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May 15, 2021

Israel Punishes Media For Reporting Its Escalation In Palestine

Today is Nakba day which commemorates the violent expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians from their homes which began 74 years ago and is still continuing.

Just yesterday Fares Akram. Associated Press reporter in Gaza, wrote in a diary about his families expulsion and his life under colonist bombing:

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — On Friday morning, a military airstrike smashed my family’s farm in the northern Gaza Strip into a jagged mass of metal and splintered trees. An Israeli bomb had slammed into the yard, carving a crater into the dirt and leaving rubble in its wake.

The conflict, once again, hit home.

The first Gaza war taught me that while our lush citrus grove might offer some breathing space from the congestion and difficulties of city life, it’s no refuge. A previous Israeli airstrike killed my father, Akram al-Ghoul, on January 3, 2009. As fighting raged, he’d insisted on sleeping at the farm to tend to the cattle and chicken, and to nurture the trees.

In all, six of my relatives, three close friends and several colleagues have died in the three bloody wars and countless battles between Israel and Hamas. Each time the violence erupts and I report as a journalist on the people who lost their homes, their children or their lives, the memories creep back. I always think, “That could be me.” When the thundering bombs, buzzing drones and pounding artillery refresh the pain and trigger the old fear, I seek refuge in work.

The Associated Press office is the only place in Gaza City I feel somewhat safe. The Israeli military has the coordinates of the high-rise, so it’s less likely a bomb will bring it crashing down.

Today Fares Akram and Joseph Krauss report:

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli airstrike destroyed a high-rise building in Gaza City that housed offices of The Associated Press and other media outlets hours after another Israeli air raid on a densely populated refugee camp killed at least 10 Palestinians from an extended family, mostly children, on Saturday.

The strike on the high-rise came nearly an hour after the military ordered people to evacuate the 12-story building, which also housed Al-Jazeera, other offices and residential apartments. The strike brought down the entire structure, which collapsed in a gigantic cloud of dust. There was no immediate explanation for why it was attacked.

This was the second high rise housing media studios, offices, telecommunication equipment as well as residential apartments that Israel destroyed in its current attack.

Earlier today AP had accused the Israeli military of intentionally misinforming the media to trick the resistance in Gaza. (The trick did not work.)

In a statement AP's president condemned today's strike and wrote:

The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today.

Well, yes. The Israeli military will congratulate itself for achieving that aim.

Tow days ago I developed the idea that the resistance, Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Palestine, Hizbullah in Lebanon and Ansar Allah in Yemen, may be planing more of the events than a superficial view reveals:

While the conflict was, without doubt, started by the colonial occupiers the course of the recent escalation seems to be managed by the resistance side. It may well be part of a larger plan.
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While I am still not sure that all of this is part of a plan - from Hizbullah's speech, over unrest in Jerusalem, Gaza missiles, pogroms, to now missiles from Lebanon - it surely looks like a well rehearsed and coordinated (re-)action of the resistance front.

Since then more events seem to fit into the picture.

Yesterday and over night anti-Arab violence and Palestinian protests within Israel continued as new unrest unfolded in the West Bank where the occupation army killed at least 10 Palestinians.

Protesters in Jordan arrived at the border to the West Bank and tried to break through the border fence. Jordanian riot police held them back.

At the Lebanese border to Israel protesters crossed over from Lebanon into a disputed area when Israeli forces fired at them. One Lebanese man was killed and another wounded. Such death usually trigger the eye-for-an-eye rule that governs the relation between Hizbullah and the Israeli army. Hizbullah could have used the incident to escalate but didn't.

Also yesterday Hizbullah's Deputy Secretary General Naim Qassem visited Hamas and Islamic Jihad leadership in Lebanon. This is highly significant as Hamas had been on the wrong side of the war in Syria.

David A. Daoud translates what Naim Qassem said:

1-Hezbollah delegation, headed by Qassem and which included Politburo members Mahmoud Qmati and Hajj Hassan Hoballah, met w/PIJ Sec.Gen. Ziad Nakhala; Hamas leadership in Lebanon Usama Hamdan, Ali Barakeh, Ahmad Abdulhadi; discussed latest developments on Palestinian front
2-Qassem: We came on directions from Sec.Gen. Hassan Nasrallah to meet PIJ, Hamas leadership to confirm that we are with them, and w/Palestinian resistance, and people who now confront the Israeli enemy
3-Qassem: We know now we are in the phase of creating a new equation inside Palestine, which confirms the unity of the Palestinian lands, and the uprising (lit. movement) tying Jerusalem, the lands of '48 (i.e. Israel), West Bank, and Gaza
4-Qassem: this is happening evenly between these different parts of the Palestinian people, so the Israeli will understand that Palestinian people will not accept its occupation of any part of this land (i.e. entire land between Jordan River and Mediteranean)
5-Let them understand Jerusalem is holy of holies of all palestinians, but also all peoples of the region, world, of lovers and supporters of the Resistance, who believe in always focusing on Palestine; they are all in one trench and camp
6-Qassem: We can therefore say that today a new equation is being created in Palestine, and that question of Jerusalem today has assumed its full Palestinian dimension, in opposition to all normalization moves led by Israel, USA;
7-Qassem: this is beginning of burial of normalization, with blood and sacrifices of martyrs.
8-Qassem: Hezbollah is always w/ the Palestinian resistance, jihad of the Palestinian people, liberating Jerusalem; we are with them in material support, backing, solidarity in all paths; we will always carry out our duties as different stages and phases required
9-Qassem: We therefore stress that what Palestinian people and their viable leadership are doing is object of support and backing; in the end, we believe resistance is only solution, there is none other, despite efforts of different forces
10-Qassem: We don't bet on America, or great powers, or those who talk about political settlements; we bet on the living Palestinian youths, who are actively moving; anyone w/Palestine today must be w/ the resistance; whoever isn't w/Resistance isn't w/Palestine
11-Qassem: Palestine doesn't need fervent speeches, it needs jihad, martyrdom, and sacrifices

The resistance is united but it is still not clear if Hizbullah will actively join the fight. It may not yet be the right time.

Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai - 10:39 UTC · May 15, 2021

Palestinian groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad prefer that #Hezbollah doesn’t get involved in the battle now and allows the world focus to remain on #Gaza. Any outside intervention- I was told - serves #Israel to play the victim and disperse the attention away from the main cause.

Today Hizbullah called on its supporters in south Lebanon to protest at the border to Israel. Any small conflict there could escalate towards war within just a few hours.

 

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Thanks for the ongoing coverage of the ME b

I was reading somewhere that TikTok is the media place that the conflict is still being reported through.....any TikTok followers at the MoA bar that can verify this?

Since the MSM is part of empire, any lag in reporting or such means that empire is losing the battles. They can't black out the whole world and keep them from seeing the aggressive genocide practiced by the social perverts of Occupied Palestine.

I hope, like you, that all of the resistance in the ME will rise up and show the cult of empire that they are no longer in unilateral power and control. It is time to end the barbaric madness of global private finance and its exceptionalism over others class meme

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 15 2021 15:52 utc | 1

Thank you b, excellent catch. Would not have caught this without the translation.

But caution. Daoud is Atlantic Council, Foundation for Defense of Democracy, Israel lobbyist.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 15 2021 16:06 utc | 2

thanks b... bombing the news agencies is a war crime, but it seems usa will block any un council resolution on the rogue states actions - one rogue state protecting another in essence )... yes, it is about controlling the narrative and one way to do it is to silence the media coverage of what is happening while spinning your own yarn of b.s. the rogue states appear to excel at this..

Posted by: james | May 15 2021 16:07 utc | 3

Thanks b. You may well be correct that the Resistance forces in the region commit to a defense of Palestine. Could this bring a ground swell of demonstrations against the governments of Jordan and Egypt that are in many ways supporting the policies of both the US and Israel? I would think so.

Posted by: Michael Crockett | May 15 2021 16:23 utc | 4

Good reporting. "it surely looks like a well rehearsed and coordinated (re-)action of the resistance front." Let's hope.

Re the bombing of media... I noticed cruising through MSM headlines, while many offered the usual boilerplate coverage - Israel yea! - CNN had not one story of Israel/Palestine on their front page. In the United States, the media bombs itself.

Posted by: gottlieb | May 15 2021 16:55 utc | 5

Serg | May 15 2021 16:45 utc | 5

Not much of a split, actually. About two dozen Congresscritters expressing some degree of sympathy for the Palestinians; the rest of them -- and all of the Senators -- are solidly pro-Israel.

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 17:04 utc | 6

According to Article 8 (2) (b) (viii) of the Rome statute of the International Criminal Court, the colonisation of the West Bank constitutes a war crime, being « the transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory. »

https://www.icc-cpi.int/resourcelibrary/official-journal/rome-statute.aspx#article8

An interesting article by a legal scholar on this point (in French, sorry. Use Deepl) :

https://journals.openedition.org/revdh/7353

Posted by: Leuk | May 15 2021 17:12 utc | 7

No members of Hezbollah or Hamas or anyone else should be having public meetings in declared places. Israel and the US assassinate resistance leaders with utter impunity. The only valid reason to meet/press conference/etc. in a known place is to try to be a martyr, but there are better ways to do that, such as lighting oneself on fire. No reason to draw innocent bystanders into such an act.

In general I think MoA is being far too optimistic. This is my main complaint with his analyses, he seems to assign some 14th level dimensional chess to Iranians and Palestinians and Russians and Chinese and etc. Excusing their complacency and weakness by suggesting they instead have some amazing long term hidden responses.

When an entity assassinates your top generals and scientists, the world shouldn't have to dig deep, eight layers down, 50 years later to see that you "responded".

Posted by: Hippo Dave | May 15 2021 17:33 utc | 8

Mr. B

The Axis of Resistance will not initiate hostilities at all, unless attacked, in my opinion. They will not want to focus attention on plucky Israel fighting all her external enemies. Let Americans and Europeans further entrench their positions as Partisans of Israel against Islam.

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 17:35 utc | 9

Looking up "google" (yeah, I know but the question was simple); "how many displaced palestinians are there". Answer, 7 million.

If the "resistance" manages to awaken many of those lost in eternal refugee camps, the motivation for change will be there.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 15 2021 17:43 utc | 10

In this case, imo, the proper response would be for Hamas to phone up the offices of a zionist newspaper and tell them to evacuate in an hour, then send a few hundred rockets at the building. Or "towards" the building, depending on targeting capabilities.

The response to Soleimani should've been killing Bolton, Abrams, Albright, and more.

The response to centrifuges being sabotaged should've been strikes/sabotage on Dimona.

If the resistance is incapable of doing such things, then so be it. But let's not pretend that the reason they don't do such things is that they instead have some better long-term 18th-dimensional chess game response in the works. That is wishful thinking and frankly, embarrassing.

Iran is surviving, barely. Palestinians continue to get their ass kicked. The US and Israel overall are winning. This sucks but has to be acknowledged.

Posted by: Hippo Dave | May 15 2021 17:43 utc | 11

I think punish is an understatement considering they just straight out bomb their establishment, this is war.

Posted by: Smith | May 15 2021 17:45 utc | 12

On 23 April 1999 NATO bombed the Radio Television of Serbia headquarters during Operation Allied Force.

From Wikipedia: “ Sixteen employees of RTS were killed when a single NATO missile hit the building. Many were trapped for days, only communicating over mobile phones. The station returned to the air less than 24 hours later from a secret location.

NATO justified the bombing with two arguments; firstly, that it was necessary "to disrupt and degrade the command, control and communications network" of the Yugoslav Armed Forces, and secondly, that the RTS headquarters was a dual-use object which "was making an important contribution to the propaganda war which orchestrated the campaign against the population of Kosovo".

At least Israel notified the ppl inside the building before the bombing


Posted by: DG | May 15 2021 17:46 utc | 13

Hippo Dave has a point. The passivity of Iraq, Russia and China is simply unacceptable. Because passivity here is complicity with the perpetrors of crimes against humanity. Suddenly people like Raevsky, Escobar and Martyanov are simultaneously quiet. Suspiciously quiet. Those transparent hidden agendas. The future is not in the Russian weapons or Chinese rovers. The future now is there: in Palestine. But like the Arab proverb says: God is the best planner. All what is hidden and rotten will come to light. And the smoke of falsehood will become the lightning of truth. Behold!

Posted by: deepEye | May 15 2021 17:52 utc | 14

Another factor we should square in in this situation is the USA and its new doctrinal direction towards "competition with China".

In the "good times" (1990s-mid2000s), the American Empire undoubtedly would wholeheartedly go all-in in the Israeli side, not only publicly defending it, but also increasing its weapons supplies to Israel.

However, we're in 2021, not 1999. Times have changed. the American Empire is weaker. China is stronger. That means the American new doctrine of "competition" requires taking the "moral high ground" on all geopolitical affairs vis-à-vis China, in order to fight a full-fledged propaganda warfare on in the best conditions possible from an American viewpoint.

The timing for Israel's invasion of the rest of Palestinian Jerusalem and the consequent invasion of the Gaza Strip is awful for the American Empire: it came when the "Uighur Genocide in Xinjiang" campaign was at its apex of momentum. All of a sudden, they see themselves on their heels, having to defend what is a de facto nazist-apartheid State trying to literally genocide what is visibly an oppressed people. All the focus on Xinjiang evaporated overnight; it's now reduced to professional propagandists on Twitter and other propaganda outlets. Pro-Palestinians protests happened in NYC (the de facto Jewish capital) some days ago - an unthinkable event even some years ago.

Meanwhile, the traditionally Francophile Pentagon/West Point elite has emulated their French counterparts and published an open letter threatening to install a military dictatorship in the USA if Biden "continues his path towards Marxism and Socialism". The French generals are now supported by some members of the French security service/police service. The West slowly melts down; soon, the welfare of Israel will be the least of their problems.

It will get harder and harder for the American Empire to keep its softpower intact from now on.

Posted by: vk | May 15 2021 17:52 utc | 15

What were in those buildings that they have to bomb them anyway? Seems really ridiculous.

Posted by: Smith | May 15 2021 18:13 utc | 16

@ 16 vk.. in reference to chinas response here, psychohistorian shared an article from the chinese gov't on the previous thread, worth consideration..
China slams U.S. for thwarting UN meetings on Palestine-Israel issue

Posted by: james | May 15 2021 18:18 utc | 17

Mr. deepEye

Why should Chinese and Russians say anything about the religious war in Palestine?

They have no dog in that fight among Judeo-Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 18:21 utc | 18

I do not know if this can still be found:

http://www.notmytribe.com/2009/gaza-child-photo-86584.html

taken amidst 'cast lead' operations against Gaza, dated 25/09/2009 18:54

Make up your own commentary. A version of this appeared in The Guardian slightly different, someone wiped the dirt from the face and closed the mouth but otherwise the same photo that turns the heart against Zionist terrorists/thugs/thieves occupying Palestine.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 15 2021 18:22 utc | 19

This will go on and on until the Collapse of the American nation as a world power renders it too marginal to support Israel other than through empty rhetoric. After that, demographics and economic factors will lead to a new Jewish diaspora with those who can moving to Russia, the US, Europe, and wherever they can do better. It'll begin this decade, but will take several more before the "Jewish State" folds its tent and "vanishes from the pages of history". Only American military and economic dominance has kept the experiment going. When that goes, so do they.

Posted by: erik | May 15 2021 18:35 utc | 20

They have no dog in that fight among Judeo-Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 18:21 utc | 19

There is no fight. One side is essentially unarmed. This is straight up genocide.

Posted by: mena | May 15 2021 18:42 utc | 21

erik @21

" Only American military and economic dominance has kept the experiment going." And 150 Israeli nuclear weapons and massive military superiority to all neighbors.

Posted by: schmoe | May 15 2021 18:50 utc | 22

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/05/14/chris-hedges-israel-the-big-lie/

Long but a good read

Thanks b

Posted by: jo6pac | May 15 2021 18:52 utc | 23

Re: FYI

Typical ‘muhrica mindset: gotta butt my head in every conflict in the world.

Posted by: Andrew Ho | May 15 2021 19:06 utc | 24

If only! Words, words and more words from the so called resistance. We have been hearing this for twenty years now. (You better stop beating me up or I will get mád) Those guys with the bottle rockets must be masochists to keep trying the same thing again and again. Time to come up with a new strategy. They sure as shit can't count on the us, the bloviating europeans, the russians or the chineese.

Posted by: c | May 15 2021 19:17 utc | 25

@ Posted by: schmoe | May 15 2021 18:50 utc | 22

Where is Israel going to drop those nukes? On Lod? Look at the map and see why Israel, and look at the adverse effects of radiation on human beings, and you see why it will never use its nukes against any Middle Eastern neighbor for that matter.

You don't need to be a genius to come to the logical conclusion that a Zionist state, no matter its shape of form, must have to have a robust nuclear arsenal to survive in the long term. By now, every Zionist and their mothers already know that, and, probably, Israel already has said arsenal.

Another, completely different issue is asymmetrical warfare. You don't use nukes in an asymmetrical warfare. That's simply not how this kind of warfare is waged.

Posted by: vk | May 15 2021 19:17 utc | 26

Turkey pressuring HA? Paid for by whom?
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-lebanon-beirut-business-095e5e50b70d645f8f59da82e4bf3a8d

Posted by: Mina | May 15 2021 19:26 utc | 27

Running out of adjectives -- degenerate, vile, despicable, odious, malevolent, despicable, heinous, execrable, malign, catastrophic .......

Posted by: chet380 | May 15 2021 19:26 utc | 28

vk | May 15 2021 19:17 utc | 26

Sometimes even Wikipedia is your friend:

In a September 2003 interview in Elsevier, a Dutch weekly, on Israel and the dangers it faces from Iran, the Palestinians and world opinion van Creveld stated:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. . . . We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

Commonly referred to as the "Samson Option."

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 19:34 utc | 29

@ fyi

You certainly appear to see the world through the prism of a single issue. I'm curious as to how you explain Israeli oppression of christian Palestinians?

Posted by: robin | May 15 2021 19:37 utc | 30

Hezbollah will not bomb “Israel”. Whatever we want to see this...
This is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of confidence in the future. [But Hezbollah will respond and to any “mistake of judgment” of the Zionists]

b. is right to reproduce “in extenso” the words of Naim Quassem
- we will always carry out our duties as different stages and phases required


- Palestinian people will not accept its occupation of any part of this land (Dead end for Abram's agreement)
- we are in the phase of creating a new equation inside Palestine [the unity of the Palestinian lands, and the uprising tying Jerusalem, the lands of ’48 (i. e. Israel), West Bank, and Gaza]
- we bet on the living Palestinian youths, who are actively moving

It won’t be easy or fast
- Palestine [. . . ]needs jihad, martyrdom, and sacrifices
- jihad of the Palestinian people, liberating Jerusalem

The Zionist Army benefits from unrestricted access to US military assets. It will not be defeated on the battlefield but in the heads, souls and hearts.
External assistance would be useful, but only the moral, financial, economic and political collapse of the colonial system would bring about liberation.

Like“The Attack_of_the_Milk -Bar”, the missiles and bombs are just a reminder to the Zionists “sell everything and go home before it’s too late.”

Posted by: Djazair | May 15 2021 19:38 utc | 31

@ Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 19:34 utc | 29

Yes, this is the MAD scenario, which, even the most ardent believers of Zionism agree, is a condition sine qua non for the survival of a hypothetical eternal Zionist State.

But that's not asymmetrical warfare. Unless, of course, one insinuates Hezbollah=Lebanon and assumes Israel will nuke the Gaza Strip (which it would need to fully exploit the Leviathan basin for gas and petroleum) and Lebanon in a scenario of low-intensity warfare (direct jump to MAD; absence of escalation).

Posted by: vk | May 15 2021 19:39 utc | 32

vk | May 15 2021 19:39 utc | 32

Agreed. Lacking state-of-the-art weaponry and a large standing army, asymmetrical warfare is the only kind of warfare Hamas and Hezbollah can wage.

I wish them luck.

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 19:45 utc | 33

Pretty hideous dangling modifier in my last comment. Apologies!

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 19:45 utc | 34

The Grayzone has a long (2hr 40 min) discussion with Ali Abunimah, Rania Kahlek, Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal about Palestine. I'm about half way through it and am learning some things. Rania lives mostly in Lebanon and says Hizbollah will not attack Israel unless they are directly attacked because Lebanon is in pieces and Hizbollah is working hard to get a food stamp/trade program up for all Lebonese and if they were to start attacking Israel the Lebonese people would blame them. Abunimah lives in Chicago, heads electronic intafada and is currently in Jordan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SaqRY7qHV0

Posted by: migueljose | May 15 2021 19:49 utc | 35

Mr. Robin

Those Christians are not Protestants, they are either Orthodox or Catholic, despised by Judeo-Christians in any case.

The same attitude informs the attitude of Judeo-Christians towards the Christians of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Iraq; that is, complete disregard for them.

In Iraq and in Syria, did Americans ( read Judeo-Christians) care one whit about how their Crusade against enemies of Israel would affect Christians there? Not at all, the Judeo-Christians primary preoccupation is their own salvation (not even their own country) and damn the rest of mankind, especially superstitious Papists.

That is the main and dominant dynamics, in my opinion.

The secondary dyamics here, in my opinion, is the Jewish Israelis enmity towards Christianity, blaming that religion for what befell the European Jewry during the later part of the Second Thirty-Year War.

Lastly, this hostility is also tied to the communal hatred for Arabs. Ram Allah used to be a Christian city, now it is Muslim as Israelis tried to depopulate Palestine from Arabs.

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 19:51 utc | 36

Hippo Dave:
I don't think "Israel" is winning anything at all. They seem scared witless and not only by their direct opponents but also by their "supporters". They are worse than alone and self-destructive psychosis rules them (see the end comment after the last set of dashes below).

In addition to that the resistance looks like they are trying their best to:

1. Not stop an enemy making mistakes.

2. Not copy an enemy making mistakes.

Sputniknews has a series of pictures of the recent bombing of the Jala tower.

As can be seen from the second picture it wasn't only one bomb/grenade/missile (to me that incoming one looks like maybe a 150-200 kg airdropped bomb but I could be entirely wrong).

Al Jazeera also has an older map picture of some of the previous larger attacks on buildings in Gaza.

There was also the attack on the refugee camp concerning which the UN denies the Israeli allegations against it and much more.

None of that is "winning", instead it looks like a refusal to accept that they have been unable to win after over 70 years despite having so much money, resources, influence, a rapidly vanishing pile of sympathy named Holocaust/Shoah, and unending gall/brazenness.

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DG:
True, however notifications are used by the Israelis as a fig leaf to try to lessen the reactions and outrage and to make a war-crime seem acceptable or "civilized".

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Smith:
It is really ridiculous and false because the objective of the attack was the communications equipment and lines to established third party witnesses within Gaza. Same for the previous attacks targeted at reporters in Gaza.

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Any "150 Israeli nuclear weapons" are worthless, no one in the region cares about any such except perhaps Erdogan because he's an envious idiot drooling at the thought of the ones that might still be in the US base in Turkey.

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Since Israel, the US, and zionism has twisted, turned, deceived, and abused all good intent from all corners of the world they themselves guarantee that there remains only one alternative: a one state solution, and not a jewish one.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 15 2021 19:56 utc | 37

Mr. schmoe

You be wrong.

USA is funding a graft machine called the Egyptian Army to keep Egypt out of a war with Israel.

Israel cannot afford as many nuclear weapons as you stated, half almost as many as China.

They are in a MAD situation with Hezbollah in any case. May be with Iran as well.

When Syria initiates the efforts to recapture Golan, we will see how well this poor undisciplined army called IDF operates against a real army.

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 19:58 utc | 38

They have pledged allegiance
to the land across the sea
making sure that they have healthcare
thanks to you and me
they don't have to pay for
University... is free.
The gifts keep going on.

Glory glory halejuha
glory glory halejuha
glory glory halejuha
the shit keeps going on

they own our politicians
banks and media too
there is nothing we say
or hasbara's on you
You cannot run for office
lest you represent the Jews
this shit keeps going on

they can sink our ships
and shoot our sailors as they swim
we pretend it didn't happen
cuz we know that it was them
but there's nothing we can do
Bcuz they own us through and through
this shit keeps going on

now they kill their neighbours
and lock them up inside
of an open air gulag
committing genocide
anyone who mentions it...
professional suicide
and the whole world looks away

They can murder babies
they've a right to self defense
one just threw a stone
better reenforce the fence
you can bet your ass that
it's time to mow the grass
when they need uncle Schmuel

we must fight their battles
until the end of time
killing who they say
inventing silly crimes
even though americans
stand in a bread line
we must defend the Jews.

gory gory halejuha
gory gory halejuha
gory gory halejuha
this shit keeps going on

Posted by: ld | May 15 2021 20:05 utc | 39

Mr. Sunny Runny Burger

It is immaterial if Israelis are winning, since, per eschatology of Judeo-Christians, Israel needs be destoyed for Jesus to come back.

One wonders if a global thermonuclear war be caused by this war over Palestine.

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 20:08 utc | 40

@Fyi 40

"It is immaterial if Israelis are winning, since, per eschatology of Judeo-Christians, Israel needs be destoyed for Jesus to come back."

That is an interesting point. A couple threads ago it was asked why evangelical christians support Israel. One responder said because many evangelicals are really jews in disguise. This may be true to some small extent.

I come from an evangelical region with evangelicals sprinkled in amongst my family and friends....none of them are secretly Jewish.

By evangelical Revelation Fantasies, Israel needs to be destroyed and the jewish folks converted (mostly killed) to bring back Jesus and fulfil rapture prophecy. That is why Pence and his ilk support Israel, to them Israelites are important props in their mythology.

Posted by: Jason | May 15 2021 20:32 utc | 41

Perhaps more often than we know, the Israeli government uses and abuses Palestinians to divert Israeli attention away from its domestic problems. I wonder if the current IDF offensive against Gaza indicates a serious crisis within the Israeli government or in Israeli society at large, given the ferocity of the attacks in Gaza and the targeting of Palestinian and foreign media. It could very well be that Israel's destruction of buildings in Gaza housing Palestinian and foreign media is as much intended as a warning to Israeli MSM and non-MSM alike to toe the government line.

How close are the Netanyahus coming towards finally receiving the justice and punishment they deserve? How is, er, Israel's campaign to inject its population with the Pfizer gene therapy treatment coming along, after Netanyahu pulled strings to put Israel first in the queue to receive the treatment so as to improve his re-election chances?

Posted by: Jen | May 15 2021 20:52 utc | 42

@37 Sunny Runny Burger

“ however notifications are used by the Israelis as a fig leaf to try to lessen the reactions and outrage and to make a war-crime seem acceptable or "civilized".”

Agreed. Unfortunately it’s history repeating and war crimes, “civilized” or brutal, go unpunished.

Btw Netanyahu is already spinning the playing of the international media into a victory.

From Haaretz (ok lots of pro-Israel bla bla but an interesting story).

“On the night between Thursday and Friday, with the start of the air attack on the tunnels, the foreign press section of the IDF Spokesman’s Office briefed the foreign correspondents, in a WhatsApp post, that IDF air and ground units were attacking in the Gaza Strip. Correspondents who asked one of the department’s top officers for oral explanations understood from him that the ground forces were indeed operating inside Gazan territory.

The briefing was erroneous. ... The foreign press corrected their reports only after checking with their Israeli colleagues and finding out that there wasn’t any substance to them.

During the course of Friday, the Israeli media depicted the misleading reports in the foreign media as another brilliant move by the IDF. ... [they] are continuing to report enthusiastically that in the operation “an IDF deception unit” was deployed. No wonder the foreign correspondents are furious.“

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/.premium-netanyahu-spinning-destruction-of-gaza-tunnels-into-victory-but-it-s-not-over-yet-1.9811362

I guess that after the bombing of the AP headquarters the foreign correspondents must be even more furious.

Posted by: DG | May 15 2021 20:58 utc | 43

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 18:21 utc | 19

Professional Zionist propagandists have attempted to portray the the theft, displacement and occupation of Palestine as 'a religious squabble' that 'has been going on for X years'.

The real issue is LAND and OCCUPATION by alien invaders not religion.

Too many gullible people have fallen for the Zionist talking point and echo it. This confuses the real issue.

Posted by: Paul | May 15 2021 21:03 utc | 44

Enough is enough.

Israel and the problems arising from its creation, its nature, and the function it performs for its backers (the US and the West) is literally the cancer that is destroying our world. When that illness is cured, our world has a chance to become something else, something better for all.

Here is my thinking:
1. Each state expells the Israely ambassador.
2. The UN imposes sanctions on Israel, like back in the day on South Africa.
3. Immediate ending of Israely authority, that is occupation, of Palestinian lands, by not recognizing it. At the same time, Gaza is openned up, under UN authority, so that the people can breathe and live. Under threat of sanctions Egypt must open the border.
4. Israel, in its 1948 borders is placed under UN tutelage, until conditions are created for proper elections. All war criminals at the highest levels must be brought to justice.Israel's nuclear arsenal, and its biological and other WMD programs are terminated.Its intelligence and other similar services built from scratch, after the elections. Israel continues to be under UN supervision for a number of years, until it becomes, to quote the words of an Irish MP, a normal state.
5. A realistic, fair plan for a long-term solution is drawn up, with the participation of Jews and Palestinians, and presented to the UN General Assembly for approval and aoption. The UN SC can have a role, only if constructive.This is not according to the UN Charter, but such is the state of affairs in the UNSC.
6. The plan is implemented with the participation of the UN, and only the UN.


Posted by: JB | May 15 2021 21:21 utc | 45

@17 Bringing down those buildings is not ridiculous from an Israeli perspective. It makes impressive optics, makes Hamas look impotent and reminds Associated Press that it has no real influence.

Posted by: dh | May 15 2021 21:22 utc | 46

vk @ 16:

What is your source for the West Point/DoD statement that a military dictatorship will be installed in the USSA if Biden continues his push toward Marxism/Socialism?

Posted by: K_C_ | May 15 2021 21:23 utc | 47

@ Posted by: K_C_ | May 15 2021 21:23 utc | 47

‘Dire situation’: Over 120 retired US generals sign letter slamming Biden govt, say nation in fight against ‘socialism & Marxism’

The link for the letter is in the article. The letter is undated, but the RT article states it was published "last Monday" (i.e. May 10th, 2021).

If you read between the lines and know a little bit about 20th Century History, the message is clear.

Posted by: vk | May 15 2021 21:53 utc | 48

JB #45

Agreed that sounds reasonable but improbable given the FUKUS principle in the UN.

To sabotage that move Biden appoints Bolton as US ambassador ;-)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 15 2021 21:58 utc | 49

Posted by: vk | May 15 2021 21:53 utc | 48

I agree with your last statement. The RT article links to Politico so at least some American "mainstream" outlets were reporting on it.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/11/retired-brass-biden-election-487374

In my daily readings I came across this bit from 2017, after we'd left the USSA, regarding a police infiltration and crackdown on a small socialist gathering/protest in Colorado that year. To anyone who thinks that it isn't mostly the cops embedded with any Amerikkkan "leftist" or "racial justice" protests who are sparking the violence and pushing peaceful demonstrations toward destructiveness, here is yet another example of who the police really serve and their methods for attributing bad PR to any demonstration or demonstrator that protests the status quo.

https://notmytribe.com/2017/police-body-cameras-reveal-colorado-springs-law-enforcement-used-arrests-to-infiltrate-a-student-socialist-group-850392.html

2. Canaan-cam The body-cam worn by Krueger’s partner, Officer Canaan, has all the while recorded the same sequence of events, but he wasn’t paying attention to the whispers, so his camera continues to record.

Officer Keller walks back to the cruiser, this time to tease the undercover. Keller leans in and jokes about the arrest he arranged by pretending to suspect that Jackson had a knife.

Keller begins: “You really should hang out with a better crowd.”

Mocks Jackson: “I know. ‘Fuck the Police’. Ha ha.”

Keller goes on: “Hey, youse in the street, I figured you should get a ticket like everybody else.”

The undercover then says: “That’s why I yelled ‘COME FUCKING ARREST ME!’”

The two then discuss whether the undercover’s female partner should also be ticketed. Jackson theorizes that one ticket is enough.

Meanwhile an unspoken decision is made not to carry through with Jackson’s citation. This disturbs the undercover. He asks “How will it look when I don’t get a ticket?”

Posted by: K_C_ | May 15 2021 22:02 utc | 50

The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today.
And the Israeli military will congratulate itself for achieving that aim.

Yes, Zionist are afraid that Truth will emerge. They can bomb buildings, but as said Hassan Nasrallah last week:
you know well, in your heart of hearts, whether it is based on your religious texts or doctrines, on your books or your prophecies, and also based on what some of your leaders and experts say, and also some of your religious authorities, you know (very well) that this entity (Israel) has no future,


Der Judenstaat ("The Jewish State"), a dead end project.

When Theodor Herzl published in February 1896 in Leipzig and Vienna "Versuch einer modernen Lösung der Judenfrage" ("Proposal of a modern solution for the Jewish question"), his project is already a separate development project (Apartheid!). Release the Europe of the Jews and allow them to establish an ethnic European-Jewish settlement, somewhere else.

he concludes it thus


Let me repeat once more my opening words: The Jews who wish for a State will have it.
We shall live at last as free men on our own soil, and die peacefully in our own homes.
The world will be freed by our liberty, enriched by our wealth, magnified by our greatness.
And whatever we attempt there to accomplish for our own welfare, will react powerfully and beneficially for the good of humanity.

The Jewish Company (a classic colonial Chartered Company) envisioned by Herzl would transfer the properties of all Jews in their present countries in the lands and properties in the coming Jewish State.

So his plan is to raise £50 to 200 million to buy the land of Palestine from the Ottomans, he will manage to raise only 0. 5% of the money! In practice the Zionist Movement would resort, after Herzl's death, to the method he opposed: "a gradual infiltration of Jews". As wrote Herzl

"important experiments in colonization have been made, though on the mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration of Jews. An infiltration is bound to end badly. It continues till the inevitable moment when the native population feels itself threatened, and forces the government to stop a further influx of Jews. Immigration is consequently futile unless we have the sovereign right to continue such immigration."

Here we are! 47% of all jews are now in Zionistan, but demographics don't match. And fear is on the rise.

Since 1948, 3 million so-called Jews have emigrated to Palestine, half of them for less than 30 years, and 4 million were born there. But out of 6. 7 million Israeli Jews, 2 million already have dual citizenship and almost all are seeking a second passport. In a 2016 opinion poll, 27% of respondents said they wanted dual citizenship because they were worried about the long-term future of the State of Israel.
It would be very interesting to update the survey in a few weeks' time.

And keep an eye on the departures. In Algeria, the smartest settlers began to sell and leave as early as 1956, leaving the masses to radicalize but without solution.
All this will end badly

Posted by: Djazair | May 15 2021 22:03 utc | 51

fyi #38

You are no doubt correct that Egypt is essentially being paid off not to attack Israel. Ditto for Jordan. That said, I don't see any dynamic that would plausibly lead either of those countries to participate in any fight against Israel. The SAA would simply be thoroughly destroyed by Israeli airpower in terms of any ground movements in the event of hostilities, although SAA could launch missiles against Israel. That however would be national suicide, and with US Sanctions and on-going Israeli attacks Syria would revert to a failed state on the order of Yemen, or perhaps a bit better if Russia was willing to still ship wheat.

vk @26

Your comment about nuclear weapons in terms of close in fighting and radiation of course makes sense, but my point remains that there is no military force that can plausibly dislodge Israel for the foreseeable future. Hezbollah could do an awful lot of damage, and while I hate to say it, one benefit of the sacrifice Gazans are making is that it should make any rationale Israeli planner extremely wary of starting a war with Iran. Any hubris of Iron Dome's invincibility should be in tatters by now. As fyi stated there might now be a MAD dynamic, at least until Israel develops a new weapon that it thinks makes in invulnerable.

Posted by: schmoe | May 15 2021 22:26 utc | 52

@ JB | May 15 2021 21:21 utc | 45

The lack of a reasonable sounding plan is rarely, if ever, the problem. Let us know if you can think of a way to make it happen.

Posted by: MarkU | May 15 2021 22:27 utc | 53

Mr. Paul

Keep saying that to yourself, may be you will begin to believe it.

Posted by: fyi | May 15 2021 22:28 utc | 54

Mr. schmoe

I can; the Monarchy is overthrown, the Islamic Republic of Palestine is declared with temporary capital in Amman, and with the Liberation of Occupied Palestine written into its constitution.

Such a state will receive immediate help and succor from other Muslim states that are enemies of Israel, chiefly the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The current dispensation in Egypt will not endure either and this rented peace will also end.

Americans and Israelis would have been well-advised to have settled with PLO back in 1996; but no, they had to try to extract the last ounce of concessions out of the Palestinians.

Posted by: fyi | May 15 2021 22:32 utc | 55

Mr. Jason

The so-called Evangelicals are new comers to Judeo-Christianity; the seed was planted almost 200 years ago in British Isles; as the late William Blake wrote:

"I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In England's green & pleasant Land."

Published in 1810, in 1918 the Protestant War for the Conquest of Palestine was declared by one Mr. Balfour, an English Jew, in 1948 UN admitted State of Israel through heavy lobbying by the late "I-have-become-Cyrus" Harry S Truman,.....to this day.

When will this Protestant Crusade end? Heaven only knows.

Posted by: fyi | May 15 2021 22:39 utc | 56

Yet it is Hamas that has managed to win the most crucial victory uniting the Palestinians in Palestine, in the camps and in the Diaspora,


I tend to believe that the only escape route from the Yom Kippur Syndrome is individual: self-imposed exile. Leave the ghetto late in the night, crawl under the fence, dig a tunnel under the ‘separation wall’. Once out on the land of the free, proceed quietly and modestly in search of the humane and the universal.
https://gilad.online/writings/2021/5/15/the-yom-kippur-syndrome-revisited

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 15 2021 22:45 utc | 57

fyi, in numerous misleading posts relies on his version of the tactic of 'reductio ad absurdum', a proof of inference arising from the demonstration that every other hypothesis involves an absurdity, except the intolerant 'one true religion' version as practiced by fyi!

Palestine does not need such people on its side.

Posted by: Paul | May 15 2021 22:53 utc | 58

jo6pac @ 23: Thanks for that link. I wish the American public would see it, but, unfortunately, the truth about the real Israel, and it's treatment of the Palestinians, can not be seen or heard here on major media.

Nothing will change, from the U$A's standpoint, help must come from somewhere else. The injustice is huge, and has been since 1948.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 15 2021 23:08 utc | 59

@ jo6pac | May 15 2021 18:52 utc | 23

Thanks for the link


One million Israelis, many of them among the most enlightened and educated, have left the country. Its most courageous human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists—Israeli and Palestinian—endure constant government surveillance, arbitrary arrests and vicious government-run smear campaigns. Mobs and vigilantes, including thugs from right-wing youth groups such as Im Tirtzu, physically assault dissidents, Palestinians, Israeli Arabs and African immigrants in the slums of Tel Aviv.

As I wrote #51 keep an eye on the departures. In Algeria, the smartest settlers began to sell and leave as early as 1956, leaving the masses to radicalize but without solution.

"Of course, now is the time for battle, not for analysis, now is the time for battle. It will be time to draw all the conclusions afterwards."
https://resistancenews.org/2021/05/14/hezbollah-the-liberation-of-palestine-entered-its-last-stage/

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 15 2021 23:20 utc | 60

@ id @ 39

Thanks for the poetry. I emailed it to quite a few friends and family, it made a splash. One reply was 'awfully accurate, who is this poet? I hope your poetry gave some people a laugh.

Here is some revolting footage of the brainwashed and indoctrinated zionist mob in action in Haifa.

https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1393263608084287491

Is this 'the good news' some Christian Zionist preachers tell us about?

Posted by: Paul | May 15 2021 23:21 utc | 61

Lots of Palestinian resistance videos posted at this Twitter account:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mahyar3138

Hamas' missiles are real.

Professor Mohamed Marandi says that all factions of the Resistance Axis are coordinating every step. Don't fret. Outside support is ready and available.

Big protests on the Lebanon border today. See Laith Marouf on Twitter.

Big protests in the West Bank will be held tomorrow. Fateh's Al Aqsa Brigades issued a statement, calling for armed resistance in the West Bank. There are online videos of shooting tonight at the Qalandia checkpoint.

Hamas says it has stockpiles of missiles to hit Tel Aviv for 6 months.

Netanyahoo has walked into a trap. He can't deter Hamas, is scared of a ground war, and is using genocidal methods on Gaza. Carrying on will only incite the Palestinian resistance on all fronts. But stopping means accepting Tel Aviv is unprotected.

This leads me to believe that we are entering a new stage in the Palestinian revolution.

Also, huge protests around the world today, led by the Palestinian diaspora and its brilliant leaders and activists.

Liberation is on the horizon.

Posted by: Prof | May 15 2021 23:25 utc | 62

Djazaïr | May 15 2021 22:45 utc :

Thanks for that link. My goodness, what a beautiful painting, and well written, what would one call it? - soliloquy. It reminds me of Chaco Canyon a bit. Magnificent ancient edifice, but something went badly wrong with the rulers, so the ordinary people simply left.

Posted by: juliania | May 15 2021 23:32 utc | 63

@ Paul | May 15 2021 22:53 utc | 58

Thanks for the quote

Palestine does not need such people on its side.

Actually, they are on the other side

Posted by: Assurancetourix | May 15 2021 23:33 utc | 64

When Syria initiates the efforts to recapture Golan, we will see how well this poor undisciplined army called IDF operates against a real army.

"I’ve been curious to know if Syria had handed on some P800 Oniks cruise missiles to Hezzbollah. Might find out soon the way things are going.
The oil tankers and port facilities at Ashkelon are well within range of the P800. Ashkelon is protected by the Iron Dome system, but that won’t deter a naval cruise missiles coming in on a circuitous route from the sea at 7 meters altitude.
A cruise missile entering the protection dome would initially get tracked, but it’s speed, low altitude and flat flight trajectory likely would prevent it from being tracked long enough to be engaged.
As well, The Iron Dome system’s missile uses a radar seeker that will not pick up a cruise missile amid ground clutter if it were looking down at the target. It was designed to intercept artillery missiles in a ballistic trajectory.
The P800, as well as the C802’s that Hezz used in 2006, could also be used against off shore gas/oil rigs."

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | May 15 2021 23:34 utc | 65

fyi

"I can; the Monarchy is overthrown, the Islamic Republic of Palestine is declared with temporary capital in Amman, and with the Liberation of Occupied Palestine written into its constitution."

Jordan is, through no fault of its own, completely dependent on outside aid, and it would fair even worse than Syria if subject to the regime change treatment. It is nearly landlocked with basically no natural resources and whose only sea access can be blocked by Israel. Iraq might give some assistance (depending on who is in charge) but neither it nor Iran could carry Jordan. Your scenario would just give Israel a pretext to empty the West Bank.

Posted by: schmoe | May 15 2021 23:39 utc | 66

Fyi | May 15 2021 19:58 utc | 38

USA is funding a graft machine called the Egyptian Army to keep Egypt out of a war with Israel.

Perhaps it's slightly more accurate to say that the USA is so generously arming Egypt (and Jordan) so that they have the wherewithal to keep their own populations under the jackboot; otherwise those populations would sweep away their governments and side with the Palestinians.

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 23:41 utc | 67

@ juliania | May 15 2021 23:32 utc | 63
I don't know if if Gilad painted it.

Probably inspired by


6 “But if you[a] or your descendants turn away from me and do not observe the commands and decrees I have given you[b] and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 7 then I will cut off Israel from the land I have given them and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. Israel will then become a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples.

I visited Chaco Canyon, 1983. Those people just disappeared. In Jordan too, Petra. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/world-heritage/article/petra-jordan

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 15 2021 23:54 utc | 68

Posted by: schmoe | May 15 2021 23:39 utc | 66

fyi has again, like a dog returning to its vomit, echoed another favourite Zionist talking point: that Jordan is the place for Palestinians to live.

Posted by: Paul | May 15 2021 23:56 utc | 69

I will take umbridge, fyi @ 22:39! You do disrespect to an eccentric poet in quoting only the verse that suits your fancy. Taken as a whole the poem has a significantly other message to the one you straightjacket it into. The word 'poppycock' comes to mind.

But I digress - I was coming here to post an extract from my full comment over at the previous Palestine thread (down near the last page end) which was to thank Grieved and Paul for the 'Taxi' link. Here's a bit of what I wrote, as maybe it will provoke and maybe not:

"...As I was reading, the sense of the issue became more clear, and its history reminded me of the first Greek tragedies we have, whose problems reach back into legend and historic family feuds intermingled. None better than the Oresteia which is a cycle of three plays dealing with the aftermath of the world war of that time, Greece's siege of Troy.

It doesn't matter that the circumstances for what is currently happening in Palestine/Israel are far different from the days of the fall of Troy. We are dealing with an aftermath in the same manner those Greeks had to deal with the aftermath.

I am troubled that the conflict is being described thusly by Taxi:

"Empire, in order to survive must make decisions that are steeped in cold pragmatism and based on security and prosperity interests, not on ethereal ideology or group superstition, especially minority group superstition."
The last part of the third play in the series needs close attention here. You do not win over reluctant parties to a conflict by speaking negatively of their closeheld beliefs and calling them superstition. What you do is speak positively (as Athena does in the play, and as the final solution makes clear) about what should and can be the result of the changes that are about to occur. This can be done better through dialogue and through assiduous diplomacy, but a way must be found for that ideology to be kept inviolate. What people believe, they have a right to believe; it is in their very souls. If you do not respect that, the same conflicts will simply continue in a reversed aspect, as they have done from Germany to Israel to Palestine. The chain then cannot be broken; the wars will continue.

Respect has to be offered to all, sinners and saints alike. I might call it a jubilee, because it is that. And the ancient Greek playwright spelled out how it is done.

What it could be at this point is the best aspirations of all concerned being honored and preserved. This state-building was a trial (like the vaccine) and we can now see it didn't work. It didn't work to have a singular faith, given the parameters of that faith, become a government. Okay. (Even that group is currently having difficulty forming a government; the time is ripe for change.)

So, start afresh, and start as all native groups do with those that ARE native - whatever their ideology. They are the true citizens of Palestine - those with heritage back before the country was divided. All others, who have participated in such a difficult experiment, fraught with danger, lived and died in the interim -- all these have heritage elsewhere. Elsewhere. That is their native land. And for the most part, those settlers came from countries now at peace with one another, and even having their own jewish communities.

Everyone is going to have to give a little, and welcome back these hardworking arch-citizens, give them the chance to enter or form communities where their ancestors are from. Take what they have learned and inspire the young people of their heritage, build strong. All nations must do this, all who lost native born back in the day.

It's better than dying. It is so much better than dying. Then their heritage will be to send their descendants on pilgrimage to the holy places which the new state of Palestine will keep watch over, since that will be an important part of its economy. And those former settlers will be able to advise new return citizens how to take care of the land, which is dear to them both.

And we all then can concentrate on restoring our mother, the earth. Empires don't need to survive; the earth does."

I'd add I hadn't read that indeed some evacuation is being messaged above when I wrote this - would also say that South Africa's solution now comes to mind as well. This situation is not unique in the world's kaleidoscopic history - there are precedents and alternatives to war.

Posted by: juliania | May 15 2021 23:58 utc | 70

Djazair @51

Check out Yasha levine

He tells the story of how Israel weaponized the Soviet union is killing Jews to have mass immigration of Soviet Jewry to Israel

https://yasha.substack.com/

Posted by: Gazza | May 16 2021 0:26 utc | 71

Mr. schmoe

You are not grasping, in my opinion, what I am saying; that there is a religious war going on whose course will not be determined by a single battle or skirmish or massacre. The Catholic Crusaders did all of that yet they lost the war.

History will repeat itself without a doubt in this case as well.

Posted by: Fyi | May 16 2021 0:27 utc | 72

Ms. Juliana

Why don't you suggest to your fellow country men to give a little: say, return the major Tejanos areas of Texas to Mexico?

And while you are at giving a little bit, please expand the area of Four Corners by a few hundred miles in 4 directions?

When will you start practicing what you are preaching?

Posted by: Fyi | May 16 2021 0:31 utc | 73

The bogus and self serving IHRA 'definition' of anti- Seminola includes the following point:

"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis."

I would like to commend barflies to two excellent books on the German occupation of the British Channel Islands in WW11.

"A Doctor's Occupation , the dramatic true story of life in Nazi-occupied Jersey," Dr John Lewis.

and " The Model Occupation, the Channel Islands under German rule 1940 - 1945," Madeleine Bunting.

It is clear to see the Zionist occupation and colonisation of Palestine is far worse than the Nazi occupation of the Channel Islands. So why is it 'illegal' to say this truth in so many Captive Nations?

Posted by: Paul | May 16 2021 0:32 utc | 74

@ Posted by: schmoe | May 15 2021 22:26 utc | 52

Yes, but, as I said in the last thread about the conflict, we have to pay attention to the inner contradictions of Israel, not its military power.

Israel faces serious systemic problems, which hover around the impossibility of having, at the same time, a Zionist State and a Liberal State. Apartheid solves that contradiction up to a a certain point, but it install within the Zionist gut the seeds of its own collapse. Also, Israel, as a capitalist state, suffers and will continue to suffer from all the contradictions inherent to the capitalist system (as it is already patent).

The only thing that keeps Israel intact is the unconditional, constant and crescent injection of American resources - to the scale of the tens of billions of USD annually. Otherwise, it would never be viable.

Posted by: vk | May 16 2021 0:34 utc | 75

An old and well-known Brazilian hip hop song (Diary of a Detainee by the Racionais MC's) says at one point: "Adolf Hitler smiles in hell". I am always reminded of it when events like this in Gaza take place. May the suffering Palestinian people find their freedom and finally live in peace, and may the Zionist war criminals one day be arrested and in jail have enough time to reflect on their crimes and injustices. In Brazil we stand in solidarity with the Palestinian drama, "From the river to the sea, Palestine free from Zionist Nazi domination!"

Posted by: Fábio Marinho | May 16 2021 0:35 utc | 76

Jason, fyi, regardless of your assertions I am not diverted from seeing the Israeli crime against humanity. IMO religion is a personal belief and the minute it becomes a public issue is the moment it transforms into a message from satan.

I am with Gilad Atzmon.

Thank you Djazaïr #57

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 16 2021 0:41 utc | 77

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1393691936192712707

Bibi makes a list of countries that stand with Israel.

Curiously, India is nowhere in sight despite the huge support for Israel among Indian internet.

Posted by: Smith | May 16 2021 0:45 utc | 78

Here is my thinking:
1. Each state expells the Israely ambassador.
........

Posted by: JB | May 15 2021 21:21 utc | 45

As if the matter was some obscure explosion 7 years ago attributed to Shin Beth on the account that putative agents were spotted in the same country. If we are allowed to fantasize, we can use some real templates.

New rules for financial transfers to Israel. Each should be deemed as a proof of supporting terrorism unless the person (physical or legal) proves otherwise. Aha, not to make it too easy, a slew of outfits should be classified as terrorist organizations, starting from Shin Beth and IDF (Iranian Republican Guards welcomes to the club!), but the list should be long.

New rules for trade. Only through two border crossings that until now were used to move goods and people to Gaza and Jordan (one for each direction). That would necessitate opening ports etc. of Gaza. All goods should be screened not to allow so-called "dual use" goods. I recall when after some opprobrium, Israel relented and allowed shipping humus to Gaza "except flavored varieties or with additives, e.g. nuts". Flavored humus has military applications known to the State of Israel, and one can borrow on their wisdom.

New rules for public discourse. Every major think tank etc. will have a department or action group to fight "fake news" from Israel and supporters. (Russia welcomes to the club!). Major social networks will screen for those fake news and ban repeated offenders.

New rules for property rights. Property of the State of Israel and oligarchs supporting its government will be impounded pending installation of a legitimate government (Russia and Venezuela welcome to the club!).

Over the years, one could add more, I did not show ANY creativity here, just following things that were done, but creativity of our sanction apparatus could be put to a different use.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 16 2021 0:46 utc | 79

@ Gazza | May 16 2021 0:26 utc | 71
Yes, weaponizing the fear in order to defend "the last safer place for jews".

Soviet's jews are probably a good asset for Zionistan.
No $. Nowhere to flight back.

As most of OAS extremists in 56-62 in Algiers. Not exactly "french" but recently emigrated from Italy or Spain.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 16 2021 0:49 utc | 80

K_C_ #47

Methinks the USAi is already a military dictatorship and the gaggle of generals signing that 'letter' are merely demonstrating their ignorance and perpetuating their manipulations. See how desperately they need to 'hold the fort' regardless of where in the world it may be. They cannot imagine 'losing afghanistan, let alone the Fort Israel. THAT is the purpose of the 'letter from the alamo' ;)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 16 2021 0:51 utc | 81

@ Smith | May 16 2021 0:45 utc | 78

I am not a fan of Twitter, no account. Very little flags.

But look like is France is not on "the Schindler list".
This tweet is a coded message.

Posted by: Assurancetourix | May 16 2021 1:06 utc | 82

@ Posted by: Gazza | May 16 2021 0:26 utc | 71

Amazingly, I accidentally unearthed this article from the distant past:

Many Soviet Jews Tasting A Bittersweet Life in Israel (WaPo, October 11th, 1986)

The Soviet Jews who have come here say they carry a knowledge of totalitarianism and of the human destruction that an omnipotent state brings to those it brands as social or political deviants.

Many also say they feel a deep sense of frustration with the wide gap they see between the determined, spartan state they read about surreptitiously in western magazines and newspapers in the Soviet Union and the society they now live in -- an Israel that many of them perceive as flabby, materialistic and profoundly ambivalent.

"Many Israelis aren't ready to make sacrifices for this country," said Hillel Butman, who served nine years in prison for his role in the attempted hijacking of a Soviet airplane. "They try to live like Americans and that depresses me. They demand too much from the state. They don't realize that they have enemies. They are too peaceful -- and too complacent."

"Those who were born here got their country for free," said Alexander Luntz, a mathematician who came here a decade ago from Moscow. "We had to fight for it and for us maybe it's worth a little bit more. We care maybe a little bit more and we don't want to lose again."

Many Soviet Jews here believe they are pawns in a new game of demographic politics between the Israeli-controlled Jewish Agency, which seeks to bring them to Israel, and North American Jewish groups that want them to go to the United States or Canada.

Many Israeli politicians, especially on the right, speak longingly of the day when a new wave of Soviet emigrants arrives here and adds its numbers and dogmatism to the effort to colonize the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip with Jewish settlers. But actually, Soviet emigres inhabit the entire breadth of Israel's political spectrum, even though their spokesmen tend to lean to the right.

Many points to raise from the quoted excepert:

1) The WaPo was a much better newspaper in 1986 than nowadays (i.e. post-9/11);

2) The Soviet Union commanded much more respect from the Americans than the Russian Federation;

3) Those communist "refugees" (one of the interviewed became a refugee because he tried to hijack a Soviet airplane!) didn't change one bit: they sell themselves as the prophets of the apocalypse in the rich West (First World countries) and demand a very generous pension in exchange for that. In reality, as we already know, they're mere charlatans, snake oil sellers to the pro-capitalist propaganda thirsty West. At least the North Korean refugees have some sense of humor (execution of underperforming generals with mortars, missiles and flamethrowers by Kim Jong-un himself; little girls dead by starvation on the streets with their ass up full of flies etc. etc.).

Posted by: vk | May 16 2021 1:12 utc | 83

3.11 A.M. UN head 'deeply disturbed' by Israeli airstrikes

A UN spokesman says Secretary-General Antonio Guterres is “deeply disturbed” by the Israeli airstrike that destroyed a high-rise building in Gaza City housing offices of several international media organizations and residential apartments, and is “dismayed” by the increasing number of civilian casualties.

“The secretary-general reminds all sides that any indiscriminate targeting of civilian and media structures violates international law and must be avoided at all costs,” spokesman Stephane Dujarric said Saturday.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 16 2021 1:13 utc | 84

I find it interesting that the recent failed coup in Jordan was being perpetrated by one of the USAi' stooges planted in the realm. Perhaps they needed that pawn in place to effectively execute their current genocide and (as is usual with hubris pickled minds) they must now continue on regardless.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 16 2021 1:16 utc | 85

Bravo, Italia.
https://www.leftvoice.org/italian-dockers-stop-arms-shipment-to-israel-in-solidarity-with-palestine?fbclid=IwAR3SVF-f9OE-AVP7JhtwTSr5N3Sohs0ZlaTZRzy1b2G26koIoA5yXXhA5rA

That wasn't too hard, wasn't it ???

Now everyone can do it.

Posted by: Paul | May 16 2021 1:28 utc | 86

I dare say that we have ourselves a civilization war going on here with sides declared and positions taken.

Will we have International Law based order or Rules based order when the dust clears?

Will we have the continuation of ongoing global private finance, will a mix of private and public finance evolve beyond what exists now to challenge the US Reserve Currency status, or all public finance...which is how it should be?

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 16 2021 1:43 utc | 87

@ Assurancetourix

Pardon me.

You can use Niter instead (it's a fork that catches Twitter API but not getting onto Twitter itself), it's what I use just for checking news tweet: https://nitter.cc/netanyahu/status/1393691936192712707

Posted by: Smith | May 16 2021 1:44 utc | 88

The tower in Tel Aviv,
Did it fall? It was certainly struck. The two hour evacuation warning was, I must say, quite a civilized grace.

Posted by: Josh | May 16 2021 1:49 utc | 89

I would think it would be a priority to take out the military airports so the Occupied Palestine jets can't get off the ground to keep up the bombing. Any MoA barflies know how many and where the airfields are?

I feel like a whussy US armchair general watching the conflict without having to suffer any of the physical pain and suffering.......yet

Thanks for all the reporting from barflies...

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 16 2021 2:00 utc | 90

Speaking of civilized graces,
One only has to review the civilian casualty reports on each side to know, to a certainty, which force is targeting whom.
By the way...

Posted by: Josh | May 16 2021 2:02 utc | 91

Tow days ago I developed the idea that the resistance, Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Palestine, Hizbullah in Lebanon and Ansar Allah in Yemen, may be planing more of the events than a superficial view reveals:

[Quoting from moa post of two days ago, emphasis is mine]

... While the conflict was, without doubt, started by the colonial occupiers the course of the recent escalation seems to be managed by the resistance side. It may well be part of a larger plan.


= = =

It's not surprising that BOTH sides have planned for an outbreak of hostilities.

We are remiss if we do not go a little further and consider the possibility that what sparked this current round of unrest is linked to the Palestinians rejection of Trump's "Deal of the Century" (which was announced on Jan 28 2020). It is the 600-lb gorilla in the room.

Clearly, if the Israelis have kicked-off this unrest then they have PLANNED for how it might unfold every bit as much (or more) as Hamas/Hezbollah.

For example, deliberate Israeli provocations that start and prolong the crisis may be aimed at providing an excuse for more land grabs (esp. in the West Bank).

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 16 2021 2:15 utc | 92

@ Mr. fyi re numerous postings but specifically # 54, #55, #56

Would you be so kind as to include specifics of the comment you are replying to in the future? You of recent rarely cite the comment number, or the utc, which makes it laborious, more than usual, to follow the conversation. (I believe I am repeating other commenters’ requests ...)

You are flawlessly courteous in addressing commenters but courteousness ( in my opinion) also includes providing ready access for readers following along to the comment to which you are replying.

Thank you.

Posted by: suzan | May 16 2021 2:44 utc | 93

fyi

we should not forget who the real terrorists are in this battle


https://twitter.com/LebUpdate/status/1393713302677725191
Tonight's bombing was a massive wage of random terror.

https://twitter.com/LebUpdate/status/1393720430079447041
The second family to be fully massacred tonight: Riyad Hassan Ashkantna, his wife and five children were killed in the bombing of an apartment on Al-Wehda Street in Gaza

---------

How many palestinian children have died or been maimed or lost family or their homes or been denied adequate sanitation/food/medical service?

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1393442206132879363
Two Palestinian children in Israeli-occupied Jaffa were burned when Zionists torched their house. The pogroms continue, while @EUinIsrael sides with the pogromists and condemns those who exercise their right to resist. So much for #NeverAgain and the "lessons of history."

----------

Max B. on how the Real Terror Network and Rules Based Order intimidates and terrorizes the press:

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1393600859909632002
There will be no #PsakiBomb condemning Israel’s military dictatorship as it literally bombs journalists working under siege in Gaza. This is the “rules based order,” where the US green lights apartheid terror.


------

AND (lmao)

https://twitter.com/ainiladra/status/1393645222157066244
hamas published the phone number of the spokesman for the zionist army & his telephone is now ringing nonstop with people cursing

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 16 2021 2:58 utc | 94

Israel is already suffering tangible economic damage from Palestine's march towards Liberation in operation “Sword of al-Quds”:

Israel suffering huge economic losses from ongoing conflict: Report

One thing I have noticed about money is that it pervades society even more efficiently than social media. People know hardship when they live it, and certainly devastation when they see it - this transcends all narrative and becomes the narrative of the real. For the people of Israel, in my view, the situation hasn't even scratched the surface of what they will come to see and experience.

Somewhere I read - in this thread I think - that Palestine can keep up this kind of attack on Israel for months. So.

~~

Hezbollah, in praising one of its martyrs, states that his life work was for Al-Quds (Jerusalem), and to this end he labored to train and supply Palestine. What we see today is part of the fruit of his labor.

Incidentally, this interview confirms the view of Taxi already cited in an earlier thread, namely that "Palestine Lives!" and that nothing has diminished the zeal of the invaded to repel the invader. The gates of liberation are indeed thrown open, and no one on earth can close them:

Hezbollah: the Liberation of Palestine entered its last stage

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 3:11 utc | 95

This may sound simple but I think Hamas is demonstrating to the American people that the IDF is a bunch of chickenshit losers because it, one of the best equipped armies in the world, won't go toe-to-toe with a poorly-equipped semi-regular guerrilla force. Instead, the Israeli government wants the US Army to rout Hamas which Congress almost certainly would approve but I suspect majority of the American people don't. Between the founding of Israel and the Six Day War in 1967, public support for Israel had been tepid at best, but 1967 proved that Israel was a winner and Americans have always loved winners along with snake oil salesmen. If Hamas continues to take the battle to Israel and Israel doesn't respond the views of a Gulf War 1 commander quoted by the War Nerd will become more prevalent and support for Israel will decline.

One of the top US commanders in GW I called the IDF "a bunch of arrogant pricks who wouldn't last ten minutes on a European battlefield."

Israel needs a victory against Hames but its "intellectually superior" people are not prepared to carry the cost

Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 16 2021 3:24 utc | 96

Earlier today AP had accused the Israeli military of intentionally misinforming the media to trick the resistance in Gaza. (The trick did not work.)

LOL what? This is what happened...

Gov: Go into Gaza
IDF: No thanks
Gov: Then make a statement you support our political efforts
IDF: Fine
IDF Twitter: We won't stop until it's quiet
(note how they didn't say until all launchers are destroyed)

International media: It was all a trick! OMG IDF GREATEST.
Everyone under 80 IQ: OMG its so true

Can you say infighting?

Step up your game son.
What is with the pro-russian blogosphere being silent and slow on this? There was more hard analysis towards the non-battle of Donbass of 2021.

It's a sad day when "we don't have the freedoms you guys have in China" ring true as Chinese media (Tik Tok et al) seem to be the only major avenue Palestinians can get their side of the story out. So much for Silicon Valley and "making a better world".

Hezbollah won't join unless Israel escalates towards Lebanon. But that doesn't mean it won't use this opportunity to improve its situation (capture soldiers, revenge fallen fighters, strike at field officers, plant traps/explosives, continue tunnel construction under the Israeli border, move caches, etc.) This is a golden opportunity to gather hard intel on how the Iron Dome performs under heavy load (apparently the inconsistent burn rate and erradic flight path is making an interception trajectory harder to calculate).

Don't forget to pay your taxes, Israel will need that money later.

Posted by: John Rambo | May 16 2021 3:25 utc | 97

We should add a note on martyrdom. It means something very valuable to the people of the Resistance. From the interview with Hezbollah I linked just now at comment #95, a statement stands out to give some solace to us all for all the people whom Israel in its madness and terror are currently massacring:

But (despite all this), Al-Quds today shines. She shines through her martyrs, she shines through the martyrs of Gaza. These Israelis today are killing children, women and men who die because they defend Al-Quds! These martyrs make Al-Quds even more resplendent, and give it even greater value in the minds of Palestinians, in the minds of Arabs and in the minds of (all) Muslims (worldwide).

- Hezbollah: the Liberation of Palestine entered its last stage

The martyrdom endured during the struggle is of course a tragedy and a loss, but it is overarchingly more than this, it is an enrichment to the final victory. It makes Al-Quds "even more resplendent" and enriches the meaning for all who live and die within this added radiance.

This is not nothing. This is something, for anyone, to gain in one's life.

This is something added to life, in the meaning given to death when life is abruptly taken away. This is what the west and the Israelis have never understood about martyrdom. They are not bringing their enemy to his knees by their atrocities and their terrorism; they are ennobling their enemy beyond ordinary stature. They are feeding their own defeat.

Ramin Mazaheri wrote a really good article about martyrdom as it is experienced in Iran, over at the Saker in recent years. If you search it out it's well worth reading if you want to understand the power of martyrdom as an active dynamic in this struggle.

Posted by: Grieved | May 16 2021 3:28 utc | 98

Posted by: Paul | May 16 2021 1:28 utc | 86

Unfortunately your link (with facebook tag at the end) doesn't work. I also tried removing the fbclid portion of the URL and no dice either. Apparently that article doesn't exist any more at Leftvoice.

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 3:45 utc | 99

Posted by: vk | May 16 2021 1:12 utc | 83 and Gazza @ #71

The article vk pulled up was used by Yasha in a recent entry he did as part of his Immigrants as a Weapon Substack blog.
Here's one of his recent articles on Soviet Jews and the alleged Nazi-style persecution that Israel tried to pretend was happening there in order to grab more Arab land with incoming Jews from the USSR.

https://yasha.substack.com/p/soviet-jews-stand-with-israel-forever?

Here's another.

https://yasha.substack.com/p/operation-save-the-soviet-jews

I'm a subscriber, so there may be a paywall on one or both.

Posted by: K_C_ | May 16 2021 3:48 utc | 100

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