Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 13, 2021

Escalation In Palestine - Hizbullah Is Ready To Join The Fight

The current war the occupiers of Palestine wage on the indigenous population has some unusual features.

While the conflict was, without doubt, started by the colonial occupiers the course of the recent escalation seems to be managed by the resistance side. It may well be part of a larger plan.

The Israeli army had for some time planned a large scale 30-days long maneuver to rehearse an attack on Hezbullah in Lebanon. Last week Hizbullah reacted to that:

The Lebanon-based Hezbollah terror organization has announced it is on high alert following the IDF’s launching of its largest-ever military exercise.

The IDF launched on Sunday its “Chariots of Fire” month-long exercise simulating war on several fronts, and primarily against Hezbollah in the north, including the massive firing of missiles and rockets from all arenas on the home front.

This is the largest and most comprehensive IDF maneuver in its history...

The maneuver had been announced for some time. Hizbullah has feared that the maneuver was a deception for a planned Israeli assault on Lebanon. It came at an interesting moment.

The International Day of Al-Quds (Jerusalem) was inaugurated by Imam Khomeini in 1979, the year of the triumph of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, to revive the Palestinian cause, and is celebrated on the last Friday of the month of Ramadan.

The last Friday of Ramadan was May 7. On May 5 the Secretary General of Hizbullah Hassan Nasrallah gave his yearly Al-Quds day speech:

[O]ur responsibility for Al-Quds Day is to provide all possible help to the Palestinian people, to the Palestinian Resistance; the Axis of Resistance must be even more united and attached to the cause, and it already is, it must increase its readiness (for the final war), it must strengthen itself further, because it is the Axis of Resistance that will shape the future of the Middle East.

If we follow the development of the current phase of the conflict in Palestine those words may getting a deeper meaning:

Al-Aqsa Mosque, one of the three holiest sites in Islam, has long been an emblem of Palestinian resistance to Israeli occupation.

Al-Haram al-Sharif (the Noble Sanctuary), the complex in Jerusalem’s Old City that houses the mosque - which includes the Dome of the Rock and other Islamic shrines - is arguably the most significant symbol of Palestinian sovereignty.

Jerusalem has been on edge for weeks over Israel's restrictions on Palestinian access to parts of the Old City during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, and Israeli authorities' attempted eviction of several Palestinian families in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood to make way for Israeli settlers.

Al-Aqsa found itself at the centre of a long weekend of violence from Friday, that left hundreds of people injured and led to a series of deadly rocket exchanges between the Israel military and Hamas in Gaza.

By Tuesday night, Israeli security forces had raided the holy site four times in five days.

On Friday May 7, Al-Quds day, the first protests at Al-Aqsa against the stealing of the houses in Sheikh Jarrah happened. They were also against the year's 'Death to Arabs' Flag March by ultra-zionist settlers through east Jerusalem which had been planned for Sunday May 9.

The settler march was called off but the protests and the raids on Al-Aqsa continued. By Monday night Israel security forces had stormed Al-Aqsa three times. According to the Palestinian Red Cross 305 Palestinians were injured and 228 others hospitalized including four in a critical condition.

On Monday the Israel military called off its “Chariots of Fire” exercise in the north to concentrate on a possible escalation of violence in Jerusalem.

That was the point where the resistance in the Gaza strip joined the conflict by launching missiles on Israeli settlements.

The move was not necessary. Gaza voluntarily entered the conflict. Presumably the resistance leadership in Gaza believes that it has the capabilities and backing to sustain a new round of fighting. Since then some 2,000 missiles were fired against Israeli targets as far away from Gaza as Tel Aviv, some 230 kilometers north of Gaza. This is a much greater range than previous missiles fired from Gaza have had. Only some 10-20% of the missiles fired reach their target. Some are caught by Israel's missiles defense but many of the locally produced weapons are not precise enough or simply fail. Still - the psychological effect on the colonial population is severe.

Israel immediately began to wage an air war on Gaza. As in previous rounds of the conflict it targeted the media, the police and civil infrastructure. These strikes are war crimes. They were accompanied by an assassination campaign against presumed resistance leaders.

On Monday May 10 another front opened up as anti-Jewish protests happened in Lod. Shops were damaged and cars set on fire. The next two night anti-Arab pogroms and anti-Jewish rioting escalated:

Israel on Wednesday experienced its worst night of internal Jewish-Arab chaos for many years, amid the ongoing armed conflict with Gaza, as scenes of unrest, rioting, hate rallies and growing social chaos spread throughout numerous cities, some of which were once seen as symbols of coexistence.

Violent confrontations erupted in Lod, Acre, Jerusalem, Haifa, Bat Yam, Tiberias and many other locations, with people injured, some of them seriously, leading Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to announce he was looking at deploying the military inside towns to restore order.
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Jewish mobs were seen roaming the streets of Tiberias and Haifa looking for Arabs to assault.

In Jerusalem, an Arab was stabbed by Jews and seriously injured at the Mahane Yehuda market.

“Death to Arabs” was heard in many locations of Jewish rallies.

Meanwhile, in Acre, a Jewish man was assaulted by Arab rioters and hit with rocks and iron bars, and was hospitalized in critical condition.

Arab rioting was reported in Jerusalem, Lod, Haifa, Tamra and elsewhere.

The Israeli military has called up reserves and moved forces down south to the boarder with Gaza. Today the Gaza resistance used for the first time suicide drones against Israeli missile defenses. Israeli troop concentrations around Gaza will have to fear that new weapon.

The Israeli government under still Prime Minister Netanyahoo is now threatening a ground invasion of Gaza. But ground assaults always cause casualties within the attacking forces,  something the Israelis are usually keen to avoid. It will take more missiles fired from Gaza to goad Netanyahoo into launching such an attack.

Despite the Israeli and Egyptian blockade of the Gaza strip the resistance forces there seems to be well supplied. They may well have more capabilities than is currently assumed.

With unrest in Jerusalem, pogroms in Israeli cities, a potential third intifada in the occupied West Bank and a ground invasion of Gaza the Israeli army will be very busy. If it comes to that during the next few days the time could be right for Hizbullah, already on full alarm, to step in and to attack the occupation on the grounds that it is  holding.

Nasrallah's speech last week can be understood as an announcement of such a step:

My last message will be for the Israelis themselves. I tell them this: you know well, in your heart of hearts, whether it is based on your religious texts or doctrines, on your books or your prophecies, and also based on what some of your leaders and experts say, and also some of your religious authorities, you know (very well) that this entity (Israel) has no future, that it is on the verge of extinction and that it has little time left to live, very little time. Therefore, in this battle you are wasting your energy, and your young people are wasting their youth and their blood, in vain and to no avail.
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We believe in this near future (where Israel won’t exist anymore), we believe in it very firmly, and this faith is not based only on religious and ideological bases, but is based (above all) on the data, on the events which occur, especially on those of the last decades, the last years and on what will happen (soon) in this region.

It is possible that Netanyahoo had planned the original escalation in Jerusalem to stay in office:

After four elections Israel still has no new government. Prime Minister Netanyahoo is on trial for corruption. A larger war that can be spun into a victory could help him to avoid a judgment and gain votes for the likely soon coming next election.

It that was his plan he has achieved a first step towards it:

Yamina party leader Naftali Bennett has taken “off the table” the option of forming a government without Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud, due to the ongoing military conflict with Gaza terrorists, a political source says.

Bennett has renewed his negotiations with Likud due to the emergency situation, and teams from both parties met today, the source says on condition of anonymity.

But it is not Netanyahoo who can decide when the missiles from Gaza will stop flying. It is not Netanyahoo who can control the Palestinian youth. The escalation dominance is not in his hands but in the hands of the resistance. It is the resistance that decides when the conflict ends.

Ali @allushiii_new - 18:19 UTC · May 13, 2021
Bismillahhhh
3 rockets fired from Lebanon into Palestine

The Daily Star in Lebanon confirmed tonight's rocket strike. If Israel reacts to that provocation as it usually does a war in its north could soon become reality. It would not be a small one.

Ansar Allah, the Houthi led movement in Yemen, has offered to join a fight against the colonists. It is well know for its long range surprise capabilities and these may at one point be used in the fight.

While I am still not sure that all of this is part of a plan - from Hizbullah's speech, over unrest in Jerusalem, Gaza missiles, pogroms, to now missiles from Lebanon - it surely looks like a well rehearsed and coordinated (re-)action of the resistance front.

General Qasem Soleimani's plans are coming to fruition.

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@foolisholdman | May 14 2021 12:48 utc | 101

I think what happens is that b deletes some posts and all the numbers above the deleted post diminish by one.

Yes that is generally true, but in this case the numbers are increasing instead of diminishing. Maybe some posts have returned from the dead?

For example
Paul | May 14 2021 1:46 utc | 42 (as referenced by vk May 14 2021 1:49 utc)
later becomes
Paul | May 14 2021 1:46 utc | 44

In any case, the references should always include the utc time to make things less confusing

Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2021 13:17 utc | 101

Heard this HT episode on ABC.net.au NewsRadio, a BBC affiliate, this afternoon.

‎Sackur's interviews are usually filmed with a sound track.
This info is the result of Googling >BBC Stephen Sackur Gaza interview May 2021<
So it's a bit weird that Google went to a podcast instead of the BBC website(?)

HARDtalk on Apple Podcasts
https://podcasts.apple.com › podcast › hardtalk
In-depth, hard-hitting interviews with newsworthy personalities. ... HARDtalk BBC ... 13 MAY 2021 ... The escalating violence between Israel and the militant Islamic groups in Gaza has the potential to inflict terrible bloodshed, but will it change any of ... Stephen Sackur speaks to Israel's Ambassador to the UK Tzipi Hotovely.

Sackur had a hard time getting his head around this psychopath's reasoning.
If the World is ever ruled openly, or not, by Jews (after Ru-Cn & USA wipe each other out) we're all Palestinians.

Xymphora's April 20, 2021 post on the world-wide Jewish Coordination Network Conspiracy Theory is worth contemplating.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 14 2021 13:18 utc | 102

Video evidence of Lying bastards caught being lying bastards....


    Shereen Allam
    @shereen_allam
    R
    Israelis ripping their clothes to make it look like they've been attacked, getting caught on camera
    مجموعة من المستوطنين يشقون ملابسهم مدعين انهم تعرضوا للاعتداء من المسلمين!!!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/shereen_allam/status/1392222474293678093

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 13:29 utc | 103

Re: 104

The "oh shit!" Look on the face of the little lying bastard in the green teeshirt is priceless

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 13:33 utc | 104

Recently unearthed longlost video footage (colourised) of Two members of the Nationalsozialistische Frauenschaft, celebrating in the immediate aftermath of Kristallnacht.



Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 13:41 utc | 105


Around the time the IDF was preparing to enter Gaza there were 3 rockets fired from South Lebanon.

Shortly after we began to hear conflicting reports about whether they were going in or not.

I believe the IDF got a warning from Nasrallah … “Stay out of Gaza, or we get involved …”

No further rockets from South Lebanon since the IDF ‘clarified’ their position.

Nasrallah is watching … making sure the fight is fair. He is the Hidden Referee in this fight …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 13:49 utc | 106

Recently unearthed longlost video footage (colourised) of patriotische ReichCitizens being interviewed by Der Reichsverband der Deutschen Presse, voicing their unremitting and unqualified support für Endlösung

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 13:54 utc | 107

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 13:49 utc | 107

Hizbullah has claimed they did not fire those missiles.

It is not part of Hizbullah's Modus Operandi to fire missiles and then openly deny responsibility for doing so.

I believe Hizbullah when they say that they did not fire any missiles.

They have a proven track record of not lying about such events.

Zionazis and their fellow travellers on the other hand have a proven track record of ignoring denials of responsibilty by Hizbullah for certain events, and continuing to repeatedly dishonestly attach blame to Hizbullah, long after they have made official statements denyong responsibility for whatever it is the lying Zios are trying to blame them for.

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:01 utc | 108

Posted by: Stargazer | May 14 2021 1:48 utc | 45

”That is why US evangelicals are strong supporters of Israel. They are Jews parading as Christians. My mom is one of them.”

Assume the population of USA is 320,000,000 and that ~25% of said population is Evangelical Christian. This implies that there are ~ 82,000,000 USAn “Jews parading as Christians.”

I believe your theory needs refining.

Posted by: suzan | May 14 2021 14:03 utc | 109

Posted by: Stargazer | May 14 2021 1:48 utc | 45

”That is why US evangelicals are strong supporters of Israel. They are Jews parading as Christians. My mom is one of them.”

Assume the population of USA is 320,000,000 and that ~25% of said population is Evangelical Christian. This implies that there are ~ 82,000,000 USAn “Jews parading as Christians.”

I believe your theory needs refining.

Posted by: suzan | May 14 2021 14:03 utc | 110

Posted by: Stargazer | May 14 2021 1:48 utc | 45

”That is why US evangelicals are strong supporters of Israel. They are Jews parading as Christians. My mom is one of them.”

Assume the population of USA is 320,000,000 and that ~25% of said population is Evangelical Christian. This implies that there are ~ 82,000,000 USAn “Jews parading as Christians.”

I believe your theory needs refining.

Posted by: suzan | May 14 2021 14:03 utc | 111

I apologize for the multiple postings. Don’t know why that occurred.

Posted by: suzan | May 14 2021 14:05 utc | 112

Should be pop 330,000,000.

Posted by: suzan | May 14 2021 14:08 utc | 113

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:01 utc | 109


Hizbullah has claimed they did not fire those missiles.
It is not part of Hizbullah's Modus Operandi to fire missiles and then openly deny responsibility for doing so.

Indeed they did not and indeed it is not.

However, it's also not believable that anything can be fired from South Lebanon by anyone without Hezbollah giving the go ahead.

IF they did not fire it, then they certainly permitted it to be fired.

Just think: When last did it happen that anything is done in South Lebanon without Hezbollah's let? It is impossible for Hezbollah to allow uncontrolled firing from South Lebanon because it could mean a massive response from israel at an inconvenient time.

Therefore, if Hezbollah did not fire it it is almost certain they permitted it.

The timing adds to the suspicion as well.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 14:16 utc | 114

Like i said earlier

    Zionazis and their fellow travellers on the other hand have a proven track record of ignoring denials of responsibilty by Hizbullah for certain events, and continuing to repeatedly dishonestly attach blame to Hizbullah, long after they have made official statements denyong responsibility for whatever it is the lying Zios are trying to blame them for.

    Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:01 utc | 109

This is what happens when one thinks with a lying Zionazi mindset.

That you simply cannot believe them when they claim no responsibility for those missiles is nothing more than the result of the obvious corruption of any ability you ever might have previously had, to think like an honest person.

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:21 utc | 115

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 14:16 utc | 115

Obviously your mind has been corrupted from years and years of desperatly trying to wring some truth, however meagre, from the infamously dishonest and dissembelling offical statements of FUKUS Imperialists and Talmudic Zionazis.

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:29 utc | 116

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:21 utc | 116


This is what happens when one thinks with a lying Zionazi mindset.

That you simply cannot believe them when they claim no responsibility for those missiles is nothing more than the result of the obvious corruption of any ability you ever might have previously had, to think like an honest person.

Stop being an idiot. Snap out of it.

All warfare is based on deception. All of it. Hezbollah and all others. And Hezbollah in particular.

And there is nothing wrong with it within the context of war, because wars are won by cunning and not by silly notions of superficial honesty.

And learn to read, or at least comprehend. I said:


Therefore, if Hezbollah did not fire it it is almost certain they permitted it.

There is no deception on their part in saying they did not fire it, if this is the scenario that played out.

And it is certainly silly to imagine that anything could be fired from S.L without Hezbollah allowing it. I say "allow" it.

But if you insist on being obtuse, be my guest.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 14:30 utc | 117

Triden | May 14 2021 14:01 utc | 109

I agree. Hizbollah has a proven track record - the exact opposite of western politicians - of not lying. That's why b's piece on Nasrallah is such an eye opener. The man does not say anything unless he means it.

Arch's position, that Hizbollah knew of the rocket launches and allowed it, is certainly possible. None of us actually know. We simply form an opinion based on past behavior.

My problem with the idea the rockets were a Hizbollah warning is that it makes no sense to me. Doesn't Hamas want a ground invasion of Gaza in order to inflict military losses on the IDF? If so, why would Hizbollah be against it? If Hizbollah is going to open a northern front then the IDF tied up in Gaza is the ideal situation for them.

Posted by: EoinW | May 14 2021 14:33 utc | 118


"Therefore, if Hezbollah did not fire it it is almost certain they permitted it."

There is no deception on their part in saying they did not fire it, if this is the scenario that played out.

And it is certainly silly to imagine that anything could be fired from S.L without Hezbollah allowing it. I say "allow" it.

But if you insist on being obtuse, be my guest.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 14:30 utc | 118

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I not being at all obtuse, not even in the slightest

I was being perfect earnest when I said :

    Obviously your mind has been corrupted from years and years of desperatly trying to whring some truth, however meagre, from the infamously dishonest and dissembelling offical statements of FUKUS Imperialists and Talmudic Zionazis.

    Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:29 utc | 117

Your follow-up @118 proves it. You're so used to the dissembling legalistic lies of FUKUS and Talmudic Zionazis that you simply cannot process honest statements of denial regarding responsibility gor those rockets.

That simply is not how Hizbullah operates.

They say what they mean and they mean what they say.

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:39 utc | 119

Mr. foolisholdman

Interesting aphorism.

So, Faith makes them Lie?

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 14:43 utc | 120

That's why b's piece on Nasrallah is such an eye opener. The man does not say anything unless he means it.

Posted by: EoinW | May 14 2021 14:33 utc | 119

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It's an eye-opener alrighty.

Just, quite possibly, not quite in the way you mean.

Btw b is by no means infallible. Treating him as such is, frankly, idiotic.

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:43 utc | 121

Mr. Smith

I agree, there is no 4-D Chess game here; just plain old religious war.

Mr. Nasrallah implicitly acknowledges further that Peace is not achievable on the basis of mutual coexistence.

The premises of Camp David Accords and Oslo Accords are no longer valid.

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 14:46 utc | 122

@ Posted by: m | May 14 2021 8:25 utc | 83

Israel the nation-state, yes, but Israel the Zionist Dream (as envisaged by its founding fathers) is already dead.

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@ Posted by: Anon | May 14 2021 5:40 utc | 71

That's when geopolitics comes into play and religion gets out: the USA and Europe will never allow Israel to do that for the simple reason they don't want a new wave of refugees and radicalized militants in their own territories.

Like I said in my first comment here: Israel only survives nowadays as the emanation of the American Empire's will in the Levant. That's the ceiling of actually existing Zionism.

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@ Posted by: Guerrero | May 14 2021 5:06 utc | 68

The greatest resentment of the Jews towards the Christians and the Muslims lies in the fact that those latter two chose the correct strategy. Judaism became stuck in size and political status for centuries because they insisted on restricting membership to ethnicity (you're only a Jew if your mother is a Jew), while its two children (Christianism and Islamism) adopted a cosmopolitan approach and opened themselves to universal membership.

As a result, the Christians infected and took over the Roman Empire from within, while the Muslims created their own empire a few centuries later, almost immediately after its invention. Both are now 1 billion+ "world religions", while Judaism is merely a medium-small religion. That may even contribute to Israel's brutality towards the Palestinians, as they may compare themselves to the brutal forced conversions by the Christians and Muslims during the Middle Ages and Modern Age, i.e. not by contemporary standards.

That's why Judaism nowadays are accepting converted Jews. You can become a Jew nowadays if you want. The Israelis clearly want to make up for lost time and become a "world religion", a place they think its theirs by right, as their two offspring also enjoy that status. In this sense, to consolidate and expand its own nation-state is essential, as it is only through the State that a religion can gain legitimacy and universality (the Roman Empire for the Christians; the Caliphate for the Muslims).

Posted by: vk | May 14 2021 14:53 utc | 123

The premises of Camp David Accords and Oslo Accords are no longer valid.

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 14:46 utc | 123

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They never were.

It's impossible to coexist with someone whose whole philosophy is "According to this old text, which we actually wrote ourselves, What is your's is actually mine."

"agree, there is no 4-D Chess game here; just plain old religious war."

Pure Nonsense.
It's the same centuries-old Imperialism, colonial dispossesion and ethnic cleansing, disguised as "religious conflict"

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:53 utc | 124

IDF says the current operation will continue until Gaza is “completely quiet”. The only way to accomplish the silence of the grave is to kill them all. Netanyahu says the bombardment of Gaza continues as long as necessary.

These people have no imagination. They sincerely believe they are invincible.

Any wondering if the Arab world/Axis of Resistance will lift a finger needs to get better news sources. It is not speculation, it is occurring. Palestinians are smelling victory, Israelis are smelling defeat. For now that is only a guarantee it shall be ugly.

Number of missiles in Hamas or Hezbullah arsenal is not the question. Question is what sort of guidance those missiles have. That Hamas has succeeded in precisely striking and damaging a variety of Israeli infrastructure targets says they do have guidance.That many missiles still fail to even get as far as the border says there are still a lot of amateurish homemade missiles. Hezbullah presumably has better average quality. Iran definitely has high quality, it was old inventory that scored direct hits on the American base in Iraq, new stuff is still better.

One thing that is known is Iron Dome is nothing but failure.Right now they are covering for failure with endless glowing news reports about amazing interceptions. What gets hit is slow moving missiles on high purely ballistic trajectories. Incredibly simple to decoy Iron Dome.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 14 2021 15:00 utc | 125

And it is certainly silly to imagine that anything could be fired from S.L without Hezbollah allowing it. I say "allow" it.

But if you insist on being obtuse, be my guest.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 14:30 utc | 118


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On the 7th February 1991 the IRA managed to do something very similar, slap bang in the centre of London, arguably at that time the most surveilled city on the planet.


Doing something similar in rural south Lebanon, without the knowledge of Hizbullah, would by no means be the ultra-impossible task you are pretending it would be

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 15:02 utc | 126

fyi | May 14 2021 14:43 utc | 121 : "Faith makes them lie?"

When the existence of the Church is threatened, she is released from the commandments of morality. With unity as the end, the use of every means is sanctified, even deceit, treachery, violence, usury, prison, and death. Because order serves the good of the community, the individual must be sacrificed for the common good.

--Dietrich von Nieheim, Bishop of Verden, 1411.

Show me an organized religion that does not operate on this principle. To say nothing of states.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 15:08 utc | 127

Mr. Trident

I think you are not giving credence to the existence of Religious Passions & Emotions on all sides.

What does the so-called Secular Republic hope to gain in Palestine, oil, gas, what exactly?

No Mr. Trident - they are trying to expedite the coming of their savior, so that they do not have to think about Life and face Death.

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 15:09 utc | 128

Mr. corvo

So, one has to go back to the 15-th century to find something analogous?

That is not Catholic Church Doctrine - as far as I know.

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 15:11 utc | 129

Mr. vk

There is no chance for Judaism to become a World Religion - the ethos of it mitigates against such a project, in my opinion.

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 15:16 utc | 130

I think you are not giving credence to the existence of Religious Passions & Emotions on all sides.


Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 15:09 utc | 129


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Perhaps not. But i certainly do give credence to the notion that you are an idiot, not worth replying to.

Please Fell welcome to give full credence to the notion that you should consider this my first and final communication with you.

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 15:26 utc | 131

This is a more accurate timeline of events than B's.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/time-its-different/33006

Also, key dynamics which must be integrated:

1. Protests of Palestinians inside 1948. A huge step forward towards liberation.
2. Protests at the Jordanian and Lebanese borders.
3. Fascist Jewish violence against Palestinians in the West Bank and in "Israel", expose the satanic character of the Zionist people.
4. The Palestinian resistance's upgraded missile capacity, shooting from Gaza to Haifa.
5. Hamas has yet to use its best missiles and will be much better armed to face any serious, though unlikely, ground invasion.
6. Israeli forces will be spread thin if all these dynamics continue.
7. Hezbollah, Syria and Iran, the Houthis, and Iraqi resistance have yet to move into action.

Objectively, then, we can draw several analytical points:

1. Israel is probably now looking for superficial ways to look like a victor. The only means it has to do so is to terrorize Gaza. Expect more shelling, bombing, deliberate deaths, partial ground invasions. It's a low-grade genocidal strategy. And it's counter productive. "Everything you've done to us is registered in notebooks," as one Palestinian poet put it.

2. But the entire system of zionist domination and oppression -- dividing Palestinians between 1948, the OT, the refugees, Gaza, the diaspora, etc, -- has been exposed and Palestinians themselves are unifying and undermining that system. This is a major step.

3. The ethnic cleansing nature of Israel will be further exposed as Palestinian unity is demonstrated. Expect more programs by those fascist Jewish supremacists. This will further degrade Israel's image in world opinion.

4. The resistance axis, with Iran at the lead, will be waiting. But for now, the struggle is being lead successfully by Palestinians themselves. However, don't fear, they won't be abandoned. The resistance axis will not allow another nakba. They will enter in full force when or if the time is right.

Every round gets us closer to ridding Palestine of Zionism.

Posted by: Prof | May 14 2021 15:28 utc | 132

fyi | May 14 2021 15:11 utc | 130

It may not be Catholic Church doctrine, but it has certainly been Catholic Church practice to the extent that Holy Mother Church has had temporal power to wield. The unicorns-and-rainbows Church arose only as She lost temporal power.

As for the quote, I didn't have to dig into ancient Church history to find it; it's the epigraph to "The Second Hearing" in Darkness at Noon. Stalin learned well when in the seminary, even though it wasn't a Roman Catholic one.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 15:30 utc | 133

@Prof | May 14 2021 15:28 utc | 133

Thank you. A very significant summary. I fear the Zionists will do something very stupid.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2021 15:39 utc | 134

In response to some of the comments speculating about the role of Russia in the conflict, it is my understanding that it would be counterproductive for Russia to side with either faction and that it would go against their overarching international strategy of strengthening the UN and multilateral regulation. Russia maintains strong ties with both the Arab world and Israel and is, in my opinion, angling towards supplanting the US as the guarantor of Israeli statehood -- whether such a development would change the Israel-Palestine dynamic in the short term, or the overall role of Israel in the region, and to what degree, is up for debate.

In this context, any development that may lead to a crisis which cannot be resolved by the Western powers, no matter the unconditional support these may have for the Zionist entity, serves Russian strategic interests in eroding the influence of the Western powers in the region and their legitimacy, and thus any role they might have on a future conflict resolution. This is of course my personal interpretation of the Russian strategy, and there's room for criticism based on misinterpretation that I would like to address preemptively.

First off, one might get the idea that it would be in the interests of Russia to cynically inflame tensions in the region in order to help the process along, and thus peaceful coexistence within the current power configuration would go against Russian interests. I would argue that this is not the case, since we cannot presume that regional tensions miraculously subside on their own while Western unilateral dominance over the region which created these tensions in the first place persists in its unaltered form. There is no need to stoke a fire that's already burning red hot and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Rather, it would fulfill an even more crucial Russian objective if the adherents of the rules based order gradually abandoned their hegemonic strategy in the middle east and instead joined a multipolar framework for resolving this conflict, which going by the consistency of statement made by Russian officials is the only format which they see as having any chance of success. At least from their point of view, it would be pointless to consider and plan for the possibility of a unilateral and permanent victory of any side of the conflict over the other.

Secondly, one might interpret it as a cynical plot by Russia to let others do the fighting as part of its strategic planning, while Russia itself attempts to walk the tightrope of neutrality. Particularly since the sides of the conflict are well defined, with one side closely aligned to the overall geopolitical goals of Russia itself, and the other patently hostile to Russia, it's common to see the Russian strategy framed in terms of a betrayal of its allies or ideals. This interpretation makes two, in my opinion, inaccurate presumptions. One, that Russia would be more effective and able to accomplish more within a unilateral format, forcing on it the mantle of a competing hegemon -- be it in coalition with others or on its own -- while all official Russian statements reject the very notion and long-term viability of such power configurations. Two, that Russia is able to project more political influence and have a bigger impact on conflict resolution through direct military intervention than through diplomacy and mediation, the second option in that case becoming irreversibly dependent on the results of the first option. These presumptions seem to me to be a reflexive byproduct of contemporary Western geopolitical strategy, and arguably are more appearance than result oriented -- more useful in appeasing domestic demand for a comprehensive strategy within the time-frame of an election-cycle than achieving long-term objectives.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 14 2021 15:40 utc | 135

@Stargazer | May 14 2021 1:48 utc | 45 quote "That is why US evangelicals are strong supporters of Israel. They are Jews parading as Christians. My mom is one of them." i don't see it that way myself... it has to do with taking everything literally which is the strength and weakness of fundamentalism... if it says in the bible that israel are the chosen people - you take it literally... you don't think metaphorically, or metaphysically to understand the psychological drama that the bible represents.. you take it all literally... so, no.. they are not jews parading as christians.. they are fundamentalists - much like any person involved in religion who is incapable of understanding the nature of parables and etc. etc.. that is how i see it..

@ MarkU | May 14 2021 8:25 utc | 82.. posts get held in moderation sometimes and added later.. thus, the numbers change..

Posted by: james | May 14 2021 15:57 utc | 136

Grieved | May 14 2021 5:10 utc | 69

Remove the color. Let them stand accused of their crimes. This is the conversation that is eventually coming. They can run ahead of karmic justice for only so long, and then it catches up, and that time may looming.

Conflating karma and justice is atkin to mixing water and oil.

Justice is punishment contrived as retribution, or if you will, a socially and politically acceptable form of revenge. It often (but not always) takes property and physical freedom in lieu of life, and it inflicts social stigma in lieu of physical or psychological harm. Thus it is appropriated in this life to the offender, or in the more egregious cases, to offspring and clansmen.

In contrast, karma operates over lifetimes and takes many eons to resolve. It is not in retaliation to any particular wrong, but rather the necessary outcome of being ignorant of your own dharma, ie the attachments and conditions that keep you trapped within the endless cycle of existence. From such a perspective, death is not an evil in itself, but a mere fufillment of the process. So also is the chaos of destruction the completion of the order of creation. The wheel turns and grinds all, aggressor and victim alike.

Posted by: Justin | May 14 2021 15:59 utc | 137

Mr. Trident

Please consider my designation of you as a typical Internet asshole jerk; prime example of the flower of creation!

You cannot maintain a civil tongue and you presume to pontificate on matters of Life & Death, Justice and Injustice?

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 16:01 utc | 138

it's hard to have concrete "plans" for the israelis but despite their overall instability and irrationality once fighting starts they're painfully predictable. also: between covid and the internecine election nonsense ("which doughy white racist prick should we choose this time?") there have been a lot more opportunities than usual.

nasrallah is not a dumb guy nor are any iranians (and syrians) helping him. the israelis can't compete on a level playing field and ground wars never end well. thses aren't nuclear scientists coming out of starbucks or kids throwing rocks; the guys they're pissing off at this point will turn them into stains given the slightest chance.

factor in the barrage of bad publicity and pressure from some quarters on biden to pretend he's different than trump (has the stupid jerusalem decision been reversed or even addressed?) and whatever "victories" they achieve will be pyrrhic at best. they will at some point go berserk and overreact because that's all they know despite their western reputation as a savvy and well trained force.

Posted by: the pair | May 14 2021 16:06 utc | 139

Zionists... War criminals hiding behind a fake religion. May they rot in hell

Posted by: ld | May 14 2021 16:06 utc | 140

Mr. Corvo:

Here is what I found in Wiki:

A passage from Dietrich of Nieheim's De schismate libri III is used as an epigraph at the beginning of the second chapter of Arthur Koestler's novel, Darkness at Noon:
When the existence of the Church is threatened, she is released from the commandments of morality. With unity as the end, the use of every means is sanctified, even deceit, treachery, violence, usury, prison, and death. Because order serves the good of the community, the individual must be sacrificed for the common good.

However, this is actually a paraphrase of Dietrich's position in the treatise De modis, as expressed by the German historian Ludwig von Pastor, in his book Geschichte der Päpste seit dem Ausgang des Mittelalters (History of the Popes from the Close of the Middle Ages), vol. 1, p. 149. De modis is credited in German editions of Darkness at Noon, but von Pastor is not. The paraphrase is about how Dietrich wanted the Holy Roman Emperor to call a General Council, the Pope to bow to the will of Emperor and Council, and for Emperor and Council to do whatever they felt necessary to end the antipope schism.

Here is the actual quote from De Modis, from the section 'De modis, loco trium malorum Pontificum, unum bonum eligendi, in Universalis Concilio Constantienst':

Therefore, pay attention, o faithful. For obeying such quarrelers, and supporting those dividing the Church, we see as sinning most gravely and mortally -- dividing, I say, the Body of Christ among their wickednesses and sins. For I believe you have been freed from these tyrannical lordships already, if your obedience were not cherished.

But if these two or three [popes and antipopes] will not concede voluntarily, it remains to proceed to stronger remedies. That is, overthrowing them and segregating them from the community of the Church, and, as I said before, taking away obedience from them.

Then, if the Church will not be able to accomplish it in this way, then by way of deceit, fraud, arms, violence, power, promises, gifts and money, and finally, prison and death, it is appropriate to procure in any way whatever the most holy union and conjoining of the Church.

Close to what was said by Tullius Cicero in De Officiis [III v 23]: 'This is what the laws look for, this is what they will: [the city] to be conjoined safely. So those who break the laws are punished by death, exile, chains, and fines.'

Not quite the point you were trying to establish.

And, as is usual, an atheistic Jew attacking the Catholic Church.

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 16:09 utc | 141

- The fact that Netanyahu has been indicted is for me a sign that his political power is/has been shrinking (for some time).
- It will be interesting to see what Biden c.s. will do. I assume that as long as Israel doens't launch an attack on Gaza, the US government will remain silent, will do nothing.

- I also see an attack on Gaza as a test case for the Biden administration. If Israel is really going to attack Gaza then it will be interesrting to see how the Biden will respond.

Posted by: Willy2 | May 14 2021 16:14 utc | 142

Christianity in general has become so perverted and bloated with precepts, dogmas, and ideologies that it is reminescent of Judaism, so much so that it is useful to think the New Testament came before the Old...but that is neither here nor there. Whatever happened to love? Then again we can all pretend.

By the way. Hello to all, I wish you all well.

Posted by: Justin | May 14 2021 16:18 utc | 143

Triden | May 14 2021 14:43 utc | 122

Infallibility? Alrighty, I didn't realize I was writing about the pope.

Must you lace your responses with insults? Is your ego really that fragile?

Posted by: EoinW | May 14 2021 16:21 utc | 144

The Palestinian people and their land cannot go on year after year and decade after decade to watch the blood of their elders, children and ancient Arab culture being drained drop by drop by the vampiric Zionists to be systematically wiped away from the sands of time. They need to commit as a nation down to every last man or woman to repel the tyranny. This should be their number one priority to fight the occupation like the French and Russian peoples did against Germany during WWII. The Jews suffered for 12 years under the Third Reich but the Palestinians have endured greater hell for over 70 years.

Nothing is more important in this time than to secure your freedom. It is insanity for Palestine to hope, to grovel to prostrate yourself by pursuing a lost cause through diplomatic channels to the international bodies, for your plight is ignored with words of placation. The time for talk is over, Palestine. If you want the respect of the world then you must show them you are willing to die for liberty, whether one thousand, ten thousand or one hundred thousand fighters strike a blow for independence.

It is the second decade of the 21st century and your future children want to know; "will we be born into slavery to serve at the whim of the Zionist oppressor?" Do not condemn your loving children to such a life, do not wrap them in swaddling clothes made of chains of servitude, do not deny them their God given birthright to be free. Save them from such a horror. Fight for them, for their essence, for their Arab blood.

No regional country is willing to directly help these people including the impotent United Nations. What will it take for the Palestinians to reach their tipping point and organize collectively to throw out the Zionist oppressors from their sovereign land? How much longer will they endure this egregious and inhuman suffering?

Words are like manna from heaven, snow flakes that fall to the earth, momentarily sit on the ground and then melt away. The Palestinian people need weapons to fight the wicked Empire of the Overlords, not prose, not palm reeds and not olive branches. Rocks and stones cannot defend against bullets, cannon fire and bombs that fall from the sky.

Give the subjugated thrall the means to stand up to the tyranny, give them the fire as mythical Prometheus gave it to mankind. Give them guns and a man who is not afraid to lead them to freedom and the restoration of their culture, economy and dignity.

Lastly, every year young men, women and children are sent to Israeli prisons for throwing rocks or worse, executed on the spot by IDF murderers with impunity. This must not be allowed to happen any longer.

Take a long look at this picture of a Palestinian child with a broken arm being strangled by a craven Israeli soldier:

https://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/israeli-soldier-assaulting/

This image is one of hundreds and hundreds of examples of Zionist thuggery. How does this not fill the hearts of every Palestinian with rage?

Free yourself oh mighty Palestine, for no future is bright without sacrifice!

Posted by: PokeTheTruth | May 14 2021 16:33 utc | 145

fyi | May 14 2021 16:09 utc | 142

All rather beside the point. Even if I'd made up the quote out of thin air, it represents actual Roman Catholic Church practice throughout most of its history, even into the recent past where Holy Mother Church was happily enmeshed in fascist governments. It holds true additionally for all religions that have tasted temporal power.

Your tortuous trivialization of any advocacy that any religion should, under any circumstances, make use of "deceit, fraud, arms, violence, power, promises, gifts and money, and finally, prison and death" notwithstanding, of course.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 16:38 utc | 146

Below is a quote from a ZH piece quoting Blinken

"
After blocking two statements at the UN Security Council on the ongoing Israeli violence against Palestinians, the US objected to a planned meeting on the Israeli bombing campaign in Gaza that was to be held publicly on Friday.

The US suggested that the meeting should be held next Tuesday, but after a compromise, the Security Council agreed to discuss the matter on Sunday. When asked about the delay, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said he hopes pushing the meeting back would "give some time for the diplomacy."
"

Some time for diplomacy is a wink, wink, nod, nod to giving Occupied Palestine time to try more genocide to "quiet" the region. If anything, I think the opposite is going to occur before Sunday.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2021 16:41 utc | 147

Justin | May 14 2021 16:18 utc | 144

The same Jesus who preached love also preached eternal damnation against those who wouldn't follow him and his dad -- whereas the one truly deserving of damnation should have been, of course, his bloodthirsty genocidalist racist dad. Which rather brings us back to I/P, of course.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 16:42 utc | 148

PokeTheTruth | May 14 2021 16:33 utc | 146

The Palestinian dilemma is even worse than you depict, because it's not just the State of Israel that quashes Palestinian aspirations and identity. Remember that most Palestinians are under the thumb of the utterly corrupt and Israel-complicity Palestinian Authority, which is little more than Israel's enforcement agent in the West Bank and which suppresses all challenges to its authority.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 16:47 utc | 149

Has Hamas shot its wad, and the promise of unveiling more advanced weaponry after all the old stuff was gone, but the sabre's death rattle? Has Hamas been routed by superior Israeli intelligence? Israel continues to 'pound' (by all media accounts) Gaza with aircraft and artillery, and one waits for a counter-punch. Is this like one of those Rocky movies when the hero is nearly out for the count then miraculously makes a comeback?

Will Hizbollah wear the pussyhats and march around Beruit in 'support' of Palestine? Will Iran exhort Palestine that Israel only knows violence, and to fight to the last Palestinian, while the Imams play gin-rummy over tequila shots.

Who exactly is on the ropes here?

Posted by: gottlieb | May 14 2021 16:54 utc | 150

gottlieb | May 14 2021 16:54 utc | 151

Excellent question. I'm not sure Hamas's rocket barrage was a good idea (although I certainly sympathize). It did teach Israel one lesson, namely, that it can't rely on its Iron Dome in the face of increasingly sophisticated Hamas rocketry -- or for that matter rocketry of any quality as long as it is delivered in quantity. But Israel isn't good at learning lessons; Herrenvölker so rarely are.

I'm also disappointed with the nonreaction of Hizbollah and Iran, but this too is understandable. Either would result in a devastating Israeli nuclear strike on Iran. Which would leave the Arab states (sans Syria and maybe Tunisia), as well as the American toadies in Europe, tut-tutting with a few not-so-Strongly Worded Statements against Israel (if not supporting it outright) while continuing to do business with it.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 17:07 utc | 151

Posted by: EoinW | May 14 2021 14:33 utc | 119

I think this is a situation that is not dissimilar from China People's Volunteer during Korean War. Yes, we China as a sovereign state might not goes to war officially against the invader but we will not stop any volunteer who wish to help to do so (whilst of course arming them and provides strategic help). So while the rockets were not fired by Hezbollah themselves, it is indeed fired under their tacit permission. The fact that Hezbollah higher ups done nothing to stop whoever fired those rockets, it gives signal to Israel that while there would be eager volunteers that would help the Palestinians.

Posted by: Hangar | May 14 2021 18:04 utc | 152

Egypt, Jordan, Syria are already in this fight. IDF and Jordanian Army exchanging gunfire right now. If you’ve no idea what I am talking about please start looking at news, not blather, not the usual suspects.

I almost never agree with anything vk posts, he gets it right just often enough I will keep reading, sometimes. Near the top of this thread he mentioned that Hezbullah won the 2006 battle with Israel. Yes, they did. Decisively. No one here seems to know that. Most who do know it, anywhere, politely keep quiet. That victory is constantly present for anyone in the theater. Hezbullah is far better positioned now than 2006. Many things are possible going forward.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 14 2021 18:20 utc | 153

Grieved @57

Where the Zionist-brought invaders will go? The overwhelming majority have a valid claim to citizenship in one (or several) of their respective homelands -- if they are not already holders of multiple passports. For all hypothetical others, the US has already guaranteed reception.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | May 14 2021 18:33 utc | 154

I don't understand why so many people expect either Hezbullah or the Russian Federation to intervene in Palestine.

I don't recollect many instances of the predominantly Sunni Palestinians supporting Hezbullah or Iran in any way (even verbally) despite the many expressions of support that they have received from the aforementioned. Hezbullah are few in number and while they are formidable on their own terrain with their carefully prepared positions, they would be fools to take on the IDF in the open. They have also made a point of being scrupulously honest and if they wanted missiles to be fired from Lebanon towards Israel they are perfectly capable of doing it themselves.

As for the Russians, they have quite enough on their plates as it is. The Russians are clearly playing for time and hoping that they are not forced to go nuclear. Given they have only 1/3 of the population of the European NATO countries and they spend less on the military than either the UK, France or Germany, it is surprising that they have achieved what they have. Giving the US, the UK or any of the rest of the US lackeys another chance to trumpet about 'Russian aggression' would be uncharacteristically stupid.

In the vast majority of cases, the advice of armchair military strategists worldwide would have us all breathing radioactive ash by now.

Posted by: MarkU | May 14 2021 18:38 utc | 155

Hangar | May 14 2021 18:04 utc | 153

That's a good analogy. Like Russian volunteers going to the DonBass to fight against Ukrainian Nazis.

Posted by: EoinW | May 14 2021 18:51 utc | 156

corvo | May 14 2021 17:07 utc | 152

At times we are all guilty of projecting western values on the rest of the world. There's no other way to explain this treatment of nuclear weapons as an omnipotent arsenal that automatically wins any war, therefore one cannot confront a nuclear power.

Given the endless wars, beginning with the attack on Yugoslavia, and the hypocrisy of westerners in the way they condone all such wars through their indifference, we've always known westerners are moral cowards. But as the past 15 months of covid have shown, the majority of westerners are just plain cowards...period! Thus it's easy to understand why they are so easily intimidated by the idea of nuclear weapons. They're afraid of everything!

The nuclear option, if ever used by Israel or the USA will be the ultimate act of desperation, used by a military that has already been beaten. Like the player knocking over the chess board when he's facing check mate. The damage it would do to Israel/USA would be far greater than the material damage done to Iran. Actually it would be the end of both countries.

Posted by: EoinW | May 14 2021 19:01 utc | 157

oldhippie | May 14 2021 18:20 utc | 154

I assumed everyone here knew Hizbullah won the 2006 war. This isn't a CBC comment section used by a bunch of useless tits. Not sure I'd call it a decisive victory. A psychological victory and turning point for sure. You're correct, time has been on Hizbullah's side. It has only gotten stronger. Even been forced to learn how to fight an offensive war, due to the Syrian civil war.

Posted by: EoinW | May 14 2021 19:06 utc | 158

I don't understand why so many people expect either Hezbullah or the Russian Federation to intervene in Palestine.

Posted by: MarkU | May 14 2021 18:38 utc | 156

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There's a lot of not-very-attentive wishful-thinking "armchair military strategists" commenting here.

"They have also made a point of being scrupulously honest and if they wanted missiles to be fired from Lebanon towards Israel they are perfectly capable of doing it themselves."

The not-very-attentive wishful-thinking "armchair military strategists" (See 153&157 for example) seem to think Hizbullah's sucess in defending their south Lebanese strongholds makes them invincible in every arena.

Thankfully for Hizbullah, they themselves know their own strenghts and limitations, and know not to go involving themselves in the battles of others.

Allying with the corrupt and heavily-infiltrated Palestinian leadership would be disastrous for them, and thankfully they seem well aware of the dangers of doing so.

And even more thankfully they ignore the clueless ramblings of the not-very-attentive wishful-thinking "armchair military strategists" one encounters so often here amongst the MOA commentariat

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 19:08 utc | 159

the zionist concept has been supported from the early 20th century by the imperial powers uk and then usa... the reason israel exists and continues to exist is due the support from these dominant world powers at the time... and of course, it continues...

the reason some hope russia or china will step up and offer an alternative to this madness is in the belief that russia or china would do something different here... i would say that is a stretch, especially given that the uk-usa have been largely responsible for perpetuating this zionist dream into the present... if at such time china and russia become the dominant world players - a big if looking from 2021, then i can see the support draining from the zionist dream.. until then, it seems like the usa-uk will continue to support their mistakes from the past in ongoing support of zionism... that is what it looks like to me..

Posted by: james | May 14 2021 19:24 utc | 160

Mr. corvo

In my opinion, human societies cannot maintain social stability without the constant need to exercise violence.

What are your recommendations?

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 19:37 utc | 161

TO: corvo | May 14 2021 17:07 utc | 152

I believe that Israel has double-agents at fairly high levels in Hamas. You can find mainstream articles in WAPO and Haaretz detailing how Israel "unintentionally" helped give rise to Hamas, and they don't want to destroy Hamas utterly because of the "power vacuum" it would leave. To me all this suggests is that Israel knows that Hamas is the necessary foil it must use as justification for its genocidal actions. If Hamas did not exist, Israel would have no cover for their actions at all.

Posted by: WJ | May 14 2021 20:08 utc | 162

The Taliban will take over.
Yes, an entirely an american engineered outcome.
A regime equivalent to saudi arabia's, but without all that oil.
The usual complaints about the ancient ruthless tribal behaviour will arise.
Why not to partition the country and give a slach to the tribes who had fought them first?

Posted by: augusto | May 14 2021 20:18 utc | 163

Simply.One wonders if now it is all or nothing for Palestine and Hamas now.

Posted by: Jo | May 14 2021 20:29 utc | 164

I would think this would be an opportunity for Turkey to exert some influence.
The area needs leadership. Erdogan my make something of himself, yet.

Posted by: jared | May 14 2021 20:41 utc | 165


In my opinion, human societies cannot maintain social stability without the constant need to exercise violence.

What are your recommendations?

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 19:37 utc | 162

Recommendation: "اقرأ", et aussi
"Éloge de la fuite" de Henri Laborit

Posted by: Bernard F. | May 14 2021 21:03 utc | 166

@ Prof | May 14 2021 15:28 utc | 133

Very well summarize. The Electronic Intifada piece is a great inside though.

Posted by: Bernard F. | May 14 2021 21:08 utc | 167

IDF has targeted buildings that hold functions of Hamad...as well as Hamas commanders( must be inside info )....surely Hamas would know these are targets...is it badly affected by these IDF attacks or have arrangements been made to provide substitutes and other arrangements... resources etc. Or is that it is why it is suggested IDF said were going in to Gaza just to get Hamas in the underground tunnels to particularly target and bomb these tunnels or perhaps act as bunkers for the populace.....so true numbers of dead are buried literally.....and bereaved families are psychologically affected because cannot have funefals with deceased "present"?

Posted by: Jo | May 14 2021 21:14 utc | 168

....funerals....

Posted by: Jo | May 14 2021 21:15 utc | 169

Demo at the Lebanon-Israel border. There are videos. Looks like normal civilians out for a picnic. Couple of Palestinian flags in evidence, it is a show of solidarity with their neighbors. Haven’t seen vids of the shooting. Israelis (settlers? police? IDF?) opened fire and one dead, one badly injured. The dead, the martyr, is said to be a Hezbollah reservist. So Hezbollah has a martyr. It will not take much for Hezbollah to fully enter the fight.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 14 2021 22:12 utc | 170

The dead, the martyr, is said to be a Hezbollah reservist. So Hezbollah has a martyr. It will not take much for Hezbollah to fully enter the fight.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 14 2021 22:12 utc | 171

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You guys should really drop this "Hizbullah are a bunch of easily taunted, trigger-happy hothead Fools" bullshit.

Especially when they've repeatedly proven that they're anything but, countless times in the past.

You're just going to look like a bunch of absolutely clueless idiotic Armchair buffoons when Hizbollah don't fall for the bait.

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 22:21 utc | 171

EoinW | May 14 2021 19:01 utc | 158

You seem to be providing arguments explaining why Israel would want to execute a nuclear strike against Iran.

After all, Israel is nothing if not saturated with the Western mindset you decry.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 23:00 utc | 172

fyi | May 14 2021 19:37 utc | 162

I have none. What good would it be for me to have any anyway? It's not as if I could tell the Western Deep State what to do.

All I can do is decry what is being done in my name.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 23:02 utc | 173

In a related display of blatant totalitarianism, the French government has banned pro-Palestine protests and has harassed an activist pro-Palestine leader.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/france-bans-rally-arrests-palestine-solidarity-leader

I guess this outrage is not 'newsworthy' enough for the MSM. Censorship by omission.

So much for France claiming itself a 'democracy.'

Free speech is INDIVISIBLE, you either have it or not. There is no in between.

Posted by: Paul | May 14 2021 23:03 utc | 174

WJ | May 14 2021 20:08 utc | 163

Yes, yes, but it's worse than that. Even if Israel didn't have ops in Hamas, even if Hamas weren't a willing patsy for Israel, let's not forget that thanks to Western control of communication channels Israel always knows exactly what Hamas is planning. This is also why any coordination between Hamas and, say, Hizbullah would be futile: Five Eyes would capture every word and relay it to Occupied al-Quds. Never forget that.

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 23:05 utc | 175

WJ | May 14 2021 20:08 utc | 163

addenda:

1. Israel didn't unintentionally contribute to the rise of Hamas; it bankrolled Hamas in its early days in order to undermine Yassir Arafat's authority. This doesn't necessarily mean that Hamas is playing the Washington Senators to Israel's Harlem Globetrotters today . . . although one can't entirely preclude that possibility. I regard it as unlikely because Israel does kill off a few too many Hamas higher-ups for it to be a game.

2. I have no doubt that there are double agents in Hamas. Imagine you're desperately poor in Gaza and someone representing Mossad offers you lots of money. Money that could feed your family. Money the refusal of which Mossad will regard as an invitation to obliterate your family. What would you do?

I seem to have quieted "james" for a while. A first around these parts? Maybe I'll be banned again for it?

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 23:13 utc | 176

Mr. EoinW

That would be their last act as a state.

Posted by: fyi | May 14 2021 23:22 utc | 177

Trident is more buffoonish than a devotee of tongue fu. He's the same person as James and a few other butthead identities.

Posted by: Bruce Lee Marvin Gay | May 14 2021 23:32 utc | 178

fyi | May 14 2021 23:22 utc | 178

That [an Israeli nuclear attack on Iran] would be their last act as a state.

I'm curious as to why you think so. The USA and its European satrapies certainly wouldn't object; they'd in fact be pleased. Russia and China would look the other way. There would be fury in certain Sunni Arab countries that would be violently put down by their US-armed and US-obedient governments (cf. Egypt, Jordan). Erdo would engage in some momentary puffery and go back to plundering Syria. And the IDF, cowardly as its soldiers might be, would simply bomb and shoot anything moving.

Indeed, I often wonder why Israel hasn't done it already. Afraid that the winds might change and bring the fallout in their direction, perhaps?

Posted by: corvo | May 14 2021 23:36 utc | 179

Oldhippie at #154:

Any links for news of Jordan and the Orcs shooting at each other? I looked, but couldn't find anything.

Antoinetta III

Posted by: Antoinetta III | May 14 2021 23:40 utc | 180

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 14:29 utc | 117


Obviously your mind has been corrupted from years and years of desperatly trying to wring some truth, however meagre, from the infamously dishonest and dissembelling offical statements of FUKUS Imperialists and Talmudic Zionazis.

Can you provide the data points and consistent logical reasoning that led to your irrational and rather emotional outburst?

Or are you just venting?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 23:42 utc | 181

Posted by: Bruce Lee Marvin Gay | May 14 2021 23:32 utc | 179

When the dust settles you "armchair military strategists" will be exposed as the clueless buffoons I've already identified you as.

I'm happy to wait til then and have a good laugh at you all once again.

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 23:45 utc | 182

Any links for news of Jordan and the Orcs shooting at each other? I looked, but couldn't find anything.

Antoinetta III

Posted by: Antoinetta III | May 14 2021 23:40 utc | 181


Me too. Perhaps ol Hippie's been hitting the ganj a little too hard lately

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 23:48 utc | 183

Posted by: Triden | May 14 2021 23:45 utc | 183


When the dust settles you "armchair military strategists" will be exposed as the clueless buffoons I've already identified you as.

I'm happy to wait til then and have a good laugh at you all once again.

You're coming across as the Armchair Military Strategist In Chief here.

Here's a tip:

Everyone here is laughing at your amateurish reasoning, poor social skills and lack of anything of actual analytical value to contribute to the issue under discussion.

Get your emotions under control, you're coming across as unhinged.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 23:51 utc | 184

Mr. Corvo

Because that would an attack on the foundations of the post 1948 international system.

The world after a nuclear strike on Iran will be the world of a massive effort at nuclear weaponization by every state that can do so.

That is one thing.

The other thing is that whom will Israel attack next? Egypt? Turkey? Italy?

That is the second thing.

After an Israeli attack on Iran, there will be, in my opinion and in the womb of time, nuclear attacks on Israel and her backers, chief among them the United States.

That is the third thing.

Are there moth-balled nuclear facilities in Iran, kept as backups? Very likely. How long before Iranian annihilate Tel Aviv?

That is the fourth thing.

If Israelis be smart, they would surrender today to Iran; may be Mr. Khamenei would let them stay in an area roughly corresponding to the late Herod's Kingdom.

Posted by: Fyi | May 14 2021 23:54 utc | 185

Can you provide the data points and consistent logical reasoning that led to your irrational and rather emotional outburst?

Or are you just venting?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 23:42 utc | 182


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It's right there on this page.

You simply cannot concieve that Hizbullah were being 100% honest in denying responsibilty.

It's clear your way of thinking cannot process that Hezbollah were not engaged in some sly legalistic dissembling when they issued that denial. That includes not even "allowing" it to happen.

You continued to claim, without any evidence whatsoever, that Hezbollah simply MUST have "allowed" it to happen, long after it was pointed out to you that their denial of responsibility was, going on their past performance, likely to be 100% truthful.

So you invented a fiction, that no missile launch could be possible in south Lebanon without Hezbollahs knowledge, even after it was demonstrated that such a launch could easily have occurred without their approval or knowledge.

All the data points and reasoning are already on this page.

All you need to do is read, but more importantly, understand it when you do read it.


Posted by: Triden | May 15 2021 0:00 utc | 186

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 14 2021 23:51 utc | 185

Given who claims to be doing the laughing I think I'll survive the onslaught quite well. Thanks for your concern though. I know you meant well 😂

Posted by: Triden | May 15 2021 0:04 utc | 187

Fyi | May 14 2021 23:54 utc | 186

I appreciate your, umm, optimism but find it entirely unrealistic.

Say Israel nukes Iran. Who would respond, and how?

American MENA satrapies would mow down their own populations if they protested. A few satrapies might fall -- temporarily.

Whom would Israel attack next? Any state it wanted to. Not for nothing can Israel's nukes reach European targets.

Nuclear attacks on Israel? Who would dare? Who even has the nukes? And would such attacks not obliterate the populations that attacking Israel was supposed to liberate?

As for Iran annihilating Tel Aviv, this might be possible -- but only if Iran struck first, and doing so would assure Iran's destruction.

Face it, right now Israel holds most if not all the cards. Maybe someday once the Western financial system collapses, things will be different. But all I see right now are outraged throngs whom Israeli soldiers would be only too happy to mow down (assuming the US proxy governments in places like Jordan don't do so first), and Hizbullah missiles that could do real damage to Israel but only at the cost of the obliteration of Lebanon.

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 0:07 utc | 188

Mr. Corvo

Israelis posess fewer than 10 kilotan range weapons.

Their first attack would be their last.

Judeo-Christians in the United States would rejoice at the annihilation of Israel, the Second Coming would be that much more expedited.

Additionally, I think you in America will then be like Germany is today, spending decades to get back to human race.

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 0:13 utc | 189

Fyi | May 14 2021 23:54 utc | 186

Their first nuclear attack might be their last, especially if their nuclear arsenal were as meager as you assert -- which is by no means certain.

But then the question is: What happens after the nuclear attack?

One more time: The outraged peoples of Egypt, Jordan, etc. would be suppressed by their own US-owned governments and armies. Western Europe would affect distress but not so privately rejoice, ditto Turkey, which pretends to care but is actually Israel's BFF in the region. Iran would be obliterated at the first opportunity, which would make Western Europe and Turkey, to say nothing of the USA's Arab client states, REALLY happy. Russia and China would look the other way.

So the first nuclear attack would be the last because no other would be necessary.

I think the USA already has far to go before "get[ting] back to human race"; so what's your point?

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 0:30 utc | 190

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 0:07 utc | 189


Say Israel nukes Iran. Who would respond, and how?

The Iranians themselves will respond with hundreds of thousands of very modern, very precise missiles released from underground missile cities in the mountains.

Two things the israelis need to think about:

a) Will the global jewish community be able to tolerate the universal backlash resulting from an attack on the world by zionists in their name? I say "the world" because a nuclear attack on Iran will have global repercussions in terms of fallout and long term effects ... if the attack is to be effective.

b) Will the attack itself be effective? The landscape of Iran acts to minimise arge nuclear strikes. Iran's missile power is highly distributed and hardened. How many nukes will israel need to neutralise the entire territory? How much global nuclear fallout will it result in?

A nuclear strike on Iran will need to be massive to be effective.
Tactical nukes will be useless, just inviting massive retaliation.
Yet, a massive nuclear strike will impact the entire Central Asia, Middle East, Caspian Region.
It will certainly shut down oil flow from the Persian Gulf even before the Iranians retaliate.

So it is a solution that cannot be used, except as a last gasp before extinction.

The israelis need to ask if they want a global Krystallnacht on a scale many thousands of times larger than they saw in Hitler's Germany.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 15 2021 0:45 utc | 191

Arch Bungle | May 15 2021 0:45 utc | 192

You make some decent points; however,

(1) Let's not assume Israel is all that interested in the global Jewish community. The official position is that they all belong in Israel anyway (except, I assume, for a sufficient number of what we'd now call "influencers" stationed abroad). Wouldn't be the first time Zion has sacrificed some of its own for The Cause anyway.

(2) Of course a strike against Iran would be immensely hurtful for Israel too. That much said, a couple of words of caution are in order:

(a) Are the Israelis sane enough to realize this? Perhaps, but with each passing year I'm less certain of it. Official Israel is increasingly drunk on its own delusions of power and righteousness. As I've alluded to before, this is an essential feature of Herrenvolk mentality.

(b) Never forget the Samson Option. Let's assume the Strait of Hormuz is shut down in the wake of an Israeli attack on Iran. Assuming Israel has any nukes left, it can always threaten to obliterate a few European capitals if its needs aren't supplied post haste. I realize that sounds absurd and insane, but isn't the Samson Option itself absurd and insane?

Never forget (that phrase again!) that Israel will be only too happy to take the rest of the world down with it if it feels its existence threatened.

That, dear friends, is the enormity of the situation.

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 1:01 utc | 192

Palestine has the right to defend itself:

https://platosguns.com/2021/05/13/palestine-has-the-right-to-defend-itself/

Posted by: Paul | May 15 2021 1:05 utc | 193

Posted by: Triden | May 15 2021 0:00 utc | 187


It's right there on this page.

No it's not. Stop writing fiction.


You simply cannot concieve that Hizbullah were being 100% honest in denying responsibilty.
It's clear your way of thinking cannot process that Hezbollah were not engaged in some sly legalistic dissembling when they issued that denial. That includes not even "allowing" it to happen.

You simply cannot conceive that Hizbullah is capable of tactical deception as the best guerrilla movements are.

For you the inviolability of Hizbullah's "Truthfulness" (a childish notion of honesty you seem to have retained from kindergarten days) is a religious principle you've hung your entire belief system on.

Anything that questions this foundational principle of your fragile psychology sends you into convulsions, it seems.


You continued to claim, without any evidence whatsoever, that Hezbollah simply MUST have "allowed" it to happen,

This was never an absolute claim. It was clearly stated that this was a likelyhood, not absolute truth.
The evidence supporting the likelyhood of this hypothesis being true was stated in it's initial presentation.

Take a class in English Reading Comprehension (come on man, this is basic primary school stuff!).


long after it was pointed out to you that their denial of responsibility was, going on their past performance, likely to be 100% truthful.

What was pointed out was a religious expression of your faith in Hezbollah's truthfulness.
As well as your inability to grasp a basic principle of guerrilla warfare.


So you invented a fiction, that no missile launch could be possible in south Lebanon without Hezbollahs knowledge, even after it was demonstrated that such a launch could easily have occurred without their approval or knowledge.

Again, no fiction was invented. A reasoned hypothesis was put forward.
Your psychology, in it's distorted proto-religious fervour, leapt to the conclusion that it was stated as absolute truth.


All the data points and reasoning are already on this page. All you need to do is read, but more importantly, understand it when you do read it.

There no valid "data" put forward by you.

What you put forward is pure supposition.

As well as an irrational religious belief in the absolute truthfulness of Hezbollah, which is a weird religious belief based on childlike faith and protected by a hard shell of willful ignorance.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 15 2021 1:10 utc | 194

Anything that questions this foundational principle of your fragile psychology sends you into convulsions, it seems.

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Convulsions of laughter so far.

I wouldn't do that if people like you didn't write such obviously clueless nonsense.

I can concive that HezBullah is capable of deception, but they don't need to decieve.

They're quite secure in their little stronghold in south lebanon. They've proven that more than once.

They're also not stupid enough to engage the Zionazis on any turf other than south Lebanon, they've proven that too, many times.

The rest of your rant is just nonsensical bullshit, thrown out to try and coverup your cluelessness

Posted by: Triden | May 15 2021 1:17 utc | 195

Additionally they have time and time again proven the truth of my earlier statement that they only ever react in a very measured intelligent defensive manner regarding Zionazi agression.

They do not initiate conflict.

They do not seek it out. But what they do magnificently is defend against Zionazi aggression in south Lebanon.


And they're not stupid enough to change that winning formula just to keep fools like you happy.


All your reams of pure bullshit won't change that fact.

Posted by: Triden | May 15 2021 1:23 utc | 196

Posted by: corvo | May 15 2021 1:01 utc | 193

What you're proposing is a "madman" scenario i.e that there are madmen among the israelis who are capable of being completely self destructive and suicidal *and* who are in charge of the means to do so.

Yes, within the realm of all things possible in this Universe, that too is a possibility.

But we can only speak of likelyhoods here and this is what we know:

- 'israel' exists because the jews *want* very desperately to live ... it was not born from the type of mentality that accepts suicide as a valid option.

- the jews (including fanatical zionists) have the pick of options all over the world to flee to (the whole dual citizenship thing and so forth), there is no existential component to this at a fundamental level.

- the very fact that the zionist state takes disproportionate measures to ensure their survival points to a psychology that is averse to suicide. Unlike arab muslims, there is little or no known evidence of israelis embracing suicide in order to achieve victory - it is not a component of their cultural makeup.

You just need to look at videos of israelis running to the bomb shelters to understand that this is not a culture that will embrace the Samson Option.

- There is fracture in the israeli circles who control the "nuclear red button": As Mordechai Vanunu demonstrated, there is no guarantee that all israelis will be of one mind when the time comes to make that decision. It is almost certain that the only people with true power over the nuclear red button (technical people who sit between the switch and the bomb) will be those of rational mind ... there will be a long chain of thought between the madman and the spark that launches the nuke.

So the information we have points away from the likelihood they will prepared to commit global suicide when so many other options are available.

To use a crude analogy: A rat will always flee into an available hole before it ever decides to turn on it's attacker. Rats like Netanyahoo, Olmert, Gantz are very aware of their own skin and what must be done to save it - they will never choose suicide over a luxurious villa in Europe (or a Russian Jewish Oblast).


That, dear friends, is the enormity of the situation.


Well, it's a possibility. I suppose we can only break out the popcorn and watch the show for now ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 15 2021 1:34 utc | 197

Posted by: Triden | May 15 2021 1:23 utc | 197


Additionally they have time and time again proven the truth of my earlier statement that they only ever react in a very measured intelligent defensive manner regarding Zionazi agression.

They do not initiate conflict.

They have indeed sought it out. All your reams of pure bullshit won't change this fact:


In the 2000 Hezbollah cross-border raid Hezbollah militants captured three IDF soldiers while they were patrolling the security fence along the border with Lebanon, and took them across the border. It is not clear when or under which circumstances the three soldiers died. Their bodies were returned to Israel in a prisoner exchange on 29 January 2004.

The abduction was the first incident between Israel and Lebanon after the Israeli withdrawal from South Lebanon in May 2000, and it was followed by several other attempts of the Hezbollah to abduct Israeli soldiers, until eventually on July 12, 2006, Hezbollah managed to abduct Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev in another cross-border raid, an event that led to the eruption of the Second Lebanon War.

And just like that, your entire glass house of nonsense shatters before your very eyes.

Game over. Thanks for playing.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 15 2021 1:41 utc | 198

Mr. corvo

I guess we need to wait and see.

I would pay attention, however, to one fact.

Hezbollah will annihilate Israel, if not Iran. They have that power.

As for Iran, what level of thermobaric weapons development have the Iranians achieved? Iran does not need to field nuclear weapons if she has thermobaric weapons of a certain range.

Posted by: Fyi | May 15 2021 1:53 utc | 199

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 15 2021 1:41 utc | 199

Source wikipedia. Hahahaha

When you didn't dare link the source it just had to be dodgy and unreliable

Lol

Well done

Posted by: Triden | May 15 2021 1:58 utc | 200

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