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June 10, 2021

Biden Seeks Allies For War On China

U.S. President Joe Biden is currently in Europe.

President Biden @POTUS - 14:26 UTC · Jun 10, 2021

I believe we are at an inflection point in history. A moment where it falls to us to prove that democracies will not just endure — they will excel as we rise to seize the enormous opportunities of this new age.

Democracies excel against whom?

According to the Democracy Perception Index 2020 73% of the people in China say that their country is democratic. Only 48% in the United States see their country as such.

China is indeed rising to the "enormous opportunities of this new age". The U.S., well, not so much. And that is the crux of the whole situation.

Biden's tweet is gibberish. A good translation of what he really meant is probably this:

chinahand @chinahand - 14:55 UTC · Jun 10, 2021

It's how the more homely and honest "we have to f*ck up china before it eats America's lunch" gets translated into faux Churchill hero speak. Suspect Jake Sullivan lobbied for the existential crisis for democracy angle coz why wud Europe line up to just to save America's ass?

Biden is in Europe to ask its leaders to support the U.S. in its efforts against China (and Russia). But that is not in Europe's interest:

The President and his advisors would do well to remember that while former Belgian foreign minister Mark Eyskens famously said that Europe is a political dwarf, he also called it an economic giant. As several U.S. presidents have discovered, the subservience of European countries to the United States stops as soon as European wallets are involved. This was demonstrated most recently in Germany’s adamant refusal to bow to U.S.pressure to abandon the North Stream gas pipeline from Russia.

A degree of common Western economic pushback against China is legitimate and necessary in two areas: Chinese behavior that clearly breaks universally accepted rules, as in the area of intellectual property theft; and control of vital national infrastructure. After all, the Chinese defend their own technological expertise, and they will never allow foreign control of essential sectors of the Chinese economy.

The Biden administration however seems to want to go much further than this, to effectively shut China out from any important say in shaping the rules of the international economy, and greatly restrict Chinese investment and infrastructural development outside China. This strategy is doomed to failure, and will cause deep divisions between the United States, Europe and Japan.

Europe won't line up behind the U.S. for its great war on China. And a war it is gonna be:

“I see stiff competition with China,” Biden said at the White House. “They have an overall goal to become the leading country in the world, the wealthiest country in the world and the most powerful country in the world. That’s not going to happen on my watch, because United States is going to continue to grow and expand.

China will also continue to grow and expand - only at a faster rate than the U.S.

The U.S. lost the competition when it, in the early 1990s, declared itself to be the sole superpower. It lost when it pushed for globalization and free trade. It lost when it let its finance, insurance and real estate sectors of its economy run amok in 2000, in 2007 (and again now). It lost when I broke its promise not to expand NATO to Russia's border. It lost when it decided to a wage a war of terror in the Middle East.

All the above gave China the 30 years it needed to catch up and to overtake the U.S. It has three times the population. It now has all the necessary infrastructure and industries. It graduates some 4.7 million per year in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) while the U.S. has only 600,000 STEM graduates per year.

The U.S. became the primer power after World War II because the industrial capacities of all other powers had been destroyed by the war. To regain such a position the U.S. would have to engineer a war that would destruct China's industrial capabilities. A civil war within China could achieve that. But the color-revolution the U.S. incited in China in 1989 has failed and any new attempt to incite some strife will now be much more difficult. An external war waged on China is even more difficult because China is a nuclear power which can shot back.

What the U.S. could do is not to attempt to out compete China. I could instead try to make it instrumental for its purposes.

Despite being on the winning side in both World Wars the British empire did not survive the carnage. Its role was taken over by the more powerful United States. But Britain did keep a role on the world stage that was (and is) disproportionate to its size. It managed to do so by making itself useful to the U.S. and by fostering a special relationship with its successor.

Could the U.S. try to get into a similar position in its relation with China? I believe that might be possible to a certain degree. It would be useful for China to grant the U.S. some special privileges if that avoids the costs of outright hostilities. But I also think that the U.S., for cultural reasons, will never try to get into such an agreement. It simply does not want to play number two.

So where do we go from here?

The most likely path is a more aggressive United States which uses its presumed advantages to attack China's capabilities below the level of open warfare.

Cyber warfare is a field in which the U.S. has already invested a lot. If its uses those capabilities, unacknowledged and in a destructive way, China's industries could be seriously harmed. The effects of random electricity failures, burning refineries and unreliable communication networks would accumulate to a slow down of China's growth. Ransomware like attacks on the Chinese banking system could leave its markets in chaos.

I am sure that there are a number of people in the Pentagon who are wargaming such scenarios. If history is any guide they will downplay the reactions and capabilities of their opponent. They might even be able to lure a president into signing off such a mission.

In the big picture though that would not change much. China would hit back against badly defended U.S. cyber targets. The skirmish would continue for several month but would end in a no-winner situation. After that it would be back to a cold war. The strategic situation would still be the same.

The U.S. can not win against China. How long will it take for it to recognize that?

Posted by b on June 10, 2021 at 17:52 UTC | Permalink

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thanks b.. in answer to your question at the bottom about when the madness will stop - i give it 20 years.. i think a lot of ordinary people recognize it is over already..

not sure how long the madness of political talking heads like biden continues.. probably indefinitely.. i really believe a focus on finance is what this is all about.. you have basically said that in your post, without directly saying it.. it is all about money, power and control.. lets continue to examine the role that finances play in international affairs. the wars are all now financial in nature.. financial sanctions are the main gambit which have shown to be ineffective, although maybe i am wrong on this and maybe their are more tools in the same toolbox for this.. we'll see.. i have given up on the usa and europe coming to their senses, let along all the other hangers on - canada, australia and etc..

Posted by: james | Jun 10 2021 18:06 utc | 1

This is just theatre for the plebs.

China has been the biggest beneficiary of neoliberalism so much so that Xi Xinping went to Davos in 2017 to defend it. For the past 30 years and more every global multinational from US to Europe to Japan has invested 100s of billions of dollars into China. Where do you think all those factories and jobs that were outsourced went? China!

The rise of China directly correlates with the decline of the West.

This was intentional.

As long as those factories stay there there will be no war.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2021 18:12 utc | 2

It is psychologically impossible for the rich and powerful button pushing elites to admit it can not defeat, neutralize, or exhaust China. Therefore the US will continue its descent into decline until it is irrelevant.

Or they will go full on insane and push the button. Like the end of Cold War v1 we might just sneak around the corner to avoid nuclear catastrophe but a US failure to 'win' Cold War v2 is an unacceptable existential disaster. I personally believe we will not survive the US struggle with China.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Jun 10 2021 18:19 utc | 3

Ah, blaming greed on neo-liberalism, a usual bar room jab, by a wannabee conservative, who can't see who moved all the damned manufacturing to China for the cheap labor. There is no hope!

Posted by: Chuck Rogers | Jun 10 2021 18:34 utc | 4

Down South | Jun 10 2021 18:12 utc | 2 has it mostly right, IMO.

I stated it many years ago (I'm sure it's still out there on the Internet somewhere) that there would be an "incentive" given to US corporations operating in China to "come back home." US policy might be to drum up a bunch of propaganda to heat up a war with China to both: 1) Get the US population to go along with big tax breaks to "repatriate" these corporations (always think that the political schemes are about getting more money to the wealthy- FOLLOW THE MONEY); and 2) Coerce the companies to return (some might not want to, but many might see the incentives as subsidizing the losses that they'll face; there's also the looming threat that China would seize facilities/equipment- all a play, perhaps, but the best laid plans can and do often go sideways in which case take the "safe" route and just cooperate...

This is the likely short-to-medium-range forecast. Long-term real war is likely (figure some sort of machine/automation will trigger it; Dr. Stangelove scenario).

Oh! And my daily(?) reminder: You cannot have perpetual growth; planets are, by default, finite. A race to the END!

Posted by: Seer | Jun 10 2021 18:49 utc | 5

I have been predicting for years that Amerikastan would incite the Taiwanese rump to declare independence as a last ditch attempt to hurt China. I also predicted how China might respond.

http://bill-purkayastha.blogspot.com/2017/10/china-and-taiwan-question.html?m=1

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 10 2021 18:51 utc | 6

China has been the most productive country in the world for thousands of years in human history (e.g. It is a country with only 9% of world arable land but supports 20% of world population.) Whatever the US or the West do/don’t do, it may slow/hasten the trend, but it will not change the ultimate return to normal.

For example in 2019, China's manufacturing output was about as big as the combined outputs of the numbers 2, 3, and 4 manufacturing countries (US, Japan and Germany). And the worse news for US is that the trend continues, or may even accelerates going forward. In 2021, China manufacturing output is projected to be bigger than the next 4 countries combined (US, Japan, Germany and South Korea).

The future of American economy lies on them figure out how to find a niche to utilize the strengths of the country and avoid its weaknesses to fit into the global supply chain centered around China and the greater Euro-Asia. The smaller countries, especially those in East Asia, have been able to accept and adapt to this hard-cold fact much earlier, but America is too arrogant/dumb to change the mentality – they just talk about decoupling or autarky, or whatever the imagined economic/political/military/security threats. Their “learning from history” consists of debating whether Clinton was right/wrong to let China into WTO. So they are likely to be the last to (be forced to) make the adjustment, and left with the worst position (even compare with smaller countries) after the great re-arrangement.

Posted by: d dan | Jun 10 2021 19:14 utc | 7

The U.S. lost the competition when ... when ... when ...

USA never lost the competition because they weren't competing. They were attempting to compromise China (and getting paid handsomely to do so via labor arbitrage) and to force Russian capitulation (* see below) so that China would be isolated.

Needless to say, this strategy wasn't managed well. Those profiting from China wanted it to continue and "economic shock therapy" for Russia was cruelty (masked as good intentions) that ultimately drove Russia into the hands of China. Those in the West who complained were shamed as "globalism" was deemed inevitable. As usual the little people lost and will lose again if there is any war between the Empire/NATO and upstarts Russia-China/SCO.

Why did they need to completely crush their defeated foe? I can only think that they coveted Russia's natural resources. They didn't want Russia to simply join the West, they wanted to rape her.

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Furthermore, this Cold War is not new. Many of us have been saying for years that a new Cold War has begun. It was started before Biden and even before Trump.

IMO Kissinger's Wall Street Journal Op-Ed of August 2014 was a defacto declaration of war. He makes it clear that Russia-China and their allies would be resisted and called for USA to revive its leadership from the Cold War with language that sounds suspiciously like "Make America Great Again" (Trump enter the race for President 10 months later).

PS I've been saying these things for years.

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The strangulation of Russian economy in the 1990s was a deliberate IMF policy

Indeed, western role in Russian transition is almost invariably represented as generous benevolence. While many among Russia’s western helpers did come with sincere and honorable intentions, the whole project, insofar as it was determined by its command and control structure, was simply a massive, bald-faced criminal enterprise.

IMF’s policy dictate

When Jeffrey Sachs drafted his shock therapy recommendations, he estimated that for the reforms to succeed, Soviet Union would need financial support of about $15 billion per year for many years. This money was needed for the state to continue administering essential social services like pensions, health care and food aid for the country’s population. But while the IMF and U.S. government insisted that Moscow abidingly implement the draconian shock therapy measures, they stubbornly refused to provide the needed financial aid. Sachs also advocated debt relief for the USSR which, before its collapse in 1991 was already $60 billion behind in payments to foreign creditors.

When he advised the Bolivian (1985-1986) and Polish (1989-1991) governments in implementing their own shock therapies, Sachs was able to negotiate a 50% debt write-off for Poland and a 90% write-off for Bolivia. By contrast, Russia would get no debt relief of any kind. To the contrary, at the G7 summit held in Moscow in November 1991, representatives of the seven leading western powers insisted that Soviet Union had to continue servicing its external debts at all cost, even menacing Yegor Gaidar that “any suspension of debt payments would result in the immediate suspension of urgent food aid and that the ships nearly arrived at the Black Sea ports would turn around.” [3] Moscow’s endeavor to comply with these payment obligations completely depleted the government’s treasury within only three months’ time (by February of 1992).

Sachs later reported that in December of 1991 he held discussions with the IMF urging its representatives to advance the financial support needed for Russia’s transition, but they insisted that Russia didn’t need any such assistance and told him that they had instructed the G7 accordingly. Sachs found the methodology on which the IMF had based their decision, “primitive beyond belief,” which led him to assume that the IMF was simply “parroting the political decisions already decided by the United States”. He was right, of course: as we now know, US aid policy for Russia was indeed determined by two key US government agencies: the Treasury Department run by Robert Rubin with Lawrence Summers in charge of Russian affairs, and the National Security Council.


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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 10 2021 19:17 utc | 8

China has OUTPERFORMED and outsmarted the Dollar Empire. China is focused on growing its economy and becoming the largest economy in the world. In 2020, China’s consumer market of $6 trillion became bigger than U$A’s $5.5 trillion approximately. Germany sold 5.4 million cars in China in 2019 compared to 1.4 million in the U$A. Today, the American and European middle class is the largest in the world, by 2030 it will be Chinese. When China’s gdp per capita is similar to the U$A by 2050 its economy will be nearly 30+% of the global gdp and U$A’s around 10-15%. This will shake our world.

China’s rise is debunking most of the myths propagated by the Dollar Empire.
– Oil needs to be priced in the US$ because it was the largest buyer in 1975
– IMF, WB & UN need to be located in the largest economy
– The world reserve currency should be the privy of the largest economy

Democracy, free market, independent media, rule of law, .... are MYTHS. Democracy is a cloak used to hide & divert attention from reality of suzerainty, enslavement and LOOTING. There is no free market. The market is the Fed. Only a manipulated market that is built to enrich financial oligarchy. Journalism works: “To confirm existing prejudice, rather than contradict it." Our economy is rigged. Game..Stop!

Chinese companies will be happy to buy Qualcomm,... other companies in cash. However, the option of buying is denied to China. Now the option of licensing is denied or restricted. They’re forced to only invest their earned dollars in the treasury bonds, real estate,... Michael Hudson defines this challenge well. America lost the telecommunication arena because our telecom companies were busy in the M&A arena to make Wall Street happy. Please explain why Germany a nation of 80+ million people exports more than the U$A in the range of $200+ Billion. How long will the U$A and UK be running trade deficit? Why? The Dollar Empire doesn’t want to face REALITY?

"The true equation is ‘democracy’ = government by world financiers.”
– J.R.R. Tolkien

China and Russia are united to take on the Dollar Empire. Their strategy calls for De-DOLLARIZATION, addressing disinformation, destructive sanctions and restrictions,... The EU has to decide if it wants to be sovereign or be played by the Financial Empire. Presently, it looks like the Five Eyes are being the bad cop and the EU the good cop, in the”Good cop/bad cop” geopolitics game. China and Russia have taken gloves off and are reciprocating sanctions, restrictions,... A new law passed by Beijing is designed to give China a "legitimate base for countermeasures."

China’s newly passed Anti-Foreign Sanctions Law to bring deterrent effect against Western hegemony

How can the U$A be the largest economy forever? This is unsustainable. When will America face reality and become sovereign? What are U$A’s OPTIONS? Compete, Constrain, Conflict...

Posted by: Max | Jun 10 2021 19:17 utc | 9

Below is a quote from the responsiblestatecraft piece that I want to make example of

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A degree of common Western economic pushback against China is legitimate and necessary in two areas: Chinese behavior that clearly breaks universally accepted rules, as in the area of intellectual property theft; and control of vital national infrastructure. After all, the Chinese defend their own technological expertise, and they will never allow foreign control of essential sectors of the Chinese economy.
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Just what is vital national infrastructure and/or essential sectors of the Chinese economy?

Of course the unwritten one is public finance in contrast to private finance in the West but not discussed in polite company....fuck the polite company....humanity is in a civilization war about how finance is run in the future and I would put my money on it being more public than the current private jackboot.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 10 2021 19:23 utc | 10

One thing that might ensure Chinese "supremacy" in the future, is the one thing that b doesn't mention. The BRI. The Chinese and Russian viewpoint is towards an expansion of "zones of interest", while the US is on the defensive. Cut and burn rather than let others have a reasonable part of the pie.

It is sure that many countries are hurting from being under US sanctions. Many others are suffering from being part of a sanctions "regime". ie. Europe is not doing itself any favours by following the US. However, the first group have to adapt, so they will. We can see once again, the return of "hopes for Societal-equality" in South America as an example. Likewise the Pakistani resistance to becoming another airbase for the US is another.

OK, The Empire claims that unpayable debts are a function of the BRI, but this is due more to the respective Governments having been trained in Western Finance first. "Grab while you can, as you don't have to pay back debts", (The present US financial system), but which is less true elsewhere.

Although the US containment strategy might appear at first glance a game-winner, it can never be so. As the lines of supply and export are now no longer all going to be under US Naval control. Which can be cut anyway. (Suez grounded that illusion). Naval transit is going to become more dangerous as time progresses, and as more territory seeking countries "try their luck" to find places to exercise control. (ie. The Emirates and Turkey both are aiming to control straits)

There is always the question of "who pays", whatever the solution chosen. The US wants others to pay for it's supremacy in making the "rules" that the first will then have to obey. The Chinese hope for a "win-win". But that might not be so easy, unless the Chinese industries and corporations allow reasonable competition and a levelish playing field. The US corporations are not as squeamish about eliminating competition. (It was a way of life for Microsoft for example).

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 10 2021 19:38 utc | 11

"attack China's capabilities below the level of open warfare."

Like with Iran today?

Posted by: Keith McClary | Jun 10 2021 19:38 utc | 12

Cyberattack China?

That would indeed escalate into a very bad fight. China would certainly be able to detect that we were behind it and would retaliate. While the U.S. economy is not as industrial, it is certainly more digitized and decentralization in our case is a weakness. Colonial pipeline was brought to a halt because a single billing system became inoperable. China could scramble airline, train, or truck schedules which stops them as efficiently as blowing them up. Oh, and in this case, Putin and/or Russian consultants could help and would because they know that they cannot allow the U.S. to get away with sabotage on this large of a scale.

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China's aging population

This is a favorite talking point for Neocons like Gordon Chang. Funny how excited the get at the prospect of another country's suffering. But they ignore the the U.S. has the same issue. They comfort themselves by saying, 'China will get old without ever having gotten rich'. So apparently we in the U.S. have nothing to worry about. :-)
This smacks of self-delusion.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jun 10 2021 19:48 utc | 13

Christian J. Chuba | Jun 10 2021 19:48 utc | 13

"China will get old without ever having gotten rich'. So apparently we in the U.S. have nothing to worry about."

Europe is even "older" so we must be getting even richer? Go on, say yes, I will just wait patiently here for it to arrive...... :>)

ps. tax free, of course.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 10 2021 20:05 utc | 14

"It has three times the population."

China has more than four times the population of the US. That extra 300-400 million should help a bit.

Posted by: One Too Many | Jun 10 2021 20:27 utc | 15

I thought b made an indirect statement in these two paragraphs:

"Despite being on the winning side in both World Wars the British empire did not survive the carnage. Its role was taken over by the more powerful United States. But Britain did keep a role on the world stage that was (and is) disproportionate to its size. It managed to do so by making itself useful to the U.S. and by fostering a special relationship with its successor.

Could the U.S. try to get into a similar position in its relation with China? I believe that might be possible to a certain degree. It would be useful for China to grant the U.S. some special privileges if that avoids the costs of outright hostilities. But I also think that the U.S., for cultural reasons, will never try to get into such an agreement. It simply does not want to play number two.'

And... the British would sabotage American hypothetical efforts at a special relationship with China, n'est pas? Isn't that the unspoken comment here? If China requires an Anglo partner in North America, British-aligned Canada is always an option instead of courting the USA. (Those efforts would be led by the UK, not Canada, just so everyone knows.)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 10 2021 20:29 utc | 16

'...america simply doesn't want to be number two.' for years. as i pondered the demented empire's future, why it wouldn't/couldn't simply accept its demotion & continue for the sake its citizens & allies to be contented with a lower rung on the ladder. i've come to believe it's linked in no small part to america's no longer ruling itself for its betterment bt rather for the betterment of its rulers. america will in time be forced to accept its lowly place on the great heap of time, bt in answer to now & why it cannot accept number two...i don't believe that position is open or shan't be for much longer. russia has happily & reasonably read the points made so admirably by b...& recognized the usa is china's rounding off number. the station of number 2 will be happily & beneficially filled in such a way to preserve russia & china as well as their allies. they shall all benefit & prosper & the world will be a much safer place. america sees this much as well. unfortunately americans do not yet see the real dilemma & still believe in the fairy tale & the never-ending whorl of lies.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Jun 10 2021 20:33 utc | 17

Estados Unidos siempre ha dependido del capital humano importado principalmente de Europa. Es incapaz de producir capital propio en la cantidad y de la calidad necesarias para competir ni siquiera con Rusia y el suministro europeo hace tiempo que se secó.

Posted by: Frasco | Jun 10 2021 20:43 utc | 18

The United States is determined to be a cautionary tale. It's hard to see a happy ending for the USA. A continued doubling down on failure does not predict a successful outcome. At this point we should take those studies about the percentage of CEOs being psychopathic maniacs seriously. There is no appetite for self-reflection or epiphany in the USA; only recrimination and blame of others for the systemic failure of eternal vigilance against virulent greed.

The irony of our extinction is that cooperation instead of competition is only a handshake away.

Posted by: gottlieb | Jun 10 2021 20:53 utc | 19

Hi together, and thanks to b for starting a new discussion.

Only @ Down South | 2 | is on the proper track.

"The rise of China .... was intentional."

For further clarification one could add: it was an intentional project of the WEST.

The discussion here (so far) is furthermore illusionary because you all obviously believe in the nation-state. But there are only a handful true and real nation-states on the planet nowadays (they are small and unimportant, like Switzerland, and are used for special purposes ...).

All other so called 'states' are nothing more than concentration camps - including the United States of America. The difference between private prisons in the US (CoreCivic, Geo Group) and the whole state is only a quantitative one not qualitative one. Of course quantity sometimes may matter ...

Some of the concentration-camps on this planet (labeled 'states') are well managed, most of them are badly managed. But that doesn't matter. 100 Million people dead or alive - that's nothing.

The administrators of the camps inhabit the best places of the planet and are absolutely safe. They are pepared for all eventualities (including nuclear war and winter). The ture OWNERs, too. And the latter know how to feed their servants (who have to do the job with guarding, propaganda, managing the workshops and the health systems etc. etc..).

Thougths - like b has expressed them - are sometimes discussed internally among the serving administrators. But they know that it is useless to have such thoughts (except for propaganda reasons and entertainement). Because they only can make suggestions to their CEOs. And the CEOs are following their own guidelines & ideas. It is their right to do so.

There is a international society of the heads of most of the top-administrators of the worldwide concentration-camps. No employed politician is among them. Only owner are allowed to join the club.

They have decided to start a civil war in the US. Because afterwards it is easier to rebuild and renew the whole camp. The chinese model is very good working meanwhile. One could copy it. And the rest of the US-area is designed to become a green garden (natural reservate) for recreation of those who have done a good service.

That's the situation.

I am sorry, but still with my best wishes,

Gerhard

Posted by: Gerhard | Jun 10 2021 21:20 utc | 20

In the late 70s, my father had a side gig working at was once a key US corporation. He knew the bigwigs and invited to dinner one of the company's most important financial advisors. This advisor described how he and others in some national organization--he didn't give details--intended to turn the US economy from a manufacturing to a service model. I asked him something like, "So we're just going to sell things to each other?" He became apoplectic--I'm not sure if it was because he was being questioned by a teenager or because he didn't have an answer. Corporate America sending US manufacturing to China wasn't accidental or incidental. Now the US economy is inextricably tied to China's. Does the US intend to rebuild its manufacturing base? Does it intend to bully China into giving up the goods and shutting up? Does the US even have a plan besides "Do what we say or else!" (the rules-based order)? And will corporate America put up with the alienation of its manufacturing base in China? I think the people in charge have no idea what they're doing.

Posted by: NoOneYouKnow | Jun 10 2021 21:28 utc | 21

@ ph #10
from a link (not advocated by ph)....
Chinese behavior that clearly breaks universally accepted rules, as in the area of intellectual property theft

Intellectual property theft is often mentioned by the China-haters, but it needs to be put into perspective. A view from a 2019 article:

In terms of outright theft of IP, China’s infractions are anything but unique: It is just one of 36 violators listed in the 2019 Special 301 Report by the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR). Historically, rapidly growing emerging market economies tend to be cited as they transition to higher income levels. For example, decades ago Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan were each perennial Section 301 violators until they reached a per capita GDP of about $20,000-$25,000. Many countries have followed this blueprint, but China draws special attention because of its size and its top-down, state-led model. . .here

Current China per capita GDP is $10,000.

This year's "Special 301 Report" discusses some of the positive steps China has taken in this regard. Along with new laws, it is emphasizing local efforts in scientific advance, removing dependence on more advanced countries. The report includes China on the Priority Watch List along with eight other nations, plus 24 other nations on the "Watch List."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2021 21:41 utc | 22

One thing that might ensure Chinese "supremacy" in the future, is the one thing that b doesn't mention. The BRI. The Chinese and Russian viewpoint is towards an expansion of "zones of interest", while the US is on the defensive. Cut and burn rather than let others have a reasonable part of the pie.

It is sure that many countries are hurting from being under US sanctions. Many others are suffering from being part of a sanctions "regime". ie. Europe is not doing itself any favours by following the US. However, the first group have to adapt, so they will. We can see once again, the return of "hopes for Societal-equality" in South America as an example. Likewise the Pakistani resistance to becoming another airbase for the US is another.

OK, The Empire claims that unpayable debts are a function of the BRI, but this is due more to the respective Governments having been trained in Western Finance first. "Grab while you can, as you don't have to pay back debts", (The present US financial system), but which is less true elsewhere.

The example of Laos vs Myammar comes to mind.... Laos, early on, decided to cooperate with the PRC in implementing a development programme for Laos. This programme included numerous hydro-electric dams on the Mekong and tributary rivers, the Laos-China Railway, demining millions of hectares of land to put it back into agricultural production, Industrial Free Trade Zones, and tourism. Myammar was suspicious, killed the Hydro projects, slow walked the pipelines and highways, and stopped the railways.

Today, Laos is on the cusp of major economic transition into a modern economy, while Myammar still fights to unify itself. All the ASEAN are watching... Thailand finally began work on it's part of the highspeed rail network, after tracklaying of the Laos-China railway began, and that project's success could no longer be ignored.

Today, Brunei moved into the PRC camp, and is benefiting, soon Malaysia will cave too. Vietnam has worked out a modus vivendi with the PRC, and it's South China Sea claims are resolved. This leaves only the Phillippines as odd man out...

INDY

Posted by: George W Oprisko | Jun 10 2021 21:48 utc | 23

Biden has this fetish for alliances - any idiocy is justified as long as we have enough partners going along.

Posted by: ian | Jun 10 2021 21:52 utc | 24

Here's a 1992 video of presidential candidate Ross Perot talking about the "giant sucking sound" when manufacturing jobs leave the US.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2021 21:54 utc | 25

b wrote:

[China] graduates some 4.7 million per year in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) while the U.S. has only 600,000 STEM graduates per year.
And according to a Georgetown University study, for the academic year 2018/19 about 143,000 of the USA's STEM students were . . . drum roll, please! . . . Chinese.

One can assume the vast majority of them have graduated or will graduate, unless the rise in American jingoism and anti-Asian violence encourages the not-yet-graduated to go home and not return. The study is here.

Posted by: corvo | Jun 10 2021 22:01 utc | 26

"Despite being on the winning side in both World Wars the British empire did not survive the carnage. Its role was taken over by the more powerful United States. But Britain did keep a role on the world stage that was (and is) disproportionate to its size. It managed to do so by making itself useful to the U.S. and by fostering a special relationship with its successor."

Actually, this started in the beginning of the 20th century when Britain had to face the German and Russian threats, they just accomodate to the rising USA. At that point, the USA already had a larger manufacturing base and the Brits excluded the US from their Two-Power standard which required Britain to have an equal number of battleships to those of the next two largest competitors combined. Also, they were forced to make concessions in the Western Hemisphere to avoid a devastating war against the US.
It was a rational and calculated decision from Britain to yield to US demands that reflected shared ethnic and linguistic heritage, along with a common political culture and model of governance.

This kind of rational choice is similar to the one Russia is making, in accepting to be the junior partner of China in economic terms but with parity at the military and diplomatic levels.

Posted by: Leftraru | Jun 10 2021 22:03 utc | 27


The China-haters always mention the "debt-trap" BRI, especially in Sri Lanka (Hambantota), but that's not fair (of course).

The Atlantic

The Chinese ‘Debt Trap’ Is a Myth
The narrative wrongfully portrays both Beijing and the developing countries it deals with.
...Our research shows that Chinese banks are willing to restructure the terms of existing loans and have never actually seized an asset from any country, much less the port of Hambantota. A Chinese company’s acquisition of a majority stake in the port was a cautionary tale, but it’s not the one we’ve often heard. With a new administration in Washington, the truth about the widely, perhaps willfully, misunderstood case of Hambantota Port is long overdue.
...Of the $4.5 billion in debt service Sri Lanka would pay in 2017, only 5 percent was because of Hambantota. The Central Bank governors under both Rajapaksa and Sirisena do not agree on much, but they both told us that Hambantota, and Chinese finance in general, was not the source of the country’s financial distress. . .here, Feb 6, 2021

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2021 22:07 utc | 28

I believe that the US will try to start a global economic crusade against China by claiming (falsely) that Covid came from a Chinese laboratory and demanding reparations. It seems obvious from the headlines that the decision to blame China has already been made. It remains to be seen if it will be successful or not--I would never underestimate the power and reach of propaganda.

Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Jun 10 2021 22:15 utc | 29

@ Don Bacon | Jun 10 2021 22:07 utc | 28:

Thanks for bringing up the "Chinese debt trap" myth in order to disparage and dismiss it.

Western accusations that China is creating "debt traps" are what psychogists commonly refer to as projection. (IMF, anyone? World Bank, anyone?) What must be especially galling to the bigwigs in Western finance is that the Chinese terms are so much more generous.

Posted by: corvo | Jun 10 2021 22:18 utc | 30

A proper reply/comment to b's essay would be another essay, some parts of which I've already written and posted at my VK site. The first point I'll make was made today by the Global Times editor:

"Some US political elites are uneasy about China's nuclear buildup, but it is their own problem. The only way they can overcome this anxiety is to maintain strategic respect toward China and refrain from threatening China. Being threatened is regarded as taboo by major powers. China's overall military strength still lags far behind that of the US, and China has a long-standing commitment not to be the first to use nuclear weapons. As long as Washington does not have an ulterior motive or plan, and will not carry out nuclear blackmail against China in a crisis, it has no reason to worry about China's attempts of consolidating nuclear deterrence, because China will never take the initiative to engage in nuclear blackmail against the US." [My Emphasis]

And China showed its ability to protect its citizens from Bio and Chem warfare, and it may have followed Russia's lead in continuing nuclear civil defense, but I'm not hip to that aspect of China's homeland defense. Invasion by the West will never again be allowed. Period. I cited the response by China's military about Taiwan--it will be unified with the mainland at some future point; in other words, that's a given. On the TechWar Front, China will soon have 100% complete vertical organization of its Telecom and Computer industries and will cease being dependent on overseas suppliers. That will happen by the end of 2022 if not sooner. As for energy, on the open thread, I replied to Norwegian about China's space program and noted: "When we examine the effort China and Russia are putting toward fusion power development and link it to their moon plans, it becomes rather clear what their goal is." China also has the most aggressive renewable energy program of any nation and will phase out its coal usage in tandem with the ramping up of imported Russian gas. (I linked to the opening of the fantastically massive Amur Gas Plant that just started its operations yesterday. Those who enjoy watching video of such a massive engineering project being built will want to visit this youtube page, watch the initial video, then the other four next to it.) One of the main points being, everything being constructed by China and Russia in their united concert is top-notch, current, state-of-the-art, and financially sound--all aimed at benefitting their peoples, not to enrich the select few at the top.

And that last point of ideology is one longtime barflies will know I've made for years: The actual & stated goals of both Russia and China is for their economic development to uplift and further enhance the position and capabilities of their nation's human capital--their citizens--whereas the Outlaw US Empire's actual and stated goals are NOT the same whatsoever which is proven by the great degree of inequality, polarization, poverty, and a structural unemployment rate over 20% as I commented on yesterday. JFK famously said: "Don't ask what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." Unfortunately, by that time the fix had been in for 80 years and the nation no longer worked for the nation--that is if it indeed ever did. In both China and Russia, the people know that they work for the good of all. That ethos is completely absent within the Outlaw US Empire, and is the #1 reason why Eurasia will surpass English speaking North America, for Canada has the same problem as does the UK.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2021 22:19 utc | 31

@ Donbass Lives Matter | Jun 10 2021 22:15 utc | 29:

Exactly what I've been thinking. Why else is Biden pushing for another investigation of what is really a purely scientific question, wrenching it into high-stakes political discourse? Why is the G7, according to today's Guardian, similarly going to demand that new investigation?

And not to see himself totally sidelined, Trump announced today that he was right all along about the "Kung Flu" and even set a price on the reparations: $10 trillion.

I figure that between declaring Chinese-owned US national debt null and void, and confiscating all Chinese-owned assets in the USA, at least a quarter of that $10 trillion could be scooped up relatively quickly.

Things could get very interesting indeed.

Posted by: corvo | Jun 10 2021 22:24 utc | 32

@ Don Bacon (#28)

Chinese finance is a better option than other alternatives.

In order to get a new loan from IMF the Angolan govt had to sell the nation by letting them buy businesses and determine its policies. This is not a loan but a takeover.

“As part of the IMF program, Angola has pledged to sell 195 businesses or stakes, including partial holdings in national oil company Sonangol and diamond firm Endiama, to boost its public finances and reduce the role of the state in the economy. The government also aims to remove fuel subsidies and increase public transport tariffs” The Empire is pushing nations towards China. Who are the buyers?

Please shares articles from Empire’s mainstream media talking about monetary imperialism. “Like other colonial empires – the UK, with its sterling zone, or Portugal, with its escudo zone, France had its franc zone. The CFA franc – originally the French African Colonial franc – ... It is a colonial currency, born of France’s need to foster economic integration among the colonies under its administration, and thus control their resources, economic structures and political systems.” Why are these so called democracies not talking about this monetary imperialism?

The CFA Franc: French Monetary Imperialism in Africa

Posted by: Max | Jun 10 2021 22:25 utc | 33

“I see stiff competition with China,” Biden said at the White House. “They have an overall goal to become the leading country in the world, the wealthiest country in the world and the most powerful country in the world. That’s not going to happen on my watch, because United States is going to continue to grow and expand.”

Well, he's 78 (the oldest POTUS ever; no POTUS ever even reached that age while in office, so Biden is the oldest on day one of his mandate). Probably won't be alive when it happens (if it happens). Either way, easy for him to say that.

A degree of common Western economic pushback against China is legitimate and necessary in two areas: Chinese behavior that clearly breaks universally accepted rules, as in the area of intellectual property theft; and control of vital national infrastructure. After all, the Chinese defend their own technological expertise, and they will never allow foreign control of essential sectors of the Chinese economy.

This is a gross false equivalence that arises when one treats Geopolitics as a science. Geopolitics is a pseudo-science, created in Germany at the end of the 19th Century to counter the rise of Marxism; its goal is to eternalize the system of nation-states, i.e. to tell History from the point of view of nationalities (nationalism) instead of class struggle.

Almost all of the comments here also commit the same mistake. The world doesn't work the way Geopolitics say it works; the Marxist theory is the scientifically precise one that explains everything (and has been proved to be correct as time progresses), therefore the one we should always use to analyze world affairs.

For starters, China is not a capitalist nation-state. It never claimed to be so. The capitalist world shouldn't be acting like it is surprised when China protects its domestic market. The IP theft accusations are very creative to say the least (but, even if true, is irrelevant, as value is produced by labor, not by ideas). It's not China's responsibility to live according to capitalist values: it's the capitalist nations'. Therefore, it is totally fair for China to expect full access to European, American etc. etc. domestic markets while not opening its own domestic market to them. The world is not as described by Geopolitics, but as described by Marxism: this is conflict not between nation-states, but between capitalism and socialism, therefore the relation is obviously not equal and cannot be ever equal. Socialism is the successor of capitalism, not its alternative.

Secondly, the very system of the nation-states is not eternal. China will never be the world's superpower. It can't be and it doesn't intend to be (and has already stated so many times over many decades). History never repeats. To state the rise of China will be a "meet the new boss, same as the old boss", "we're all gonna have to learn Chinese", "I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords" is of immense intellectual dishonesty. There is absolutely no evidence China could even do it even if it tried, and, theoretically (theory of socialism), it doesn't even have the potential mechanism to do so even if the objective material conditions existed (which they won't either way). There will never be a unipolar world order with China at its head, this is materially impossible as long as China remains socialist. If it somehow turns capitalist but without shock therapy and there's a huge world war where it emerges victorious etc. etc. then it could mathematically happen, but you would have to be Nostradamus to call this borderline parallel universe hypothesis.

My final take is this: you all should chill on these Geopolitical brainstorms that abound on the internet nowadays. The nation-state is not a sacred entity. Not all nation-states are created equal. History never repeats (even though it frequently rhymes). History is the saga of class struggle; the USA has many inner problems that will be impossible to brush off. The equation that defeated the USSR cannot be replicated. Capitalism has an entropy, it will degenerate and finally wither away one day. Always analyze the concrete situation, always rationalize from the abstract to the concrete: without validation of the real world, theories are meaningless.

Posted by: vk | Jun 10 2021 22:27 utc | 34

“I see stiff competition with China,” Biden said at the White House. “They have an overall goal to become the leading country in the world, the wealthiest country in the world and the most powerful country in the world. That’s not going to happen on my watch, because United States is going to continue to grow and expand.”

First, China is already the most powerful economy in the world by purchasing power parity (PPP).

China's military is the largest in the world and military spending is second in the world only behind the US.

So, the US has already lost the world's most powerful nation spot.

The US is powerless to prevent China from doing anything without further destroying itself.

The political and economic systems in place in the US are no match for the Chinese monolithic economic/political model. The CCP has complete control. It can make and then implement multi-trillion dollar plans like the BRI. The US could never hope to unite both political parties and business leaders to achieve such a goal.

So, China has already won while the US will continue to decay and Europeans should easily see that.

Also, why would any country help the US do anything? The worldwide contempt for America is well deserved.

Posted by: Mar man | Jun 10 2021 22:32 utc | 35

@ corvo #30
Western accusations that China is creating "debt traps" are what psychologists commonly refer to as projection. (IMF, anyone? World Bank, anyone?)
You're welcome.
Regarding US debt traps there is the classic: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins.
from Amazon --

In this astonishing tell-all book, former economic hit man (EHM) John Perkins shares new details about the ways he and others cheated countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. Then he reveals how the deadly EHM cancer he helped create has spread far more widely and deeply than ever in the United States and everywhere else—to become the dominant system of business, government, and society today. Finally, he gives an insider view of what we each can do to change it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2021 22:33 utc | 36

Biden is making a big deal about the G-7 "democratic" countries in a sort of last stand against autocrats. Well democracy is governance by the people, usually through their representatives. That doesn't exist in any case I know about. US Congress-critters represent their corporate donors, everybody knows that. So disapproval of Congress ranges between sixty and eighty percent, as seen here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2021 22:43 utc | 37

China opened up for foreign investment roughly at the same time as the West, mostly the Anglo-Saxon West, decided to abandon manufacturing relocate resources towards services, around the strat of the 80s. The winning (and only) component China possessed then, still does possess, is her huge pool of low cost labour, that's the part of China's economic success, the rest is important but low cost labour tops it all, no Western country can match it, someone on a minimum wage in China earns in a month what a US counterpart does in a couple of days, this labour cost advantage has been, and will continue to be the crucial difference between the West and China.

Add to it the massive retail market of China, still mostly unsaturated (compared to the West's), the Chinese haven't yet learnt that acquiring trinkets doesn't bring happiness, it's this potential of the 1.4bn consumers that so attractive for the Western corporates, mostly the American ones that will prevent Biden from genuinely hurting China, most of the Chinese imports of around half a trillion bucks arrives in the Republic from plants either semi-funded by US capital, or funded by Chinese money but working on orders from the US, hence Biden will be unable to pursue policies that will truly harm China, these policies would harm the US corporates also.

If Biden were genuine to hit China he would withdraw China's the Permanent Normal Trade Relations Partner status (PNTR), it was granted to the country at the turn of the century, is still valid. Google for its benefits to China.

The best for the American Republic would be to co-exist with the Middle Kingdom, failing that the US hegemony cannot but implode, and implode spectacularly.

Posted by: Baron | Jun 10 2021 22:44 utc | 38

Any US "cyber attack" on China will fail sooner than later. I tried for decades to convince US manufacturers of critical equipment to Not use internet connections due to security risks. Every one went for the marketing gloss of "manage-it-from-anywhere" laughing off the risks despite increasing incidents. Now they know that this was a serious mistake, and I'm sure that they will do nothing but add some security hype to their marketing. Until major shutdowns scare and annoy the customer base. Even then they will blame others and refuse to fix the problem.

So the US will likely remain far more vulnerable than China because its suppliers are unregulated and understand nothing but lying, cheating, and stealing. They do not pay for security failures: their customers pay, and don't see alternatives.

Posted by: Sam F | Jun 10 2021 22:54 utc | 39

@ Baron 37
The best for the American Republic would be to co-exist with the Middle Kingdom
Agreed, but that's not best for the corporate establishment sustained by world-wide military presence against appointed enemies, of which China is one.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2021 22:57 utc | 40

Mayanmar Taiwan, these are the active trolling points.

Step 1: Get China into a Mayanmar military mess to sap their strength and stain their image in atrocities before the world.

Step 2: Something something something

Step 3: Profit.

Posted by: Lonkal | Jun 10 2021 22:57 utc | 41

Chinese behavior that clearly breaks universally accepted rules, as in the area of intellectual property theft; and control of vital national infrastructure.

There is not a case in any IP jurisdiction, including the WTO's TRIPS, of China stealing significant intellectual property.

The only vital infrastructure China controls is its own. Though not in the same league as Ports Dubai or Temasek, it operates ports and similar facilities elsewhere, but, like them, does so under sufferance of the host states.

Posted by: Godfree Roberts | Jun 10 2021 23:04 utc | 42

Taiwan, home of the Republic of China and China Airlines, claims that it is not Chinese. . .aah, the oriental mind . . .permitting the illusion of being all things to all people as they pick their through the vagaries of life. . .while the western minds have everything all figured out. . .often wrongly, of course

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2021 23:09 utc | 43

If it happens, the demand for reparations will fall on deaf ears globally as the Outlaw US Empire ahs steadfastly refused to pay reparations for its crimes, particularly in the case of Vietnam.

Another point made by Global Times writer Wu Lu:

"The Trump administration cold-shouldered ASEAN. Although the Biden administration vows to value more its allies and partners, it attaches importance to ASEAN for the sake of the US' own interests while acting arrogantly over the bloc.

"The US has seen ASEAN members as its vassals, wishfully believing that without the help of Washington, ASEAN countries would be bullied by China. But this goes drastically against the facts. 'The US sees itself as a savior to ASEAN. This is ill mentality. But it is hard to change, as the US has always defined itself in such a way,' Li Haidong, a professor at the Institute of International Relations of the China Foreign Affairs University, told the Global Times on Thursday.

"The US attaches importance to its alliance system because it needs to rely on allies and partners to gain an upper hand in geopolitical and strategic competition with China. The essence of US valuing allies is to make them serve Washington's geopolitical interests." [My Emphasis]

Exceptionalism and Manifest Destiny make for a strong brew for those with weak minds and the sociopaths that lead them. The professor's remarks could easily be duplicated by thousands of others globally.

It's clear Biden is well beyond redemption and Harris is as inept as Quayle. One writer expects to see a resurrection of State Capitalism and Neoliberalism's death thanks to China--maybe with or without a war. There are too many fools and group-think addicts within the federal government, universities and stink tanks, so the likelihood of someone akin to a Putin arising is close to zero. Hudson and many others see any hope of systemic change occurring via electoral politics as nil, which only leaves revolution as an alternative. But on that point, the Outlaw US Empire's public is so polarized anarchy would probably be the only result.

Or Biden could cross China's Red Line on Taiwan and launch China's operation to recapture it, which the Outlaw US Empire can't really do anything about aside from nuking China.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2021 23:11 utc | 44

I do not share vk lyrical admiration of China. If you have power, you are tempted to do stupid things because you can. Right now, USA has such power and China does not, so comparisons are "not fair". If USA, and allies induced by USA will behave as stupidly as in the recent decades for the next 20 years, their positions may be sufficiently reduced to have new world order:

throngs of foreign lobbyists and supplicants in the cavernous People's palaces of Beijing, trying to get some advantages or reducing disadvantages from the decisions of Imperial (scratch that, People's) government,

national leaders winning re-elections by propagating the notion that they are the only ones who get sufficient support fro the Imperial (scratch that...) government

Canadian capital renamed "Chinatown" while Canadian Prime and Foreign Ministers proclaims "China First" as the cornerstone of the unique Canadian role in the world (similar events, if less extremes, echoed all over the world)

etc.

etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 10 2021 23:33 utc | 45

Cyber warfare in the open is not an option for the US. Too many countries out there have capabilities and enough hatred to fuck up US bad. The only deterrant is that it is unacceptable in international law. If US does it openly, it will be the first to burn in flames.

Posted by: A | Jun 10 2021 23:35 utc | 46

Cyberwarfare <-- Posted by: A | Jun 10 2021 23:35 utc | 44

There is no particular reason why cyber attacks should be possible. The concept of "secure operating systems" was implemented decades ago, and security of the popular operating systems and applications would be accomplished if it was consistent with the business model of the largest software and hardware companies. Unfortunately, it is not. High time to change it.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 10 2021 23:49 utc | 47

Since we're on about Geopolitics, this RT article notes "Most EU citizens see Russia as an ally or a partner, rather than a rival or an adversary, new narrative-busting polling reveals." That was based on this article, which sees the results warranting the following headline: "Crisis of confidence: How Europeans see their place in the world."

Mark Curtis reports the UK's been sending China "dual-use" goods worth £2.6-billion over the past three years, which will be something Biden will tell BoJo must cease. But the UK must do something to try and balance its trade with China, just as the Outlaw US Empire must. Funny thing about those advocating Free Trade--they do so until they lose their advantage, then they revert to protectionism. And that's what's at the core of the issue today. In that vein, I suggest barflies perform an easy task. Go here to Michael Hudson's website; click on the search icon in the page's upper right corner; type in the word competitive; then use the ctrl-f function to search each essay for its usage. In almost all cases, he's referring to elements of the economy that make the USA's workforce uncompetitive, that if changed would make the wage differences almost a non-factor. Another important fact barflies could learn from Hudson is the reason why deindustrialization occurred in the first place:

"Another reason for deindustrialization is the rising cost of living stemming from conversion of public infrastructure into privatized monopolies. As the United States and Germany overtook British industrial capitalism, a major key to industrial advantage was recognized to be public investment in roads, railroads and other transportation, education, public health, communications and other basic infrastructure. Simon Patten, the first professor of economics at America’s first business school, the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, defined public infrastructure as a “fourth factor of production,” in addition to labor, capital and land. But unlike capital, Patten explained, its aim was not to make a profit. It was to minimize the cost of living and doing business by providing low-price basic services to make the private sector more competitive."

There's much more to the discussion than the above paragraph. Go here, use the ctrl-f function to find deindustrialization, and read onward from that point, which begins with the above paragraph. The point of the exercise is to learn what needs to be done to reverse some of the aspects of what was done if a genuine MAGA is desired and war with either China or Russia is to be avoided.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2021 23:57 utc | 48

China is the only country that has used its financial, economic and monetary system to outperform and outsmart the Financial Empire. Russia, Germany and Japan have struggled in this financial realm. China’s edge has been that it has learned from Empire’s past shenanigans and prepared well. It didn’t let its currency float!

Also, the Empire is lost in its hubris and out of luck. It has pushed Russia and China together. Russia has openly stated that it sees itself as a third power to China and the U$A. A multipolar world! The sooner Empire face this reality the better it will be for the world.

Nations would do better by trading in their respective national currencies and preventing an Empire from rising again.

Posted by: Max | Jun 11 2021 0:05 utc | 49

good one b!

b writes: "....If history is any guide they (the Pentagon) will downplay the reactions and capabilities of their opponent. They might even be able to lure a president into signing off such a mission...."

Tom Cotton is the one to fear the most perhaps, if he becomes president - he's an extremely aggressive alpha-male and a true war-monger in the 'tradition' of Joe Lieberman, McCain, Cheney, and Scoop Jackson etc etc....

He might be the one to get the US into a nuclear confrontation with either China or Russia. good grief....

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 11 2021 0:11 utc | 50

vk | Jun 10 2021 22:27 utc | 33

"For starters, China is not a capitalist nation-state..."

You yourself provided a week or so ago a list of financial practices that the Chinese gov't is either curtailing or halting because of how predatory they are.

the minim for being a socialist society is free education.

China is not socialist. period. I only, jokingly cuz it doesn't matter, said you are a CCP spokesperson simply b/c you take the CCP's statements at unquestioned face value. unquestioned. taking the CCP's response to the coronavirus as a measure of its real abilities seems more reliable, by which measure...the vicious incompetence and indifference of Western govts is on full display. China any day by that standard, but it's a false dichotomy.

I talk to students in mainland China all the time. they have deeply imbibed capitalist, consumerist ambitions and aspirations. many believe the myths about US superiority. and no student is allowed to be sick without permission. a 20 year old cannot say, "I am sick and don't want to go to school." as the suicide rates show, there is deep hostility within the Chinese education system to basic human need. they are making gingerbread kids in the ovens of their candy houses, as they are the world over. I could give worse examples of teachers tormenting the classroom in the name of Chinese nationalism. I am referring to upper middle and upper class kids, here. in the private system, b/c of socialism.

Happily for China, however, Gov Parson of Missouri is on the US team, and there are whole massive Klan rallies of people just like him, across the land.

people in the US are so innumerate and illiterate that the media can bash them w/fake words like "intellectual property theft" (Disney? am i supposed to care? Microsoft?) and fake numbers, like a "$250 billion" investment program to "counter China."

which turns out to be much more of a whimper than a bang. the time frame is minimally 5 years for "most of this", so it's 40 or 45 billion a year. does anyone know what these numbers mean relative to the US economy, federal budget, China's budget, the global economy, etc., etc.? no, they don't. the sanctions and other parts of this bill may be significant, in a bad way, but the dollar amount is a joke. and another reminder that capitalism is nonsense, what w/the state subsidies required to keep the turds afloat.

and someone remind Biden that the 21st century started 20 years ago: Biden has said he was “encouraged” by the Senate’s passage of the bill. “We are in a competition to win the 21st century, and the starting gun has gone off..." (from The Guardian) an amazing confession of dereliction and gross incompetence on Biden's part, isn't it? Biden is the perfect POS POTUS for this decrepit, decadent nation.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 11 2021 0:35 utc | 51

@ Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 10 2021 23:33 utc | 43

I don't admire China. To me, China's history started at 1911.

China is important for two reasons:

1) it managed to "fix" the Soviet socialist system, successfully reforming it where the USSR failed;

2) it did so at a global scale, i.e. for 1.4 billion people and at a scale sufficiently large to effectively "inherit" the political place of the USSR and trigger a second cold war by the capitalist powers.

It is completely wrong to treat the world we live in as a Hobbesian dystopia where nation-states freely compete between each other for ultimate supremacy until the End of Times (Geopolitical hypothesis). The USA is clearly being able to absorb and subdue the smaller and lesser capitalist nation-states (even if with varying degrees of success) in order to form a capitalist front against socialism (China, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela etc.). The only explanation for such easy submission of these smaller nation-states to the national interests of the USA is that, ultimately, they have consciousness they are part of the greater unity of capitalism and must fight for its preservation whatever the cost (even its own annihilation). There is a sense of capitalist brotherhood, and it is wrong to assume those small capitalist nation-states are not capable of sacrificing their own national interests in the name of capitalism (which is international by nature) - what else could explain, e.g. the situation in the Ukraine, Brexit or the existence of political parties like the German Greens?

Posted by: vk | Jun 11 2021 0:52 utc | 52

not a completely done deal, but the unanimity with which "the Innovation and Competition Act" was passed and will be finalized again proves there's ONE ruling class in the US. there's the AFC and NFC in the NFL, but one group of owners, one team, sitting in the skyboxes. when the ruling class wants something in the legislative arena, it gets done. filibuster anyone?

“There is no doubt that the one thing that unites Americans [these days] is distrust of China and a determination to compete," some Chatham House creep quoted in the Guardian. I'm glad neither the US nor UK have any history of racism or have ever given China any reason to ever distrust them.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 11 2021 0:52 utc | 53

The USA can't accept second place in the global pecking order. First, they've gotten so used to being # 1 that they can't imagine any other place. Second, being # 1, or at least convincing the American public of that, is the ruling class' primary source of legitimacy. Telling the public "great news! We're #2!" just doesn't have the same ring. Third, dollar hegemony has been the goose laying golden eggs for so long. Giving that up is like saying goodbye to all that wealth.

Of course, the 3rd reason is now only a matter of time, and probably not much more of it. And ironically the date has been greatly advanced by the massive efforts to slow it down. Probably some form of decline was inevitable since nothing lasts forever. But imagine if the USA never invaded Iraq, never sanctioned half the planet, didn't print its way out of one economic crisis after the next, etc, etc. Surely it would have remained #1 for an additional 20-30 years and maybe more.

Posted by: Lysander | Jun 11 2021 1:02 utc | 54

couldn't resist poking around for a sec on Leslie Vinjamuri's twatter feed, to see what Georgetown and Columbia and the LSOE have forged in the smithy of her soul:

"After a year and then some of Covid, quiet, isolation and tragedy for so many .. what a visit. Watching President Biden and First Lady Address U.S. Troops in the U.K."

what a visit.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 11 2021 1:05 utc | 55

wishful thinking thread #157/21

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 11 2021 1:19 utc | 56

Our host: The most likely path is a more aggressive United States which uses its presumed advantages to attack China's capabilities below the level of open warfare.

Cyber warfare is a field in which the U.S. has already invested a lot. If its uses those capabilities, unacknowledged and in a destructive way, China's industries could be seriously harmed."

I wonder what other fields of warfare the US has invested heavily in that could also be employed with deniability to destroy the Chinese economy? I'm having a tough time with this one, so could anyone help me out here?

Jeesh everyone! The war has already started and everyone knows it, particularly the Chinese. The US has hit China with multiple biowarfare attacks already, first targeting China's food production and most recently China's population itself. We can try to pretend otherwise, but the fact is that the war is already on, with millions of lives lost in "collateral damage" so far.

I realize that most people in the world have a delusional view of what America is all about that they got from basing their idea of the place on watching Baywatch and Dynasty, but at some point people will have to grow up and put away the Hollywood fairy tales.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 11 2021 1:32 utc | 57

We viets don't like China.

But it would take a special idiots to take America over China, America is Great Satan.

Posted by: Smith | Jun 11 2021 1:34 utc | 58

rjb1.5 @ 53
so Biden's visit to rally the troops in the UK is Dr. Leslie Vinjamuri's response to the horror show of the coronavirus. wow.

this is one of the gems of the Western education system right here. she exists to flatter the pretensions of the ruling class. But for China and co, the truth of the ruling class, its imbecility and dotage, is on full display.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 11 2021 1:34 utc | 59

@ william gruff.. lol... that was easy... circes buddy trump let that cat out of the house...

Posted by: james | Jun 11 2021 2:08 utc | 60

Adrian Zenz, who has been an anti-China star on BBC, has more.
NPR: (National Putrid Radio)
The United Nations has said that up to 1.5 million Uyghurs are in internment camps in China. Speaking to NPR's Weekend Edition last year, Adrian Zenz, senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, called it probably the largest incarceration of an ethnoreligious minority since the Holocaust and said the effort meets the U.N.'s definition of genocide. Earlier this year, the U.S. joined the European Union, the U.K. and Canada in sanctions against China to protest "human rights abuses."

Adrian Zenz is a German anthropologist known for his studies of the Xinjiang internment camps and Uyghur genocide. He is a senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation is a non-profit anti-communist organization in the United States, authorized by a unanimous Act of Congress in 1993 for the purpose of "educating Americans about the ideology, history and legacy of communism."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2021 2:35 utc | 61

Trump

MAGA

UK ambassador to FUS
Karen Pierce

We cant let the chicoms escape unscathed from our covid attack !
We don’t want to wake up one day and find that there’r Chinese setting standards on things like AI and cyber,”

BIden

China 2030 ?
Over my dead body

FUKUS couldnt compete with the Chinese fair and square , so how ?
They do what they do best,,,,...sabotage.

They've thrown everything at the chicoms now,

trade war, tariff.
Global Chinese exclusive act
[friend or foe, no deals with the chicoms or else],
TAM, Tibet, Xinjiang , HK destabisations
bird flu, swine flu, army worms, SARS2...

Yet China is still standing;.

What'll they think of next...?

They do what they do best, mud slinging.

FUK opens tribunal to investigate UIghurs genocide.

FUS prez orders intel to investigate [sic] nail the chicoms for covid in 90 days

.
NO sooner than BIden issued that order when hey presto, they trotted out tons of emails to finger WIV !
MInd you, those are FOIAed material, no less, sounds like serious stuff ;-)

Coincidentally,
this is the time of the year when FUKUS have been commermorating 'TAM MASSACRE' since 1989

Just the other day, Pompass was frothing at the mouth ranting on UIghurs genocide, wuflu and...
TAM 'massacre'

One would've thought , after thirty years and tons of expose, MOST people ought to know the truth about TAM by now?

Think so ?
You didnt reckon with CIA/MI6 might wurlitzer !

Take a look at this....especially the comments.
https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/06/04/search_engine_tiananmen/

OMFG,
Couldnt get pass the third post,..

FUKUS,
Hubris, deceit, hypocrisy personified.

Posted by: denk | Jun 11 2021 2:38 utc | 62

I already saw the proverbial writing on the wall last year, when China was showing their fully automated mask lines while the US were still sewing masks by hand.

Posted by: J W | Jun 11 2021 2:56 utc | 63

don bacon @ 22 recites Ross Perot's "the "giant sucking sound" when American manufacturing jobs were ejected from USA governed America by the copyright, patent and environmental laws.

Gerhard @ 20 reiterates deep south @ 2 The rise of CCP led China and the demise of the oligarch owned USA governed America was intentional. powers think civil war in America will somehow facilitate the return of ExBIT (bus, ind, tech). NoOneYouKnow@ 21 provides some evidence to support that oligarch intention.

As long as the ExBIT factories stay in China there will be no war. by: Down South @ 2

Responding to Deep South @ 2 is Seer, @ 5 <= mostly right, IMO.

Giant tax breaks and other coercive incentives" [to be used ] to entice ExBits to repatriate. Propaganda, rule of law, and false flag ops will be used to pacify the domestic governed. .

D dan @ 7 suggest corporate USA must learn to be a good little boy and find a niche in China-led, global trade. But D dan thinks it might be quite a while until the USA Oligarch and their knee breaker corporations learn to be still, be quite and do as China tells them.
thanks D dan @ 7, I think you are on the right track, But I believe USA governed Americans are going to preempt corporate America and restart competitive capitalism. Americans will individually develop open source technology without intention to deny USA corporate feudal lords access to their traditional monopoly powers. Most small business people (broke or still struggling) are fed up with global oligarch-owned corporate-led USA.

Entrepreneurial America has had it with the privatization of all things government because it directs all profits to the pockets a few Oligarch; the fake Pandemic was the last straw. Americans seem to be against the return of the ExBITs who benefited from copyright and patent law by relocating from USA governed America to CCP governed China.

I believe Americans will object to the return to America of the ExBITs from China (the folks that darted off to China, proved they are not Americans).

MAX @ 9 says "China and Russia are united to take on the Dollar Empire. " <= many Americans have been on that band wagon since 1913. When the dollar falls Americans are going to insist on the Abe Lincoln method; issue public currency (Greenbacks); I believe Greenbacks will defend the American recovery from Oligarch imposed treachery.

Psychohistorian @ 10 says "humanity is in a civilization war [with the nation state system] over public finance in contrast to private finance.<= I agree.

Stonebird @ 11 puts it: the who pays question: private issued fiat money[where private banks profit] or public issued money, where no one gains or loses by its issue.

Bruised Northerner @ 16 asks: "Could the U.S. try to get into a position useful to China; as Britain did when the USA took over?" <= i think subordination of America to China is the Oligarch plan..?

Vk @ 33 says There will never be a unipolar world order with China at its head, this is materially impossible <= I agree .. China is about organizing its affairs to better the condition of the humans it governs. Profit seeking is not compatible with a better mankind comes before profits..

karlof1 @ 46 points out: infra structure reduces cost of living and cost of doing business. <=explains why warriors destroy infra structure. BRI is a prime example of the benefit of infra structure.

Posted by: snake | Jun 11 2021 2:57 utc | 64



"Cyber warfare is a field in which the U.S. has already invested a lot. If its uses those capabilities, unacknowledged and in a destructive way, China's industries could be seriously harmed. The effects of random electricity failures, burning refineries and unreliable communication networks would accumulate to a slow down of China's growth. Ransomware like attacks on the Chinese banking system could leave its markets in chaos."

Now we can see the prescient wisdom behind the "Great Firewall of China".

Hopefully this upgraded version of that old wall will be successful at keeping the barbarians out ...

In any case, two can play at that game and the key questions are:

- Is Uncle Sam able to field as many cyber penetration teams as a country with 5 times as many STEM graduates as the US ?

- When half the electronics and control equipment in the US is already manufactured in China, what kind of advantage does the Uncle Sam have at the level of silicon and bare metal?

- When fewer Americans understand Mandarin than Chinese who understand English, how would they even know what to hack, when hacking requires gathering as much low level technical information on the target as possible and looking for subtleties that could be of advantage? "Social Engineering", I hear you say ? Really? From a culture that prefers to kill the opponent rather than understand them? Please.

- If last month's hack of the Colonial (?) pipeline was sufficient to cause immediate fuel shortages, what would be the impact of a larger retaliation by the Chinese on the US fuel network, especially if timed during a period of inclement weather.

Never play leapfrog with a unicorn ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 11 2021 2:58 utc | 65

Mr. Lysander | Jun 11 2021 1:02 utc | 52

Hubris was their bane.

Posted by: Fyi | Jun 11 2021 3:01 utc | 66

Mr. B.

A US war with China will result, with metaphysical certainty, in a defeat of the United States.

US, in any case, has no allies for such an undertaking; e.g. the Diet just passed the bill for joining RECP.

Posted by: Fyi | Jun 11 2021 3:07 utc | 67

Posted by: denk | Jun 11 2021 2:38 utc | 60


Take a look at this....especially the comments.
https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/06/04/search_engine_tiananmen/

OMFG,
Couldnt get pass the third post,..

I wonder if these commentators would express the same sentiments about the massacres in Gaza and the West Bank, Yemen, Syria, Iraq ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 11 2021 3:16 utc | 68

Thanks b, brilliant essay, precision chain of logic.

Posted by: Paul | Jun 11 2021 3:44 utc | 69

@ vk 50
USA is clearly being able to absorb and subdue the smaller and lesser capitalist nation-states (even if with varying degrees of success) in order to form a capitalist front against socialism (China, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela etc.)
It's more complex than that. European countries, Vietnam etc. are socialistic and are also US allies. The US adores Persian Gulf autocracies while it dumps on China. Communist Vietnam (which defeated the US fifty years ago) is okay, but the Communist Party of China (not "China") is bad.
So that leads to the conclusion that US policy is oriented toward world political and financial domination regardless of political dogma.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2021 3:57 utc | 70

I won't provide a link but I see that Amnesty International has put out a hit piece on China.

In my youth, Amnesty International along with Consumer Reports were considered reputable organizations. Those organizations have been infiltrated and coopted now to provide legacy cred to current propaganda....sad

Biden is going to fail to get the backing he wants to continue aggression against Russia and China. Australia, Japan and New Zealand will remain invested in the RCEP and the EU countries have too much trade with the China/Russia axis to play the Biden game much longer as evidenced by Nord Stream II completion.

I keep wanting Putin to stay in Russia and fear for his life in Geneva meeting with Biden...what a waste of time, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 11 2021 4:37 utc | 71

Jackrabbit #8

Thank you for the timely reminder. The thieving, lieing, global banksters are owed nothing from Russia.

Biden and his grubby team are up to no good whatsoever at this nonsense they call a summit. It will be interesting to see if/how Putin can turn it into a neutral affair. But the hubris infected lice are bound to insult Russia and hail themselves as exemplar global statesmen. Rsoles.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2021 4:49 utc | 72

Definitely have had a sea change in my thinking re: China from a western perspective. They are indeed leading the way, through their national-socialist style economy.

I still don't see much of a future for the U.S. in the eastern hemisphere, amd I am inclined to agree that for right now, America would be far better off nationalist and inward-looking, shunning trade with SE Asia. We don't need China and China does not need us. And the world would be better off as well.

We need a cataclysmic economic event in the U.S. to wake its population up. And then a truth-and-reconciliation to bring to light the forces that, as b wrote above, have destroyed the American economy. These were offshoring, neoliberalization, and the finance sector. All symptoms of the same evil: globalism.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 11 2021 5:04 utc | 73

In the beginning of the post, B pointed out that a minority of Americans believed that the US is a democracy. Here in the states we see the beginning of the Balkanization of the US into 5 statelets to escape the corruption. As this progresses, the US will shrink in influence.

Posted by: Nev | Jun 11 2021 5:56 utc | 74

There is much media back chatter about the need for 'reform' and changing the WTO 'rules', which, as we know, will be to the benefit of the rule makers, not the rule takers. No doubt the new rules have been in the making behind closed doors for some time.

One very well known rule changer, the multi lingual, former Australian Finance minister, Mathias Corman, has recently been appointed Secretary - General of the OECD.

https://theconversation.com/six-questions-about-mathias-cormann-newly-appointed-secretary-general-of-the-oecd-157305

There was a whole of government international campaign to shoehorn Corman into the job.

Posted by: Paul | Jun 11 2021 6:37 utc | 75

Britain already tried this, remember? They're called the "Opium Wars" in English.

The truth is that China has been the planet's most powerful economic power for nearly 2,000 years. Only the 15th-century eunuch's coup, the 19th-century European colonization, and Mao's "own goal" of the Cultural Revolution slowed it down.

I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords!

Posted by: Sam | Jun 11 2021 7:05 utc | 76

Not only is Biden trying to revive Trump's lab escape BS, his Blue Dot Network was actually a Trump plan (that was never really activated). I was surprised at the Suga and Moon appearance at the WH, since getting their two countries together is the first step towards a multi-lateral solution in the South China Sea. But alas, just a photo op. as they are refusing to meet at the G7 Summit. Their relations are truly at their lowest, and I know for certain that Falun Gong/Epoch Times is highly active in Japan, pushing anti-Chinese rhetoric and Fox tv BS with no real pushback, even though Japan, as well noted here, is highly dependent on not only Chinese production but also Chinese and other foreign labor as their population steadily declines. (Note: Suga will most likely be gone come October or November even if the Olympics go off without a hitch):

"We don't currently have a trilateral scheduled between the US, Japan and South Korea," Sullivan said in a press briefing.

"But I will tell you there's a possibility for virtually anything in these small spaces where you have just...in this case, 10 or 12 leaders in person there in Cornwall," the national security adviser added.

Biden and his South Korean counterpart, Moon Jae-in, held a bilateral summit in Washington on May 21, which marked Biden's second in-person meeting with a foreign leader since he took office in January. Biden's first summit was with Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga.

The Biden administration has repeatedly emphasized the importance of close relationship between the US and its allies, as well as cooperation among its allies.

Seoul-Tokyo relations are currently at a low following more than two years of a renewed dispute over their shared history that began when a Seoul court ruled in favor of South Koreans forced into free labor by Japanese firms during Japan's 1910-45 colonial rule of Korea.

Japan has since imposed a series of retaliatory measures, including the imposition of restrictions on South Korea-bound shipments of three key materials used to produce semiconductors in 2019, although it denies any links between such steps and the history issue.
http://m.koreaherald.com/amp/view.php?ud=20210608000132

Posted by: Eddie D | Jun 11 2021 7:22 utc | 77

RE: Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2021 3:57 utc | 68
Very true!
I have been living in Vietnam (Saigon) for about 10 years now and the government is being extremely pragmatic in playing both sides (Obama passed through at the end of his second term and lifted a prohibition on arms sales to Vietnam and USN ships have visited Vietnam - one infamously becoming a Covid ship but not due to Vietnam!). The country was extremely strict and prudent during the original Covid outbreak, making it an exemplar case study. There have been a few bumps and a current comparatively tiny outbreak (the first Covid death in Saigon occurred recently) has brought a fairly strict lockdown, but the Vietnam economy was one of the only ones with growth for 2020 and they are benefitting from some companies looking to get out of China.
One key factor for Vietnam is that the Communist Party makes sure not to let a cult of personality develop around any leader. Development here is following the Chinese path really, and they have been subject to sanctions and tariffs over IP and dumping, but the US really needs the country, especially with it's massive coastline on the South China Sea...

Posted by: Eddie D | Jun 11 2021 7:43 utc | 78

Arch Bungle 66
'I wonder if these commentators would express the same sentiments about the massacres in Gaza and the West Bank, Yemen, Syria, Iraq ...'


Hypocrisy and hubris, [[[five liars]]] trademark..

Moreover,
Poor dears dont even realise they'r the most dumbed down sheeple in the world/

They asked 'what happened to that tank man pic ?'
Is that supposed to be the smoking gun of TAM 'massacre of unarmed students'?
LOL

What they should've ask is,
'what happened to all those pics showing unarmed soldiers beaten, lynched and burned to charcoals,by violent agent provocateurs, how come none of it ever appeared in any MSM ?'

https://www.voltairenet.org/article177116.html

Posted by: denk | Jun 11 2021 7:46 utc | 79

@8 Jackrabbit
The shock policy in the 1990`s had been necessary because for slow pace reforms Russia would have needed somebody willing to pay for the transition period. As it turned out after decades of cold war nobody wanted to do that.

The Soviet Union should have implemented meaningful reforms in the 1970`s when they still would have been voluntary. Instead the system kept a demented as leader (Brezhnev) who stood for stability (stagnation). Any similarities to a contemporary super power are pure coincidence ...

Posted by: m | Jun 11 2021 8:58 utc | 80

China just needs to focus on removing the USD as the world reserve currency. Once that is achieved, the US will likely implode and be much less of a nuisance.

The main issue is the amount of USD held by China, who understands lose-lose just as well as it does win-win.

Replacing it with the Yuan would only hurt exports, so no win there really. Either Crypto or Euro are the most likely alternatives, but both come with baggage too.

EU countries hold about as much USD reserves as China, but with a fraction of the population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-exchange_reserves
and the same issue goes with using the Euro as reserve hurting EU exports...

Crypto... see previous blogpost on MoA... Bitcoin is already banned in China.

Russia is clearly pushing for a USD demise, but it cannot do it alone and so long as China and EU don't play along it's a non starter.

So what's the play then? Color revolutions in the USA? Seems like the most obvious path to implosion. Ideological subversion seems to be already setting in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 11 2021 9:06 utc | 81

Americans are a nation of megalomaniacs and sociopaths.

The Americans would rather destroy the world if they cannot continue to dominate and rape it (hidden behind their Orwellian lies called "Freedom and Democracy").

This is fundamental to American identity as the misbegotten spawn of the British Empire and European colonialism.

In its essence, the United States is a fundamentalist religion founded upon a delusion in America's divinely-anointed status as the Shining City on a Hill and Beacon of Liberty.

Though disguised behind propaganda about a "Rules-Based World Order," America in truth thinks it has a Manifest Destiny to rule the world.

That is what Biden's chest-beating about "Winning the 21st Century" is really about.

In this sense, Americanism=Zionism. Both are the civilizational progeny of the Imperialist West in general, which itself is also nothing more than an aggressive religion masquerading as a "Liberal Democracy."

The bottom line: America is a civilizational threat.

As such, the United States cannot be reasoned with, appeased, or pandered to.

The Americans will have to be destroyed.

If the DisUnited States has a Civil War and shatters into a hundred pieces, Americans should consider themselves lucky.

The other option will be nuclear war in which the North American continent will become the Inferno.

America Is a Religion - An Aggressive One
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/how-its-exceptionalism-makes-america-dumb-and-aggressive/ri12257

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 11 2021 10:16 utc | 82

If laws enabling monopoly powers to be owned by
......private entities were removed from the books..?
If the practice of granting private interest public contracts
......to do governments' work were made illegal and fully stopped..?
if the practice of requiring an education or prior experience as candidate
......prerequisite to challenge examinations that enable one to
............practice medicine, law or other professions were made illegal..?
if the issue of any license to provide a service of any kind were open to all
......(without regard to prior candidate experience or education) but who
......could successfully challenge the required standards were mandated by law.. ?
If public laws enabling private ownership of expressions produced from know-how, experiment
......and design, etc. were erased, what would the ExBITs do?
......ExBITs (Business, Industry, and Technology doing business in foreign places).. ?

Copyrights and patents capture and place "public monopoly power" into private ownership. Nearly all objects of commerce are creations that depend in some way on human invention, human scripts(language, culture and religion), human developed code or instruction, human developed technology, and human created art (Did Marx intend to leave labor by the mind of mankind out of his theory concerning the distribution of benefits when labor of the human mind is used to produce articles of commerce.. ?).

It is the monopoly powers over nearly everything vested by law and practice in private hands that have weaken the use by the governed of the domestic political systems. The domestic governed no longer can use the political system to control their own governments. The domestic political system has been splintered and its parts privatized. The privateers have rendered the domestic political system useless to the domestic governed.

The findings of science (technology) and the discoveries of mankind (experience derived know-how) etc. are products of the labor of the human mind. The use of these findings and discoveries have been privatized and made into monopolies owned by powerful commercial mafias. Private control over the use of the technologies and experiences enable a monopoly privilege; only the owner can use science and experience to design, extract, transport, and market articles of commerce..?

There is a difference between back breaking labor and mental labor. Back breaking labor can only be used once. one cannot build on dam and use the same effort to build 100 more dams. It will take 100 times the effort in the one, to build the other 100 dams.

Basically these laws and practices that privatize <= support trafficking in products produced by the labor of the human mind. (enslaving the labor of the mind is a relatively new form of slavery). Such laws: do something else, they make commercial interest partners of the governments. It is for this reason that Biden seeks to war on China, I think. China hosts those who own the monopoly powers that were once public rights in America.

Posted by: snake | Jun 11 2021 10:39 utc | 83

See my comment @ 73 Re changing the 'rules' this from today's Australian Financial Review:


'PM on a G7 mission to build a coalition to repair trade rules and push back against China.
Scott Morrison touched down in England tonight on a high-stakes mission to win support among some of the world’s most powerful leaders for his stance on China and a post-Trump return to following the rules on world trade.'

Note the semantics, "repair" trade rules and "push back" against China.

Posted by: Paul | Jun 11 2021 10:58 utc | 84

"U.S. has only 600,000 STEM graduates per year."

Reminder that even most of these graduates are from China, and the increasing state-sanctioned hostility and racist vitriol in the US would make them even more likely to back to their motherland.

Posted by: Hangar | Jun 11 2021 11:01 utc | 85

Posted by: snake | Jun 11 2021 10:39 utc | 81

If you mean to say the globalist no they don't. Even now they are racking their brains in coming up with 5G without Huawei technology in it.

These whole China and Globalist thing that right wingers nutcase keep throwing about precipitate on the assumption that the US intentionally raised China to be the next powerhouse while intentionally killing the US.
They are dead wrong. China raise itself just like South Korea and Japan raise itself. It's just capable to do so by nature of it's population average IQ if given enough stability.
The difference between China and two of it's preceding Asian industrial power is that China kept their sovereignty both in politics and in it's domestic economy.
Whereas that South Korea and Japan internal policy suffers from long arm of the US China can keep steady development where it should be without interruptions from aboard.

Posted by: Lucci | Jun 11 2021 11:05 utc | 86

"Cyber warfare is a field in which the U.S. has already invested a lot. If its uses those capabilities, unacknowledged and in a destructive way, China's industries could be seriously harmed. The effects of random electricity failures, burning refineries and unreliable communication networks would accumulate to a slow down of China's growth. Ransomware like attacks on the Chinese banking system could leave its markets in chaos."

The thing is, even CIA's intelligence network in China have been thoroughly dismantled in 2010 and since then the US and its intelligence apparatus is basically work in the dark against China. Their recent attempt of smuggling 4 agents via boat which got sunken by a typhoon should tells you the capabilities of US cyber warfare.

Posted by: Hangar | Jun 11 2021 11:07 utc | 87

Interestingly, the droll money markets are part of the shadow banking system.  This place where people park their 'safe' money is used as collateral by the hedge funds, etc for various risky financial speculative transactions.  A lot of people were surprised when we 'broke the buck' in 2008.  Nothing was done to fix this but instead the Fed doubled down in protecting the bond holders and other elites.

The next implosion will surely be worse and people won't like losing their safe money.  China and Russian are protecting themselves with their efforts to move away from the USD.

Posted by: financial matters | Jun 11 2021 11:17 utc | 88

Posted by: Hangar | Jun 11 2021 11:07 utc | 87

Yes, if your own cyber-defenses are primarily PR-offensives, perhaps you should not go on the cyber-warpath. US IT is not secure, and that is a feature, not a bug. And we put everything on the internet because it was cheap and easy and it allowed to lay a lot of unimportant people off.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 11 2021 12:32 utc | 89

"Russia is clearly pushing for a USD demise, but it cannot do it alone and so long as China and EU don't play along it's a non starter."

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 11 2021 9:06 utc | 81

Russia is not clearly pushing anything. Russia is standing back with its guard up, keeping an eye on the crazy guy until he collapses and it is aafe to see what can be done for him.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 11 2021 12:41 utc | 90

War on China? The Obama/Clinton "pivot" to Asia ten years ago is still not realized.
. . .from Defense One:

“The Department must be ready to meet and keep pace with our competitors and, if necessary, to fight and win the next war, not the last one,” Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told the Senate on Thursday, noting the drawdown in Afghanistan. Now, it’s time to focus on China.
“From a strictly military standpoint, I think China is the No. 1 threat as we go forward,” said Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who was testifying alongside Austin.
But the 2022 budget request shows that despite withdrawal in Afghanistan, war operations in the Middle East will continue to demand resources that might have flowed to Indo-Pacific Command.
The military footprint at regional bases in Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, and other Middle East locations used to support forces in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan will drop by only 2,000 personnel to 43,900—even though force levels in Afghanistan will drop from 3,500 to what’s needed to support the embassy. Force levels in Iraq and Syria increased by 3,000 personnel for fiscal year 2021, according to budget documents, however the exact numbers of forces in either country is not publicly reported by the Pentagon. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2021 13:14 utc | 91

@ Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2021 3:57 utc | 70

By logic, if the USA dominates x country, then x country isn't the USA's "ally", but its province.

Throwing the term "ally"/"alliance" like candy, as if it was a magic word, doesn't save Geopolitics. It doesn't hold to scrutiny.

And Vietnam is not on the same level as the Western European countries and Japan and South Korea: when its national interests are on the line, it doesn't hesitate to ignore the USA. Just to give a recent example:

Beijing, Hanoi Agree to Establish Naval Hotline to Resolve Emergencies in South China Sea

Posted by: vk | Jun 11 2021 13:41 utc | 92

...
I keep wanting Putin to stay in Russia and fear for his life in Geneva meeting with Biden...what a waste of time, IMO
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 11 2021 4:37 utc | 71

Don't fret.
The hit-list which would result if Putin were to be bumped off in Geneva would be delightfully lengthy, and written in blood. It would almost certainly include the Head Jew - the MoU who decides who will, and who won't, run for office in the 'Christian' West. Corbyn (UK) and Sanders (US) were successfully de-legitimised by the "Israel" Lobby.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 11 2021 14:27 utc | 93

yeah, yeah. its bluster, sonny. G7 + NATO before Russia/US summit. Biden is just blowing the horn handed to him. Neither he, nor his "senior advisers" have any strategy. The US/NATO are being so hard outplayed by Russia/China and the "global south" that its pitiful. A new generation of global diplomats/analysts know what the US/NATO/IMF have done, and are pushing back against corporate empire lawlessness, deftly.

Posted by: Donny Matter | Jun 11 2021 14:38 utc | 94

m @Jun11 8:58 #80

I think the Deep State knew exactly what they were doing. And even if they didn't, it was a blunder nontheless. As was continuing to ignore Russia for a decade after the catastrophe had played out. "Reset Button" bullshit was not going to make things right.

Society pays for such 'policy failure' in the form of misallocated resources: trillions of dollars in excess military + spy budgets and the high cost of wars. That money could be put to better use. Those behind such 'policy failure' are never held accountable - instead they profit. And so it goes on...

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 11 2021 15:20 utc | 95

Not only is Biden trying to revive Trump's lab escape BS ...

Yeah, and the plan to harmonize corporate tax rates is just a Biden tax cut.

Every US President seeks to cut taxes and increase defense spending.

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We used to talk of "ObamaBush" has the third or fourth term of Bush. We now effectively have President Biden H. Trump. Because Cold War.

Yes, the "H" is for the Harris window-dressing.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 11 2021 15:29 utc | 96

Psycho 71

I keep wanting Putin to stay in Russia and fear for his life in Geneva meeting with Biden...what a waste of time, IMO
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 11 2021 4:37 utc | 71

I have the same uneasy feeling. PTB are certainly willing Putin dead or maimed.

I really don't see the usefulness of this meeting. On top of this, Biden will
have the gall to want to lecture Putin.

Remember that it was after some trip that both Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez fell gravely ill, shortening their useful lives.

I will keep my fingers crossed.


Posted by: CarlD | Jun 11 2021 15:36 utc | 97

It's a laugh that no Amerikastani article on China's space programme can be written without a compulsory reference to the canard of the "uncontrolled re entry" of the Long March rocket. Breaking news: all rocket debris re entry is "uncontrolled ". If it's controlled, it's not a rocket, it's a missile. And the debris fell harmlessly into the Indian Ocean exactly as expected, so there were no "casualties ". Note that the article, with typical Amerikastani dishonesty, did not say that the coordinates it presented, longitude 72.47 degrees east and latitude 2.65 degrees north, are of open ocean. Meanwhile, remind me what happened to the last Amerikastani launch? Oh, right, the rocket debris fell on a farm.

https://earthsky.org/space/shenzhou-12-mission-launch-2021/

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 11 2021 15:41 utc | 98

it is wrong to assume those small capitalist nation-states are not capable of sacrificing their own national interests in the name of capitalism (which is international by nature) - what else could explain, e.g. the situation in the Ukraine, Brexit or the existence of political parties like the German Greens?

Posted by: vk | Jun 11 2021 0:52 utc | 52 <-- vk

Germany is a complex country, but it is not SMALL. Thus it makes some sacrifices in the name of Atlantic solidarity, but it also avoids some other. Interestingly, while Greens rose to being the most popular party, now that Nord Stream 2 is close to completion,
1. Greens tabled a resolution to shut it down and impose severe sanctions on Russia, and ALL other parties voted against,
2. Greens dropped in polls by 4-7 percent.
Having a photogenic leader, unlike the leading CDU, lifted Greens, but their demands of sacrifice (that you correctly characterized) do not help their popularity.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 11 2021 15:44 utc | 99

snake @64 - i think subordination of America to China is the Oligarch plan..?

Could well be. That would place America under the Eurasian umbrella, which happens to geo-politically favour Britain, I guess? As a Canadian, I think it is an illusion to think that France and Germany prefer ties with the US over the UK. Geopolitics rule -- the UK can form agreements with the other major players in Europe at lightening-quick speed if it's keeps an outsider off their turf. (Those of us in the Americas wait for decades to get some movement out of those countries, but among themselves, they can churn out 400 pages of regulatory boilerplate and collect all the required signatures for some legislation in a single day. Or thereabouts.)

The British-Anglo elites have separate interests from the American-Anglo elites. I think this is often overlooked (ie. they're lumped in one Anglo group with the assumption that Anglo means American). In Canada, the division between the two is more apparent. (Pacific Ocean access, North American market, and all that.)

Canada definitely hyped the rise of China in the 90's. As a country who requires a strong Russia (especially to keep the British on their side of the Atlantic), Canada invested in China's rise as much as possible. It was strange, as I recall. Immigration from China was promoted, but generally speaking, polite, cooperative Chinese citizens are not the kind of immigrants Canada targets. Folks who immigrate here, who are enthusiastic about those with authority, migrate on to the USA. It's inevitable. In the 90's, we could not compete/compare. So Canada would focus on immigrants with a grudge against prevailing authorities, like the Sikh community from India, or the Irish, or the Syrians. (Trudeau greeted a planeload of Syrian immigrants in 2015, after announcing Canada would accept 25,000 Syrian immigrants that year.) These are the kinds of people who stay in Canada -- those who only go to the border with the US to spit across it. So this wave of Chinese immigrants in the 90's came across as very odd and evoked mistrust through no fault of their own. I still think Canadian society struggles with Sinophobia for that reason (among others, I'm sure).

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 11 2021 15:48 utc | 100

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