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May 19, 2021

Open Thread 2021-038

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Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2021 14:19 utc | 181

We are all Palestinians now.

And yet you don't show much empathy for the countless new hardships Palestinians will be facing following the latest violent onslaught. I find your are rather quick to dismiss murgen's list of Israeli crimes against the people of Gaza and a little too eager to see victory where all there is rubble.

It's a bit sad that where one should see hundreds of destroyed homes in an enclave already suffering from severe housing crisis and materials shortage, you see opportunities for generous donations and providence.

In fact this time cement and pipes *will* be allowed in by the Egyptian and they will not allow israel to prevent reconstruction.

Do you know this for a fact or are the asterisks some jedi trick to will a favourable outcome upon the Palestinians?

No more miserable than they've been for many decades.
Have you seen the celebrations in the streets?
Something has become more important to them than their misery.

I'm going to guess that you haven't considered the possibility that survivors of a two week, fish in a barrel shootout, would be celebrating the end of hostilities and not some presumed ass whipping of the aggressor.

To be honest, I find wishful revisionism to be in poor taste.

Posted by: robin | May 21 2021 20:19 utc | 201

Posted by: corvo | May 21 2021 14:45 utc | 182

Let's also consider the Israeli perspective:

1. Israel didn't defeat Hamas. Israel blew up a lot of stuff and caused immense damage to civilian infrastructure (as per usual and per intention), and scored some cheap victories by blowing up the homes of senior Hamas leaders, but Hamas remains intact.


From Israel's perspective, this is a gain. By crushing the very people it has dispossessed, and at little political cost, it has weakened their economic and political clout and reduced the risk of having to face justice for its original and ongoing crimes. As it stands today, there is no Palestinian lobby to pressure Western enablers.

Hamas is a well established brand with an irredeemable public image in the West. As long as it is in Gaza, any and every act of belligerence against the enclave are justified. This will continue to be true for as long as Israel and the West hold the narrative high ground.

2. Hamas has demonstrated that Iron Dome isn't nearly as reliable as Israel has been bragging all these years.

3. Hamas has demonstrated itself capable of now hurling rockets at Tel Aviv, not just short-range targets like Ashkelon.


As murgen23 suggests @ 72, sheer numbers of rockets fired isn't a measure of success as would be the number of hits.

4. Everything is in place for another Israel vs. Gaza war at some point in the future, and the trend indicates that results could be even worse for Israel.

This would be disastrous for all Palestinians. I hope you can see that.

Posted by: robin | May 21 2021 20:21 utc | 202

Israeli policy with regard to Palestine doesn't have much to do energy, more with water.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 21 2021 20:29 utc | 203

Posted by Debsisdead @152

Kia ora, e hoa,

Your comment jumped out of cyberspace to to me.

you won't be surprised to know Theodore Herzl was the world's first political photoshopper:

https://middleeastrealitycheck.blogspot.com/2008/07/theodor-herzl-first-photoshopper.html

Enjoy and savour.

I'll reply to others later.

Posted by: Paul | May 21 2021 20:31 utc | 204

@ laguerre... thanks for your posts and nice to see you back at moa..

Posted by: james | May 21 2021 22:25 utc | 205

Hasbara troll team are active here pumping yet another faux interpretation of the crime against humanity waged by Israel and even citing establishment hasbara press as their source. I note some even get the welcome mat rolled out for them.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2021 0:15 utc | 206

Posted By Grieved 149 & 150

Further to my earlier truncated reply.

The Godfree Roberts article is indeed an eye opener It deserves a wider audience:

Who had Covid first?

Covid may well have been in circulation years earlier. On a personal note, I was visiting SE Asia in 2018, I suddenly developed a flu like illness. My wife helped me hobble to a very well equiped private clinic with a few beds and excellent staff. I was put on oxygen and a drug cocktail for a week, then I went back to the hotel and continued with the drugs. I was lucky the clinic was mainly for foreign businessmen.

Months later I was admitted to a hospital in an Anglo 5 eyes country on an unrelated matter. I was given a private room and staff only approached me in full PPE. No one told me why. The Roberts article now becomes relevant.

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 0:20 utc | 207

Bitcoin blues continue in the USA, home of the hustle.

From Wall Street On Parade:~

This approach from Treasury is like putting a Disney Princess band aide on a rattlesnake bite and hoping the poison doesn’t kill the patient.

Elon Musk, the billionaire CEO of Tesla, used $1.5 billion of corporate cash in January to buy Bitcoin as a Tesla asset. In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Tesla wrote that the action came with the approval of its Audit Committee.

Then you have Morgan Stanley, which has one of the largest fleets of retail brokers on the planet, announcing in its own SEC filings that it plans to stuff Bitcoin futures in its mutual funds and an annuity product for retirees.

Bitcoin is an enigma shrouded in both mystery and darkness. Its creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, is a fictitious character. When we asked the CME exchange that trades Bitcoin futures yesterday to give us a list of the 10 largest traders in Bitcoin futures contracts on Wednesday, the day of the crash, we were told: “we do not make client trading information available to the public.” Exchanges are supposed to police the trading of their members. The CME apparently views these giant hedge funds and Wall Street trading houses as “clients” who need to be shielded from public scrutiny.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2021 0:40 utc | 208

Continued from @ 208

The Roberts article has geopolitical implications.https://johnmenadue.com/who-had-covid-first/

Following Trump's bellicose public rebuke of China setting out his wish list; send his hand picked snoops with 'weapons inspectors' powers to China. The Trump dream team was not to have WHO members, The findings would be presented to a US court. When the court found against China, forgetting about 'sovereign immunity,' China would then pay the US compensation 'big time.' together with cancelling the US debt to China.

The next day two former Australian Zionist war mongering foreign ministers, Julie Bishop and Alexander Downer went on ABC TV, one after the other, echoing the first part of Trump's wish list in a very belligerent and self righteous manner. Presumably, they had had phone calls from the usual suspects to suddenly come out of the woodwork.

China could see the implications and the trade war began.

They all know the US is broke and cant pay their creditors. Trump understands bankruptcy well.

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 0:48 utc | 209

Luke @159

Thanks for the reply, I got a kick out of those cars. Liked the Studebaker Golden Hawk, wow, twin superchargers, very rare. I liked the late model Kubelwagen too. The Chrysler is cool.

Have a restored 1961 VW as my toy now, it has Porsche 365 wheels and a few modern features like a fuel gauge, quartz halogen headlights, 12 volts and an electronic ignition.

Every day I used the excellent Volvo S40, which I have kept, until my circumstances changed. Now I love the Porsche Cayenne S, what an incredible beast. One day I hope to go EV.

This is worth reading, good links too: https://tomdispatch.com/lithium-cobalt-and-rare-earths/

I made a typo, it is Bunnenberg, a very interesting family..

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 1:09 utc | 211

Mr. Laguerre | May 21 2021 19:48 utc | 198

Israel did not suffer a strategic defeat in Gaza, that lies a few more battles into the future.

Posted by: Fyi | May 22 2021 1:13 utc | 212

Green EV cars are not so new, here are some 1909 models in the US senate:

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111020_the-us-senate-once-had-its-own-electric-cars-two-studebakers-that-ran-underground

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 1:22 utc | 213

As fellow commenters observed, what kind of Cold War would skip Arctic? Cold Front of Cold War is verbally very active. I found somewhat strange pair of quotes in RealClearPolitics staff article "Biden's Icebreaker Remark Reveals Cracks in Arctic Strategy", dated May 20, 2021:

(1) Calling Russian and Chinese aggression in the waters lapping at his state “the most significant national security threat our nation has faced in years,” Alaska Gov. Mike Dunleavy told RealClearPolitics he was “relieved President Biden is finally recognizing this danger,” but he insisted, “What we need now is action.”

What is going on over there? Russian mariners kidnapping Eskimo girls for their harems? Perhaps something else, as indicated in the second quote

(2) [at] the numerous times the U.S. government had to rely on Russian icebreakers to deliver supplies to Alaska ports. In 2011, the Department of Homeland Security granted a Jones Act waiver to a Russian ship, the Renada, to deliver diesel fuel and gasoline to Nome.

Apparently, US officials were more humiliated that the un-kidnapped girls.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 22 2021 1:25 utc | 214

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 22 2021 1:25 utc | 215

"What is going on over there? Russian mariners kidnapping Eskimo girls for their harems?"

Is that a fact?

Do you have any evidence for this? Perhaps a link?

Perhaps you can tell us 'what is going on' in your mind?

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 2:31 utc | 215

Posted by: Fyi | May 22 2021 1:13 utc | 213

On the contrary israel suffered two strategic defeats in one battle:

1. The revelation that it can no longer trust its own Arab population, that forever forward Israelis will be living side by side with an enemy thought pacified but who might subvert them at any point.

2. The revelation that despite an almost total siege on a tiny ghetto their most advanced defense was not able to guarantee they would not be struck. Hamas missiles were able to strike at least 5 Idf bases, airbases among them.

This speaks about future trends, not only current ones.

These are strategic defeats because they shape the direction israel's behaviour will take in the future.

These revelations place constraints on the power Israel is able to exert over the resistance going forward.

They inform other resistance movements in the region what is possible in the fight against zionist colonial occupation.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 2:35 utc | 216

Posted by: robin | May 21 2021 20:19 utc |


We are all Palestinians now.

And yet you don't show much empathy for the countless new hardships Palestinians will be facing following the latest violent onslaught.

How exactly did you extract this erroneous notion?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 2:49 utc | 217

"What is going on over there? Russian mariners kidnapping Eskimo girls for their harems?"

Is that a fact?

Do you have any evidence for this? Perhaps a link? <- Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 2:31 utc | 216

I used a figure of speech called "a rhetorical question", not the question mark, followed by "Perhaps something else, as indicated in the second quote"

Similarly, I could write "Treasure Department imposed sanctions on 5 Russian ships. Is Biden Administration preparing for WWIII? Perhaps not." and follow it with the description that those ships have small chance of being seized etc. Here I described how Russian aggression on Alaska is conducted: taking orders for delivering goods to ice-bound costal Alaskan towns that Americans are not able to deliver themselves.


Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 22 2021 3:03 utc | 218

@218 Arch Bungle - "How exactly did you..."

Takes a lot of outraged propriety to be that sanctimonious, but some people can pull it off.

The concern is strong in this one.

Posted by: Grieved | May 22 2021 3:04 utc | 219

@220 more...

I forgot to add the "/sarc" and it's looking like a thread where people have to explain their comments.

Posted by: Grieved | May 22 2021 3:09 utc | 220

Posted by: Grieved | May 22 2021 3:04 utc | 220


The concern is strong in this one.

Indeed. I'm not sure what motivation lies behind 'robin's' response, which I find odd: it neither clearly expresses support for the suffering of the palestinians, nor condemnation of the zionist occupiers nor does it present any hopeful, positive suggestion of how the Palestinians may move forward given their circumstances.

Ah well, there's always a critic.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 4:10 utc | 221

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 22 2021 3:03 utc | 219

So that's what you call it now, eh. I'd call it a drive by smear, followed by another drive by smear. Both smears without any supporting evidence.

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 4:26 utc | 222

All - thank you for your comments and replies. There are some interesting matters arising.

karloff, that is a provocative and illuminating comment.

John Cleary @135--

It appears to be Enclosure all over again; this time the mind and reasoning are targeted. If you don't like what they're doing, they'll simply write an ordinance and kill you, as was done quite often from the Elizabethan Age onward. Those ordinances and the associated Terror finally spawned the Revolution that Cromwell co-opted and the UK has yet to free itself from. Yes, the stakes are quite high, and the new Terror is lurking ready to be employed.

Yes yes yes. You do know of this quote from none other than Winston S, don-t you_

The empires of the future are the empires of the mind.

That was from a Harvard commencement address just after the war. They have been planning all of this for a very long time.

You zero in on the English Civil War. What was that all about_

Parliament was historically able to control the monarch by means of the purse. The conflict between Charles I and Parliament was a succession of fights over money.

But what if a monarch had their own money_
They would be impossible to control.

That is why the asbestosis fraud at Lloyds of London is so important. For the first time ever an English monarch had their own *stolen( money, enormous amounts of money they have been able to deploy in the corruption of every government imaginable in Europe and North America.

I don-t know if you saw it, but about a fortnight ago there was a story to the effect that Queen Elizabeth II is trying to change the law to prevent the public from knowing how much money she possesses. Above and beyond everything else, it keeps the price of bribery down if they don-t know how much you-ve got!


Grieved

I wish I had words for this but at the moment I am speechless.

This is a hugely significant thing, both as an injustice of the first order and as a proof of a living history that affects even the US to this day, as many would claim.

Yes yes yes.

These are ancient forces ranged against us, and we must not be too proud to deploy ancient forces in our own defence. Like the Church.

I posted my @Defending Craig Murray@ post on the blog of Iain Lawson. This is how he responded>


iainlawson27
21st May 2021 at 11:36 am
Excellent post. I wish my dad was still alive. He was a Church of Scotland minister and a strong defender of Freedom of Speech.

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/05/21/here-is-shirley-she-hopes-to-confuse-your-kids/

Craig Murray really is a red line for Scottish society, and the Church of Scotland really is our last hope. I-ve read commentators on Scottish blogs say things like @Nicola cannot go on forever@ and so on. No, she cannot. But the British royals apparently can. For at least 140 years so far. And so long as the British queen is in place, then Nicola-s successor will be as bad or worse.

They are livestreaming the General Assembly here>

https://stream1.churchofscotland.org.uk/about_us/general_assembly/

If anybody has any influence at all please get the Church to take this opportunity to put Prince William on the spot. Please.

james

thanks for the update... this vendetta against craig murray is infuriating... i have donated to his cause as well.. it perfectly encapsulates what is wrong in our world today..

You-re right James. Poor Craig is talking about giving up. And who can blame him_

But for the first time I find myself seriously considering, after my case is concluded, leaving my beloved Scotland and going to live in a country which does not jail dissident writers.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/05/chilling-not-in-a-good-way/

Posted by: John Cleary | May 22 2021 5:19 utc | 223

Picking through the rubble in search of signs of the future:

New political bloc in Egypt to support Palestine. Egypt is a key pillar of the zionist occupation:


In Egypt, 18 parties, trade unions and political blocs have launched a new bloc in support of the Palestinian people, which they have called the National Committee for the Support of Palestine, the Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper reported.

Whatever Netanyahoo's aims were, it's certain he has managed to resurrect the Palestinian Cause within the political spheres in the middle east.

At a practical level, one can be sure there will be support for clandestine supply lines into Gaza, if not supported by Al SiSi's dictatorship then certainly by state factions at grass roots level.

Rumours of the demise of Hamas' tunnel network have been greatly exaggerated:


Hamas posts a video from inside tunnel network

On Friday, Hamas displayed a video for the first time from inside one of the tunnels used by the group.

Al Sisi pledges more aid to the strip, including reconstruction of infrastructure:


Meanwhile, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi has pledged $500m for the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip, vast parts of which have been devastated by deadly Israeli air strikes and shelling since 9 May.

Specialised Egyptian companies, the Egyptian president said on 18 May, would participate in the reconstruction of the besieged coastal enclave.

Sisi's gesture of financial support came only hours after his country sent 65 tonnes of medical supplies to Gaza, whose health facilities have struggled to keep up with the flow of victims from Israeli attacks and are close to running out of essential requirements.

China initiates it's counter strategy to the American Uighur propaganda campaign by taking a side in the Palestinian conflict:


With the bombardment of rockets and airstrikes at least temporarily over, China said a "grave humanitarian situation" has been left in the Gaza Strip. The country will send $1 million in cash to Gaza, which China foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian called "emergency humanitarian assistance."

In addition to the cash, Zhao said China is offering $1 million worth of donations and 200,000 doses of COVID-19 vaccines to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East.

"[China will] continue to provide humanitarian supplies to the best of its ability in light of Palestine's needs, and take an active part in the reconstruction of Gaza," Zhao said.

Skin in the game ...

As far afield as Afghanistan, Hamas receives new recruits, converts, sympathisers, enablers:


Some Kabul residents who attended the rally said they are ready to protect the people in Gaza.

“If there is a call for jihad in Palestine, I will go there along with my children to fight,” said Najiba Kakar, a Kabul resident.

“Palestine is our identity. It is the land of prophets,” said a religious scholar Abdul Ahad Mawahidi.

These are merely the faint echoes of coming tremors and earthquakes for israel.

refs:

- https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-gaza-hamas-ceasefire-includes-jerusalem-arabic-press-review
- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-to-send-1-million-in-cash-to-gaza-after-ceasefire-with-israel/ar-AAKePsH
- https://tolonews.com/afghanistan-172309
- https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-egypt-restricting-speech-despite-truce

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 5:36 utc | 224

fyi

Engler: The Many Ways Canada Supports Israeli Apartheid

https://rabble.ca/news/2021/05/many-ways-canada-supports-israeli-apartheid

And these are only the ways we know about...

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 22 2021 6:31 utc | 225

Piotr Berman | May 22 2021 1:25 utc | 215, and others.

The inner vision of solid Russian sailors leaping out of their ships, and rubbing noses with every girl they meet, must be one to put fear and trembling in the hearts of any normally woke Alaskan fur hunter.

The said transmogrified fur hunters, one of whose representatives was seen in the Capitol building some time ago, must also be really adapted to the cold, as he was not fully clothed. Rubbing noses would be out, as the antlers might get in the way.
****

Deviants; Of note is the use of (at least) two people working in unison to start arguments over minor points to deviate the conversations. One aim of the present, is to try to assert that the Al Aqsa Mosque, and Sheik Jarrah were not included in the ceasefire in Jerusalem. Which of course they were, mentioned as specific key points.
***

There is also one (unconfirmed) report of a new IAF bombardment on a tunnel, using the excuse that there was an (infiltration) attempt from Gaza. MSM not reporting.
***

I was right that Blinken would talk with a 85 year old man who doesn't want to step down, and expect him to be "useful".

***
The CDC, are now saying that COVID testing PCR should not be higher than 28, - for those vaccinated. (But the older use of "anything goes if it is 40+" will still be kept for anyone not vaccinated). Cooking the books.

***
I was wrong about the thaw between Russia and the US, because of the new series of sanctions aimed at Russia only. Rubbing noses seems to be out, as there is no longer a meeting "planned" betweeen Putin and Biden.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 22 2021 6:47 utc | 226

Posted by: Stonebird | May 22 2021 6:47 utc | 226

Thanks for the laugh and your comment. Palestine is still the issue.

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 8:20 utc | 227

karloff, Grieved and james,

I have replied to each of you, but the post has been caught up in moderation.

I don-t blame b for that. Things are getting dangerous.

Anyway, I reposted the replies to Craig Murray-s blog

Chilling - Not in a Good Way end of page two of comments

Posted by: John Cleary | May 22 2021 8:25 utc | 228

@ Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 2:49 utc | 218

As I said, you are quick to dismiss Palestinian misery. At 181 you wrote the following:

No more miserable than they've been for many decades.
Have you seen the celebrations in the streets?
Something has become more important to them than their misery.

It is my impression that living conditions in Gaza have severely deteriorated over the last decades. Since 2007, a blockade has severely limited access to basic goods, energy and just about any product. The enclave has lost access to its own waters beyond a tiny, polluted coastal strip and it has lost its peripheral farmland. Groundwater is polluted. There is a catastrophic housing crisis.

Periodic assaults on the enclave degrade the living conditions of the enclave. To me this is obvious. Perhaps I'm under the wrong impression, but I'm reading that you consider a few rockets landing on IDF bases to be a strategic defeat for Israel whereas it has itself made hundreds of direct hits inflicting hundreds of casualties and considerable material damage.

Last week on previous posts, there was a mood of giddiness at the prospect of the severe beating Israel was about to endure. Can't remember who was posting, but the notion was that this was the beginning of the end for Israel. Some even discussed possible destinations for the defeated Israelis. What I find to be in poor taste is the blatant disconnect. Israelis are not going anywhere, they will be sipping sodas by the pool amused with the idea of refugees sifting rubble to collect building material.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 2:35 utc | 217

1. The revelation that it can no longer trust its own Arab population, that forever forward Israelis will be living side by side with an enemy thought pacified but who might subvert them at any point.

There is another way to see this development. The overt violence against Palestinians can easily extend into Israel 48. The footage of armed settlers bused into Lod, ready for action, and the mobilization of the border police is not in any way comforting for Palestinian Israelis.

Posted by: robin | May 22 2021 8:35 utc | 229

coup leader and tyrant sisi of Egypt can and will say anything in 'support' of the Palestinians and Gaza..... at the opportune moment, of course....

"$500 million for the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip" - hah - I'll believe it when I see it.

the reality on the street in that poor country, as everyone knows, is quite different.
for example:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-egypt-restricting-speech-despite-truce

.....Ban on support for Palestinians

In contrast to this official show of support to Gaza and attempts to bring attacks on the Palestinian territory to an end, Egypt does not allow the slightest expression of support for the Palestinians to be made on its streets.

A female journalist recounted on 14 April her painful experience of raising the Palestinian flag in downtown Cairo's iconic Tahrir Square.

Nourelhoda Zaki and a friend of hers raised the flag in support of the Palestinians. As a result, policemen detained Zaki and her friend for hours, verbally harassing and humiliating them before forcing them to drop the flag, leave the square altogether and pledge never to return for another show of support......

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 22 2021 8:45 utc | 230

@ Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 5:36 utc | 224

Thanks for the references regarding Egypt's reaction.

To further michaelj72's post above, my first reaction is to look at Egypt's track record on the issue and the way it has shown itself to be a trusted partner of Palestinian oppression. The single, short lived reprieve conceded to Gaza was during Morsi's presidency. That episode was quickly put to an end.

It would be great to see Egypt change its course, but I won't hold my breath.

Posted by: robin | May 22 2021 8:52 utc | 231

@ Paul #139


Perhaps a German barfly can tell me about the billionaire Bannenberg family? I suspect they are about to make a MOTZA.

A lot of Bannenberg, but nothing really accurate. Could you please check and specify smthg about your research

Posted by: Luke | May 22 2021 8:54 utc | 232

@ Robin & Arch Bungle

1/2 billion is small change on gang fraud on gas
https://www.worldoil.com/news/2021/2/20/israel-and-egypt-discuss-natural-gas-pipeline-link

Once again with support of PA.

Tic, tac, Tik, take, tiktok

Posted by: Luke | May 22 2021 9:07 utc | 233

Posted by: Luke | May 22 2021 8:54 utc | 232

Hello Luke, please see my post @212. Thanks for the feedback. Susanne Bunnenberg of the billionaire Bunnenberg family stands out, see the links @ 212.

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 9:17 utc | 234

@ Paul
Thanks Oldtimer's

Susanne Bunnenberg. OK! Henkel family, not a small one. I dig

Posted by: Luke | May 22 2021 9:24 utc | 235

Posted by: Luke | May 22 2021 9:24 utc | 235

Thanks Luke, high flyers like this don't make too many mistakes

.Did you look at the board of directors of IPT, Dr Markus Elsasser et al ?

See my earlier reply to you today.

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 9:37 utc | 236

I would compare the latest Gaza War to the 2nd Lebanon War, with Hezbollah in 2006 I think it was. It accomplished two, maybe three things:

1.) Hamas established a new level of deterrence, they can hit back.
2.) A big propaganda win for the Palestinians.
3.) Probably the end of Netanyahu (and we all can appreciate that.)

The day may even come when Izzies will start to question their own spook/military complex.

It was, of course, in practical terms, a big loss for both sides. But Israel has a lot more to lose.

Non-pragmatically they embarassed the heck out of the Izzy military and Iron dome and all their bloviating pomposities.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 22 2021 11:28 utc | 237

Piotr Berman, Stonebird, Arctic discussion

What is happening at the level of Russian or American state action is an extreme example of fighting the last war. Just this past week temperatures on the shore of the Arctic Ocean from Murmansk to Severnaya Zemlya were above 30degrees, high that I saw at a weather station was 31.7, with modeled temps where there is no station even higher. In Fahrenheit that is ninety degrees. On the shores of the Arctic. In May. Things have changed. In any forum like this there is an endless mire when climate comes up, things have changed.

Not doing all your homework for you and you shouldn’t believe me anyway. Use ‘Christophe de Margerie’ as a search term. The Christophe is a Russian oil tanker built for Arctic waters. Late January she sailed from Yamal oil fields to China. Return trip early February. Every single model used by academics - crazy wild eyed believers in climate change - would have had it that voyage was impossible. The Christophe would have had to traverse large areas of two and three meter ice plus pressure ridges of very thick ice. What happened was the thickest ice was 1.5 meters with most less than one meter. All of it simple pancake ice. With open leads. Of course this data is not incorporated into the models. Christophe got the headline, tanker traffic continues as simple business as usual.

For decades there has been a research station at the North Pole in summer. Last two years the camp had to be evacuated early. This year no one is going to try.

If you want finegrain information try neven1.typepad.com and go to the forums. Spend enough time there and you will learn about how academia is in utter disarray. And kept there.

Looking forward there is simply more energy in the system. Which means more chaos. No way to prepare for a near term future which is wholly unknown. Military planners are dreaming, they get money regardless.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 22 2021 12:08 utc | 238

@ Paul
Looking for Suzanne
I done the research quickly eating POUTINE *

Your Suzanne is actually a "french" one!


https://images.app.goo.gl/m4PSQFnsTnoJQs7g9
Huguenot are a branch of Calvinists. Many of them moved from France long time ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenots?wprov=sfla1
Suzanne Manchot got married to Bunnenberg. Susanne Manchot (* 20. Dezember 1940) ∞ Klaus Bunnenberg (* 9. Mai 1932 in Bad Mergentheim; † 6. Januar 2016 in Düsseldorf)

One of the wealthy Henkel family in Duesseldorf


https://www.familyofficeresearch.de/die-reichsten-duesseldorfer/
Henkel is on Wiki. The company is an of XIXth century german chemical. Good job with Nazi. And good job with US after WW2.
Denazification was never achieved with German industry [unfortunately???] (remember Hanns Martin Schleyer).
Henkel family (≈150 person) still control 67% of shares. Probably 100+ billion aire.
About MOTZA? MANCHOT are huguenots, Henkels mostly lutherian, und NSDAP. But billions is all about Benjamin.

*On the move with my son, #frittenwerk, "Poutine" is supposed to be Canadian street food. Not a kind of gastronomy.

Posted by: Luke | May 22 2021 12:41 utc | 239

oldhippie | May 22 2021 12:08 utc | 238

There I was, wondering where to take my summer holidays; Siberia? Not that I would now go near North Pole, too full of US and NATO soldiers and ships I gather, who are obsessed with doing practise runs along the north coast of Russia.

I had noticed the warmth (real) in Siberia and the cold in the EU. No real explanation, but I haven't checked the Gulf stream lately. It was signaled to be slowing, which would restrict the heat transferred to Europe. (If it cuts off and turns south near Spain, then the whole situation is.... eerrr, ice-landic?)

I will have to look up neven1.typepad.com tomorrow. Today is booked for family visiting.

Energy systems? The sun has sent two coronal discharges towards the earth recently, just to make things difficult for electronics. I am not surprised that Academia is confused. Isn't that the normal state of affairs with them?

Posted by: Stonebird | May 22 2021 13:12 utc | 240

karloff, that is a provocative and illuminating comment.

John Cleary @135--

It appears to be Enclosure all over again; this time the mind and reasoning are targeted. If you don't like what they're doing, they'll simply write an ordinance and kill you, as was done quite often from the Elizabethan Age onward. Those ordinances and the associated Terror finally spawned the Revolution that Cromwell co-opted and the UK has yet to free itself from. Yes, the stakes are quite high, and the new Terror is lurking ready to be employed.

Yes yes yes. You do know of this quote from none other than Winston S, don-t you_

The empires of the future are the empires of the mind.

That was from a Harvard commencement address just after the war. They have been planning all of this for a very long time.

You zero in on the English Civil War. What was that all about_

Parliament was historically able to control the monarch by means of the purse. The conflict between Charles I and Parliament was a succession of fights over money.

But what if a monarch had their own money_
They would be impossible to control.

That is why the asbestosis fraud at Lloyds of London is so important. For the first time ever an English monarch had their own *stolen( money, enormous amounts of money they have been able to deploy in the corruption of every government imaginable in Europe and North America.

I don-t know if you saw it, but about a fortnight ago there was a story to the effect that Queen Elizabeth II is trying to change the law to prevent the public from knowing how much money she possesses. Above and beyond everything else, it keeps the price of bribery down if they don-t know how much you-ve got!

Posted by: John Cleary | May 22 2021 13:35 utc | 241

james

thanks for the update... this vendetta against craig murray is infuriating... i have donated to his cause as well.. it perfectly encapsulates what is wrong in our world today..

You-re right James. Poor Craig is talking about giving up. And who can blame him_

But for the first time I find myself seriously considering, after my case is concluded, leaving my beloved Scotland and going to live in a country which does not jail dissident writers.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/05/chilling-not-in-a-good-way/

Posted by: John Cleary | May 22 2021 13:38 utc | 242

Grieved

I wish I had words for this but at the moment I am speechless.

This is a hugely significant thing, both as an injustice of the first order and as a proof of a living history that affects even the US to this day, as many would claim.

Yes yes yes.

These are ancient forces ranged against us, and we must not be too proud to deploy ancient forces in our own defence. Like the Church.

I posted my @Defending Craig Murray@ post on the blog of Iain Lawson. This is how he responded>


iainlawson27
21st May 2021 at 11:36 am
Excellent post. I wish my dad was still alive. He was a Church of Scotland minister and a strong defender of Freedom of Speech.

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/05/21/here-is-shirley-she-hopes-to-confuse-your-kids/

Craig Murray really is a red line for Scottish society, and the Church of Scotland really is our last hope. I-ve read commentators on Scottish blogs say things like @Nicola cannot go on forever@ and so on. No, she cannot. But the British royals apparently can. For at least 140 years so far. And so long as the British queen is in place, then Nicola-s successor will be as bad or worse.

They are livestreaming the General Assembly here>

https://stream1.churchofscotland.org.uk/about_us/general_assembly/

If anybody has any influence at all please get the Church to take this opportunity to put Prince William on the spot. Please.

Posted by: John Cleary | May 22 2021 13:47 utc | 243

Stonebird @ 240

Short term weather such as the heat wave in Russian Arctic or cold snap in Europe are more the province of the jet stream than the Gulfstream. The jet stream and the polar jet are in tatters. I usually look at the nullschool site for current upper atmosphere flows. Jennifer Francis was the one who got the ball rolling on what happens when the jet streams start to fail. She is talented as a lecturer as well as a researcher, available in that role on YouTube.

Do not concern yourself with NATO in the Arctic. Essentially no capability at all beyond spewing propaganda. US does still have a capable submarine fleet. They do spend significant time in the Arctic Ocean because under 1.5 meters or greater ice is the only place they can hide from Russian satellites. That refuge is disappearing as the ice disappears and also as Russian satellites improve.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 22 2021 14:00 utc | 244


fyi


https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1396083656960188416

Just try writing on Google: 'Israel has a right to defend itself' and see what you get. Pages and pages from the world leaders.......

Why would #Israel not violate every single law, commit war crimes, abuse of power, ethnic cleansing and force people into a concentration camp?

----------

Sarah Abdallah @sahouraxo

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1395489918504161285

Israel’s 11-day bombing in Gaza has left:

-232 Palestinians killed, including 65 children and 39 women
-1,900 injured
-120,000 displaced
-1,800 homes destroyed
-66 schools destroyed
-20+ media offices destroyed

Israel and the US should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 22 2021 14:59 utc | 245

@ Stonebird #201

The truce in Palestine won't hold. the IDF are already occopying Al Aqsa Mosque and setting up checkpoints in the West Bank. 90+% of the arrests for violence in the inter-ethnic revolt are "Arabic". Discrimination continues at every level, it seems.

Yes and No.
Yes: No truce Zionistan/Palestineis possible, it's occupied land. Peace is possible btw Jews/Muslims/Christians/even atheists and multicultural intersectional freaks. But on "one man, one vote" rule, right to return for refugee and descendants. No Zionism compatibility. No "By the Rules" compatibility. International laws apply. [perhaps one of the main reasons of this incredible "debate"]

No: IDF is not occupying "Al Aqsa Mosque". That was one more propaganda for Zionist dummies. IDF als every day is patrolling on the compound and provoking Palestinian.
Not the Mosque.
Haram Al Sharif, the only place known by me where you have to prove to a Jewish F*k.Soldier that you are actually Muslim [just talking a bit of Quran...
Haram Al Sharif, [not inside Al-Aqsa] the only place known by me where you pray WHITH YOUR SHOES. I was told to pray with mine in order to be ready to run at any time.
***
Posted by: Stonebird | May 21 2021 20:14 utc | 201
@ Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 2:35 utc | 217
+1
@ Bemildred #237
+1
@ robin #229


The footage of armed settlers bused into Lod, ready for action, and the mobilization of the border police is not in any way comforting for Palestinian Israelis.

War is not ONLY about weapons and damages.
But about spirit.
Zionistan is defeated by  a "stoneage" missile intifada. Full unreliable "Propaganda Staffel" [funny Hollywood tweet from Nathanyou, with a remake of "Desert Storm" featuring IDF]

Zionists settlers don't even buy it, but AR-15 [impressive number since 3 months, before the last "Gaza bombing" . To run inside Gaza and wipe Hamas out? They need guts and balls. Out of stock. Period.

An Palestine is back from darkness. Always buried by "Arabic Bedouin" as called them my old friend Saada, a real Muslim from Bakel: "they betrayed even Prophet Muhammad.."
And always back to the light.

Posted by: Luke | May 22 2021 15:35 utc | 246

A group of Republican lawmakers sent a letter to the acting secretary of the U.S. Space Force on May 19, urging him to immediately reinstate a lieutenant colonel who was relieved of his command after publishing a book that warned of the spread of Marxism and critical race theory (CRT) in the military.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/lawmakers-demand-reinstatement-of-space-force-officer-who-was-removed-for-denouncing-critical-race-theory_3823343.html

Posted by: Mao | May 22 2021 15:38 utc | 247

@ michaelj72 #244 Israel and the US should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
The detailed number statistics on Israel's assault on mostly unarmed people is a new twist, but the US has gotten away with destroying foreign property and people for generations, and getting away with it, helped by details lacking in the US media. So unfortunately it's nothing new. It's what the US means by "rules-based international order." The US and Israel are not members of the International Criminal Court and do not recognize ICC authority. ICC criminal actions are mostly applied to Africans.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 22 2021 15:54 utc | 248

@238 oldhippie.. thanks for that...

@ 242 john clearly... thanks john.. i read that article last night... it is so depressing how they want to destroy messengers who provide an alternative viewpoint...

Posted by: james | May 22 2021 16:42 utc | 249

I do want to give Elon Musk credit for pushing envelopes of social complacency

As many of you know, Musk has been supportive of crypto currencies of late and his latest twitter quote will hopefully spark some useful/educational discussion

"
The true battle is between fiat & crypto. On balance, I support the latter.
"

Sounds like a job for Ghostbusters!/s


What is money?

Trusted medium of exchange?

Store of value over time?

What establishes trust in fiat or crypto money?

Is there a proof of that trust?

Curious minds want to know........

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 22 2021 16:53 utc | 250

@ Stonebird #201

The truce in Palestine won't hold. the IDF are already occopying Al Aqsa Mosque and setting up checkpoints in the West Bank. 90+% of the arrests for violence in the inter-ethnic revolt are "Arabic". Discrimination continues at every level, it seems.

Yes and No.
Yes: No truce  Zionistan/Palestine is possible, it's occupied land.
Peace is possible BTW Jews/Muslims/Christians/even atheists and multicultural intersectional freaks. But on "one man, one vote" rule, right to return for refugee and descendants. No Zionism compatibility. No "By the Rules" compatibility. International laws apply. [perhaps one of the main reasons of this incredible "debate"]

No: IDF is not occupying "Al Aqsa Mosque". That was one more propaganda for Zionist dummies. IDF als every day is patrolling on the compound and provoking Palestinian.
Not the Mosque.


Haram Al Sharif, the only place known by me where you have to prove to a Jewish F*k Soldier that you are actually Muslim [just talking a bit of Quran...]
Haram Al Sharif, [not inside Al-Aqsa] the only place known by me where you pray WHITH YOUR SHOES. I was told to pray with mine in order to be ready to run at any time.

***
Posted by: Stonebird | May 21 2021 20:14 utc | 201
@ Arch Bungle | May 22 2021 2:35 utc | 217
+1
@ Bemildred #237
+1
@ robin #229

The footage of armed settlers bused into Lod, ready for action, and the mobilization of the border police is not in any way comforting for Palestinian Israelis.

War is not ONLY about weapons and damages.
But about spirit. They received more questions than missiles.
Zionistan is defeated by  a "stoneage" rocket intifada. Look at one day collapsing under unreliable "Propaganda Staffel" homework [funny Hollywood tweet from Nathanyou, with a remake of "Desert Storm" featuring IDF]. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-21-2021/
Zionists settlers don't even buy it, but AR-15. To run inside Gaza and wipe Hamas out? They need guts and balls. Out of stock. Period.
An Palestine is back from darkness. Always buried by "Arabic Bedouin" as called them my old friend Saada, a real Muslim from Bakel: "they betrayed even Prophet Muhammad.."

And always back into the light.

Posted by: Rêver | May 22 2021 18:07 utc | 251

‘Weapons of the future’: Russia has launched mass production of autonomous high-tech WAR ROBOTS


I have an focus on AI these days and was wondering what you all thought of this development?

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 22 2021 18:32 utc | 252

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 22 2021 18:32 utc | 250

Having robots fight each other seems kind of futile to me. Which means we will probably do it.

Robots fighting people, my money is on the people. We're smarter, lower maintenance, lower cost, and reproduce faster. In fact we can do useful work too.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 22 2021 18:41 utc | 253

"No: IDF is not occupying "Al Aqsa Mosque". That was one more propaganda for Zionist dummies. IDF als every day is patrolling on the compound and provoking Palestinian.
Not the Mosque."

Posted by: Rêver | May 22 2021 18:07 utc | 249

'Al-Aqsa' is being used by imprecise journalists to mean the whole compound of al-Haram al-Sharif. In a sense they're right; the compound counts as the courtyard of the mosque. In any case I have seen videos of Israeli troops inside the the building, though not a major invasion.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 22 2021 18:49 utc | 254

Israel did not suffer a strategic defeat in Gaza, that lies a few more battles into the future. Posted by: Fyi | May 22 2021 1:13 utc | 213

I am undecided on that. While rolling out the tanks might be an option, tank warfare is far less effective these days. Their next move will drone swarm and autonomous vehicles but that is effective in a ground war. It's effective in general but not against a population in revolt or guerilla tactics.

I think that the limits of Iron Dome were already well known to the resistance, just not the general public.

While hits certainly count more than missiles fired, it has been shown that Israel can not function under a siege of this sort. Their options become limited.

This time, having again gone too far, Israel has seriously lost the "PR war". So much so they are globally being declared a fascist, apartheid state. That tide has finally turned. For good I believe.

Having learned a great deal, the resistance can themselves use the ensuing time to better prepare for the next confrontation. However that will largely be determined by Israel. So opportunism is in play.

Overall I would have to call that a major (geo) strategic loss but at enormous cost to the people of Gaza and Israel both.

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 22 2021 20:20 utc | 255

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 22 2021 3:03 utc | 219 So that's what you call it now, eh. I'd call it a drive by smear, followed by another drive by smear. Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 4:26 utc | 223
I was looking for something shorter that 'passive aggressive'. This was no help whatsoever.... :-(

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 22 2021 20:41 utc | 256

Posted by: oldhippie | May 22 2021 12:08 utc | 238 (on the Artic.)

Yee gads man! A Norther Passage (tm) you say??? One thing I haven't heard anything about (I'm Canadian) is how and when this is going to impact the Hudsons Bay. A year round port was always a big economic dream in those parts.

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 22 2021 20:46 utc | 257

David Horsman @ 255

Most of the knowledgeable Arctic guys pay little attention to Hudson’s because it reliably melts out by seasons end. I am a pure amateur on this. Two suggestions: 1. Go to EOSDIS Worldview, click on Arctic, see for yourself. What you will see there is a natural light, natural color daily photo of the Arctic. Zooms in and out readily and to surprising clarity. Leave it on natural light settings unless you are smarter than I. Notice that at bottom left you can toggle back a day or a year. Scan through the years to get an idea of how variable the ice can be year to year. IMO Hudson’s looks very bad this year. Be aware that total amateurs make discoveries all the time by paying attention to detail. If you watch Hudson’s closely enough you could be the expert.

Oh yeah, the photo is a daily montage from multiple satellite passes. If it is just blank go back a day. Some editing for best images occurs at end of day. And this service could stop at any moment. All the satellites are far beyond their expected service life with no plans for replacement.

2.Pray it does not melt out early. When that happens we find out how the weather changes. It will not be for the better.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 22 2021 21:14 utc | 259

Follow up to #257

On the Worldview homepage click off the big box in middle. Row of symbols at upper right. Click on the one that looks like a globe. Arctic is first in the dropdown

Posted by: Oldhippie | May 22 2021 21:54 utc | 260

psychohistorian | May 22 2021 16:53 utc | 248

What is money? Any and all definitions must include the warning:
"...but only if food [includes water and air] is available. Without food available, there is no money...other than food."

Perhaps this is too simplistic? Or simply unconfrontable by by the masters of money, including "finance", which is the management and mis-management of money .

Posted by: chu teh | May 22 2021 21:55 utc | 261

karlof1 #196

An example of the latest move in the War Against People by The Anti-Humans in charge of state governments within the Outlaw US Empire.

Any President worthy of the office would lead a very loud and aggressive campaign against those governors and those state legislatures on behalf of the people.

The current President is a bipartisan coward. The current Congress is a bipartisan insult to humanity. Silence of the squad...

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2021 22:18 utc | 262

the great Chris Hedges, along with his guest Palestinian political activist Dr. Sami Al-Arian, Director of the Center for Islamic and Global Affairs (CIGA) in Istanbul. at Robert Scheer's blog


https://scheerpost.com/2021/05/20/chris-hedges-and-noted-palestinian-activist-dr-sami-al-arian-on-the-gaza-crisis/

Chris Hedges: Nearly all the words and phrases used by the Democrats, Republicans and the talking heads in the media to describe the unrest inside Israel and the heaviest Israeli assault against the Palestinians since the 2014 attacks on Gaza, which lasted 51 days and killed more than 2200 Palestinians including 551 children, are a lie. Israel, by employing its military machine against an occupied population that does not have mechanized units, an air force, navy, missiles, heavy artillery and command and control, not to mention a US commitment to provide $38 billion dollars in defense-aid to Israel over the next decade, is not exercising the right to defend itself. It is carrying out mass murder. It is a war crime......


Dr Sami Al-Arian: .....But I think this time around, there was also a massive response from the other side; hundreds of rockets rained on Israeli cities as far as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and all areas in between; Ashdod, Ashkelon, and the many settlements around Gaza, so it’s not – it’s not a free ride as it used to be, and we remember – you remember you covered the 1982 Lebanon invasion of Israel and how the Lebanese were able to deter Israel. Today it doesn’t dare to strike at Lebanon because of the resistance in South Lebanon, and now the strength of Hezbollah, and I think what’s happening is similar. Obviously with a vast difference that Gaza is much closer and much weaker, but at the same time, today there are more rockets and a more devastating impact of the use of these rockets than it used to be in 2014.....


Posted by: michaelj72 | May 22 2021 22:46 utc | 263

you can watch/hear the interview between Hedges and Al-Arian on youtube as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvHpmvbRYtg


Posted by: michaelj72 | May 22 2021 22:57 utc | 264

War and talk of war. IMHO there will be no US/AUST war with China in the foreseeable future for very simple reasons, the sensible adults in the room know China would win.

" Knowing this, the United States is unlikely to get into a land war in East Asia. America cannot be relied on even to come to the defence of Taiwan, South Korea, or Japan."

This 'banging on about war' serves domestic political purposes in both Washington and Canberra.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/04/26/dutt-a26.html

https://johnmenadue.com/banging-on-about-war-what-for/

Whichever bunch of compradores happens to be in government in the US the priority is to provide support to the Bandit State politically, diplomatically, militarily and pay tribute financially.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/11/biden-budget-would-send-13-billion-more-israeli-military-global-climate-programs

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/5/20/why-netanyahu-thinks-america-is-stupid

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/05/20/some-simple-lies-out-washington-who-is-terrorist-and-victim/

This support is unconditional, even when Zionists openly claim to be Nazis:

https://electronicintifada.net/content/today-we-are-nazis-says-member-israeli-jewish-extremist-group/33081

Why fritter away this support on fighting a war for Taiwan, for example? Given a choice to defend either Australia or Israel, guess, for example, which country Senator Lindsay Graham would choose?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ErE7kl_Bk

Posted by: Paul | May 22 2021 22:57 utc | 265

@269 uncle tungsten

Agreed.

Common Dreams headline blames GOP at state level, doesn't include the federal Executive which says it is powerless to help.

Poor little Administration, thwarted in its desire to do good for the common people by bad governors.

To paraphrase psychohistorian: the Narrative continues until it doesn't.

Posted by: Grieved | May 22 2021 22:57 utc | 266

@259 I think crypto appeals to young progressives because it's seen as slightly rebellious i.e. beyond government control. Will it replace fiat currency? Unlikely IMO because the financial system requires a measure of control to maintain credibility. That's why the Fed exista.....to maintain a veneer of central authority.

Posted by: dh | May 23 2021 0:59 utc | 267

Posted by: Rêver | May 22 2021 18:07 utc | 249


"No: IDF is not occupying "Al Aqsa Mosque". That was one more propaganda for Zionist dummies. IDF als every day is patrolling on the compound and provoking Palestinian.
Not the Mosque."

This is identical to the statement:

"The IDF is not occupying Gaza" It just has an almost hermetic seal on it's perimeter.

It is a distinction without a difference in all practical senses.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 23 2021 1:01 utc | 268

@ chu teh | May 22 2021 21:55 utc | 259.. i would like to understand you, but your comments kind of went right over my head! if you try again from another angle, i am curious.. thanks -

Posted by: james | May 23 2021 1:15 utc | 269

posted by Luke @ 239

Thank you for your research, very interesting. I was aware of the French Huguenots fleeing to Germany. I was not aware they were Calvinists. I thought Calvin or Colvin came later and was Swiss. A dangerous sect. I doubt todays Bunnenberg's are Calvinists. One famous German WW1 general, Hermann von Francois was of Huguenot decent. von Francois made his name at the battle of Tannenberg, fighting against, among other Russian generals, Paul von Rennenkampf. The von Rennenkampf family probably moved to Russia at the time of Catherine the Great. To me this demonstrates the utter stupidity and futility of European fratricidal wars.

http://prussianmachine.com/aok/francois.htm

I hope you enjoy your Poutine, for real gastronomy see A Guide To Modern Cookery, by G A Escoffier 1907.

'Motza' is a slang expression for a lot of money.

Posted by: Paul | May 23 2021 1:22 utc | 270

fyi

a bit from the venerable Richard Falk

https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-beginning-end-apartheid/5745815
Israel: Is this the Beginning of the End of Apartheid?

Israel has already long lost the main legal and moral arguments and is in the process of losing the political argument


".....For Israelis and much of the West, the core narrative continues to be the violence of a “terrorist” organisation, Hamas, challenging the peaceful state of Israel with destructive intent, making the Israeli response seem reasonable. It is thus framed as not only a response to Hamas’ rockets but also as a harsh punitive lesson for the people of Gaza, designed to deter future attacks.

The Israeli missiles and drones are deemed “defensive” while the rockets are acts of “terrorism”, even though Israeli human targets are seldom hit, and despite the fact that it is Israeli weaponry that causes 95 percent of the widespread death and destruction among the over two million civilian Palestinians in Gaza. They have been victims of an unlawful and crippling blockade that since 2007 has brought severe suffering to the impoverished, crowded and traumatised enclave, with unemployment levels above 50 percent.

In the current confrontation, Israel’s control of the international discourse has succeeded in de-contextualising the timeline of violence, thus leading those with little knowledge of what induced the flurry of Hamas rockets to believe falsely that the destruction in Gaza was a retaliatory Israeli reaction to hundreds of rockets launched by Hamas and Gaza armed groups.

With abuses of language that might even surprise Orwell, Israel’s state terrorism is airbrushed by the world along with the rebuff of Hamas’ peace diplomacy over the past 15 years that has repeatedly sought a permanent ceasefire and peaceful coexistence.... "

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 23 2021 2:03 utc | 271

Curious minds want to know........
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 22 2021 16:53 utc | 248
Lol. There's this new thing in currency. They are calling it "gold backed". It's quite a radical idea. Who knows? Maybe it will catch on.

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 23 2021 3:54 utc | 272

Posted by: robin | May 22 2021 8:35 utc | 229


As I said, you are quick to dismiss Palestinian misery. At 181 you wrote the following:

I'm not sure how you're deriving this irrational conclusion.

What, specifically, gives you the notion that I have "dismissed Palestinian misery" ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 23 2021 4:18 utc | 273

@ David G Horsman | May 23 2021 3:54 utc | 270 with the vote for gold backed currency and chu teh | May 22 2021 21:55 utc | 259 with the call for association of money to "food/air/water"

Thanks for adding to the conversation.

While gold and other precious metals have historically been used as and associated with money, I agree with chu teh that tying currency to "food/air/water" is closer to what is needed if currency type money is going to continue to be used internationally.

The precious metals markets have been owned and controlled by the elite for centuries, starting when the gold/silver exchange ratio in one region was significantly different from another...it was that way for centuries...

I want to go back to my original questions about the needs of humanity for money.....stable value medium of exchange and potentially short/long term store of value that is not "investment" but not needed for immediate consumption.

I posit that China's new digital yuan with an expiration date may meet the stable value medium of exchange need.

The second need could be met by an international currency that reflects the evolving cost of life essential like chu teh writes about. If humanity had all sovereign money and finance the nations governments could provide Postal System sort of banking services and storage in the international currency could be a users ongoing option.

Others thoughts?

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 23 2021 4:33 utc | 274

Below is a Xinhuanet posing I feel compelled to share
I am sorry for the loss of life and astounded at what they were attempting...100k/62+ miles in the mountains....

"
LANZHOU, May 23 (Xinhua) -- The death toll has increased to 21 after extreme weather hit participants in a 100-km cross-country mountain marathon race in Baiyin City, northwest China's Gansu Province, the local rescue headquarters said on Sunday.

Another 151 participants were confirmed safe, of which eight with minor injuries were treated in the hospital and in stable condition.

It was a public safety incident caused by a sudden change in local weather, and the province had set up a special team to further investigate the cause of the incident, said Zhang Xuchen, mayor of Baiyin City, at a press briefing on Sunday morning.

The marathon race was held on Saturday morning in the Yellow River Stone Forest tourist site in Jingtai County, Baiyin City.

According to the rescue headquarters, at about 1 p.m. Saturday, hails, freezing rain and gales hit the area of the race's high-altitude stage between 20 to 31 km. Participants suffered from physical discomfort and loss of temperature due to the sudden drop in air temperature.

Some of the participants went missing and the race was halted.

Local governments initiated an emergency response and organized over 1,200 well-equipped rescuers to search for the missing people.

The temperature dropped again during the night due to the area's complex terrain and topography, making the search and rescue more difficult.

A total of 172 people took part in the mountain marathon race.
"

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 23 2021 5:15 utc | 275

The Palestinian Right of Return Could go to the ICC,

John Quigley, Opinio Juris,

https://www.thecanadafiles.com/articles/bgngp

Posted by: Paul | May 23 2021 7:57 utc | 276

Oops, wrong link @ 274

https://opiniojuris.org/2021/05/17/palestinian-right-of-return-could-go-to-the-icc/

Watch the usual suspects go ballistic with this one, so much for the rules based order. They are running out of excuses. Both the King and the Cushioned Pashas have no clothes.

Posted by: Paul | May 23 2021 8:18 utc | 277

james | May 23 2021 1:15 utc | 267
re the concept of money...

Recall: In any economy, the basics for human survival are
food, shelter and clothing. Maybe that is too simplistic, but it communicates pretty well a workable wisdom.

I include air and water in the necessity called "food".

Eliminate foodstuffs or air/oxygen supply or water..i.e.,literally none is available to be made available... it cannot be had...then what is any form of "money", if not utterly useless?

Only the availability of FOOD gives meaning to "money". This is my opinion albeit not so humble.

Shelter and clothing are more readily substituted or otherwise made available if one has "money" and a little time to create or rig some work-around. But if no food is available for delivery, about the only recourse is cannibalism to buy a little time...then muscle or a club becomes "money"...but only briefly.

Brings new meaning to the concept of "resources". Fiat "money" has value only to extent resources are available for purchase, because "fiat" by definition means not backed-up by any thing, i.e. real resource. Stated another way, "fiat" is not a promise to pay a real resource. Real "money", as opposed to "fiat" is a promise to pay, or exchange, for some real resource such as fuel, a kiss, or a ham sandwich.

When the last storehouse is empty except for "the last ham sandwich"...well, money and price have lost any meaning.

600 years ago, any blue-water voyage that ran out of potable water would, within perhaps 1 week, become a vessel with all crew dead. Such derelict ships were occasionally found. So the knowledge of island sources of fresh water re-supply was an extremely valuable resource. [reference the Hakluyts and Britain's global survey of all resources, beginning before 1600.]

Posted by: chu teh | May 23 2021 8:28 utc | 278

Posted by: chu teh | May 23 2021 8:28 utc | 276

I thought you were clear enough, maybe a little too concise. Money requires a place to spend it and something to spend it on. We in the "first world" don't have to make these choices much, but when you do, it is a good rule of thumb that biological necessities are priceless. The price is whatever you have.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 23 2021 8:47 utc | 279

I call him "Cancun Cruz" myself:

US Senator Ted Cruz calls Putin ‘left-wing dictator’ in attempt to outdo liberals calling him #KremlinCruz in their Russophobia

Yes, it could indeed turn into a civil war:

Israel must immediately confiscate all illegal weapons

Posted by: Bemildred | May 23 2021 9:18 utc | 280

I have always regarded Zionist occupiers as a virus and a blight on humanity, now I discover the name of the Zionist from NY attempting to rob the Palestinian family from Sheikh Jarrah, Jacob FAUCI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hwJczFoDhc

Posted by: Paul | May 23 2021 9:47 utc | 281

More on money vis a vis FOOD...

Michael Hudson et al quest to uncover the birth of money has been most helpful in determining that grain foodstuffs were the underpinning for enabling a workable taxation system, especially because a reliable system of weights and measures along with a realistic exchange rate established relative worths of other commodities that became alternatives to payments in grain. Silver and gold were among those other commodities and were often easier to use for tax payments.

But note, food [as grain] was apparently the 1st acceptable denomination for tax payments. That action was followed by agreed-upon control of weights and measures along with other-than-grain alternatives.

And related to the above workable payment systems, it seems that money-lending only then became a workable method of accumulating land already made productive other persons' labors. Simply by first encouraging debts, lenders could then use any contract failure to pry valuable land rights away from their new debtors. Note how the invention of interest-on-debt magnified the money-lender's pry-bar.

Posted by: chu teh | May 23 2021 11:09 utc | 282

Robots vs people: Basically we're hosed. See excellent short dramatization Slaughterbots, from Dr Stuart Russell IIRC. And that's only using current technology.

Posted by: Imagine | May 23 2021 12:14 utc | 283

@ Paul #274 #279

Right to return is THE question and THE solution for Palestine

Disambiguation: Right of return is NOT for so-called "descendant of early settlers in the region" (even according to the bible the Jews are a kind of "settlers" coming from Egypt to Philistine)
[The Jews are supposed to leave Canaan to Egypt when Joseph was Prime Minister of Pharaon (1700 BC) and Exode from Egypt with Moise (1400 BC)]

Since UN Resolution 194 UN (1948)
Article 11 – Palestinian Refugees


[The General Assembly] Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.

With right to return and self determination the apartheid regime will simply collapse.
Again and again, Zion and US "settlers" rob this basic right when trying to use "Rules based Order".Rules established by us and accepted by you

Posted by: Luke | May 23 2021 12:43 utc | 284

"attempting to rob the Palestinian...
from the beginning the position of the Jewish Agency is that a "Jewish state" should be established in Mandatory Palestine and that free emigration should be allowed, especially for Jewish displaced persons from the Second World War [that is in no way Right to Return]
UN was clear [even pro occidental & colonial at this time


The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
[...]
2. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants on the ground of race, religion, language or sex.
3. All persons within the jurisdiction of the State shall be entitled to equal protection of the laws.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140705022846/https://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/7f0af2bd897689b785256c330061d253?OpenDocument">https://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/7f0af2bd897689b785256c330061d253?OpenDocument">https://web.archive.org/web/20140705022846/https://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/7f0af2bd897689b785256c330061d253?OpenDocument

Funny map on wiki , who decided to divide Palestine.
Nobody in Asia,nobody in Africa [sorry yes: "South Africa" and Algeria (Algeria? a french departement or colony, WTF?)]
Mostly europeean country very happy to find a final solution to the "jewish Frage". (according to Herzl "Jüdenstatt" project)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_partage_de_la_Palestine

Posted by: Luke | May 23 2021 13:14 utc | 285

Greenwald's essay doesn't weigh in on anything it is accused of by this blog's author. The whole point is, as the last two paragraphs state, that,
"...there is a stronger basis for claiming that Obama was significantly more accommodating of Putin than Trump ever was. And after just four months in office, the same is true of Biden...", but that this makes NO difference to "...a media devoted to an agenda rather than truth..." who "...pushed and endorsed a demented, dangerous conspiracy theory about the world’s second-largest nuclear power..."

I agree with him. I even expected Biden to be more of a hawk (but it's early).
if I wanted to nitpick, I'd say I disagree with the notion that Russophobia was dusted off and brought back from the closet because it was it was never put away. In fact, the neocons ran the state dept under Obama and did a lot of damage, and already had Russia in their aim (literally) when they chose it for their Trumpophobia excuse.

Posted by: k | May 23 2021 15:15 utc | 286

@ chu teh | May 23 2021 8:28 utc | 279 / 283... thanks chu teh.... i thought about it more afterwards and your comments immediately made sense... thanks for your posts here and at moa.. much appreciated!

Posted by: james | May 23 2021 15:44 utc | 287

@ Paul
Huguenots
in France mostly from 1560 to 1700. [actually some are still referring to be Huguenot and not Evangelicals]
After the revocation of the Edict of Nantes, most emigrated to the Netherlands and Germany [since Louis XIV, for effective economic decisions, the French can always be trusted].
Before Calvin, a French theologian (1530) and Luther (1517) we have got Catharism [probably what you heard about] a Christian dualist or Gnostic movement [between the 12th and 14th centuries] in Southern Europe.
In southern France, a blood bath. And some beautiful places to visit.https://youtu.be/AmXrPlHaUWI

Posted by: Luke | May 23 2021 17:40 utc | 288

This is very interesting. The eternal war

http://bibliotecapleyades.lege.net/sumer_anunnaki/secretdarkstars/Secret4.htm#Status_Report

Posted by: whisperer | May 23 2021 18:55 utc | 289

Luke | May 23 2021 17:40 utc | 289

Cathars
-This was much more a total rejection of the "all-powerful" Catholic Church, as there are very few writings of their beliefs that remain.

They refused that the Catholic "Prince-Bishops" had control over daily lives, who they could marry or not, where they could live, their class statute, "law" and "order" (often brutal, always according to their "rules"), religious conformity (heretics were tortured and then burned etc. Torture included ripping off arms during "questioning", etc) All the while taking "tithes" from the poor, running their own army, naming who could be King or noble etc. and living in absolute luxury and debauchery (Debaucherie was reserved for the upper echelons and nuns)
None of them worked. (neither Bishops nor simple priests).

Very similar to the Oligarchic clans today.

What was the ultimate sin at that time was the Cathar refusal of the Catholic "rules based order", who were the only ones who could tell others how to live. (They wanted control over everybody including the "nobility" and mercenary/armed classes). Much like nowadays, where the "givers" of orders have now been widened to include politicians and other riff-raff, as well as the Rich. Peasants excluded

If there is a true revolt against the actual situation nowaday it will ressemble their attitude. It will probably be as brutal.
They were exterminated (correct word).

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Your "chateau" link omits Monsegur, where about 100 Knights defended the unarmed cathars against the 2000+ man crusade sent against them. Culminating in 215 - 220 Cathars walking down the hill and getting onto the heap of wood to be burnt alive. (Faith is capable of some extraordinary things). Others who denounced their faith were tried and recieved light penalities, as they were needed to work in the fields if the rich were not to starve. But not the "parfaits" (Preachers), male and female, who were usually burnt alive after the torture.

Their principal argument against the Catholic church was that you don't need a "church" or a "representative" to meet God or worship. Heaven is above and Hell is here on earth. Side note; I am not sure that "hell is here on Earth" is the correct interpretation, as "Purgatory" was possibly invented by the Catholics to instill fear, before death. ie you would need them to "absolve" you first. Whereas the Cathars would have rejected any "absolution" by Catholic Priests. "Heaven" is pure Love and the Light of God. Without the "fear and punishment" added by venal and corrupt Priests.

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This was during early feudalism. Later it became much more "armed" force-centric.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 23 2021 19:57 utc | 290

@ Stonebird on Cathars

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Your post on Catharism is really impressive.I just wanted to give Paul a short answer because I think he had this anticipated “Protestantism” in mind. To really understand, from 711 to 1492, "Spain" was mostly Al-Andalus. Cathars, Muslims and Jews were neighbors. With good relationship.
http://www.sfa-auvillar.com/JETE/2008_Florence/documents/JETE_Benlolo_Catharisme.pdf

I didn’t want to make it too personal, a branch of my family is from the Cathars country.
800 years after wiping the Cathars from the face of the world, a region still claims this heritage.
This should make us think and reintroduce the spiritual and cultural dimension into material history.

The official website of Monségur en Pays Cathare
http://www.montsegur.fr/montsegur-et-le-catharisme/

Posted by: Luke | May 23 2021 20:44 utc | 291

Luke | May 23 2021 20:44 utc | 292

My pleasure; I think the Cathars were on to something.

I've only visited the area once, but was impressed.
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Posted by: Stonebird | May 24 2021 13:31 utc | 292

Breaking. A kid appears to be sophocated.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2021/05/24/vt-blockbuster-exclusive-why-israel-surrendered-to-hamas-smuggled-horror-video/

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 25 2021 3:57 utc | 293

Book title in a comment by Prof in another thread:

"Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism"

I know it's unlikely to be the case but judging by the title of that book it argues that both women and socialism have extremely serious internal problems? How else would one read such a title when one hasn't already read the book? :P

Maybe it's not as obvious as I think:
· If women need a political ideology in order to solve whatever problem they might have… (How isn't such a statement incredibly demeaning and patronizing?)
· A political ideology that has a notable (primary?) feature of, or is advertised on the merit of; sorting out the sex life of women… (How isn't such a statement a massive ridicule of any such ideology?)

Who wouldn't run away screaming? Illiterates?

Try on this version of the title if I'm not being understood:

"Why Men Had Better Sex Under Capitalism"

Equally ridiculous title.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 26 2021 0:24 utc | 294

Sunny Runny Burger | May 26 2021 0:24 utc | 294

Given the impossibility of being able to conduct credible empirical research on whether women had better sex under socialism (an aside: What, they don't *have* better sex under socialism *now*?), one can safely conclude that any, umm, work with such a title can be dismissed as so much tendentious nonsense.

Posted by: corvo | May 26 2021 0:56 utc | 295

@294 & 295

Great discussion between two people who didn't study the subject of their discussion.

If you read some of the reviews, you might glimpse what's actually being discussed, behind that otherwise lurid title.

But go ahead and fail to understand, just on that title.

~~

For those who may wish to understand, the book apparently addresses social life under the system of socialism, and the greater freedom for women (who are currently in second place under the prevailing patriarchy, and for whom any kind of leveling is useful) that actually, yes, does result in their being able to exercise more life choices than under capitalism.

Since this is the open thread, and the comment is being abstracted from the Iran thread, here's the link in question:

Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism: And Other Arguments for Economic Independence

Posted by: Grieved | May 26 2021 2:33 utc | 296

My mocking is here because the original comment obviously did not belong in a serious thread.

How many have read the book before the title? Not that it seems to matter in this case because your description of the book makes it sound worse than what I wrote, outright exploitative.

To me it is you who do not understand, however any combination of whether or not we both do not understand is fine my be because I doubt it is important to either of us.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 26 2021 3:02 utc | 297

@297 Sunny Runny Burger - "however any combination of whether or not we both do not understand is fine by me because I doubt it is important to either of us"

One of the greatest meta comments ever made in any of these threads, or in any comment thread on any site.

I could wish that everyone would take this attitude as their own basis for dealing with other people's views, and I am more grateful than I can express for your having said it.

I guess it's called tolerance - the leeway given to others is the room for oneself to move on. There will always be more things to discuss, and more chances for agreement.

Posted by: Grieved | May 26 2021 4:09 utc | 298

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