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June 17, 2021
Open Thread 2021-046
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America needs to ratify the verification protocol to the BWC biological weapons convention, so as to prevent next time. Posted by: Imagine | Jun 17 2021 12:24 utc | 1 Any good recap of what *really* happened at Geneva? I have been following Andrei Martyanov’s blog, patrick Armstrong and Gilbert Doctorow and their ideas, so coming from there I didnt have much expectations coming from this meeting; but any indicators ? At face value it seemed like tensions “should” go down against Russia – but simultaneously NATO and G7 ratch things up against China. Posted by: Eol | Jun 17 2021 12:33 utc | 2 The Grayzone has a long, very good interview with Mexican Juan Luis Granados Ceja mostly focused on Mexico but covers the Northern Triangle countries of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. Posted by: migueljose | Jun 17 2021 13:01 utc | 3 Concerning Geneva, what I see is that there was a decision to put some breaks on the increase of tensions and deterioration of diplomatic relations, and more importantly, negotiate limits on nuclear arms. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 17 2021 13:15 utc | 4 Posted by: Eol | Jun 17 2021 12:33 utc | 1 Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 17 2021 13:15 utc | 5 José Carlos Llerena and Vijay Prashad detail the ongoing coup attempt in Peru, naming names and giving important history. One key factoid that got my attention: new U.S. ambassador to Peru is Lisa Kenna; she was an advisor to… Mike Pompeo. What? Wait! Posted by: migueljose | Jun 17 2021 13:35 utc | 6 The topic of pushing China and Russia together or cleaving them apart is in part delusional. These are big boys who know how to ignore cheers or hollers, instead doing what they want. At the end of the day, the same “big boy” attitude prevents very close cooperation, although some projects are being developed. The drift away from payments in dollars and euros that can be inspected and obstructed by Americans (who were given the keys to SWIFT from some retarded idiots in a declining subcontinent) will continue in any case. USA was in the position of the best bank that ever was, but the customer service proved to be very crappy, forcing the search for alternatives. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 17 2021 13:56 utc | 7 One more for the “five stages of grief” series:
Let me guess: those SMRs will all be produced and supplied by a South Korean chaebol.
So, he’s implying the Three Children Policy will work, right? That’s funny, because, some weeks ago, the Western MSM was all over China, rubbing on its face the policy would be ineffective.
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The West can do social engineering too. And much better than the CPC. Covid report from India. The second wave has hit southern states and maharastra state very hard and now cases are coming down all over India- just like in January 2021. At that time Modi started vaccination drive and second wave happened. Now Modi is launching another jab drive for people from ages 18 to 45 from June 22 and we will have to wait and see third wave will happen or not. My take is that at least in southern states natural immunity has come to general population and so it will not be very severe. A lot of people who got the jabs are getting covid19 and are being hospitalized. Govt is not giving any data about breakthrough cases. Rao Posted by: R M Rao | Jun 17 2021 14:39 utc | 9 Posted by: migueljose | Jun 17 2021 13:35 utc | 5 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 17 2021 14:41 utc | 10 On a previous thread, two readers linked to a transcript in Russian of VVP’s interview on NBC. A full English transcript is now available on katehon.com. Apologies if this is old news. Posted by: spudski | Jun 17 2021 15:37 utc | 11 Can’t teach a pig how to fly: i liked this – “To be eligible for prisoner swap with US, Washington would have to confirm Navalny works for American intelligence, says Kremlin”.. Posted by: james | Jun 17 2021 16:05 utc | 13 “The Ganges Is Returning the Dead. It Does Not Lie. Posted by: Mann Friedman | Jun 17 2021 16:06 utc | 14 @vk | Jun 17 2021 15:37 utc | 11 Posted by: Sid Victor Cattoni | Jun 17 2021 16:18 utc | 15 Suzerainties vs Sovereignties Posted by: Max | Jun 17 2021 16:27 utc | 16 Yesterday I commented about the release of the plans Russia and China have devised for an International Lunar Research Base and am linking to that comment so those interested yet missed it will get to read and bookmark the material. Many probably don’t know that China was excluded from participation in the ISS by the Outlaw US Empire, and that China sees its space program as the most important statement it can make that it cannot and will not be constrained in its development. Today’s Global Times editorial is quite eloquent and powerful on that point and IMO is an excellent predictor of future happenings. China now has its own space station up and running, and will be adding to it: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/korea-watch/shampoo-now-200-north-korea-bad-news-187870 Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 17 2021 16:39 utc | 18 Sorry folks but like a dog that has its owner’s trousers by its teeth, I cannot let this go — what about the dissappearance of “Islamic” “terrorism” in the West at a time when it should have ramped up a good four or five magnitudes. The rise of Yellow Vests, Black Lives Matter, and anti-scamdemic lockup is the best fertile ground imaginable. Of course, The Powers That Should Not Be moved on from proxies to ultimate targets; That is obvious, but why does it seem that perhaps outside of the likes of journalists and readers of sites such as Moon of Alabama, Unz Review, The Saker, OpEdNews, yada, yada, yada, no one, at least stuck in the two lamescream bubbles of the likes of Fox Hasbara, Fox Plunderbund on the one hand, or Clinton News Network, MSDNC, and Jew York Crimes on the other, does no one notice??? This is the ultimate in Vidal’s American Amnesia. Posted by: William Haught | Jun 17 2021 16:39 utc | 19 Mr Max | Jun 17 2021 16:27 utc | 15 Posted by: fyi | Jun 17 2021 16:45 utc | 21 Mr. Eighthman | Jun 17 2021 16:39 utc | 17 Posted by: fyi | Jun 17 2021 16:49 utc | 22 karlof1 @19 Posted by: William Haught | Jun 17 2021 16:55 utc | 23 Here’s Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg’s very impassioned and articulate discourse on the covid phenomenon. Not too much new, but a prescient corroboration of what a few of us around here have been discussing. Which reminds me…thanks to juliania for the contributions and solidarity. Posted by: john | Jun 17 2021 17:11 utc | 24 Does anybody know any good webside about the Chinese space program? I have found Dragonspace so far and will take a closer look when I have some time. Posted by: m | Jun 17 2021 17:37 utc | 25 fyi@20 stated; Posted by: vetinLA | Jun 17 2021 17:52 utc | 26 @ fyi (# 20), Posted by: Max | Jun 17 2021 17:54 utc | 27 @23 john Posted by: Grieved | Jun 17 2021 17:55 utc | 28 @14 Sid Victor Cattoni Posted by: Grieved | Jun 17 2021 18:10 utc | 29 Sid Victor Cattoni@14 writes “DNA and RNA vaccines are not more effective, easier, faster, or cheaper to produce and store, but it does not require a working virus, and this aspect is what makes it invaluable to biological warfare. Current proven vaccine technologies require a working virus: by weakening, killing it or by ripping off and collecting the viral proteins.” This is illogical. mRNA vaccines requires a sequenced genome. Sequencing is done on live viruses, which makes the first sentence incorrect. Further, yes, biological warfare does require a vaccine for self-protection, like giving your soldiers gas masks before you launch chemical warfare bombs or shells. But, biological warfare also requires live virus to test its efficacy. (As a bioweapon, covid is a remarkably ineffective one, nowhere near plague or smallpox or even anthrax or cholera in lethality.) And weaponizing a virus most certainly requires making sure it can survive and spread from the delivery system. That requires live virus too. Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 17 2021 18:16 utc | 30 Mr. Max | Jun 17 2021 17:54 utc | 26 Posted by: fyi | Jun 17 2021 18:18 utc | 31 Mr. Coronavictus | Jun 17 2021 18:22 utc | 31 Posted by: fyi | Jun 17 2021 18:31 utc | 32 France is trying to convince the European agency to validate the Chinese vaccine because it needs the return of the Chinese tourists to boost its economy. Despite the Chile example, showing that the Chinese vaccine does not work that good with the latest strains (as expected. like with flu shots). Posted by: Mina | Jun 17 2021 18:35 utc | 33 @ fyi (#30), Posted by: Max | Jun 17 2021 18:52 utc | 34 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 17 2021 14:41 utc | 9 Posted by: migueljose | Jun 17 2021 18:53 utc | 35 Johnathan Cook nails the inherently dishonest two state mantra: Posted by: Paul | Jun 17 2021 19:29 utc | 36 The Lunar Base project is open to all nations capable of participating according to the planning documents released yesterday. I won’t be the only one curious to see how the Outlaw US Empire responds. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 17 2021 19:32 utc | 37 Grieved @ 28 Posted by: john | Jun 17 2021 20:20 utc | 38 @17 karlof1
So there it is, the Chinese perspective on the folly of those who don’t understand the passage of time, and those who don’t care to invest into a sustainable future. Posted by: Grieved | Jun 17 2021 21:17 utc | 40 Regarding China.
The show is here: Posted by: Grieved | Jun 17 2021 21:58 utc | 41 Grieved @40– m @25 “Does anybody know any good websites about the Chinese space program?” Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 17 2021 22:29 utc | 43 Grieved @41– Pastor Morrison at worship to his God, power: Posted by: Paul | Jun 17 2021 23:21 utc | 45 Was the “Capitol Riot” an Inside Job? IMO, good reasons to think so are surfacing. Putin’s upped the game by saying they could easily be considered political prisoners whose constitutional and human rights are being violated. And given the FBI has orchestrated numerous terrorist attacks in order to frame innocents provides some credibility to that possibility. More evidence of Outlaw US Empire involvement in Bolivia coup attempts–yes two! Definite continuity of policy toward Latin America since the Filibusterers of the 19th Century–Don’t let any of those nations no matter how small have an independent government and its own development path–EVER!! Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2021 23:24 utc | 46 Posted by: gottlieb | Jun 17 2021 23:44 utc | 48 S.P. Korolev @43– gottlieb @48– Mr. Grieved | Jun 17 2021 21:58 utc | 41 Posted by: Fyi | Jun 18 2021 0:54 utc | 51 US embassy in London disrupted by pro Palestine activist. Bonus, truth telling film clip. Posted by: Paul | Jun 18 2021 1:00 utc | 52 Tapes leaked to media reveal Bolivian coup government was plotting to overturn 2020 election loss with help from US mercenaries Hot salts render good clean heat and even batteries, Just think about it, the Germans get hot just using it.
And the waste product after a few thousand cycles? – lime for brick making. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 18 2021 2:22 utc | 54 I watched a fascinating CGTN live coverage of the Chinese 3 astro-cosmonauts launch yesterday YooChoobReplay → . Really interesting to see the approach they took in televising the morning effort. I saw proud, happy, enthusiastic participants, giving credit where due to US, Soviet, and Russian historic space programmes, and in action their own home grown unique ideas for this segment of their big space station project. I believe China has long been banned by the US from partipating in their space programme, so what I watched was the result of that futile effort. It’s an amazing video 4 hour view, but the panel commentary is interesting and at times hilarious. They were having a well deserved ball. I was envious watching live from within their time zone from our recently created fear bunker way down south of the future. Posted by: Dim sim | Jun 18 2021 2:44 utc | 55 An excellent montage of the many Biden wandering speeches is to be found and experienced here with Krystal and Saagar venting spleen on the wastrel. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 18 2021 2:46 utc | 56 Mr. Dim sim | Jun 18 2021 2:44 utc | 55 Posted by: Fyi | Jun 18 2021 3:04 utc | 57 FYI@57 Posted by: Dim sim | Jun 18 2021 3:37 utc | 58 the cops in portland are going to lead us. they quit cuz they couldn’t punch old ladies or use military weapons and tactics or had some something change that made policing less fun. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 18 2021 4:14 utc | 59 New Eastern Outlook is running a ‘story’ by Phil Butler – The Biden-Putin Summit: Don’t Let Hope Be Crushed This Time where the good Mr Butler runs this paragraph:
I find it more than irksome when a reporter cites the numbers out of Biden’s mouth and generalises about Putin’s position. Any reporter with a fair minded approach would have quoted what Putin said at his press meeting following the ‘summit’. Perhaps Mr Butler missed it and its online access. I recall Putin being very clear when he spoke of ONE specific accusation by the USA where the Russians considered and investigated and responded and then went on to mention the 45 occasions when Russia accused and asked the USA to address USA based cyber attacks on Russia to get NO RESPONSE AT ALL. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 18 2021 5:00 utc | 60 Covid idiots too?
Posted by: Coronavictus | Jun 18 2021 6:30 utc | 61 Norwegian diet? Posted by: Coronavictus | Jun 18 2021 6:44 utc | 62 @43 S.P. Korolev Posted by: m | Jun 18 2021 10:23 utc | 63 In response to uncle tungsten@60, Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 18 2021 10:37 utc | 64 Mandatory vaccination with experimental vaccines is abhorrent and it should have us all worried. Posted by: DG | Jun 18 2021 10:44 utc | 65 Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2021 16:43 utc | 20 Posted by: Paul | Jun 18 2021 11:40 utc | 66 I have not commenting here for a while nor been following comments. I have been watching the situation in Afghanistan for some time an d thinking that the US intends for the Taliban to take over to make it harder for China to include Afghanistan in the belt and road project. Initially it was the breaking of the truce or whatever that agreement was call and again bombing the while while also breaking the former agreement on the date of the final US pullout. As the government relies totally on foreign support, they will look to Russia and China for support which would be unacceptable to the US Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 18 2021 11:40 utc | 67 Mr. Peter AU1 | Jun 18 2021 11:40 utc | 66 Posted by: fyi | Jun 18 2021 12:54 utc | 68 @ 3 migueljose, thanks for the links! Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 18 2021 13:33 utc | 69 EOL Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 18 2021 13:55 utc | 70 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 18 2021 11:40 utc | 66 Posted by: Paul | Jun 18 2021 13:57 utc | 71 Nothing? It doesn’t matter what you think or for the purpose of replying to your shit, what China thinks. It is what the US thinks that counts here as to ensuring Taliban takes control or not just as they are leaving. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 18 2021 14:01 utc | 72 On the subject of Mexico’s membership in NATO, here’s a little help from your friendly neighbours to the extreme north. (This would sort of qualify as interference, I guess? But have to get the ball rollin’ somehow. 🙂 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 18 2021 14:26 utc | 73 @Peter AU1
NATO is also increasing troops in Iraq (as USA reduces troops). This was announced in February 2021:
!! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 18 2021 14:39 utc | 74 Apple Daily search shows waning influence of Western interference: Global Times editorial @b Posted by: S | Jun 18 2021 15:58 utc | 76 This is turning straight into an China vs USA Cold War. Posted by: Smith | Jun 18 2021 16:12 utc | 77 Biden Admin Asks Americans to Report ‘Radicalized’ Friends And Family Posted by: librul | Jun 18 2021 16:16 utc | 78 12 Monkeys Posted by: ld | Jun 18 2021 16:32 utc | 79 Linda Jean Doucett @79 Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 18 2021 17:08 utc | 80 William Gruff @80 Posted by: Linda Jean Doucett | Jun 18 2021 17:40 utc | 81 Peter AU 1 @72– Paul @66– Bitcoin miners exit China, beat a path to the U.S. as crypto climate shifts Cryptocurrency industry are moving to mainland imperialist native countries. The above link is to an interesting article in Washingtonpost today. From this article you can see some dimension of the industry.
One Chinese miner, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared political repercussions in China, said he predicted 60 to 70 percent of his peers would migrate their operations to the United States or Europe. He said he is building about 50 shipping containers to house his computers to plop onto an oil field in West Texas, and is breaking ground on a 33-megawatt site in Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
what is problem in China?
There are probelms in Russia and Iran too:
How much energy is consumed?
Some disadvantages in USA:
So the problem is not energy cost, neither IT staff. Electricity cost in China is 6 times lower than USA. How much is it? Can anyone tell the cost of electricity in Texas? We can see in near future Bitcoin and other tax evading cryptocurrencies will reach its natural limits, then it will be a casino tool and a weapon in western civilization arsenal for plundering other nations wealth. Posted by: arata | Jun 18 2021 18:35 utc | 84 Putin asked Lavrov to provide his report on the Summit to commence today’s meeting of Russia’s Security Council. I’d sure like to know what he said! karlof1 and jackrabbit Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 18 2021 19:15 utc | 86 85 Cont’d– Peter AU 1 @ 86– karlof1 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 18 2021 20:01 utc | 89 @ Peter AU1 (# 89), Posted by: Max | Jun 18 2021 20:24 utc | 90 Max Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 18 2021 20:54 utc | 91 @ Peter AU1 (#91), Posted by: Max | Jun 18 2021 21:15 utc | 92 Good little rant by Gowans– Posted by: arby | Jun 18 2021 21:41 utc | 93 Max, looking the oil chart, the price of oil only dropped from Iranian revolution price to 1973 oil crisis price. it drifted back from the iran price and then suddenly dropped to the 73 level. what caused that drop? I haven’t looked into that. But soviet union would have collapsed anyway. Trapped in their ideology they could not provide green grass for their people. Putin has often said the leaders at that time and I think up to Yeltsin knew they had to change but none had any idea of how to go about it. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 18 2021 21:59 utc | 94 @75 S
is rubbish. Most computers still have a DVD drive, and that one is compatible with all CDs. Also there are USB DVD drives for those who have not. In fact such a resource is not so much different from any other hard drive or stick. Granted links cannot be resolved (most of them). Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 18 2021 22:22 utc | 95 @ Peter AU1 (#94), Posted by: Max | Jun 18 2021 22:31 utc | 96 Thanks, john @24 and Grieved @ 28 for linking to the interview with Dr. Wodarg. The background in the previous bird and swine flu scenarios I could see as precursors to the hype and profitmaking concerns that have been ramped up, but I’m puzzled by his negativity on masks. I can’t see how masks would feature as pro-medical mafia, particularly as one can make their own mask, as I did. In fact, antimasking seems helpful to the political agenda for creating fear and uncertainty in the population. It can help, assuredly, if people have the notion that masks aren’t effective – they would then seek out a vaccine alternative. So that part of his argument didn’t make sense to me. I have my mask when I shop – maybe it is useless as he says, but I rather think it is like taking vitamins, something that can’t perhaps be proven, like my netting preventing elephants from invading my garden. But hey, masks make sense to me and this virus is worth masking against, easy enough to do so long as its about. Posted by: juliania | Jun 18 2021 22:32 utc | 97 Biden desperately wants JCPOA “revived” before the new Iranian administration is installed. But in that he faces a huge challenge for many of the illegal sanctions placed on Iran that must be removed before Iran will resume its role in the treaty were placed by Congress and thus must be repealed by that body. And given the very powerful and certainly irrational Hatred/Fear of Iran–which is probably more powerful today than Anti-Communist sentiment–that will be a very difficult political task to accomplish. And the Iranians know that fact. The Iranians understand that the entire culture-based negative outlook toward Iran based on decades of virulent propaganda must be changed within the Outlaw US Empire, which is what it’s going to take to get Congress to cancel its illegal sanctions. To John, I would say it is the most painful thing to be unable to communicate with our children on this matter. Their trust of government entities is a hard one to grapple with – we ourselves when young did not completely trust our parents; it’s natural, and the world is an even harsher environment for young folk these days. All I can hope for my own trusting family members is that their good health practices and natural immunity will overcome even these invasions – I pray that for them, and simply caution them with respect to their own children who are now at risk. They weren’t around for thalidomide; they don’t remember the polio years. They have nothing to compare this to, and all media which has given them a culture to enjoy is now their worst enemy? We appear to them now as fanatics in the face of what they ‘know’. Old fogies. (Even if they love us.) Posted by: juliania | Jun 18 2021 23:47 utc | 99 Mr. by: Max | Jun 18 2021 22:31 utc | 96 Posted by: Fyi | Jun 19 2021 0:06 utc | 100 |
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