non-Black-Sea powers willing to send a vessel must notify Turkey 8 days prior of their sought passing. Also, no more than nine foreign warships, with a total aggregate tonnage of 15,000 tons, may pass at any one time. Furthermore, no single ship heavier than 10,000 tonnes can pass. An aggregate tonnage of all non-Black Sea warships in the Black Sea must be no more than 30,000 tons (or 45,000 tons under special conditions), and they are permitted to stay in the Black Sea for no longer than twenty-one days.

So we need to see if they are going for Defender 2.0, is about all.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 27 2021 18:18 utc | 31

Is Biden’s domestic violence policy targeting individuals unconstitutional? Biden says “domestic violent extremists [DVE]” include individuals who “take overt steps to violently resist, or [to] facilitate the overthrow of, the U.S. government in support of their [individual or group] belief that the U.S. government is purposely exceeding its Constitutional authority.”

I cannot recall a domestic overt step, even one involving extremism (violent or peaceful), promoted by patriots, that has been designed to overthrow the US Government? Patriots sometime conspire to force the leadership of the USA to take steps to bring the government itself, into compliance with its own Constitution? USA governed Americans love their constitution and often become concerned the government does not abide by the constitution it is suppose to be an expression of.


I am interested to hear what the bar thinks about Bidens proposed domestic violence policy..

Posted by: snake | Jun 27 2021 18:36 utc | 32

snake,
Seems to me that the US is not bothered by domestic violence in a lot of other countries. There are several reports that in fact say they encourage it.

Posted by: arby | Jun 27 2021 18:47 utc | 33

Simplicius @30:

These are the participants:
Albania, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, France, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Morocco, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Senegal, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Britain and the United States.

Many of them (most?) aren't even NATO countries. The debacle following a Defender-style provocation would be a PR disaster. The planing a nightmare -- would you trust Pakistan to go along?

Of course the Brits will do it again, as I pointed out in a previous thread they have been at it for at least a decade, but during SEA BREEZE? Highly unlikely.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jun 27 2021 18:47 utc | 34

@ snake 34
What are you quoting Biden from?
The National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism is out and its prelude is on domestic violence -- "safeguarding bedrock American civil rights and civil liberties" -- not government overthrow.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 27 2021 18:52 utc | 35

@donkeytale 22 : well written, vk is a biggot, he always consider parts of picture to assert the truth he wishes.

China has 300% GDP debt, most hidden in the National societies and regional governments. Couple this with the aging population, the future is bleak; irrelevant of short term benefits. Remember the crisis in Thailand in the year 90. Some years of high inflation will hurt the working class but no so much as 50 years reimbursing past debt. Inflation is only absolutely detrimental when the debt is labelled in foreign currency but China debt is mostly in Yuan.

Some years of high inflation now, will whitewash this debt. My father bought a house over 20 years in the 1975, reimbursement was 30% of his salary. But then came 6 years of high inflation in the 1980, some years above 15%. When situation stabilized, the reimbursement was 6% of the income.
Inflation basically stole the possession of current generation and protect the income of the next. This is not true if the debt is foreign labelled.
High inflation would not affect that much the US since the debt is labelled in $. It will cripple all those who detains bonds in $.

Posted by: murgen23 | Jun 27 2021 18:54 utc | 36

@ JH 36
News report: ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Navy will participate in the upcoming naval exercise 'Sea Breeze 2021 (SB21)' as an observer. [seriously]

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 27 2021 18:58 utc | 37

Yasha levine says Ivermectin is unproven. Really! Here is an extract from a report into the effectiveness of ivermectin.. "In a much larger follow-up observational
controlled trial by the same group that included 1,195 health care workers, they found that over a 3-
month period, there were no infections recorded among the 788 workers that took weekly ivermectin
prophylaxis while 58% of the 407 controls had become ill with COVID-19. "

The full study can be read here.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-COVID-19.pdf
The inconsistency regarding Cuba's non use of ivermectin is interesting however. Indeed it applies to Russia and China too.
Areas of Mexico and India have achieved astounding success with ivermectin.

Posted by: Ike | Jun 27 2021 19:10 utc | 38

@ snake (# 34),

The U$A administration violates the constitution when it come to the MONEY, and let private banks create majority (90+%) of money. Where’re the U$A’ens to address this fraud? Our challenge is to install a government that SERVES the populace. We don’t have a government but an administration that rules the people.

What % of Biden’s administration is from the CFR & Bilderberg groups? 100%? Whoever calls a PRIVATE PLANTATION a nation is LOST.

The Dollar Empire is taking water (DEBT) at an exponential rate. Just take a look at this image of its debt buyers and see its Financial FRAUD. It has lost all its integrity and credibility. This is unsustainable. When will this Financial Titanic break? Change comes as a complete surprise.

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 19:13 utc | 39

..unfortunately a lot of fatal action coming up in Afghanistan

Article III, section 3 of the U.S. Constitution defines treason against the United States as consisting “only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.” . . .That position is probably universal.
When the U.S. loses a war, as it always does, the traitors who assisted the US pay a high price. This especially includes the translators and interpreters who were essential aids to U.S. military. Interpreters are not just communicators, but in many ways the eyes and ears of their teams. They notice cultural cues that might be lost on American service personnel, saving American lives.
Historically, the United States has repeatedly abandoned its local partners. Only 1,500 of the roughly 70,000 Montagnards who fought with the United States in Vietnam were allowed to resettle, and the Iraqi Kurds who were called on to rise up against Saddam were initially left to fend for themselves after the first Gulf War.
Since the United States left Iraq, hundreds of U.S. interpreters and their families have been killed, some after enduring brutal torture. They were, and are, being murdered because they helped U.S. forces.
And now it's happening in Afghanistan. Thousands of Afghan interpreters, who helped the U.S. military in its two decades in the country, are at risk. Already there are about 18,000 Afghans who have indicated they want to move to the U.S. for safety; this doesn't include their families.
It's not only translators and interpreters. . . news report: "An Afghan who spent five years working at a French military warehouse near Kabul has been shot dead by the Taliban, relatives said Friday, as fears mount for thousands of locals at risk of reprisals from the insurgents.". . .(They are not really "insurgents" of course. If they were allies they'd be freedom fighters.)
There are important lessons here for people in other countries; when the U.S. comes knocking for allies don't answer. . .more here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 27 2021 19:14 utc | 40

@ all
Commenting VK Bullshit on Covid?
VERBOTEN!

VK uber allen

Posted by: TRUTH1 | Jun 27 2021 19:15 utc | 41

Entschuldigung
VK über....

Posted by: TRUTHAHN | Jun 27 2021 19:17 utc | 42

@ donkeytale (#37) & murgen23 (#39),

How much money has been created in the U$A this year, last year, last decade and since 2001? How about since 1914 & 1796? How many years has the U$A being running trade deficit? How big? Let’s see reality.

What are the core values and development themes of your nation? If you can’t state them then your private plantation is LOST.

“China has 300% GDP debt,” who are the holders of this debt? If China’s entities, then not a problem. China has a positive trade balance. Similarly, Russia, Japan, Germany has good positive trade balance.

The Dollar Empire is taking water (DEBT) at an exponential rate. Just take a look at this image of its debt buyers and see its Financial FRAUD. The foreign countries aren’t investing in the UST-bonds at a high rate. It has lost all its integrity and credibility. This is unsustainable. When will this Financial Titanic break? Change comes as a complete surprise.

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 19:22 utc | 43

Don Bacon @40:

I know they will participate in SEA BREEZE, but do you think they will sail on Crimea under the flying flag of their former colonial master? How about make Russia an enemy? I certainly don't.

If the US/UK where planning anything provocative they would be mad. [Yea, I know, case could be made that etc etc.]

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jun 27 2021 19:27 utc | 44

This reminds me of HCQ. Last October several hospitals in the Netherlands had found positive effects of HCQ in some study. Predictably we have never again heard of it.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2351726-discussie-over-hydroxychloroquine-krijgt-nieuwe-impuls.html

In my opinion the right scientific attitude would be to grab such results and build on them. Instead we see random "scientific" studies that don't look at combinations with other medicine and that sometimes have a dosage that seems wrong.

Unfortunately in the case of medicine the "free market" model of ideas has been deserted and we face a kind of hierarchical communism.

Posted by: Wim | Jun 27 2021 19:30 utc | 45

DELTA [INDIA] VARIANTE

India facts

Population
1,400,000,000.
Coronavirus Cases:
30,276,685 (≈2% population, probably 5 times more, asymptomatic + not tested)
Deaths
396,636 ( less than 2% of thick people)
Recovered:
29,297,755 ( more than 98%)

Is Ivermectin working? HCQ? Pfizer? Or just Life...

Posted by: TRUTH2 | Jun 27 2021 19:34 utc | 46

Read the article by Karaganov. I would like to see a translated version, because the machine translated one certainly made a lot of nuances to his argumentation to vanish.

There's one little big problem with Mr. Karaganov's argument: you can't just create an ad hoc ideology just to keep a nation-state's national security interests going/alive. That's not how ideologies appear and disappear in History.

An ideology only becomes hegemonic when it is properly sustained by a durable material base. The Bolsheviks didn't just come op with Communism because they realized its propagandistic potential, but because it made sense and because it could guide them to concrete policies that would result in a plus for the USSR. The same is true for Democratic Liberalism in the USA, which was the ideological front for the American Empire's Open Door policy (demolish the old colonial powers, dispute with the USSR in the ex-colonial nation-states). Put in simpler words, there comes a time an ideology has to deliver on the economic front, otherwise, it will collapse as fast as it rose.

I hope Russia doesn't take a too mechanical concept of ideology. Otherwise, we would be risking the rise of a neo-fascist Russia in the future, based on Alexander Dugin's ideology. This would certainly lead the Russian Federation to defeat against the American Empire.

Also (and this may be a failure of the machine translation), Karaganov falls into a contradiction with himself: in two or three occasions he calls the USSR an empire, but in some other two or three occasions he clearly states that one of the main factors that contributed to the fall of the USSR was that the non-Russia part of it was a drag to its resources, eventually bankrupting it. That explanation does not fit with an empire; empires do the exact opposite: they drain the resources of the periphery in order to feed the metropolis (center). So, actually, Karaganov proves the USSR was not an empire.

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@ Posted by: donkeytale | Jun 27 2021 19:37 utc | 50

Again, you're insisting on universalizing the situation of the American working class to the whole world.

In the USA, your logic may make some practical sense because the American working class is nowhere near under the levels of exploitation of the working classes from the Third World nations. An American worker, provided he isn't some complete homeless junkie, will never have to worry to ever go through hunger or some other kind of basic physiological deprivation (until he or she becomes old enough to need healthcare, but, by then, he or she will already be very old). Also, American workers - no matter how low their wages - still receive their wages in USDs. The USD will always retain some serious purchase power because we live in the USD Standard.

However, in practice, inflation only hurts the capitalists if it spirals out of control. If it is just high, the capitalists have more than enough time to freeze wages and recoup in the productive sphere what they lose in the financial sphere. Say some worker get a 1% wage increase; the capitalist can compensate this 1% loss by simply freezing his wage for the next five years while inflation eats all the worker's gains.

Besides, you're ignoring the fact that there are negative interest rates: in very dire times, the Fed can simply give free financing to the capitalist class through real negative rates (de facto NIRP). This - combined with the USD Standard - results in a situation where the capitalist class essentially receives free, unlimited financing. All of that, coupled with some austerity approved by the Congress, results in not just free and unlimited financing - but free and unlimited financing at the cost of the taxpayers.

The Bolsheviks annihilated the Tsarist financial sector through extreme hyperinflation. But that situation was different because, in the RSFSR, there was a true proletarian government in power, a communist party with absolute power under strict proletarian control. In such situation, there was not much the financial sector and the creditors could do. That's certainly not the situation of the USA, which has a capitalist party with absolute power, where the capitalist class governs absolutely.

Posted by: vk | Jun 27 2021 20:10 utc | 47

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 16:48 utc | 17

Good post. I would add "fragmentation" to the polarization and privatization that's now too baked into the internal systems for any future rapprochements. Of course, fragmentation within the core of the imperium is part and parcel of de-centralization/privatization in late-stage market/financial services oriented capitalistic empires. The populace is polarized, trust in institutions is at an all time low and algorithms are driving people into their own preferred echo chambers. I just read the other day that something like 50%+ of Americans get their "news" from Facebook.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 20:25 utc | 48

@vk -

I think you may be overestimating the conditions for the average American low-wage worker or gig economy contract-less contractor.

A large number of Americans including children can't afford food. And that's pre-pandemic.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 20:29 utc | 49

vk

For the US, inflation is the only way to improve their debt to GDP or dept to asset ratio. Say a 10,000 dollar loan is taken out when a years salary is 10,000 dollars, that loan is equal to the years salary. 10 years down the track, if inflation has pushed that same salary up to 10,000 dollar, then that 10,000 dollar loan is only one tenth of a years salary.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 27 2021 20:32 utc | 50

As said DownSouth #2


I don’t know why you even mention COVID-19. Your moderation is so heavy handed that it makes frank discussion impossible.

I tried but mistaken posted on Brits thread
~~~
@ vk | Jun 27 2021 16:17 utc | 14
It's really unfair to call
Pr. Didier Raoult a "charlatan".
When/as YOU know, we are deleted or banned.
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/
He is a Medic (a great one) for 40 years, far away from a TVtalkinghead.

You can "private" BShitting forever.
And even don't worth a comment
~~~
And what's up Doc VK about India?
Home of Delta Variant. You alert us A FEW WEEKS AGO for a deadly tsunami and....
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

Posted by: TRUTHAHN | Jun 27 2021 20:39 utc | 51

murgen23

Propaganda is always forecasting gloom and doom for China's economy. US has a massive amount of dept and crumbling infrastructure.
China has I think lower levels of dept, and also a massive amount of new and near new infrastructure. Infrastructure is the foundation of economy. China's infrastructure continues to grow at a very fast rate, whereas the US spends it money on useless wars and allows the very foundations of its economy to crumble away.
US economy was built on the foundation of the massive infrastructure projects of the 1930's.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 27 2021 20:49 utc | 52

Truth2 @ 49

See first comment. Ivermectin is the medicine the West gives their dogs. Middle class in India wants remdesivir. On again off again policies from Modi and same from regional governments creates mass confusion. And still. Look at today’s number for deaths in India. Just about same as in US, allowing for four times greater population. Vaccination numbers in India are nowhere. Yes, I know the numbers are far from reliable. They are far from reliable here as well.

Yes, ivermectin is working. Even when resisted. If the middle class would rather die than use poor man’s medicine that is their problem.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Jun 27 2021 20:52 utc | 53

Our most important advantage is the confidence of the majority of Russians and the Russian elite in their moral rightness. There was no such feeling in the late Soviet society. And this was one of the main reasons for the failure of the USSR.

Interesting article by Karaganov, IMO the main idea is the same expressed by national hero the late Bodrov in his film The Brother II, yes, the one mainly filmed in Chicago.

https://youtu.be/k_TTbJPQ1c8

Truth is power.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 27 2021 20:56 utc | 54

I first heard about ivermectin via Chris Martenson's videos on covid. It was adopted by health authorities in Uttar Pradesh and Chiapas in Mexico (home of the zapatistas) last year. Are they alt-right darkweb intellectuals? Dr Lawrie ran a medical evaluation consultancy, before advocating ivermectin, not some fringe figure. The positive results from the Unitaid meta-analysis br Dr Andrew Hill for WHO were also overidden by the bureaucracy. This was happening back in January. The debate should not be about the histories of whatever prominent alt-media figures that might have started talking about it, but about the real world data.

Posted by: diagonal | Jun 27 2021 21:02 utc | 55

@ 59 paco.. i ran the karaganov article thru the translator... he seems very concerned about a possible war - and i think rightly so... he also highlights how china and russia have gotten much closer together the past decade... this seems to be the biggest underlying dynamic that could alter things going forward and create a large window of opportunity for russia and china, as opposed to the usa and west... i am sure many are thinking about how this is going to work out too..

Posted by: james | Jun 27 2021 21:04 utc | 56

@ donkeytale (#51)

Please don’t assume, generalize and group when engaging with someone. One needs to clarify, comprehend and then conclude. One can practice active listening too. Your understanding of me and what I said is incorrect. I would rather see empathy, integrity, creativity, holistic thinking,... among nations so we can TRANSCEND as a humanity (positive outlook). If the Financial Empire continue its course it will collapse (negative outlook). Yes, it can buy time through bipolar/tripolar order and continue like it did from 1947 to 1990 (neutral outlook). I don’t subscribe to only one outlook, MULTI.

I am not talking about “debt services”, but probing “China has 300% GDP debt,” statement. The questions of money creation are to raise the issue about the looting that is happening here in the U$A. I instigate “connecting the dots”, so individuals think critically. A question opens the mind, a statement closes the mind. The propagandist like the later as it doesn’t stimulate critical thinking and not the former because it debunks their propaganda.

In my comment (#17), I did refer to both the internal and external challenges, and stated,”Internally, it can’t inflate its economies without social challenges and manufacturing capabilities. There is too much polarization and privatization.” I am not ignoring the exploitation & class warfare elements. The key characteristics of our SOCIOECONOMIC system are hierarchy, polarization and exploitation.

Class Warfare defined:
The poor are expected to fall for the propaganda and fight the wars. The middle class is expected to fall for the propaganda and pay for the wars. Meanwhile the .01% (RULERS - the international financial oligarchy and their lackey elites who own the politicians, the oil companies, the military industrial complex, and the mainstream media) instigate the conflicts in the first place, orchestrate the propaganda, and profit from the wars. Every... single... time.

A member of the U$A elite said, “it is better to be poor in a rich country.” I was appalled. Welcome to the United States of Apathy. “The fact that the poor in the west are doing relatively worse than the poor in the east.” Who is living on a $1 per day? So you are saying the U$A’en will be better off when they are paid a dollar per day (being sarcastic)? Where are our U$A’ens? How many voted in the 2020 election? They want change. Really?

Your statement, “collapse in the west will not advance the wealth in the east except maybe in relative but not real terms”, is mistaken. Please elaborate further. Every nation can create their money and invest it in their people and nation. This secret of the West is out and the East doesn’t need FDI from the West, with China and Russia. If they’re smart they will create their own money, invest in their infrastructure, capabilities and capacities, and OUTSMART the West. They need to WALL the West and collect all the liabilities, restitution and damages from colonization. The West always resorted to war in the last five hundred years. Now with nuclear weapons that is a very high cost option.

“The east doesn't wish to participate in any collapse in the integrated global capitalist economic system.” The East is benefiting from the existing system so they would rather not change it. But they do have an OPTION of going their way. They have learned from the EU (ASEAN), China’s money creation and development, Russian turnaround... The Financial Empire does control some of the Eastern elites. How long will these elites be the vassals of the West? They keep their wealth in the Western banks and then become hostage. Remember, sanctions and restrictions on oligarchs.

So between the U$A’ens doing the right thing in the U$A or the Eurasia getting its act together, the latter force is STRONGER and getting stronger?

It is time nations and individuals be SOVEREIGN.

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 21:10 utc | 57

@ OldHippie #58


Yes, ivermectin is working. Even when resisted. If the middle class would rather die than use poor man’s medicine that is their problem.

OUR PROBLEM TOO!
Unfortunately, this "middle class" is in charge of the narrative. They cost US[We, the People...] a lot, promoting any craps from BigPharma, lying live on MSM, promoting lockdown, printed money and now inflation as Miraculous Discoveries.

Posted by: TRUTH2 | Jun 27 2021 21:23 utc | 58

Posted by: james | Jun 27 2021 21:04 utc | 61

There are very many reasons to fear a hot war, just watch what happened in Crimea with the Brits and the theater of the absurd to justify a provocation, an accident could happen anytime.

Concerning being or not being an empire, as far as I know the USA did not industrialize lets say Central America like the USSR did with the republics like Uzbekistan, building what still nowadays is the backbone of their military transport aviation, the Il-76 plane in Tashkent. Now it looks a lot more like an imperialist relation with workers from Central Asia at the bottom of the ladder, in construction and janitorial jobs, like Latinos in the USA. During the USSR at least in theory all were equal and in practical terms I remember representatives from the republics in positions of responsibility, like ship captains.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 27 2021 21:27 utc | 59

@ Tom_Q_Collins (#53), Thanks. Agree & appreciate it! I will add it and modify for the future.

On a global level, the Empire wants to build a global empire if it can. It has structured its vassal countries in a way that they are dependent on the Empire and none is independent and sovereign.

On a national level for the internal system, it wants “fragmentation,” so they don’t unite and always fight each other. Divide and Rule. It wants everything privatized and controlled by its lackey elites, whose net worth is defined by its financial markets. WSJ has two news feeds, a blue feed and a red feed. Echo chambers that hide reality.

Most people are subjects of the Financial Empire and controlled by the following ENSLAVEMENT plan:

“We create all money out of thin air through your Central-Private banking system and lend it to you and your government & businesses, then you pay us interest on that money forever. We own your traitorous puppet politicians because they depend on us for campaign funds. We stage false flags all over the world in order to drag you into totally unnecessary wars based on lies, so you’ll have to blow huge percentage of your money and resources with the defense contractors we own, so you can fight our enemies for us and steal resources on our behalf. And finally, we control your education system and own your media outlets in order to keep you totally in the dark, as we systematically loot and destroy your country, en route to your ultimate enslavement. Those are the elements of our plan. Any questions?”

Are you living in a wealth or debt generation system?

Are you free or enslaved? If the latter, what is your plan to achieve freedom & build a better world?

An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic.

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 21:36 utc | 60

Sample of UK press coverage of Russia:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15382736/shocks-pipe-beatings-clamped-penises-putin-torture-dungeons-crimea/

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 27 2021 21:44 utc | 61

Journalists, the class of professional keyboard warriors of the West:

‘Many US commentators have never BEEN to countries they comment on, see entire world from Washington perspective’ – Stephen Kinzer

Dialectics: with the advent of the internet (development of the productive forces), the traditional newspapers and even TV channels started to lose money. In order to reverse that, they paywalled their websites. As a result, this only strengthened the influence of social media over public opinion, as it is patently clear nobody is going to pay to read a newspaper website. As a result of that, the Twitter accounts of these paywalled media (including here of their journalists and experts) became more important than ever, as this was the only source someone without a subscription can have of the real thing. As a result, those Twitter accounts - which should be just a supplement to the main stuff - became the main stuff. Journalism by Twitter was born, and then prospered. As a result of that, journalism became imbecilized, as Twitter is shallow by design and privileges speed over content.

Thus, what was, theoretically, the art of fact-searching, became the art of sophisticated and lying-to-the-teeth propaganda. In one century, Journalism went from one extreme (pure, boring, cold fact propagation) to the other extreme (pure, flashy, totally false propaganda).

Posted by: vk | Jun 27 2021 22:06 utc | 62

Posted by: ADKC | Jun 27 2021 17:22 utc | 22

What if there is no real pandemic and it's main purpose is cover for genetic experimentation (transhumanism)?

Maybe it’s a 2fer:

you will own nothing and you will be happy

BTW: Blackrock advises Biden at the highest levels


The Going Direct Reset


Published early in 2021

a few excerpts follow from behind the paywall:

From the FINAL THOUGHTS:

The pandemic is no different than any other major event in our mafiacracy. I hope its function as a monetary event is clear by now, as well as the ultimate goal of total control through a digital monetary system, which is coming [accompanied by the elimination of US sovereignty].

We’ll have to figure out how to counter that plan another day. In the meantime, allow me to share an insight by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., the famous American jurist of the early 20th century:

Even a dog knows the difference between being tripped over and being kicked.


The “novel” coronavirus pandemic marks the greatest turning point in U.S. monetary history since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913.

The popular notion that a virus is the original force behind the current downturn doesn’t stand up to serious scrutiny. It’s easy if not trivial to look at a timeline of monetary events and see that the official monetary response to the “coronavirus pandemic” went into effect before there even was a pandemic. This means that the monetary “response” wasn’t initiated by any virus, but by something else. As it turns out, that something else was a radical monetary plan handed to the Fed for implementation six months earlier by BlackRock. Yes, that BlackRock—the one that had a central role in the Fed’s monetary “response,” which in actuality was nothing more than the execution of BlackRock’s plan.2

To put it bluntly, the actions taken by the Federal Reserve starting in March of 2020—actions that represented a massive departure from the Fed’s responses to crises before that time3—are exactly what BlackRock told the Fed to do in Jackson Hole, Wyoming over half a year before the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic. It was in August 2019, months before the first coronavirus story broke, that BlackRock instructed the Fed to get money into public and private hands when “the next downturn” arrived—which as luck would have it occurred less than a month later.

In a nutshell, this was BlackRock’s “going direct” plan,4 and what we are going to see here is how the Fed began executing—quite successfully—that plan (which enriched billionaires) before the pandemic was declared. The WHO’s declaration of the pandemic in fact coincides to the day with the Fed’s shifting BlackRock’s plan—already up and running—from mid-gear into high-gear,

. . .

In broad strokes, the ultimate move to abandon the U.S. dollar was telegraphed by Mark Carney, [former] Governor of the Bank of England, in 2019: “The world’s reliance on the U.S. dollar won’t hold and needs to be replaced by a new international monetary and financial system based on many more global currencies.”

When that happens, it will formalize the end of the U.S. dollar as the world reserve currency as well as the end of U.S. sovereignty.[emphasis added]


The issuance by the BIS (or equivalent) of a worldwide digital currency will mark the de jure end of U.S. sovereignty, at which point the U.S. will cede her sovereignty and revert as a matter of law to her status as a colony, subject to the whims of unaccountable figures abroad.

That story is still writing itself as we speak


Posted by: pogohere | Jun 27 2021 22:14 utc | 63

@ donkeytale (#67),

You don’t come across with a good intent and it shows in your comments. This comment DEBUNKS your cockamamie opinions for others.

“Money is created as DEBT.” Any country that doesn’t subscribe to this diktat, will be destroyed by the Empire and an administration installed that will follow this order. Abraham Lincoln tried to create sovereign money, what happened. Who else? Why create money as debt? China went with it as it didn’t have a choice. Now it has a choice and if it has courage and wisdom, it must get its LOOT back. Also, Russia needs to get back its loot and all those who have suffered from the Empire. Don’t our courts demand restitutions, damages...? LIABILITIES need to be paid.

You’re talking about INFLATION, which is mainly a monetary phenomena. It is essential that you have monetary numbers to discuss inflation. I was quite sure that you don’t have facts and are just BSing. Let’s see if you can state the foundational data about inflation, “How much money has been created in the U$A this year, last year, last decade and since 2001? How about since 1914 & 1796? How many years has the U$A being running trade deficit? How big?”

You don’t come across concerned. If you did then you would be probing. One can be sure that you don’t have a clue of your plantation’s values, development themes and money supply. If you know then please state them. If you don’t know the basics about a country then don’t talk about its wealth, inflation,... First learn BASICS.

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 22:16 utc | 64

Posted by: vk | Jun 27 2021 22:06 utc | 69

I saw a different article on Friday about the fact that Western journalists no longer even go to the areas they're reporting on, especially during armed conflicts. I can't find it for the life of me, but it went into more detail. I want to say that it was at Swiss Propaganda Research's site, but nothing there jumps out at me right now and I'll keep looking for it.

However, it's strictly verboten to try to get the other side of the story as Aaron Mate and Tulsi Gabbard learned when they went to Syria.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 22:23 utc | 65

I guess it probably was SWPRS on the "propaganda multiplier" from 2019.

https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/

I'm sure someone has posted it here before, but the underlying point is that what people all over the world read in the news, particularly foreign news, is content created by the AP, Reuters or AFP.

How do correspondents under such circumstances know what the “news” is in their region of the world? The main answer is once again: from global agencies. The Dutch Middle East correspondent Joris Luyendijk has impressively described how correspondents work and how they depend on the world agencies in his book “People Like Us: Misrepresenting the Middle East”:

“I had imagined correspondents to be historians-of-the-moment. When something important happened, they would go after it, find out what was going on, and report on it. But I didn’t go off to find out what was going on; that had been done long before. I went along to present an on-the-spot report.

The editors in the Netherlands called when something happened, they faxed or emailed the press releases, and I’d retell them in my own words on the radio, or rework them into an article for the newspaper. This was the reason my editors found it more important that I could be reached in the place itself than that I knew what was going on. The news agencies provided enough information for you to be able to write or talk your way through any crisis or summit meeting.

That’s why you often come across the same images and stories if you leaf through a few different newspapers or click the news channels.

Our men and women in London, Paris, Berlin and Washington bureaus – all thought that wrong topics were dominating the news and that we were following the standards of the news agencies too slavishly.

The common idea about correspondents is that they ‘have the story’, () but the reality is that the news is a conveyor belt in a bread factory. The correspondents stand at the end of the conveyor belt, pretending we’ve baked that white loaf ourselves, while in fact all we’ve done is put it in its wrapping.

Afterwards, a friend asked me how I’d managed to answer all the questions during those cross-talks, every hour and without hesitation. When I told him that, like on the TV-news, you knew all the questions in advance, his e-mailed response came packed with expletives. My friend had relalized that, for decades, what he’d been watching and listening to on the news was pure theatre.” (Luyendjik 2009, p. 20-22, 76, 189)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 22:34 utc | 66

b

Covid-19 - Spread: [Delta variant triggers dangerous new phase in the pandemic - Science]

links to same AU piece. i think this is the correct link

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/delta-variant-triggers-dangerous-new-phase-pandemic

Posted by: r | Jun 27 2021 22:37 utc | 67

@Max Sorry, but you're not adding anything as a hall monitor.

Maybe you should chill and get to know the long-time commenters here.

I, for one, am enjoying the vk-donkeytale discussion.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2021 22:42 utc | 68

This is the playbook that has been run against the Russian people since the end of WWII...
U.S. OBJECTIVES WITH RESPECT TO RUSSIA

This was written just prior to NATO with NATO in mind. Containment by any means possible never stopped. It just changed shape after the Soviet Union fell apart. The primary desire back then is the primary desire today. Control of the Eurasian landmass.

This is achieved by the prolonged existence of war in peacetime. An oxymoron we see played out today in the Black Sea.

In the first place, this Government has been forced, for purposes of the political war now in progress, to consider more definite and militant objectives toward Russia even now, in time of peace, than it ever was called upon to formulate with respect either to Germany or Japan in advance of the actual hostilities with those countries.

Upon reading this document it is clear to me that WWIII started directly after WWII. Nothing has changed. The only difference at the time of writing of this NSC document is mutual assured destruction which only recently may have changed due to new technologies.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 27 2021 22:50 utc | 69


Some interesting comments in this thread. Responding sequentially...Most responses are not that long but there are so many this looks like a monster comment. Sorry.

I called Yu's suggested course of action typical for a capitalist roader. I did not mean this in a good way. vk is the one who thinks capitalist roaders will never get to the fork of the road where state power must be used to discipline the working class. Implicitly I called for raising wages. As to Yu's belief that it is impossible to for downstream firms to pass on rising prices, that means Yu sees deflationary pressure at work. *Deflation* I think is even worse for the working class than inflation. Besides, the chimera of a stable currency under capitalism is an ideological chimera, the anarchy of production forbids it. But then vk is fundamentally a financial reformist I'm sorry to say. vk says China doesn't have a problem with high per capita income, but under capitalism there is quite often a problem with high per capital incomes, even if objectively those supposedly high per capita incomes are not high enough to support the alleged bourgeois standard of living. That problem is, falling profits. Labeling this fact of social life a Middle Income Trap, is to pretend that such normal operations of market economies is actually the failure of the government to conduct the correct policies. Yu probably believes that capitalism merely needs a correct policy, vk seems to believe that public banking and such will give capitalism a second life that will lead China, then the world onward and upward, just like the dreams of Adam Smith.

donkeytale@21 I think meant to finish the sentence in the first paragraph "at the expense of socialism, social ownership of the means of production and planning." Or something along those lines?

At any rate, as to the question, currency devaluation=inflation, or currency devaluation=/=inflation? I think it depends on two things, first, on the relative importance of imports in the consumption of the devaluing nation. Second, on the general rate of profit. If profits are falling, either prices will fall as firms attempt to maximize profits, or limit production to what can be sold at nominal prices. Another way of putting it is that the quantity theory of money is wrong, the effect of changes in the quantity of money depend upon the so-called velocity, which is an independent variable, not a constant.

I don't think Yu was making a left-wing critique myself. The unequal exchange between advanced economies and less developed ones is I think a real thing. But then, this kind of unequal exchange takes place between cities and countryside *within* a nation as well, but no one is so foolish as to think it's the cause of the poverty of undeveloped areas, or rust belts either. That's why it is deeply reactionary to call for secession. The primary form of exploitation is still the extraction of surplus value. There is more surplus value extracted in nations with a higher organic composition of labor. This kind of imperialist exploitation cannot be remedied by currency schemes. (It's also why countries like Sweden and Switzerland are still imperialist, by the way.) Goods can be exchanged at fair market value yet inequalities will be generated, strengthened and stability undermined even as the overall level of development rises. It's just an expression here I think of why capitalism if fundamentally irrational. (And why many schemes of market socialism are guaranteed to fail, too, I think.) As to currency devaluation being a concession to imperialism, I think in real life concessions to strength must be made by the weak. So, yes, concessions, like the neocolonial concessions/SEZs may have to be made. I do still think concessions that are intended to be forever are surrender.

ADKC@22 asks a rhetorical question. The answer is, the inability of genetics to actually do anything remotely like what transhumanists may (or may not, I thought they were into craziness with computers, not genes) is precisely why nobody with actual money is conducting such a scheme. A transhumanist carrying out genetic experimentation would be analogous to Elizabeth Holmes, of Theranos, ill fame, a con artist whose only success is separating fools from their money. The quotes cited are evidence *against* ADKC's implied answer of "No." (Betteredge's Law of Headlines is possibly the only internet "law" that reliably works.)

vk@26 dismisses donkeytale's rebuttal. "Inflation is used by the capitalists to erode real gains of wages in a fiat currency system." Marx lived in vain. I'm sorry, no, the exploitation of capitalism is in production, not in financial chicanery. The central committee of nefarious capitalists are rigging the labor market by manipulating currency? This would be sophisticated thinking in a Republic studios serial from the Thirties/Forties. Not in real life, though. Again, the idea that reforming finance will tame capitalism and the classes will collaborate happily until classes just whither away is nonsense. Maybe vk is influenced too much by the very recent Michael Roberts article linked to earlier. If so, both Roberts and vk have forgotten that with inflation, the division is between creditors and debtors. Inflation favors debtors, and that includes some capitalists and some workers too, while creditors includes some capitalists. Even here, the difference in interests between petty bourgeois and haute bourgeois matter. The notion that the central bank has the awesome technical skill to calibrate the inflation rate fetishizes bourgeois economics and self image as those whose expertise rules the world. Even worse, the rate of exploitation is determined by class struggle, not decree of an omnipotent government. I've forgotten what Toyotism even is. But the idea that the problem is the exploitation of POC by the filthy whites in the USA (aside from bleaching the US working class!) means that the worst exploiters of humanity are the leeches on welfare and unemployment. And the Final Solution for capitalism is getting rid of the American working class. vk isn't into logical conclusions, so no doubt vk hasn't confronted the real meaning of some misconceptions.

donkeytale@29 is irritated it seems by vk's curt dismissals and accusations of misrepresentation (to put it mildly.) I have trouble figuring out what precisely vk is saying myself, so I think accusations of malice are obstructive. But the general idea that "socialists" will reform capitalism and that capitalist growth engine will lead humanity into the uplands and the capitalists will someday just wander off into the meadows or something, why, that's *exactly* what reformists believe, from the days of Proudhon to the Mensheviks and Social-Democrats to the innumerable breeds today. As to what Marx predicted, I think it is more precise to say that Marx demonstrated that capitalism was temporary, that the social class that had both the ability to replace it (requiring a revolution, contra the reformists,) *and* the need to create the conditions of its liberations, socialism, the abolition of classes and production for, was the proletariat (which is not just factory workers, much less just white ones.) In the optimism of the mid-nineteenth century the other possibility, the collapse of modern civilization, was famously announced by Rosa Luxemburg, "Socialism or barbarism!" Barbarism I think will be multipolar. A last point here, Orwell was a piece of shit and copying his ideas endorses his despicable "ideas." My opinion, of course, but I suggestthere's a reason Orwell is rammed down high school kids' throats.

Marx@32 is correct about the contributions of Engels who learned from businessmen and workers alike, but I would add that Marx was taught by German workers and revolutionists, by French workers and revolutionists, by English workers and revolutionists. The German League of the Just, the Communist League, the experience of the revolutions of 1848, the workers of the Chartist movement, the terrible lessons of the defeat of the Paris Commune...the role of real live workers and real life period in making "Marxism" is a study that can and has filled volumes. Marxism isn't like libertarianism, where some crank sits in a library and makes stuff up. Yes, the library work was also essential in the long run, because the lessons have to be written down. Marx is great for writing them down, not for imagining from his innate genius. But I would also like to say, Marxism is like any science, it's not closed. Closed systems are for philosophy, religion, law, you know, the inhumanities.

snake@34 imagines the people love the Constitution, which is not true at all. Otherwise, Republicans would have impeached Trump for the emoluments, something he was incontestably guilty of. They don't care about the Constitution in that case, if they even bothered to understand it. Tackling it from another end, they don't care the Heller decision was blatantly unconstitutional, arbitrarily ignoring the requirement militias be well-organized. The grounds, that people have just got the feeling that the Second Amendment, despite the plain English, means individuals have an more or less unlimited right to own guns of any kind, for any purpose. If popular feeling counts more than the Constitution, the popular feeling that *they* are voting for President should count too. By and large, Constitution worshippers are like any religious believer, they just believe what they want, and they think their opinion is right because they think they are holier than the unbelievers. They don't believe in reasons, though, those are just for losers and bad people. The righteous know them when they seem them.

donkeytale@37 is too curt I think, but I suppose the temptation to give in can feel overwhelming. I would say again, deflation and unemployment are still worse than inflation, barring true hyperinflation, which ensues basically after defeat in war (including economic warfare with an overwhelming imperialist power.) Going ape over inflation is covertly anti-worker I think. Waxing wroth with "fiat money" is close to turning into a gold bug, which hasn't been a sensible position for two centuries. (See results of British currency act or the role of the gold standard in the Great depression.)

murgen23@39 isn't using the word "bigot" in any sense I understand. vk no more likes to admit being wrong than I do (which is why I cheat and tend to limit my comments to stuff I'm right about...and speak less dogmatically, I hope, when I'm not.) The points about China's GDP debt etc. doesn't mean that China has a bleak future, strictly speaking. It's Chinese *capitalism* that has a bleak future, despite the delusions of the capitalist roaders and vk. And it is quite true that inflation helps debtors, a point vk (and Michael Roberts) has neglected. And it is true the impact of inflation also depends on the role of foreign currency in the national economy. The last point about bonds bears very strongly on fictitious capital. That's why austerity by the government to fight inflation is deemed so vital even as the Fed has been creating money by the trillions for far longer than the pandemic. And that's why I tend to see inflation fear mongers as fighting for capital.


vk@52 seems to quote a disappeared comment from donkeytale (originally @50.) That maybe is because of an aside about Dugin's ideology leading to a neofascist Russia? This seems far-fetched. The statement that ideology may be conceived by a few minds but they are accepted widely for rather materialist reasons, including the unintended collective outcomes from pursuing individual interests, is correct. It does seem to contradict the Dugin aside.

vk's attempted rebuttal is wrong. First, exploitation is not underpayment. Exploitation occurs even when the worker's commodity, labor power, is sold at the fair market price. The use of labor power produces more value, surplus value, which is the social relationship (division of labor) that underlies profit, interest, rent, etc. In a society with a higher organic composition of labor, which means more productive labor, the amount of surplus value extracted, is higher, the rate of exploitation therefore is higher. vk comes out here as an anti-Marxist who rejects the labor theory of value, a commonplace in the capitalist roader faction as I understand it. They laugh at Marx. Second, the notion that capitalists can at liberty freeze wages is not correct. Third, the negative interest rates have not been tried very much for a reason, but the limited track record they have is they don't work so well either. The irrationality of capitalism is not cured with funny money schemes. Money should become less valuable as the amount of capital increases, and the rate of profit tends to fall, to put it crudely. Panic about inflation, ordinary inflation at least, is pro-bourgeois in general, and pro-creditor specially. Third, the notion the Bolshevik party was in control fetishizes the Party. It certainly wasn't in "control" during the Civil War. And it's questionable how in control it was during the NEP and collectivization (which was a bit of peasant war, in some way,) much less during the Nazi invasion. The real thing about the Bolshevik Party was they were defeating the bourgeois and their allies on the field of battle and expropriating their property. The CPC currently is helping the emergent bourgeois domestically and allying with their old bourgeois in Taiwan and Hong Kong and Singapore as much as possible.

Tom_Q_Collins@@54 is correct. vk's position is very much about condemning the masses in the US, including or especially, the working masses, which for these purposes is bleached.

PeterAU1@57 is partly correct. Infrastructure is important, as the network effects lower the real costs of production, restoring profitability. *But,* and this is a huge but, the restoration of profitability also requires the destruction of old capital. It can be literal, as in the massive destruction of old capital in WWII. Or it can be by orderly (more or less) bankruptcy, aka, capitalist crisis, which is the normal operation of capitalism, not some inexplicable failure of liberal policy or whatever. That's why Japan, which has enormous infrastructure spending still (it was the mainstay of the Liberal Democratic Party's long rule,) has not worked. Japan is not booming. By the way, much of the infrastructure investment in the US was during the war, not the New Deal.

Paco@59 quotes Karaganov to the effect a main reason for the fall of the Soviet Union is the Russian elites *and* people lost their feeling of moral rightness. This seems implausible, not just for the ability to read the minds of many, many people forty years ago. The USSR falling because it went out of fashion is like saying socialism rose because intellectuals made it fashionable. Karaganov sounds like a fool to me.

donkeytale in the exchanges with max focuses on similarities between US and Chinese capitalists. I will only point out those similarities somehow do not extend to the capitalist business cycle. Capitalism without a business cycle seems like conceding vk's belief that with a little reform capitalism can be used to usher in the socialist millennium whereupon the capitalists will politely retire.

vk@69 I have read newspaper articles and pamphlet polemics from the early republic and from the Civil War and, for my unrepented sins, the New York Times coverage of the Bolshevik revolution (they kept reporting how Trotsky and/or Lenin had absconded with all the Tsar's gold.) The picture of sober, factual journalism is...well, I don't know where that comes from.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 27 2021 22:53 utc | 70

@14 vk

Your dismissal of physicians who are expert in fields that you are not even versed in is disgraceful. Honestly, your whole attitude to treatments for COVID-19 is the most disgusting display of ignorance I've ever seen come from you - and you keep at it, despite the efforts of some to educate you. It's thoroughly contemptible, and I can only hope for you that you have enough sense of shame to be ashamed of your various pronouncements one day.

The way you talk about a treatment needing to be administered daily - as if its effect would leave the body within 24 hours - is at the level of the dullest superstition. This is nonsense even to the most lay understanding of medicine, yet you claim as fact something that you're trying to deduce from first principles. And you lack those first principles.

If you wish to learn, a serious meta analysis of the worldwide data on Ivermectin efficacy has just been published by the American Journal of Therapeutics. This kind of analysis is what scientists use to parse data with - something that you may even have some kindred feel for, as much as you tout science and data.

Dr. John Campbell reviews the meta analysis here:
Best ivermectin meta analysis
and the report itself is here:
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 27 2021 22:55 utc | 71

@ pogohere | Jun 27 2021 22:14 utc | 70 who provided the quote

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The issuance by the BIS (or equivalent) of a worldwide digital currency will mark the de jure end of U.S. sovereignty, at which point the U.S. will cede her sovereignty and revert as a matter of law to her status as a colony, subject to the whims of unaccountable figures abroad.

That story is still writing itself as we speak
"

While the scrips are written for this to occur, I think that the China/Russia has and will continue to provide an alternative to the private cult that owns the BIS type of control.....the future here is not evenly distributed, yet.

As to whether the China/Russia axis solution, if implemented entirely, will be viewed by the West in a clear public/private finance comparison remains to be seen....and since there is so much, what would be inter-axis trade at this time, what would be the international organization controlling that interface....not the BIS, I would presume????

Interesting times in the melting pot of geo-politics...

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 27 2021 22:59 utc | 72

@Mina, 5 and oldhipppie, 9

Ivermectin, like HCQ and faviparivir, has to be part of a multi-drug regimen to be effective in treating SARS-CoV-2 - see Dr Peter McCullough's testimony to the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAHi3lX3oGM

He said that it would be unthinkable to treat cancer or HIV or Hepatitis with a single drug and the same applies to treating SARS-CoV-2.

The last Oxford study was based on the administration of toxic doses of HCQ to patients in the final stage of COVID-19 in order to dismiss HCQ so I wonder what the game plan is with this study.

Posted by: cirsium | Jun 27 2021 23:10 utc | 73

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 27 2021 22:55 utc | 78

I've hesitated to get into the ivermectin discussion up 'til now precisely because it has become so politicized (by both apparent "sides") as Matt Taibbi (and Sasha Levine in his critique) both in their own way acknowledge. Lots of money to be made in opening up new fronts in the culture wars in today's fractured/divisive online and media discourse.

On ivermectin as a *preventive* or prophylactic 'treatment' for COVID-19, I think the negative side effects probably outweigh any potential benefits, especially if taken daily. I've only scanned various studies and meta-analyses so I'm speaking from (somewhat intentional) ignorance, but it would make far more sense to me to use ivermectin in a COVID-19 positive patient after a diagnosis (or symptoms start) due to its known anti-viral mechanisms of action. In fact, around mid-pandemic, I did some reading on the history of using it "off label" for viral infections and walked away convinced it must have at least enough merit to justify further investigation. As far as prophylactic use for both preventing helminthic infestation or viral infection, it seems logical to me that it should only be done in environments where infestation/infection is highly probable (i.e., sub-tropical locations or by front-line health workers in areas where the HC system is nearing capacity due to number of COVID patients) because of the side-effects and risks they pose especially to unvaccinated individuals (and I'm not wading into the also-politicized discussion on so-called "gene editing" effects of these new vaccines).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 23:22 utc | 74

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 23:22 utc | 81

Whoops - sorry mistake in my comment. Last sentence should have been ordered differently.

I wasn't trying to say that side-effects of ivermectin are riskier to unvaccinated people. I was trying to say that perhaps ivermectin as a prophylactic makes more sense for unvaccinated front-line health workers in areas where COVID-19 is on the verge of overwhelming hospitals.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 23:25 utc | 75

Pentagon claims it has conducted airstrikes on PMF targets in Iraq and Syria, Al Qaeda's airforce is at it again...

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 27 2021 23:30 utc | 76

vk and Grieved

Ivermectin and the quinine type anti malaria medications have something in common. Ivermectin has anti inflammatory properties and Hydoxychloroquine is used to treat various auto immune conditions. The immune response is a problem with covid and will affect people differently.
There have been a number of reports of younger people taking a long time to recover from the affects of a mild bout of covid. I think this is an immune response as in auto immune conditions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 27 2021 23:34 utc | 77

@ jackrabbit (#75), no sour grapes. In the comment (#23) your misleading statements were called out. Instead of showing humility by acknowledging, you resort to attacks. Humility is a key element of integrity. The first characteristics of a deceiver is that they mislead, accuse and attack. One needs to know the basics of their nation before engaging. Individuals making absurd statements need to challenged.

“All men make mistakes, but a good man yields when he knows his course is wrong, and repairs the evil. The only crime is pride.”
– Sophocles, Antigone

Posted by: Max | Jun 27 2021 23:40 utc | 78

Also in response to Grieved (78) and cirsium (80):

After watching the YouTube meta-analysis talk and as an adjacent to cirsium's excellent point about ivermectin (or anything else) being part of a larger regimen in treating COVID patients, I'll skip to the following point in time in the video: https://youtu.be/3j7am9kjMrk?t=1108 (right click, link to video at current time)

This is when he addresses the confounding medications/nutritional supplementation that were present in numerous individual ivermectin trials. He agrees with the analysis on this point. Several of the trials were conducted with ivermectin being just one component of a treatment regimen and I'm wondering just how many of them that is. I'll need to dig deeper into the meta-analysis Grieved linked to when I have more time.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 23:42 utc | 79

Max @Jun27 23:40 #85

Sorry Max, our grapes is not my thing. You are wrong in your assessment that the Empire is on the ropes and close to falling apart. This has been discussed at moa a lot. I won't debate you about it because in my assessment you're not ready and I would just be wasting my time.

Sorry, again, that you can't acknowledge the hall monitoring.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2021 23:53 utc | 80

Correction: sour grapes

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2021 23:54 utc | 81

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 27 2021 23:42 utc | 86 who wrote
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Several of the trials were conducted with ivermectin being just one component of a treatment regimen and I'm wondering just how many of them that is. I'll need to dig deeper into the meta-analysis Grieved linked to when I have more time.
"

Thank you for your contributions. I am another MoA barfly interested Ivermectin based Covid treatment if it continues to haunt our species. I would really appreciate learning of the various components of Ivermectin based treatment regimens and look forward to your research/commenting on MoA barflies behalf...thanks!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 27 2021 23:57 utc | 82

@81 Tom_Q_Collins - "I'm speaking from (somewhat intentional) ignorance, but it would make far more sense to me to..."

You too are trying to deduce the correct answers from first principles rather than simply by absorbing the data coming from the field, from physicians and governments around the world using this medicine and reporting the results.

I suspect that most people here who have spoken positively of ivermectin are also aware of the suggested dosage. HINT: not daily.

Rather than spend time with the meta analysis, which is an interesting confirmation but not the most exciting data available, go to the FLCCC and read their suggested dosage for each of the three circumstances, as a preventive, as treatment for those presenting symptoms, and as a post-recovery dose:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

Nobody who is trying to suggest the benefits of ivermectin just woke up one morning and decided to be a champion for this medicine. For everyone, it has come from study - much of which has been highlighted and linked in these threads. You could do worse than searching that keyword here, come to think of it.

~~

Government initiatives in Mexico City crushed the virus - which was rampant - using ivermectin. Same story in India. Same story in many other countries, although those two are obviously the most dramatic to western stereotypes.

Suggested dosage varies depending on the prescribing physician, because this drug is being used in the front lines by doctors using their best judgment and adjusting based on results. Gradually some consensus is resulting:
Ivermectin Dose For COVID (Prophylaxis, Acute Disease, Long Haulers)

You don't have to try to deduce from first principles what any of this is about, what the correct approach is, or what the value of this or that substance may be. Physicians around the world are there before you, and before me, and they've done and are doing exactly those things. We can simply examine their tangible results from the field.

Ivermectin shows a global average of 85% effectiveness as a preventive from catching the disease. The protocol for this use would include various immune-boosting supplements for best practice. As a treatment, the drug most frequently seems to kill the virus in about 2 days. The protocol for that circumstance is obviously different: different dose, different frequency, different combinations. But in all cases, ivermectin is doing the heavy lifting - the protocols without the ivermectin don't have the same effect.

All you have to do is read the people who are sharing the data. It's not necessary to argue with them in one's mind, or to try to invent the wheel from scratch. It just takes reading, with an open mind.

~~

I'm starting to think for me it's time to be like Russia, and concentrate on keeping my people safe and not spend time with the war of words.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 28 2021 0:14 utc | 83

Peru: looks like the elites are going to try take power by force-- a coup. U.S. is likely involved. The strategy appears to be a stall until July 28, followed by the right wing congress appointing an interim puppet and then new elections.

Election authorities are being pummeled by the elites and their lawyers and sabre rattling military officers to NOT declare Pedro Castillo the winner: hence, the stall. A recent bombshell phone conversation exposed the plan and implicated the U.S. The link below from Bolivia's Kawsachun news details the plot and the conversation.
My guess, the life or death threats to election officials are real. The vote counters are likely feeling the heat of a gun pointed at their head... and their families.
Bottom line, the people will fight but I don't know how organized and prepared they are, nor do I know about the elites and their U.S. bosses, including U.S., CIA, in their bases and stations.

https://kawsachunnews.com/the-imminent-coup-in-peru

Posted by: migueljose | Jun 28 2021 0:27 utc | 84

Good article, I thought, by Jonathan Cook, republished at Consortium News, on how the pro-establishment left can't cope with Greenwald and Taibi's critique of the faux-progressive neolibs.

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/06/24/what-happened-to-glenn-greenwald/

Posted by: Ash Naz | Jun 28 2021 0:28 utc | 85

I read James Galbraith's "The G7 Vaccine Charade" article that Bernhard linked to, and I must say there was a real issue there that was missed: the issue is about how, despite the West's sanctimonious braying about how it will assist Third World nations battling COVID-19 outbreaks by providing vaccines, instead it is simply hoarding supplies and driving up prices for vaccines and other treatments so Big Pharma and its billionaire shareholders can profit from the spread of the disease.

The West's behaviour is now creating a situation where the disease and the vaccines and treatments for it are becoming highly politicised. Galbraith's article says the Russians and Chinese are "rushing into the breach" to supply middle and low-income nations with their own vaccines. More likely, middle and low-income countries including some EU nations have turned to Russia and China to obtain vaccines after trying to negotiate with Western nations or pharmaceutical corporations for vaccines and either being given the run-around or, in the case of Argentina and Brazil, told to turn over their national assets including their national banks to the corporations to indemnify them against possible future lawsuits.

I also read Anna Merlan's VICE article "Why Is the Intellectual Dark Web Suddenly Hyping an Unproven COVID Treatment?" that B also linked to. Reading Merlan's article, I had the feeling I had come across her kind before. I looked up some information online about Merlan and found she mainly writes on politics, crime, religion, subcultures, and women's lives. Nothing to suggest that she ever had any experience in writing on issues relating to science and medicine.

Merlan links to a double-blind randomised study done in Cali, Colombia, to support her argument that Ivermectin is not an effective treatment against COVID-19. Hmm, I guess she missed out seeing the study authors' conflict-of-interest statements in which they admit receiving grants and personal fees from GSK, Sanofi and Merck during the course of the study. She links to a second study to buttress her argument that Ivermectin is a mediocre treatment but that "study" turns out to be a review of 24 randomised controlled trials, at the end of which the "study" authors actually conclude that:

...Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

One has to ask whether Merlan even took a cursory glance at the information she was cherry-picking and assembling in order to paper over her besmirchment of Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying and their DarkHorse podcast series which I imagine many barflies here are already familiar with.

Merlan has as much credibility writing on COVID-19 and related issues for VICE as Olivia Solon did on Syria for The Guardian (and trying to sully Eva Bartlett and Vanessa Beeley as propagandists for the Syrian and Russian governments) some years ago.

Posted by: Jen | Jun 28 2021 0:30 utc | 86

Inflation has been absolutely crushing the lower third of the American working class since 2010. This inflation hasn't been showing up in the indexes as it is almost entirely driven by housing/rental prices. That is what is driving the homeless crisis, which is far worse than reported by the media. The "visible" homeless tend to be the one's with mental issues and drug problems, but they are maybe 10-20% of the actual homeless population, the bulk of which are invisible. The bulk of which also work 40hrs a week plus.

America is collapsing, being cannibalized by capitalism. If you are not seeing this it is because you are wealthy and at least for the time being insulated. Benefitting perhaps from high property values/high rent?

Posted by: Jason | Jun 28 2021 0:32 utc | 87

@89 psychohistorian

From the FLCCC prevention protocol, which I linked to @90:

Prevention Protocol
For adults > 18 years and >40 kg/90 lbs
Ivermectin 18 mg – start treatment with one dose on day 1, and then repeat weekly (every 7 days)
Vitamin D3 2000 IU (50 mcg) daily
Multivitamin 1 tablet daily
Digital thermometer optional (to watch the body temperature)

So that's pretty simple. The protocol for prophylaxis is NOT calling for any other drug to be combined, apart from immune boosters.

But I note the suggested dosage is up from what it used to be.

Dr. Syed in the second of my links is citing FLCCC at the time as calling for 0.2 mg ivermectin per kilogram of body weight (~0.45 pound) - that for example for a 90lb body would equal about 8mg.

Now they're calling for one standard dose for every body heavier than 90 pounds at 18 mg. So this is a ramp up in strength. No one in the field seems very worried about overdosing with this drug, it's been in common use for 40 years I think. However, I haven't seen anything lately to account for driving the dosage up.

Dr. Syed says in India they gave 2 hits of ivermectin at 0.15 mg per kg, and found it remained effective in the body for a month. Even so, he personally prescribes that dosage weekly. Physicians actually trying to save lives seem to prefer to err on the larger dose rather than the other way - so it seems.

Personally, I'm still working on 0.2mg per kg of body weight, once a week, but I will keep an eye open for thoughts in confirm the latest thinking on dosage.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 28 2021 0:35 utc | 88

Peru follow up
Remember that the U.S. ambassador to Peru is Lisa Kenna, a likely intelligence connected operative: she's fluent in Farsi, Arabic and Urdu, spent time in Peshawar, Pakistan. She does not speak Spanish and has no previous connection with Latin America. Kenna was implicated in the Trump Ukraine imbroglio when working for Pompeo but apparently satisfied the Dems when she through Rudy G. under the bus (easy to do, especially when you get a promotion out of it), was installed as ambassador to Peru last November and kept in that position by Blinken. My guess is that she answers to people above Blinken and Biden in the intelligence community, looks like a team player capable of making lots of things happen in Peru with the U.S. imperial military and intelligence networks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/demoralized-state-department-personnel-question-pompeos-role-in-ukraine-crisis/2019/10/07/85536c3c-e93b-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

Posted by: migueljose | Jun 28 2021 0:41 utc | 89

@ Grieved | Jun 28 2021 0:35 utc | 95 with the Ivermectin dosage component follow up

My apologies sir for being lazy in some ways and not following up on all of your well provided links and summaries....I have copied your recent comment into my saved document of Ivermectin links and such. I expect I could have the answer to my question if I had done the homework you provided....

I don't agree with you on the prophylaxis use of Ivermectin. but can't seem to find a provider in the health system in my region so am interested in pulling together a Ivermectin based treatment plan/material and so encouraged the recent commenter, Tom_Q_Collins to provide such, not knowing you evidently have done so and I missed it.

Karlof1 is another commenter that I would like to read everything he provides links to but have other priorities in my life....sigh

Onward

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 28 2021 0:55 utc | 90

@ migueljose | Jun 28 2021 0:41 utc | 96 with the welcomed ongoing reporting of South America....thanks

Reading that the U.S. ambassador to Peru, Lisa Kenna, does not speak Spanish, tells one everything they need to know about the purpose of her placement and the fact that she is a holdover from the Trump era speaks volumes about the Money Party rule in America.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 28 2021 1:03 utc | 91

@ Jackrabbit (#87), once again you continue with your misleading assertion and false accusations. Your statement, “You are wrong in your assessment that the Empire is on the ropes and close to falling apart,” is FALSE. Stop your fake accusations. Got integrity?

I shared the Empire’s failures and you can’t share its successes since 2014. What does this failings show? You have made a number of misleading statements. Is this your modus operandi?

Even some of our U$A’en and European diplomats acknowledge that the Unipolar Order is over. Here is how these diplomats frame the future scenarios:
– Complacent
– Apocalyptic
– Revisionist - Realism

My positive outlook goes with the “Revisionist” scenario and neutral outlook with “complacent”. Once again, I ask you stop misconstruing and making false accusations.

Posted by: Max | Jun 28 2021 1:17 utc | 92

Grieved @ 90, there is an important article by Sergei Lavrov on rules based order that seems unable to be linked by my computer -- here is the official tag for it. It does conclude much as you are saying above:

https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/
-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/4801890

Apologies for interrupting the invermectin informational conversation, and thanks for that - I will retrieve the actual title of Lavrov's article, dated June 28 so timed before important events to begin Monday. Perhaps it can be accessed elsewhere.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 28 2021 1:22 utc | 93

Two researchers actually went though the trouble of tracking the linkages of US and Chinese elites, rather than make ufounded statements about "single global capitalist elope class" existing. This is what they found for the US (no surprise here):

"In the case of the United States, its liberal capitalist political economy is charac- terized by a structure at the apex of which we find the oligarchic top segment of an autonomous capitalist class.19 The US political system is consequently structur- ally biased towards the interests of the corporate community, secured through a persistently revolving door and through the so-called policy planning process."

"The fact that such a large majority of top US grand strategy makers had prior ties to America’s largest transnational corporations and banks and to think-tanks funded by that same corporate community, with its clearly globalist or liberal internationalist outlook, helps to explain the world-view of this foreign policy elite and why it has, by and large, as we shall specify below, pursued a foreign policy strategy aimed at preserving a world order based upon open markets, free trade and liberal institutions, which has above all favoured the interests of US transnational capital and the corporate elite associated with it."

And China:

"In the Chinese state–society complex, primacy rests not with an autonomous capitalist class but ultimately with the state and a state class organized around the Communist Party, which is still the dominant source of power in society."

"Although the Chinese economy is rapidly internationalizing, and the leadership is strongly orientated towards capitalist development and increasingly pursues policies of liberalization and privatization — if only up to a certain point—the regime remains wedded to what we have elsewhere called a ‘state-directed’ form of capitalism, fundamentally distinct from that of the United States"

Chinese and US elites are at odds, as the US elites want to open up China and integrate into the Western-dominated financialized exploitative system. The Chinese resistance is very real, and the threat to the Western elites very real - with Russia and Iran as increasing allies. There is no "single global capitalist class" and the China / US conflict is very real.

We must also remember that China's financial system is controlled by the state, not the international banking system, and thus China can (as it has repeatedly before) manage debt problems through forgiveness, write-offs and extensions - rather than crash as has been so repeatedly predicted by simpleton analysts (ie Western economists and policy "experts"). The actions against Jack Ma were to forestall the growth of the highly risky retail lending that got the US in trouble in 2008, to stop a financial system parallel to the state, and to remind the "private" sector who is the real boss.

China is the threat both in geopolitical terms, and in ideological terms as the "successful alternative" that Western populations may not be allowed to believe in. Therefore it must be propagandistically portrayed as a monstrous place - hard when its population keeps getting richer and so many travel abroad and happily travel back home afterwards.


NANÁ DE GRAAFF AND BASTIAAN VAN APELDOORN, "US–China relations and the liberal world order: contending elites, colliding visions?
", International Affairs 94: 1, 113–131.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 28 2021 1:26 utc | 94

Here is a better link!

https://en.interaffairs.ru/article/
article-of-sergey-lavrov-russian-minister-of-foreign-affairs-
the-law-the-rights-and-the-rules/

Posted by: juliania | Jun 28 2021 1:26 utc | 95

@ juliania... here is a link to what you are trying to link to..

Article by Sergey Lavrov, Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs, “The Law, the Rights and the Rules”, Moscow, June 28, 2021

migueljose... thanks for your 2 posts on the situation in peru... it does sound like the fix is in... i hope i am wrong..

i do find it fascinating the attempts here on moa today to clear the mote out of someone else's eye, before doing it on your own... there is a famous saying about that in the bible, lol..

most entertaining quote from a post on this thread which shall go un-named! - "which is why I cheat and tend to limit my comments to stuff I'm right about."

Posted by: james | Jun 28 2021 1:35 utc | 96

The above @ 102 is a better link to the article by Lavrov I described at 100, which begins favorably on the Putin-Biden summit but describes succinctly (as only Lavrov can) the disappointing continuation after the summit of Western stubborn 'our way or the highway'attempts to upstage UN legalities [my paraphrase]. It is a clear refutation of the rules based order (with an interesting subtext of the difference between Russian usage of terms 'rule' and 'law' and the connotation of the first in English usage.)

I don't think it breaks new ground, but it does set out the western game plan, and restates redlines Russia will not cross in conclusion, clearly and definitively. And the timing of the release is, as I said, significant.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 28 2021 1:37 utc | 97

Oops, james, thanks - your comment @ 103 hadn't appeared when I posted. Thanks! Great minds think alike ;)

Posted by: juliania | Jun 28 2021 1:40 utc | 98

@ juliania... its an insightful article! thanks for sharing it!

Posted by: james | Jun 28 2021 1:42 utc | 99

@ max.... if you are still around.. i left a few comments to you on the open thread where we were previously talking.. take a look if you have a moment.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Jun 28 2021 1:47 utc | 100

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