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June 19, 2021

Debunking A 'Chinese Defector' Story

It is sad to see how much Col. Pat Lang's intelligence judgment has deteriorated.

Here he goes crazy over a story of an alleged Chinese high level defector who allegedly brought all kinds of materials with him:

This man, as Chinese counter-intelligence boss looked around the IC and decided that he was most likely to survive an internal leak if he defected to DIA. That means that in spite of the fact that DIA had an internal Chinese mole (recently arrested at DIA request by the FBI), the rest of the agencies are worse in the level in Chinese intelligence penetration not only of their analytic people but also of their operations staff. How do I know that? Material from the defector (Dong) would not normally be shared with analysts if it had his name in it. His identity would be held in operational channels.

Clearly, this man believes that; CIA. army intelligence, naval intelligence, USAF intelligence and all the rest are heavily penetrated. pl.

Lang took the defector story from Zerohedge.com which took it from Redstate.com where managing editor Jennifer Van Laar made it up by mixing her fantasies, a Freebacon report about Chinese students returning to the U.S. and a rumor about a defection reported by Spytalk:

Chinese-language anti-communist media and Twitter are abuzz this week with rumors that a vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei (董经纬) defected in mid-February, flying from Hong Kong to the United States with his daughter, Dong Yang.

Dong is, or was, a longtime official in China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS), also known as the Guoanbu. His publicly available background indicates that he was responsible for the Ministry’s counterintelligence efforts in China, i.e., spy-catching, since being promoted to vice minister in April 2018. If the stories are true, Dong would be the highest-level defector in the history of the People’s Republic of China.

The rumor is false.

How do I know?

I copied "vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei" into Google Translate with the output language set to Chinese (simplified). That results in this string: "国家安全部副部长董经纬". The big Chinese search engine is Baidu.com. After pasting the string into Baidu it delivered these results:


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The first search result is from September 2020 but the second on is from yesterday. As is the third.

The second result goes to a Baidu news report. I copied the story from there and back into Google Translate - this time from Chinese to English. Here is the outcome:

Ministry of National Security: It is necessary to catch spies as well as "traitors" and "behind the scenes."

China Changan Net
Release time: 06-1815:29 China Changan Net

On the morning of June 18, 2021, Vice Minister Dong Jingwei of the Ministry of National Security presided over a symposium to study and implement the "Regulations on Anti-espionage Security Work" that came into effect on April 26 this year, and make arrangements for anti-rape and anti-espionage work.

The symposium pointed out that the Party Central Committee attaches great importance to national security work and has made a series of important decisions and arrangements for counter-espionage work. As the competent authority for counter-espionage work, the Ministry of National Security has formulated and promulgated regulations that are a realistic need to prevent, stop, and crack down on illegal and criminal activities that endanger national security in accordance with the law, which are conducive to further consolidating the responsibility of counter-espionage security prevention and better organizing and mobilizing all social forces. Fight the "People's War" against espionage. ...

The expression "anti-rape" seems to be a machine translation artifact and probably means "anti-infiltration".

The third Baidu result has the same report from a different news outlet though the video attached to it is not of Dong Jingwei. A Chinese government site also carries the same story.

So the guy who allegedly defected to the Defense Intelligence Agency apparently just talked about counterespionage at a symposium in presumably Beijing.

Another search produces a picture of Dong Jingwei. The line below it translates to:

On December 14, 2020, the China-Belarus Intergovernmental Cooperation Committee met in Beijing. Dong Jingwei (middle), the Vice Minister of the Ministry of National Security and the Chinese Chairman of the Security Cooperation Sub-Committee, also participated in the meeting. The Minister and the Chinese Chairman of the Cultural Cooperation Sub-Committee Zhang Xu sat together. (Image source: Internet)

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The Dong Jingwei and his public activities are regular news. Still some will claim that the Chinese report about the symposium is false and was only launched to divert from the defection which therefore must be real.

Well, consider all the stuff the defector, according to Redstate 'sources', allegedly brought with him:

In addition, Dong has provided DIA with the following information:

  • Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
  • Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the US and the world
  • Financial records detailing which exact organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
  • Names of US citizens who provide intel to China
  • Names of Chinese spies working in the US or attending US universities
  • Financial records showing US businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
  • Details of meetings US government officials had (perhaps unwittingly) with Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
  • How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

Dong also has provided DIA with copies of the contents of the hard drive on Hunter Biden’s laptop, showing the information the Chinese government has about Hunter’s pornography problem and about his (and Joe’s) business dealings with Chinese entities.

That sounds as much like a wet dream for Republicans as the pee-tape Steele Dossier was a wet dream for Democrats.

How would a Chinese counter-espionage guy, who's job it is to catch U.S. spies in China, have access to all those claimed materials, especially to the names of Chinese spies in the U.S.? What would be his need to know those? Spying and counter spying are always compartmentalized from each other. They don't know each others secrets.

How could Pat Lang fall for this nonsense?

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Posted by: Lurk | Jun 20 2021 14:33 utc | 98

Way to easy Lurk, at least for my taste. Pat never made a secret about being familiar with Blumenthal father, just as he seemed to support Max Blumenthal at one point in time. ...

What's your point?

Posted by: LeaNder | Jun 20 2021 16:30 utc | 101

@LeaNder | Jun 20 2021 16:30 utc | 101

My point is that for a supposed "Trumper", Pat Lang is - for a presumed Trumper - uncharacteristically close to the Clinton incrowd. How did you misunderstand that?

Perhaps you also intend to question my assessment of Sydney Blumenthal's tier-1 Clinton crony status?

Posted by: Lurk | Jun 20 2021 18:10 utc | 102

Lurk #102

That is an incredibly stupid comment. Of all the criticisms one can make of Pat Lang, he is most certainly not part of the Clinton crowd. Did he recommend that she give a speech at VMI? Perhaps he did. What does that mean? Probably no more than exposing his alma mater to one very powerful political player but also to one of the most stupid players one can imagine so those students can see what they are opposing.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 20 2021 18:56 utc | 103

@ToivoS | Jun 20 2021 18:56 utc | 103

Sigh.. enjoy parading your ANGERY!1! strawman.

Or perhaps notice how I wrote "close to" rather than "part of".

Is there anything else that I actually did write that you dislike?

Posted by: Lurk | Jun 20 2021 22:46 utc | 104

Lurk 102

Lang is a Clinton hater, and is a bit devious. I have no doubt he extended a strawman invitation to Clinton because he expected her to turn it down so he could then crow about her hatred of the military.

Posted by: mike a | Jun 21 2021 0:08 utc | 105

A member of the imperial intelligence community hating the top public operative of the imperial intelligence community? Why not? Lang is rightfully disappointed in Clinton's performance in her assigned role. It doesn't mean they are on opposing teams.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 21 2021 0:17 utc | 106

"Pat Lang's blog degenerated into crazy lunacy when Larry Johnson and J were given free reign." - Prof

I am very familiar with Larry Johnson, who is 'J'?

Is that his entire id, or is that an abbreviation for a longer anonymous id? I get that some people want to remain anonymous but one letter is overdoing it. That is saying, I am so paranoid and important, that I dare not use more than one letter lest I accidentally give away my secret. That is one reason why I instantly hated 'Q' (of anon, love the one from Star Trek).

I mostly disagree with Larry Johnson but at least he signs his name.

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I love TTG, Twisted Genius, he's explained why he remains anonymous and he doesn't violate my one letter rule :-)

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jun 21 2021 0:44 utc | 107

@107 I agree about The Twisted Genius.

He writes well, and is courteous to those who disagree with him, even when they are acerbic bullies like Larry Johnson threatening to burst a blood vessel in incandescent rage.

Someone earlier mentioned Patrick Barzhad, who also wrote well and also appeared to enjoy engaging with people who disagreed with him, rather than simply turning purple and dialling up the volume to eleven.

Both were military men, TTG relatively recently retired while Barzhad was, apparently, still serving. Maybe that helped keep their temper in check, unlike the old ex-spooks.

Mind you, I got the impression that Patrick Barzhad was likely to be a most intimidating person ... err... in person.

Wonder why he stopped posting?


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jun 21 2021 9:05 utc | 108

TTG's posts are the main reason I keep reading Lang's blog. TTG should start his own blog. But that would be a big investment of his time, so I understand why he does not. I generally ignore any posts by LJ, except sometimes to tweak him when he writes something patently false.

As for Lang himself I actually kind of like the old curmudgeon despite his Trump obsession.

Posted by: Mike A. | Jun 21 2021 14:04 utc | 109

Source at gawker.com: Look for the mail below the “Your Max is a mitzvah!” one.
Posted by: Lurk | Jun 20 2021 14:33 utc | 97

Interesting snippet. To some extent.

Not sure what your allusions are meant to signify. Concerning grand theories, that is.

Posted by: LeaNder | Jun 21 2021 15:33 utc | 110

The given name of Dong Jingwei (董经纬) is by itself interesting in itself:

-- Jīng (经/經) means the main threads of a woven cloth, but is also the word for a classic book of wisdom.

-- Wĕi (纬/緯) means the weft , i.e. the cross-threads of a woven fabric, but also means "mystical commentaries on the magic meaning of the classics"
Seems to me an eminently mystifying personal name: Can it be a true name for real?

Also. finally, "Dŏng (董),although being a common surname, actually means 'inspector' or 'warden' -- so the entire name thus raises to a certain level of suspiciousity!

Posted by: Theo Oros אש תיצפ | Jun 21 2021 16:04 utc | 111

China's Academy Award-winning anti-West meme is voiced by a Chinese Historian in John Pilger's unsettling doco The Coming war with China. He says (words to the effect):

"China's not interested in ruling the World. We built the Great Wall to keep the Barbarians OUT!"

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2021 16:56 utc | 112

I am sorry Lurk, as far as I recall Pat Lang linked to Max Blumenthal only once. His early Jerusalem interview tape. Otherwise he didn't mention him often. I wouldn't rule out a manipulative trait in both Trump and Pat Lang. But around that time, he least followed his own advise to cling to the masters or a highly limited section of media, never mind his basic anti-1968, left bias. Back to the 50s??? .... He became a rigid counterculture warrior only later.

Source at gawker.com: Look for the mail below the “Your Max is a mitzvah!” one.
Posted by: Lurk | Jun 20 2021 14:33 utc | 97

Here is what she refers to:
Inside the strange Hollywood scam that spread chaos across the Middle East
Max Blumenthal, Thu 13 Sep 2012
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/13/egypt-libya-hollywood-film

I am not a fan of Hillary, but the hyped up Islamophobia that accompanied the Iraq war, surely wasn't supported by Pat Lang around this time, it feels.

On the other hand, yes, versus in Egypt he surely supported the War in Libya. Rich country, well-educated citizen. If anywhere, it could work there. And maybe he still had an axe to grind, after all he has been involved in military actions against Gaddafi before. ;) ... La Belle, Berlin disco attack, Lockerbie???

A lot of water has flowed down the Rhine, by now. As we say here in Cologne. Max doesn't claim this curious production triggered Benghazi attacks, that seems to have been an idea by Democratic campaign savants/pundits.

"We are Feeding the hate", as a Weekly Standard journalist wrote in 2003, beating the war drums?
Selective chronology of creative propaganda drums, not least Steve Bannon, the Leni Riefenstahl of the Tea Party movement and his production s, no doubt more focused on the US home ground. Isolationist???

But yes, there were a lot of production networks and a multitude of interested parties on the right.
Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons, 2005
Destroying the Great Satan: The Rise of Islamic Facism (sic) in America, Steve Bannon, 2007

up to Charly Hebdo's Muhammad Cartoons, 2012 too. (Je suis Charly ????)


Posted by: LeaNder | Jun 22 2021 14:14 utc | 113

correction:
... (at that time) he least followed his own intelligence advise and didn't cling to highly limited news section. ...

His master's voice?

Posted by: LeaNder | Jun 22 2021 14:17 utc | 114

missed this one:
Desert Island/Innocence of Bin Laden/innocence of Muslim/, by whatever circles, 2012

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims#Screening_and_Internet_upload

Posted by: LeaNder | Jun 22 2021 14:24 utc | 115

The only reason I go to Turcopolier is to read the comments on Patrick Armstrong's sitreps, since Mr. Armstrong's Russia Observer has comments disabled. That's just about it for me.

Posted by: joey_n | Jun 22 2021 20:51 utc | 116

Spytalk: Feds: We Don’t Have Chinese Defector Dong Jingwei

Swirling, widespread reports over the past several weeks that Beijing’s top counterintelligence official had defected to the United States are “not accurate,” a U.S. government official told SpyTalk on Tuesday.

“We are just looking to correct the record,” said the official, speaking on terms of anonymity to discuss the highly sensitive issue.
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But on Tuesday a U.S. official reached out to say reports of Dong’s defection were not true. Speaking strictly on terms of anonymity, the official declined to elaborate further, including on Dong’s present whereabouts, only hinting that the counterspy remains in China.

“We can’t can’t confirm or deny where he is exactly,” the official said.
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Former Pentagon, State Department and CIA China expert Nicholas Eftimiades, author of Chinese Espionage: Operations and Tactics, told SpyTalk the official’s initiative was likely coordinated at the highest levels of the Biden administration. “I’m stunned that they did that,” considering the sensitivity of the subject, he said. He called the response definitive, a closed issue: “game, set, match.”


Posted by: b | Jun 23 2021 7:52 utc | 117

Hi all. On SST/ Colonel Lang/ pl collective. Couple of observations not yet made in the comments:

1. UFO’s /Space Force / Aliens travelling ginormous distances and time to find a tiny blue dot in a solar system in some backwater of the Milkyway - armed and ready to Destroy or take over the Earth!!
The old boy is surely blowing smoke up the arses of these who are dumb followers. Good for share price pumping and dumping of the MIC who are getting whipped in the space race with their useless Artemis and onward to Mars pork belly projects. He is also a bit too keen on DS muppet tech billionaire and Bitcoin manipulator private citizen spaceman and his zillions of satellites polluting the near space.

2.the complete failure to follow through on the Russiagate conspiracy or take any interest in Skripal Novichok conspiracy or Pompeo’s Gauntlet against a democratic elected party leader in n a general election in the U.K.

Such inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Along with Jesuit tendencies and Greek man/boy loving historical throwbackism has convinced me of that sites limited hangout credentials - just as Off-Guardian revealed its equal credentials.

Time for that Old Soldier to do what his hero MacArthur was forced to do.

It’s No World For Old Men who lived whole lives on the socialist payroll of Government money whilst pretending to be anti socialist fighters and killers.

Posted by: DG | Jun 23 2021 10:47 utc | 118

lots of good comments on the SST/Turcopolier topic. Nevertheless, selectively while the train has moved on.


Posted by: DG | Jun 23 2021 10:47 utc | 118

Along with Jesuit tendencies and Greek man/boy loving historical throwbackis ...

Pat Lang is a "Knight Commander of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulcher of Jerusalem. (Papal Honor)", I doubt he ever thought much about the Jesuits. ... That is, if he didn't invent TTG as SF alter ego. :)

TTG is Jesuit educated and thus seems to have to a certain degree a pro-contemporary Jesuits bias. Apparently his time in school wasn't bad. I found a lot of 20th century Jesuits quite inspiring too and wish the present Pope all the luck he needs. As sinner. ;)

Greek man/boy
Greece has always been around on people's minds. It no doubt took a specific poetic turn more recently.

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Concerning UFO’s /Space Force / Aliens

I would create subtopics here. Under aliens, you might have his Bigfoot references in mind? UFO's and aliens as: Perception phenomena??? Still keeping people busy, but not easily explained away? ...

Space and Musk. That's two things to me. I am not completely sure about Pat, but definitively a huge fan base of lovers of science fiction surfaced over the times on SST. They read it as boys. Beyond the political divide. ... One of the hard right supporters surfacing in the comment section supposedly wrote such a series.

Musk is a hero for Pat without any doubt, as may be Trump (?) as a figure representative of the American Dream, as a successful businessman. ... Just as Bezos, as provider of work for people and fought by those silly leftists? Artemis is Bezos, anyway. But so far, Bezos space didn't surface. ;)

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Agree on the Off-Guardians, ... Lost attraction rapidly. It can get heavily complex to encounter all those dissenters and their wishes out there? ;)

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Posted by: LeaNder | Jun 23 2021 18:21 utc | 119

Interior monologues??? or never satisfied curiosity?


One of the hard right supporters surfacing in the comment section supposedly wrote such a series.

Don't trust perception? Maybe that's the only thing to be learned on SST/Turcopolier?

Anyway, these books supposedly were written by commenter "Tyler" ...

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/Jack-Hanson/e/B00PHUTAK4/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1

“The Lady fell for another

To the Beast she was a mother

Dragons talk and Dragons mock

But the Beast begins his stalk

They stand! They fall! Then they flee!

How many of them will he reave?

(One...two...three...four...five..)”

- Child's skipping rhyme on Scylla, origins unknown


tinyurl.com/SST-Tyler

They were easy; fast reading. Not even that bad. For someone sounding rabidly right-wing. Ok, ok, machine, animal, warrior comrades in the fight. ... That was indeed a bit odd. We would expect technical AI to replace soldiers in Science Fiction. But animals, Animalpower, still present in the future. Is that Darwinist?

Posted by: LeaNder | Jun 23 2021 19:27 utc | 120

b -

Gordon Chang who has pushed the defection story all week has now recanted. This morning he is saying Dong Jingwei was seen in a public appearance in China yesterday. He gives a Newsweek article regarding a 23 June video conference of the Shanghai Pact as source.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-spymaster-dong-jingwei-makes-first-public-appearance-since-defection-rumors/ar-AALnVIr

Posted by: Leith | Jun 24 2021 20:07 utc | 121

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