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May 19, 2021

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Posted by: abee | May 20 2021 13:57 utc | 101

@ Sunny Runny Burger 99
In your long journey which might include voting communist, you might want (if you haven't already) to become familiar with the Indian M.K. Bhadrakumar who is a former statesman and writes prolifically on various matters. He doesn't mention it much, but he leans toward communism. He now resides in the Indian state of Kerala, on the southwest coast of India, governed very successfully by communists. They reportedly have an excellent health system, for one thing, which benefited the citizens recently. It's a beautiful state to visit and has many various and simple touristic attractions. . .MKB here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 20 2021 14:14 utc | 102

Best place to relocate European "jews" is Bavaria(Bayern).

There's a no doubt apocryphal story about a meeting between FDR and the Saudi King, during which the former informed the latter that Palestine would be established as a homeland-state for Jews. The King asked why; FDR responded with the Holocaust. To which the King is supposed to have said: "So why not give them Germany?"

Bavaria wouldn't be ideal, either culturally or historically. Some kind of Greater Berlin or Greater Vienna, maybe, especially because there was so little culture of note in the latter that wasn't propagated by Jews. Or maybe Galicia, but one can only imagine the fun and games of having Western Ukraine governed by the kind of people who do anti-Arab Kristallnaechte in the current Israeli state . . . although come to think of it, the situation in Western Ukraine didn't turn out all that differently with the people there now.

Hardly matters; they got Palestine and apparently are prepared to walk over mountains of corpses to keep it.

Posted by: corvo | May 20 2021 14:40 utc | 103

oops, forgot to attribute the first line of my post immediately above to
Rewe | May 20 2021 7:06 utc | 77

Posted by: corvo | May 20 2021 14:42 utc | 104

The link at #102 is quite good and has not passed unnoticed. Concerns the oil and gas fields off the coasts of Gaza, Israel(Palestine) and Lebanon. Israel has been proceeding on basis of “What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is mine too.” Hamas used their best missiles with best guidance systems to precisely hit Israeli oil and gas infrastructure. They are undoubtedly prepared to do much more of that. As is Hezbollah.

All commenters: US is presently an LNG exporter. US is also an importer. Net gas exports are negative. Some indications that in a few years natural gas availability in US will be greater. Does not change fact that US has insufficient infrastructure to be a large exporter and shows no signs of preparing for that possibility. Were the US economy functional we would not be exporting gas at all. US will never be a reliable export supplier. Everyone keeps talking price. That is a second order consideration. Primary considerations are US does not have that much to sell and US will never be agreement capable.

Posted by: Oldhippie | May 20 2021 14:52 utc | 106

Posted by: abee | May 20 2021 11:57 utc | 95

Indeed she does, dear abee, but she'd look a lot better if she'd brought a mortar to a gun fight.

There are better ways to go down swinging.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 20 2021 15:00 utc | 107

Thank you for the post, michaelj72 @79

The article below notes that 11 kids from programs run by the Norwegian Refugee Council (plus siblings, so more than 11 affiliated) were killed in Gaza.

The NRC delivered a written statement to the UN about Palestine on Feb. 11, 2021

'The Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC) has called – subsequent to expert legal advice for a systemic integration of international humanitarian law (IHL) and IHRL in the context of the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). This approach entails a vision of a coherent international legal system, and allows for greater avenues through which rules of IHRL may be brought to bear. Even where not directly applicable, rules of IHRL can be used to inform the interpretation of terms and concepts within IHL, and the law of belligerent occupation.'

And talk about a "belligerent occupant'... this moose bunny-hopped a fence and ended up in a pool!

Apparently it likely bounced off a play structure or something. To the bunny hop!

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 20 2021 15:10 utc | 108

Newsweek just published one of the foulest articles in the name of freedom of speech. The op-ed by a so-called professor Abraham Miller calling for killing all Palestinians whom he compared to fleas that has infested Israel, like an “infested dog”.

Well Abraham, the only thing you nailed in your racist article is that Israel is an infested dog alright. Genetically. Nothing to do with the Palestinians. And the only way to stop this dog infecting everything around it is to put it down. This time as good as any since there is no cure for it.

I detest US society and what it has become that it actually openly advocates such extreme double standard that a Jew, and a filthy one at that, can write such manure that can only be classified as hate speech, but not one American citizen can criticize, not even remotely, the Jews, Israel or their actions and mindset without being labeled an antisemite and destroy their lives with labels and etc.

Jews need to realize, that any persecution in the future will be by their own doing, by feeling invulnerable and ignoring every decent norm in our society.

An infested diseased dog that does not behave only has one fate.

Posted by: Alpi | May 20 2021 15:37 utc | 109

Posted by: oldhippie | May 20 2021 11:51 utc | 94

Hey man, thanks for the reply.

I just happened to read an article about Colonial Pipeline and its ownership in the AFR and I went back to it for the benefit of barflies. Two weeks ago I hadn't heard of them. Who knows where the AFR sourced its story from. It was from an Australian point of view considering Australian interests had investments in Colonial Pipeline.

However I have heard of Koch and his political affiliations.

As a matter of interest, your comment:
"These bastards love to hide, love to misdirect. I am sick to death of the notion that we are owned by vague amorphous “banking interests” or agglomerations of retirement accounts or the freaking “bourgeoisie” resonates with me.

A friends of mine , an Australian farmer tells me that many other farmers, particularly along the Lachlan River have sold their farms to various 'amorphous banking interests or foreign pension funds' at a big premium and told to 'stay as long as you like, farm as long as you like, call us when you retire and leave the keys in the mail box.' Few are happy about that.

I'll leave it to others to decide if I am from the 77th Brigade spreading misinformation.

Posted by: Paco | May 20 2021 11:16 utc | 91

My friend comes from Dodge City, he knows his way around. I heard him speaking Spanish to a Uruguayan woman.

He doesn't want to go back to the US until things calm down.

Posted by: Paul | May 20 2021 15:45 utc | 110

Alpi | May 20 2021 15:37 utc | 110

I personally found it amusing how the good professor unintentionally compared Israel to a dog, which in the more traditional Jewish cultures is anything but flattering. ;-)

Posted by: corvo | May 20 2021 15:52 utc | 111

Criticism of Israel goes mainstream in the US:

Bernie Sanders in the US Senate.

Geraldo Rivera on Fox News

Ali Veslhi on MSNBC

Posted by: farm ecologist | May 20 2021 16:20 utc | 112

For Australians:

Dear Friends of Palestine

Rally at Parliament House at 3pm Sunday 23 May

With the tragedy and appalling war crimes being perpetrated by the Israelis on the Palestinians there are a number of protest events in Canberra and Australia, which we hope you can attend and/publicise.

The APAN website has details of all the events around Australia here.

Rallies In Canberra

There will be a community rally at Parliament House at 3pm Sunday 23 May, and AJPP is also organising a rally at Parliament House at Noon on Wednesday 26 May. Please see and circulate the attached flyer. We hope you can attend either or both of these events to show how much support there is for Palestine and for bringing Israel to account for its criminal actions.

Please also see the APAN campaign to email MPs at the document attached. It's very easy and 15,000 have emailed so far, let's get to 30,000!

Don't miss this film at the Dendy on Friday 28 May at 7pm "MAYOR"

short summary:
The immersive documentary “Mayor,” directed by David Osit offers a compelling snapshot of Ramallah’s mayor, Musa Hadid, a deeply dedicated, proactive and accessible leader who has helped unite and uplift his beloved city.
Tickets here

Article - Israel Is Carrying Out Mass Murder, Aided and Abetted by the US - Pearls and Irritations by Chris Hedges, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and former Bureau Chief for the New York Times in the Middle East and in the Balkans.
We hope to see you at the rallies in Canberra.

for justice and peace
Kathryn Kelly

Posted by: Paul | May 20 2021 16:21 utc | 113

From the Canadian city of Calgary! Whose mayor is Naheed Nenshi, and he was elected prior to Sadiq Khan in London, who received so much attention for being the first Muslim mayor of a major Western city or whatever.

Covid in Calgary? As of early April, 'it's bad, really bad.'

That same week, Nenshi announces he won't run for a fourth term as mayor.

And in the navy... HMCS Calgary busts another drug ship in partnership with Combined Maritime Forces Bahrain, 'These busts are about cutting off the revenue streams of regional terrorists and criminals.' (probably means Hamas.)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 20 2021 16:25 utc | 114

I am watching the UN General Assembly on 'Ruptly' or RT. I am sickened by the number of countries deploying the 'two state' mantra as an excuse to do nothing. see my comment @30.

Media coverage is as usual:

Posted by: Paul | May 20 2021 16:52 utc | 115

Posted by: Paul | May 20 2021 16:52 utc | 116

Same here.

Even more sickening is the constant repetition by the European countries about israel's "right to defend itself".

The israeli mouthpiece is blathering his lies as usual, I've put it on silent until he's done. Probably the same fantastic reality distortion incantations anyway.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 20 2021 17:01 utc | 116

I'm listening, too, and I was surprised to hear so many reps commenting on the two-state solution. I didn't know how to interpret that: maybe it means to do nothing in some countries, but what about in Maldives and Tunisia?

The Israeli rep opened his statement by commenting on the unified stance against Israel that he heard from the others (which included the US and EU.) He made a comment about what steps would be taken if rockets were falling on Copenhagen or Paris. I think that's important: he could have chosen other cities to name. He also said Turkey is promoting anti-semitic tropes, and anti-semitism in general. Named Turkey specifically as an example.

This conflict is so dirty and covert at this point, that it doesn't lend itself to transperancy in open discussions,

Now to listen to the rep from Mexico....

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 20 2021 17:09 utc | 117

@96 truth be told

When you make shit up you open yourself up to being easily trashed by your opposition (the MSM etc.). There is so much shit on Begin there is no need to make shit up, and yes the quote specifically misrepresents what was meant in context.

Posted by: Roger | May 20 2021 17:34 utc | 118

My wonderful Canadian government seems to be bought and paid for by the Israelis, as well as supporting the Nazis in the Ukraine - and this is the country that birthed "humanitarian intervention" - a bunch of hypocritical unethical courtiers of the rich and powerful. Great episode of theAnalysis-news with Paul Jay on Canadian foreign policy.

Posted by: Roger | May 20 2021 17:39 utc | 119

Thanks Don Bacon, I'm aware of both.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 20 2021 17:49 utc | 120

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 20 2021 17:01 utc | 117

and Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 20 2021 17:09 utc | 118

Thanks for your replies,

Watching the UN GA Emergency Meeting and the pathetic circumlocution of the various countries representatives reminds me of a comment by the late Palestinian writer, Edward Said, something along the lines of, we have appealed to the worlds leaders for many years, let us instead take our case to the people.

I believe the people are thoroughly revolted by the Bandit State's lies and violence, now it's time for the people to change their corrupt and weak leadership if they fail to listen and act accordingly.

Posted by: Paul | May 20 2021 17:51 utc | 121

Paco @84--

Thanks for posting that link! I see the rest is now available on the English side of the MFA's website. I think it interesting these talks occurred so swiftly after Russia listed the Outlaw US Empire on its newly created "Hostile Nations" list, which also includes the Czech Republic, but oddly not the UK, and no others. Here's the link to Lavrov's Presser after meeting with Blinken in which Lavrov provides a short recap into the sorry state of relations and why.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2021 18:14 utc | 122

A couple of weeks ago one of the regulars posted a neat trick to bypass paywalls. It might have had something to do with the Wayback Machine's archived snapshots, but when I try that for a particular article at WSJ it doesn't work. Does anyone recall the tip or have any other suggestions?

Posted by: K_C_ | May 20 2021 18:22 utc | 123

to migueljose. I just posted a link from the same site - orinocotribune - which details the support given by various right wing govs in south america, for example Duque in the Izzy bombing in Gaza. Guido et al are included in this group, as are Lasso and Perez from ecuador and the Ukie-nazis who couped bolivia. They were aided by an Izzy company called SLC Strategies. Bolivians have been able to take their country back, but not ecuadorenos so far, alas. In fact, I believe I found that website due to you, so thanks.
I have just ordered a book called Texas:The Great Theft, by Carmen Boullosa. I'll give a review after a bit. She co-authored with Mike Wallace a book Called A Narco History, which follows the developement of the various drug cartels in Mexico - and their affect on mexican economy - intersting insight into the banking crisis of the '80s which was largely a Wall Street plunder operation. A flaw in the book is that although the mexican cartel leaders who came and went are shown with great detail - there are NO NAMES from the eeuu side, despite the fact that drugs were a megabillion dollar industry even in the 80s. So if the cartels were selling, who was buying? The time line brings us to Obrador who is looking very good indeed. I'm happy for mexico. Long time coming.
Back to Guido Gusano, economist Pasqualina Curcio from
venezuela estimated that the eeuu, et al has or stolen or frozen in total $350 billion from venezuela. Guido has his paws on many of those billions and still has "failed" miserably - because no one wants him! Go back to portugal buddy. I think that was a Ben Norton link. I'll look for it.. Possibly in an interview with Michael Hudson.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | May 20 2021 18:25 utc | 124

I mentioned Russia's new "Hostile Nations" list that was just published that includes the Outlaw US Empire. Today, likely in relation to the Pobeda Committee meeting I linked on the other thread, Putin made the following statement:

"Everyone is attempting to take a bite out us or bite something off us. But they should understand that we are going to kick them in their teeth [if they try to] so hard that they won't be able to bite anymore."

No further context was provided. After Putin's very cordial speech yesterday, this very strong rhetorical turn is rather surprising but not altogether unexpected. IMO, they're aimed at Biden's admin since the most recent "bites" out of Russian property were made by the Outlaw US Empire as Lavrov remined the world and Blinken yesterday.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2021 18:31 utc | 125

Re. paywalls

Posted by: K_C_ | May 20 2021 18:22 utc | 124

Try right-clicking and selecting "open link in new private window". Not sure if this works with every browser.

Posted by: farm ecologist | May 20 2021 18:40 utc | 126

Paul @ 111

And thank you for your reply.

I suspect everyone online. There is simply no way to establish bona fides in this medium. I am horrified by occasional responses indicating that some would trust me. Don’t do that.

Upthread a commenter who shall remain anonymous dropped a “dumb broad”. Same commenter has very frequently been astute, insightful, clever. He writes well enough. For which reason I will continue to read his offerings. But how to explain “dumb broad”? If exceedingly generous we might consider that many leftists here are older, no one is perfect, no one is perfectly politically correct or perfectly woke. I don’t believe that for a minute. That unfortunate remark may have just ‘slipped out’ but it slipped from the mind of a troglodyte. Or perhaps a redneck soldier parked in a cubicle farm.

Even eighty or ninety years ago in Hollywood, a character who said “dumb broad” was a villain. Why does that appear here? Should we blithely disregard?

Right now who owns everything that could be sold as an equity is Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street. And their ilk. The business page will tell you the money comes from pension funds and institutional investors. Hogwash. Both management and ownership is with the same small group of families. It is Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Warburgs, Wallenbergs, Stanleys, Spencer-Churchills. And it always has been.

Reminds me of a moment twenty-five years back when I was working in the home of a young lady in my bicycle club. She had a University of Chicago Ph.D. In Economics. And was somewhat underemployed in an investment firm working as a stock analyst, specializing in the auto industry. General Motors was in the news for one of their many crises. I said something about how GM was managed for dynastic purposes of DuPont family and they did not care about little ups and downs. She was stunned. Told me she had worked years before discovering the family stake in GM. She had told her boss about her discovery. He promptly told her to shut the door and sit down. Told her to never breathe a word of this to anyone. Yes, of course he knew, but this was closely held and never to be public. And never mention names of old families. She wanted to know how I knew the score. Told her it was because I was a leftist and we don’t believe the ‘publicly held’ BS.

Afraid most believe and spread the BS.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 20 2021 19:47 utc | 127

Posted by: farm ecologist | May 20 2021 18:40 utc | 127

Thanks for the suggestion. Apparently that trick doesn't work on WSJ. I found a couple of plugins that claim to be able to do it, but neither of them worked either. Guess WSJ got wise to that stuff. Not even mimicking Google's crawler/spider (or whatever) works anymore. :-(

Posted by: K_C_ | May 20 2021 20:15 utc | 128

@ Paul #83

It's  a long way
From Darkness to The Light. 

“As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’

Lucky those who were called.
Hell is waiting for dealers and pushers.

Israel unleashes airstrikes after vowing to press on in Gaza.
"German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas was expected in the region Thursday for talks with Israelis and Palestinians. Israel’s Foreign Ministry said the foreign ministers of Slovakia and the Czech Republic would join him after being invited “to express their solidarity and support” for Israel"

Posted by: Luke | May 20 2021 20:43 utc | 129

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2021 18:14 utc | 123

Thanks to you for posting the Pobeda meeting, I went to the original and searched for "bite -укусить“ and yes it is there, Kaliningrad and Kuril Islands come to mind, even though Putin talks about Siberia and how someone somewhere lamented how Russia has such an enormous piece of land all to herself, as if Canada were not enough... I have the perception that the official translations tend to be very formal and the original speech tends to be more colloquial, just like Lavrov's answer to the journalist question on the go.

Cimarrón is an untamed animal, or a fugitive slave, talking about the Arkansas river ;) and its affluents..

Posted by: Paco | May 20 2021 20:55 utc | 130

@Roger #62

The quote from Menachim Begin seems to be authentic and only a fool would rule it out based only on the word of the Begin Center. Below is the entire discussion from

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
The Begin Institute debunked this as the work of some French journalist. I can't remember the exact details but it's on their blog somewhere. There's no record in the Hebrew press of it and the language is so hilariously overblown, blatantly offensive, and out of line with Begin that it seems impossible. Sol Goldstone (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
See "Correcting A Misquotation Reputedly By Menachem Begin", Begin Center Diary, 27 May 2009. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
It is hard to believe that anyone, except a madman, would make a speech like that isn't it? The purported quote, of course, was originally published in the article written by Amnon Kapeliouk, Begin and the Beasts, which was published in the New Statesman on June 25 1982. According to an article by Franklin Lamb in Counter Currents magazine, the article was published 48 hours after the Knesset speech given by Begin which supposedly contained the quoted words. Lamb goes on to say, "His report was to activate the Boston based McCarthyite Zionist hate group, CAMERA to hound him until his death."
In answering a query about the genuineness of the quote, the Begin Center Diary uses this webpage and this CAMERA posting to answer. However, those two sources are not dealing with the quoted text, but another part of Kapeliouk's article (that is, the bit about two-legged beasts).
← ZScarpia 18:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the central point of the Begin Center Diary response is that the attribution cited as appearing in Kapeliouk's article in the New Statesman is not actually in that article. They then digress by discussing other controversial attributions in the New Statesman article, concluding that "someone invented the 'Master Race' quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility." Alas, an excess of digression criticizing the cited Kapeliouk piece somewhat obscures their central point: that the citation itself is bogus. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The Begin Center Diary does state that the Master Race quote doesn't appear in Kapeliouk's article. Franklin Lamb, though (assuming the CounterCurrents editors haven't taken liberties with his article), says it does. A pity that the New Statesman archives aren't online. ← ZScarpia 02:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)"

Posted by: Cosimo | May 20 2021 21:16 utc | 131

@ oldhippie | May 20 2021 19:47 utc | 128... thanks for that.. it bears repeating.. you never know who you are talking to here and elsewhere.. it is a fact of life!

Posted by: james | May 20 2021 21:24 utc | 132

Has Chinese GDP already surpassed the United States'? I only ask 'cos I've seen a graph from The Economist attached to a tweet showing that Chinese mobile payments exceeded 60 trillion dollars while in the US it less than 0.2 trillion dollars.
Then I found another graph that showed Chinese mobile payments in 2018 at 347 trillion yuan or over $48 trillion dollars according to the exchange attached to the graph. This tends to support the 2020 figure of in excess of $60 trillion.
Then I found another graph that showed that in 2018, 83% of transaction in China were made by mobile payments.
If total payments (cash, card and mobile) in China amount to about $70 trillion why is the GDP reported as about $15 billion in 2019. I'm not an economist so I have no idea how to calculate GDP but it seems to me that there is a serious case of underreporting of the Chinese GDP.
Anybody have any thoughts?

Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 20 2021 21:59 utc | 133


There is a foreign doctrine that has invaded and is establishing itself in scotland. It practises total information warfare against the people. And it is that doctrine that hopes to crucify Craig Murray.

Everywhere in Great Britain that you look you can see that doctrine promulgated. It is no less ubiquitous than the Union flag.

Craig Murray went against that doctrine, and it is for this that he must be raised on the cross.

Craig has explained his motivation many times. He learned of what had been done to Alex Salmond, and he did not like what he found. He decided to do something about it, and so became the one unique journalist who published to the world the case for the defence in real time. He did so with enormous success - those who read his reports expected Alex Salmond to be acquited, those who did not expected Salmond to go to gaol for the rest of his life. Only those who read Craig Murray could be said to be informed citizens.

After two days of reporting the case for the defence he was expelled and excluded from the court, and no explanation ever given.

Total information warfare.

Back to that doctrine so offended by the impertinence of Craig Murray. You see it displayed prominently every time a British Minister speaks to the public, because s/he speaks for the privy council. You see it prominent over the courts in England and Wales. You see it over the new civil service hub in Edinburgh. You do not (yet) see it outside the Scottish courts. It proclaims

Honi soit qui mal y pense

It means "Shame on him who thinks ill of it" in the archaic, and more realistically "It is you who is in trouble if you don't like what we do" in the contemporary.

Craig thought ill of what was done to Alex Salmond. He went against this IN SCOTLAND. He went against the total information warfare conducted by the privy council and provided honest information to the general public. He allowed us all to witness the poison and pus that oozes from every pore of the privy council and its servants. He is, in every sense of the word, a whistleblower.

We have seen a pattern develop over recent decades. A scandal in public life erupts, a whistleblower emerges to tell the truth and name the names. Then, after a long and confusing process producing much heat and very little light, the whistleblower ends up in prison and the criminals go free.

And so it goes with Craig. It is Craig who is in trouble, not the criminals.

After Julian, Craig is the last of the heroic whistleblowers.

We have let down so many brave souls who risk everything and get punished. Who will ever try to save us all again when they NEVER get support where it matters. What's the point?

Craig Murray is a red line for Scottish society.

Win OR Lose.

The judge, Lady Dorrian, appears to have gone crazy and has told at least two provable lies. Independent observers have detected a personal animosity within her judgements against Craig. Lady Dorrian's mistress is apparently very upset.

Judicial oath

“I, _________ , do swear by Almighty God that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second in the office of ________ , and I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will.”

This doctrine of Honi soit qui mal y pense has no place in Scottish life, and no roots in Scottish history. It is entirely English, and is the motto of the Order of the Garter in England. It represents a nation in which the king/queen is sovereign and not the people.

One of the persons who proclaims this doctrine is Prince William, a fully fledged Knight of the Garter since June 2008.

By happenstance William is to attend the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland commencing this weekend. Though he wears his Scottish guise as Earl of Strathearn he remains a Knight of the Garter. He is one of those hellbent on crucifying Craig Murray on nonsense charges. If he can do it to Craig Murray he can do it to any of us.

The Church of Scotland is the final defender of the lives and morals of the Scottish people. Under the Act of Union (1707) the church has real political power should it choose to use it. The Church of Scotland can provide sanctuary for Craig Murray and enquire of the Earl of Strathearn as to the grounds for imposing his doctrine in Scotland against all tradition and against all logic. It can do so this weekend.

It should do so.

Posted by: John Cleary | May 20 2021 22:21 utc | 134

The Nordstream 2 Pipeline under the Baltic will largely displace the Nordstream 1 Pipeline across Ukraine. Ukraine has turned that pipeline into a problem. It does not pay its bull for gas, and when Russia refuses delivery after failure of payment, Ukraine then steals gas sent over its territory to other countries that have paid for it, including Germany. Germany pays for gas, and then goes without.

Furthermore, the gas to Germany costs more, for transit fees to Ukraine. The customer pays the fees, not the seller, the same as with customs duties and other costs tacked onto a transaction.

Nordstream 2 is thus more reliable for Germany, and cheaper for Germany.

The loser is Ukraine, which loses transit fees and its bargaining position to demand cheaper gas than others pay as a condition of letting them use the pipeline.

Russia and Germany will be able to stop subsidy of Ukraine's confrontations with Russia. THAT is why American hawks are so upset about it.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | May 20 2021 22:47 utc | 135

@ John Cleary | May 20 2021 22:21 utc | 135.. thanks for the update... this vendetta against craig murray is infuriating... i have donated to his cause as well.. it perfectly encapsulates what is wrong in our world today..

Posted by: james | May 20 2021 22:59 utc | 136

Posted by: Miss Lacy | May 20 2021 18:25 utc | 125

Thanks for your post on Mexico and Latin America-- lots to digest there. I look forward to your book review on Mexico and agree that AMLO appears to be moving into a top tier along with Putin, Xi, Evo, Chavez along with others still rising: Lula, maybe Correa, Bolivia's Arce and hopefully, Peru's Castillo. More important is the masses who risked their lives, died, pushed and sacrificed, names unknown.
Regarding banksters, here's a link to a story about one bank that fabricated a special dropbox for the drug gangs to exbedite their deposits
I despise the big banks more than the cartels in the same way I despise the Democrats more than the Republicans. pompous hypocrites.

Posted by: migueljose | May 20 2021 23:08 utc | 137

Posted by oldhippie @128

Thanks again,

I agree, many online are not what they seem. I avoid fakebook as a site for troublemakers and a data collection agency, which is then used against the fools who give the information and data out.

I don't want to disclose my details here. It's complicated and personal.

I am also aware of various big banking companies acting as fronts. Witness the very
recent Archegos fiasco where billions were lost as a result of 'leverage'. The banks appeared to be the beneficial owners of shares but it was really Archegos.

For example a search for 'the top 20 shareholders' of a given company might tell us it is ********Bank or **** Bank but they are merely nominees. Archegos took the big banks to the cleaners.

The sinister and cashed up Blackrock have bought up big in Australian critical minerals companies which are essential for Green Energy.

Perhaps a German barfly can tell me about the billionaire Bannenberg family? I suspect they are about to make a MOTZA.

I never liked GM, I was a Studebaker man, now that's giving away my age. I remember Ralph Nader's book, 'Unsafe At Any Speed'. Ralph had kind words to say about Studebaker. They are still a big conglomerate making Western Star trucks and all kinds of other things like McCulloch chainsaws and Onan generators, unless that has changed since I last looked.

From your name I imagine you look like a character out of 'The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers' ?

Posted by: Paul | May 20 2021 23:40 utc | 138

Posted by: Luke | May 20 2021 20:43 utc | 130

Thanks Luke, life is indeed about the journey and not the destination.

Posted by: Paul | May 20 2021 23:46 utc | 139

Here are some interesting facts about Covid I didn't know:

Posted by: Paul | May 21 2021 0:25 utc | 140

Mr. Ghost Ship | May 20 2021 21:59 utc | 134

Yes, since 2014 in PPP terms.

Posted by: Fyi | May 21 2021 1:05 utc | 141

@ paul - if you are old enough to like studebackers, then that gives us a good guess at your age! thanks for your link @ 141..

Posted by: james | May 21 2021 1:17 utc | 142

livestream from gaza for anyone interested..

Posted by: james | May 21 2021 1:20 utc | 143

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 20 2021 17:09 utc | 118

I'm listening, too, and I was surprised to hear so many reps commenting on the two-state solution. I didn't know how to interpret that: maybe it means to do nothing in some countries, but what about in Maldives and Tunisia?

I've considered three possible reasons why Muslim majority countries would be pushing that line, though I'm not sure which is the real reason:

a) They're aware that a two state solution, with proper sovereignty would leave a Palestinian state holding all the aces and are offering a two-state solution as a poisoned chalice to the West.

b) They're aware the West will never accept a single state solution as it will effectively end the existence of the Anglo-American empire's main "enforcer" in the Levant.

So this is a compromise by degrees to maintain at least some good relations with the Anglo-American Empire ...

c) They have been so well deceived by the Zionist movement that they imagine the settler-colonials indeed do have some heritage and right to a part of Palestine.

I'm banking on a) ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 2:34 utc | 144

A Gaza ceasefire starts Friday. Good.

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 21 2021 2:47 utc | 145

Biden encourages privately owned big tech to censor the internet? Clearly big tech owns Biden or does Dictator Biden really intend to allow private monopoly-powered corporations to censor the internet.. ? Is internet censorship a crime against humanity? Basically allowing private corporations to censure the internet, privatizes the Internet. 100s of billions of federal money given to private corporations by a mere stroke of a pen.. Is this an end run around the first Amendment?

Posted by: snake | May 21 2021 3:11 utc | 146

The "Two state solution" plays the same role in Israel-related politics as "growth" and "progress" do in US politics: it justifies the current distopia with a future utopia. It is always for some future promised land we are supposed to sacrifice today, when it is not because of some imminent threat of extermination. There is no future promised land, and we ignore existential threats all the time as long as they are profitable. So we dngle the "two-state solution" in front of the Palestinians when we need to explain why they are not supposed to fight back.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 21 2021 3:30 utc | 147

@141 Paul

It may be an interesting thing that you linked but it deserved to be announced with trumpets. Allow me...


Godfree Roberts, who writes extensively on China, and whom I regard as the goto source for datapoints and numbers, has a new report published today that summarizes some of the clear knowledge regarding COVID-19. He shows quite easily, with numerous links to sources, that China may actually have been the LAST country to experience the virus.

The virus was in the USA earlier than it appeared in China.

His report is relatively brief, and doesn't go into the numerous avenues of questions that could be raised, but restricts itself to facts.

Who had Covid first?

Roberts presents a logical chain that quotes scientific findings to the effect that the coronavirus could have been circulating for years without detection - it is highly infectious but has a low mortality - but that the perfectionists in China just HAD to figure out what this unclassified virus was, and that's how it broke surface in the world view.

My sidebar here is that, to be fair, China has a compelling motivation to identify every virological threat to its country since it seems to be under continual attack anyway.

As I say, Roberts doesn't go into any of the multiple avenues of conjecture, he simply puts together some of the recorded facts.

He also shows how easily a mild rise in death count in the US could have passed unnoticed (or, in my thinking, been recorded as a severe flu season).

It's a 7-minute read, and one to bookmark as part of the reference library.

Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2021 3:38 utc | 148

@149 more...

I have thought from the beginning that the US would have preferred to ignore the coronavirus and let it go through the population unregarded and untreated, as with so many other poisons that the US populace absorbs and survives or dies from.

It was China and its hugely visible response that shamed the US, I think, into acknowledging the public health menace. That's how it has always felt to me, and I use the word "shamed" quite deliberately. It was a globally huge example of what the Demonstration Effect can do.

As we regard the numbers now - of which Roberts summarizes a few slices - it seems that the US could easily have ignored this health crisis, and perhaps no one would have been the wiser, at least at the level of the mainstream news.

This, to me, has always been the great irony of the situation - that the US populace could have led a more comfortable life, on balance, if it had continued to be lied to with regard to the coronavirus.

But once China threw a huge serving of truth and reality onto the table, the dysfunctional and compulsively lying governments of the west were in turn thrown into all kinds of paroxysms - none of them beneficial for the freedoms or health of their populations.

Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2021 3:43 utc | 149

@135 John Cleary

I wish I had words for this but at the moment I am speechless.

This is a hugely significant thing, both as an injustice of the first order and as a proof of a living history that affects even the US to this day, as many would claim.

Thank you as always for sharing this with us and please keep sharing here.

Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2021 3:47 utc | 150

A couple of days ago I made the comment in a post about the problems of buying into the antisemitism meme dragged out by zionists whenever zionism's crimes cop criticism, that if antisemitism weren't a political construct, then englander high profile zionists - gentile as well as jewish leaders wouldn't play around with stuff such as accusing Jeremy Corbyn, a long term opponent of racism in all its forms, of 'antisemitism'.
If antisemitism is indeed a major problem for jews they wouldn't be using it as a stick to beat someone who is clearly not an antisemite, just to gain political advantage. That would be playing with fire - running the risk of increasing racism against jews. I have no doubt that some arsehats and madmen do call out jews for 'being jewish' from time to time. Just as some arsehats and madmen used to call me out for being "too skinny", too tall, too short, the colour of my hair, or nowadays for being too fat.
That is vastly different from being segregated from education & employment, harrassed by police & other officials because of your race or beliefs. I doubt there have been instances of that discrimination against jews for a very long time.

Anyway I thought those attacks on Mr. Corbyn had ceased. He has been thrown out of the party which he and his supporters had re-invigorated lifting its membership from about 70,000 to nigh on a half million in the space of 18 months making it by far the largest political party by membership in europe. But No! the zionists are still at it.

Look at this image It is from the 2017 election campaign and shows Mr Corbyn campaigning as he always has stepping away from the minders & the entourage and communicating directly with fellow citizens - even when they have no vote. Both Mr Corbyn and the children are obviously enjoying themselves as he reads from a book called "We’re Going on a Bear Hunt" written by a bloke called Michael Rosen who also happens to be a jew.

I saw this article today which says in part:

"Northumbria University is urgently investigating one of its academics after a doctored image was shared from his Twitter account showing Jeremy Corbyn reading from the notorious antisemitic forgery The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The title had been superimposed on the Michael Rosen book We’re Going on a Bear Hunt, which Corbyn was actually reading from, with Rosen describing the image as “loathsome and antisemitic”.

Rosen, the Jewish children’s author and academic, responded to a tweet sent from the account of Northumbria University English literature lecturer and author Dr Pete Newbon on Wednesday morning. The original image is of the former Labour leader reading We’re Going on a Bear Hunt to some children. The doctored image still features Corbyn, but replaces the page from the book with the cover of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and includes the caption: “A nasty, horrible Zionist! We can’t go over him, we can’t go under him, we’ll have to make an effigy”, drawing on Rosen’s book’s famously singsong text."

The tweet was posted about 2 days ago, i.e. this week!
These zionists photoshop an image of the protocols of zion over a book by a jewish writer, but it is the others who suffer from judeophobia?

So zionists obviously regard antisemitism to be such a minor pea under the mattress that they continue to beat up false accusations & lies about people who are clearly not biased against any race of humans, in a lame attempt to distract from israel's current war crimes.
A despicable carry-on which slothrop repeats here at MoA.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 21 2021 5:26 utc | 151

Why not make Israel a state in USA or a protectorate? It would bring Israel under American jurisdiction, negating settlerism, and would ease territorial hostilities

Posted by: aaa | May 21 2021 5:56 utc | 152

Posted by: aaa | May 21 2021 5:56 utc | 153

>Why not make Israel a state in USA or a protectorate?

This is the de facto case.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 6:25 utc | 153

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 21 2021 5:26 utc | 152

A couple of days ago I made the comment in a post about the problems of buying into the antisemitism meme dragged out by zionists whenever zionism's crimes cop criticism ...

Can anyone explain why it's anti-semitic to denounce a European Jew, but not Anti-Semitic to denounce the Palestinian cause?

The Palestinians, unlike the Ashkenazi, European and Slavic jews are actually a 'semitic' people.

Seems to me Arabs of the Levant could themselves go wild with solid justification calling anyone anti-semitic for even the slightest criticism of their political cause ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 6:49 utc | 154

The spark lit by the Italian dockworkers of Livorno seems to be spreading:

Dockworkers in the South African port city of Durban have refused to off-load cargo from an Israeli ship on Friday in protest against Israel's offensive on the besieged Gaza Strip.

The South African BDS Coalition told Middle East Eye that dockworkers belonging to the South African Transport and Allied Workers Union (SATAWU) will not off-load the cargo from the Israeli vessel following a call from the Palestine General Federation of Trade Unions.

The decision comes just days after similar action was taken by dockworkers in the Italian city of Livorno, who refused to load an arms shipment to a ship belonging to the same Israeli company, Zim Integrated Shipping.

I think the israelis will need to factor yet another logistics risk into their insurance calculations going forward. The cost of business just went up ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 7:03 utc | 155

thanks for that good news, Arch Bungle #156

that's real international solidarity


a unilateral ceasefire has now gone into effect. a big defeat for the racist apartheid state.....

The "Sword" of Jerusalem" prevailed over The “Guardian of the Walls”.

The final word was for #Gaza: an unconditional cease-fire unilaterally declared by the aggressor, #Israel, who (supposedly) agreed to stop its ethnic cleansing in #Jerusalem.

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 21 2021 7:07 utc | 156

Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2021 3:43 utc | 150

and Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2021 3:43 utc | 150

Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed the article, the conclusions are political dynamite because they challenges the narrative.

John Menadue's free emails contain a wealth of geopolitical information, I suggest barflies subscribe.

I tried to post a considered response but was timed out. What refresh button? Where?

More later, things to do.

Posted by: Paul | May 21 2021 7:16 utc | 157

@ Paul & James
If you are still there...

You don't need to be THAT old to love your Studebaker.
We run them again and again.
[mine is a Chrysler NewYorker 70, 440 ci, electric blue. I need my own NS3😅]. My first car was a 66 Renault R4 [≈44ci 😁]
As Paul said : life is all about the journey.

Don't look to much about who's who. Meet or chat as everyone is in a good mood. Communication is a journey. For both sides

I will search for your questions

Posted by: Luke | May 21 2021 7:20 utc | 158

It's friday evening here & I've managed to climb outside of a couple of scotches after finishing my friday afternoon 'rounds' (why is it that a fair chunk of older people seem like they'll never get email. I've been fixing the same pop & smtp settings for the same people for decades.)
I thought I would share with y'all what I've been relaxing to this week The Unthanks - Songs From The Shipyards amazingly potent moving music written when shipyards in the Northumbria & Scotland rang with the sounds of thousands of hammers, torches & riveters.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 21 2021 7:30 utc | 159

@ michaelj72, Arch Bungle, Bemildred, Paul...

From the river to the see, Palestine will be free.

Hamas celebrates truce 'victory,' warns of future resistance against Israel.

On Izi's MSM

All is about journey. Today will be another Friday at al-Ḥaram aš-Šarīf / al-Aqsa. A sacred compound, Qubbat Aṣ-ṢakhraṨ is the place of the Night Journey of the prophet Muhammad. For Palestinian, due to checkpoints and settlers, to pray al-Aqsa could be a whole day journey. Even from Bethlehem.

Apartheid and Boycott are gaining visibility even on MSM.

Posted by: Luke | May 21 2021 8:11 utc | 160

Russian Military Recruitment Video Embraces Dark Side

The Calling

Compare the New Woke U.S. Army Ad to a Russian Army Ad and Pray for the West

The Army disabled comments on new recruiting commercials amid criticism it’s too ‘woke’

Move Over, CIA! US Army Rolls Out Its Own 'Woke' Recruitment Ad

Now the U.S. Army? Force puts out call for soldiers in a woke recruitment ad featuring lesbians at a gay wedding and an LGBTQ pride march after CIA's 'cisgender millennial with anxiety disorder' campaign was panned

Posted by: Mao | May 21 2021 8:21 utc | 161

Christian J. Chuba #5

Xerxes had similar problems. Those outlying satraps would simply not obey his commands and he sent punishment brigades here and there to instill order. They no sooner left than disorder and refusal to send tithes to Persia started again.

So the USAi has had its empire white anted (no pun intended) by these recalcitrant subjects.

So what is a empire president to do? I would dig in to Hunter's stash and bide my time.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 21 2021 8:49 utc | 162

snake #101

Rule of law cannot overrule or violate the IVth amendment without trashing the entire constitution because the bill of rights are preconditions to the ratification and continuation of the constitution. IANAL so this is my interpretation.

Thank you, but as I observe the application rule of law in the USAi, it has pretty well trashed your constitution most foully.

The only recourse id the Congress and I observe that the rule of global capitalist bondage has captured that establishment. Look at the current squad of 'change-makers'. And vomit at their self serving, abject cowardice.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 21 2021 8:56 utc | 163

Hydrogen: Just have a think.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 21 2021 9:25 utc | 164

Kentaro Miura, author of dark fantasy "Berserk" manga, dies at 54 year old.

I love this guy's works and his influence on pop culture. Dying at 54 is a bit too young for a japanese, and Berserk is still unfinished, RIP.

Posted by: Smith | May 21 2021 9:28 utc | 165

james @ 144

livestream from gaza for anyone interested

Did you ever watch Andy Warhol's film, Sleep? (It's like 5 or 6 hours of some dude sleeping)

No? I didn't either, but I'm relieved that this cycle of war in Gaza has fallen silent, excepting the celebrations, and that all those traumatized children maybe got in a few hours early this morning. I don't know how the sandman manifests in Palestinian culture, no doubt via mom's soft incantations, but in that land of dreams he for sure has his work cut out for him.

Posted by: john | May 21 2021 9:43 utc | 166

@157 michaelj72

"The unconditional ceasefire was proposed by Israel and accepted by Hamas".
There is no mention to Jerusalem or Sheikh Jarrah. Israel denied that they gave to Osama Hamdan any garantee on this while two days ago it was an Hamas pre-condition.

Of course both side will chant victory, but I smell this round to be more like the 'Divine Victory'. Since 2006 the lebanese border is a model of quiet. The some rockets fired there were a PR joke (3 in the sea, one in the brush, one intercepted the rest fell in Liban).

Seems that Hamas has lost its underground facilities, all its lead engeneers, its production sites. Hmas may denied this, but fact is that last rocket on Tel Aviv is from Sunday 16/05. The heavy multi barrels launchers are all gone. There was never any evidence hit of those rockets with 240 kg warhead, even less those of 400kg. All villa from all leaders than went on hiding are leveled to the ground. So those who came out alive from hidding in the tunnels won't have an home to go back.

We need time to assess what really happened, discards propaganda claims of both side and stick to the facts.

Posted by: murgen23 | May 21 2021 9:46 utc | 167

Posted by: murgen23 | May 21 2021 9:46 utc | 168

Seems that Hamas has lost its underground facilities, all its lead engeneers, its production sites.
We need time to assess what really happened, discards propaganda claims of both side and stick to the facts.

I agree that the fog of war lies thick on the ground.

Now, if we are to "stick to the facts" let's begin with taking a skeptical view of israeli claims about having uprooted Hamas' tunnels, wild speculations about having destroyed their lead engineers (whom nobody even knows the identities of for sure) and likely false notions of having destroyed 'production sites', which are always locations in flux, emerging and dissolving into the ground of resistance as is the practice in guerrilla warfare.

20 years ago I heard Bibi, Olmert and Ariel Sharon going on about having uprooted Hamas' smuggling tunnels on both the Egyptian side and every other side.

They sounded so convincing, so confident.

They lied.

And again, barely the dust has settled yet they're sure they've wiped out the resistance tunnels for all time.

I don't think the israeli leadership knows the difference between resistance tunnels, sewers, artificial acquifers, commercial smuggling tunnels, infrastructure tunnels and anything that might resemble such things.

Neither do they seem to mention that not everything that is a threat comes out of a tunnel ... sometimes it's just a very big hole.

Frankly, I don't think much has been done to Hamas tunnels, though the smugglers may have some work on their hands.

At least this data point suggests there is some very functional tunnel infrastructure in place on the 18th:

(video released by the Al Qassam Brigades on the 18th in response to claims about the tunnels being destroyed)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 11:01 utc | 168

All previous agreements with Israel have been broken by them. Always by the same means/people; by Settlers and the dubious lawfare being written into Israels' "Laws" that backs them up.

The real solution will never be the "two" state one, because it is already in force. Whereby the Palestinians are subject to separate military courts, The Israelis to a civil court where the Israeli-Arabs are subject to discrimination (Maybe that makes three?)

However it is super to see an end to the outright fighting.

It ended probably because Israel ran out of ammunition. No more Iron dome.

What is magnificent is the massive solidarity being expressed all over the world - and NOT just by Muslims. This wasn't a religious war, but the reaction is against naked brutality. (In spite of Netanyahu trying to eliminate journalists and their means of communication, by bombing the AP building.)

Maybe confining people over Covid has let them become more aware of what it would be like in Gaza?

Posted by: Stonebird | May 21 2021 11:28 utc | 169

Posted by: Stonebird | May 21 2021 11:28 utc | 170

It ended probably because Israel ran out of ammunition. No more Iron dome.

My money's on this and not only ammunition but replacement parts.

In the end the Iron Dome is a prototype.

The best rocket defense in the world tested against the worst rockets in the world.

Prototypes fail more than they work.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 11:35 utc | 170

@169 Totaly agree on the cliams "we destroyed them all". I remember during the Kosao war, NATO asserted that the serbs panzer division were annihilated. But after the cease fire, long columns of the annihiated tanks left their forests by their own and went home.

In this war, fact tells us that after 11 days we have 1 israely soldier dead, 2 wounded. No carcasses of tanks, no plane or hellicoters downed not even a drone ruin to display. 45OO rockets fired translated in 12 deads. If i stick to the facts, seems hamas got a nasty beating on the ground.

Political emotion, a clear victory, but if this does not translate in West/US action then it is a "sword strike into water".

What is for sure, is that Gazan inhabitants will be more miserable. Cement and pipes won't be allowed for long. Electricity already restricted to 5 hours a day will be even more be scarce, providing that the bill is paid. Liban is even in more dire prospect : reserve runs out this 22 June and nothing else in sight, the turks are leaving after 18 months not paid.

In respect of the the terms of this cease fire, I just read that Palestinian representative at UN is not happy with the terms - though hamas accepted it - for it does not include Jerusalem. The fate of the expulsions at Sheikh Jarrah will tell us who really begged for the cease fire.

Posted by: murgen23 | May 21 2021 11:45 utc | 171

Mao @May21 8:21 #162

'Woke' is the new holy war. These 'woke' soldiers bleed rainbows (where 'rainbows' = sympathetic media).

Onward Christian'woke' soldiers.


Cold War I Mission: Make the world safe for democracy!

Cold War II Mission: Demonize our unwoke enemies!

YWMMV (Your Woke Mileage May Vary)


Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 21 2021 12:20 utc | 172

I see that Biden wants to meet Putin but so far Putin has not accepted and then I see this.

Putin to meet Musk? Months after entrepreneur proposed chat with Russian President, Kremlin reveals ‘hope’ that plans can be made

Wouldn't it be quite something if Putin agreed to a meeting with Musk but turned down one with Biden. That would raise a lot of eyebrows.

Posted by: arby | May 21 2021 13:07 utc | 173

@ Posted by: murgen23 | May 21 2021 9:46 utc | 168

Seems that Hamas has lost its underground facilities, all its lead engeneers, its production sites. Hmas may denied this, but fact is that last rocket on Tel Aviv is from Sunday 16/05. The heavy multi barrels launchers are all gone. There was never any evidence hit of those rockets with 240 kg warhead, even less those of 400kg. All villa from all leaders than went on hiding are leveled to the ground. So those who came out alive from hidding in the tunnels won't have an home to go back.

We need time to assess what really happened, discards propaganda claims of both side and stick to the facts.

Give us the source for this information and we'll discuss it. No drama. But we need the source(s).

Posted by: vk | May 21 2021 13:08 utc | 174

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 11:01 utc | 169

Yes, well said.

Destroying tunnels has been a popular Israeli displacment activity when bombing Gaza for some time now. They do it because they have no real military "targets", and bombing apartment blocks - satifying though it is for them - is terrible PR, and politically they can't do nothing. They are like the US that way, they have an ideological commitment to being aggressive.

Nobody has gained anything military in this war. It was military theater on both sides. Though as others have said no doubt they are both low on ammo.

I think the Izzies have done themselves no favors with their belligerent brutality though.

Posted by: Bemidred | May 21 2021 13:18 utc | 175

After a "first" round, Israel hit the AP (Media) Building and from then on did it's best to destroy the civilian infrastructure.

Post offices, Banks, schools/kindergarden (and a mosque). Houses, libraries, Clinics. High rise buildings and shops and private houses etc. Anything "Official" that could be used by a future Government.
What the street level bombing did was to cut off the hospital from access by road and cut subterranean water, drainage, and electricity systems. They also have a "thing" about using sh** on civilians (Skunk water) plus other disgusting habits to poison others - which is what is happeneing again within Jerusalem at the moment.

The principal damage was to the Gazan populations' resources - not Hamas who would have already been prepared for the IAF raids and bombing.

Longterm deprivation and oppression were the aim, not a sideline


I remember the Serbs used electric toasters and heaters as decoys for heat seeking missiles.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 21 2021 13:42 utc | 176


Posted by: john | May 21 2021 13:44 utc | 177

Blue delusion:

The Blue Welfare State: With its new budget proposal, California could be poised to go down the social-democratic route taken by most Western democracies three-quarters of a century ago, Sasha Abramsky

I admire the optimism, but there comes a point where people stop being fooled. I understand the fascination of the Western Left with post-war social-democracy, but everything has a deadline: social-democracy has been dead for more than 30 years and its remaining ideologues still refuse to recognize its unstable nature.

This is getting ridiculous, if not outright a cheap reactionary pro-capitalist propaganda line. Social-democracy is not coming back.


Palestinians celebrate victory, Israelis mourn 'embarrassing' ceasefire

They're declaring victory.

Posted by: vk | May 21 2021 13:57 utc | 178

Grieved @149

I agree that it certainly looks like the novel coronavirus was circulating in the US well before the Chinese discovered it in Wuhan in 2020. The way the virus made its debut in China, on the other hand, does not at all suggest a natural spread from infected areas. The virus exploded onto the scene in China with tens of thousands infected in short order but only in Wuhan and nowhere else in China!. While the Chinese have been able to track every subsequent outbreak back to Patient Zero and even to the individual cargo containers that the infected workers were infected in, they were never able to identify a Patient Zero in Wuhan. In Wuhan the virus appeared out of the blue with no identifiable natural source and infected thousands all at once.

This still points to the virus having been deliberately seeded around China's top transportation nexus prior to the Chinese New Year vacation and travel period. This would have been much less obvious if the Chinese had been slower to react by a week and the virus had a chance to spread across the country.

My original argument was that the novel coronavirus was a bio attack by the US in order to gain advantage in America's trade war. The virus being in circulation in the US prior to it showing up in Wuhan doesn't disprove that argument but rather just adds additional motivation for the US to initiate the attack. In the domestic biohazard leak scenario the US now must act quickly to obfuscate the origin of the virus and throw suspicion on its "enemies". For that to be believable the virus had to become widespread in China before it was identified in the US. China's quick response not only saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives but it radically complicated efforts to displace suspicion.

There are those who would argue "But nobody would use a bioweapon that they didn't have a vaccine for!". It is said that military-linked Moderna was incredibly quick in developing a vaccine:

But perhaps more remarkable is that Moderna designed its vaccine in just two days in January, before some people had even heard of the coronavirus.

How about they already had the vaccine and just pretended to have developed it so quickly?

It's getting difficult to maintain the fiction about the novel coronavirus. Senator Kennedy asks the CDC to report on any "gain of function" virus research in the US or financed by the US. He wouldn't have asked that if he didn't already have a good idea of the answer.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 21 2021 14:14 utc | 179

Posted by: murgen23 | May 21 2021 11:45 utc | 172

If i stick to the facts, seems hamas got a nasty beating on the ground.

What's new? How is this 'fact' relevant?
It's the cost of taking the jackboot off their necks and they're willing to pay it.

It's a choice between death without a fight or taking their chances.

If Hamas knows anything, it's how to take a nasty beating - that's no surprise to them and serves as no deterrent.

Bear in mind that Hamas ranks are filled with men who were mere children when they first saw the IDF blow their families to bits.

Normal concepts of deterrent and defeat don't register with them.

What is for sure, is that Gazan inhabitants will be more miserable.

No more miserable than they've been for many decades.
Have you seen the celebrations in the streets?
Something has become more important to them than their misery.

The "misery" bus left the station long ago .. this fight is about far more than "misery".

Cement and pipes won't be allowed for long. Electricity already restricted to 5 hours a day will be even more be scarce, providing that the bill is paid. Liban is even in more dire prospect : reserve runs out this 22 June and nothing else in sight, the turks are leaving after 18 months not paid.

This is nothing new. If I recall, cement and pipes was 'banned' since 2014. But evidently the ban has not prevented the influx of cement. Hamas is resourceful.

In fact this time cement and pipes *will* be allowed in by the Egyptian and they will not allow israel to prevent reconstruction.

The bills will certainly be paid, israel's actions has resulted in massive contributions from the global Muslim community.

Even if a fraction of it makes it to Gaza, it will be millions.

In the meantime, Iran, Turkey and others have seen in Hamas an effective fighting force that can be used as a damocles sword against israel.

Any Arab power that wishes to control the levers of power in the Levant and supplant israel would be wise to court Hamas ...

The fate of the expulsions at Sheikh Jarrah will tell us who really begged for the cease fire.

Maybe. Maybe not.

The truth will play out in a short while but what is certain is this:

"As Goes Gaza, so goes the World"

We are all Palestinians now.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 14:19 utc | 180

to add to what Arch Bungle (May 21 2021 14:19 utc | 181) said:

Let's also consider the Israeli perspective:

1. Israel didn't defeat Hamas. Israel blew up a lot of stuff and caused immense damage to civilian infrastructure (as per usual and per intention), and scored some cheap victories by blowing up the homes of senior Hamas leaders, but Hamas remains intact.

2. Hamas has demonstrated that Iron Dome isn't nearly as reliable as Israel has been bragging all these years.

3. Hamas has demonstrated itself capable of now hurling rockets at Tel Aviv, not just short-range targets like Ashkelon.

4. Everything is in place for another Israel vs. Gaza war at some point in the future, and the trend indicates that results could be even worse for Israel.

Some reports indicate that the Israeli mood is one of disappointment, if not outraged humiliation. This would be more than understandable.

Posted by: corvo | May 21 2021 14:45 utc | 181

Britain is currently helping to train and develop Palestinian security forces in the Israeli-occupied West Bank in an effort to prevent the “potential overspill of violence into Israel,” an investigation by Declassified UK has revealed.

The Capability, Accountability, Sustainability and Inclusivity Programme aims to provide the Palestinian Authority security forces with support and training in order to make them “more capable” when dealing with “threats to Israel originating in the West Bank”. The promotion of “security cooperation with Israel” is also an objective.

Based in part on records and statistics obtained by a freedom of information request, the investigation discovered that the programme cost British taxpayers £3.3 million last year. This followed the £2.3 million that the Ministry of Defence was allocated in 2017-18 for its “British Support Team” based in the West Bank city of Ramallah

There are always turncoats.
Next question ? The future of Abbass and his lot (PLO). They help Israeli oppression, not the Palestinians. When Abbass cancelled the elections to "save" his position, this was also one of the key factors determining the reaction of Hamas. As they were under pressure before the outbreak of hostilities, ie. IDF arresting potential candidates from Hamas and "discrete threatening visits at night" to others. The Sheik Jarrah thefts, cancellation of elections to please Israel, and Al Aqsa intrusions, put together were designed to exclude any other "future negotiating partner" that had not previously become subservient to the Pharisees,(in the US, UK and Israel) ie. Hamas saw the endgame didn't include any improvement in the situation. Only the corrupt would be kept on as "speaking" for the Palestinians".

Now, who are Blinken and the others going to talk to when they visit Israel and wish to pretend to be neutral and have "empathy" for the Palstinians? - it sure ain't going to be Hamas.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 21 2021 15:48 utc | 182

Biden relented since the last segment of the pipeline in Germany had been given the go-ahead.

It is nearly complete, and the sanctions make no difference.

Posted by: Les | May 21 2021 16:13 utc | 183

@ Luke | May 21 2021 7:20 utc | 159.. thanks luke! and yes to your spirit!!

@ john | May 21 2021 9:43 utc | 167 - never watched that flick, but at present the livestream from gaza is much the same which as you say - is a good thing!

@ 180 william gruff.. thanks... all valid and, i hate to say it - in line with my speculation here as well...

Posted by: james | May 21 2021 16:17 utc | 184

Thanks for the link Karlofi @123. In Lavrov's comments, he said that Russia will 'not be found wanting.' I thought that was a curious phrase to use, so I looked up it's origins. It appears in the King James version of the Bible, Daniel 5:27 'Thou are weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.' A sly reference to strategic stability?

He also mentioned that the US seized Russian diplomatic property in the US in 'what was in effect corporate raids.' I thought he might be suggesting that a corporate sponsor or donor was behind that move from the Obama era.

Re: comments 153 & 154: see the state of Michigan. Canadian paranoia alert, but the Israelis are after a Great Lake. Lake Michigan is the only one entirely in the US.

Arch Bungle @118 - thanks for your comments. After viewing the UN meeting, I agree with you on believing that it's option A. The reps that I mentioned, among others, just didn't seem drunk on the kool-aid to me.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 21 2021 16:30 utc | 185

Me and my big mouth can't resist so I'll swallow this hook (maybe the bait was a carrot? I actually hate carrots): too many assumptions and ridiculous notions to be taken seriously, I can only hope Godfree Roberts had some kind of brain fart when he wrote that.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong about where or when but I am saying the arguments he uses are nonsense and that based on his article he has no reason to conclude anything at all (and that is after all what most attempts at anything end up as, nothing wrong about admitting "no conclusive result").

Why did he feel the need to repeat the same kind of bullshit that has been peddled for so long by so many?

Linear extrapolation reversed for a mutating agent whose behavior is not well understood? Wow & lol XD

Thank you Godfree for making me feel like less of a failure :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 21 2021 17:31 utc | 186

John Cleary @135--

It appears to be Enclosure all over again; this time the mind and reasoning are targeted. If you don't like what they're doing, they'll simply write an ordinance and kill you, as was done quite often from the Elizabethan Age onward. Those ordinances and the associated Terror finally spawned the Revolution that Cromwell co-opted and the UK has yet to free itself from. Yes, the stakes are quite high, and the new Terror is lurking ready to be employed.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2021 17:41 utc | 187

Or maybe I should "only" blame him for listening to an idiot:

"For instance, the uncertainty on the death toll for ‘flu during only the 6-months winter season is as high as 38,000 deaths–so it would have taken a long time for an extra 100,000 deaths to raise a red flag as a confirmed anomaly."
I mean how little does his friend have to know to think this is true? Neither of them have obviously never ever read any of the (sometimes seasonal) weekly flu monitoring reports that are so common across most of the world.

Utterly clueless idiots pandering to their own bias.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 21 2021 17:46 utc | 188

@188 karlof1 & John Cleary

Yes, this whole Scottish episode, with the Assange treatment extended now to Murray - and all combined with the hideous oppression still ongoing from the coronavirus - England is a hard place now.

I have strong ties to England, and what has become clear to me is that what we see there now on the surface, was always there.

Many of us grew up in the Cold War, when for a brief time the hardness of the rulership of both England and the US was hidden, and we had a socialized inheritance for a time. Personally, I'm glad to have had that brief respite from all the ages-long pain that the rulers have visited on the ordinary people. No one can tell me now that it's not possible for all people everywhere.

And now the gloves have come off. This is good, because the scales will also fall away from the eyes of the oppressed people. In Gaza, they have always known who the enemy was.

We are all Palestinians now. That's what the rulers want from all of us now.

Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2021 17:57 utc | 189

@160 Debsisdead

Thanks for the Unthanks. 31 minutes into it so far. Wonderful music.

That link again:

The Unthanks - Songs From The Shipyards (2012)

Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2021 18:01 utc | 190

@180 William Gruff

I agree.

It was China's response that changed the whole game - whatever the game was thought to be (and perhaps different factions might have had different games).

I think that the situation is the west must be quite layered and nuanced. And that China cut through all of it with a military-humanistic response that changed more paradigms in the world than one can easily count.

While China acted with consummate clarity, the west now flounders in all of its confusions.

Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2021 18:08 utc | 191

@ 160 debs... thanks for the music.. it's quite beautiful... i love the grooves in 3/4 and piano driven too.. thanks @ grieved as i missed this earlier.. i regret to say, am just not reading all the posts.. your drawing attention to certain posts is very helpful.. thanks..

@190 grieved quote - "We are all Palestinians now. That's what the rulers want from all of us now." yes, that appears the case...

Posted by: james | May 21 2021 18:18 utc | 192

for music lovers, here are some friends of mine who released a recording recently.. some might enjoy it.. debs link made me think of sharing it..

All the Little Things You Do · Rebecca Hennessy

Posted by: james | May 21 2021 18:21 utc | 193

Grieved @190--

Thanks for your reply! There's a Diabolical in-play that I've hinted at over the past months; but thanks to the death of my Father-in-Law at the hands of a for-profit hospital and his funeral, I've gained further clarity into its nature that I'll expand upon after I return home next week. The simple point is the 1% profits from deaths of all sorts and generally cares not for the living unless they advance an interest of theirs. SciFi has often explored that point, Soylent Green being perhaps the best known. A great wealth of written material exists produced by those who fought for Freedom from Empire whose arguments are just as valid today as 400+ years ago. Few are aware of them, but that doesn't mean they can't be reworked and employed.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2021 18:33 utc | 194

An example of the latest move in the War Against People by The Anti-Humans in charge of state governments within the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2021 19:16 utc | 195

Meanwhile in Canada

“ Please note info around the consent for vaccination has been updated. Youth aged 12+ can consent to immunization on their own behalf provided they understand the benefits and risks of vaccination. As with any other medical appointment, we encourage family discussion.”

Posted by: DG | May 21 2021 19:44 utc | 196

I would have thought that Israel's strategic defeat in Gaza would have provoked some comment by now. Apparently not. People are too interested in US issues. Or they're waiting for b's piece on the subject.

It's quite a significant defeat.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 21 2021 19:48 utc | 197

Our friend Kit Klarenberg writes about the recent exposure of NED and Foreign Office involvement in the Belarus Coup Attempt and links the combined efforts of the UK and Outlaw US Empire in the affair. I greatly applaud his efforts!!

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2021 19:50 utc | 198

I have at last found time to read the article; @abee at 102 on Gas.
It becomes very clear why Israel and the major gas companies are treating the Palestinians in the way that they do.

So how much has that ALSO got to do with the Gas (energy) lobby in the States? NordStreamII, Ukraine or stealing Oil from Syria are all linked by the US's stated desire to control ALL the energy sources in the world. (If their money is no good then this would be the substitute)

The US/Russian "rapprochement", by trying to be minimally nice to the latter, probabaly has undercurrents of opening their energy resources to "foreign" investment. That way they can hope to control and finance any "regime" change" from the interior, while making a buck or bitcoin.


The truce in Palestine won't hold. the IDF are already occopying Al Aqsa Mosque and setting up checkpoints in the West Bank. 90+% of the arrests for violence in the inter-ethnic revolt are "Arabic". Discrimination continues at every level, it seems.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 21 2021 20:14 utc | 200

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