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May 10, 2021

Escalation In Palestine

The already tense situations in Palestine escalated today:

Israeli police firing tear gas, stun grenades and rubber bullets clashed with stone-throwing Palestinians at a flashpoint Jerusalem holy site on Monday, the latest in a series of confrontations that threatened to push the contested city toward wider conflict.

In an apparent attempt to avoid further confrontation, Israeli authorities changed the planned route of a march by ultranationalist Jews through the Muslim Quarter of the Old City. The marchers were ordered to avoid the area and sent on a different route circumventing the Muslim Quarter on their way to the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews can pray.

But tensions remained high after Monday morning’s violence.

More than a dozen tear gas canisters and stun grenades landed in the Al-Aqsa Mosque [video], one of Islam’s holiest sites, as police and protesters faced off inside the walled compound that surrounds it, said an Associated Press photographer at the scene. Smoke rose in front of the mosque and the iconic golden-domed shrine on the site, and rocks littered the nearby plaza. Inside one area of the compound, shoes and debris lay scattered over ornate carpets.

More than 305 Palestinians were hurt, including 228 who went to hospitals and clinics for treatment, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent. Seven of the injured were in serious condition.


At the al-Aqsa mosque, Palestinian youth gathered sponge rounds,
tear gas canisters, and stun grenades that Israeli forces fired at them today and
created a model of the Dome of the Rock.
At the top, they wrote, لن تمروا -- "You will not pass."
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This afternoon the Al-Qassem brigade in Gaza gave an ultimatum to the Israeli occupiers to leave the al-Aqsa compound and to release prisoners. An hour later missiles were fired from Gaza towards Jerusalem. Additionally an anti-tank missile was fired against an Israeli army jeep (vid) near the Gaza border. Later on more missile volleys were fired by other resistance groups against targets near Gaza.

The Israeli army canceled the start of a large scale maneuver it had planned to run the next 30 days. That maneuver was seen as a preparation for an all out attack on Hezbullah in Lebanon. Yesterday Hezbullah had announced a general mobilization of its forces to deter a potential surprise attack. The Israeli troops are now on alarm for a potential escalation within Israel and Gaza.

After four elections Israel still has no new government. Prime Minister Netanyahoo is on trial for corruption. A larger war that can be spun into a victory could help him to avoid a judgment and gain votes for the likely soon coming next election.

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iron dome still seems to be pretty effective, but the Palestinians in Gaza/Hamas have never sent so many missiles into Tel Aviv and beyond.. have they?


fyi

from Elijah
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1392179438884904966

#Gaza flooded the Israeli interception systems with dozens of rockets and missiles. This has never happened before: a huge challenge to #Israel. There are direct hits registered of missiles which managed to break the Iron Dome system

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 11 2021 22:24 utc | 101

Does "Israel" die tonight?

(I do not mean to imply that the rioting or intifada will be enough but instead that the Israeli/Zionist reaction/over-reaction will be the trigger).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 11 2021 23:25 utc | 102

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 11 2021 23:25 utc | 104

Does "Israel" die tonight?

'israel' died a long time ago.

Jokes aside, the barrage of missiles reaching Tel Aviv and causing significant damage is unprecedented.

This marks a turning point, the moment when a rag tag resistance movement fighting from the modern equivalent of a warsaw ghetto was able to bypass israel's most advanced defenses.

Hezbollah, Al Houthi, the IRGRC are all watching very carefully and have taken note.

I believe one day we'll all look back and realise today is the day "israel died".

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 12 2021 0:22 utc | 103

The palestinians have stood up, missiles really make all countries equal.

Posted by: Smith | May 12 2021 0:52 utc | 104

You know it occurs to me that this could give "Biden" something to think about besides Russia & China. And just when he ws trying to get disentangled from the Middle East. I imagine Iran will still be on the agenda too, could mess up JCPOA effort. Not that that was going well. Hmmmm. If somebody did this on purpose, like to get Biden's attention, I'd say it looks like it backfired, much bigger consequences than planned.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 12 2021 0:57 utc | 105

The attacks against the faithful in the holy city must cease. The people must not be denied their right to faith and to worship, especially in the holy city and the holy places of Jerusalem (Al Quds).

Posted by: Joshua | May 12 2021 1:36 utc | 106

I am not surprised, but it never stops to instill naked outrage in me when I see the MMSM start the whitewash within days. For example, The Guardian runs an "explainer" under the current running headlines on the attacks, and not one mention of the al-Aqsa mosque raid...as if it never happened.

Posted by: Norogen | May 12 2021 1:51 utc | 107

Recent developments:
https://www.rt.com/news/523546-gaza-high-rise-strikes-intercepted/
Second Gaza high rise goes down BY Israeli air strike.

https://www.rt.com/news/523547-idf-hamas-spies-killed/
IDF chief brags about having killed Hamas "spies"

Will it end here?

Posted by: Smith | May 12 2021 6:37 utc | 108

For what it's worth, here is my contribution to the anti zionist struggle:

https://ragheadthefiendlyterrorist.wordpress.com/2021/05/12/the-zion-dome/

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 12 2021 9:15 utc | 109

. The only fair, square and just solution to the Palestine conflict would be for the Zionist Jewish so-called State of Iraël would be to limit that small Levantine statelet to those cities, villages and Kibbutzes that had a big Jewish (German and Indo-Arian) majority populatin in 1946-47. The rest should be returned to to a self-governing Semitic governance. Areas that had pre-1920 traditional settlements (like parts of Yerushalaim/al-Quds and a few famiies in Nablus and Hebron) should be allowed to remain with the Jewish families that lived there 100 years ago. All other Israëlis older than 16 years of age must be regarded as potential war criminals if they have done nothing to prevent "settler" terrorism inside Palestine. (Palestine being the Roman name for the land between the Mediterranian sea and the Jordan river.)

Posted by: Theo Oros אש תיצפ | May 12 2021 10:18 utc | 110

"During the 2014 war, it fired almost 4,000 rockets over 50 days, and most of them were intercepted by Israel’s rocket defence system. This time, Hamas launched about 850 rockets in the first two days — hundreds of them within minutes — piercing through the Iron Dom defence umbrella. If in 2014, six civilians were killed in seven weeks, Hamas rockets have killed five civilians in the first 24 hours this time"

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/news-analysis-did-israel-misjudge-hamass-response/article34540932.ece

Posted by: Antonym | May 12 2021 11:10 utc | 111

the best solution for this Israeli/Zionist vs native arabs/palestinians would be a gladiator type situation where once a week we gather 30 participants from each side... they battle to the death in an arena with basic weapons. this of course is televised/streamed worldwide. the ad revenue alone should be enough to satisfy both sides. we end the chaos of conflict as every conflict will be scheduled. we kill off a lot of overly aggressive and nationalistic nutjobs. everybody wins.

Posted by: spinach | May 12 2021 12:01 utc | 112

"During the 2014 war, it fired almost 4,000 rockets over 50 days, and most of them were intercepted by Israel’s rocket defence system. This time, Hamas launched about 850 rockets in the first two days — hundreds of them within minutes — piercing through the Iron Dom defence umbrella. If in 2014, six civilians were killed in seven weeks, Hamas rockets have killed five civilians in the first 24 hours this time"

Posted by: Antonym | May 12 2021 11:10 utc | 113

It's like the Israelis don't really understand how things work. Do they think the Palestinians will just give up if they bloviate and kill enough? Is that really realisitic? Any child can tell you different. Short term you may get some obedience. Long term you will get bombs and terror, not security. It's that old colonial mindset, still thinking they can overawe the natives. You would think after 70 years now it would occur to them, you know this is not getting better as we go along.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 12 2021 12:05 utc | 113

High rise wars the IDF claims that this is part of Hamas' terrorist infrastructure and trots out human shields. Would ONE reporter ask them what kind of infrastructure they are talking about? The IAF is destroying civilian targets in retribution for the few homes that were damaged by rockets. If you damage a house, I will destroy an apartment building. Neocons would still applaud this but at least be honest about it.

Will Israel now wake up to what Hezbollah could actually do and appreciate the years of restraint Hezbollah has exercised? Hezbollah isn't taking note. They have realized their strategic advantage for years but they are civilized. The problem is that Americans and Israelis believe their own BS about them being monsters.

It's Biden's fault a new talking point for Neocon Republicans is now making the rounds. What do they think Trump would have done, deployed an aircraft carrier to join in and destroy apt buildings. Under Trump, Bibi killed 200 Palestinians and Hamas responded w/Rockets and destroyed a bus w/Israelis on it. Under Trump there was a military coup in Myanmar that has killed hundreds. What is this Trump magic they are talking about.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 12 2021 12:17 utc | 114

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 12 2021 12:17 utc | 116

"What is this Trump magic they are talking about."

Mainly it seems to be about their personal animosities towards each other at this point, if not before. Trump, for the record, never showed any sign of knowing anything about his job up there. Just yap, yap, yap all day long. But he really wants to get back at Biden now.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 12 2021 12:23 utc | 115

I'm sorry but I read the comments here and am not impressed.

So, Israel loses maybe a handful of people and Hamas loses 10 -30 times that. The US stops any action against them and that's that. Pelosi once said they would protect Israel even if the Capitol was in ruins.
If anyone can point out something positive and solid to come out of this, I'd appreciate hearing it. Israel does whatever and has no consequence.

Posted by: Eighthman | May 12 2021 12:24 utc | 116

@ Eightman

There are still palestinians around, and they are growing.

Israel might seem strong now because they have the US backing with all the war toys, but once the US is gone, so too will Israel.

Patience, soldier.

Posted by: Smith | May 12 2021 12:44 utc | 117

The Neocon argument ... as expressed by those Neanderthals runs like this ... when Trump was President, he stood up to China, sanctioned our enemies, and let our allies know that we had their back. Now that Biden's in office the world if falling apart because he is weak. I've actually heard variations of this already.

The fact that this does not make any sense whatsoever, does not deter them because it sounds good. Truth does not matter. The Palestinians don't care about China. Netanyahu has all of the military might of Israel to deal with Gaza and Biden has already vetoed UN resolutions against Israel. So how would Trump have deterred Hamas in Gaza?

Trump did not deter them in 2018. These people are loons.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 12 2021 13:30 utc | 118

Now about be a great time for MbS to recognize Israel.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 12 2021 13:43 utc | 119

Mr. Eighthman

There is not much positive in any war, except victory.

This is not a war in itself and by itself, it is one of numerous battles being fought in the war for the control of Palestine.

I think it is accurate to say that the strategic objective of the Judeo-Christians to make Israel palatable to Muslim states has been rendered unachievable.

These battles and the war will continue.

As a consequence one of these battles, Israel will de declared Enemy of Islam and then her fate will be sealed.

Posted by: fyi | May 12 2021 13:52 utc | 120

@ Christian J Chuba

Trump was a buffoon and electing him helped China more than Biden.

Now Biden is smarter, or at least his puppeteers are smarter thus infinitely more dangerous which is why we have stuff like Myanmar, Ukraine, and Afghanistan, hell, even India, it's encirclement, they are playing Go. If you are surrounded, you lose.

Posted by: Smith | May 12 2021 13:56 utc | 121

Eighthman | May 12 2021 12:24 utc | 118

Vastly underestimated.
The whole of the Palestinian population has had enough and now has nothing to lose. Which is what Netanyahoo is coming to realise. The Shooting in Jenin and Lods is possibly a sign where this is heading. A general uprising.

Just the figures between 1st-7th May excluding Sheik Jarrah and Al Aqsa; 98 Palestinians "abducted" (including 5 previous prisoners re-arrested). 13 shot, (55 yr old woman murdered, and a Child) Christians beaten (Holy day), a shepherd beaten, fishing closed down, New Settler installation, new measurements for home demolitions, 1 car wash destroyed. Plus several police "interventions" against peaceful protests and a journalist beaten.
Israeli had two dead and one wounded in a drive-by shooting, during the same period.

This was the week before Al Aqsa, and this is the sort of thing that happens every week, over many years.

Now; the "elections have been cancelled by Abbass,(Multiple possible candidates were arrested by the IDF/Police, and are still held.) So Hamas has been excluded from any arrangement for possible peace. The Sheik Jarrah, where "woke" or "cancel" culture brainless idiots started to steal Palestinian houses openly. The Court case (Which I understand cannot legally be judged by Israel as it is the occupying power) would have given those houses to Israelis. The chance of a Court giving a non-racial judgement, is close to zero (+99+.% of children are always found "guilty").
The system where no Palestinian can contest a Military court order, means there are two types of judgement. One for Israelis and one for the others. The Judges are probably exclusively Israeli.(This iniquitous military court situation alone is the reason that a "two state solution is always continued)

The previous "judgements", which "gave" the "right" for any Israeli settler to steal whatever land they want, are followed by disposession or attacks, supported by troops.

Starvation of the 1,2 million in Gaza is ongoing. Politically being cut off from support from other Arabic countries and the UN Agency leaves nothing that will continue a sort of "Status Quo". The oil/gas fields in front of Gaza cannot be used for the benefit of Palestinians.

Assassinations and occasional bombings, etc.

What do the Palestinians have left to hope for? Once hope is gone then ......

****
If Pelosi could stand up unaided, which is doubtful, there is no way that she would be allowed to interfere. I can just see her jogging in Tel Aviv followed by Bidi as a symbol of "support" for Israel.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 12 2021 14:25 utc | 122

French gov radio broadcasting Isr prez speech talking about ... the pogroms of the Arabs against the Jews in Lod.
You get an idea...

Posted by: Mina | May 12 2021 15:03 utc | 123

It's only appropriate that neo-Apartheid America is bankrolling and arming Apartheid Israel.

The "Land of the Free" and Israel have much in common.

Both America and Israel are European colonizer nations founded on the ethnic cleansing and occupation of Native Indian and Arab lands respectively. The only difference is that the America's colonial occupation has lasted much longer--over 240 years and counting to this very day.

Both America and Israel disguise their bloodthirsty colonialist character behind Liberal Democratic propaganda about being (snicker) the World's Leading Democracy and the Middle East's Leading Democracy respectively.

Both America and Israel have highly militarized police, who increasingly rely upon extreme repression to enforce their self-styled "democracies." See America's repression of the BLM and police brutality protests last year or Israel's repression of Palestinian protests this year.

Both America and Israel have rabidly supremacist and fundamentalist religious people, who provide the grassroots political base for these quasi-fascist "democracies." It's no wonder that America's Christian Evangelicals and Israeli Zionists are such close allies.

America and Israel: Best Friends Forever.

Posted by: ak74 | May 12 2021 15:04 utc | 124

So, Israel loses maybe a handful of people and Hamas loses 10 -30 times that. The US stops any action against them and that's that. Pelosi once said they would protect Israel even if the Capitol was in ruins.
If anyone can point out something positive and solid to come out of this, I'd appreciate hearing it. Israel does whatever and has no consequence.
Posted by: Eighthman | May 12 2021 12:24 utc | 118

Positive #1. Hezbollah is watching and reviewing their Red Lines to match "Israel's" respect for Human Rights - if push comes to shove.

Positive #2. The World is watching Gaza and it's becoming obvious that Jews are not as nice as bribed politicians, and Jews themselves, claim they are.

That's enough. "Israel" like Rome, wasn't built in a day and won't die in a day. But the Delusions of Grandeur, and lack of self-respect, which led to the fall of Rome will undermine "Israel's" foundations and support.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 12 2021 15:13 utc | 125

'The Israel Narrative is Crumbling' by Caitlin Johnstone sums it up. I am amazed by the final video clip, so brazen.

The accompanying quote by Simone Zimmerman sums it up: 'Hard to capture how deeply horrifying this video is. Thousands of Israeli Jews aiming about revenge, chanting "Yimach shemam (may their names be erased)," dancing as a fire burns on Temple Mount. (The Dome of the Rock) This genocidal animus towards Palestinians -- emboldened and unfiltered.' : https://popularresistance.org/the-israel-narrative-is-crumbling/

You won't see this shocking clip on TV. The MSM like to paint a picture of some kind of equivalence between the occupied and the occupier.

Posted by: Paul | May 12 2021 15:34 utc | 126

Grrr. spell checker, should have been 'singing' about revenge.

Posted by: Paul | May 12 2021 15:36 utc | 127

Paul 129
Thank You for posting the link.
When I saw it , I was both horrified and glad.
Nothing exposes the zionist like a zionist.
Thousands of worse videos have been scrubbed by the war criminals.

Posted by: ld | May 12 2021 16:00 utc | 128

As usual, Israel commit warcrimes in fron of every tv/media camera in the west but the western governments do nothing, in fact they show support for Israel.
Could you imagine the same silence if Russia would publicly attack Ukraine: pulverize building, killing kids?
These people are so nasty with their hypocrisy.

Posted by: Zanon | May 12 2021 18:59 utc | 129

Not to mention those stupid arab states that in the past years made peace with Israel.
With that outcome Israel could attack the palestinians knowing arab states wont even protest againist the killing of arabs in Gaza.

Posted by: Zanon | May 12 2021 19:03 utc | 130

Did Israel get away with the Liberty affair? How about the slaughter of Palestinians in Lebanon? Did they murder Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai as prisoners?

Add your own outrages to the list. They are so far from any accountability that they get away with having nuclear weapons and the whole world knows but it never becomes "official" or a legal detail in the US.

The only slight hope might come if Israel gets forced to accept Arabs into the government some day and secular Israelis finally dump the Ultra Orthodox or allow their nation to fall apart while supporting religious bums/loafers.

Posted by: Eighthman | May 12 2021 20:46 utc | 131

Ok, Eighthman @133,

Here is one more Zionist outrage. The documentary evidence was released by the ICRC following the fifty year rule:

https://electronicintifada.net/content/traces-poison/4588

Mind boggling

Posted by: Paul | May 12 2021 21:26 utc | 132

Mr. Eightman

Not a chance until the political power of the Judeo-Christians in the United States be broken.

Posted by: Fyi | May 13 2021 0:14 utc | 133

Just an ordinary zionist post on i24news


elichazer elichazer
12 mai 2021, 21:37
Toulonais, la solution c'est que tous les palestiniens et arabes israéliens crèvent au plus vite et qu'on récupère et qu'on annexe la Mont de notre Temple : s'il s'agit ici du troisième lieu que les arabes se sont inventés saint, n'oublions pas qu'il s'agit du PREMIER lieu Saint des Juifs depuis 3000 ans ..... Et Israël nettoyé intégralement de tous les arabes, c'est certain qu'il y aura la paix en Israël !!!!!

If you don't speak french, machine translation is soft



The solution is that all the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs die as quickly as possible and that we recover and annex the Mount of our Temple: if this is the third place that the Arabs invented as holy, let’s not forget that it is the FIRST Holy Place of the Jews for 3000 years ..... And Israel cleansed completely of all Arabs, it is is certain that there will be peace in Israel!!!!

If you don't know what is evilly racism, just try a trip to Palestine, as an ordinary Muslim, on Ramadan.  I done it 18 years ago.

Two states "solution" was an illusion. Apartheid is debunked. Zionism don't want to share but to eliminate.
Now it's time for "one state, one man-one vote". As Nasrallah said, a lot of Zionists will flight back to Europe. The sooner the better.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 13 2021 1:44 utc | 134

M. Djazaïr

Oui, c'était une illusion créée par les judéo-chrétiens et les juifs pour d'autres personnes.

Sans doubt!

Posted by: Fyi | May 13 2021 1:52 utc | 135

Fyi | May 13 2021 1:52 utc | 137

Not only, many Arabs and Muslims "collabos" too

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 13 2021 2:25 utc | 136

If turkey quit asking russia to fix the problem and would stop playing ottoman, and instead reach out to iran and lebanon with a proposal of a trilateral peacekeeping force placing boots on the ground and draw out lines and an ultimatum of what will and won't be tolerated and the consequences of noncompliance, the whole world would change. The us isn't up to any challenge of it. It's the only workable solution at this time and it would bring actual peace extremely quickly.

Posted by: NJH | May 13 2021 2:41 utc | 137

@118 "If anyone can point out something positive and solid to come out of this, I'd appreciate hearing it."

Hamas has less than 1,000th the resources that are poured into the IDF. Probably not even 10,000th the resources.
Yet when Israel pushes them too far Hamas has shown that they are able to penetrate Israel's missile defenses.

In that light a 10:1 ratio will come as a complete shock to the Israelis.

Will they learn from that?
No, probably not. They are too racist and arrogant, and thuggishly brutal. They'll regard it as a fluke.

Is Hezbollah paying attention?
Oh, yeah, sure. They know that in a war they will take the IDF to the cleaners.

If I were an Israeli (thank god, no) then I'd be packing my bags and breaking out my other passport.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 13 2021 3:08 utc | 138

Djazaïr: my opinion is that Israelis in general do not feel at home in Europe and often outright hate Europeans. Not even France or Britain; someone like Neil Gaiman left the UK to "flee" to the US years ago and I seem to remember he is/was anti-zionist and pro-Palestinian. Many of them seem about as compatible with the local cultures (all umpteen hundreds of them) as some (again; not all) of the muslims.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 13 2021 8:03 utc | 139

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 13 2021 3:08 utc | 140

If I were an Israeli (thank god, no) then I'd be packing my bags and breaking out my other passport.

Perhaps you intend to redress an obvious injustice and power imbalance by writing in an optimistic narrative, but in my mind this is the wrong way to go.

The israeli narrative, which is widely dominant, obfuscates the notion that one party is acting aggressively while the other acts in defence. The timeline of the escalation is muddled and the preceding events igored. Much effort is also made to convince us that the forces involved and the scale of violence are balanced.

When someone suggests that this will be the end of Israel, or that Israelis will suffer imeasureably from the conflict, it ignores the reality of the balance of power. It is a form of revisionism that tends to erase the scale of the aggression and ultimately absolves the main belligerent.

Why would Israelis pack their bags if things go sour when all they could do is end the conflict? As they have demonstrated multiple times, they have this thing dialed to a drop. I can picture them setting objectives for casualties, property damage, long term disruption with set targets for residential buildings, small industry, vital infrastructure, fishing fleets, cultivated fields, etc.

Israel controls the calendar. When the job is done, they turn the faucet down and go on as they did, enjoying life on someone else's land.

Posted by: robin | May 13 2021 8:03 utc | 140

From the morning news: Isr TV-s are showing gruesome scenes of Jewish supremacists lynching Palestinians, extracting ppl from their cars, as a consequence of the Isr president speech yesterday.
How long will EU/US be able to support that if the images go viral?

Posted by: Mina | May 13 2021 8:09 utc | 141

https://www.rt.com/news/523677-israel-offensive-plan-gaza/

Damn, ground invasion of Gaza is on the table.

Bibi must be out of options now, only war and martial laws can keep him on top.

Posted by: Smith | May 13 2021 10:59 utc | 142

@Smith | May 13 2021 10:59 utc | 144

Damn, ground invasion of Gaza is on the table.

If that happens it will be extremely bloody. I don't think Israeli soldiers are looking forward to it. It is a different story compared to air assaults with missiles.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 13 2021 11:32 utc | 143

Agreeing with Norwegian.

But I think they're dragging their feet and maybe they'll keep on doing that over the weekend and maybe even longer. It's an internal battle between those within the Israeli state who understand what the result will be (it won't be about Jerusalem and Gaza any more) and those who deny any negative consequences (to put it mildly) as impossible.

I doubt they can resist doing it, and no lessons will be learnt by the US government.

That's what history says but habits are made to be broken(?) :) (said this chain-smoker).

- - - -

In my last comment I didn't mean to say or imply that Gaiman is Israeli because he's not, he was English but also jewish and afaik moved because of his perceived (and likely real) worries about being jewish in England. The point being that's not a place I would think any Israelis would want to move to, same goes for all of Europe.

Also instead of "opinion" a better word would have been "impression".

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 13 2021 15:00 utc | 144

Some launching of rockets has started again roughly 1800 UTC.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 13 2021 18:07 utc | 145

@ Mina | May 13 2021 8:09 utc | 143

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 13 2021 18:22 utc | 146

@ Mina | May 13 2021 8:09 utc | 143

Not so long...
Caitlin Johnstone is right.
But it's a long way to freedom.

As OAS and French Army in Algiers in the 60's, the only "solution" for colonialism is "la solution finale" . Never worked since American "Indian Wars"


The Israel Narrative Is Crumbling Because Of Phone Cameras And The Internet

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/05/11/the-israel-narrative-is-crumbling-because-of-phone-cameras-and-the-internet/

More and more jews are learning and afraid to be a part of the crime team .
Haaretz is back to humanity.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-those-who-thirst-for-blood-1.9801427?v=1620919175899

Even "Israëlis" are aware of the weakness.


Israel Should Focus on Evangelicals, Not U.S. Jews Who Are More Critical, Dermer Says
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-israel-should-focus-outreach-on-evangelicals-not-u-s-jews-former-envoy-says-1.9790303

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 13 2021 18:26 utc | 147

@ robin | May 13 2021 8:03 utc | 142

Why will they pack?

Please have a look at #149.
I'm born in Algiers, my mother too and so my grandmother...
At the end of the show, we must pack.

When the stone is too heavy, somebody will cut the rope. Bigeard won "la bataille d'Alger", but Général de Gaulle must save France. And cut.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 13 2021 19:05 utc | 148

Mr. Djazaïr

Algeria was a Department of France and not a colony.

All the Muslims - Arab or Berber - received education in the French Lycee; to this day they are more comfortable reading Ibn Khaldun in French than in English.

France did not face an anti-colonial revolt in Algeria - it face a civilization revolt as Muslims there rejected the philosophical underpinnings of the French Culture and opted for Islam.

When the French Left, Rational Thought and Liberty left with her too - never to be seen again. as of yet.

Posted by: fyi | May 13 2021 20:55 utc | 149

@ Djazaïr 150

Are you referring to the Algerian war of independence because you believe the situation is comparable or because your are hoping for a similar ending in Palestine?

Apart from war crimes by the colonists, context is very different, be it geographic, demographic or international. There won't be guerrilla warfare from the mountains of Gaza.

Posted by: robin | May 13 2021 21:24 utc | 150

@ Fyi
Yes, I'm born in a french "department". But Arabs were never recognize "citizens"! https://www.cairn.info/revue-histoire-de-la-justice-2005-1-page-93.htm
So, unfortunately, your whole post on Algeria is false [or fake, but I don't want to be aggressive].
130 years of colonialism. And collapse. On anticolonial, cultural, economic and demographic issues not only one. [please don't reduce humanity to judeo-muslimo-christiano-buddisto...] "Wir sind das Volk!"
Bigeard win the war, but De Gaulle had tu cut the rope.

@ robin, I don't compare (even if the Zionists were involved in the war against Algerian independence). But colonialism will fail on the same 4 issues [and some good places for guerilla from Naplus to Jenin]

See you on 13th May thread.

Posted by: Djazair | May 13 2021 23:39 utc | 151

Mr. Djazair

At the time of the so-called Algerian Revolution, Muslims were enfranchised and enjoyed the same citizenship rights as the European French.

Muslims, when felt themselves empowered and educated enough to feel confident about their ability to run the European machinery of the government, set about rejecting the (Christian) European Civilization. In Algeria, in Tunisia, in Morocco - they did not revert back to Islam, they created a creole civilization & culture.

Every single Muslim country is a creole one at the present time; even the Persianate Culture and Civilization has been forced to graft many many European ideas into itself in order to survive (but not yet prosper).

I think you are underestimating the influence of religious ideas and practices; we are witnessing an example of it presently in Palestine.

Another instance is the situation in France; elle'st disfiguree - le pays de ma jeunesse est disparu.

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 0:03 utc | 152

@ fyi | May 14 2021 0:03 utc | 154
1st Escalation In Palestine thread


"Muslims were enfranchised and enjoyed the same citizenship rights as the European French."


As "Arabs Israëlies" in the so called "Jewish State"?

Total theoretical BS.

Don't worth an answer.
You remember me an Izi policeman at entrance of Haram esh-Sharif. We are told to recite a bit of the Quran to him, in order to prove our "Muslimity".


Good night, sleep tight.

Posted by: Djazaïr | May 14 2021 16:43 utc | 153

Steps should be taken against Israel by all peaceful Countries specially Muslims countries as they love to live in peace.

Posted by: samiya Ali | May 17 2021 10:41 utc | 154

End of Israel is not so far.

Posted by: Umaima | May 17 2021 16:08 utc | 155

@25
Posted by: Anon | May 10 2021 23:27 utc | 28

Piss off, Hasbara trolls ruin every website they are permitted to post to. But that is what they are paid to do.

Posted by: Paul | May 11 2021 0:35 utc | 29

THIRD OPINION:

To be frank, your "muzzies" are just conservative christians/jews in ritual perspective who want to live with their families in piece.

Your "terrorists" are postmodern individuals. They react to the modern ideology by enlightened materialist means (reign of terror, deed and effect theory).


Posted by: Peter Kanzler | May 28 2021 16:32 utc | 156

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