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June 16, 2021

Summit Summary

The results of the Putin-Biden summit today in Geneva seem to be thin. The meetings were expected to last for 4 to 5 hours but ended after little more than 2 hours.

During his press conference President Vladimir Putin said that the talks were constructive. He lauded Biden as very experienced politician and said that they had two hours of face time.

There were a few results:

  • The ambassadors of both sides, who had been recalled from Washington and Moscow, will return to their posts.
  • There will be new expert rounds about cybersecurity.
  • There may be talks about an exchange of prisoners.
  • There will be new rounds about security, which means strategic nuclear weapons.

A joint statement by both sides about Strategic Stability has been posted in Russian on the Kremlin site (machine translation):

Today we reaffirm our adherence to the principle that there can be no winners in a nuclear war and should never be unleashed.

To achieve these goals, Russia and the United States will soon launch a comprehensive bilateral dialogue on strategic stability, which will be substantive and energetic. Through this dialogue, we aim to lay the foundation for future arms control and risk mitigation measures.

That is a very important result and the upcoming talks will be interesting. The U.S. will have to end its Missile Defense Program if it wants limits on any of the new strategic weapon types Russia has introduced.

But the summit did not bring any further breakthroughs or new deals.

Putin answered at length several reporter questions about the Ukraine, human rights and the Arctic. He responded to critical questions by using legitimate whataboutism to reflect the issue onto the U.S. side.

On an aggressive question about Navalny by a U.S. journalist Putin explained that U.S. law designates Russia as an "enemy" and that the U.S. finances groups in Russia like Navalny's. He is a foreign agent. On top of that Navalny's organization has called for illegal demonstrations and riots. That made his organization an extremist one that now must be dissolved. Putin mentions that the participants of the Jan. 6  U.S. Capitol storming are now processed as criminals even as they only had political demands, were unarmed and mostly not violent.

On another question about alleged Russian political unpredictability Putin responded by listing all the arms control agreements the U.S. has left as well as the U.S. led coup in Ukraine which was executed even after then President Yanukovych had agreed to all opposition demands including new elections.

The press conference of the U.S. side has as of now not begun.

Altogether there was much less drama but also fewer results than the many previews had presumed.

Posted by b on June 16, 2021 at 17:00 UTC | Permalink

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I'm glad to have heard it here first. I can only imagine what the fellators of Empire will hack up shortly. Much as I'd hoped VVP would have sucker punched that punch drunk perv, this shall have to do. Thanks.

Posted by: Bo Robinson | Jun 16 2021 17:17 utc | 1

Putin rejected claims that Russia is behind cyber-attacks. IMO the restoring of diplomatic relations (restoring ambassadors) will likely be reversed if USA declares that Russia is behind another cyber-attack.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 16 2021 17:22 utc | 2

The declaration regarding the uselessness of nuclear war is most welcome. The return of ambassadors is an indication of civility, but much more will need to be done by the Outlaw US Empire for further progress to occur. By "face-time", did Putin mean one-on-one without any minders present aside from translators? And did Lavrov converse with Blinken during that time? Here's the brief "U.S. – Russia Presidential Joint Statement on Strategic Stability" in English.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2021 17:36 utc | 3

I hope all these folks get home safely....

Thanks for the summary b and glad to read about nuclear talks going to happen....what is going to be said in those "substantive and energetic" meetings?

I think it was short because the position of Russia is not to take part in or engage in any BS sort of discussions....getting back to the substantive and energetic language

It will be interesting to see the US spin on the event

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2021 17:49 utc | 4

Yes, and note the 'unpredictability' frame was asked by the Crown's BBC/MI6. Putin's response was withering and one could feel particular heat in regards to Ukraine. Also note in the Summit room with a seat at the table was the notorious Ukraine coup plotter Victoria Nuland. Nuclear stability is a good idea, as regional stability is off the table.

Posted by: gottlieb | Jun 16 2021 17:57 utc | 5

Biden seemed reserved and straightforward in his presser without resorting to unnecessary polemics. The press tried to bait him and he refused the bait in the bits I saw. encouraging.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2021 17:59 utc | 6

They should give Assange the option of freedom in Russia. It probably can't occur because of the embarrassment it would cause the yankee regime. It could be done by the Brits (yankee satellites in any event) to offer to transfer assange to a flight to Russia (if he agrees, which I think he would for his own good.)

Posted by: exiled off mainstree | Jun 16 2021 18:17 utc | 7

Arms control that includes Missile Defense HA-HA-HA-HA ... FOX news crowd will call that appeasement / surrender. That will happen right after Biden normalizes relations with Cuba; NEVER.
Democrats are too scared of being called useful idiots.

Vlad's Golden Toilet, not in his mansion in Crimea, or any of his lavish palaces but on his .... super-plane
That's right Putin is living the life while the average Russian is living in sqalor.

There isn't even a fake picture of the 'golden toilet'.
The guys in the west running these psyops aren't even trying to be convincing anymore. They are just phoning in their B.S.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jun 16 2021 18:21 utc | 8

Seems like I heard Biden state that the way forward in Ukraine was through the Minsk agreements. Hopefully he understood that Minsk put no obligations on Russia and that the onus is on Ukraine itself.

Posted by: Woogs | Jun 16 2021 18:32 utc | 9

Captives of a Hollywood script, that is how I would characterize journalists in the USA, with their soul gathering, red lines, killer contests and a sense of impunity. Biden looked like he is trying, but constantly pushed to draw the gun. Very little will come out of this, take as an example Biden’s words about Ukraine:

We agreed to pursue diplomacy related to the Minsk agreement.

To pursue diplomacy is not to abide by an agreement endorsed by the UN Security Council.

Curiously, during Putin’s conference there was the big absence, China was not even mentioned, not so with Biden’s

Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2021 18:36 utc | 10

Putin's Press Conference transcript in Russian is available here, although it's not yet complete. It currently ends at the discussion about Navalny. The link does provide the video, however.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2021 18:37 utc | 11

@8 Putin picked up a lot of that stuff cheap when Abramovich was refurnishing his yacht.

Posted by: dh | Jun 16 2021 18:38 utc | 12

Biden said something about how the US and Russia could work together on providing humanitarian aid to Syria. Of course, he was talking about Idlib, where NATO member Turkey is aiding the jihadists, while the real humanitarian crisis is more widespread and is due to US sanctions.

Posted by: Woogs | Jun 16 2021 18:44 utc | 13

Overall, it seems like the meeting went well. However, the ACTIONS over the next few months will define the outcome.

It looks like both sides stated their respective positions and decided to work on moving forward. Joe Biden (+Blinken) and Vladimir Putin (+Lavrov) spent significant time together, resulting in less differences and further discussions.

Joe Biden’s performance in the press conference was better than Vladimir Putin. Biden summarized the meeting and then took questions. His answers were professional and focused on moving forward the relationship. Putin didn’t summarize the meeting and went into questions. Also, don’t remember any questions from Russia’s press to Biden. Putin’s answers were long and not focused on the future. He came across more as a complainer. Putin seemed to have missed an opportunity to define Russia’s expectations from the U$A. It would have been good for Putin to summarize his understanding and goals. He did talk about the Minsk agreement and its implementation as the future objective. Putin can do better by keeping his responses concise and describing Russia’s expectations, and raising issues of unlawful extraterritorial sanctions and restrictions. Leadership is the art of looking forward. Let’s see what happens in the next three to six months.

Earlier hypothesis:
“If the ambassadors are back to their assigned countries then the meeting was a step in the right direction. If not, then the conflict further escalates.”

Posted by: Max | Jun 16 2021 18:48 utc | 14

Der# one commentator bob Robinson:
You are exactly on the mark with this: "the fellators of Empire"
But why not make it "the phellatios" of Empire" (in plane English: "The cock-suckers at the final stage of empire collaps in Washington D.C)?

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Jun 16 2021 18:48 utc | 15

The return of the heads of diplomatic missions was quite expected. Also, the intention of the parties to exchange detainees was not a surprise. Both measures (as a means of initial relaxation of tension) are fairly 'traditional' and 'commonplace'. I expected this.

It would be strange to expect any serious breakthrough agreements. The level of trust is very low. Practically absent. It is impossible to enter into serious agreements with someone whom you do not trust in the slightest degree. This summit is just an attempt to establish minimal initial contacts.

My impression is that at Putin's press conference, Russian journalists asked generally much more practical, important and "global" questions (although there were some Russians who asked ridiculous nonsense - for example, "what's the score in this negotiation?"). American representatives traditionally focused on narrow-minded, "local" issues - how did Biden behave in the negotiations, what impression he made on Putin, did he (Putin) manage to look into Biden's soul, what about Navalny (indeed, a question on the global agenda!), and so on.

Significantly, Russian journalists were not allowed to attend the sleepy Joe's press conference. Democracy, IMHO.

Posted by: alaff | Jun 16 2021 18:57 utc | 16

@ Max | Jun 16 2021 18:48 utc | 14

Also, don’t remember any questions from Russia’s press to Biden.
That one is easy to explain. Before Biden took question he said: "I'll take your questions and as usual folks, they gave me a list of people I'm going to call on."
=> prescreened questions, as usual.

Posted by: Gipsel | Jun 16 2021 19:05 utc | 17

You are exactly on the mark with this: "the fellators of Empire"
But why not make it "the phellatios" of Empire" (in plane English: "The cock-suckers at the final stage of empire collaps in Washington D.C)?

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש

Thank you! I will very shortly.

Posted by: Bojangles Robinson | Jun 16 2021 19:15 utc | 18

@ Gipsel | Jun 16 2021 19:05 utc | 17

Good point. Joe Biden’s performance was well choreographed after Putin. Hollywood has its advantages.


Joe Biden held his press conference out in OPEN. Vladimir Putin’s press conference was in a room, CLOSED. What does it convey? Democracy open...?

Wish Russian foreign office would focus on ambiance, talking points, and the message it conveys. Some individuals are influenced by theatrics, instead of substance. The West is the best in PR theatrics.

Posted by: Max | Jun 16 2021 19:21 utc | 19

b wrote;"He responded to critical questions by using legitimate whataboutism to reflect the issue onto the U.S. side."

Legitimate indeed.....

Posted by: vetinLA | Jun 16 2021 19:32 utc | 20

Max, you're wrong about the differences. Putin spoke with facts and logic. Biden spoke with the typical American emotional ideological points and kept digressing and shifting off on folksy tangents. Putin far outclassed Biden as a knowledgeable adult and professional.
Biden obviously tried to scaremonger about China, but wasn't convincing.
Biden and the US press whores also showed their complete lack of self awareness with respect to the laws and norms of world politics, which the US violates more than anyone.
Putin also rightly pointed out the human rights disaster in the US with respect to police violence.
Putin also spoke factually about Ukraine and Minsk as opposed to the US ideological blathering about "aggression" etc.
Americans know so little about the world, and just spew out ideological talking points, and as a result are bound to lose their imperial supremacy. Biden and his team of liberal mandarins won't save the empire because material reality dictates consciousness and interests, not vice versa. What does the US have to offer the material interests of the world? Not much. Putin knows this, and wasn't fooled.

Posted by: Prof | Jun 16 2021 19:34 utc | 21

In VVP presser a few western reporters asked questions that were more accusations than anything else. I can not quote exactly but, one question asked why Putin continues to jail and murder his political opponents. If RTs' translation was correct, VVP did not dignify that question with a response. MSM just as lame as it can get. Always pushing BS narrative.

Posted by: Michael Crockett | Jun 16 2021 19:36 utc | 22

>>>>>>> Christian J. Chuba @ 8

£390 million is cheap at twice the price, the program to replace the present US presidential fleet is estimated to cost $5.3 billion. As for the "golden bathroom":

The golden bathroom controversy
Controversy over the plane's interiors erupted in 2007 when a blog published 30 leaked pictures that showed the aircraft was allegedly fitted with lavish golden bathrooms, as well as luxury areas for Putin's study, his aides and security personnel.
Speaking to Russian newspaper Kommersant, the man who claimed to have taken the pictures said he had emailed them to Russian intelligence services "to give them information."
Voronezh Aircraft, however, insisted the pictures portrayed the II-96-300PU that was used by former president Boris Yeltsin.

As for much of the cost I suspect that's down to the "advanced communications system and missile countermeasures" the Ilyushin II-96-300PU is equipped with

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 16 2021 19:37 utc | 23

'President' "Baiden" -- if he exists .. is a Catholic. Putin is in the real world -- and aschribes to some degree to Esstern church doctrine, which demands that all patrriarchchies -- no matter Instanbul,Rome. Addis-Abbeba, Damascus or Alexandria (/Iskanderi). . 'President' "Baiden" -- if he exists .. is a Catholic. Putin and he are in the real world -- but Putin aschribes to some extent to Eastern church doctrines, which demands that all patriarchchies -- no matter Instanbul,Rome. Addis-Abbeba, Damascus or Alexandria (Iscanderia) -- should agree: Only then can it become part of the Christian supertition, Andoriatis Ce!) -- should agree: Only then can it become part of the Christian superstition,

So much said -- ehat pot goes Biden into in comparison?

My answer: Amongst the hopeless who end up in hell if they have faith in their own self-professed faiths and belief in their own faecis, their salvation is in Hell.

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Jun 16 2021 19:41 utc | 24

F24 broadcast Biden's press conference half an hour ago. I couldn't watch it all because the hypocrisy, dopiness, projection and puerile bullshit were making me sick.

Biden had the gall to ask the crowd "Imagine if Amerikkka was interfering in elections all over the world" which explains why Biden didn't want a joint press conference. Had there been a joint PressCon, Putin would have been justified in asking "Don't they tell you ANYTHING!?"

I thought it was extraordinarily uncouth of Biden to avoid using Putin's name. He reminds me of that other silly old fart, John McCain.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 16 2021 19:42 utc | 25

P.S.; Military basses around the globe: U$A--8oo plus, Russia-4

Grab an F'en clue world... Who's the real threat to world peace???

Posted by: vetinLA | Jun 16 2021 19:46 utc | 26

Maybe this is a minor point. In Bidens' presser in his summery, he repeatedly stated that "told" Putin this and "told" Putin that. I rather doubt that Biden was lecturing Putin.

Posted by: Michael Crockett | Jun 16 2021 19:54 utc | 27

@ Prof | Jun 16 2021 19:34 utc | 21

Good points about facts, logic, reasoning, and raising issues. What was the CRUX of Vladimir Putin’s message? What were its key supporting points?

One didn’t hear a VISION from Putin on Russia and the world. He could have articulated all the points that you’ve made by asking nations to lead by examples, respecting others sovereignty, and promoting multilateralism. He could have contrasted by creating an INCLUSIVE world order image compared to hegemonic and dominance by the Empire. He could have mentioned about 800 military bases, some threatening Russia, China and other nations. He could have talked about vaccine collaboration, energy competition and contrasted that with containment by the Empire. This way he would have a presented a vision of a better world build on equality of people, peace and prosperity. Putin needs to go on offensive, move away from whataboutism to contrasting and define the vision for Russia and the world.

Let’s see what happens in the next few months. The EU is coming up with new sanctions on Belarus. The Empire is still pursuing regime change...

Posted by: Max | Jun 16 2021 20:04 utc | 28

Max @28--

Putin was conducting a news conference, not giving a speech, and he's very well versed at doing both extremely well.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2021 20:16 utc | 29

From what I gathered, there were talks between Lavrov and Blinken, or they were actually assisting their respective boss during talks and possibly had a their say. At the very least, they met and chatted for a few minutes.

Funnily, Biden said more or less that it was good to meet face to face, so that you can gauge the other guy. I wonder if he saw the "soulless killer" once again. I hope someone asked him about it in the presser - and a shame they hadn't a joint press conference, so that Putin could comment on that.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 16 2021 20:19 utc | 30

Associated Press' "fact-checkers" are on the case and call out Putin for the "baseless claim" - contradicting "the evidence" - that Russia is not the "leading source of cyberattacks" against USA and allies. The AP sleuths determine that while the USA and NATO allies may engage in widespread "cyber espionage" worldwide, that is in no manner the same as conducting "cyberattacks" and "Russian-based digital malfeasance is well established by U.S. officials and security researchers alike." Presumably referring to US Senate Subcommittee reports and testimony by executives from Crowdstrike, AP assures its readers that:

"Russian intelligence operatives famously interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election by hacking Democratic email accounts and orchestrating the release of those communications to boost the campaign of Republican Donald Trump and harm his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

Russian military hackers also attacked and briefly shut down portions of Ukraine’s power grid in the winters of 2015 and 2016."

Good to see the AP fact-checkers are on the case and providing its readership with the factual information necessary to produce informed opinions.

Posted by: jayc | Jun 16 2021 20:30 utc | 31

@ Karlof1 #29

Vladimir Putin should have started the new conference by summing up the meeting instead of going directly to questions. This way he would have set the stage. He has performed very well previously, so the surprise.

Also, don’t remember hearing the words: hegemon, dominance, monetary imperialism, multipolar, multilateralism, extraterritorial sanctions, Snowden, containment, leading by examples, regime change,... in his responses.

When asked a question about Navalny, he should have talked about Snowden too. Why is Snowden on run and in Russia? Navalny has been given an opportunity to travel to Germany for treatment and came back to Russia. Snowden, an American, doesn’t feel he will get justice in the United States. What does this show?

Posted by: Max | Jun 16 2021 20:34 utc | 32

Good points about him lacking a unifying theme or message. I just found him more convincing than Biden on the particulars.

Posted by: Prof | Jun 16 2021 20:37 utc | 33

A lot of the anti-China rhetoric was left to our (Oz's) gormless pentacostal charisma-vacuum PM, Scott Morrison, Biden's yapping mongrel and former Trump-gusher. It's times like these it's a sad embarrassment to be Australian: we can't seem to tell the UK or US to go f*** themselves and play our own game. What would they do? The 5th column is our worst enemy.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 16 2021 20:38 utc | 34

I have watched Putin’s press conference, Biden’s statement and press conference, and Biden’s mini–press conference near the Air Force One.

This is the first time I hear Biden speaking extensively on a topic that I know and understand well. What can I say? He is not stupid, and he is not demented. The fact that he sometimes pauses to find the right word is not a sign of dementia—it’s a sign of thoughtfulness. The talk about him forgetting where he is is just stupid. Yes, he called Blinken “my foreign minister”, so what? His interaction with the press shows that he can communicate his thinking very well, he is convincing, and he stands his ground against attempts to make him say things he doesn’t want to say. All signs of an intelligent person.

The way he framed the issues in terms of Russia’s self-interest rather than making outright demands, how patient he was with the rabid press mob out for Putin’s blood, nudging them gently to a more reasonable, constructive position, made me respect him. The tone was super-dovish, conciliatory, and respectful. He mentioned twice watching part of Putin’s press conference. He also asked the reporters twice—at the press conference and at the Air Force One mini–press conference—to consider Russia’s situation. It really felt like a genuine attempt to improve relations.

So why was Biden so dovish? He certainly wouldn’t do it on his own initiative, as he is part of the establishment. Is this a head fake to be followed by increased aggression towards Russia? Or is the West genuinely trying to improve relations? Could it be that they finally understood their anti-Russian strategy doesn’t work? We’ll found out in the coming months.

Posted by: S | Jun 16 2021 20:39 utc | 35


Posted by: S | Jun 16 2021 20:47 utc | 36

Max & Prof--

Putin as a rule starts all his pressers in that manner. His speeches on the other hand always have an intro setting the context. Just for the record, Putin began thusly:

"Dear friends, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon.

"I'm at your disposal. I don't think there's any need to say any long words. Topics are probably known to everyone: strategic stability, cybersecurity, regional conflicts, trade relations, and we talked about cooperation in the Arctic - that's an approximate set.

"Please, please, your questions." [My Emphasis]

The Summit's agenda was announced beforehand, thus no reason for a preoration. Was Putin on a schedule? IMO, yes; the plan was to return to Russia directly after his meeting with Swiss President Guy Parmelen.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2021 20:49 utc | 37

Max @Jun16 20:34 #32:

Also, don’t remember hearing the words: hegemon, dominance, monetary imperialism, multipolar, multilateralism, extraterritorial sanctions, Snowden, containment, leading by examples, regime change,... in his responses.

They appear to have agreed to avoid rhetoric that might worsen relations.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 16 2021 20:49 utc | 38

For the United States of Amnesia, yes, Vlad reminded the world today of that great forgotten place in Cuba, Guantánamo. But lets sing with the great poet Martí the Soundtrack for a Summit. Guantanamera.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2021 20:53 utc | 39

thanks for the overview - b and posters here... i didn't catch any of it, but i appreciate the summary from @ 35 S... thanks for that... we'll see what if anything comes of it..

Posted by: james | Jun 16 2021 20:54 utc | 40

@Max #32:

Also, don’t remember hearing the words: hegemon, dominance, monetary imperialism, multipolar, multilateralism, extraterritorial sanctions, Snowden, containment, leading by examples, regime change,... in his responses.

If Putin wanted to go on the offensive, he would. Clearly, he didn‘t want to do that. Putin wants progress on strategic weapons and cybersecurity. Anti-imperialist philippics can be delivered if things fall through.

Posted by: S | Jun 16 2021 20:54 utc | 41

S @35

The US needs to divide Russia and China because they are unbeatable if they cooperate. The plan is that once China has been kneecapped then the US can easily crush Russia. The US has the choice of playing nice with either Russia or China to encourage a split between the two, but since America's bioweapon attacks it is unlikely that the Chinese are in the mood for being chummy. This leaves Russia as the only one that the Empire of Psychosis can pretend to be friendly with. The imperial strategists clearly feel that Russia is the one more likely to forget that the empire is not agreement capable. We'll see...

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 16 2021 20:55 utc | 42

Yeah, unfortunately the Russians have zero slickness, theatrics and PR when it comes to media and politics. They seem to think honesty and facts are what's important when it's all about theatrics.

For example, CNN is all about how a brave CNN "reporter" confronted Putin with "What is he afraid of?" question.
Putin should have been quick to answer her question with a question what is USA so afraid of as NOT to allow a single Russian journalist at Biden's "Press conference".

So many missed opportunities. Sad and very frustrating to watch Putin. Time for him to go and to get somebody who is willing AND able to confront the West/USA/NATO/EU and to give them what they deserve.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jun 16 2021 20:55 utc | 43

It is sad that any of you feel Putin should demean himself and his country by engaging in the substanceless theatrics the west wallows in.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 16 2021 21:06 utc | 44

S @35--

You asked why Biden was "dovish". If the idea is to follow Kissinger's ploy to put a spanner in the Russia/China Partnership, then appearing sympathetic to Russia's position would be a requirement, as would agreeing to return all the diplomatic property stolen by the US Government under Obama and Trump, but there was no mention of that; and that topic would have displaced any talk of prisoner exchange if that indeed occurred. Tonight, Peskov was asked if the Summit would result in the Outlaw US Empire's removal from Russia's Unfriendly Nations List, and he said, "No ... There are no grounds yet." My assessment of Biden's responses is that he's fatigued by all the summiting, talks, travels, and press interactions that make it difficult to get worked into a lather. And we must remember that Russia actually has the high ground morally and legally as no evidence of any wrongdoing has ever been presented to incriminate Russia or Putin.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2021 21:08 utc | 45

@Posted by: Max | Jun 16 2021 18:48 utc | 14

Biden started with a summary because it was what was prepared to him, then answered in length obviously prepared asnwere to pre-known questions, after that he tried to finish the presser with some journalist trying to ask some two more questions which were left with his usual mumbling when he has not bee prepared.
From the total footage of two hours by Ruptly,starting before he appeared, he answered the prepared questions for only 20 minutes and in the middel had to take his jacket off..If he suffers from suffocation why the hell they plant him on the afternoon sun in a very hot day in Europe?
When he wanted to finish the presser he took his jacket, put on his sunglasses and left leaving the two spontaneous with the word in their lips...
BTW; Russina journalist were not allowed into Biden´s presser, unless a representative of Radio Free Europe to whom Biden smiled widely when he asked in a accented Eglish..

On clear contrast, Putin faced a whole room full of not only Russian but also Western, included US ( and very unpolite ones like the black girl in sneackers )an d answered the questions not only in length and with a relaxed aspect. After he intended to end the presser by admitting two more questions, still he conceded mote time and continue answering including one from a Canadian journalist who, appearing very polite at first to play her trick, then turned gross by planting what she really had been sent there to say.

In summary, American journalists ( US and Canadians, this time unfortunately represented by women..)stayed as disrespectful unpolite titally unprofesional people.
If they were sent by the Biden administration, a point to be paid attention by the Russians, as they tried to fault respect as much they could to Mr.Putin that way, so that to try to unbalance him with these usual shenanigans.

Posted by: Asha K. | Jun 16 2021 21:11 utc | 46

The Russian public is disdainful of American style politics. Russian politicians who would attempt to tailor their behavior after the expectations of CNN target demographics, or "confront" the West in the pro-wrestling fashion that's become the new normal in anglo-diplomacy, would lose more support at home than they could ever expect to gain abroad. Might as well take notice of the endless stream of body-language experts and their contradictory assessments -- they'd have you break-dancing in your seat and still find signs of weakness, fear and numerous terminal illnesses. In other words, why waste the effort to undermine your own position, just to impress people who're conditioned not to appreciate it?

Additionally, Russian political analysts suggest that negotiations on cyber-security came at the suggestion of the US. This is an unexpected turn of events, if true, since the US had previously taken this option off the table. The Russians are open to the possibility and have suggested it several times in the past, but do not see a bilateral agreement as a top priority topic and were, supposedly, surprised by change in the US position.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 16 2021 21:24 utc | 47

S @Jun16 20:39 #35

He is not stupid, and he is not demented.

The dementia angle is phony bullcrap for public consumption. It plays up a Biden weakness to entertain and distract the partisan wolves. At the news conference, Biden pronounced pronounced Lavrov" as "laugh-off".

Trump's ego was also a source of entertainment that became a media focus.

They provide fodder for Presidential critics that will make those critics look foolish.

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So why was Biden so dovish? ... head fake ... Or is the West genuinely trying to improve relations?

Those who desperately want to believe that our democratic leaders work for world peace and the good of all(tm) will not like the cynical view: history and the nature of the Empire beast argues for headfake:
  • The 1990's 'Economic Shock Therapy' was a headfake.
  • Obama's Nobel Peace Prize was a headfake.
  • Hillary's "reset button" was a headfake.
  • Erdogan's turning East was a headfake.
  • Trump's Helsinki Initiative was a headfake.

Biden/Deep State may be attempting to sideline Russia so that USA/NATO can tackle China without Russian interference. If so, then Biden's Initiative will be shown to be a headfake as soon as Putin sides with the Chinese in any future US-China conflict.


Friendly reminder of Jackrabbit snarky aphorisms (not a complete list!):

  • It's for the children (no, not YOUR children).
  • Enjoy the show.
  • It's gonna be a bumpy ride.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 16 2021 21:24 utc | 48

What did I imagine I heard?

I thought I heard Mr. Biden say that Russia had better fix the hacking/ransomware problem or US hackers will screw with some oil pipelines.

Which means Russia will take all its infrastructure off line.

I thought I heard Mr. Biden offer to give Syria back its oil fields, if Russia helps get US material out of Afghanistan.

But maybe I just imagined it.

Posted by: Harry | Jun 16 2021 21:27 utc | 49

I have my own thoughts on what to make of this:

"‘Doing Putin’s work’? Clinton picks moment of Geneva summit to attack 2020 election doubters & promise 'consequences' for Russia"

"As US President Joe Biden meets with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin in Geneva, failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton seems intent to ensure relations between the nations remain poor....

"Not everyone wants that relationship thawed, however. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, one of the loudest voices behind the disproven conspiracy theories about Trump-Russia 'collusion' and allegations of 'hacking' that plagued the aftermath of the 2016 US election, emerged that same day on MSNBC’s Morning Joe to declare anyone who dared to question the results of the 2020 vote to be 'doing Putin’s work.'"

That's a very odd thing to say as Putin has never disputed the outcome of either the 2016 or 2020 US elections. But as the article continues, it becomes very clear that Clinton is reinforcing the ongoing propaganda narrative aimed at Russia. Unfortunately, the debunking of Clinton's crap won't be done by BigLie Media since its allied with Clinton's efforts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2021 21:31 utc | 50

Posted by: Asha K. | Jun 16 2021 21:11 utc | 46

They knew beforehand Putin will offer a full open presser, and thus tried to destabilize him by making the journos throw alternative attacks at the floating line after he got out of the summit with such relaxed and confident aspect.

We all know today "journos" are not but government agents on payroll.

I have the impression that the good intentionate Russians are always offered with the Pavlovian treatment by the US....This time as treacherous as it could be...AS Biden and his administration knew anytime they would try to center the summit on Navalny and the Russian oposition they will recieve the Borrell treatment and probably the Russians would had left leaving them in the villa with open mouth, they sent their journos to do the dirt after the summit..Obviously it had to be some journos on practice, since not any known journalist would had allowed being seen/heard doing such unprofessional unconsidered remarks...It seemed full university campus..( where they probably belong and enjoy a fellowship..).
At least The Donald was able to do his own dirt by himself not delegating on "journos" fake news...Who would say I would miss him...

All was done to embitter what could appear as good results from the summit, even when not si promising, at least a starting point.
The Americans know the Russians would not wish anything more than a cooperative approach,a win-win understanding and being left to peaceful develop, as any normal person would wish, al the more under such a crisis we are all living, and, thus, they always have the worst part here, as they, I do not know if they are at all surprised, but I have the impression they are dissapointed one time after another...
May be they are only gaining time...

Posted by: Asha K. | Jun 16 2021 21:34 utc | 51


Thank you for your replies. Chewing it over, and nothing to add.

Apart from this curiosity I just spotted above:

Yes, he called Blinken “my foreign minister"

I wonder to whom he has just been speaking. And whose words he repeats here?

It's the little things. I think.

Posted by: John Cleary | Jun 16 2021 21:42 utc | 52

For the US info consumer it will mean nothing, same old song, killer, autocrat, etc. But what Putin said during the press conference is a lot, more than short attention span viewers will digest in a long time. It is directed to the world, to seven billion people, and a lot of them will analyze it with attention to detail, not just a flash at news hour.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2021 21:45 utc | 53

@ karlof1 (#37)... Thanks for your insights. I appreciate it. I have respect for Vladimir Putin and see him as a good leader.

@ Jackrabbit (#38)... In that case, Russians should have negotiated not talking about Navalny or internal matters, and focused on questions relevant to maintaining strategic stability and future engagements. Did U$A’ens journalists spoil Putin’s press conference?

@ S (#41)... thanks.

@ William Gruff (#42)... the Empire has BETRAYED Russia thrice in the last century. It will be unfortunate if Russia repeat the mistakes again.

@ Asha K. (#46)... good points. Biden’s press conference was well choreographed. Sophisticated eyes can see that. Instead of complaining about U$A’ens journalists, one needs to outsmart them.

One of the laws of American journalism: “To confirm existing prejudice, rather than contradict it."

Posted by: Max | Jun 16 2021 21:51 utc | 54

Driving between commitments I tuned in to a "Public Radio Station" carrying NPR (National Propaganda Radio) commentary on the "Summit".

As an American citizen it was painful to bear aural witness to the venality and worse of the contributors/commentors.


It might as well have been a Rachel Madow Show!

There are still a significant number of the populace in the US who believe that NPR is a valid and honest counterpoint to CNN or Fox et al... Sad doesn't begin to express...

It all just continues to show how totally deluded a significant portion of the US populace really is and how easily lead about. The vast majority is neither educated nor "thinking" and that goes in spades regardless of partisan alignment.

President Biden, at best, is a senile, heavily managed figurehead, carpetbagger; that is if and when he can keep it together enough to speak coherently. However, he is a US politician, and has been for decades, and when their lips are moving they are lying, NO Exceptions!

President Putin, without a doubt and clearly evidenced by the actions he has taken, has the interests of his Country's people and their well being at the forfront of his considerations and it shows in those actions and his speach and his tolerances.

President Biden Spoke of abstract concepts which any intelligent person has to see by now are worse than empty; but then again so is the literal "shell" mouthing them (nothing to do with senility in that).

The "news" deliverers demonstrate the total vacuousness of what is left of American Society and Culture. One would think that the only direction left to go is UP. Alas, that is proving not at all to be the case.

When the rubber hits the road I seriously doubt that any of the things supposedly agreed upon in this summit, as nebulous as they were, will come to pass... I base that on the rhetoric which was mouthed by the emptyheaded pontificators who have no qualifications at all for anything and yet are allowed to babble as though what they think it is all meaningful and important AND the undeniable fact that NOTHING the US government says has a scintilla of honesty or integrity to it!

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jun 16 2021 21:57 utc | 55

@Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2021 21:45 utc | 53

Yeah..I still have to go through the transcript as I had to conform myself with a simultaneous translation which got me without every detail.

Pepe Escobar promises bringing in those few nuggets Putin left fall during the presser in his tomorrow column...Looking forward...

Posted by: Asha K. | Jun 16 2021 22:07 utc | 56

In response to Max@54,

I don't think these journalists or their questions spoiled anything for Putin. These provocative questions are rather easy to respond to, in particular with the hostile way that they are framed, and generally raise Putin's approval at home. His response even framed it in terms of parity with the US, which obviously includes mutual non-interference in domestic affairs.

At this point, responding to clickbait-diarrhea is second nature for representatives of the Russian government, although it's up for debate on whether they enjoy it or not. The only negative aspect of it is the waste of valuable time and the missed opportunity for a more substantive question to be addressed.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 16 2021 22:11 utc | 57

@Posted by: Max | Jun 16 2021 21:51 utc | 54

oh,I am not complaining about the journos, but telling the thing as I view it, I am not American, you know... They left their country at the heights of bitumen...signs of the times... one guesses...

Posted by: Asha K. | Jun 16 2021 22:11 utc | 58

That Putin has done most right proves the sore comment from Time magazine:

Bad Vlad was acknowledged as a great power on equal footing with the US, rofl. "A regional power", "they make nothing", "a gas station run by the mafia", you remember. Good laugh.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 16 2021 22:13 utc | 59

Paco #39

Guantanamera ++

Thank you.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 16 2021 22:22 utc | 60

@Posted by: Harry | Jun 16 2021 21:27 utc | 49

Yeah, I had the same impression when I saw Putin´s presser and then Biden´s presser, it seemed to me all the way like they both had assisted to different summits...

Although Biden has a marked accent from Scranton, PA, it seemed to me he was bragging he had forwarded Putin the usual menaces and pre-conditions, probably because the script of the presser was written beforehand and so did not fit with what was talked in the summit...
Anyway, a total absurdity...

I feel the same insecure and on the verge of the precipice as befiore the summit..what to say...

The fact that this summit took place at all is because the US, who is very nervous about his own internal and external reality, wished to have at least some certainties from the Russians, the reason why they asked for the summit in the first place..

The situation in the US, with a rogue deep state and certain factions like Pompeo´s and Clinton´s playing their own dangerous play, is totally unpredictable, for the discgrace of the whole world.
In fact, it is highly likely that the state we find ourselves right now, with main economies bankrupted by the "plandemic", is the doing of one of this rogue factions...

The only consolation id that. as he said Nasrallah in one of his these past years speeches, related to ISIS, fanatics end always fighting each other, sooner or later...
Our only worrying is that they do not terminate us all with them...

Even in the remote case Biden could have the best of intentions, is really he who governs the USA?

Posted by: Asha K. | Jun 16 2021 22:29 utc | 61

bbc is certainly doing their best to cast everything in as negative light as possible, choosing commentators from ideological think tanks to tell us what we should think and using the stock western narrative to frame every issue.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2021 22:46 utc | 62

@Jackrabbit 48
As to Biden's possible senile blackouts, or dementia at some stages, rest assured that Putin would never drop a word about any of it in case he observed it during the meeting, if there have been any. Yet, his repeated comments in the NBC interview that his memory may have failed him concerning the "soulless" stuff were full of subtle sarcasm and even slight venom clad in Mr. Putin's usual utter politeness. Everyone is aware of Putin's stunningly great memory during his hours long pressers and public q&a sessions.

Mr. Biden had some strange situations in public which may have been connected to mental failures due to age. My mother suffered mild stages of progressive senile dementia in her 80s before she became a case for stationary care and passed away at age 91. She was most times aware of her surroundings, and the people she met. Some failures in early stages resembled much the lapses observed at Mr. Biden.

It is not the point. Whether or not Mr. Biden is suffering such defects does not really affect US politics a lot. He is a pawn.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 16 2021 22:52 utc | 63

aquadraht @Jun16 22:52 #63:

As to Biden's possible senile blackouts, or dementia ...

Well, I see it as normal age-related cognitive decline not dementia or senility that the media plays up (which serves a purpose, as I described). But I agree that Putin would not embarrass Biden by talking about it.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 16 2021 23:24 utc | 64

I still do not see the point of holding this meeting at all. Or the mechanics, seeing that the Swiss had banned the Sputnik V vaccine.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 16 2021 23:27 utc | 65

the pessimist | Jun 16 2021 22:46 utc | 62: "bbc is certainly doing their best to cast everything in as negative light as possible, choosing commentators from ideological think tanks to tell us what we should think and using the stock western narrative to frame every issue."

CBC/NN is doing exactly the same thing.

Posted by: spudski | Jun 16 2021 23:37 utc | 66

Remarks from Biden before boarding Air Force One today:

"I’m going to choose my words. Russia’s in a very, very difficult spot. They are getting squeezed by China. They want desperately to remain a major power. You all are writing about, not illegitimately, Biden already gave Putin what he wants, legitimacy. He’s standing on the world stage with the United States. They desperately want to be relevant...."

Could anyone be more self-deluded?

Posted by: Woogs | Jun 16 2021 23:42 utc | 67

@woogs 67
I would tend to appraise it in the friendly wording of Jackrabbit "normal age-related cognitive decline" wouldn't it be so representative for American's mood and feeling. A demented nation?

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 16 2021 23:47 utc | 68

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 16 2021 23:27 utc | 65

My opinion too. Do the Russians honestly expect to achieve any remotely meaningful progress in their relations with the Anglo-American empire? Why is the US ambassador allowed back in Russia without even credible assurances (dubious when coming from Washington, I know) about non-participation in destabilizing projects? And your point about Switzerland also stands, especially as the Swiss apparently back the regime-change operations in Belarus.

Taking my cue from an article by the arch-neocon Robert Kagan, it seems to me that Russia's conciliatory attitude is perceived as weakness by the mangy dogs of the empire.

Posted by: Constantine | Jun 16 2021 23:55 utc | 69

I notice the USA and the EU read Boeing and Airbus have patched up their differences to form a cartel against China.

I agree with other barflies that Biden is attempting to separate Russia and China.

Posted by: Paul | Jun 17 2021 0:00 utc | 70


Posted by: Josh | Jun 17 2021 0:05 utc | 71

Constantine @69--

As I reported to MoA barflies, Russia has cancelled the "Open Ground" agreement with the Outlaw US Empire whose "diplomatic personnel" are now restricted to a 25 mile radius from their consulate unless they get special permission for further travel. Then there are the foreign agent laws and media regulations that are being enforced curtailing the activities you suggest are easily done--they are not. The last thing Putin wants to do is turn Russia into a Police State to keep the West out as that will alienate Russians very quickly. Putin has the very substantial backing of Russians because of the way he conducts his leadership. Most importantly, Russia and its people are not at all like those in the West, and most of the media acts like media ought to act. Tomorrow, I'll be looking to see how the Summit is reported by Russian print media and sharing what I discover here. With luck, Paco and S will do so as well.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2021 0:12 utc | 72

Summit summary

Let's not annihilate the world in a nuclear war. The hotline is open once again, ambassadors exchanged.

For those with ears to hear, Clinton as the voice of the deep state, all other fronts in the Cold War are hot and open.

The only thing Putin gained, was a press conference where Americans could hear that he is rational, far more rational than any of their leadership.

Posted by: les7 | Jun 17 2021 0:51 utc | 73

I see many commenters referring to President Putin as Vlad. For the last time, the shortening of Vladimir is not Vlad, it’s Volodya. Vlad is short for Vladislav. Just because American idiots journalists didn’t bother to do a little research doesn’t mean you couldn’t either.

Posted by: Andrew Ho | Jun 17 2021 0:55 utc | 74

A note that reinforces barflies' catch of Uncle Sugar's attempt to sunder the China/Russia strategic agreement. And Putin makes it plain that both Russia and China are on to it.
Thanks for the summary, b.

Posted by: robjira | Jun 17 2021 1:01 utc | 75

@Andrew Ho(#74): The most used shortcut for Владимир is Вова, IMHO.
Volodya is not really shorter like Vladimir.

Posted by: Wolle | Jun 17 2021 1:09 utc | 76

Max you wanted Putin to be like Obama and BS everyone? Nope Putin laid down the facts and then decided to remain in the real world where life isn’t fair, inclusive or tolerant. Sorry Max, stay Los Angeles or Disney World if you want to hear all the rainbow stories.

Posted by: Fernando Martinez | Jun 17 2021 1:31 utc | 77

Re William Gruff @ 6 and Karlof1 @ Fyi @ 16 les7 @ 18
It seems misleading to suggest exceptionalism is American,
if exceptionalism exist; I think it is a label more
appropriately assigned to the leadership of the true
source when appropriate?

America is a polar continent, divided into North and South parts. Its
population is sorted and divided into many different nation states.
These different nation states each are governed by different sets of people,
each of the people inside of each of the nation states is a different
set of people, and each different set of people have name identifiers.
The governed people on the American continent have little access to
the intentions of politicians, and even less access to the media that
attempts to foster name calling.

I don't believe the entire continent of America believes itself to be
exceptional. Nor do i believe all people in the nation states existing
on the continent of America believe themselves to be exceptional?

Did i miss something? Could you please be more precise?
Americans are not guilty of exceptional ism. Thanks.

Posted by: snake | Jun 17 2021 2:14 utc | 78

Yes, he called Blinken “my foreign minister"

I wonder to whom he has just been speaking. And whose words he repeats here?

It's the little things. I think.

Posted by: John Cleary | Jun 16 2021 21:42 utc | 52

Perhaps Blinken is a foreign minister, meaning, a clergyman (minister) recognized as a rabbi in Israel (hence, a foreign one), and in the Biden's entourage, hence "my" for Biden. If you think that Biden did not say it right, you are a lying Indian pony soldier.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 17 2021 2:17 utc | 79

Why didn’t Putin counter with Assange and Snowden when Navalny was mentioned?

Posted by: Anunnaki | Jun 17 2021 2:18 utc | 80

@ Anunnaki | Jun 17 2021 2:18 utc | 80

Because Assange and Snowden are persecuted whistleblowers, Navalny is not a whistleblower.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 17 2021 3:13 utc | 81

Fresh from the NYT (the American Pravda):

We’ve Come a Long Way Since Trump. Putin Is Still Winning. - by Alexander Vindman, guest op-ed for the NYT.

Mr. Vindman served as director for European and Russian affairs at the National Security Council, from 2018-2020.

Posted by: vk | Jun 17 2021 3:40 utc | 82

I consider the list below from the Gravel Institute to be very short - obviously doesn't include any of the dozens of coup d'etats, secret ops by US special forces etc, invasions, bombings, color revolutions, psy operations, USAID interference, assassinations, buying off reporters and politicians in dozens of countries, etc, etc

from the old imperialist war mongering sitting in the oval office.
quote from The Hill:
@POTUS "How would it be if the United States were viewed by the rest of the world as interfering with the elections directly of other countries and everybody knew it? What would it be like if we engaged in activities that he engaged in? It diminishes the standing of a country."

And from the Gravel Institute:
Gravel Institute @GravelInstitute

A short list of elections that the US interfered in:

Italy, 1948
Iran, 1952
Japan, 1958
Brazil, 1962
Costa Rica, 1966
Chile, 1970
Uruguay, 1971
Italy, 1983
El Salvador, 1984
Panama, 1984
Nicaragua, 1990
Ukraine, 1994
Russia, 1996
Mongolia, 1996
El Salvador, 2004
Palestine, 2006

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 17 2021 4:54 utc | 83

#10 (paco) Francisco stay on topic. Actually take a breather they don't pay you enough.

Posted by: Abu aisha | Jun 17 2021 5:07 utc | 84

I see many commenters referring to President Putin as Vlad. For the last time, the shortening of Vladimir is not Vlad, it’s Volodya. Vlad is short for Vladislav.
Posted by: Andrew Ho | Jun 17 2021 0:55 utc | 74

You're forgetting that this is an English Language conversations among Speakers of English. Their most common method of shortening a person's name is by omitting the surplus syllables from the end of a long name.
In English, if the short version of a person's name bears no resemblance to the name itself, then it's a Nickname.

It's not disrespectful to talk ABOUT someone using a conventional shortening of their name. It would only be disrespectful if one used it when speaking TO the individual without first asking how he/she prefers to be addressed. And that's a universal precaution.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 17 2021 5:28 utc | 85

Oliver Stone (The Putin Interviews) asked Mr Putin how he prefers to be addressed and Mr Putin replied "Vladimir."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 17 2021 5:40 utc | 86

@Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 16 2021 19:42 utc | 25

I thought it was extraordinarily uncouth of Biden to avoid using Putin's name. He reminds me of that other silly old fart, John McCain.
Maybe because Biden will soon be closer to McCain than Putin.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 17 2021 5:49 utc | 87

IF you really Wang to know what's going on in the world, tune in to MSM:

'Experten: ”Putins fötter visade att han inte var bekväm”'

Translation: The expert: "Putins feet showed he was not comfortable"

[SVT (Swedish Television) 210617]

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jun 17 2021 5:50 utc | 88

Wang = want. Fuck auto correct!

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jun 17 2021 5:52 utc | 89

#85 yeah actually it doesn't matter what language. It is rude and incorrect to make up nicknames and pretend. For you for your neighbor and most definitely for a head of state. Or are you claming to have some american exceptional need to be rude and be disrespectful? Your English fetish is totally out of order.

Posted by: Abu aisha | Jun 17 2021 6:08 utc | 90

China just stole this meeting's heat by launching 3 guys into space.

Posted by: Smith | Jun 17 2021 6:08 utc | 91

@Jackrabbit | Jun 16 2021 21:24 utc | 48

Obama's Nobel Peace Prize was a headfake.

Actually it was a sycophantic self-serving gesture by the head of the Nobel Committee Thorbjørn Jagland (from the same party and generation as Jens Stoltenberg). Even Obama was embarrassed and he hightailed out as soon as possible.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 17 2021 6:16 utc | 92

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2021 0:12 utc | 72

A quick look with the morning coffee, has an interesting point of view about something that was not mentioned at all, authorizing Russian vaccines in the USA and Europe, normalizing diplomatic relations and putting Blinken in unstable position and probably on his way out since Blinken has publicly opposed Biden regarding NS2 and Ukraine, Biden even got himself to mention the Minsk agreements. All that based on US sources.

Another interesting point of view is discussed by the business Vedomosti which remarks the importance of the Arctic during the summit, as a way to subdue China’s claims to the Arctic and as a first chip for the USA to avoid a solid Russia-China alliance, for Russia as a counterbalance to avoid being a complete junior partner for China.

Overall there is a positive valuation, no big breakthroughs but the agreement to keep on talking.

The press conference has been posted fully in Russian, and it is almost finished in English too.

To the idiot that thinks I am not paid enough, I have wood fire bread, red wine and fresh water at my table every day, yes I am working here, trying not to forget the English language, just practicing, that is my work.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 17 2021 6:33 utc | 93

@Paco | Jun 16 2021 20:53 utc | 39

Thank you, that song was simply a beautiful experience. It gives hope.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 17 2021 6:33 utc | 94

Just to make it absolutely clear what the difference was between the two pressers, and why Biden held his outside. This is what Biden would have seen -


Any questions?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 17 2021 6:51 utc | 95

(OOPS! I posted this comment in the wrong thread. It belongs here.)

I now request to repeat my June 12, 2021 'prediction', since most readers won't go searching for it:

Why Is There A Biden-Putin Summit And What Is It Supposed To Achieve?
Posted by: blues | Jun 12 2021 23:55 utc | 68 -- (At four days before the event.)

Here's what's goin' down. (According to my 95% WRONG predictions.) Nothing whatever of the slightest importance will be discussed at the Putin/Biden 'summit'. No significant accords will be established, and virtually nothing will occur. EXCEPT:

This will be a rollicking Royal Send-Up for the benefit of Joe Biden. Why? The logic is dirt simple. Biden is always on the hairy edge of being removed from office for incapacitation. Russia would then be dealing with the amateur and insanely aggressive Kamala Harris. It's about sticking with the Devil You Know.

Therefor, Putin will provide the feeble Joe Biden with an all-in Royal Send-Up. Putin will praise Biden to the heavens. He will even toss in some empty but hugely auspicious 'concession'. Which will be hailed by the indentured media as a Tremendous Victory.

All solely to keep the feeble Master of Bargain Basement Politics in 'charge'.

What I was really imagining was that the ENTIRE point of of the fake 'summit' was simply to keep the empty-headed bimbo Kamala Harris out of the presidency (for as long as possible). Can anyone really imagine a summit with Harris and Putin? Then, the whole point of this psy-op was to make Biden look 'good' (within the realm of the possible). And maybe this is exactly what this whole thing was about.

I did note that at his post-'summit' briefing, Biden did not read from notes, and issued no big gaffs. I suspect that the White House spokesperson unit has finally figured out a workable solution to the dementia problem. They have simply implanted a tiny radio receiver in Biden's ear, and some remote spokesperson simply sent out words, which Biden simply repeated.

Being that I am a sci-fi fan, I am tempted to take this to a higher level. There is a fleet of ten giant C-5A strategic airlifters (cargo jets) set down at a secret air base in Switzerland. They contain a half-dozen super computers, and 300 technicians at work stations. This system sends a cell phone-like signal to a super-sophisticated receiver implanted in Joe Biden's head, taking the place of the brain stem. It controls everything Joe says and does. He can't even breath or digest food unless the proper signals are sent. Poor Joe's brain can only communicate by blinking his eyes.

Posted by: blues | Jun 17 2021 9:16 utc | 96

John Helmer on Biden's brain and the US courtier press gang in Geneva

What President Biden and his media chorus revealed about their war-fighting capabiliites

"Biden demonstrated he can rehearse, recite, repeat."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 17 2021 9:24 utc | 97

I see many commenters referring to President Putin as Vlad. For the last time, the shortening of Vladimir is not Vlad, it’s Volodya. Vlad is short for Vladislav. Just because American idiots journalists didn’t bother to do a little research doesn’t mean you couldn’t either.

Posted by: Andrew Ho | Jun 17 2021 0:55 utc | 74

I once asked Paco why he (fluent in Russian) did it and I didn't get answer. So once again, why do you call Putin, Vlad, Paco?

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 17 2021 9:29 utc | 98

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 17 2021 9:29 utc | 98

Because we are conversing in English here and it is a way of shorting the keyboard hits, the alternative Volodya is just as long, and Vova sounds weird in English since the ending could be understood as feminine even though a lot if not most short masculine names in Russian have that feminine ending, like Slava for Vyacheslav, Lyosha for Aleksey or Dima for Dmitri.. That is why, but Vlad is used as a short for Vladimir also, not as frequently as Volodya or Vova.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 17 2021 10:20 utc | 99

blues @96

Nothing so Hollywood, unfortunately. Note that "rictus grin" that the body language tea leaf readers commented on that they said was due to Biden being "tense"? Biden's handlers just loaded him up on a drug cocktail and that "rictus grin" is a side effect of some of the antipsychotic drugs in the cocktail. Stuff like risperidone, quetiapine, memantine, donepezil, and amphetamine all together to give Biden a few hours of clarity.

Okay (Okay, okay, okay)
Just a little pinprick
There'll be no more
But you may feel a little sick
Can you stand up? (Stand up, stand up)
I do believe it's working, good
That'll keep you going through the show
Come on, it's time to go

Apologies to Roger Waters

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 17 2021 10:33 utc | 100

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