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May 15, 2021

Israel Punishes Media For Reporting Its Escalation In Palestine

Today is Nakba day which commemorates the violent expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians from their homes which began 74 years ago and is still continuing.

Just yesterday Fares Akram. Associated Press reporter in Gaza, wrote in a diary about his families expulsion and his life under colonist bombing:

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — On Friday morning, a military airstrike smashed my family’s farm in the northern Gaza Strip into a jagged mass of metal and splintered trees. An Israeli bomb had slammed into the yard, carving a crater into the dirt and leaving rubble in its wake.

The conflict, once again, hit home.

The first Gaza war taught me that while our lush citrus grove might offer some breathing space from the congestion and difficulties of city life, it’s no refuge. A previous Israeli airstrike killed my father, Akram al-Ghoul, on January 3, 2009. As fighting raged, he’d insisted on sleeping at the farm to tend to the cattle and chicken, and to nurture the trees.

In all, six of my relatives, three close friends and several colleagues have died in the three bloody wars and countless battles between Israel and Hamas. Each time the violence erupts and I report as a journalist on the people who lost their homes, their children or their lives, the memories creep back. I always think, “That could be me.” When the thundering bombs, buzzing drones and pounding artillery refresh the pain and trigger the old fear, I seek refuge in work.

The Associated Press office is the only place in Gaza City I feel somewhat safe. The Israeli military has the coordinates of the high-rise, so it’s less likely a bomb will bring it crashing down.

Today Fares Akram and Joseph Krauss report:

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli airstrike destroyed a high-rise building in Gaza City that housed offices of The Associated Press and other media outlets hours after another Israeli air raid on a densely populated refugee camp killed at least 10 Palestinians from an extended family, mostly children, on Saturday.

The strike on the high-rise came nearly an hour after the military ordered people to evacuate the 12-story building, which also housed Al-Jazeera, other offices and residential apartments. The strike brought down the entire structure, which collapsed in a gigantic cloud of dust. There was no immediate explanation for why it was attacked.

This was the second high rise housing media studios, offices, telecommunication equipment as well as residential apartments that Israel destroyed in its current attack.

Earlier today AP had accused the Israeli military of intentionally misinforming the media to trick the resistance in Gaza. (The trick did not work.)

In a statement AP's president condemned today's strike and wrote:

The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today.

Well, yes. The Israeli military will congratulate itself for achieving that aim.

Tow days ago I developed the idea that the resistance, Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Palestine, Hizbullah in Lebanon and Ansar Allah in Yemen, may be planing more of the events than a superficial view reveals:

While the conflict was, without doubt, started by the colonial occupiers the course of the recent escalation seems to be managed by the resistance side. It may well be part of a larger plan.
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While I am still not sure that all of this is part of a plan - from Hizbullah's speech, over unrest in Jerusalem, Gaza missiles, pogroms, to now missiles from Lebanon - it surely looks like a well rehearsed and coordinated (re-)action of the resistance front.

Since then more events seem to fit into the picture.

Yesterday and over night anti-Arab violence and Palestinian protests within Israel continued as new unrest unfolded in the West Bank where the occupation army killed at least 10 Palestinians.

Protesters in Jordan arrived at the border to the West Bank and tried to break through the border fence. Jordanian riot police held them back.

At the Lebanese border to Israel protesters crossed over from Lebanon into a disputed area when Israeli forces fired at them. One Lebanese man was killed and another wounded. Such death usually trigger the eye-for-an-eye rule that governs the relation between Hizbullah and the Israeli army. Hizbullah could have used the incident to escalate but didn't.

Also yesterday Hizbullah's Deputy Secretary General Naim Qassem visited Hamas and Islamic Jihad leadership in Lebanon. This is highly significant as Hamas had been on the wrong side of the war in Syria.

David A. Daoud translates what Naim Qassem said:

1-Hezbollah delegation, headed by Qassem and which included Politburo members Mahmoud Qmati and Hajj Hassan Hoballah, met w/PIJ Sec.Gen. Ziad Nakhala; Hamas leadership in Lebanon Usama Hamdan, Ali Barakeh, Ahmad Abdulhadi; discussed latest developments on Palestinian front
2-Qassem: We came on directions from Sec.Gen. Hassan Nasrallah to meet PIJ, Hamas leadership to confirm that we are with them, and w/Palestinian resistance, and people who now confront the Israeli enemy
3-Qassem: We know now we are in the phase of creating a new equation inside Palestine, which confirms the unity of the Palestinian lands, and the uprising (lit. movement) tying Jerusalem, the lands of '48 (i.e. Israel), West Bank, and Gaza
4-Qassem: this is happening evenly between these different parts of the Palestinian people, so the Israeli will understand that Palestinian people will not accept its occupation of any part of this land (i.e. entire land between Jordan River and Mediteranean)
5-Let them understand Jerusalem is holy of holies of all palestinians, but also all peoples of the region, world, of lovers and supporters of the Resistance, who believe in always focusing on Palestine; they are all in one trench and camp
6-Qassem: We can therefore say that today a new equation is being created in Palestine, and that question of Jerusalem today has assumed its full Palestinian dimension, in opposition to all normalization moves led by Israel, USA;
7-Qassem: this is beginning of burial of normalization, with blood and sacrifices of martyrs.
8-Qassem: Hezbollah is always w/ the Palestinian resistance, jihad of the Palestinian people, liberating Jerusalem; we are with them in material support, backing, solidarity in all paths; we will always carry out our duties as different stages and phases required
9-Qassem: We therefore stress that what Palestinian people and their viable leadership are doing is object of support and backing; in the end, we believe resistance is only solution, there is none other, despite efforts of different forces
10-Qassem: We don't bet on America, or great powers, or those who talk about political settlements; we bet on the living Palestinian youths, who are actively moving; anyone w/Palestine today must be w/ the resistance; whoever isn't w/Resistance isn't w/Palestine
11-Qassem: Palestine doesn't need fervent speeches, it needs jihad, martyrdom, and sacrifices

The resistance is united but it is still not clear if Hizbullah will actively join the fight. It may not yet be the right time.

Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai - 10:39 UTC · May 15, 2021

Palestinian groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad prefer that #Hezbollah doesn’t get involved in the battle now and allows the world focus to remain on #Gaza. Any outside intervention- I was told - serves #Israel to play the victim and disperse the attention away from the main cause.

Today Hizbullah called on its supporters in south Lebanon to protest at the border to Israel. Any small conflict there could escalate towards war within just a few hours.

 

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If we consider the zionazi destruction of the Gaza media center in the same light as the NATO bombing of Serbia's main TV station we should see that whilst yes they did slightly interrupt news flow to their self selected 'enemies', the gains in both cases are/were minimal and more importantly just as the bombing of SerbianTV occured late in the Nato bombing campaign, the zionazis, like Nato before them, bombed these news outlets simply because there were few other targets left.

The screeching pigs have obliterated nearly every tall building in Gaza, just as Nato had levelled every government building in Belgrade before they hit Serbia TV.
If the zionazis want to continue their genocide, they are going to have to blow up many more Gaza houses which even those pigs dimply comprehend as not being a good look. In fact it can be argued that the media center attack was brought about to divert world media from this horror where eight children all cousins, plus their mothers celebrating Eid in one cousin's home, were torn to shreds by a zionazi airstrike killing all bar a 5 month old baby who escaped with merely the loss of an eye.

If the people of Gaza continue to refuse to abase themselves by bending the knee to their oppressors, then there will be many more of these horror stories. Incidentally although the media have concentrated on the destruction of AP's Gaza newsroom, I noticed that the story of 8 children at play being shredded by the zionists has been reported on all major amerikan news outlets.

Even that scum can no longer conceal the ugliness that is the reality of Palestine's invasion & occupation.

The call for more martyrs (easy to make when not trapped in Gaza) indicates that Palestinians aren't ready to offer obeisance, which in turn tells us that the horror & bloodshed inflicted by these zionazi creeps is about to go up several notches.

I see nothing to be optimistic about, even though the zionists are bound to come out of this with a lot less amerikan friends than they went into it with. The fact that Palestinians have nothing to offer the conflict other than their lives and the lives of their children is an indictment of all humans everywhere outside Gaza.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 16 2021 4:05 utc | 101

I also think I saw in Taxi's article the information that Palestine has recorded and does record every atrocity and crime committed by Israel against its people and against the world's law. I didn't know this, but it strikes me as very important and a key part of the future.

As we look to the possible future and wonder where the current residents of the occupied territory will go, and how exactly this situation will come about, the speculation arises that not all of them will go. Some will be compelled to stay, and be tried for crimes, by Palestinian courts, according to UN law, and if found guilty they will be punished accordingly.

Israel knows well how it hunted the Nazis for its notion of justice. The specter of justice now being meted out by the Palestinians must be the Zionist's most terrible nightmare.

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I want to suggest that nothing that is happening now is intended specifically as a "message". There is no deep-dimensional chess being played. With commanders as superb as those who populate the Resistance, simple surface strategy and tactics are ample for the situation. The art of war will suffice here.

What looks like the beginning of a Palestinian campaign of liberation against its occupier, is in fact the beginning of a Palestinian campaign of liberation against its occupier. It will not end until victory. As in all campaigns, it will have its rhythms; we may even come to see seasons. But it has started and now will not stop.

Everything that went before was preparation, training and supply.

So, this campaign has little purpose in sending messages, other than the one that says, "the day is now at hand."

Hezbollah confirms, and Taxi states, and Magnier tells, that this is the march to liberation. It will take the time it takes. But it has only one goal, and only one end.

And I suggest that this will happen sooner than we might have thought. We live in a post-2020 world. Everything was turned upside down, and served to remind us how easily anything can be turned upside down.

And paper tigers, however they may posture, will have no say in how it plays. And I call the USA a paper tiger in this fight, completely overmatched by the realpolitik of the day in this region.

Poltical power will come out of the barrel of a gun. And Israel at some point will concede to that power, and seek terms.

This is the plan, it seems clear.

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 4:09 utc | 102

...reminds Associated Press that it has no real influence.

Posted by: dh | May 15 2021 21:22 utc | 46

I'm not so sure. As part of the establishment, AP regularly whitewashes Israel's crimes. Perhaps, just perhaps, they will be slightly less inclined to do so in the future.

Posted by: farm ecologist | May 16 2021 4:15 utc | 103

From Caitlin Johnstone;

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/05/13/fifteen-thoughts-on-palestine/

Posted by: vetinLA | May 16 2021 4:17 utc | 104

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 3:45 utc | 99

You are right. I went back to the original source, the link worked before I posted it. Now it is gone.

The story was, Italian dock workers have refused to work on ships with arms cargos and munitions bound for the bandit state.

They don't want that to get out, it might become popular around the world.

Posted by: Paul | May 16 2021 4:31 utc | 105

I was checking out Plato's guns. Here are a few good tidbits.
Laith Marouf with Eva Bartlett

The day i saw 2000 israeli soldiers crying

Posted by: lex talionis | May 16 2021 5:01 utc | 106

@105 Paul

It comes up under this link, top story in the "Labor Movement" section of the site:

Italian Dockers Stop Arms Shipment to Israel in Solidarity with Palestine

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 5:08 utc | 107

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 5:08 utc | 107

I have no idea if it's because I'm not in the USSA, but even your link has been frozen on "Loading..." for about a minute after attempting to follow it.

Maybe there is a coordinated slowdown on leftist websites. As of just now, it provided a 503 error "Service Unreachable"...so something is definitely happening there.

To vk and Gazza's earlier posts about Soviet Jews moving to Israel and then returning to the USSR, this is one of the links in the main link section I provided earlier from Yasha Levine's Substack. I think vk said his NYT article was from 1986, but the one cited here is from 1976.

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 5:08 utc | 107

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 5:16 utc | 108

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 5:08 utc | 107

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 5:16 utc | 108

Now it loaded. Very strange, very slow, but I can read it. Thanks.

To vk and Gazza's earlier posts and the 1976 NYT article I referenced, here's a link directly to a picture of the microfiche.

Soviet Jews Who Fled Israel Back to the USSR

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 5:22 utc | 109

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 5:08 utc | 107

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 5:16 utc | 108

It is now working. Strange, but who knows what's going on. The 503 error message said that the server was under maintenance or was receiving too many requests, but I managed to get it to load now. Thanks.

As to the 1976 NYT article on Soviet Jews who left Israel and then fled back to the USSR, here's a scan of the article. Apologies for the long URL.

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5d7e5df2-3238-471f-b21c-a1f8642e9f06_2024x1800.png

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 5:23 utc | 110

For the benefit of anyone who wasn't able to see Paul's original link or Grieved's correct link, here's the full text of the article about Italian stevedores refusing to offload weapons heading for Israel.

This Friday the Asiatic Island arrived in the port of Livorno, Italy. Thanks to the report of the Autonomous Collective of Port Workers of Genoa and the WeaponWatch association, the port workers, organized in L’Unione Sindacale di Base, learned that the ship was filled with weapons and explosives bound for the Israeli dock of Ashdod. These weapons and explosives would be used to kill Palestinians, who have already been hit by a brutal Israeli military offensive that has murdered hundreds of victims, including many children. The union announced shortly after that it would not allow this or any other maritime shipments of armaments to set sail for Israel.

The dockworkers’ unions in Italy are trying to gather more information about the shipments coming to their ports in order to prevent military supplies from arriving in Israel. Just yesterday they received a report about the presence of dozens of armored military vehicles ready to be loaded onto another ship, the Molo Italia.

This Saturday, the L’Unione Sindacale di Base will be in the streets of Livorno marching in solidarity with the Palestinian population to demand the immediate cessation of the bombing of Gaza and the evictions of Palestinians from their homes.

This example of workers’ solidarity, if multiplied and expanded internationally, could be powerful enough to stop the criminal attacks of the State of Israel against Palestine.

In the United States, the labor movement must take this example into its own hands and actively mobilize against the Biden administration’s policy of “unwavering support” and military aid for Israel and boycott any U.S. shipments of weapons destined to be used against the people of Palestine. We must take up the example of sectors of the labor movement that in 2008 took action in the U.S. against the imperialist war against Iraq. The international solidarity actions with Palestine called for this Saturday in the United States and around the world could be the beginning of an anti-imperialist movement in the heart of the U.S. empire, one that takes up the cause of the Palestinian people as its own. Unions must move from declarations and words to deeds and mobilize to demand an end to U.S. military aid to Israel and the bloody occupation of Palestine.

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 5:28 utc | 111

@106 lex talionis

Surreal clip from the wise woman in that 2nd link, crazy from all the gaslighting. Like Abe Lincoln, if you don't laugh you will weep.

So that's Israel's cry of horror at its own actions. She gets it. Most have it blanked out, for self protection.

It will be important to consider the subtleties in the times to come. Important to remember that the Jews in Israel are simply humans, but under a mind-bending framework of thinking.

In a way, they are closer to the truth than, say, many people in the US, for whom the old genocide is a century or two removed from today. Hard to say who abides with the greater crime, but it becomes apparent who feels the torment of it the most piercingly in these days.

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 5:30 utc | 112

Does anybody know any details of the ongoing ICC investigation? What`s the shedule for instance?

Posted by: m | May 16 2021 5:31 utc | 113

fawfafwa

Posted by: awdawfawfaw | May 16 2021 6:45 utc | 114

@Djazaïr | May 15 2021 23:54 utc | 68

In Jordan too, Petra. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/world-heritage/article/petra-jordan
Petra is one of the major megalithic sites in the world, much larger and much older than most think. Maybe the current developments can make people discover the real history of mankind, a history that began long before ancient Sumer or ancient Egypt. See this video Your Virtual Guide To Ancient Megalithic Petra In Jordan

Posted by: Norwegian | May 16 2021 7:01 utc | 115

My eyes are about to pop out of my head from non-stop trawling of news streams over the past 6 days.

Here's my current assessment of the Gaza war:

• No international flights.
• No oil tankers docking.
• Gas exports halted.
• Stock market crashing
• hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure damage
• Hundreds of millions of dollars required to replenish missile stocks.

For very little gain.

• A revolution (not a civil war - a revolution) and complete breakdown in trust between Arab and Jewish inmates of occupied Palestine.
• Seven Badr-3 rockets were launched towards West Jerusalem, 60km away from Gaza. One was intercepted, the other six found their targets.

To me, that is empirical a statistic enough to say Iron Dome has a 1 in 7 success rate. 90% effective my ass.

• The Knesset was holding a session yesterday, which was abruptly ended due to rockets landing nearby.
• Zionist MPs had to be evacuated from the building.

Political process and planning interrupted. Consensus denied. Hamas has effectively booked its seat in the israeli Knesset with missiles and it will have its say.

• Tel Aviv is under constant rocket fire, day and night.
• As are Sderot, Ashkelon, and other Zionist settlements.
• Normal life in Israel has come to a complete halt.
• All rail transport off schedule or not running.
• Meanwhile, Zionist healthcare facilities are seeing a huge influx of patients reporting psychological trauma due to fear and terror.

Those poor, delicate people! Long psych medication stawks!


• The Eilat-Ashkelon oil pipeline has been struck, a massive fire ensuing at an oil storage facility.
• Off-shore gas platforms have also been struck.
• 'israeli' military bases have been struck
• Chemical plants in ashkelon have been struck

Someone mentioned the Italian dockworkers union are preventing missile replenishments from moving onward to the port of Ashdod ... It seems the Italians still have their souls.

Will they be the only ones?

What happens when people with conscience, the working people who run the global logistics networks begin to lose, delay, refuse, or even take inconvenient "days off" when an urgent shipment to israel comes in ?

I wonder what happens when David's Sling, Rusty Dome and others run out of munitions for say ... 3 days ? 3 days may be all that's needed ... Isn't that all it took for Christ to die and resurrect?

• The Zionist city of Beersheba has been without electricity for a couple of days, after rockets struck the main power station of the city.

Meanwhile, the Zionist regime and the western media report a completely skewed version of events, to keep Israeli morale from plummeting

I'm cycling through sky, bbc, cnn, dw, wion (for a hindu nationalist perspective), israelnews24 and comparing with the rich, real information coming from Al Jazeera, TRT, Al Manar, SF and others ... Mostly shrill israeli self-justification and sophistry on the western channels where the apologists for colonialism are trotted out one by one to paint lipstick on the pig of empire

... mostly feeds of dying children, collapsing highrises, skies lit up with barrages of Hamas rockets on the middle eastern stations.

(PS. f**k you, Zerohedge, you worthless bumrag)

Frankly, if Hamas can keep this up for say ... 2 weeks? israel is finished as a state.

And then it occurs to me:

Even if israel is gone tomorrow and the zionists all scurry back to their holes in the Russian Autonomous Jewish Oblast ... The true occupier of Palestine, the Anglo American Empire, will soon be paying a visit with their bombs and their guns and their tanks ...

PS.: I found this gem:

"Israel will not negotiate a ceasefire before Hamas pays a price for its attacks, a senior Israeli official said on Tuesday."

Well, that brings back memories of 2006 ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 16 2021 7:25 utc | 116

Here are a couple of useful quotes.

'most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine.'

Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, author of 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine'


'Abrahamic covenant. The covenant made by God with Abraham (Gen. xii, 2,3, and xvii), interpreted to mean that the Messiah should spring from his seed. This promise was given to Abraham, because he left his father's house to live in A STRANGE LAND, as God told him.'

Brewers Dictionary of Phrase and Fable.

Posted by: Paul | May 16 2021 7:27 utc | 117

"China, as the president of the Security Council for May, has pushed the Council to hold two emergency consultations on the Palestine-Israel conflict, and has drafted a press statement, in a bid to guide the Council to take actions, he added.

But regrettably, the Council has so far failed to reach an agreement, with the United States standing on the opposite side of international justice, Wang said, urging all members of the Council to shoulder their due responsibilities and make effective efforts to maintain regional peace and security.

Third, Wang said, an ultimate way out of the Palestinian issue lies in the implementation of the two-state solution. China will host an open debate on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict at the UN Security Council Sunday, and expects all parties to make a unified voice on this issue.

China holds the opinion that the Security Council should reconfirm the two-state solution and urge Palestine and Israel to resume peace talks on the basis of the two-state solution as soon as possible, Wang added.

China will continue to firmly support the just cause of the Palestinian people to strive for the restoration of their legitimate national rights, support a just solution to the current issue through political dialogue, and support the UN, the League of Arab States and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation in playing a constructive role in this regard, Wang said."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1223552.shtml

Let's see if China can cool this off.

Posted by: Smith | May 16 2021 8:05 utc | 118

@fyi #56

Blake was a visionary who believed in love, peace and tranquility as the true message of Christ. Jerusalem is a metaphor for a city of love and peace. There is a good analysis here, except for me the third verse is not angry but impassioned. https://poemanalysis.com/william-blake/jerusalem/#:~:text=What%20did%20Blake%20mean%20by,Jerusalem%2C%20a%20metaphor%20for%20heaven.

Posted by: Tim | May 16 2021 8:13 utc | 119

Posted by: Smith | May 16 2021 8:05 utc | 117


China will continue to firmly support the just cause of the Palestinian people to strive for the restoration of their legitimate national rights, support a just solution to the current issue through political dialogue, and support the UN, the League of Arab States and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation in playing a constructive role in this regard, Wang said."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1223552.shtml

Let's see if China can cool this off.

China has an opportunity to win over a large portion of the Muslim world (well, that portion that is to any extent enthusiastic about the Palestinian cause) and certainly a large portion of average joe Muslims who support the Palestinian cause. If they play their cards right and if they can position themselves as the right kind of 'saviour' ...

That would go a long way to countering the whole Uighur propaganda theater the Anglo-American Empire is running by reducing the radicalising effect of that propaganda.

Well, in theory anyway ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 16 2021 8:16 utc | 120

@Arch Bungle | May 16 2021 7:25 utc | 115

Wow, what a summary. Is this really persistent and ongoing still?

Are all international flights still canceled? Rockets still reaching Tel Aviv?

I agree the news about Italian dock workers refusing to load weapons for Israel is very encouraging. Praise to them for doing the right thing!

Posted by: Norwegian | May 16 2021 8:18 utc | 121

fyi

data etc from the Al-Manar TV (website) as of May 14, 2021


http://middleeastobserver.net/report-on-israels-economic-losses-suffered-so-far-in-latest-conflict/

the economic losses incurred by the Zionist entity since the first day of operation “Sword of al-Quds” (as of May 14th 2021) are:

28% losses in the Tel Aviv stock market
26% of factories have completely shut down in the area around the Gaza strip, and 17% have partially suspended operations in the rest of the occupied territories.
More than 2,800 houses in the cities and settlements have been directly damaged.
The total cost of the military operation against Gaza has exceeded $250 million so far, averaging $50 million/day.
The operating cost of the Iron Dome has gone upwards of $60 million so far.
Flights have been shut down at the (Israeli) entity’s Ben Gurion and Ramon airports.
70% of schools and universities have closed throughout the occupied territories.
Economic activity has been paralyzed within territories witnessing a Palestinian Intifada in support of Gaza and al-Quds.

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 16 2021 8:24 utc | 122

Just dropping this comment to thank everyone (vk, fyi, djazair et al) for contributing to this rather enlightening thread. I just might be a bit smarter for reading through it all.

Posted by: Tranquiloquist | May 16 2021 8:41 utc | 123

Grieved @ 111

Surreal clip from the wise woman in that 2nd link, crazy from all the gaslighting

...and perhaps kinda ripped on that good Lebanese red? Israelis have a big appetite for Leb red and blonde, notwithstanding some meager socio-political attempts to thwart its usage.

Posted by: john | May 16 2021 9:47 utc | 124

Grieved @ 111

Surreal clip from the wise woman in that 2nd link, crazy from all the gaslighting

...and perhaps kinda ripped on that good Lebanese red? Israelis have a big appetite for Leb red and blonde, notwithstanding some meager socio-political attempts to thwart its usage.

Posted by: john | May 16 2021 10:20 utc | 125

@ Smith | May 16 2021 1:44 utc | 88

I have identified about 20 countries that Netanyahu claims in support to his "Jüdenstatt".
USA, Albania, Australia, Austria, Bosnia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Georgia, Germany, Guatemala, Italy, Netherlands, Macedonia, Paraguay, Slovenia, Ukraine, Uruguay.
Out of 197 countries on my wall map. That’s not much,probably abusive,and only refer to governments.

And we’re missing four permanent members of the Security Council, Africa, Asia, and almost all of the Mediterranean!

Posted by: Assurancetourix | May 16 2021 10:28 utc | 126

Norwegian @ 120

I agree the news about Italian dock workers refusing to load weapons for Israel is very encouraging

Yeah, near the port of Livorno is US Camp Darby, the largest US arsenal outside of the home country, and they've been shipping weapons to all the hot spots for years...

...still, good for the stevedores!

(I'm no longer able to post links at this tinpot blog, but check out articles by Manlio Dinucci at Global Research)

Posted by: john | May 16 2021 10:34 utc | 127

John Helmer's latest on Putin's Palestine problem. As is the case in USA, Canada, UK, etc, Russia has a powerful Israel lobby of great influence which apparently will not be denied. At least not by Vladimir Putin.


'Equivalence': Russia Tilts Towards Israel, Against Palestine

http://johnhelmer.net/equivalence-russia-tilts-towards-israel-against-palestine/#more-46376

"...This is the contradiction of President Vladimir Putin. It's a contradiction the General Staff, the intelligence agencies, the Defense and Foreign ministries are acutely aware of right now..."

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 16 2021 11:32 utc | 128

@55 fyi "Americans and Israelis would have been well-advised to have settled with PLO back in 1996"

You can't be serious.

Israel has no intention of ever reaching a final-status agreement with any Palestinian organization.
To do so would mean recognizing borders between the two resulting states = no more land grabs.

That is anathema to any Zionist.

Seriously, the word "settled" has only one definition in their vocabulary, and it ain't the one you were suggesting.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 16 2021 12:41 utc | 129

This all gets interesting within the context of Israel's failure of governance. If Netanyahu vanished, would it make any difference as to forming governments? I'm thinking no.

Meanwhile, the Vietnam/Taliban approach can defeat Israel, if the Palestinians can keep it up for years. Could Israel ever form a government out of Ultra-Orthodox and Joint List types - thereby ending the Zionist state? Who makes the babies? OTOH, who pays the Torah bums?

I have no doubt that Pelosi wasn't kidding when she said they would protect Israel even if the Capitol was in ruins. Congress passed financial help for Israel easily while Covid measures for the US people waited. Jerusalem Post said it 'sailed through".

Posted by: Eighthman | May 16 2021 12:50 utc | 130

Yeah, Right @May16 12:41 #130:

Israel has no intention of ever reaching a final-status agreement with any Palestinian organization.

Which makes Trump's "Deal of the Century" an ultimatum, not a peace initiative.

That's why I see Israel's goal as seizing the West Bank (for security reasons).

To do so, Israel would need to initiate violent clashes that would spiral into a full-fledged conflict. Isn't that what we've seen?

Furthermore, Netanyahu's statements (Hamas will "pay a heavy price") shows that Israel isn't interested in quelling the violence but in fueling it to the point that drastic action is justified.

PS Also see my comment @May16 2:15 #93.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 13:11 utc | 131

"A spokesman for the Israeli military said he would look into these reports."

This is the standard deflection by Israel.

It varies somewhat but is generally the same:
"A spokesman for the Israeli military said he would investigate."

The deflection was indelibly written in memory many years ago when I saw a video
of a Palestinian being strip searched and then suddenly the Palestinian was dead,
shot through the head. A Israeli general, according to the news report,
said an investigation was underway. What ever happens to these investigations ???

The quote above, "A spokesman for the Israeli military said he would look into these reports.", was scraped
from a current Reuters report - their main headline - "Israel air strikes kill 33 Palestinians, rockets fired from Gaza"

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You encounter these all the time.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-04-06/israeli-troops-kill-palestinian-driver-in-disputed-incident


Asked about the woman's account, an Israeli military spokesman said: "The attempted car-ramming attack carried out earlier this morning is being investigated by the commander of the Binyamin Regional Brigade."

And never read, "an investigation by the Israeli military has been completed..."

Posted by: librul | May 16 2021 13:12 utc | 132

Israeli strikes kill 33, topple buildings in Gaza City

Excerpts:

Israeli airstrikes on Gaza City flattened three buildings and killed at least 33 people Sunday, medics said, making it the deadliest single attack since heavy fighting broke out between Israel and the territory’s militant Hamas rulers nearly a week ago.

Israel appears to have stepped up strikes in recent days to inflict as much damage as possible on Hamas as international mediators try to broker a cease-fire. An Egyptian diplomat said Israel’s targeting of Hamas political leaders would complicate cease-fire efforts.

The latest outbreak of violence began in east Jerusalem last month, when Palestinian protests and clashes with police broke out in response to Israeli police tactics during Ramadan and the threatened eviction of dozens of Palestinian families by Jewish settlers. A focal point of clashes was the Al-Aqsa Mosque ...

At least 188 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, including 55 children and 33 women, with 1,230 people wounded. Eight people in Israel have been killed, including a 5-year-old boy and a soldier.

Hamas and other militant groups have fired some 2,900 rockets into Israel. The military said 450 of the rockets had fallen short or misfired, while Israeli air defenses intercepted 1,150. The interception rate appeared to have significantly dropped since the start of the conflict, when Israel said 90% were intercepted.

“The campaign will continue as long as it is required,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said.


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Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 13:24 utc | 133

All empires fall eventually, currently the US has started down that track, and I gather the Hezbollah believe Israel will also collapse of itself. Seems they are wisely exercising patience, so doubt they see this as the opportune time.

As to religious "end of days", what is interesting is that neither Buddha, Jesus nor Mohamed ever put pen to paper, we only had their followers write down what they "perceived" as being the teachings. Naturally if interested in forming a church or using religion as a power base then they would have recorded things to suit that purpose. In fact there is considerable evidence that is exactly what happened. For the most part the teachings attributed were all very spiritual, however the organized structures that followed were not.

The current Jewish religion is a relatively new version, the writings in their Kabbala show that they once viewed the universe very differently and certainly did not believe in an anthropomorphic God. Is that what Jesus was trying restore? He clearly stated he was only here for the Jews.

This cycle of humanity will (mostly) end at the appropriate time just like previous ones did, but it is still far off in the future, as is the expectations of another actual prophet turning up. That the religious zealots try to force events to fit their silly narratives is the real danger.

Posted by: Gravel Rash | May 16 2021 13:34 utc | 134

@104 I may be wrong but my understanding of AP is that it's just a non-profit news gathering agency. It relays news to various media organizsations. That's when editors decide what to publish and how to spin it to their readers.

Posted by: dh | May 16 2021 13:44 utc | 135

please delete
K_C_ | May 16 2021 5:22 utc | 110

It messes up the thread

Posted by: Norwegian | May 16 2021 13:56 utc | 136

Mr. Yeah, Right | May 16 2021 12:41 utc | 130

I agree.

I was suggesting that Americans and Israelis only have themselves to blame for having turned a struggle over land into one of religions.

Posted by: Fyi | May 16 2021 14:12 utc | 137

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 13:11 utc | 132

That's why I see Israel's goal as seizing the West Bank (for security reasons).
To do so, Israel would need to initiate violent clashes that would spiral into a full-fledged conflict. Isn't that what we've seen?

My understanding is that the zionist regime has (already) seized the West Bank since 1967. Has something changed ?

Unless you mean annex?

I don't think that's the plan, nothing has changed the situation which led to their initial dis-engagement from the W.B after full control.

In fact, the W.B is now more of a handful than it was more than 30 years ago during the first and second intifadas, they still need the PNA to control it, they cannot manage it on their own, especially given current conditions.

I think the regime has realised they cannot even count on their own Arab israeli 'citizens', let alone take on direct control of a 4 million strong holocaust camp.

The only condition under which israel can fully absorb the W.B and Gaza is a complete eradication of the existing population. Either Nakba 2.0 or a genocide.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 16 2021 14:19 utc | 138

Hamas is now adopting IDF tactics:


23:25 Palestinian resistance calls for an immediate evacuation of Moshe Aviv tower (68 floors) in Tel Aviv

(lifted from Al Manar T.V: https://english.almanar.com.lb/1340770)

I can see how this kind of thing could catch on ... Maybe they wouldn't have to fire anything at all ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 16 2021 14:26 utc | 139

Arch Bungle @May16 14:19 #139

Unless you mean annex?

Yes, annex.

Isn't the "Deal of the Century" (DOTC) a stepping-stone to full annexation and expelling of Palestinians?

As the "deal" has been rejected, why wouldn't we expect them to go straight to the final outcome (annex and expel)?

I find it strange that there is no mention of any possible connection of this Israeli-instigated conflict to DOTC.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 14:52 utc | 140

Mr. Tim | May 16 2021 8:13 utc | 120

I would not dispute the good intentions of late Mr. Blake.

The point I was hoping to make was how our present situation goes back to ideas of Protestants of the British Isles: that America as the New Jerusalem & "the City on the Hill" were transplanted ideas.


Posted by: Fyi | May 16 2021 14:57 utc | 141

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 14:52 utc | 141


Isn't the "Deal of the Century" (DOTC) a stepping-stone to full annexation and expelling of Palestinians?
As the "deal" has been rejected, why wouldn't we expect them to go straight to the final outcome (annex and expel)?

I suspect this was just another vainglorious attempt by the Trump clan to make a name for themselves, one which Netanyahoo played along with for maximum air play.

I can't see any material results from that particular song and dance, neither how it brought the regime any closer to full control of the W.B.

If they truly wanted the West Bank, the solution would be quite simple: Just take it, there is little need for elabourate pirouettes along the way. After all, nobody would stop them (other than Hamas).

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 16 2021 15:10 utc | 142

michaelj72 | May 16 2021 8:24 utc | 123

While I'd be happy if these statistics were true, I'm highly dubious. The first one is obviously false: Since the first Hamas rocket attack (May 10) the Tel Aviv stock exchange has fallen by less than 9%
(May 10: 2389; May 14: 2182), a far cry from the claimed 28%. Or am I missing something?

Posted by: corvo | May 16 2021 15:32 utc | 143

@ Arch Bungle | May 16 2021 14:19 utc | 139
@ Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 14:52 utc | 141


The only condition under which israel can fully absorb the W.B and Gaza is a complete eradication of the existing population. Either Nakba 2.0 or a genocide.

Deal of the Century was not stupid or "another vainglorious attempt by the Trump clan to make a name for themselves"

It was a negociated 3D-Nakba , with an Arab alliance to outsource the Palestinians. Attracting the next generation with $, education, jobs, citizenship and a no-more-Palestinian future. It was a real estate XXth Century project [for and by real estate fake agents] . They just have to mislead perhaps 2 or 3 million people 18 to 35 years old. They will try again [Etihad and Emirates maintained flights to Ben Gourion until yesterday]

The Palestinians just don't buy it. Many of them prefer SILENTLY to go study, be back to Gaza and build missiles!

And, even if corpses are piling in Gaza, genocide is no more a final solution.

Somebody will understand that "Jüdenstatt" is a XIXth century dead end project.
And cut the rope as De Gaulle did in 1961.

Finally, relocating 3 million Zionists could be the easiest Deal of the XXIst Century.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 16 2021 16:09 utc | 144

@ Arch Bungle | May 16 2021 14:19 utc | 139
@ Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 14:52 utc | 141


The only condition under which israel can fully absorb the W.B and Gaza is a complete eradication of the existing population. Either Nakba 2.0 or a genocide.

Deal of the Century was not stupid or "another vainglorious attempt by the Trump clan to make a name for themselves"

It was a negociated 3D-Nakba , with an Arab alliance to outsource the Palestinians. Attracting the next generation with $, education, jobs, citizenship and a no-more-Palestinian future. It was a real estate XXth Century project [for and by real estate fake agents] . They just have to mislead perhaps 2 or 3 million people 18 to 35 years old. They will try again [Etihad and Emirates maintained flights to Ben Gourion until yesterday]

The Palestinians just don't buy it. Many of them prefer SILENTLY to go study, be back to Gaza and build missiles!

And, even if corpses are piling in Gaza, genocide is no more a final solution.

Somebody will understand that "Jüdenstatt" is a XIXth century dead end project.
And cut the rope as De Gaulle did in 1961.

Finally, relocating 3 million Zionists could be the easiest Deal of the XXIst Century.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 16 2021 16:12 utc | 145

Arch Bungle @May16 15:10 #143

I can't see any material results from that particular song and dance ...

In other words, "There's no evidence!" that warrants a cynical view? LOL. HOW DARE WE question the motives of those that rule us./sarc

I think you should judge the intent by the 'material results' of Trump's other gifts to Israel/Netanyahu:

  1. Moving US embassy to Jerusalem;
  2. Recognizing Golan Heights as Israeli territory;
  3. Occupying Syrian oil fields (war of attrition);
  4. Belligerence toward Iran (notably, the killing of Gen. Soleimani);
  5. "Abraham Accords": pressuring Gulf Arab States to recognize Israel.

Was Trump's gift just a one-off from the asinine Trump? Nope. The Biden Administration has quietly gone along with all of it even as Biden is depicted as bad for Israel.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 16:24 utc | 146

May there is something different at play.

Hamas has been a creation of the Israeli security service to split the Palestinians peoples voice which has had the desired effect.

Hamas attacks now and in the past are completely useless from any strategic and even tactical point, as all thy did was to strengthen the stranglehold of Israel, and after every major attack by Hamas the result was a gain for the settlers.

Hamas as Netanyahu are in trouble in the upcoming elections, leading in the case of Hamas to a postponement of the elections.
So what better to gain any popular support than by Netanyahu playing the tough guy and Hamas showing how actually ineffektiv their rockets are but showing how "determined" they are by reacting "fiercely" to the actions by the Israeli security forces, from the evictions of the Palestinians from their Jerusalem houses to the attacks on the mosques (of course with nary a word from the west, imagine Muslims had attacked the Cologne Cathedral).

To my mind there is no doubt that Netanyahu was behind the timing, and giving Hamas the opportunity to show off and furthering the process of dispossessing what is left of Palestine.

Call me a tinfoil hatter, but that play makes more sense that Hamas is playing into Israels hands by actually being a Israeli fifth column. Their - Hamas - actions as pointed out always had a detrimental effect on the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank

Posted by: Peter Moritz | May 16 2021 16:44 utc | 147

Mr. Peter Moritz | May 16 2021 16:44 utc | 147

And the martyrdom of the late Sheikh Yassin had been staged as well?

Yes, you are a tin foil.

Posted by: Fyi | May 16 2021 16:53 utc | 148

thanks for the many comments on this thread... thanks djazair for the gilad aztmon article....

from pauls post... i liked this so i am quoting it again..

"'most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine.'

Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, author of 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine'

Posted by: james | May 16 2021 16:58 utc | 149

Mr. Djazaïr | May 16 2021 16:12 utc | 145

Would Germany, France, Russia, Romania, Ukraine, Hungary, Belgium want those Jews to settle in there?

Given the existing anti-Semitic sentiment among Europeans, I highly doubt it.

Would US, Canada, Australia welcome them? May be, but not in large numbers.

Posted by: Fyi | May 16 2021 16:58 utc | 150

@Posted by: Fyi | May 16 2021 16:53 utc | 148

Just because someone gets killed (maybe he wasn't compliant) doesn't mean my conjectures can be dismissed out of hand. After all, the US creation Al Qaeda and ISIS also suffered some losses by the US but still are held in storage in Syria by the US for further actions:

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

Posted by: Peter Moritz | May 16 2021 18:22 utc | 151

Now Israel even brag about their lust-filled killing intentions:

Netanyahu says Israel wants to 'degrade' Hamas' will, warns campaign will continue
https://www.foxnews.com/world/netanyahu-israel-degrade-hamas

Lousy arab states, western states and Russia for abiding Israel. Only Iran have spoken out like any normal state would do in this situation.

Posted by: Zanon | May 16 2021 18:52 utc | 152

Mr. Peter Moritz | May 16 2021 18:22 utc | 151

A conjecture may certainly be dismissed as highly unlikely based on one's model of how the world works.

Please stick to your tinfoil.

Posted by: fyi | May 16 2021 20:23 utc | 153

Now, we may see Hamas put to the test. Can they overwhelm Iron Dome by numbers in a strike or by chaff/decoys or by ground hugging missiles OR..... by calculating how many Iron Dome missiles
Israel has on the shelf. This will be interesting.

Posted by: Eighthman | May 16 2021 21:35 utc | 154

@ fyi... you're an unlikely example to be telling others to stick to their tinfoil.. it 's very ironic coming from you!

Posted by: james | May 16 2021 22:00 utc | 155

@ Fyi | May 16 2021 16:58 utc | 150

We were 2 million "pieds noirs" back to continental France in 62.
Most of us not really french [and probably 20% algerian roots jews].

Not welcomed, but...

Somebody must cut the rope when the too heavy stone endanger the boat.

Not exactly similar but a good historical experience :

As De Gaulle said, that was indépendance or France will be quickly 50% Arab [always demographics].


"Vous croyez que le corps français peut absorber dix millions de musulmans, qui demain seront vingt millions et après-demain quarante? Si nous faisions l'intégration, si tous les Arabes et les Berbères d'Algérie étaient considérés comme Français, comment les empêcherez-vous de venir s'installer en métropole, alors que le niveau de vie y est tellement plus élevé? Mon village ne s'appellerait plus Colombey-les-Deux-Églises, mais Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées."

Cut the rope!

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 16 2021 22:30 utc | 156

@ Fyi | May 16 2021 16:58 utc | 150

Germany will accept anything and all the bunch!


Wir schaffen das!

Posted by: Bernard F. | May 16 2021 22:36 utc | 157

Associated Press and Al-Jazeera were "legitimate" military targets

As reported in Israeli media [jpost]


In recent years, the IDF has identified a trend – that Hamas will move its activists into the many kilometers of tunnels under Gaza in times of emergency – and has developed a plan for turning the tunnels into a death trap for Hamas combatants

When Izi military decided to announce a ground intervention [in order to quickly pound the tunnel with 350+  bunker's bomb],  they don't have the guts to send a real batallion with rolling coffin Merkava and 2000 pamperized Golanis.

They bet on MEDIA. Unfortunately, AP and Al-Jazeera have reporter on ground in Gaza and Israel. They just did the basic thing, and reported the debunked false flag.

Since Gulf War 2, non-embedded journalists are military targets.
Hôtel Palestine in Bagdad was 18 years ago.

On April 8, 2003, an American tank fired a shell on the hotel , killing two journalists, Reuters cameraman Taras Protsyuk and José Couso of Telecinco Spanish television. Three journalists were wounded.

Posted by: Assurancetourix | May 16 2021 23:24 utc | 158

Bernard F.

Then Germans be fools.

Neither Judaism, in its Orthodox form, nor Islam. (Certainly in its Sunni forms) are compatible with Western Civilization, in my opinion.

European states will be facing decades of social malaise because of the migrations of Sunni Muslims into Europe.

But, then again, better you than us.

Posted by: Fyi | May 17 2021 0:01 utc | 159

Mr. Bernard F. | May 16 2021 22:36 utc | 157

Americans cannot cut the rope and be free, that would mean that an entire stream of Protestant Theology
Has been wrong over 200 years.

Nope, they will go and support their pieds noirs to the bitter end.

The late de Gaulle saw the futility of trying to keep Algeria when Muslims there had rejected
France and the Western Civilization the core state of which was France.

I cannot see France moving into future with all those plebian Sunni Muslims.

Those Muslims that could assimilate Western Rationalism, I should like to state, could become decaffeniated Frenchmen.

A very good one, at that.

The rest, I am afraid, will remain unassimilated for many centuries.

Posted by: Fyi | May 17 2021 0:11 utc | 160

Mr. Djazaïr | May 16 2021 22:30 utc | 156

My apologies sir, my last comment was meant for you.

I would like to add that the Sabra Israelis despise the United States; she is a decadent goyim fit only to be manipulated and used by Jews.

They actually like Germany.

Posted by: Fyi | May 17 2021 0:16 utc | 161

Mr. Assurancetourix | May 16 2021 23:24 utc | 158

The first casualty of War is Truth.

And would knowing that Truth have made any difference in 1914?

Or in 2002, when Americans began their generational campaign to destroy enemies of Israel?

Men are in the State of Fall, as my Christian friend would say, and, additionally, they like War.

Posted by: Fyi | May 17 2021 0:20 utc | 162

IIRC,
Trump kept Israel armed and Iranian supported factions at bay.
I’m not even making a statement on Israel/Palestine
I’m just saying the tanks weren’t rollin into Gaza under Trump.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | May 17 2021 3:17 utc | 163

I was encourged to see this article in msm which was not 100% supportive of Israels actions.

https://pagesix.com/2021/05/16/israel-blasts-bella-hadid-for-joining-pro-palestinian-march/?_ga=2.254100111.66091409.1621220826-715003807.1616722074

Posted by: jared | May 17 2021 3:24 utc | 164

Ms. Cadence Calls | May 17 2021 3:17 utc | 163

Mr. Trump shredded the cease fire deal with Iran and resumed US Judeo-Christians War
against enemies of Israel, this time through economic means, another Forever War that will not
be terminated any time soon, if at all.

He screwed the Jews, eliminating any possibility of Peace between Israel and Muslim countries.

He made certain that all bridges to Iran from the United States are burnt, as Judeo-Christians hatred
for that country is well-known.


Posted by: Fyi | May 17 2021 3:26 utc | 165

In Zionist MSM...
Deception in the deceptions
IDF is undermining trust with media and it will hurt Israel


Thursday night just after midnight, the IDF tweeted in English that “IDF air and ground troops are currently attacking in the Gaza Strip.”[...]
The problem was that troops had not crossed the border. They remained in Israel. [...]
The foreign media in Israel felt like it had been duped, that the IDF had intentionally misled it to fool Hamas into thinking that a ground invasion had begun, so its forces would enter the tunnels.[...]
And they might be right.
Hours later on Saturday, the Air Force bombed a tower in Gaza that is home to the offices of the Associated Press and Al Jazeera.[...]

Someone needs to explain what is happening here.
Unfortunately, no one is – and this is not the first time the IDF has failed to anticipate what its actions would look like internationally.

https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/idf-is-undermining-trust-with-media-and-it-will-hurt-israel-opinion-668323

Posted by: Assurancetourix | May 17 2021 6:10 utc | 166

@Fyi (161)

the Sabra Israelis despise the United States; she is a decadent goyim fit only to be manipulated and used by Jews.
They actually like Germany.

That's a surprise for me at least.
Maybe this isn't representative of the Israeli population as a whole (and you might probably see it differently), but I remember visiting a few Israeli news networks like YNetNews, Israeli News Network, Algemeiner and JPost and reading the comment sections - if the article talked about anything in Germany that is seen as harmful to Israeli/Jewish interests or safety, there would be a number of comments accusing Germany and/or the German people of being Nazis, or insufficiently pro-Israel at best.
Case in point, back in 2017 there was news of a synagogue in Germany being damaged in some way (arson?) and the perpetrators being arrested, and one commentator remarked he/she was surprised that the criminals were not given medals.
Another example is the meme that Angela Merkel invited in the Middle Eastern "refugees" in an attempt to finish off the Jewish population.
Suffice it to say, I pretty much stopped reading those sites in late 2017 after reading an article on The American Conservative discussing AIPAC and Israel's role in the USA's wars, so I haven't seen if anything had changed with the readership of those four Israeli news sites.

On another note, I'm afraid I am not well-versed on what 'Sabra Israelis' means - care to elaborate?

Posted by: joey_n | May 17 2021 8:55 utc | 167

Hamas has been doing the same thing since 2007 when it came to power (with a two year interruption) with the result of diminishing Palestinian territory, disproportional to Israel suffering of the civil population, lack of any success against the military or Israeli infrastructure or the will by Israel to negotiate any settlement. Rather the opposite happened, playing ALWAYS into Netanyahus hands.

Now any intelligent person in Hamas would conclude neither strategy - which Hamas does not seem to have planned out, at least not one that makes sense towards Israel -nor tactics that achieve nothing but leading to the demise of mostly innocent citizens.

A efficiently working leadership in actuality representing and aiming to achieve whatever its goals are can be expected after almost continuous failure to finally admit whatever it is doing is detrimental to the well being of the population it represents and pledged to be working for, to scrutinize its past actions severely and in depth, do a honest assessment and change. But - nothing changes.

In light of that one can conclude with some confidence that after 15 years of rinse repeat either the Hamas leadership is incompetent, insane or just a tool of Israel.

And it does not need any conspiracy theory to come to this assessemnt in the light of facts.

Posted by: Peter Moritz | May 17 2021 9:36 utc | 168

@168 "In light of that one can conclude with some confidence that after 15 years of rinse repeat either the Hamas leadership is incompetent, insane or just a tool of Israel."

Or you could conclude that they have been placed in an impossible, no-win situation.

You could, for example, equally conclude that the partisans who led the Warsaw Uprising were either incompetent, insane, or just a tool of Nazi Germany.
Or you could conclude that they were placed in a hopeless situation; damned if the did, and damned if they didn't, so they decided to go down swinging.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 17 2021 10:31 utc | 169

Yeah, Right | May 17 2021 10:31 utc | 169


"damned if the did, and damned if they didn't, so they decided to go down swinging."

The question is: how many of the population in Gaza want to go down swinging? Did Hamas aver ask for THAT?
And this one track tactic obviously did not work for the last 15 years, and surely you know the definition of insanity?

Posted by: Peter Moritz | May 17 2021 12:00 utc | 170

@170 I'm hearing lots of trash-talking from you, but no alternatives. How odd. Almost as if you just want them to slink away and die.

"And this one track tactic obviously did not work for the last 15 years, and surely you know the definition of insanity?"

Oh, we are trotting out the homilies now, are we? Somehow seems fitting that you would chose a Jewish notable for yours.

I prefer Gandhi. Try this one:
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won.
There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall.
Think of it; always."

And if you think that laughable proposition, well, I got another one for you:
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."


Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 17 2021 12:12 utc | 171

Ms. joey_n | May 17 2021 8:55 utc | 167

Sabra indicates any Jew born in Israel.

There is an article on it in Wikipedia.

Yes, the unrequited Love of Judeo-Christians...

Posted by: fyi | May 17 2021 13:11 utc | 172

Mr. Peter Moritz | May 17 2021 9:36 utc | 168

You be wrong again.

HAMS has been transformed over the years; from a primarily emotion-driven organization to a mean lean fighting machine.

Israelis taught them how to fight, Iranian taught them how to think about fighting.

Politically, they are on the map, and this latest battle with Israel demonstrates that.

They also have eroded support for PA - they are the only Palestinains fighting for Palestine.

Posted by: fyi | May 17 2021 13:15 utc | 173

Posted by: Peter Moritz | May 17 2021 12:00 utc | 170


The question is: how many of the population in Gaza want to go down swinging? Did Hamas aver ask for THAT?
And this one track tactic obviously did not work for the last 15 years, and surely you know the definition of insanity?

A couple of things:

Firstly:

You speak of Hamas as if it was some separate force that landed in Gaza from outer space. As if, like the ruling classes of the zionist regime',
it had been transplanted there from an alien culture to rule over "the population".

Do you realise that there is no separation between the two?

Hamas are the little boys and girls who, at age 8, 10 maybe saw their families blown to bits by the IDF 15 or more years ago. They *are* "the population of Gaza".

So, to answer your (perhaps metaphorical) questions:

It looks like quite a sizeable part of the Gazan civilian population want to 'go down swinging'.
They most certainly must have asked that question. The answer is quite clear.

Secondly:

You say "go down swinging" as if it's actually possible to defeat Hamas. It is not. Nobody is going down swinging in Gaza this century at least.
That's because even if you erased every single Hamas operative in Gaza, their children will emerge to become the new Hamas.

The IDF could opt to try the kind of genocide that would guarantee that not even children are left to assume the mantle of the resistance.
There are 2 million people in Gaza at last estimate, here is their age structure:

0-14 years: 42.53% (male 418,751/female 397,013)
15-24 years: 21.67% (male 210,240/female 205,385)
25-54 years: 29.47% (male 275,976/female 289,277)
55-64 years: 3.66% (male 36,409/female 33,731)
65 years and over: 2.68% (male 27,248/female 24,191) (2020 est.)

So, almost 60% fighting age girls and boys. By the time the IDF has butchered 50% of these children, israel will be a smoking crater in Palestine. Nobody will stand for it.

It's an all or nothing proposition: Either israel finishes the job, or it leaves behind a hyper-radicalised youthful population who within 5 to 10 years will be firing
modernised missiles funneled in via Egyptian sympathisers and the Mediterranean sea from Iran.

It is literally impossible, despite israel's massive military power to eradicate 1 million or youths from the strip in a meaningful period of time without risking game changing consequences.

Thirdly:

You speak about "one track tactic" and call it insanity. Does that also apply to the one-track tactic the IDF has been using for more than 30 years?

It should be clear that the IDF is stuck in it's own losing game, always stopping short of the "final solution" because it realises that way lies doom,
never able to go all the way, only ever being able to commit massacres before being pulled back from the brink. THAT is insanity.

At least Hamas has an excuse: They're acting defensively.

Fourth:

You are of the mistaken opinion that "tactic obviously did not work for the last 15 years".
In fact it has worked quite well, given the circumstances. In that time, Hamas has proven that:

- It can maintain the balance of power and hold ground against the IDF (by one means or another, military being only one)
- It can sustain, organise, at some level, the population of Gaza, even under the extreme conditions of zionist siege. No small feat.
- It can develop it's deterrent power, by some means or another (including foreign assistance) to the extent that after 15 years of siege it is now able to strike Tel Aviv, IDF military airports, civilian airports.
- It can inspire support of the majority of the Palestinian people, even those on the West Bank and other places. i.e it has broad appeal, as it did 15 years ago when the Anglo-Zionist empire refused to accept the results of the first democratic election ever held in modern Palestine.

Most of all, when in the near future the israeli regime is forced to sit at an equal table with the Palestinians, Hamas will be at the head of that table as the only truly empowered representatives of the Palestinian people. Fatah, and the empty, shrivelled golem that leads it, will be irrelevant.

In the meantime, the clock is running out for the zionist entity. Only one reason being that it's clear israel cannot trust it's own Arab population anymore (the enemy is all around them now).

Not bad. Not bad at all.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 13:34 utc | 174

Arch bungle wrote:

"It looks like quite a sizeable part of the Gazan civilian population want to 'go down swinging'."

The point Perter is making is that they are doing exactly what the IDF and the Zionists wants them to do.
If the Palestinians would take a non-violent approach Israel would have no choice but to face their own criminal behavior.

Posted by: jinn | May 17 2021 14:04 utc | 175

Smith | May 15 2021 18:13 utc | 17

What were in those buildings that they have to bomb them anyway? Seems really ridiculous.

News agencies, Al Jazeera, AP, AFP and maybe others I wot not of. It looks like they were afraid that they would spread too much truth around and had to be warned.

Posted by: foolisholdman | May 17 2021 14:15 utc | 176

Posted by: jinn | May 17 2021 14:04 utc | 175


The point Perter is making is that they are doing exactly what the IDF and the Zionists wants them to do.

There is no logical or evidentiary basis that this is their intent.

The historical pattern demonstrates that the contrary is true: i.e The zionist regime has been most effective in achieving their aims when the Palestinian population has been at their most passive.


If the Palestinians would take a non-violent approach Israel would have no choice but to face their own criminal behavior.

LOL! In what court? There is no court on earth that will be allowed to convict them.

The defining characteristic of the zionist occupation is it's willingness to use brutal methods against non-violent masses.
Passivity will only result in a second Nakba.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 14:24 utc | 177

Fyi | May 15 2021 18:21 utc | 19

Why should Chinese and Russians say anything about the religious war in Palestine?

They have no dog in that fight among Judeo-Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

Because this is a very visible example of the US Empire and its vassal bullying a poor defenceless population, while accusing the Chinese and the Russians of oppressing and abusing the UYghurs and Navalny to a much lesser extent.
This war has clearly very little to do with religion and everything to do with geopolitics and Oil.

Posted by: foolisholdman | May 17 2021 14:26 utc | 178

Mr. foolisholdman | May 17 2021 14:26 utc | 178

They need not say anything in any case - the world is observing.

Posted by: fyi | May 17 2021 14:28 utc | 179

Mr. Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 14:24 utc | 177

Without a doubt passivity will get you walked all over.

Posted by: fyi | May 17 2021 14:30 utc | 180

The point Perter is making is that they are doing exactly what the IDF and the Zionists wants them to do.

There is no logical or evidentiary basis that this is their intent.
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So what? Regardless of what the intent may be the goal of achieving victory by force is exactly what the Zionists want.
Do you think the Zionists are not fully aware that they are creating a situation where the only eventual outcome that
can possibly be is the complete annihilation of one side or the other?

Posted by: jinn | May 17 2021 14:54 utc | 181

Maybe if they moved the Uiyghurs to Gaza. Surely then the world would care about bombing Muslims.

Posted by: Eighthman | May 17 2021 15:19 utc | 182

Arch Bungle @May17 14:24 #177

There is no logical or evidentiary basis that this is their intent.

I set out the logical basis @May16 13:11 #132 and in my reply to you @May16 14:52 #141 and @May16 16:24 #146.

This is an Israeli-instigated crisis coming after the Trump-Netanyahu ultimatum (aka "Deal of the Century") was rejected by the Palestinians.

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LOL! In what court? There is no court on earth that will be allowed to convict them.

Non violent methods appeal to the Court of Public Opinion as Human Rights abuses are an affront to all of us.

However, Israel and her friends and allies have done everything they can to control the narrative and sideline BDS. In so doing, they ignore these wise words: Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 17 2021 15:28 utc | 183

Eighthman @May17 15:19 #182

Excellent point.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 17 2021 15:29 utc | 184

@Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 13:34 utc | 175

"You speak about "one track tactic" and call it insanity. Does that also apply to the one-track tactic the IDF has been using for more than 30 years?

It should be clear that the IDF is stuck in it's own losing game, always stopping short of the "final solution" because it realises that way lies doom,
never able to go all the way, only ever being able to commit massacres before being pulled back from the brink. THAT is insanity."

Yes, of course it is, but Israel has the better odds when responding to a bunch of rockets by Hamas that seem to be as powerful as a box of new years firecrackers. The most damge I have seen from this more annoying than fearsome weapon is a few broken windows and a damaged car or two while Israel responds with extracting a death toll in the 1:20 range.

So, why bother when you poke with a finger and get back a fist into the face? What is that tactic to achieve, a tactic that has its most visible effect in bleeding the Palestinians and helping the expropriation of Palestinian assets, the destruction of businesses and the kettling of a whole population. Qui Bono?
Definitely not the Palestinian population.

So isn't it time to ask to look for a different methodology to either have Israel concede to the creation of a viable Palestinian Nation or - the granting of equal and effective citizenship in a secular nation?

Posted by: Peter Moritz | May 17 2021 16:46 utc | 185

"Normalization" has failed. "Israel" proved it only meant the
normalization of their crimes.

I used to think that Hamas was playing into the hands and plans
of the zionists, and not all that long ago either, but now even if that
should be true (and I don't think it is) it has become irrelevant.

(And apart from one Austrian cuckoo squawking louder than his fellow
cuckoos; who or what has "Israel" gained?)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 17 2021 17:04 utc | 186

Peter Mortiz what happens to a person who punches people in the face every
time they are tapped on their shoulder?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 17 2021 17:09 utc | 187

Sunny Runny Burger | May 17 2021 17:09 utc |


"what happens to a person who punches people in the face every
time they are tapped on their shoulder?"

Look at the USA history...so far they did all the punching even without being tapped on the shoulder..and everyone in NATO country applauding

Posted by: Peter Moritz | May 17 2021 18:50 utc | 188

Has anyone besides me noticed the liberal (!) quantity of tears being shed lately by The Guardian over the Palestinian plight? Yup, the same folks who were hurling fistfuls of smear and invective against Jeremy Corbyn for being sympathetic to . . . the Palestinian plight even long after they'd helped hound him out of the Labour Party leadership (and, for all intents and purposes, out of the Labour Party).

I have no doubt as to the utter insincerity of this apparent "change of heart." What it represents, if anything, is a recognition that it needs to pander to the innate sense of justice of those superannuated wannabe Spice Girls and Beyoncé boys who constitute their core readership -- and that its usual obsession with real or imagined antisemitism wouldn't be, for the time being at least, terribly effective or even well received.

Posted by: corvo | May 17 2021 18:59 utc | 189

@162&173 Fyi
You seriously claim Israelis like Germany??

Posted by: m | May 17 2021 21:10 utc | 190

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/the-real-threat-to-modern-israel/

The big question is how a civil war could erupt between secular Israelis and the Ultra Orthodox. Forget the Palestinians, they can be freely killed or walled off and no one will stop that. However, they could add fuel to a civil breakdown.
Anyone who is offended by Israel's behavior can take comfort in the fact that they are paying an increasingly heavy price as extremists won't work or support the army. Looking at voting blocks, I don't see any way this changes. Add to that the fact that they
would need a strong government to deal with the Haredi problem and they are going in the opposite direction. The Haredi are often a law unto themselves as with Covid behavior.

Posted by: Eighthman | May 17 2021 21:18 utc | 191

Mr. m | May 17 2021 21:10 utc | 191

Yes, most definitely.

Berlin is full of Israeli Ph.D. scientists.

Posted by: fyi | May 17 2021 21:35 utc | 192

It is at best inaccurate to say that Israel (or Israelis) like Germany.

Much closer to the mark would be to say that they find Germany useful.

Posted by: corvo | May 17 2021 21:49 utc | 193

Mr. corvo | May 17 2021 21:49 utc | 194

You be wrong.

They like Germany, her discipline, her dryness, and they like Berlin because it is a cosmopolitan city and is not a Jewish city.

They think US is decadent.

Posted by: fyi | May 17 2021 22:00 utc | 194

Two events of note today.

First, Biden has just authorised $735M of extra munitions for Israel. Presumably to replaced depleted stocks. From memory the US has a large quantity in bonded stores already in Israel.

Second, the Leviathan gas production rig off Haifa is now on fire, cause unknown but it was targeted by the Gaza military.

The economic consequences are starting to mount.
Israel is going to have big problems coming out of this, one of which will be population flight as their confidence in their security is now just a memory.

I suspect that we are about to see a big test of crypto as people try to bypass the inevitable financial controls that are going to have to be imposed.

This can't have been in the plan of the Netanyahu as it looks increasingly like he will be the destroyer, not savior of Israel.

Posted by: JohninMK | May 17 2021 22:06 utc | 195

@ Fyi | May 17 2021 0:11 utc | 161
I desagree strongly with your tendency to reduce everything to religious opposition.
[it is really easy to find a commun sense with religious(believers) people: Christian, sunni, Shia and jews... Very EASY...]

But, about spirituality I agree that it is a strong point.
Could you please read this piece from Nasser Kandil
https://www.al-binaa.com/archives/297882
If you don't read Arabic, automated translation works good with Chrome.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 17 2021 22:36 utc | 196

@ Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 13:34 utc | 175

I strongly support your post.
Rationality of the resistance is strong

May I suggest @ everybody to add this opinion from Nasser Kandil.
https://www.al-binaa.com/archives/297882
If you don't read Arabic, automated translation works good with Chrome.

In my opinion we are in a time of spirituality for the strategy + rationality for the tactical operations.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 17 2021 22:49 utc | 197

Mr Fyi | May 17 2021 0:20 utc| 163

Let’s get this straight.
I do not believe that journalists, even if they do their job honestly and report facts, are enough to restore Justice and Peace through the Truth.
As my law professor said, “If you come to my class to know what is right, you are making a mistake, you have to go to the catechism. Here is just about law".
I'm not anymore idealistic.

But, by reporting facts, they can serve military operations [both sides] and sometimes awaken consciences [My Laï 1968]

Posted by: Assurancetourix | May 17 2021 23:07 utc | 198

Posted by: Peter Moritz | May 17 2021 16:46 utc | 186


So isn't it time to ask to look for a different methodology to either have Israel concede to the creation of a viable Palestinian Nation or - the granting of equal and effective citizenship in a secular nation?

Yes. Use Bigger Missiles.

It really is that simple.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 17 2021 23:12 utc | 199

And on to better page formatting

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 17 2021 23:13 utc | 200

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