Roman Protasevich - Arrested In Belarus - Is A Western Government Financed Neo-Nazi
There is more to say about the Ryanair incident in Belarus and the arrest of the 'regime change' operative Roman Protasevich.
We will start with the latter.
The sympathetic portraits of Protasevich in the New York Times and in the Guardian are only of interest for what they leave out.
FOIA Research and The Canadafiles have very well sourced and way more complete pieces on him. They link to a mountain of evidence in form of social media postings, photos and videos which support their findings.
From those we learn that Protasevich has long been a member of the fascist "Young Front" militia of Belarus. He has fought alongside the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Ukraine's post-Maidan civil war.
Here is a 2017 picture of Protasevich during a Belorussian court hearing.
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Here is Protasevich in 2015 on the cover of the recruitment magazine "Black Sun" of the Azov Battalion.
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Here is Protasevich during an Azov parade (video from the event).
Protasevich - back row, third from right
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There are more pictures sourced from his friends' social media accounts. They all show him with Azov in full battle dress, with Azov insignia and guns. There have been claims that Protasevich was only working as a journalist for an Azov paper. That seems to be false. His father confirmed that his son 'fought' in Donbass. The Azov leader Andriy Biletsky confirmed that Protasevich fought with them in Donbass and that he was wounded.
Neither the NYT nor the Guardian mention Proasevich's ideological position or his involvement with the neo-nazis of Azov. The London Times had originally reported that Protasevich was involved with Azov but later silently removed that passage from its report.
Another point missing from 'western' media is that Protasevich has long been on the payroll of various 'western' government financed propaganda media:
After being arrested for hooliganism, Protasevich would leave for Prague, Czech Republic in December 2017, and begin formally integrating into the imperialist media sphere.Protasevich was a 2017-18 Vaclav Havel Journalism fellow in Prague, for US funded regime change outlet Radio Free Liberty/Europe.
Four months after a week long tour of the US State Department, in April 2018, Protasevich began working for USAID funded Belarus Euroradio.fm on August 31, 2018.
He left this job in December 2019, and would announce his new job, as Editor-in-Chief of Nexta, a foreign funded Telegram messaging channel covering Belarusian news, located in Poland, beginning in March 2020.
Stepan Putila, Protasevich’s partner at Nexta, worked for years at Belsat, which has been funded by the Polish Foreign Ministry since 2007, before engaging closely with Nexta.
Nexta played a key role in organizing pro-coup demonstrations in Belarus to protest Western supported candidate Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya who only won 11 per cent of the vote, yet falsely claims that the election was rigged in Lukashenko’s favour, along with regime change organization NED’s funded activists in Belarus.
Protasevich's 2018 visit to Washington DC is of special interest:
On April 20, 2018, he flew via Brussels to Washington. On April 23, 2018, he posted a picture with the subtitle "The most important week in my life begins." The same day he posted a picture of himself inside the US State Department, stating "Never had so many important and interesting encounters in my life. Tired but very pleased." In DC he met with fellow regime change swamp creature, the Ukrainian-American Gleb Zhavoronkov.
Someone should ask the State Department what it thinks of Roman Protasevich's fashion habits.
Volodymyr Ishchenko @Volod_Ishchenko - 1:20 PM · May 26, 2021Protasevich's selfie in an explicitly neo-Nazi brand Sva Stone. It's extremely unlikely that one can wear these T-shirts without being "in".
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Neither the NYT nor the Guardian portrait mention Protasevich's employment by western funded regime change media or his State Department visit.
Neither is astonishing. A recent job description by the New York Times for a correspondent position in Moscow demanded extreme anti-Russian bias. The Guardian piece was co-authored by Luke Harding who is well known for his anti-Russian slant, his closeness to MI6 and his fake reporting:
In a recent book, Luke Harding, an investigative reporter at The Guardian, described how Mr. Steele had dispatched his “collector” [Danchenko] to surreptitiously approach a real estate broker, Sergei Millian, who was a peripheral figure in the Trump/Russia saga. “Millian spoke at length and privately to this person, believing him or her to be trustworthy — a kindred soul,” Mr. Harding wrote.But the trouble for Mr. Harding, who is close to both Mr. Steele and Mr. Simpson, was that he wrote those lines before the release of the F.B.I. interview of Mr. Danchenko.
In the interview, the collector said that he and Mr. Millian might have spoken briefly over the phone, but that the two had never met.
Mr. Harding did not respond to requests for comment.
That the London Times silently deleted the well-sourced Protasevich-Azov relationship from its report let's one to assume that the British government has issued a D-notice to hide that fact.
Posted by b on May 26, 2021 at 16:41 UTC | Permalink
excellent coverage b... thank you.. thanks to the posters on the previous threads who are bringing much of this info to light as well...
Posted by: james | May 26 2021 17:17 utc | 2
The Guardian did get one thing right about Protasevich, as the other writer of that piece tweeted today:
“He’s a person who always wants to be on the frontline.” Our profile of Raman Pratasevich with @lukeharding1968 https://t.co/pwsEMqxsej"
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1397270317190483969
but Roth and Harding didn't give any hint of which type of "frontline" Protasevich fought on.
Posted by: Brendan | May 26 2021 17:53 utc | 3
Food for thought (hypothesis for debate):
Since it is clear the American Empire is behind this, it's time for us to start to delineate a general analysis on the metamorphosis of the Empire after decades of Unconventional Warfare (UW). From Latin America to HK, everything must be connected.
The American elections of 2016 and 2020 consolidated a huge tectonic shift in the domestic affairs of the Empire: the State of Florida became a permanent red state, i.e. a GOP stronghold ("safe seat", in British terminology). It was a "purple state" before.
The reason Florida became a red state is clear enough: decades of influx of far-right (anti-communist) Latin American political refugees shifted the Floridan political consensus. They're all compradores, lumpen-mercenaries (banditry, drug traffickers, other illiterate cannon fodder who managed to survive and reach American soil etc.), mercenaries (professional, renegade ex-soldiers or at least CIA-trained), compradores (including here also high-patent generals from failed coups) and ex-planters (e.g. from Fulgencio Batista-era Cuba).
The same thing happens with Germans (nazis), Ukrainians (nazis and neonazis), Russians (Jews, Mensheviks and "whites"), Chinese (Kaishekists and pro-British liberal Hongkongers), Vietnamese ("South Vietnam") etc. etc.
There's one aspect that unite all of these adventures: they all involved anti-communist elements. Whatever the degree of sophistication or regional particularities, anti-communism is the material base, the red line of the American Empire. This is a situation where Gramsci once described as the old dying (capitalism) but the new not being able to be born (socialism). The USA is modern-era Kronos (Κρόνoς), eating His children so he can keep Himself as the king of the gods (titans).
However, there's a "side effect" to this: as the rest of the world started to resist and strike back, the American Empire had to resort more and more to what it calls Unconventional Warfare to keep its influence overseas. This intensified, rather than diminished, the number of political refugees with influence both in the American territory (green card in exchange for their services; mass political immigration to mainland America) and in Washington D.C., the capital of the American Empire, where all the important decisions on foreign policy are made.
As a result of this geopolitical conjecture, the USA has slowly but inexorably metamorphosed into a fascist nation. The American political machine has given form and structure - maybe unconsciously - to what is in fact a Fascist International, the fascist version of the Third International. Of course, what the communist could do openly the fascists can only do undercover, but structurally one is the analogous (in opposite poles) of the other. The USA already was the Capitalist International since the end of WWII, but it now has degenerated into the Fascist International.
This has a lot of complex implications that don't fit here. I'll just throw here this: the long-term cultural and ideological implications for the American empire are immense. The American Empire is mutating - from the land of the liberal-individualist European immigrants searching for work and enterprise of the 1890s-1960s to the land of the swindlers, fascists, rabid ideologues, political opportunists, parasitic, lazy anti-communist Latin American, Chinese & SE Asians and Eastern European political-mercenary immigrants.
Indeed - the only difference between the terrorists supported by the US agencies in the past vs. today is social media.
What is particularly sad is how little the American oligarchy thinks times have changed.
Paul Ryder has it right in his article on Counterpunch: Counterpunch: the Pentagon Papers at 50 - what was left out
The Swamp isn't new - but what's the most damning is that it hasn't changed. It thinks it is still 1914 or 1941 or 1950 or 1967 - that it can manufacture events to its own cause without any ramifications.
Posted by: c1ue | May 26 2021 17:59 utc | 5
WAS THIS A WESTERN FALSE-FLAG OPERATION?
The reporting in Western media is a total fabrication. Even English language Russian media like RT and Sputnik have fallen for the trap. The Ryanair plane was not hijacked or intercepted by a MiG fighter. All that actually happened was that the air traffic control in Minsk received an anonymous email containing a bomb threat. (It is unknown whether the ATCs in Athens or Vilnius had received similar mail from the Protonmail address.)
Content of Ryanair aircraft bomb message revealed - belta.by, May 24, 2021“We, soldiers of Hamas, demand that Israel cease fire in the Gaza Strip. We demand that the European Union stop supporting Israel in this war. We know that participants of the Delfi Economic Forum are returning home aboard flight FR4978. A bomb has been planted on the aircraft. If our demands are not met, the bomb will explode over Vilnius on 23 May.”
Information about the threat was passed on to the Ryanair crew right after the aircraft entered Belarus' airspace and communication was established between a Belarusian air traffic controller and the aircraft. “At that time the crew could use the opportunity and return to Lvov, Kiev, could land in Warsaw, continue the flight to Vilnius and so on. At 12:34 the air traffic controller suggested the Minsk National Airport where all the necessary equipment for landing aircraft in complicated meteorological conditions is available as well as a runway as long as 3,600 meters. The crew asked to clarify sources of the tip about the bomb several times. The crew was told the initial message had been sent to the Minsk National Airport. Prior to that the flight operations director of the Minsk area center had tried to call Ryanair's representative office in Lithuania several times but he failed to reach any representative of the air carrier,” Artyom Sikorsky said.
After the email was received everything happened exactly according to international norms and standards. It was the decision of the Ryanair captain alone to turn back and land in Minsk.
Who sent the email?
As I said in my comment right after my first post, I suspect this was a Western false-flag operation. All I am actually seeing in this is a gigantic narrative management operation by Americans and their proxies. They have dictated the narrative even before Belarus knew what happened.
I am starting to think the "forced landing" was a hoax and the whole incident just another Western provocation. Belarusians claim that the decision to diver to Minsk was made by the Ryan Air captain, after he somehow received information about a bomb threat. Sending a fighter jet to escort a hijacked plane or one with a bomb onboard is standard operating procedure after 9/11.It is Roman Protasevich, who claims he is facing a death penalty in Belarus. Unless he was supposed to be the hit man in the plot to assassinate Lukashenko, the claim is unlikely to be true. Maybe he was ready to spend a few years in prison "for the cause", just like Navalny was
The three reasons that make me believe the hoax email was sent by Western intelligence services and not by Belarus.
- Qui bono?
- Modus operandi
- Massive narrative management operation
It is premature to congratulate Lukashenko for a well-executed revenge. The costs are likely to far outstrip any benefits that Roman Protasevich might bring. Actually he may soon be flying to Vilnius or Warsaw.
Even Bellingcat noted that the plan follows exactly the script set up by Ukrainian SBU in 2020. But it goes far beyond that. Edward Snowden said the primary reason that made him defect was his repulsion at how the CIA abused its foreign assets. First they used them but at any moment they could be thrown under the bus. There is a long but unproven trail of this happening from Politkovskaya to Litvinenko to Skripal to Navalny. Protasevich's Nazi past makes him a prime candidate for dumping.
Belarus may not even have known that Roman Protasevich was onboard unless his pall Franak Viačorka had not tweeted that "Belarus has seized a plane" and Roman is "facing the death penalty." Vital for narrative management, but may have cost Protasevich his freedom.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 26 2021 18:11 utc | 6
Posted by: vk | May 26 2021 17:58 utc | 4
Excellent hypothesis, without leaving home I went to El Prado to see Goya’s Black Room where Saturn devours his children and at the same time I saw Al Pacino doing his Scar Face, compared to those destructive beings the poor Putilo and Protasevich are simple millennials playing with their iPhones, how dearly they’ll pay for their devices. It seems Protasevich is a bit darker though, there are rumors that while in Donbass shooting civilians he got shot in his lower back, a shameful wound for a soldier of fortune.
Posted by: Paco | May 26 2021 18:58 utc | 7
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 26 2021 18:11 utc | 6
Why? Why sacrificing own asset that knows too much?
To get pretext for more sanctions against Belarus?
That is insanely inefficient, considering west *don't* need any excuse for what it does.
Their media could make up some imaginary crap (fainting goats are being abused by Belarus regime!) then put sanctions against everyone and no one would question anything.
Posted by: Abe | May 26 2021 19:08 utc | 8
Ukrainian and Belarussian neo-Nazis are anything but nationalists. These are globalist-minded young people, majority of whom are homosexuals (which explains their affinity for the West and frustration with still mostly traditional society of Russia, Belarus and even Ukraine). They are ZOG stormtroopers, not the defenders of Ukraine.
After their victory in Ukraine, the country is almost completely bereft of ethnic Ukrainians in the highest echelons of power. Ukrainians are simply withering away at fastest rate in the world, a completely emasculated people.
Protasevich & Co are incapable of building, only of destroying, and that's what the West has in store for Belarus. Europe desperately needs its labor and brainpower since Ukraine is already close to being sucked dry, but the demand for new workers is rising.
I'm going to predict a civil war in Belarus and its eventual disappearance from the map, at least as a sovereign entity. It'll eventually be divided between Russia, Poland and maybe even Lithuania.
Posted by: Venom | May 26 2021 19:16 utc | 9
Protasevich may have done several interviews in 2015, during his time with Azov. I'll post two shortened url's to english translations of the original web publications, with choice excerpts underneath:
A war on a brother. What is the Belarusian volunteer fighting for in Donbass
I took part in all Azov's operations and was wounded. I have never regretted that I got involved in all this. I do not feel like a foreign body within the organization: I am the same fighter, like everyone else.
As for me personally, I am a supporter of limited democracy. I have nothing against gay people, but I do not support their adoption of children. I am not against national minorities, but for the toughening of migration legislation. I am not against democracy, but for the exclusion of absurd moments from it.
Fairly subdued interviews, i.e not frothing at the mouth about needing to exterminate ze untermensch. Standard "moderate right" puff pieces. Finally, here's the image from the second interview without the white box, courtesy of sharij.net.
Posted by: Skiffer | May 26 2021 19:24 utc | 10
No D notices needed, the British press do as theyre told, especially the Times and the BBC. Just a quiet word in the ear from MI6 or the Foreign Office and mums the word.
Posted by: Geraldo | May 26 2021 19:27 utc | 11
@vk #4
And yet the overarching public ideology is woke faux-progressive totalitarianism. Dugan's recent post nails it. The contradictions abound: on the one hand the Guardian vociferously condemns the racist (and pro-Fascist) comments made about the recent shooting of the BLM activist in the UK while on the other hand it tries to paint this Uki-SS scumbag as an innocent 'blogger'. The entire West is a vacuum of principle, ethics and humanism.
Thanks b for reminding us that world is organised hypocrisy.
Posted by: Patroklos | May 26 2021 19:28 utc | 12
@ Petri Krohn | May 26 2021 18:11 utc | 6.. excellent comments and considerations petri.. thanks... personally your viewpoint makes a huge amount of sense to me... why settle for only a navalny in russia when you can also have a protasevich holed up or worse in belarus indefinitely? this is like a recreation the skripal affair too in wanting to continue on the msm 24-7 prattling on about just how horrible belarus is for what they have done and etc. etc... it's all very predictable and playing a losing hand as i see it..
Posted by: james | May 26 2021 19:40 utc | 13
Thanks for this reporting b! Of course our establishment media will hide this pertinent information from us, just as they gave zero coverage of the recent news of the Chinese rover landing on Mars - one positive news item where one would think differences could have been set aside and celebrated as an accomplishment of all humankind. (Canada's French-language news media might have had some coverage, but on our US/UK-aligned English-language TV news media that I watched, it was as if it never happened. Erased from reality.)
Our establishment news media no longer serve to inform us and increase our understanding of world events, but to blatantly manipulate and shape the views of the masses along the lines of their designated narratives.
Likewise, there was zero mention by Canadian "news" media of the news of the recent US/NATO vacation of the Kandahar military base in Afghanistan, even though Canada's military was based there for 10 years and we lost how many lives there. Yet another indication of the capture of our so-called "free" news ...
vk @4, thanks, interesting thought. The oligarchic/druglord/warlord/mob/criminal/opportunist/fascist forces that the US always uses against other countries and peoples, in turn take the US further in that direction. The 1% plutocrats don't care, as long as it increases their own power and wealth.
Posted by: Canadian Cents | May 26 2021 19:52 utc | 14
TASS: Bern unaware of bomb scares aboard Ryanair plane that emergency landed in Minsk
There have been no announcements from the Swiss authorities to the Belarusian authorities on this matter, The Swiss Foreign Ministry spokesperson Pierre-Alain Eltschinger said
So probably another regime change scheme...
Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2021 20:10 utc | 15
There is an official Belarusian transcript of the communication between aircraft RYR 1TZ (flight FR4978) and Minsk air traffic control.
Scroll down for the English transcript. Use Google Translate or deepl (better, but you need to cut and paste the text) to translate the Russian text.
Have fun!
Posted by: theosch | May 26 2021 20:12 utc | 16
As for the false flag theory, I don't see what objective it serves at present, so it doesn't strike me as probable.
If his handlers wanted to be rid of him, as an inconvenient pawn, this isn't getting rid of him -- quite the opposite. If his balls have been shot off in Donbass, I'm sure the KGB will find something else to squeeze to make him sing any tune they want. Had he been novichoked in Greece, it would've been a different story.
If his handlers wanted a sacrificial lamb, they must know they picked a black sheep. The narrative of unprecedented air piracy isn't a very strong foundation for escalating tensions, neither is Roman's background in "journalism" -- I'm more prone to agree with those analysts that see the frantic response to this event as an indication of alarm. Considering they have Tikhanovskaya, whose only value really would be as a prisoner of conscience or, God forbid, a martyr, they wouldn't send a dirty neo-Nazi with blood on his hands to fill that role. At the end of the day, Roman could easily say and do things during interrogation that would instantly blow big holes in any mythos they would like to create around him, and embarrass the public figure or organization that would like to support him publicly. In essence, he's more toxic than Navalny.
That said, it's not a binary choice between either a CIA or KGB operation. Nothing says that only a state-backed organization could have pulled off a well-timed bomb-threat and forced an emergency landing. Or that Lukashenko really wanted anything to do with this hot mess. Or, for that matter, that the primary objective really was the arrest of Protasevich in Belarus. There's little to go on, but if the pebble that got the whole ball rolling was an e-mail directed specifically to Minsk air-control, this would be well within the capabilities of smaller hacker groups or citizen organizations. Also not out of the question is revenge by someone close to Protasevich, over a private matter.
Posted by: Skiffer | May 26 2021 20:31 utc | 17
Mr. B
There are prior precedents by US and UK for this type of activity:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/09/how-mi6-family-gaddafi-jail
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/13/libyan-dissident-mi6-aided-rendition
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1661763/hk-role-kidnapping-sami-al-saadi-back-spotlight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTPAYtpYOdA
From the self-proclaimed champions of Liberty, Justice, and Human Rights.
Posted by: fyi | May 26 2021 20:42 utc | 18
@Petri Krohn | May 26 2021 18:11 utc | 6
100% agree (from the beginning)
I done my own work. post on other thread. please read
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/05/lukashenkos-revenge-served-cold.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0282e10482b7200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0282e10482b7200b
and the next one on SOMAT
1/ ATC does it work
2/ pilot doesn't (18mn still flying FL390!)
why?
Posted by: Rêver | May 26 2021 21:04 utc | 19
False flag?? Nah not likely.
Of course the west will be spraying BS thick and fast. They even have MI6 scribbler Luke Harding on it for the grauniad.
Lukashenko rolled the west. The mouse of Belarus roared :))
Lukashenko needs to cover himself and the Belarus people. If not they will all end up torn up.
Long memory helps and a good vantage point in 2021 reveals a past strewn with dead and murdered people courtesy of the west. Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam, Chile, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine..... After Libya it is clear that the rules based order reinforces the old labour slogan: if you don't fight, you lose.
Petri Krohn posits a cautionary note against early celebrations and perhaps, perhaps. But I see it very differently - Lukashenko checkmated the regime change nation and its european toadies before they could use Protasevich for more devious ends. I gather he is their primary white knight and they would have enjoyed another year (at least) of his energetic performance on the production line of destroyed states and smashed people.
Then the UKUSA would have novichoked him just for added value. Perhaps Lukashenko saved him from exactly that fate. Certainly they will be telling him that.
I suggest that it is important to consider that the decline of the USA is systemic. Its not just evidenced by its past 6 or more presidents, it is evidenced by a range of poor thinkers we observe in its administration appointments. Consider Brennan, Pompeo, Haspel, Bolt-on, Blinken. Sad sad people and not known for their brilliance. No, the decline is systemic and it is permanent as the malign dumbos have captured the political class and the financial class and the judicial class. Meanwhile the mainstream media... Maddow? WAPO? NYT.
This is a declining empire and Machiavelli spent many words cautioning against just this absurd decline of nations.
We certainly are observing interesting times but for now, a toast to Lukashenko for straight talking, hard hitting and sharp outmaneuvering.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 26 2021 21:24 utc | 20
I must add that from decline and ruination a nation state can arise that is capable of realising the people's expectations and the possibility of refining excellence in public administration: The Boston Review takes a peek at a great achiever.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 26 2021 21:49 utc | 21
Petri Krohn @6
This event could certainly have been a false flag, but to what end? Just to get the empire's pet poodle statelets in the EU to start barking frantically? They do that anyway. There is no need for the empire to throw away one of its death squad assets just to make the little girls squeal. All that I can imagine at this point would be that the laptop that our Nazi "journalist" was carrying contained some kind of clever misleading disinfo that is intended to somehow influence Belarus and Russia into making a serious strategic blunder. I cannot imagine what that disinfo might be, but it would have to be setup for a big operation to be worth all the energy being put into the mass media noise to cover for it.
Personally I think the analysis by Alexander Mercouris here (utoob) makes a lot of sense. The indignant squeals from the western establishment seem quite genuine. They are accustomed to impunity. Having their "adversaries" do unto the empire what the empire does to everyone else, well, "That's just not fair!" I doubt the empire's strategists and narrative spinners ever imagined that their own agents could ever get renditioned.
First of all, the empire hasn't been playing four dimensional chess, and even their efforts at clever checkers (draughts for you limey bastards) moves have resulted in failure lately. If the empire's motive is not obvious then I think we must conclude that it isn't there at all.
Next, the cost to the empire of one of their agents being very conspicuously renditioned is very high. One of the factors that has previously made it easier for the empire to conduct color revolutions is that you can commit atrocities with no fear of repercussion so long as it is done for the empire. If it is for the empire you can murder, rape, and torture to your heart's content and never face consequences. This makes it a breeze for the CIA to recruit the filthiest lowlife scum on the planet to do their dirty work. If impunity is revoked then staffing color revolutions becomes more difficult.
Finally, having their death squad poster boy waltz right under the noses of the empire's "adversaries" while doing courier work is just the kind of stunningly delusional hubris that has been crippling the empire lately. This kind of screw-up is precisely what we have come to expect from the gender-confused hip wokesters with justified impostor syndrome and generalized anxiety disorder washing their Xanax down with lattes at Langley.
So maybe this is a false flag event that just has not finished playing out yet, but if so I will be truly surprised.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 26 2021 21:52 utc | 22
Thanks, b. It is great to learn more about the main character of the existing episode.
When looking at the big picture, the Financial Empire is driving a regime change in Belarus. However, Belarus is Russia’s red line.
In April, Russian FSB detained two individuals plotting coup in Belarus, assassination of Lukashenko. “They planned to carry out a military coup in Belarus according to the worked-out scenario of "color revolutions" with the involvement of local and Ukrainian nationalists, as well as the physical elimination of President Alexander Lukashenko.” Putin-Biden talked about alleged the US-led assassination plot.
There exist a “Belarus Liberation Plan” that has been presented to the Financial Empire’s representatives. Are they implementing this regime change plan? The existing restrictions and sanctions won't have much effect, they’re largely symbolic.
An interesting geopolitical PLAY between the Empire and Russia. We will learn about its direction in June after the Biden-Putin meeting. Kairos will meet Kronos!
Posted by: Max | May 26 2021 21:53 utc | 23
I tried to post this to r/geopolitics & r/Europe and I got shadow banned from r/geopolitics, r/unitedkingdom, r/ukpolitics & Permabanned from r/Europe for spreading disinformation. The post was only up for a few minutes, what fast readers those mods are! They hit back with this zinger of an article about 10 nanoseconds before retribution was swiftly delivered;
http://euromaidanpress.com/2021/05/26/protasevich-is-a-dissident-not-a-neo-nazi/
Holy mackerel, what a heckin' donut I am! I had never even considered the possibility that the Kremlin would just fabricate photos & video footage five years ago *le sigh*. This has prompted me to drastically change my entire stance I'm afraid, fellas. In line with true reddit custom, please accept my wife's body for your pleasure as penance for my actions
Posted by: catgirl appreciator | May 26 2021 22:26 utc | 24
How about if the bomb threat was part of an FF attempt to besmirch Hamas, and Luka being already paranoid got involved and accidentally caught a tasty morsel, who just happened to be on the plane pursuing other (presumably Ukraine/Belarus related) business? So everybody was surprised. Who would have thought this guy would be on the very same plane?
Posted by: Bemildred | May 26 2021 22:39 utc | 25
@ 22 william gruff... there is that too... i liked what this poster 'alaff' said on the previous thread @ 22.. so there is that..
"The inadequate hysterical reaction of a number of Western leaders is caused, among other things, by the value of the detained person. Roman Protasevich, ex-editor in chief of the extremist channel Nexta. This character will tell the Belarusian special services (the Russian ones will probably also get access to this information) a lot of interesting things, a lot of things that ordinary citizens are not supposed to know. Specific names and positions will be named. Who oversees the Nexta channel, representatives of which Western special services. Which of these people was involved in the development and implementation of a plan for information sabotage against Belarus in August 2020. How does Nexta receive funding, through which people, where and how. What amounts are we talking about. Probably, the Belarusian special services will uncover the "sleeping cells" of the opposition, identify agents of Western countries. The structure and peculiarities of the subversive activities of the Western special services against Belarus and Russia will probably be revealed. Information will be received about the connections of the Belarusian and Russian "non-systemic oppositionists" (it is no coincidence that a number of these characters in Russia instantly raised hysteria almost more than Western politicians), about the financing channels. Probably, information will be received, including about Navalny and his work for the Western special services...
Heh, the detained "journalist" of Nexta will tell a lot of interesting things.
This explains the hysterical reaction of a number of Western political elites. That's wonderful. By the way, recently Russian prankers once again played a trick on Western doers by talking to a representative of the odious American NED.
Again, a lot of interesting information was received.
Gradually and steadily, the entire network of subversive activities of Western intelligence services against Russia is being revealed.
Posted by: alaff | May 24 2021 19:42 utc | 24"
Posted by: james | May 26 2021 23:10 utc | 26
http://euromaidanpress.com/2021/05/26/protasevich-is-a-dissident-not-a-neo-nazi/
No, Belarusian dissident Protasevich is not a neo-Nazi. But the Kremlin sure wants you to think so
Posted by: Yuri | May 26 2021 23:19 utc | 27
@ Yuri | May 26 2021 23:19 utc | 27
No he isn't a neo-Nazi, there is nothing neo about the Ukrainian Stepan Bandera worshipping Nazis.
Posted by: MarkU | May 26 2021 23:29 utc | 28
@20 uncle tungsten
"Consider Brennan, Pompeo, Haspel, Bolt-on, Blinken. Sad sad people and not known for their brilliance. No, the decline is systemic and it is permanent as the malign dumbos have captured the political class and the financial class and the judicial class. Meanwhile the mainstream media... Maddow? WAPO? NYT. This is a declining empire and Machiavelli spent many words cautioning against just this absurd decline of nations."
I was just discussing this with a friend last night, the quality of senior US people now is so much less than only a few decades ago. The decline of the elites is so apparent, and starkly obvious when compared to their Chinese, Russian etc. counterparts.
Posted by: Roger | May 27 2021 0:10 utc | 29
Yuri @ 27:
The roamin' prostitutevich says it himself here: "I took part in all Azov's operations and was wounded. I have never regretted that I got involved in all this. I do not feel like a foreign body within the organization: I am a fighter like everyone else."
Images pulled off Protasevich's cellphone show him fully armed with Azov Battalion.
And you quote a propaganda outlet trying to besmirch people like Ben Norton and Ivan Katchanovski for doing their homework, searching Google for evidence of Protasevich's journalism while he was in the Donbass region in 2014.
Posted by: Jen | May 27 2021 0:18 utc | 30
Bemildred @25
Are ATC even allowed to ignore bomb threats? I'm pretty sure they cannot just pretend it didn't happen.
So yes, the bomb threat could very well have been a false flag, but yet again, what was the point? To make bogus info on the laptop look believable is a possible reason, but I cannot think of anything else.
Furthermore, had the empire's rising star Nazi head chopper not been onboard and gotten arrested, would anyone have cared about the plane being rerouted? I doubt it would have made the news at all then, though of course the Mockingbird mass media can make it the news if they are told to. At the same time they can manufacture from whole cloth an event for those programmed for hysteria to be hysterical about. They don't need an event that happens in the real world to build jingoism around. Presidential urine videos come to mind.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 27 2021 0:41 utc | 31
Yuri @27
Work harder, troll. The average intelligence in these fora is too high for that approach to be effective.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 27 2021 0:43 utc | 32
james @26
Excellent point. I missed that post. It is definitely worth appearing in this thread too so thanks for moving it forward.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 27 2021 0:46 utc | 33
catgirl appreciator @24
If your wife has a long fluffy tail and pointy ears then I will keep her busy for a while.
Don't feel too bad about being banned from reddit. It is normal to get kicked out of the kiddie pool when you get to be over twelve years old.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 27 2021 0:55 utc | 34
Posted by: Yuri | May 26 2021 23:19 utc | 27
Did you just use the Euromaidan Press as a source to disprove this fascist rat's Nazi credentials? That would be the very outlet that provided on its own volition the audiovisual and photographic material for the Odessa massacre, since the Ukro-Nazis genuinely wanted to publicize what they do to the actual dissidents.
In the case of Protasevich, he has proudly provided himself his far-right credentials that make him a proper foot-soldier for the Anglo-American regime. Photos, articles, interviews etc., all available above and beyond. One could only wish that the "Kremlin" would expose people like him more thoroughly, totally unlike the miserable job it's doing up to now.
In the end, not only is Protasevich a neo-Nazi, but it is highly probable that "Yuri" shares his ideology, but doesn't have the guts to admit it.
Posted by: Constantine | May 27 2021 1:01 utc | 35
Oh, to post in reddit forums
With the wankers and the colored buffoons
You can't be thirteen in reddit forums
Though you're thinking that you're leaving there too soon
You're leaving there too soon
Apologies to Neil Young
Posted by: William Gruff | May 27 2021 1:02 utc | 36
All coming out nicely I have to say.
I guess the Westerners didn't think Luka had the balls to stop a flight.
Posted by: Smith | May 27 2021 1:05 utc | 37
LOL!
Radio Svaboda, the Belarusian version of RFE/RL published an interview of Roman Protasevich in 2015 while he was fighting with the Azov Battalion:
Chase fighter: In case of invasion we will be the first to rush to defend BelarusExclusive interview to Svaboda of a Belarusian soldier from the Ukrainian regiment "Azov", a fighter of the "Pahonia" detachment with the call sign "Kim".
- Kim, we were told in the detachment that you were wounded near Shirokin. When and how did it happen? And did you recover from the injury?
- It happened on March 22. During the change of position on the right flank of the front line in the village of Shirokino came under fire from an enemy mortar battery, resulting in a shrapnel wound to the chest (saved body armor, shrapnel did not affect vital organs) and contusion.
However, thanks to the professionalism of military doctors, I was back in line a month later.
- How long have you been in the ATO zone?
- It's been almost a year. Now I serve in Mariupol.
- Why did you decide to go to war?
- Every volunteer comes to war for their own reasons. I was no exception. And the reasons for these are huge.
First, Ukrainian blood flows in me, because my distant relatives were Ukrainians.
Second, blood accounts with the Communists. Many innocent people were killed, imprisoned and exiled. Did not miss this and my family. Now Russia, as the successor of the "scoop" shows aggression and rolls into the "red abyss".
Third, now the war is not only for Ukraine but also for Belarus. If we do not stop the Russian Putin horde now, then our country with you may become the next. The increase in the military power of the Russian Federation, including in Belarus, clearly shows this.
...
How do we know it is Protasevich? After all the photo has his face blacked out and only the his callsign is revealed.
Because his smartphone contained the same photo, with his face showing.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 27 2021 1:17 utc | 38
Bemildred #25
How about if the bomb threat was part of an FF attempt to besmirch Hamas, and Luka being already paranoid got involved and accidentally caught a tasty morsel, who just happened to be on the plane pursuing other (presumably Ukraine/Belarus related) business? So everybody was surprised. Who would have thought this guy would be on the very same plane?
Is Sofia Sapega actually a Mossad agent as well as a member of the scientology cult?
Is there no end to the possibilities for this rumour of a false flag.
Thank you Bemildred. All jokes aside, I suspect the Belarus team knew exactly what flight was going where and where every participant in the Greek conference was from, where they stayed and what their travel plans were.
I suggest they grabbed the person/s they wanted.
This looks like a win for the Great Game A team.
The B team is pissed off, expect another UK patrol boat off Crimea soon ;)
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 27 2021 1:37 utc | 39
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 27 2021 1:37 utc | 39
Thank you Bemildred. All jokes aside, I suspect the Belarus team knew exactly what flight was going where and where every participant in the Greek conference was from, where they stayed and what their travel plans were.
That could be too. The Belarusians are the only ones that may not be surprised. In any case it is another great example of poor planning, so to say, of which there have been many. I find the idea that the friends of the little Nazi and the friends of the Hamas baiters were not talking believable, if not provable.
Either way it is priceless.
Posted by: Bemildred | May 27 2021 1:49 utc | 40
@ uncle tungsten | May 27 2021 1:37 utc | 39 who wrote
"
The B team is pissed off, expect another UK patrol boat off Crimea soon ;)
"
Brilliant minds think alike....grin It is all about narrative control and this is a challenge to that so Gawd only know what is coming next to "shock & awe" us all back into line.
One of the problems is that people are getting killed and hurt in this civilization war and us armchair generals have only remote skin in the game....not that I want the US blown to hell but the veil of global killing ignorance needs to come down somehow....all I have is my I Support Public Banking sign in my front yard....
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 27 2021 1:57 utc | 41
Alexander V. Litvinenko, Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia Skripal, Alexei Navalny. Alleged victims of the monster Putin. Never mind the ten million nobodies who are losing their eyesight in USSA SuperMax confinement, for very little reason.
MarkU #28
Thank you, yes he is no neo-nazi. He is the real deal. An unreconstructed relic Nazi just roaming about, murdering and butchering innocent civilians from his deep inner well of hate.
The only false flag we have here is this Nazi soldier masquerading as a journalist freedom fighter and firmly planted in the eastern European theatre of regime change. The false flag is the constant drivel of him being a young, pretty faced innocent when in actual fact he is the contrived killer from the west.
Free Julian Assange!
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 27 2021 2:51 utc | 43
uncle tungsten #39
Agree with your assertion, “the Belarus team knew exactly.”
Based on the high cost incurred by Belarus & Lukashenko, Roman Protasevich is a “high value asset.” Also, the fact they captured Sofia too, they want valuable insights from him. Information is power, people are power.
The West is showing they’re imperialist hypocrites. They kept quiet during Edward Snowden, Julian Assange,...
Posted by: Max | May 27 2021 3:24 utc | 44
The concept of "dissident" itself being bereft of any ideology itself is appalling. No sane people will ever stand up against a 'dictator' for no reason or lofty ideals such as democratic values and shits. Any dissent to be strong enough to manifested itself as an (illegal) opposition requires an ideology. Sacrificing one's comfort requires a great deal of conviction and no lofty ideals would served that. But of course the Western MSM could say out loud what these 'dissenter' ideology is.
Posted by: Hangar | May 27 2021 3:31 utc | 45
Petri Krohn #6
“”After the email was received everything happened exactly according to international norms and standards. It was the decision of the Ryanair captain alone to turn back and land in Minsk.””
Point of fact: Rayanair’s scheduled destination in Lithuania was substantially closer than was Minsk at the point where the plane diverted to Minsk.
Posted by: Ed | May 27 2021 4:03 utc | 46
Below are quotes from a ZH piece
"
Instead of concealing the ordeal or downplaying the detention which has attracted international media scrutiny and outrage, Lukashenko has gone on the offense, lashing out at his critics while justifying the detention of Protasevich, calling him an "extremist" who was ultimately taking cues from a foreign entity in his activism and journalism, or even "inciting riots" - as he's being charged with. "One extremist with his female accomplice. So let his numerous Western patrons answer this question: Which intelligence services did this individual work for?" Lukashenko said as quoted by the Belarus Segodnya newspaper.
"Not only him but his accomplice as well. These Western advocates should answer one more question: who paid him for taking part in the war in Donbass?" Belarus' president added, "Perhaps, they fear this the most. So they’re making a fuss. His experience as a mercenary is huge."
It's long been reported and a subject of controversy in Belarusian and Eastern European media that Pratasevich was indeed in war-torn Donbas in Ukraine at the height of fighting there in 2015. And BBC among others is now acknowledging:
"Mr Protasevich confirmed in an interview last year that he had spent a year in the conflict-hit Donbas region and was wounded, but said he was covering the conflict as a journalist and photographer."
He was "embedded" with the far-right and neo-Nazi linked Azov Battalion while they fought fierce battles against pro-Russia separatists. However, BBC notes that Protasevich has insisted he was only there as a journalist: "A former commander of the Azov unit has backed Mr Protasevich's version of events, confirming that he spent time with them as a journalist and was wounded," the report says.
"
I still want some juicy quotes from Ms Nuland to ice the cake of this shit show Narrative.
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 27 2021 4:48 utc | 47
Hi Guys,
i have watched the linked video again and again and i can not see him. Can someone tell me the time stamp that i should be looking at?
Thanks
Posted by: jack lockwood | May 27 2021 4:54 utc | 48
Sorry ignore me i am being daft.. i should have continued reading instead of watching the vid over and over. found him haha.
Posted by: jack lockwood | May 27 2021 4:57 utc | 49
Ed #46
Point of fact: Rayanair’s scheduled destination in Lithuania was substantially closer than was Minsk at the point where the plane diverted to Minsk.
Good try but the point of fact that conditions your 'point of fact' is that the pilot flew on while bantering away with the Minsk Control Tower for a time and yes that may have placed him further north but he was entirely in the Belarus control zone, he had been notified that the plane would be detonated on 'its descent into Vilnius' airport, he was bound by international conventions to adhere to the rules governing these alarms and the command of the Minsk alert team, he had no real choice other than to bravado it out at the expense of his life, his passengers lives and his company.
The pilot is entirely correct in his procedure. The little murdering nazi is entirely safe in his cell.
The people of Belarus are relieved from this swastika clad crusader of Ukraine.
I don't have a problem with that. Do you?
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 27 2021 4:58 utc | 50
psychohistorian #47
I still want some juicy quotes from Ms Nuland to ice the cake of this shit show Narrative.
I have a quote from Ms Nuland: F#CK Lukashenko!!👺
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 27 2021 5:07 utc | 51
Hi VK. I don’t disagree with your analysis that the fundamental project of the US (and its allies) has been the vilification of potential threats as “communist” and the movement of the US into fascism. You also write, “ The USA already was the Capitalist International since the end of WWII, but it now has degenerated into the Fascist International.”
China has thrown a major spaniel into the works of this convenient Western narrative, because it has clearly not been communist in anything resembling what the West meant by the term; in fact Nixon and Kissinger went to China with American industry in tow because they believed that Chinese capitalism would eventually turn the Middle Kingdom into a sub-unit of Goldman-Sachs. The US woke up to this reality way, way, way too late; the horses had already left the barn: US industry was already gutted, with no way back.
But the current problem is that the “China be communist!” “Communism BAD!!!” “China BAD!!!!” Narrative isn’t working and won’t work, because the US (and the West) has no functional response to the reality that China makes better business deals, on more favorable terms, than does the World Bank and the IMF. It has no functional response to the reality that China makes products to the specifications of its customers. If the customers provide crappy specifications, fine, China will produce a crappy product. But blame the people who order the specifications, not the Chinese. If the customers provide quality specifications, China will create a quality product, based on those specifications.
China doesn’t really care about fascism or socialism or communism, in my view. It cares about using commerce to generate mutually beneficial relationships, based on the ancient Confucian principle of reciprocity. This is something that the US and West agree with in principle, but in fact are about usery, interest, and exploitation. But the US and West are in denial about this and prefer a slide into fascism and a hollowing out of their industrial base and their middle classes to become what the Russians call “not agreement capable.” China is agreement capable. And this, not ideological differences, is why the Western narratives of “China/communist/BAD!!!” Don’t work, and why China is on the ascendency and the West is collapsing. China focuses on reciprocity; the West focuses on capital gains.
Posted by: Joseph Dillard | May 27 2021 5:11 utc | 52
@catgirl appreciator | May 26 2021 22:26 utc | 24
Yeah - Reddit is even more of a shitshow of fake news than Twitter is. The mods there will ban anyone who posts anything that isn't pure Corporate Media swill, and increasingly it must also be from the Grievance Studies wing of the Corporate Media. The only point in posting to Reddit would be if you created your own subreddit, but then the site would probably ban you the way they did the MAGAchud and Drumpf subs, back after the 2020 election.
"Social Media" in the US is increasingly becoming just "The Great Firewall of the US", replete with paid trolls (NSA, CIA, "Thinktanks") and censors (Bellingcrap, The Atlantic Council, Corporate botnets, and Corporate "content policy").
I find it comical when I hear or see people from The States railing about the "lack of freedom" and "censorship" in China. How is censorship by corporate policy any less censorious than censorship by political party?
China is a one-party state run by oligarchs within that political party--a party that emphatically teaches the importance of morality and ethics in administrating others; the US is a one-party state run by corporate oligarchs who seek only to line their pockets with more cash.
I really see no difference between the "freedoms" the US "enjoys" and the "dictatorship"/"tyranny" of the CCP. The main difference, to my mind, is that you don't run nearly as great a risk of getting randomly shot in China as you do in the US--and there are far more opportunities there for ordinary people to lift themselves out of poverty, in contrast to the US, where poverty is rapidly increasing across all strata of society.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 27 2021 5:34 utc | 53
i have just emailed my local MP, please see below, we need to actully do something about his instead of just talking about it;
Good morning Mr Gibb.
I write to you today to ask what your personal stance is in the support of Neo-Nazi groups in Europe?
As we all have all no doubt seen recently the news of the Ryanair plane that was forced down in Belarus and the arrest of the “opposition blogger” Roman Protasevich. I am very very concerned about the support our Government, the BBC and other western media is giving to this person. Roman Protasevich is a member of the Azov battalion from the Ukraine, a self styled Neo-Nazi organisation that has called for the genocide of Russian speaking people in the Ukraine. Seeing my Government come out in support of a Nazi soldier is actually terrifying and has questioned to my core the legitimacy of the government in this country and I can only conclude that we are now the evil force in the world, we are the Nazis. Please see the link to a news piece with irrefutable evidence that Roman Protasevich is part of a Nazi organisation.
You need to bring this to the attention of Parliament. My request to you today will give me an idea of how far this conspiracy runs through our government, media etc. I think to my self now, how long did the people of Germany have to stop Hitler before his rise to power? I cannot in good conscious support or give consent to a Government that supports murderers whilst blatantly telling lies to its own people white washing people like Protasevich.
The thought in my head now, quite probably the most extreme thoughts I have ever had is that we, the people need to raise an army and decapitate our own government, I cannot see another way through. What forces actually have control of our country? What is democracy?
Please do not dismiss me or this and I patiently await your response on this most urgent of matters. I would welcome a meeting with yourself to discuss this in person.
And just to give you a slice of background on me, I am 34 years old, I live in Wick, Littlehampton. I am a business owner and engineer. I am homosexual. I have no criminal record and have been CRB checked every year since I was 18 due to my work in the security industry. I am well behaved.. but im starting to think that needs to change. I think its time the good men stood up and say NO.
And if you think I am wrong, please present the evidence. I implore you, please change my mind if I am wrong.
Kind Regards,
Jack Lockwood
Arun Valley AUTOGATE
www.AVAG.co.uk
Posted by: jack lockwood | May 27 2021 5:58 utc | 54
@ jack lockwood | May 27 2021 5:58 utc | 54 with the personal claim of being well behaved but thinking about changing....and being a homosexual
We didn't need that last part and you can bet it will be used to silence you if necessary.
Thanks for the sentiments. As a 72 year old US citizen watching this shit show for 50+ years has been difficult but interesting to watch the decent into financialization of the West. I am a regular here that claims that replacing private finance in the world for finance owned by sovereign countries and operated as a utility for its citizens is the key to humanities evolution beyond the barbarism global private finance fosters.
You being in the UK can focus your efforts on uncovering the secrets of The City of London Corp that seems to be the bastion of private finance along with the US Fed.....good luck
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 27 2021 6:17 utc | 55
@ psychohistorian
Thank you, i had my penny drop moment about ten years ago at the beginning of the so called "syrian civil war". Problem is, watching this, hiding behind handles is not preventing this. The mightiest of buildings are built from the smallest of bricks. I am aware of what sticking ones head above the trenches can lead to.. But id rather stand face first into the cold wind that shy away.
I have in the past looked into the City of London and its very odd country within a country setup and that it shows that the powers who have ruled for hundreds of years still do, regardless of what we the little people think. Im not militant in my thinking generally, but we are getting so far out i feel i need to reach back and try grab something before its too late.
I have been coming to MOA for some years now, reading the articles and mainly reading the comments. I find them to be quite revealing. I dont always agree with B and sometimes find his Germanic hubris grating, but i still come and read and pay attention. I thank all the regular posters for the information they bring.
Physicist say that entropy is the way of the universe as we know, order to chaos.. but i dont think we should be trying to accelerate it...
Posted by: jack lockwood | May 27 2021 6:38 utc | 56
@ Uncle Tungsten #50 and Petri Krohn
No, the pilot was not "entirily" correct in his procedure.
A good research could be on this guy (and flight experience civilian and/or other...)
please check my #19 and yesterday in other thread.
He was alerted entering Belarus airspace
and just maintain FL390 and route for 20 minutes!
Pilot: 09:28:58 Minsk, Good day, RYR 1TZ, FL390 approaching SOMAT
ATC:09:29:04 RYR 1TZ, Minsk Control, good afternoon, radar contact.
correct procedure was to climb down immediately and divert to next available airport. Minsk or Warsaw, but MINSK is the logical one when being Belarus airspace.
The question remain why this pilot do this? (Rookie or aware of a plot or value of passenger)
20 mn is a long time for this kind of event. We miss the others conversations (withe Vilnius , with Ryannair, with any other "passenger" or "team".
And we miss time and exact place or places (only Minsk airport make no sense).
But the boy is safe and well "treated". Happy end!
Route on flightradar is clear
https://samchui.com/2021/05/24/ryanair-b737-divert-to-belarus-after-intercepted-by-mig-29-fighter-jet/
Posted by: Rêver | May 27 2021 6:39 utc | 57
“It is shocking that the West calls the incident in Belarusian airspace ‘shocking’,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote on Facebook.
“Either (they) should be shocked by … the forced (landing) in Austria of the Bolivian president’s plane at the request of the United States … Or (they) should not be shocked by similar behaviour by others.”
Zakharova was citing a July 2013 incident which saw then-Bolivian President Evo Morales grounded in Vienna for several hours while his plane was stopped and searched for the whistleblower Edward Snowden.
Posted by: hannibal | May 27 2021 6:54 utc | 58
@Jack lockwood 54, I fully support this kind of direct action. Our elected politicians should not be allowed to claim ignorance. Bravo!
Posted by: Steve | May 27 2021 9:17 utc | 59
The european poodles are going to be taught how to behave, AirFrance flight to Moscow blocked and cancelled since it pretended to bypass Belarus air space. That's the way to teach children.
Here a quick translation of a main Spanish paper describing the nazi who called for police children to be killed, gave recepies for molotov cocktails and called for sabotaging railroads in Belarus:
Very young, a mane of blond hair, challenging gaze, known face, spiky youngster, remarkable journalist, influential blogger, patriot, collaborator with independent media like Radio Svoboda..
And everybody’s talking about the decadence of the west…
Posted by: Paco | May 27 2021 9:21 utc | 60
Rêver #57
Thank you, so the pilot tried to blather his way to the border, is that what you say? Was he intercepted by a Belarus air force plane to assist him to see the need to land at Minsk or did he decide to accede to the Minsk ATC? SO I take it he was informed immediately on entering Belarus airspace and yada yada until almost at the northern border.
If that is so then the pilot commited grave procedural errors. The conclusion though is entirely satisfactory but can you find out the number of passengers remaining in Minsk, Two or more than two?
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 27 2021 10:04 utc | 61
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 27 2021 10:04 utc | 61
Three passengers that were supposed to take a flight Vilnius Minsk simply stayed behind thanking the incident for shorting their flight home. One of them is a Greek -or grecian as Dubbya would say- citizen, here an article about him you can machine translate it.
Luka claimed that the MIG29 was raised since the Ryanair plane was to fly close to an atomic plant, the anti aircraft defenses at the plant where in full alert too. Today the MSM is quite, it is so embarassing to talk about "journalists" concerning the pair of nazis that as one Kedmi -an Israeli talking head quoted often in Russian media- said, as soon as they changed his diapers Protasevich started singing, real heroes...
Posted by: Paco | May 27 2021 10:51 utc | 62
To: Venom
"I'm going to predict a civil war in Belarus and its eventual disappearance from the map, at least as a sovereign entity. It'll eventually be divided between Russia, Poland and maybe even Lithuania."
Based on what?
Posted by: robert | May 27 2021 10:54 utc | 63
Well, if the quoted threat is correct, this is about Hamas, not Belarus. More of a publicity stunt than an accual false flag.
What went wrong? The plane is supposed to turn back to Kiev, not land in Minsk. And then on with the show: live from Kiev, This! Is! How! Evil! Hamas! Is!
Remember they are a terrorist organisation, it's, it helps a lot if they do some of that nasty terrorism from time to time.
Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | May 27 2021 10:58 utc | 64
The character with Protasevich in the Sva Stone photo looks alarmingly like a Ukrainian I know in real life, Mikhail E. (Not putting the surname for obvious reasons, but he's an ethnic Russian from Kiev.) He's twice stayed with me when in India, but ceased communicating a month after the Maidan Nazi coup of 2014.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 27 2021 11:56 utc | 65
Jörgen Hassler @64
Obviously the bomb threat was bogus. One of the certainties in the Ryanair event, along with the fact that the guy who was arrested is a bona fide Nazi, is that Hamas had nothing to do with it. That was obvious from the get-go. Why waste a good bomb scare calling for a ceasefire when you already have a ceasefire? Furthermore, Hamas calling for a ceasefire makes them look weak and undermines the narrative that they won the fight with the Zionazis. Why call for a ceasefire with something as dramatic as a bomb threat if they are winning?
I realize that many people in the West have had their feeble minds programmed to dismiss the fact that the supposed actions of their "enemies" don't make any sense with a shrug and the rationalization of "Well, they're evil. Who knows why evil people do the things they do?" This leaves the brainwashed and feeble-minded westerners living in a dark and sinister world filled with evil that is beyond their understanding, when in fact that is just something that only exists within their own frayed and over-laundered minds. The fact is that there are no "incomprehensibly evil" world leaders. Even conspicuously foul beasts like NuttyYahoo, or Ukraine's PorkyShanko, have an internal logic to their actions. Dismissing them as incomprehensibly evil only leaves you ignorant. Of course, such mindless dismissals are almost a requirement to live with one's brainwash programming without excessive (more than can be handled with Xanax) cognitive dissonance.
Did everyone involved know right off that it was not Hamas behind the bomb threat? Almost certainly; nevertheless, things like bomb threats have to be taken seriously anyway.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 27 2021 12:25 utc | 66
Interesting article focusing more on the bomb threat aspect, suggesting that perhaps the fact that this whole thing seems oddly similar to the previous Ukranian plan to force down a plane to capture several Russians who had fought in the Donbass, might be because it came from the same source. Essentially, this questions whether the Ukrainian intelligence, who was embarrassed by Russia/Belarus in the unravelling of their last couple of plans, might have essentially set up Belarus by making the bomb treat themselves, sure that Belarus would seize Roman once on the ground. Yes it sacrifices Protasevich, but would cause much grief for Lukeshenko and, perhaps most importantly, would close air travel to Minsk, strengthening the Ukrainian (and US) attempts to sideline the Minsk format and replace it with something else.
Donbass Insider: Maybe a Trap for Lukeshenko
Posted by: J Swift | May 27 2021 12:32 utc | 67
The US has the 3rd largest population, the top 2 economy - the belief that it will collapse and/or disappear is idiotic.
Nor will the overseas footprint shrink until the USD is no longer the majority trade reserve currency AND petrodollar standard is broken.
Even if the US started spending on par with its actual GDP, it would still dominate the military spending charts; long before which the sheer corruption and waste in its existing processes will be reined in.
Posted by: c1ue | May 27 2021 12:49 utc | 68
In response to uncle tungsten@61,
so the pilot tried to blather his way to the border, is that what you say? Was he intercepted by a Belarus air force plane to assist him to see the need to land at Minsk or did he decide to accede to the Minsk ATC? SO I take it he was informed immediately on entering Belarus airspace and yada yada until almost at the northern border.
According to Lukashenko, the pilot spent these 20 minutes in communications with his "owners," whether that means Ryanair execs or something more insidious, asking for advice on what to do. Lukashenko also hinted that the plane was rejected by the airports in Kiev, Warsaw, Athens, Lvov and even its destination in Vilnius, before the crew finally decided to take Minsk up on its offer. Although flying to any of these alternatives would ultimately be against regulations, the option to do so was still on the table, and was clearly being considered judging by the delay in following protocol.
I'm tempted to revise my previous stance on whether this might have been a false flag, even with the possible motive still blurry, since this mass rejection certainly appears coordinated and deliberate. At the same time, the ATC's of these airports would presumably be aware of protocol and, if operating by the book, would presumably advise the crew to take advantage of Minsk's offer of assistance. Inviting a flying explosive device, with all the fallout of civilian casualties and entanglement with "Hamas," into one's own airspace voluntarily and against regulations doesn't seem like the sort of decision one would take lightly, and pawning this whole mess off on Minsk would probably seem like dodging a bullet.
Posted by: Skiffer | May 27 2021 13:02 utc | 69
Posted by: Skiffer | May 27 2021 13:02 utc | 69
I'm tempted to revise my previous stance on whether this might have been a false flag, even with the possible motive still blurry, since this mass rejection certainly appears coordinated and deliberate. At the same time, the ATC's of these airports would presumably be aware of protocol and, if operating by the book, would presumably advise the crew to take advantage of Minsk's offer of assistance. Inviting a flying explosive device, with all the fallout of civilian casualties and entanglement with "Hamas," into one's own airspace voluntarily and against regulations doesn't seem like the sort of decision one would take lightly, and pawning this whole mess off on Minsk would probably seem like dodging a bullet.
Now I understand why Poland demands custody of the black boxes. They would hardly be interested in investigating, but evidently they need to keep secret any communications the pilots may have had with other ATCs.
Poland insists on access to black boxes of Ryanair plane forcibly landed in BelarusThe General Prosecutor's Office of Poland ordered the initiation of a criminal case in connection with the forced landing in Minsk of an aircraft that belongs to the Polish division of the Irish airline Ryanair.
Poland is requesting access to the jet's black boxes in order to identify the arguments that led to the decision to change the course, Simon Sinkowski, the country's deputy foreign minister, said on Tuesday.
I was wrong earlier about whose idea it was to fly to Minsk. I misinterpreted the parties on the audio tape. It is Minsk ATC that recommends landing in Minsk. The pilot is very hesitant, and only turns to Minsk at the last moment. There are long pauses in the communication. These might indicate he was talking to someone else, that Belarus has no recording of. Here is the transcript.
Ryanair maintained flight level FL390 all the way to the Lithuanian border and at the last moment made a U-turn and squawked 7700.
I now believe Vilnius ATC denied the Ryanair plane entry into Lithuanian airspace. The plane should have started decent long before reaching the Lithuanian border. This did not happen. It should also have established communication this Vilnius ATC while deep in Belarusian airspace. Where is this transcript.
P.S. - When Protasevich says he was a "journalist" when fighting with the Azov Battalion he must mean that RFE/RL paid him to write his own interview and take his own photographs.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 27 2021 14:41 utc | 70
In response to Petri Krohn@70,
According to Lukashenko, the Belorussians have all the communications of the flight on record, but don't consider it appropriate to release any but that of their own ATC and the flight crew. This was coupled with a plea for all sides involved in the incident to be transparent, which can be interpreted as a veiled threat that the full release of all communications is being considered. I see it as bargaining -- presumably Lukashenko would be more than happy to let the states and organizations involved keep their faces for back-room concessions. Whether the same consider anything that Belarus may have on record a serious threat is up for debate.
Posted by: Skiffer | May 27 2021 15:41 utc | 71
No, Belarusian dissident Protasevich is not a neo-Nazi. But the Kremlin sure wants you to think so
I agree Protasevich is a REAL NAZI!!! Nothing neo about him!! A real throwback to Hitler himself!
How about I go to Minsk and draw and quarter him.... while filming it!
INDY
Posted by: George W Oprisko | May 28 2021 0:21 utc | 72
The US has the 3rd largest population, the top 2 economy - the belief that it will collapse and/or disappear is idiotic.
Nor will the overseas footprint shrink until the USD is no longer the majority trade reserve currency AND petrodollar standard is broken.
Even if the US started spending on par with its actual GDP, it would still dominate the military spending charts; long before which the sheer corruption and waste in its existing processes will be reined in.
That is what they said about the USSR... ROME.... The Austro-Hungarian Empire....
USA GDP is overstated... nearly 60% consists of financial transactions... akin to shifting the deck chairs on the titanic...
Boeing, Pratt&Whitney, GE, toast... Ford moving it's new plants to Mexico...
Wakeup!
INDY
Posted by: George W Oprisko | May 28 2021 0:25 utc | 73
It is so far over the top. How many slavic people were murdered by the Nationalsocialists? It is a shame how the western media is handeling this issue.
Posted by: Ullrich | May 29 2021 19:05 utc | 74
Same wording as russian propaganda. Russian shit!
Posted by: RussiansAreShit | May 30 2021 5:07 utc | 75
Posted by: Abe | May 26 2021 19:08 utc | 8
"Their media could make up some imaginary crap (fainting goats are being abused by Belarus regime!) then put sanctions against everyone and no one would question anything."
This is already happening, at least at more than a couple of MSM sources that I have seen or read. If they mention it at all. I think my country is in the fight for its existence as a supposed democracy, And there is so much domestic disaster right in front of us that the international tsunami coming at us can't even break into the 'news cycle' each day.
TominAZ
Posted by: TominAZ | May 31 2021 0:53 utc | 77
@71, "...which can be interpreted as a veiled threat that the full release of all communications is being considered"
Meh. I don't think the West can be intimidated by threatening to release incriminating info, these days. Any inconvenient facts would be ignored, suppressed, declared 'fake news', denounced as 'Russian propaganda'. Alternative facts will be invented and made 'common knowledge'. No sweat.
We've seen lots and lots of it.
Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | May 31 2021 10:00 utc | 78
@Canadian Cents
CBC, CTV, Global, Toronto Star gave coverage to the rover according to my google search results.
Posted by: Truetho | May 31 2021 19:09 utc | 79
I've come to MOA from Unz, and I'm curious about MOAs opinion of the Nazis. So I notice in this article 'neo-Nazi' is used as a slur which gives me an excuse to ask ... what does MOA think of Nazis? Let me provide a little context, this is a photo from my kid's 11th grade history text, McGraw-Hill's Traditions and Encounters, https://i.imgur.com/DbgpDde.jpg, check it out ! And beyond Hitler, what is MOA's opinion of the holohoax. I note that Unz wrote an article that questions whether or not it happened at all, but on the other hand Unz publishes many articles promoting the hoax and very few, if any other than those by Linh Dinh, that don't accept the hoax. I've followed MOA for some time and I don't recall a mention of the hoax. What gives?
Posted by: Allan Davis | May 31 2021 21:55 utc | 80
I'd like to add that I used to be a frequent commenter on Unz, but now most of my comments are deleted. Today I posted a comment which was a quote from the good book, and it was deleted. It's in the form of a quote, you can see it here - https://i.imgur.com/bnBdlSV.jpg
Posted by: Allan Davis | May 31 2021 22:00 utc | 81
Hi,
Where is the proof that he is a neo-nazi ?
Wearing a military uniform is not a proof at all .
I’m not defending Protasevich. I just want real information that you usually provide .
Posted by: Romain | Jun 1 2021 8:05 utc | 82
@Romain | Jun 1 2021 8:05 utc | 82
Yeah, right!
And where is the proof anyway that the Azov Battalion is a bunch of neo-nazis? The uncanny similarity of their emblem to the original emblem of the Waffen-SS, that's purely coincidence. Really!
Posted by: Lurk | Jun 1 2021 14:33 utc | 83
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Glad to see the follow up on Roman, thanks b
I saw a posting on ZH that say Roman and his friend have admitted a number of things already and say they are being treated fairly.
This should upend a few apple carts....I am waiting for whatever quotes from Ms. Nuland come out....GRIN
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 26 2021 16:55 utc | 1