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May 16, 2021

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-037

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

>  In a recent book, Luke Harding, an investigative reporter at The Guardian, described how Mr. Steele had dispatched his “collector” to surreptitiously approach a real estate broker, Sergei Millian, who was a peripheral figure in the Trump/Russia saga. “Millian spoke at length and privately to this person, believing him or her to be trustworthy — a kindred soul,” Mr. Harding wrote.

But the trouble for Mr. Harding, who is close to both Mr. Steele and Mr. Simpson, was that he wrote those lines before the release of the F.B.I. interview of Mr. Danchenko.

In the interview, the collector said that he and Mr. Millian might have spoken briefly over the phone, but that the two had never met.

Mr. Harding did not respond to requests for comment.  <

Other issues:

Another CDC Covid-19 Screw up:

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on May 16, 2021 at 13:15 UTC | Permalink

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I don't see Israel in my crystal ball past 2024.
So, I think that Hezbollah is going to be involved within the next 90days in the Zio-Arab conflict in the occupied territories.

The 3rd Intifada is inevitable because Israel and its Orthodox Jews are bent to destroying the Jerusalem holy mosque ( and that won't happen without a long fight that Israhell is going to lose miserably.

After Israhell is defeated, Syria is going to grab back the Golan Heights without firing a shot.

Posted by: Nostradamus | May 17 2021 5:15 utc | 101

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 17 2021 3:17 utc | 96

at least the courageous and righteous dock workers, etc in Italy have enough humanity not to load ships full of armaments bound for the apartheid regime

And with more than 75% of Israel's arms coming from the USSA and UK, it's food for thought why no such actions happen among the 'stevedores' in those places. In Americlown's place, people strike or refuse to work or attempt to demonstrate in their personal time, it's grounds for automatic "at will" cancelation. Every industry since the union busting of the coal mines and steel mills to include the NFL (Kaepernick blackballed). In that country you lose your job, you lose your health care, you likely lose your home because most are living paycheck to paycheck, not because they are jetsetting around the world or buying $75,000 Ford pickups, but because the cost of living has far outpaced wages. Besides that, most American workers are simply too busy to find places like MoA, Grayzone, Magnier, etc. in order to get the truth. They hear about "clashes" in Israel and Palestine and it takes actual work and time that they've got to devote to their families and just "getting by" - Italy has its share of problems, but clearly they are a much more educated populace and based on the actions of these dock workers, labor still has at least SOME power there. Not so in the USSA, and then there's the Israel Lobby and, again, being canceled for standing up for the Palestinians.

I am not as familiar with the average UK worker, but given the way that Corbyn was canceled by the Israel Lobby there, I am guessing a similar dynamic is at play. Refuse to ship arms to Israel which "has a right to defend itself" and be accused of anti-Semitism, support for "terrorists" and fired - on the spot - if not forced out over a period of whatever contractually mandated amount of time an employee may be terminated if he/she is in a union.

It's not so much that Americans don't have a spine, it's that their system inclusive of mainstream and social media, makes it intentionally difficult to obtain accurate information about US foreign policy and the actions of their "allies" like Israel and Saudi Arabia (the details of the USS Liberty attack and 9/11 are widely suppressed and lied about) and on top of that they're swimming in non-stop propaganda vis a vis the Israel Lobby and all the politicians and media outlets it essentially controls.

Finally, there's the fact that the anti-war left has been systematically crushed in that country and what's left of it has found that the only things they're allowed to say - and which can potentially give them a platform and power (including to "cancel" mostly the wrong people) - is "woke" pop culture, not a culture of support for ALL workers in the gangster corporate/bankster capitalist system. No, that's not allowed and it will not be aired. Just as anti-war (and anti-drug war) opinions will not be allowed on television except for marginalized (but highly viewed) programs like Tucker Carlson and on Joe Rogan and Alex Jones (though the latter is truly an idiot, probably CIA/NSA asset). That makes it even easier for the establishment to vilify and ignore the Tulsi Gabbards, Glenn Greenwalds, Matt Taibbis, Ben Nortons, Noam Chomskys, Michael Tracys, Yasha Levines and other ostensibly left-ish critics of empire (and Israel). MSNBC, which is regarded as "ultra leftist" by some of my American friends and family fired Phil Donahue for deigning to criticize the march toward the illegal invasion of Iraq and Rachel Madcow pushes CIA/NSA propaganda without hesitation now. This started with Bush and Obama, not Trump.

In my former home, Texas, one must essentially sign a loyalty oath to Israel in order to take a state taxpayer funded job including teacher or district attorney. That is how deep and wide the Zionists' propaganda has metastasized.

Posted by: K_C_ | May 17 2021 5:17 utc | 102

After Israhell is defeated, Syria is going to grab back the Golan Heights without firing a shot.

Posted by: Nostradamus | May 17 2021 5:15 utc | 103

As much as I wish you were right, oh wise one, I don't see that happening in my own crystal ball. However, I will continue to check in here and at other places which shine a light on the atrocities that are part and parcel of a colonial settler state with advanced weaponry and a very bad attitude based on years of brainwashing.

It's likely someone has linked to this article in the past few days, but even if so, it bears re-posting.

Posted by: K_C_ | May 17 2021 5:21 utc | 103

@tommy the cat | May 17 2021 1:54 utc | 90

Also, could someone link me to a good in depth resource on Ukraine? I'm out of the loop. ty

Alexander Mercouris has very interesting video analyses on many topics, Ukraine and Russia included. Highly recommended. You can find his channel at

The latest video on Ukraine is this one

Posted by: Norwegian | May 17 2021 5:41 utc | 104

Irish MP lays into Israel's ambassador. No such spine exists within any member of Uncle Scam's government, not even Omar.


Posted by: K_C_ | May 17 2021 5:57 utc | 105


the idiot czechs have been joined by the idiot austrians. any other european nincompoops up for supporting the war criminals of the outlaw apartheid state aka israel?
Richard Medhurst Flag of Syria/Flag of Palestinian Territories

Austria’s idiot chancellor @sebastiankurz thought it would be a good idea to raise an israeli flag over the Chancellery & stain Vienna’s decades long reputation as a neutral center for international diplomacy. Iran’s Foreign Minister has just cancelled his trip to Flag of Austria in protest.

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 17 2021 6:32 utc | 106

For those on this forum who cannot imagine 'israel' will dissolve in the near future:

I spent some time in the old Apartheid Republic of South Africa, particularly during the period between 1990 - 1994 and one thing that struck me was that the regime' was never stronger militarily and economically than the day it handed over power and caved to the ANC.

They also had nuclear weapons (thanks to israel and the french) at the time.

My prediction is that the israeli regime will be at the height of it's power the very day before it all falls apart. There will be no gradual degradation and fading away.

It will be come clear on one idle weekday that the game is up and even the zionist's immense capacity for self-deception will not be enough to change that.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 6:59 utc | 107

Re covid cases in India
Recently govt changed the testing parameters. Now it is testing only symptomatic people and people who are daily exposed like delivery people etc. Even with that the daily cases exceed 0.27 million but the game is given away by the fact that death exceeds 4000.( The death is traditionally under counted to give appearance that things are under control). The govt is now giving permission to all WHO approved vaccines making a mess of already muddled situation. What it is not doing is to inform that early treatment with HCQ or ivermectin protocols cures the disease.

Posted by: R M Rao | May 17 2021 7:04 utc | 108

@Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 6:59 utc | 109

You have very interesting observations, I hope you are correct. I noticed your statement over at The Saker where you said "Inflict a complete no fly zone and no-shipping zone to prevent replenishing stores coming in from the US." and that "may be all that’s needed". So this is something worth watching.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 17 2021 7:06 utc | 109

Posted by: Norwegian | May 17 2021 7:06 utc | 111

"Inflict a complete no fly zone and no-shipping zone to prevent replenishing stores coming in from the US." and that "may be all that’s needed". So this is something worth watching.

Indeed. Just to clarify further, the No-Fly zone I'm referring to is of course just the denial of civilian (cargo) flights landing at airports, since that is already within the means of Hamas - and not even through actual missile attacks but merely the threat of them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 7:43 utc | 110

Look like the chinese has already made the case in the UN last Sunday but was blocked by the US.

I hope it doesn't just stop there, tbh, Russia has too much baggage in Israel to intervene (lot of Russian speakers in Israel), and the US is the US.

Posted by: Smith | May 17 2021 7:44 utc | 111

Is there a reason why we would want to divert colossal resources into going to Mars at all? There appear to be more pressing needs right here.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 17 2021 8:49 utc | 112

@ Patroklos | May 17 2021 8:49 utc | 114

It's there. Scientific exploration is an inspiration to everybody. It provides education and inspiration, and it can be done in the name of all mankind. That is a more pressing need than bombing Gaza. The level of science understanding is very poor these days and getting worse, it is a direct threat to society.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 17 2021 9:08 utc | 113

@ Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 6:59 utc | 109

You're right. I spent some time in the last days of "french apartheid" in Algiers [according to Fyi a "department" where Arabs are full french citizens, 🤪].
As I wrote, like in RSA, french army was at the top of violent crimes and "win" the "Algiers fight" but somebody had to cut the rope while colonialism had no more support in France and Europe [and no more economic value!]
What is economic value of Zionistan?
Time to cut the rope.

The best support from outside is BDS and denounce Apartheid. Zionism is collapsing.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 17 2021 9:26 utc | 114

@ Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 6:59 utc | 109

You're right. I spent some time in the last days of "french apartheid" in Algiers [according to Fyi a "department" where Arabs are full french citizens, 🤪].
As I wrote, like in yours, french army [and racist OAS "french citizens"] was at the top of violent behavior & win the "Algiers fight" but somebody had to cut the rope while colonialism had no more support in France and Europe [and no more economic value!]
What is economic value of Zionistan?
Time to cut the rope.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 17 2021 9:39 utc | 115

@Grieved | #95 & #98

Thanks for the encouragement, endorsement and elucidation of my post (#33) and the FLCCC paper


Anyone who is interested in daily updates, brief and accurate information on the dramatic impact of early treatment of Covid-19 (in Mexico, India and worldwide), in trials of repurposed drugs, etc should check out Covid19Crusher Twitter account

@vk | #53

Ivermectin is not "the silver bullet the petty bourgeoisie is lobbying for in order to send the workers to death so they can break even with their failed businesses"

Ivermectin is an adjunct to a fully functioning immune system (not one deficient in vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, etc), a fully functioning worldwide socialised healthcare system (not a financialised, pharma-dominated drug regime), and a healthy planetary eco-system (not one almost completely destroyed by over-industrialisation, whether of a capitalist or any other economic political system)

Unfortunately, Marxism, despite its 'scientific nature', unlike Ivermectin, has not been found so far to contain any anti-viral properties ... although it is an extremely valuable antidote to the Parasite of financialisation

The Virus and the Parasite

Posted by: Hemiola | May 17 2021 10:07 utc | 117


     May 14, 1948 - June 8, 2027

   "They were just human after all"

Posted by: librul | May 17 2021 10:25 utc | 118

Observational study of Ivermectin use on covid patients from the university hospital of Marseille

Posted by: Mina | May 17 2021 10:41 utc | 119

Posted by: Patroklos | May 17 2021 8:49 utc | 114

I was thinking maybe we could get all the billionaires to go to Mars, you know, "The most exclusive rich mens resort in the Universe. Naked Martian bimbos!!!" They could all get away from us and socialize with their peers there. "Trump Phobos". And so on. I think we could sell it.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 17 2021 10:49 utc | 120

It's all cool until someone establishes a base in outer space and start making an artillery system that loop asteroids back to Earth.

If you think nuclear war is crazy, imagine that.

The japanese have thought of one of those systems before, in one of their anime shows, Metal Armor Dragonar last I recall.

Posted by: Smith | May 17 2021 12:22 utc | 121

Switzerland has fully reopened since 2 weeks and the numbers are falling down despite a very low vaccination roll out

Posted by: Mina | May 17 2021 12:32 utc | 122

@Smith | May 17 2021 12:22 utc | 124

It's all cool until someone establishes a base in outer space and start making an artillery system that loop asteroids back to Earth.

The Earth already passes through the Taurid stream twice each year, in June and November. The Taurid stream contains remnant material from a comet, nowadays it is comet 2P/Encke that orbits the Sun once every 3.3 years. However, it is believed that the Taurid stream is a remnant of a much larger comet that disintegrated only 20k to 30k years ago. I suspect it was one or more fragments from it that hit North America ~12900 years ago and wiped out a pretty advanced world wide civilization that left megalithic structures that still can be found all around the world today, one example is Saqsaywaman In Peru.

Another, much more recent event, likely also a fragment from the Taurid stream, is the Tunguska Event in Siberia 30 June 1908, where an air-burst flattened more than 2000 square kilometers of forest. Had it exploded over a city like e.g. St. Petersburg, it would have been completely wiped out.

Even more recently, in 2013, we saw a large meteor exploding over the city of Chelyabinsk, Russia, creating a powerful shock wave causing damage to buildings. This happened in February 2013, so it probably did not originate from the Taurid stream, but then it shows there are multiple sources of such fragments.

It is not a question of whether a large comet or asteroid fragment will cause serious damage to life on Earth, but when it will happen. It has happened many times in the past and it will happen again. You don't really need Hollywood style villains for it to come true. Nature does it all by itself.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 17 2021 13:26 utc | 123

@119 : "And tunnel worker is a job with future... Keep the economy running. "

Sure thing, and among others advantages,no funeral costs : burial is provided on site !

Posted by: murgen23 | May 17 2021 13:26 utc | 124

Posted by: james | May 16 2021 18:56 utc | 39

Posted by: james | May 16 2021 18:56 utc | 39

“Chan Chan” became a really popular song after Compay Segundo's hit, you can check him out in youTube, there’s a version by the group "Play For Change" with the style that probably will be remembered as pandemic, since the musicians are dispersed all over the world. There is a version of Guantanamera in the same vein with a lot more rhythm.

When it comes to Cuban street music I love this one, “Black Tears”, a version that a Spanish flamenco singer -El Cigala- made very popular with the late Cuban pianist Bebo Valdes, "Lágrimas Negras".

Going back home after twenty years is like being born anew.

Feels a bit like blasphemy to talk happy music when the stream of terrible images keeps on flowing, but somehow this time feels different, hopefully the suffering of Palestine will end soon and with justice.

Posted by: Paco | May 17 2021 13:36 utc | 125

@ Norwegian

Probability-wise, some asteroids are gonna hit the Earth sooner or later, just like some days you are gonna fall down the stair.

Still, an artificial weaponized asteroid launcher directly aim at Earth, that's another ballgame.

Anyone controls that practically put the whole Earth as their hostage.

Posted by: Smith | May 17 2021 13:39 utc | 126

@Smith | May 17 2021 13:39 utc | 129

There is no practical technology available to do what you suggest, even if Hollywood wants to give a different impression. Even landing a small craft on the Moon or Mars is a major undertaking stretching the technology to its limits. At best the 'ballgame' would be be orders of magnitude less powerful than the Tunguska event, not to speak of the event 12900 years ago that triggered the Younger Dryas cooling period lasting 1200 years.

Natural events are much more likely and much more powerful.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 17 2021 13:53 utc | 127

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 17 2021 5:15 utc | 102

ok Psychohistorian, I'll look into it, I also have a big stash of ivermectin for horses sitting on my shelf but don't know if or how I would use it. I got the J&J shot in March, am uncertain but hopeful about its effectivenes and continue to eat mostly vegetarian while I kill and butcher a deer a year for my wife and I so I attribute life style to my health at 70.
I'm mostly impressed with Mexico and AMLO and his people lately. He seems similar to Brazil's Lula and Uruguay's Mujica: he danced with Trump like Lula danced (and got burned) with Obama in a way that appeared to me like they sort of knew those devils and were able to keep their soul. The key test in Mexico is how a political power interacts with the Zapatistas in Chiapas and the Purépecha in Cherán, Michoacán.
so I'll dig into the ivermectin issue and let you know.
Also, appreciate your presence here and good insights. I read all your comments.

Posted by: migueljose | May 17 2021 14:00 utc | 128

@ Norwegian

Yes, not now, but in the future, who can say?

This is why the space race is interesting. Mankind has always wanted to reach higher places, and throw things further.

Posted by: Smith | May 17 2021 14:23 utc | 129

Airshow in honor of the 30th anniversary of the groups "Russian Knights" and "Strizhi"

Posted by: Mao | May 17 2021 14:37 utc | 130

Spanish judiciary confirms end of probe into rumored Russian role in Catalan crisis

This tactic of trying to maintain national cohesion through projection of a foreign enemy secretly intervening is so pathetic that it makes me think if it's not just a natural impulse.

Alternatively, it also reveals the true nature of the Western Democracies: they know they do that to other countries, so it naturally incurs to them they're also a target of the same tactics.


Why would the West look down upon China's Mars landing?

The most negative comment about China's successful landing on Mars came from a U.S. politician. Maine senator Angus King bemoaned that Zhurong's "landing reinforces the point that we don't own space any more."


Western media and multiple non-journalism organizations appear quite content to parrot this unfounded narrative.


The American Chemical Society announced that the U.S. mission "aims to, for the first time, collect martian samples that will one day be returned to Earth." In addition, "The NASA spacecraft will use new technology to pick a safe landing site." And China's mission? If the capsule made it, then the mission would represent "China's first successful Mars landing."

That was it; nothing about the experiments during, or purpose of, the mission was discussed. Later, readers were reminded that Perseverance would remain active for 669 Mars days, while Zhurong would function for only 90 Mars days.

A couple of days ago, the Associated Press offered a positive account of Zhurong's arrival on Mars, but it, too, could not resist adding this reminder: "The U.S. has had nine successful landings on Mars since 1976."

Before the Chang'e, China's space program seemed to be tied to normal technological advancement of the overall economy, necessary for the foundation of a normal sovereign nation. It's like a thermometer: it measures the degree of your expertise, applied to the rest of the economy.

Nowadays, the Chinese Government has clearly stated (I don't have the article from The Global Times, it's been a while) that it is exploring space not only for national prestige, but because it is a viable economic sector just like any other: China is not throwing money away for propaganda purposes.

If the USA thinks the Second Space Race is just like the First, it is due to a rude awakening.

The USA better pray Elon Musk's genius is real and that SpaceX works its alleged magic; otherwise, they may well find itself suddenly completely lost on this new Race.

As for NASA, well, it's really sad to see. This once exemplary public institution has now degenerated to a mere marketing department of SpaceX.


Coronavirus: Taiwan’s outbreak surges with 333 new infections

Even if those numbers are true (I don't think they are, as I discussed here sometime in the past), they're too high, because Taiwan's population is very small. If my hypothesis is correct, those 333 new cases are more likely to be somewhere between 1,000-3,000.

Also, notes that the Taiwan outbreak happened practically at the same time of the Mainland port cities outbreak. This means, at the least, that Taiwan's capacity of containing the virus is closely tied to the Mainland's, which means Taiwan is probably riding the wave of the Mainland's success (if it really is that successful). The Mainland has publicly stated, since the beginning of the pandemic (when it was still an epidemic), that it is warning and advising Taiwan, that the island is receiving first hand and almost instantaneous information. However, since Taiwan is a rebel province that claims to be its own country, it is likely to not be following those instructions anymore.


American ‘regime change’ specialists NED claim credit for Belarus protests & boast of funding Russian opposition during prank call


China administers 400mn Covid-19 jabs in new milestone, vaccine chief confident shots can be repurposed for new variants

Still a long way to go. China has 1.4 billion inhabitants.


Nice jab:

Who is responsible for American democracy disorder?

American democracy is dominated by money

They're one above the other in the People Daily's home page.


Looks like the Western MSM turned on the "fuck it" button and resumed their bogus propaganda warfare against China on the imaginary "Uighur genocide". The WaPo editorial board has come out with a fresh op-ed, and ESPN, out of the blue, published a pro-boycott (of the 2022 Winter Olympics) news piece based on some random NGOs claims.

They're just going to try to sell the massacre of the Palestinians as a "conflict" (i.e. a war between equals) while going neck-deep on this Xinjiang rabbit hole.


@ all

Ivermectin doesn't work. It may kill the SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, at inhumane concentrations, but it is not a viable cure.

Brazil is the country that has a pro-Silver Bullet president. He's been using the Brazilian Armed Forces to fabricate and forcefully distribute HCQ and now Ivermectin to the Brazilian people for one year now.

The only thing HCQ and Ivermectin will give you is a liver transplant (or, if you're in Brazil, death, since you won't be able to get a liver transplant). They don't work, I'm sorry.

Notice there's a pattern here: the most avid enthusiasts of these kind of miraculous treatments are people from First World countries (Norway, France) who somewhat managed to enforce some kind of lockdown and are, therefore, protected from their own stupidity by their State. You're propping up those drugs because the protection given by your powerful governments allowed you the privilege to do so, not because those drugs work.

If HCQ and Ivermectin really worked, we would be witnessing a mass piracy by the USA towards every shipment of those drugs to other countries. The USA is the single most interested country in ending the pandemic restrictions, as it has a world war to wage against China.

Posted by: vk | May 17 2021 14:46 utc | 131

@134 vk

Ivermectin does work. Your claim is stupid. I don't if I've actually actually ever called someone stupid before in this esteemed discussion group - but you are worse than stupid with this claim, you are dangerous.

Enough with your stupidity! Has all the other discussion here and presentation of overwhelming, sheer fact been lost on you? Are you that blind?


Posted by: Grieved | May 17 2021 14:55 utc | 132

@vk | May 17 2021 14:46 utc | 134

Notice there's a pattern here: the most avid enthusiasts of these kind of miraculous treatments are people from First World countries (Norway, France)

The only pattern is that you are making things up again.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 17 2021 14:57 utc | 133

Posted by: vk | May 17 2021 14:46 utc | 134

Concerning Vovan&Leksus the Russian pranksters, those guys deserve a medal, they got the previous Spanish defense “ministress” to contact her president and call back the pranksters!!!, after these guys kept on feeding her outrageous and outlandish stuff, like half the Russian tourists that visited Catalonia to be KGB agents. Any rational person would have noticed that the pranksters at the end of the conversation were trying really hard to be found out, but no way, the Spanish right is so obsessed with Russia that they'll believe anything and everything that paints Russia as the evil empire, the enemy of civilization. I've listened to a few of V&L pranks but the one they did on Dolores de Cospedal that was truly special, any idiot can be a minister if party member and well connected.

Posted by: Paco | May 17 2021 16:04 utc | 134

@ 128 paco... listening now... the first link is quite beautiful - thanks! yes talking music is a departure from all the craziness, but a welcome one too.. thanks for these!

Posted by: james | May 17 2021 16:08 utc | 135

@ 128 paco... i think that is paquito d'rivera on alto in the 2nd video, but his name is not given in the credits... looks like him!

Posted by: james | May 17 2021 16:18 utc | 136

Is there a reason why we would want to divert colossal resources into going to Mars at all? There appear to be more pressing needs right here.
Posted by: Patroklos | May 17 2021 8:49 utc | 114

Good question. Childish Romanticism? Escapism?
I got hooked on Science Fiction in the '50s when I was a kid but rarely lost sight of the fact that it's merely entertaining fiction. My comic-book heroes were Brick Bradford, Rocky Starr, Buck Rogers etc.
However, back then, the Universe was imagined by Scientists and SF writers to be teeming with Intelligent Life - possibly even smarter than we Earthlings. A good example was a novel by CS Lewis about the steamy jungles of what the native Venusians called Perelandra.
And BBC had a radio serial about Earthlings searching for evidence of the apparently extinct civilisation on Mars.

By the '60s it was clear that Earth was the only planet in the Solar System capable of supporting Life As We Know It. By the '70s it was obvious that, if there are planets in the Universe capable of supporting LAWKI, they're a VERY SAFE distance from Earth.

Turcopolier's May 14 post has an overly-romanticised picture of the Chinese Mars lander sitting on a Mars-scape with little Earth and a hugely exaggerated Mars Moon dominating the sky. It was so impressively unrealistic that I went to NASA's website for a reality check, prompted by an SF novel based on the presumption that one of Mars' moons is in Geostationary Orbit and the colonists connected it to Mars with a cable-car cable...
It turns out that Mars' Moons are 14 miles and 8 miles in 'diameter'. One moon has a 30-hour orbit and the other orbits 3x per day. Myth busted. An average human would weigh 2 ounces on Phobos so if you sneezed you could find yourself in orbit or plunging toward Mars.

There are plenty of inhospitable places right here on Earth, and none are as inhospitable as Mars. And you don't need a space-ship to visit them.
Mars is the New Mt Everest. It is considerably more perilous than Earth and far less interesting. Even if you get there your space suit will prevent you from actually touching anything Martian. In 10 years or less it'll be possible to clamp on a Virtual Reality gizmo and sight-see, in 3D, at your chosen altitude, from your favorite couch-potato couch.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 17 2021 17:44 utc | 137

Recently, I drove @8,000 miles from Oregon to the Southern Mid-Atlantic region and back over the period of a month to visit family, recreate and observe. Currently, I'm back on the Georgia/Alabama border to attend to a death in the family that required flying, which has allowed me to look at a fragment of that portion of the USA's infrastructure. A few weeks ago, I posted an Infographics report about the state of the USA's schools based on the American Society of Civil Engineers most recent Infrastructure Report Card. This Infographic details the condition of the national transit system, and grades it as being D-, clearly almost as woeful a grade as possible without complete failure. My personal testimony relates to the massive, sprawling Atlanta airport which had all its transit trams shutdown when we arrived which passengers absolutely must rely upon to make flight connections on time, while Seattle was somewhat better. The very small airport at Eugene was in the best condition. I hadn't flown anywhere in 13 years and reminisced about the "old days" of the 1960s and 70s before the age of massive airports, jetways, and of course the imposition of TSA. My drive also revealed the roadways are in need of repairs. The ASCE Report shows the correctness of Trump's MAGA Mantra. But then that's actually been known for well over a decade as Neoliberalism deprives the nation of the monies it needs just to maintain itself, let alone improve.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 17 2021 18:06 utc | 138

james @ 39, thanks for the chuckle. Also, psychohistorian, have you seen the 'Bill Black is Back' episode 1 at nakedcapitalism? Very interesting recap of the beginning of the Savings&Loan debacle in which everyone who worked on that did so at the cost of their careers.

I'm about halfway through the reread of "The Idiot" and what is interesting so far is similar character situations to the TBK ones, but the interesting part is that this is occurring 'at random' - that is, a character turns out to have a similar experience with another while being him or herself very different from the one having that experience in the later novel. To me, this is a very holistic attitude on the part of the novelist; he's giving pro's and contras to everyone.

Also, psychohistorian, have you seen the 'Bill Black is Back' episode 1 at nakedcapitalism? Very interesting recap of the beginning of the Savings&Loan debacle in which everyone who worked on that did so at the cost of their careers. The episode aired I think on the Friday NC list of subjects. Episode 1 of 9, I think.

Posted by: juliania | May 17 2021 18:41 utc | 139

@vk | #53, #133 re-post - in case you missed it or are ignoring it:

Ivermectin is not "the silver bullet the petty bourgeoisie is lobbying for in order to send the workers to death so they can break even with their failed businesses"

Ivermectin is an adjunct to a fully functioning immune system (not one deficient in vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, etc), a fully functioning worldwide socialised healthcare system (not a financialised, pharma-dominated drug regime), and a healthy planetary eco-system (not one almost completely destroyed by over-industrialisation, whether of a capitalist or any other economic political system)

Unfortunately, Marxism, despite its 'scientific nature', unlike Ivermectin, has not been found so far to contain any anti-viral properties ... although it is an extremely valuable antidote to the Parasite of financialisation ... if not industrialisation

The Virus and the Parasite

Posted by: Hemiola | May 17 2021 18:50 utc | 140

More on the state-of-the-art of the EU:

EU is tired of expansion, the Balkans tired of EU integration rhetoric — Vucic

"I do not believe that the European Union is seriously thinking about this [the admission of Balkan countries]. Even if we did everything and achieved a compromise between Belgrade and Pristina, which is obviously unrealistic, even if we did all that, we would not become EU members anyway. This is one of the key questions nobody mentions. The real situation in Europe looks like this: there is tiredness of the expansion … and there is great fatigue due to the very speculations about all this. But, of course, we should keep working to stay on the European track, because this is the best for all of us in the Western Balkans,' Vucic said, adding that he felt very strong doubts any of the region's countries would be admitted to the European Union in the next five years.

Earlier, Slovenia's President Borut Pahor, whose country is hosting the Western Balkans summit this year, said in Belgrade that the European Union's expansion by means of adopting the region's countries was a geopolitical need and must proceed faster.

The Brdo-Brioni process - an initiative of the Slovenian and Croat presidents - was launched in 2013. Its main task is to furnish assistance from Ljubljana and Zagreb to the European integration of Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, North Macedonia and unrecognized Kosovo.

Albania, North Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro and Turkey are the official candidates for EU membership. No likely dates for the admission of any of these countries have been set even in theory, though. In the autumn of 2018, the then European Commission President Jean-Claude Junker said that Serbia and Montenegro might join the European Union by the end of 2025.

It's always good to hear from those secondary geopolitical characters (Slovenia's president) - they always speak the real deal, without filters. You will never hear that from Merkel or Macron (although Macron, a convinced European unionist, has been itching himself).

Either way, there's a problem with Borut Pahor's statement: although it is true the EU has a geopolitical necessity of expanding to the East the faster possible, it has become much more difficult since the consolidation of the Euro Zone. The problem here lies in the fact that the Euro strength must be conserved at an acceptable band of oscillation so the already astronomic debt of the EU doesn't collapse the whole building. That means the geopolitical and economic needs of the EU can only be satisfied if it expands to countries as rich or richer than Germany - its central pillar. But all the Eastern European countries are poorer than Germany; not only that, but they're also much smaller (i.e. they don't have even the potential to be richer). For extremely small countries (e.g. a hypothetical sovereign Kosovo), it may still be possible, but it would still be at a loss - but not for the whole remnant Eastern Europe. Turkey would be a more appetizing target, but it already has grave debt problems.

Besides, even if such expansion happened (i.e. even if the German people was able to pay the price for decades to come), the EU would still have the problem of governance: those newly absorbed countries would have to make unpopular, undemocratic and brutal neoliberal reforms - not only economic, but also administrative and legislative - that would cause a lot of unrest and, most importantly, another immigrant wave to Central and Northern Europe. This would be an additional pressure on the already undesirable situation where Germany and France would already be paying for the weakened Euro; that would certainly be the end of whatever remained of those countries' welfare states. European prestige would fall even faster.

Vucic is right. There is a visible exhaustion of the EU in terms of expansion; the project of nation-building of Eastern Europe failed spectacularly, and the solution, ironically, was mass immigration to the richer members - the same solution that saved the German reunification.

Posted by: vk | May 17 2021 19:20 utc | 141

A friend of mine once interviewed Lord Mountbatten during one of Mountbatten's trips to the States. My friend asked Mountbatten why the British had quit India. Mountbatten answered that it was because staying in India no longer paid.

The same may motivate the U.S. and the rest of the West to stop supporting Israel.

Posted by: lysias | May 17 2021 19:27 utc | 142

Latin American/Mexican Ivermectin links:
I read a few articles about use of ivermectin in Mexico, also Peru,Bolivia, Brazil and Argentina and want to share some links-- the articles themselves have more links if you want to dig into it.

Basically, Ivermectin has been used in tropical countries for a long time to treat parasites so the dosage for covid is based on parasite dosage, apparently they are doubling, tripling the normal amount taken for parasites when using it for covid but i'm not sure so if anyone has more info on dosage I'd appreciate getting your input.
The first link is from mexico, pretty conservative, not favorable on ivermectin and from January of this year so... outdated. Basically, the arguement against ivermectin was/is that it has not been proven effective (sound familiar?). At the same time in January Mexico's president Lopez Obrador (nicknamed "AMLO") got covid. He's been pilloried as an anti-vaxer. AMLO has been working with Russia and is getting the Sputnik vaccine from them.
Working backwards (LOL) this link from Nature is about Bolivia, Peru, Brazil mostly and argues that there's not enough scientific data to prove ivermectin but then goes on to talk about how people are using ivermectin throughout Latin America and having some success but they can't get enough people to form a control group. That's what they said.

Finally, this link is a few days old so very recent-- and significant-- from Mexico but it's in Spanish.

The article includes a video of a daily press conference of the heads of the Mexico City health department which I think is connected to the federal power structure unlike our municipalities in the U.S. so these people are more like the CDC people in the U.S. which means that they would be speaking for the Mexican government.
The video contains a 10 minute segment where a presenter described the kind of control group ivermectin experiment needed to prove its effectiveness. impressive. bottom line, ivermectin is working to decrease covid and the Mexico City government continues to offer it to citizens daily.
Health officials described the setup: health testing stations (kiosks) are positioned on the streets of Mexico City open to anyone who wants to be rapid tested. If results are positive the person is offered "the kit" which contains ivermectin pills along with aspirin. Dosage is detailed.

The guy who detailed the research said people who participated in the control groups and the ivermectin groups were matched according to age, comorbidities, sex and stage of infection which limited variables.

bottom line, Mexico is using ivermectin to treat covid. They also appear to be keeping detailed records. Anyone who is fluent in Spanish and interested would probably help us all if you spent some time on this. Check out the video embedded in the excelsior link above as a starting point. I will but I'll be away off line for a few days toward the end of the week.

Posted by: migueljose | May 17 2021 19:40 utc | 143

Breaking news, on RT TV English [over 10 Billion viewers on youtube] :

"Israeli airstrike destroys Qatar Red Crescent headquarters in Gaza"

This is a textbook example of a war crime.

The Zionists revel in and encourage hostility to themselves as a mechanism to maintain group cohesion. This siege mentality makes Zionists easy for their leaders to manipulate and control. It brings in the donations too.

The following link may help explain the great Palestine land theft and ongoing dispossession in logical sequence.

Posted by: Paul | May 17 2021 20:26 utc | 144

@ migueljose | May 17 2021 19:40 utc | 144 with the Ivermectin follow up I requested about Mexico City and its use


I trust Grieved will see your links and write up as well. Glad to read that Mexico is becoming more of a sovereign country again.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 17 2021 21:14 utc | 145

@Norwegian #23:

The first rover to land on Mars was Mars Pathfinder, landing July 4 1997. Yes it was solar powered

The second and third solar powered rovers landing on Mars was Spirit and Opportunity, both landing in 2003 and operating for several years.

Here’s a great one-hour documentary by British YouTuber Alex McColgan detailing Opportunity’s 15-year journey through Martian dunes, rocky plains and craters: How Opportunity Shocked NASA Scientists (ignore the clickbaity title, the documentary is solid).

Posted by: S | May 17 2021 21:56 utc | 146

Fantastic graph (the first one). Illustrates very well why 2020 is completely different from 2008:

Foreigners (lhs, pink) stopped buying US government debt years ago and the Fed (lhs, blue) has funded much of our budget deficit (lhs, black).

From the first graph, you can see the rest of the world (read: China and, to a much lesser extent, Japan) essentially bailed the USA out. That foreign bail out lasted, with its ups and downs, until circa 2015, when it suddenly stopped. Desperation set in, with households trying to keep the dream alive from 2018-2019, but, as the graph shows, it wasn't nearly enough to compensate for the loss of Chinese financing. Either way, household purchases must operate in waves, because they use them as a complement of income (so they have to eventually cash in in order to pay for their periodical needs).

Realizing the whole thing would not sustain itself, the Fed went YOLO mode and decided it was the system in 2020, propping up the whole thing to historical levels. Interesting thing here is how its only partner in crime are the pension funds; if another 2008-like crisis happens, the damage to the American working class will be at least as huge as the original.

Posted by: vk | May 17 2021 22:22 utc | 147

@146 psychohistorian and #144 migueljose

Thanks for asking and answering. I wondered, because I have friends going down to Mexico and I thought they might care to know the situation down there.

Funny thing - as I scanned my ivermectin bookmarks to enlarge on this comment, I found a story from Trial Site News on Mexico City and its use of the home-based ivermectin kit:

Mexico City Wide Innovative Population-Level Study Administers Ivermectin-based Home Kits with Drastic Reduction in Hospitalizations [Dated May 8, 2021]

So maybe I had the answer all along - now to read it again, but the headline says a lot.

Posted by: Grieved | May 17 2021 23:55 utc | 148

to Hemiola, Grieved and a few others on a like path: I've been posting about ivermectin and HQC for quite some time now - months and months. I'm saying this not in a braggy kind of way, but with happiness that the word is circulating and therefore that the incredibly brave doctors world wide who have risked their practices - and in some cases have lost their jobs and reputations - have not made their sacrifice in vain.
Still we have a long way to go and still the question is why??? Simply money and power? Some doctors think that literally 100s of thousands have died needlessly.
Think Neuremberg Code. It is mind boggling. The destruction of lives - of simple friendships not to mention small businesses is incalculable.

Yes, I did see that William Engdahl piece on the GMO mosquito release - aginst the wishes of residents of Florida. Some one put up a link to it. So what the hell is Gates up to? Who made him god in other words. How does he have the right to tell the world what to do? He's not a doctor or a scientist. JUst a rich egotist with apparently an itchy crotch.

A similar experiment was tried in Brazil a few years back with disasterous results. The mosquitos bred with the locals which wasn't supposed to happen. As I recall, insecticide was then used without the nicety of warning farm workers - there were some miscarriages. Not pretty.

Back to the covidcoup. Stand fast. For a long time it was a lonely world wherein my posts were taken down and my conformist, cowardly family shunned me - a small price compared to that paid by the medicos who keep on standing up for truth. So, I'm really glad to read your posts.

New subject... I do have some django reinhard CDS (although I lean more to Elmore James)...and I think some romanean gypsy music... with curious time signatures...going to take a look/listen...let music soothe the savage beast, etc. etc. cheers

Posted by: Miss Lacy | May 18 2021 0:05 utc | 149

Here is a link to a list of studies of ivermectin. You will see that there are quite a few.
Anecdotally, I heard that ivermectin was used successfully in some parts of peru, but was stopped when the country/.gov bought into the "vaccine" thingee. It will be interesting to see what changes may occur follwoing the upcoming election.
As for mexico, Sr. Obrador does seem to be doing some very good things for mexico. I will check out the invermectin use links - thanks. VK. I'm surprised and disappointed. I always thought you were a rational person.
Addenda: chile bought into the "vaccine" thingee big time. Perhaps preznit. Pinera (a multibillionaire w/ eeuu ties) got a pipeline to pfitzer. I don't know, but I do know that the number of "cases" and deaths has sky rocketted since the injections began. Puzzling.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | May 18 2021 0:23 utc | 150

@tommy the cat #90:

…could someone link me to a good in depth resource on Ukraine?

In my opinion, there are no good English-language resources on the Ukraine. I recommend (translated by Google Translate). Since you’re looking for in-depth information, you may be particularly interested in its History section at (translated by Google Translate). Unfortunately, the user interface of the History section is far from optimal; you will have to repeatedly click on “Load more” to find articles that interest you. Furthermore, you will then have to right-click on the link to the article you’re interested in, copy the link and paste it into Google Translate; if you simply click on a link in the History section, Google Translate will not translate it. The rest of the site doesn’t have this bug, so you can simply click on links.

Posted by: S | May 18 2021 0:25 utc | 151

Here's a link to a list of ivermectin studies. there have been many.

Grieved, thanks for the mexico city link. Obrador has been great for mexico. I heard that invermectin was used successfully in part of peru, but stopped by the .gov - why? yankee politics perhaps. The upcoming election will be interesting.

vk, I'm surprised and disappointed... I thought you were smarter..

Posted by: Miss Lacy | May 18 2021 0:30 utc | 152

As I reflect I begin to see the sea change afforded by Hemiola's links of yesterday, back up in this thread. I had been watching ivermectin as a curative, a treatment, but I hadn't quite seen any data of it as a prophylactic.

But now that the FLCCC press release has compiled the global inputs into some summaries - which the biznews story summarizes even more digestibly - I am left with the clear results from real-world situations all over the world, that Ivermectin is reliably 85% effective as a prophylactic.

Ivermectin is now demonstrated to be 85% effective as a preventive of COVID-19. And it's dirt cheap and massively available.

Even if we trust the claimed (and dubious) 95% effective rate of the Pfizer "vaccine", to me the proven number of 85% says that ivermextin is as good in practical terms as a vaccine at preventing COVID-19 - with the added bonus that if you do get it, you still have the medicine at home to treat it with.

But I am also seeing in these reports that the residue of ivermectin in the body from prophylactic use lasts for quite some time, so as harmless as it is, it makes sense to ingest it and feel as free as the inoculated seem to be feeling - but with much greater safety.

I suppose in a way we are like the "natural food" kind of people who care about sourcing and wholeness, versus the majority of the population that eats modified food and the cheap poisons that saturate the USA, disguised as food and comfort.


This leads to a larger thing that I have wanted to put into words.

In school in my economics classes we always talked about the huge domestic market that the US enjoyed, and the economies of scale it gave to companies, which contrived to make them more competitive and larger than other such companies in the world. The EU was designed in concept to brings this kind of huge market to European firms.

But along with this concept, it seems that, largely from fiction, I also got the clear impression that US enterprise has always considered the "great American public" as a consumer base so large as to be distanced from accounting - so that one could dump shoddy goods and outright poisons into this vast mass of consumers, without any push-back, rather like dumping toxins into a large ocean.

We know now of course that even the ocean is finite, and suffers from toxic distress.

Not to get too left-field, but I have seen people claim that the introduction of Fluoride into the water is part of a scheme to make a profit from what would otherwise be an industrial waste with a cost to dispose of it.

That, I don't know about, but when I look at tobacco, and Monsanto's Roundup, and many other things in the US, I see the corporate belief that one can poison such an amorphous mass of people and never be called to account, either by law or by traceable attribution.

I have a feeling that if the Japanese capitalists could repackage the poisoned waters of Fukushima and pass them off to the broad population for the mass of people to consume, all as a way to continue making profits and not be discovered at blame, they would.

We see exactly the same syndrome at work with Big Pharma, and all its compromised allies. Aspects of public health or community welfare mean nothing. This vaccine scam can be passed through the great American public and they will absorb the collateral damage, while the captains of this industry will absorb the fortunes to be made.


This, then, is the long standing syndrome. FLCCC performs an excellent service to illustrate this, with tobacco and all the other great scams. But while tobacco was a thing that many of us put together somewhat after the fact, and which we saw repeated in the earlier days of climate change warnings and the systematic trashing of honest science - this new scam we all see happening right now before our eyes. And the attitude of Big Collusion is precisely the same as we have always seen it: advertise for the sell, and walk away from the blame. And don't even think about the damage.

Here, then, we have our context for understanding what we see.

Personally, I will be a "health-food nut" and ingest ivermectin. I will tell those I can and who will listen. As for the great mass, I suppose (and despair) that they must live with their poisons of choice.

Posted by: Grieved | May 18 2021 0:39 utc | 153

Israel shells Lebanon.

They are basically asking for Hezbollah intervention. Could be a trick.

Posted by: Smith | May 18 2021 0:40 utc | 154

@ Posted by: Grieved | May 18 2021 0:39 utc | 155; Posted by: Miss Lacy | May 18 2021 0:30 utc | 154; Posted by: Hemiola | May 17 2021 18:50 utc | 141 and the whole legion;

I don't doubt that, if I put on my search engine, pro-ivermectin and pro-HCQ articles will abound. Doesn't change the fact that none of the sources you have linked here so far are reliable.

Don't trust doctors you find selling themselves on the streets.

Posted by: vk | May 18 2021 0:51 utc | 155

Taiwan DPP authorities ‘use epidemic to serve political goal,’ cause vaccine predicament

Looks like my suspicions over Taiwan's dealing with the pandemic are true. The situation there is very dire and highly politicized:

The newly increased cases in Taiwan on Sunday and Monday are 207 and 335, according to Taiwan public health authority, and some pro-reunification political parties and organizations in the island urged the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) authorities, with anti-mainland, anti-China and secessionist ideology, to import vaccines made by the mainland, according to the media in the island.


Taiwan's vaccination rate was lower than 1 percent as of May 12. The only vaccines available on the island are from AstraZeneca numbering 300,000 doses, media reported. On Saturday, Taiwan suspended individual vaccination appointments amid surging cases.


"To be honest, I was laughing when I saw his question. He deeply believed the mainland's vaccines were actually 'normal saline' due to the anti-mainland propaganda in the island. These people have spread hatred against the mainland, and use the lie of 'excellent student in the school' on fighting COVID-19 to please themselves, and now they are expecting the mainland to save them with kindness. So ridiculous and pathetic," he said.

Posted by: vk | May 18 2021 0:57 utc | 156

Mr. lysias | May 17 2021 19:27 utc | 143

Not monetary gain but religious sentiment and concern for afterife informs US commitment to Israel.

Posted by: Fyi | May 18 2021 1:39 utc | 157

Ms. Miss Lacy | May 18 2021 0:23 utc | 152

You are a woman and therefore you do not have the experience of lust burning through you. And you make fun of men's sexual desire, which you call "Itchy crotch". You may yet bear male children and you too will be forced to have sympathy for the Male Predicament.

Mr. Gates, almost certainly, was a frequent flier on the so-called "Lolita Express". Yet, the singularly positive achievement of Microsoft-Intel Duopoly must be kept in mind: the empowerment, through a common PC hardware platform and the language packs of Windows operating system, a cessible computing in all scripted languages on Earth.

So,he has not been a paragon of virtue as Christians define it; had he been a Muslim, he could have married younger wives while keeping the first wife.

But that type of arrangement is just too indigestible for sanctinimous Westerners, who, at the same time, are trying to shove their sexual perversions down the throats of the rest of mankind.

Posted by: Fyi | May 18 2021 1:54 utc | 158

Who needs 'evidence' when assertions are usually sufficient?

Posted by: Paul | May 18 2021 2:06 utc | 159

vk @149

Oh my goodness, that graph...those pension funds...

We all know right now when reality breaks through the MMT buzz and the "correction" occurs who is going to take it in the neck. Seniors will be eating cat food and sleeping in their cars.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 18 2021 2:29 utc | 160

!! Looks like after a few drinks, even the ayatollahs can start salivating from the vision of just two words such as Miss and Laces. The power of calligraphy!

Posted by: Mina | May 18 2021 3:33 utc | 161

@ Posted by: vk | May 18 2021 0:51 utc | 157

Why do you repeatedly conflate so-called studies on HCQ with studies on Ivermectin?

There is enough evidence now to demonstrate without hesitation that the the anti-viral and anti-inflamation properties of the hum-drum, proven safe over decades of use by billions of people, pharmaceutical Ivermectin, is safely preventive and protective against severe covid-2 illness. (search Dr J Campbell's UK website for numerous references -- a medical educational utube website)

Use of cheap over-the-counter ivermectin has been approved by Goa, an Indian state plagued by the B.167.2 covid 2 variant of concern which has 50% more transmissibility than the the UK Kent variant which was deemed 50% more transmissible than the so-called wild type covid 2. The Indian VOC is now proliferating in rural flyover usakistan where there is now genomic data of this latest Indian VOC here. We also have local bloviating politicians which have proclaimed, hubristically, and backed by legislative power of the libertarian Koch Bros who have purchased the state, that they have triumphed over the the virus, meaning they believe there is no more need for precautionary measures to be taken to prevent transmission of the disease. Kids back to school without masks and their parents back to work without PPE. People back to pubs, diners, ball games etc.

Since it has been a cold spring, with a reluctant blossoming of fruit trees, we shall see what unfolds. Time will reveal the truth. Blocking access to a cheap, effective and safe anti-viral and anti-inflammatory pharma drug through mis and dis information is criminal behavior which only a certain class of people conducts.

Why not follow the lead of the Indian Goa state that all should receive prophylactic Ivermectin treatment free of of cost? This is surely less expensive and more humane than continuing on with what's going on regardless of location.

Posted by: suzan | May 18 2021 4:11 utc | 162

One of the crazy things in the US I have been following is the supposed release of major UFO information from the government coming in June. Anyway, evidently there was a recent 60 Minutes feature which I saw a link to and watched.

What they reported was seeing a UFO that according to the best military equipment we have was in one place one second and 60 miles away the next second....I just did the math and that is 216,000 miles per hour and the best we can to is maybe 2K.

During the 60 minutes session there was thought expressed that China/Russia could have this technology and the US may need to defend itself.....grin....i just rolled my eyes.

Anyway, it looks like we just might have some real aliens visiting us and who knows if there has been contact made....maybe they came and talked to the Pope....grin

The shit show continues until it doesn't and maybe someday we will approach being civilized enough for aliens to make contact and offer support for our evolution beyond barbarism.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 18 2021 5:12 utc | 163

@157 vk - "none of the sources you have linked here so far are reliable"

This claim is not the truth, and if you had studied any of these sources you would be impressed with how reliable they are, how they cite numerous other sources in turn, how they adhere to scientific method and employ the reasoning of scientific inquiry. When you follow all the links presented in the sources cited purely in this thread, you will have an entire world of evidence, from across the entire planet - and it all agrees that ivermectin is a viable preventive and treatment for COVID-19.

But you haven't studied any of these sources, this much is clear.

And you present no evidence, you don't deal in evidence, you simply fling out insults to defame others. The "legion" of commenters here, as you cite them, are wrong, you say, and you are right. Is it possible that you are the sole individual who is wrong? Again I say, you present zero evidence for your claims. You merely disparage.

Your words on the matter of ivermectin should not be believed by any person reading them. Unless you can back them with evidence, your words should gain no credence.

I simply say all this as a public service for anyone who may read your words and fall for the lies they imply. The evidence is safe to review - your words are not.


vk - I wish you would simply fall silent on this and spare us all the regrettable task of correcting you. I take no pleasure in having to say these things. I know you depend on getting the last word in on any topic - please make it non-committal for this one.

Posted by: Grieved | May 18 2021 5:29 utc | 164

Posted by: Fyi | May 18 2021 1:54 utc | 160

Wet floor Mr. Fyi, what makes you think that lust is the monopoly of males? Poor argument to justify polygamy and a particular religious vision.

Concerning Gates, his big invention was to separate the driving program from the appliance, sell the washing machine and the program apart, and every year renew it, that was it, the underlying technology invented by others and mainly financed by the state through universities. Gates was a big brake for technology development and introduced a badly called "business model" to be applied in health issues with the vaccines. Greed and power control above anything else, a truly sinister character is going down, very well deserved.

Posted by: Paco | May 18 2021 6:01 utc | 165

I read a variety of twitter comments and tweets, and this is one of the saddest
the end of the apartheid state cannot come soon enough

A 14 year-old child in Gaza took his own life last night.

Israeli forces killed:
his younger brother in 2009,
his older brother in 2012,
his father in 2014,
and his mother, the last member of his family, was killed by Israeli bombing this week.

#Gazaunderattack #bds

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 18 2021 6:05 utc | 166

@ Miss Lacy | May 18 2021 0:05 utc | 151

Back to the covidcoup. Stand fast. For a long time it was a lonely world wherein my posts were taken down and my conformist, cowardly family shunned me - a small price compared to that paid by the medicos who keep on standing up for truth. So, I'm really glad to read your posts.

Thank you for your contributions. There are many in a similar situation, my self included. The important fact is that this is a coup.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 18 2021 6:19 utc | 167

Can't stop, won't stop.

UN is toothless, Israel continues the air strikes.

Posted by: Smith | May 18 2021 6:20 utc | 168

I loathe the Guardian with a passion, no halfway decent informed human can feel any other way, given the graun's active, enabling & leadership role in the destruction of Jeremy Corbyn's vision for an englander Labour Party government.

The cruelest of the several methods the graun pioneered then propagated was the lie that Corbyn was a racist anti-semite. That of one of the most humane humans to ever lead a political party anywhere, a man who had devoted a large portion of his life to fighting racism in all its forms should be slandered in this manner is unconscionable.

Still I dunno if this is some weak arsed shot at penance now Mr Corbyn has been expelled from the party he led, but this article 'I live in Sheikh Jarrah. For Palestinians, this is not a ‘real estate dispute’' by Lucy Garbett describes a way of life for a Palestinian resident in Jerusalem, a way of oppression of Palestinians by a system that can only be called apartheid:

"While Sheikh Jarrah makes the headlines, this type of harassment and settler violence is not new. Last September, on the day my grandmother passed away, my car was graffitied with “Arabs are shit”. Just two weeks ago, to celebrate Orthodox Easter, I tried to attend the annual parade held by the Syriac and Armenian communities I am part of. Along with other Palestinians, I was assaulted by police officers and prevented from entering the Old City. A few weeks later, worshippers were brutally assaulted as they prayed in al-Aqsa mosque. As Palestinians, we feel every expression of our identity is being erased and marginalised.

Israel’s discriminatory policies in Jerusalem, including planned displacement, is constant. We are discussed as a “demographic timebomb” by Israeli planners and officials. In this city, the idea of a “demographic balance” between Arabs and Jews underpins municipal planning and state actions. Since the illegal occupation of East Jerusalem in 1967, Israeli policy has focused on keeping a 70:30 ratio of Jews to Arabs in the city – later adjusted to a 60:40 ratio when authorities said this was “not attainable”. This is done in myriad ways, including settlement construction wedging in Palestinian neighbourhoods, home demolitions and revocation of residency rights.

Since 1967, an estimated 14,500 Palestinians have been stripped of their residency status. In order to obtain ID cards, Palestinian Jerusalemites have to constantly prove that Jerusalem continues to be their “centre of life”, through proof of rental agreements and bills in their name. This comes with a surprise home visit, to check you really do live in the house, and has included looking to see if toothbrushes have been used in the bathroom. If Jerusalemites leave the country or reside in the West Bank, their residency status is revoked, leaving them without official documents and unable to return home. Every five years I must present myself at the Israeli Ministry of Interior with proof of my residence in Jerusalem and provide transcripts of any course I have taken during my university studies in the UK. On each visit, we are subjected to humiliating and invasive questioning, and each time we worry they may take away our only way to remain."

Compare that article to this piece of apologist for zionism claptrap courtesy of the NYT. Ocasio-Cortez the wannabe Nancy Pelosi, is called a radical lol, even worse the two times the NYT says apartheid, it fences the word with quotation marks to let readers know it wasn't NYT who said that, no it was some "radical left" dem congress-person (as if such a creature actually exists lol).

I'm certainly not going to trust or support the Graun. Neither would I argue it to be more honest than the NYT. The only 'lesson' if it could be called that, learned is that the graun is kinder to Palestinians than the NYT. Of course there are other issues the graun is much harder on eg the Skirpal & Mr J Assange.

In other words a pair of neolib shitrags, each as bad as the other, despite that though, Lucy Garbett's article is valuable insight and should be spread as wide as possible.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 18 2021 6:24 utc | 169

Utoob censors Richard Medhurst.

I have been trying to view Richard Medhurst and the Palestinian Ambassador at:

And it won't download and play. I can get instant play on plenty of other utoob but not this one.

Utoob sucks

The same video is not yet posted at Rokfin:

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 18 2021 7:08 utc | 170

re uncle tungsten | May 18 2021 7:08 utc | 172

comrade, I dunno if you can get that vid in Oz yet but I just watched it via my euro vpn.
I'm about to do the same on my vanilla Aotearoa access. If I manage that OK & u cannot from Oz, I would say u are experiencing the current Oz guvmint's fascist xtianity.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 18 2021 7:59 utc | 171

re uncle tungsten | May 18 2021 7:08 utc | 172

comrade, I dunno if you can get that vid in Oz yet but I just watched it via my euro vpn.
I'm about to do the same on my vanilla Aotearoa access. If I manage that OK & u cannot from Oz, I would say u are experiencing the current Oz guvmint's fascist xtianity.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 18 2021 7:59 utc | 172

William Gruff | May 18 2021 2:29 utc | 162

"Seniors will be eating cat food and sleeping in their cars."

They could do worse. In Europe there are high standards for animal food, regular human tasters, and many strict laws against animal maltreatment.

Human Baby food, is hardly regulated, if at all.
Old poem CatFud

I can think of nothing odder
when sitting here eating my fodder,
and being watched by large grey cat,
- that it is she, not I, who is fat

This should come as no surprise,
It is she who eats, me who buys.
The lifelong binge of a glutton
of veal and duck and even mutton

Include some trout and salmon for the fish
served twice daily in a clean dish
with added natural oils, or better yet
gourmet meals, formulated by a vet.

Plus scientific biscuits for senior and kitten
of rabbit or turkey, liver and chicken,
lifecare vitamins, complex B, and extra yeast
add natural defenses to the beast

Crunchies, munchies, stewed or paste
absolutely nothing goes to waste.
For show stoppers, or hunters brave,
pity poor owners with no money to save

Game from the forest or from country stall
“Connaisseur“ menus, and bio-products all,
Each tasty morsel is separately put
in individual tins for her jaded gut

And so I’m learning “cat”
I know one word and that,
said urgently, is give me “waw:
I want food, not later, but NOW”
Should I sign “Sheba or sabre-tooth”
or would that be uncouth?
Maybe I’ll simply put my own name
in the great cat hall of fame.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 18 2021 8:02 utc | 173

The level of science understanding is very poor these days and getting worse, it is a direct threat to society.

Since before August 1945 science has been the most direct threat to society. Send some asshole to another planet while incinerating the neighbors, then give your own people a snort Fauci's Feelgood Tonic.

No thanks. The idiots have already contaminated Mars. Scientists are the dumbest shit heels to ever squat in front of the very own caves.

Posted by: Mohand Winterbottom | May 18 2021 8:13 utc | 174

To get back to more serious things, Israeli's are indoctrinated from an early age in ethnic "superiority" and includes cleaning etc.

From the age of about three, Kids are more or less sequestered from their parents (as related to my wife by a Jewish friend, who was rather cut up about it.) with higher qualified instructors even at that age. 50 hr weeks (admitted)
They then go on to this type of indoctrination
That maybe simply a Haredi school, but I have seen photos (some time ago) where 14-15 year old pupils on "School trips" went and were encouraged to destroy Bedouin tents. The photos were of them of them trampling on and destroying the only possesions of some poor people, with evident joy....
After that they go into the Military - more indoctrination."Snipers" are encouraged, but what to think of the murder of a ten year old boy shot in the BACK of the head two days ago?

The problem is that there is no acccountability.

Until some real freedom of speech is restored in the world, and an (hypothetical) unbiaised court established, "common horror" is not going to be enough to correct injustice which is taught.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 18 2021 8:20 utc | 175

re uncle tungsten | May 18 2021 7:08 utc | 172

I gotta say that what I discovered checking out

is so weird one could be forgiven thinking it could be a stupidly complicated technical hitch - or f**kin' odd censorship pretending to be that.

I couldn't access that vid using my yandex browser if I was coming from Oz or Aotearoa but I hopped straight in from europe, england or amerika.
When I swapped browsers I could get in from Aotearoa after a bit of hassle with a firefox set to gobble cookies browser & view the vid straight away from Aotearoa when using default highly traceable Opera (well opera skin but google chrome workings browser). I still couldn't see the vid with any browser when logging in from Oz.

I tried trace route & ping to see if Aotearoa youtube access was being routed thru Oz but got nowhere.

Conspiracy or cock-up? Dunno.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 18 2021 8:23 utc | 176

The UK will soon have to make a decision about using IVM as a prophylaxis or not...

Posted by: Mina | May 18 2021 8:49 utc | 177

Grieved @ 155

As I reflect I begin to see the sea change afforded by Hemiola's links of yesterday, back up in this thread. I had been watching ivermectin as a curative, a treatment, but I hadn't quite seen any data of it as a prophylactic


And time goes by so slowly
And time can do so much


Yeah, folks who were so recently shilling for the great vaccine salvation are already revamping their short-sighted pieties...

...and folks with hair on fire who've been preaching doom in there's no tomorrow.

Posted by: john | May 18 2021 9:09 utc | 178

If the barflies want to see Gaza and its people, their culture and history, this is a great documentary. Not sure if the VOD is available everywhere

Posted by: Mina | May 18 2021 9:42 utc | 179

Miss Lacy @ 151

(although I lean more to Elmore James)

Yes ma'am, and to hear the euphonious lineage in the 21st century fills my heart with joy!

(sorry about the excerpt, but his phrasing here is sooo cool)

Posted by: john | May 18 2021 9:50 utc | 180

@ b

If you intervened on my behalf to fix my linking problem, which seems to be fixed, thank you.

Posted by: john | May 18 2021 10:06 utc | 181

Debsisdead #174

Thank you, I figured I had been scomo'd but such is life. I roast some bunya nuts and try again later.

Mina #163

!! Looks like after a few drinks, even the ayatollahs can start salivating from the vision of just two words such as Miss and Laces. The power of calligraphy!

Good one comrade ~ LMAO :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 18 2021 10:11 utc | 182

Here on MoA, I would have thought by now it is stating the obvious to say that:

When Ideology trumps Evidence, facts become fiction, truth becomes propaganda, scientific research becomes advertising, and thinking becomes cliché, etc.

If this is true, then it is true for all Ideology including Stalinist, Marxist, libertarian, laissez faire, etc.

For whatever ideological reasons (bureaucratic inertia, corporate capture, corruption, etc) the WHO, most of the world's public health agencies, corporate mass media and internet giants, have all announced in concert that there is no prophylaxis nor early treatment for Coronavirus (and that Ivermectin and other repurposed drugs don't work) and are attempting to allow no dissent.

Meanwhile, front line doctors throughout the world are practicing preventive medicine and early treatment with Ivermectin and other medicines (some repurposed drugs, some natural or traditional medicines) with great success and are saving lives and some are reporting this Evidence.

These brave doctors, healthcare workers, some journalists and other individuals are dismissed by some Idealogues (selling themselves on the internet) as "selling themselves on the street"

The untrue announcement at the beginning of this pandemic in the West that there is nothing that an individual can do to protect themselves but isolate at home and wait until it either goes away of its own accord or requires corporate intervention to save your life is the greatest failure of the entire medical establishment in its history and with its subsequent millions of avoidable deaths and Long Covid suffering is a crime against humanity.

The Coronavirus pandemic has OBVIOUSLY been mobilised and weaponised by corporate culture (the pharmaceutical industry with its corrupt bureaucratic lackeys) I believe, in essence, to enforce and enable the complete control over how we protect our health and live any form of life outside of a totally financialised existence.

This directive is an attempt then, by health agencies and regulatory bodies on behalf of for-profit pharma to dispense with the last hurdles to complete control over our bodies; that is the Hippocratic Oath of the doctor to do no harm and to save lives; and also the sovereign individual's ability and responsibility to protect their own health.

It goes without saying that corporate culture is bound by no such ethical, moral or even legal imperatives, as we all know. This is a desperate attempt to consolidate worldwide financialised control over the sovereign individual, the socialsed collective and the environment.

As this edict from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, Canada says:

"Physicians hold a unique position of trust with the public and have a professional responsibility not to communicate anti-vaccine, anti-masking, anti-distancing and anti-lockdown statements and / or promoting unsupported, unproven treatments for Covid-19 ... must not make comments or provide advice that encourages the public to act contrary to public health orders and recommendations."

How many could have been saved?

We Will Never Know. Could Deborah Bucko been Saved? Mary-Beth Pfeiffer on Trial Site News.

The Virus and the Parasite

Posted by: Hemiola | May 18 2021 10:31 utc | 183

On ivermectin in Oz. I tried my local GP who is fairly well informed but ~ sigh ~ had never heard of Professor Borody !! So I gave her the details of the Institute for Digestive Diseases suggesting her patients with stomach issues or crohns might get some relief. On the ivermectin story obstinate is the term I thought. I was absolutely astounded at the refusal to write a simple script for a most innocuous substance. Meanwhile I grow wormwood and papaya for the seeds...

Maybe if I had scabies the script would have been forthcoming. Perhaps the really down and outs with poor living conditions will get ivermectin and survive and the rest of us get covid and kark it. Now that is perverse capitalism.

So it was off to the horse supplies for a prophylactic stash should I ever need it. What a sinister medical fail is this entire covid fiasco. The upside is that if I never need it I can donate it to the family horse breeders.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 18 2021 10:31 utc | 184

psychohistorian #165

Anyway, it looks like we just might have some real aliens visiting us and who knows if there has been contact made....maybe they came and talked to the Pope....grin

If they talked to the pope they were likely demanding the return of their deceased brethren stashed in the vatican vaults.

Please don't tell me they talked to Netanyahoo, that would be the last straw.

It is possible that the survivors of the Betelgeuse supernova could be arriving any time now ;)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 18 2021 10:43 utc | 185


“ Facebook has removed a popular, rapidly growing group where members would post stories about alleged negative COVID-19 vaccine side effects.

The group, “COVID19 VACCINE VICTIMS AND FAMILIES,” had over 120,000 followers when it was shut down and had been gaining more than 10,000 followers per week.

The shutdown of the page follows Facebook introducing a ban on a wide range of claims about the coronavirus vaccine in February.

The list of prohibited claims includes claims that the vaccines cause blood clots and claims that the coronavirus vaccine change people’s DNA (something that even Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg told Facebook staff during a July 2020 internal meeting).

Not only is Facebook restricting a wide range of vaccine-related claims but it’s also adding labels to all posts about coronavirus vaccines. These labels state that vaccines are safe and direct users to sources that Facebook has deemed “authoritative” such as the World Health Organization (WHO).“

Posted by: DG | May 18 2021 11:14 utc | 186

"The construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline can go ahead in Germany’s exclusive economic zone, the country’s Federal Maritime and Hydrographic Agency (BSH) said after considering a lawsuit filed by the Nature and Biodiversity Conservation Union (NABU) environment organization, which claimed that laying the pipes was negatively affecting rare birds during the nesting season, Rossiyskaya Gazeta writes."

Posted by: arby | May 18 2021 14:07 utc | 187

@uncle tungsten | May 18 2021 10:43 utc | 188

It is possible that the survivors of the Betelgeuse supernova could be arriving any time now ;)

Well, as far as I know it hasn't blown yet, so it is a bit premature to expect survivors. There may be 100k years or so left.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 18 2021 14:11 utc | 188

@DG | May 18 2021 11:14 utc | 191

It tells you all you need to know. When "truth" is pushed down your throat 24/7, you know it is a lie.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 18 2021 14:14 utc | 189

@ Posted by: suzan | May 18 2021 4:11 utc | 164

The first thing you all should understand is that modern pharmacology is based mainly on statistics and consensus: most researchers of this area don't know why a given drug works against a given disease. A classic example of this are the anti-allergic drugs, who are mass produced and sold as anti-allergic drugs, but whose mechanism we still don't understand.

Biology and medicine have not yet achieved the status of "hard science"; even stuff we take for granted today (e.g. high cholesterol leads to heart diseases) have a good chunk of researchers and doctors who are against. Like I said: medicine and pharmacology nowadays operate mainly through consensus built over decades and decades of subpar and very partial trials (because you can't breed humans as test subjects, you have to rely on metadata collected by real patients in hospitals and on volunteers). I'm not surprised you found pro-Ivermectin articles: dissent is very common in the area (and there is a good chunk of snake oil sellers, too).

Medicine and pharmacology are not theoretical physics: there are no single, definite articles that prove, in an absolute mathematical and scientific way, that x or y are truths.

In fact, dissent will continue. I bet that, even five decades from now, doctors and researchers will still dissent on even the most basic aspects of this pandemic.

All the articles you quoted here are inconclusive. It would be dishonest to state otherwise. All evidence gathered so far indicates the HCQ and Ivermectin are placebos. A little bit of scientific literacy is enough to understand that.

P.S.: there are more than 20 drugs authorized as treatment for COVID-19 by the WHO alone right now. Why, of all these drugs, you chose what coincidentally is the cheapest and most likely to be a placebo? Why don't you talk about the other drugs, which are as blessed as HCQ and Ivermectin by the institutions to treat the disease? The only conclusion I can come with is you're trying to normalize the carnage in the name of saving small and medium businesses, and the middle class way of life.

Posted by: vk | May 18 2021 14:43 utc | 190

psychohistorian @165

Sorry, but no aliens. This UFO stuff is just more nonsense from the mass media to distract people from a lot of things that the establishment doesn't want people talking or thinking about; things like biowarfare, conspicuously stolen elections in the imperial heartlands, the empire's BFF committing genocide in Palestine, the imperial figurehead being a prosthetic president, things like that. These supposed unidentified flying objects are hoaxes, or are detection equipment malfunctions. Even aliens will have to obey the laws of physics, and they cannot move their spacecraft through the atmosphere at 216,000 miles per hour without reducing it to vaporized unobtanium in a big Tunguska-like fireball. Materials science will not ever be coming up with magical alloys that can handle temperatures and pressures where fusion can begin.

I can understand the mass media buying into this nonsense as they are a bunch of delusional journalism or grievance studies majors (university special ed) whose math skills top out with basic integer arithmetic. It is a little scarier to think that the military doesn't have anyone with the requisite technical working relationship with physical reality to rein in the wild speculation. A little bit of back-of-the-envelope calculating will quickly show that the energies required for these crazy maneuvers that the UFOs are supposed to make are not only far beyond our current technical capabilities, but that those energies are beyond anything we can even conceptualize (matter-antimatter annihilation reactions or gravitational collapse being near the top limit of energetic reactions that are even speculatively possible in our current understanding of physics).

At the very least these unidentified objects, moving as they are reported to, would turn the atmosphere around themselves into plasma. Even if these supposed aliens are using technologies far beyond our comprehension, we still understand plasma and shockwave propagation in the atmosphere and things like that. We know enough to at least get a conceptual handle on these objects and begin speculation on how they work.

When the military detects an object with their radars and lidars and such and that object zooms off at ludicrous speeds through the atmosphere it is much more rational to assume that a) the radar/lidar/whatever malfunctioned or b) the image of the object is being spoofed by someone else.

I am not saying that intelligent extraterrestrial lifeforms do not exist, just that these UFOs are not them.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 18 2021 15:11 utc | 191

@ William Gruff | May 18 2021 15:11 utc | 193 with the response to my UFO comment


I understand how fictional the claims sound but it is personally more informative than discussion about mythical religions. I encourage you to watch some MSM show about the claims, more of which should be coming out in a month or so. I think if you do, your claims of malfunctioning equipment will go away.

I disagree with your claim about how much we really posses in the way of human understanding of the Cosmos we live in. I continue to posit to my science friends that given we only know some things about 5% of the Cosmos, why do we talk about the remaining dark energy and dark matter as being out in space rather than being 95% of who we are?

Have you ever gone to my web site and read the Neuromodulation page summary. You may be interested in what us humans have discovered about out bio-electric beings.....we stand on the shoulders of the giants that come before us and we still don't know squat..........

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 18 2021 15:36 utc | 192

A couple of links on Mexico and their covid response.
The first features president AMLO saying they are winning but have a long way to go. Mexico initially got large amounts of vaccine from Russia which the mainstream U.S. press screamed about, now Mexico is getting big shipments from China. From what I can gather the Mexican government and health professionals (think "CDC") are very much pushing the vaccine (Russian and Chinese), social distancing, use of masks, and ivermectin.
About ivermectin,in the Excelsior (it's a big newspaper) link I put in earlier the physicians talked about the very large study which included a control group. They are not arguing about ivermectin-- the Mexican government and health boards are convinced that ivermectin use after covid infection is very significant and they have a supply chain and are keeping records including personal follow-ups in Mexico City. Remember, Mexico City is bigger than New York, is a financial center with a large, cosmopolitan structure along with the other big cities. In other words, lots of highly educated and skilled people that always make me feel a bit like the hillbilly that I am. They are strengthening ties to Russia and China.

Here is an article from another big paper in Mexico City dated May 10, 2021, giving more support for ivermectin with studies cited and also speculating on its use as a preventative.

Here are a couple of paragraphs from the article which I translated.

Según un análisis de al menos 18 ensayos clínicos sobre el uso de la ivermectina en el tratamiento de la covid-19, un grupo de expertos ha encontrado una importante reducción en la mortalidad, el tiempo de recuperación y en el tiempo que tarde la eliminación viral. Además, el estudio señala que el riesgo de contraer la enfermedad se reduce significativamente a través del uso de la ivermectina de manera regular. Por lo tanto, esta investigación señala que la ivermectina, un fármaco utilizado para en el tratamiento de los parásitos, podría ser un tratamiento eficaz para tratar esta enfermedad.

“According to an analysis of at least 18 clinical trials over the use of ivermectin and the treatment of covid-19, a group of experts has found an important reduction in mortality, time of recuperation and in the length of time it takes to eliminate the virus. Moreover, the study shows that the risk of contracting the disease is significantly reduced with regular use of ivermectin. Therefore, this investigation indicates that ivermectin, an effective medication used in treatment of parasites, could be and effective treatment for this disease (covid-19).”

En México, el IMSS ha descrito a la ivermectina como un medicamento “muy noble, económico, seguro y que se sigue estudiando por sus efectos inhibitorios en proteínas virales, demostrando cada vez mejores resultados en la práctica clínica y en los estudios” y también indica que “existe evidencia que documenta los efectos positivos de la Ivermectina tanto en la profilaxis de la covid-19, como en el tratamiento temprano en la fase ambulatoria de la covid-19”.

“In Mexico, the IMSS* has described ivermectin as a ‘very noble, economic, safe and is being studied for its inhibitory effects on viral proteins, each time demonstrating better results in clinical practice and in studies’ and also indicates that ‘evidence exists that documents the positive effects of ivermectin in preventing covid-19, as an early treatment in the ambulatory (early) phase of covid-19.’”

* IMSS- The Mexican Institute of Social Security is a governmental organization that assists public health, pensions and social security in Mexico operating under the Secretariat of Health. It also forms an integral part of the Mexican healthcare system.Wikipedia

bottom line, Mexico appears to be rising and getting stronger through the pandemic. U.S. mainstream articles were very critical of Mexico's covid- related actions and positions, similar to their criticism of president Lopez Obrador (AMLO)and early articles regarding Mexico and Latin America's use of ivermectin appears to fit the typical "smear" approach. In this case, they whined about not having good studies while Mexicans set up the studies and the infrastructure to attack the problem. More smears followed when AMLO got Russian vaccine shipments, including articles on internal disagreements and grumbling. Mexico appears to be emerging and is also strengthening ties with Russia, China, Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua. I think Biden and Harris will have their hands full trying to handle Mexico. I don't see any puppets among their power structure right now. Just a lot of Mexicans who are skilled, committed to their countrymen, and will not back down from their path.

Posted by: migueljose | May 18 2021 16:07 utc | 193

Gruffy, I agree with you.

When we were like aliens going into the depths of Africa we did not hide from the people we found. When we go to the moon or the planets we do not hide from any inhabitants should they be there. We have monstrous radio telescopes constantly searching the heavens in the hopes of contacting some life anywhere.
It takes curiosity to want to travel the universe. Any alien capable of coming to earth would require that curiosity and not hide from us.
I know the answer that the believers give is that they are too advanced to talk to us savages but that doesn't trump curiosity in my books.

Posted by: arby | May 18 2021 16:14 utc | 194

I wanted to give my special thanks to Miss Lacey for giving us information on ivermectin quite a while ago-- thank you Miss Lacey. Also to psychohistorian, Grieved, Librul and others who are helping us all with insights, good, solid opinions--IMO- and to B for doing lots of work studying and framing and sharing information on this topic.

Also, maracatu, Paco and others who are Spanish fluent, I think there is much more info out there if you have time to dig for us. I did email a good friend, physician, in Peru about ivermectin and their covid work but haven't heard from him. He's pretty good about responding but he's on the front lines in Peru.

Posted by: migueljose | May 18 2021 16:16 utc | 195

What is going on with the U.S? Supposedly, something big is going to drop soon regarding the UFO phenomenon.

- An explosive report featured on CBS News’s “60 Minutes” featured several former U.S. military officials who talked about what the U.S. government knows about unidentified aerial phenomena — UAP —more commonly referred to as UFOs.

The segment comes ahead of a report that the military is supposed to deliver to Congress by next month. Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said in a recent interview that the findings will shock people because “frankly, there are a lot more sightings than have been made public.”

- Lue Elizondo, former U.S. Military official that led the U.S. government’s effort to investigate UAP: “Imagine a technology that can do 600-to-700 g-forces, that can fly at 13,000 miles an hour, that can evade radar and that can fly through air and water and possibly space. And oh, by the way, has no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no control surfaces and yet still can defy the natural effects of Earth’s gravity. That’s precisely what we’re seeing.”

- Elizondo on explanations for what people are witnessing: “In some cases there are simple explanations for what people are witnessing. But there are some that, that are not. We’re not just simply jumping to a conclusion that’s saying, ‘Oh, that’s a UAP out there.’ We’re going through our due diligence. Is it some sort of new type of cruise missile technology that China has developed? Is it some sort of high-altitude balloon that’s conducting reconnaissance? Ultimately when you have exhausted all those what ifs and you’re still left with the fact that this is in our airspace and it’s real, that’s when it becomes compelling, and that’s when it becomes problematic.”

- Ryan Graves, former Navy pilot Lieutenant, on how often the U.S. Military encounters UAPs on the East Coast: “Every day. Every day for at least a couple years.”

- Graves on what he thinks the objects are: “I would say, you know, the highest probability is it’s a threat observation program.”

- Chris Mellon, served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence for Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush, and was on the staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee: “… these vehicles seem to have unlimited loiter time, which we don’t have. We’re limited in terms of altitude, it’s hard to design something that functions well at ground level that can go, 60,000 or 80,000 feet and then drop down to the deck or drop to 20,000 feet. And you know, and it’s like a straight vertical line … in seconds. … Then the acceleration is beyond any, far beyond anything that we, that we’re capable of … There’s nothing we could build that would be strong enough to endure that amount of force and acceleration.”

Retired US Navy chief explains tech witnessed in UFO sightings (CNN)

"the technology displayed far exceeds the best the US has to offer by at about 100-1000 years"

I'm sceptical about anything the Empire funded media spouts out, but I don't really know what to make with this one.

Looks like a new player has joined the game.

Posted by: tommy the cat | May 18 2021 16:31 utc | 196

arby @196

Perhaps the aliens are not curious but want to sneak in under the radar and steal our resources! Did you ever think about that?

Of course you have because that is the story behind so many of the Hollywood alien invasion movies. Sadly, that story line is silly because any alien species that figured out how to do interstellar travel will have also figured out how to mine asteroids and comets and other objects in space and will have no need to go all the way to Earth to find that special something they want.

... unless that special something is jazz. But then that brings us back around to curiosity, I suppose.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 18 2021 16:33 utc | 197

It's beyond risible to think that an alien culture so advanced that it could manage interstellar travel would feel it had to come to Earth, of all places, to, say, mine copper.

Posted by: corvo | May 18 2021 16:44 utc | 198

Why oh why when we have satellites that can pick out a license plate number from space that all of the photos of alien ships are always blurry. Similar to the photos supplied by the military of Iraqui WMD's , etc.?

Posted by: arby | May 18 2021 16:57 utc | 199

@ William Gruff | May 18 2021 16:33 utc | 199 who wrote
... unless that special something is jazz. But then that brings us back around to curiosity, I suppose.

If a species is advanced enough to make it here, they are advanced enough to know more about us than we do about ourselves. Maybe they are the science investigators of their little experiment called earth.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 18 2021 17:08 utc | 200

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