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The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-031

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

> The fundamental misperception appears to be the assumption that Russia aims to find its way back into the US-led order; rather, Russia is pursuing an organized decoupling from the US-led order. Furthermore, the willingness to reach a political settlement is absent. The US and Russia view each other as increasingly less relevant actors and no longer the main focus of their respective foreign policies.
Until a new format for cooperation is established that restores sovereign equality, any summit between the two world leaders will likely fall victim to political theatrics and harmful posturing. Moscow should politely reject the offer and instead rely on less public formats to negotiate pragmatic and mutually beneficial arrangements. <
Brahma Chellaney @Chellaney - 5:55 UTC · Apr 24, 2021
Thanks to COVID-19, many nations learned hard lessons about China-reliant supply chains. And the Quad agreed to build resilient supply chains. But now, thanks to Biden's hoarding of vaccines and raw materials, many nations are learning hard lessons about US-reliant supply chains.

Other issues:


> Separately, a senior former Afghan security official deeply familiar with the country's counterterrorism program said two of six units trained and run by the CIA to track militants have already been transferred to Afghan control.
The CTPT teams are feared by many Afghans and have been implicated in extra-judicial killings of civilians. In 2019, the head of the Afghan intelligence service, Masoom Stanikzai, was forced to resign after one of these units was implicated in the summary execution of four brothers.

Earlier this year, in Afghanistan's eastern Khost province, one of the teams was accused of gunning down civilians in a counterterrorism operation. The United Nations has also criticized the tactics of these units, previously blaming them for a rise in civilian casualties along with insurgent groups. <



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Posted by: librul | Apr 25 2021 12:28 utc | 1

Until a new format for cooperation is established that restores sovereign equality, any summit between the two world leaders will likely fall victim to political theatrics and harmful posturing.

We've already been seeing posturing and theatrics (along with not-so-veiled threats):

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MSNBC edits out the 'Biden's projection' part of Putin's response.

Putin's "I wish him health" is made to seem like a threat instead of a concern for the mental health of fellow world leader.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 25 2021 12:54 utc | 2

Related #SmallDickEnergy hashtag, we konw today that the EU have asked Lithuania to rise it retirement age to 72 years!!!!, but it happens Lithuania has a life expectancy of 71.5!
This is what comes for living on EU subsides...

But if that is not enough, there is another problem no less important. According to the former Minister of Health and current WHO representative for Europe, Vytenis Andriukaitis, the population of Lithuania suffers from a very poor state of health.

"Even before reaching retirement age, many people in Lithuania are unable to work due to the high prevalence of chronic non-infectious diseases," Andriukaitis said. In Lithuania "the rates of cardiovascular, lung, muscle and bone diseases are enormous." What in socialism is not a problem, in capitalism there is no remedy because the sick are a "burden".

Posted by: Lelush | Apr 25 2021 12:59 utc | 3

I will allow myself to quote from b’s link:

Czech counterintelligence finds no proof of Russians’ presence in Vrbetice - president (TASS, April 25, 2021)

PRAGUE, April 25. /TASS/. The evidence that some "Russian agents" were present at the ammo depot in the village of Vrbetice was not mentioned in the reports of the Czech Republic’s Security Information Service, Czech President Milos Zeman said in his emergency televised address in connection with the 2014 incident on Sunday.

"I can state that the report of the Security Information Service says and I underline this - that there is neither proof nor evidence [of eyewitnesses] that these two agents [the Russians who were accused of involvement in the incident - TASS] were at the [ammo depot] in Vrbetice. When the premises of the second depot were examined right before the explosion there, no explosive device was found there," Zeman said in his address broadcast by Prima and CNN Prima News TV channels.

The president stressed that the suspicion about the alleged role of two foreign agents in the 2014 ammo depot explosions in Vrbetice came to the surface over the past weeks. "The Security Information Service had never before mentioned the incident in Vrbetice over the past six years," he noted.

In the Russian-language version of the same story Zeman also talks about the possibility that the explosives were not properly handled:

Zeman: counterintelligence has no evidence of the involvement of "agents of the Russian Federation" in the explosions in Vrbetica (TASS, April 25, 2021 — machine translated from Russian)

Zeman also said that careless handling of ammunition is being considered as the cause of the explosions and the possible involvement of foreign intelligence services is being considered. "We are working with two versions - that the explosions [in Vrbetica] occurred as a result of careless handling of ammunition, and the second version - that agents of foreign special services are to blame for this," Zeman said.

Zeman also provided an indirect hint as to who might have coordinated the scandal on the Czech side and on whose orders:

Czech President questioned the effectiveness of the CIA (TASS, April 25, 2021 — machine translated from Russian, emphasis mine)

PRAGUE, April 25. / TASS /. Czech President Milos Zeman questioned the effectiveness of the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in connection with incorrect information, on the basis of which the United States made an erroneous decision on a military operation against Iraq.

"The CIA is the intelligence agency that informed the US government that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And this [CIA allegation] was not only not confirmed, but was [completely] refuted," Zeman said Sunday in an interview with Prima and CNN. Prima NEWS . - The consequences [of this step by the CIA] were terrible - thousands of lives, enormous material damage, and so on. Is this how a high-quality intelligence service works? "

The head of state made such a statement, answering the question whether he intends to confer the rank of general on the head of the Security and Information Service - counterintelligence of the Czech Republic - Michal Koudelka, who was recently awarded the CIA medal in the United States. Zeman said that he would consider the possibility of his promotion next year and only if the version of the Czech special services about the involvement of foreign agents in the explosions at the ammunition depot in the village of Vrbetice in 2014 is confirmed.

Earlier Zakharova noted that the local authorities didn’t even know who operated the ammo depot:

Zakharova commented on the investigation of the explosions in Vrbetica (RT, April 20, 2021 — machine translated from Russian)

“Seven years have passed. Did the trial take place? There was no court. Two people died ... Here is the answer to your question, including - who is the beneficiary of all this marasmic parade. There was an investigation, there was an investigation - nothing came of it, " RIA Novosti quotes Zakharova.

She said that "the local authorities did not know that since 2006 the ammunition depot has not been used by the army, and the Ministry of Defense is renting out the warehouse premises to private arms companies."

Zakharova added that "the huge amount of weapons that were in the warehouses for eight years were without any control from the authorities."

Posted by: S | Apr 25 2021 13:05 utc | 4

Regarding the virus and vaccine -
- On z/h was a posting claiming that in US, there is poor correlation between states enforcing stricter measures and states having better outcomes. Difficult to assess because they play very loose with the died of covid assessment. I suspect this is valid as I dont see the pandaphiles pointing finger at florida texas with any effect.
- It has been noted that the promoters of the pandemic seem to have very low confidence in performance of the vacine as they propose to continue strict control measures.
- Institutions are requiring vacination and signing of release - requiring people to accept medical treatment with a vacine which is not approved by FDA. Frightening on many levels.

Very troubling.

Posted by: jared | Apr 25 2021 14:17 utc | 5

Must see video

Gauleiter: Swedish Filmmaker Exposes Biden Corruption In Eastern Europe And Ukraine

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 25 2021 14:19 utc | 6

These days evidence no longer has to be presented for a claim because the accusation is a loyalty test for the Amerikastani Empire and vassal citizens. The more outlandish the claim the more they have to rush to prove their loyalty so outlandish evidence free claims are far from as insane as they seem to be. They have a very definite purpose.

I do not want to talk about Covid though I'm Indian and my former teacher died today of it. I am convinced that discussions about it inevitably work to split the anti Imperialist resistance.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 25 2021 14:20 utc | 7

@Norwegian | Apr 25 2021 14:19 utc | 9

Btw, I think the filmmaker is Finnish, not Swedish. This is judging from his dialect and the video contents.

@jared and @Lelush : Thank you

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 25 2021 14:34 utc | 8

Regarding the three articles posted on covid and thrombosis.

The first article, the NEJM article, reports six younger patients died of thrombosis, presumably cerebral venous thrombosis. Although the article is so poorly written it is hard to even know. Patients were in “Germany and Austria” but past that all we have is lab test reports. Not even clear if the authors ever saw the patients. Cerebral venous thrombosis is extremely rare in younger patients. The article does make the Astra Zeneca jab the cause of death, obscuring that by referring to it as ChAdOx1 -Covid-19

Second article is basically “nothing to see here” plus “Look!—- A squirrel!!!” And would be entirely dismissed but for the third article, from Gamaleya Center which basically says “You filthy swine! You inject your citizens with raw sewage and then act surprised you have problems.”

The son-in-law has had a series of cardiac problems. Following his vaccination. Doctors tell him the vaccination is entirely safe, absolutely no reported cardiac or circulatory problems reported anywhere. And any who say otherwise are conspiracy theorists he should quit listening to. Making NEJM conspiracy theorists. Science now means refusing to know anything but the narrative. There is just no way we shall know how bad a problem the vaccine is. My supposition that the son-in-law’s problems are connected to vaccine could be pure ex post facto rubbish. We shall never know because we refuse to look.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 25 2021 14:40 utc | 9

@ Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 25 2021 14:20 utc | 10

"I am convinced that discussions about it inevitably work to split the anti Imperialist resistance."

That is an interesting take - world view.

My view is that:
The world is essentially run by and for and as it pleases wealthy and influential persons and organizations. They can do this because they have money and power and are thereby able to control access to money and power. These persons and organizations are the owners and the effect of their influence where it is somewhat constructive is neoliberalism and where it is less constructive is destabilization (surely there is a better term).
Beneath them are the operatives which serve them and thereby climb the ladder of wealth and influence. These are the politicians and beauracrats and media and the military. The beauracrats are particularly problematic because they are unelected, unaccountable, operate unmonitored and collaborate.
In this system, the only means for yourselve and family to survice is to serve the owners - via the structures created to enrich the beauracrats.

Please describe your view.

Posted by: jared | Apr 25 2021 14:48 utc | 10

Biswapriya Purkayast @ 10

I do not want to talk about Covid though I'm Indian and my former teacher died today of it. I am convinced that discussions about it inevitably work to split the anti Imperialist resistance

Or perhaps they're just whittling down the anti Imperialist resistance to what little is left?

Sorry about your former teacher.

Posted by: john | Apr 25 2021 14:54 utc | 11

@Biswapriya Purkayast #10

My condolences to you.

Posted by: S | Apr 25 2021 14:56 utc | 12

C.E.O. Pay Remains Stratospheric, Even at Companies Battered by Pandemic

Don't get the indignation shown at the comments section of this article. The USA is a capitalist society, and, in capitalism, the capitalist class is the dominant class. Those CEOs are the true rulers of the USA. Therefore, they get the lion's share of the total wealth produced. That's how the system should work, and it is working.


Michigan’s Covid Wards Are Filling Up With Younger Patients: Even as vaccines roll out, more younger people in Michigan are being hospitalized than at any other point in the pandemic. And they’re coming in sicker.

This is probably the Brazilian variants (P1 and/or P2). Both the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines are useless against those variants, so all that effort to vaccinate the American population by July was thrown in the bin.

The USA fucked Brazil (by denying it the Sputnik V), now Brazil fucks the USA.

Probably the first and last time Brazil manages to fuck with the USA. It only cost the Brazilians 300,000+ dead, but hey, baby steps.


Worth the repost:

Devastating epidemic 'may drag Indian economy back to 20 years ago'; China stands ready to help

Superpower by 2020? Unless the Indians prove Einstein was wrong and invent a time machine that can go backwards in time, I don't think they will.


Interview: CPC's leadership, socialist system key to China's success: former Hungarian PM

Even the random Hungarian ex-politician can see the obvious by now.

The labor aristocracy of the First World countries should smell the coffee and start once and for all the world proletarian revolution Lenin hoped for in 1917. It's the only way out.

Was Marx Also a Social Democrat? In a new book, Shlomo Avineri explores the social democratic impulses and Jewish origins of Karl Marx.

This is a grotesque anachronism.

Marx is both the father of what we call nowadays social-democracy and communism. However, the social-democrats in the West rejected most of Marx during the end of the 19th Century, and here I'm specifically talking about the SPD (German Social-Democratic Party), which was, as the old saying goes, "the party not of Marx, but of Lassalle". The SPD was to the social-democratic parties what the Russian Communist Party (future CPSU) was to the communist parties, i.e. their leadership.

In the UK, Labour was not founded and never was a Marxist party, but a pure trade-unionist party. It was "retconned" as a social-democratic party only after WWII, when the USSR emerged as a prestigious world superpower and where a legitimizing narrative was necessary to justify the Attlee reforms of 1945-1950. But, in general, social-democracy and Marxism were never really a thing in the UK, save for some very marginal, underground, groups.

Marx's loss of the SPD to the "Lassallists" generated one of his most famous books, entitled "Critique of the Gotha Program". After that, he essentially gave up trying to take the party to his side. The SPD continue to pay homage to Marxism until Engels' death (1895). After Engels' death, the SPD cut all ties it had with Marxism and became a Lassallian chimera with the help of Kautsky and co.

The definitive schism of social-democracy - that would give birth to the division we know today between social-democrats ("socialists") and socialists ("communists") - would finally happen in 1919, with the foundation of the Third International.

So, to sum it up, not only it is an anachronism to call Karl Marx a "social-democrat", but, if such revisionism was to happen, it would be the communists - and not the social-democrats - who would have the better claim to the sole possession of Marx's affiliation.

P.S.: Marx wasn't a Jew. His father was a Jew. You're only born a Jew if your mother is a Jew, not your father. But even his father was a secular Jew, and immediately converted to Protestantism in order to take an office in the Prussian State. Marx didn't receive any Jewish education, and there is no evidence he ever practiced Judaism, nor frequented Jewish circles. Either way, being a Jew doesn't indicate at all that you're more naturally inclined to social-democracy than to communism: the Bolshevik Party was filled with Jews (Trotsky was a Jew). The "Bund" (the Jewish faction of the Russian Social-Democratic Party) was neither affiliated to the Mensheviks nor to the Bolsheviks. The myth that the communists hate the Jews probably comes from the post-war phenomenon of the so-called "Refuseniks", and from the stereotype in the West that the Jews are impassioned capitalists.


China reveals moon station plan with Russia, openness on Space Day: Open-mindedness for intl cooperation emphasized

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 14:57 utc | 13

Interesting essay over at about the atomisation of US society by Identity Politics, Selective Censorship and Political Correctness (aka self-censorship).

The United States of 2 Americas
Posted on April 25, 2021 by Steven J. Willett

The following article by Ret. Col. John Mills from The Epoch Times should be of interest to readers of this site.


If you haven’t noticed, the United States is reorganizing itself into two Americas — blue and red. Although there is a president of the United States, state governors are in many ways now driving the national narrative in this new America.
etc, etc.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 25 2021 14:58 utc | 14

In the States about 25% are fully inoculated with the Covid jab - and close t0 50% have gotten at least one dose from the MRNA medicines. These are not vaccines. But with only half the population on their way to full dose jabs, the DEMAND for these Covid remedies has dropped very dramatically. Jab centers are closing, and pressure is being put on the US to 'share' its stockpile with other countries as supply is going to outpace demand in a shocking and embarrassing way within days.

We can see the for-profit, corporate media trying their guts out and crying their eyes out to convince everyone from small children to pregnant women to old folks to get their poke in the arm. After a year of fear-mongering, mis-informing and coercing, about half of the USA is just saying 'no' to these experimental, emergency use only therapies.

The Establishment and its institutions have lost all trust with most citizens. And with good reason.

Posted by: gottlieb | Apr 25 2021 15:04 utc | 15

@gottlieb | Apr 25 2021 15:04 utc | 18

The Establishment and its institutions have lost all trust with most citizens. And with good reason.

The thing about trust is that it can be lost exactly once. It never returns.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 25 2021 15:09 utc | 16

Regarding the supposed “step-back” in the Ukraine, I remain a bit skeptical and very concerned. Has Ukraine withdrawn its legislation essentially swearing to use physical means to re-take the Donbass and Crimea? Nope, they’re demanding Patriot air defense systems (sic) and saying they need nukes. Have they withdrawn a single piece of hardware or troops from the contact line? No, they’re calling up more reserves. Anything changed in internal Ukie politics to take the heat off Zelenski to push for confrontation? No, Ukraine is falling apart fast as ever, and the Nazis certainly haven’t gotten nicer. Is the decision de jour to delay sending US ships into an imminent shooting gallery really a sign that the US is less likely to push this confrontation? No, as the Saker and others have pointed out, it’s technically almost more ominous, particularly if you have lapdog Brits eager to send their own sacrificial lamb instead. Has anyone on the Biden/Obama action team received therapy or an education in the last few days? Don’t think so.

It seems to me that all the last few days have shown us is:
(1) This was/is a much more intricate and large scale attack planned for everything Russian. It’s starting to look like the plan was to have massive NATO “exercises” all around Kaliningrad, perhaps with provocations planned using the always supple Poles, as a military distraction for the Kremlin and to tie down resources; coupled with a coup and potential civil war in Belarus commencing May 9, further tying up Russia with its concerns about the only ex-Soviet nation of more concern to them than Ukraine (plus blocking troops hitting Ukraine from the North); and with all the NATO troop movements, the Ukrainian part of the exercises turning into the three planned NATO bases in the Ukraine. Then, the assumption was and frighteningly may still be (see b on wrong lessons learned) the attack on the Donbass could proceed apace and the Russians would be too terrified of accidental entanglements with NATO to do anything other than more unofficial assistance, which wouldn’t be enough.
(2) The Russians see this, and called their massive “exercises” to show not only their willingness but their ability to quickly and massively intervene, and the forces are still effectively where they were, fueled up and ready to go, with some few of the troops beginning to rotate back to their bases to ensure they are properly rested up for when they’re really needed (unlike the poor Nazis still sitting in the cold mud, waiting to die), while this was meant to simultaneously offer the West a face-saving opportunity to pull back themselves (which, note they haven’t done). Russia’s strong diplomatic “messages” including not just Putin’s speech but the effective severing of diplomatic ties certainly hasn’t changed, or indicated Russia believes things have changed meaningfully.

So, as much as I would love to see this go back to a frozen conflict, or better yet resolved per Minsk, I’m not seeing it. And I don’t believe Russia is falling for the US’s delaying tactics (caused by parts of the Neocon plan already falling apart—but do you really think this will cause them to reconsider? Doubt it.). I’ve said before, and I think Putin’s speech does nothing to make me change my mind, I think Russia has genuinely decided the US is a rabid dog living in its own crazy world, and they are going to have to let the real world knock some sense into it, lest things escalate even further and we’re looking at MAD. I think they’re looking for a place and time to punch the US in the nose, and make sure it, not its minions, feels direct pain. And what better place than Ukraine, where Europe is not so keen to get embroiled.

Here’s an article on the similarities with the Cuban missile crisis, which is perhaps where we are. Russia and the US on the verge of a Second Caribbean Crisis

Posted by: J Swift | Apr 25 2021 15:12 utc | 17

@ Posted by: Lelush | Apr 25 2021 15:36 utc | 22

PCR is not and never was used as diagnosis. The protocol of COVID-19 diagnosis, from the very beginning (when it was only confined to China), is very clear: you have to show a list of symptoms and lungs damage confirmation through an MRI.

The PCR merely shows if you have or had the virus sometime in the last 30 days, and is used as a public policy tool, not as a diagnosis tool.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 15:45 utc | 18

thanks b... will look at the various links you have generously shared.... i appreciate it...

i see we have a one trick pony on the board today.. fanaticism is one byproduct of covid, no matter how one views it.. then we have the cheerleaders chiming in too, lol...

Posted by: james | Apr 25 2021 15:56 utc | 19

@james no kidding

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 25 2021 16:20 utc | 20

@ Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 25 2021 14:58 utc | 17

re. Red/Blue America Divided

It is important that America should be divided.
However, truth is that all people have a lot of common interest.
They key is to keep them from realizing and acting on that.
And the pols use hot button issues to get elected - works for getting elected but poisons the environment.

Long before the riots in St Louis, z/h was posting about police abuse of power and posing videos of such and talking how police wanted to make filming of police illegal and the militarization of the police and the growing security state and threat to liberty.

The cop who killed the guy in milwauki did not develop that restraining technique on his own and that was not some back wood jimcrow local government.

If people could focus on the issues rather than packaged narrative we would find common ground. And thats why it wont happen.

Posted by: jared | Apr 25 2021 16:39 utc | 21

@ Posted by: Lelush | Apr 25 2021 16:28 utc | 30;

Actually, the crescent usage of PCR for public policy is evidence that the pandemic is real and very grave, and not the opposite, as you insinuate.

If the whole thing was successfully controlled, then the system would have time and the resources to follow the traditional diagnosis path. But, by the time you manage to book an MRI, the virus has already infected millions, so you have to resort to a quicker and mass process. The system collapsed because the pandemic is real, not because it is not.

There is no mathematical conspiracy. Any R0 >= 2.0 is exponential growth. What you may be referring to is the waves. It depends on what each country do: successful countries contained the first wave and saw the second and third waves, smaller. Unsuccessful countries saw just one giant wave because they didn't defeat the first one and it accumulated with the second and third ones. Half-the-way countries probably saw a "ladder" pattern, as the first wave was just partially contained, then a period of relaxation followed, proceeded by the second wave (and then the third wave).

ICUs don't collapse often - specially in the first world countries. But even if we take that as true, you must have to confront the fact that the funerary services of the most heavily affected countries have also collapsed. In Brazil, for example, air pollution rose sharply in the cities that have crematories because of the excess of human bodies being cremated daily, funerary companies have announced a crisis of capacity due to the skyrocketing number of clients and the cemeteries have announced a night shift for burials.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 16:46 utc | 22

I have seen no evidence that people with high blood levels of Vitamin D (say, over 60 ng/mL) have contacted serious cases of covid, still less died of it.

Posted by: lysias | Apr 25 2021 17:30 utc | 23


The one trick pony should maybe post less, he still makes a great deal more sense than the old Marxist who proves his purity by throwing infinite canards, red herrings, non sequiturs. And believes whatever the capitalists tell him so long as it is about covid.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 25 2021 17:30 utc | 24

If people could focus on the issues rather than packaged narrative we would find common ground. And thats why it wont happen.
Posted by: jared | Apr 25 2021 16:39 utc | 32

(Red/Blue America Divided)

I'm more optimistic. You've noticed the decline. I've noticed it. The author of the piece has noticed it. People are getting sick of/bored with the bullshit and fear-mongering even here in Oz where it's not as bad as in AmeriKKKa, but it's headed in that direction. The most wonderful thing about politicians who don't listen is the surprised expression on their faces as they're hoisted off the ground on the end of a rope by people tired of being ignored.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 25 2021 18:02 utc | 25

The West has pretty much the moral high ground in the vaccine issue. COVAX uses Western developed vaccines, is mainly Western financed and is the only way for the poorest countries of the world to receive substantial amounts of vaccines at all. Russia doesn`t deliver without a paycheck and China hasn`t implemented it`s earlier promise of making Chinese vaccines a "global public good" either.

North Korea for instance has received Covid-19 vaccines through COVAX. Show me any non-Western country that has delivered medical supplies during the ongoing pandemic to one of it`s enemies for free.

Posted by: m | Apr 25 2021 18:18 utc | 26

To define and then conform with methods of scientific analysis con be complex, often there is a degree of uncertainty. But this complexity is compunded when there are financial and political considerations.

I believe it is an area well suited to the application of artificial inteligence. Of course it would need monitoring. Basically complex evaluations, probabilty analysis.

This would apply in
science - evaluation of data,
law - application of law and judgements
beaucratic functions - application of law and policy
military analysis - war gaming.

Posted by: jared | Apr 25 2021 18:34 utc | 27

I'm more optimistic too

@ Lelush | Apr 25 2021 13:24 utc | 5
Good job. He gave a good kick to "Propaganda Staffel". We just need honest politicians
@ Lelush | Apr 25 2021 13:24 utc | 5
Very good post
We just need honest physicians.
@ Lelush | Apr 25 2021 13:58 utc | 7
You did my evening job! Thanks
All we need is honest artists
@ Oldhippie | Apr 25 2021 14:40 utc | 12
Always right. We just need honest inquiries.
@ gottlieb | Apr 25 2021 15:04 utc | 18
Ministry of Truth and Newspeak doctoring our mind.
All we need ist honest journalists
@ jared | Apr 25 2021 16:39 utc | 32
Yes. All we need is an honest common ground.

And a little bit of

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 18:42 utc | 28

@ Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 25 2021 18:02 utc | 40

"The most wonderful thing about politicians who don't listen is the surprised expression on their faces as they're hoisted off the ground on the end of a rope by people tired of being ignored."

Thats a lot of happy talk.

Posted by: jared | Apr 25 2021 18:47 utc | 29

Posted by: m | Apr 25 2021 18:18 utc | 41

Posted by: Passer by | Apr 25 2021 18:49 utc | 30

@ vk | Apr 25 2021 16:46 utc | 34

Sorry buddy, you lost yourself in the narrative.
The Great Fear of "R0>1" is a job for Propaganda Staffel.

Some academics, generally accepted by the Marxists too

Causality (also referred to as causation, or cause and effect) is influence by which one event, process, state or object (a cause) contributes to the production of another event, process, state or object (an effect) where the cause is partly responsible for the effect, and the effect is partly dependent on the cause.

Isolating and caring for the sick, is and remains one of the foundations of medicine.
And reduce transmission. And R0.

So simple.

Disambiguation:virus and desease are real. Could be severe illness for 10% of world population [new variants=new desease=no data]

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 19:15 utc | 31

Engdahl takes a deeper look at Biden’s Afghan withdrawal:

Private Mercenary Occupation

While the Pentagon has been sly about giving any direct answer, it seems that what the Team Biden neo-cons are planning is a “privatized” US military presence. According to a report by Jeremy Kuzmarov, “over 18,000 Pentagon contractors remain in Afghanistan, while official troops number 2,500. Joe Biden will withdraw this smaller group of soldiers while leaving behind US Special Forces, mercenaries, and intelligence operatives — privatizing and down-scaling the war, but not ending it.” Already there are seven private military contractors in Afghanistan for every single US soldier.

Use of private military contractors allows the Pentagon and US intelligence agencies to avoid serious Congressional oversight. Typically they are special forces veterans who earn vastly more as private security contractors or mercenaries. Their work is simply classified so there is almost no accountability. The New York Times reports, citing current and former US officials, that Washington “will most likely rely on a shadowy combination of clandestine Special Operations forces, Pentagon contractors and covert intelligence operatives” to conduct operations inside Afghanistan.

The Politics of Heroin and the Afghan US Pullout

Posted by: Down South | Apr 25 2021 19:15 utc | 32

vk@16 speculates as to the origin of the myth that Communists as Communists as such are anti-Semites. I would add two other prominent causes. The concept of "totalitarianism" was devised to equate fascists and communists as conjoined twins fighting noble democracy. If fascism and communism are in other words, merely the two sides of the same coin, then communists must be anti-Semites as well. The original theorists of totalitarianism were also into the idea that it was the US/England/France that defeated Nazi Germany and anti-Semitism was the very soul of fascism anyhow, so totalitarians must be anti-Semites. Also, though I suppose this would be more controversial, Zionism is as closely related to fascism as Jim Crow/lynch mob/eugenics/herd the Indians onto reservations/the only good one is a dead one/colonial empire of settlers taming the barbarians kinds of democracy, like the US and England and France. As such, Zionism is deeply and profoundly anti-Communist.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 25 2021 19:27 utc | 33

J Swift | Apr 25 2021 15:12 utc | 20

The Ukranians are building up their forces.

A tank brigade (43 T-64 combat vehicles) of the #Ukrainian army has been deployed to the Luhansk direction - data from the OSCE Special Monitoring Report of April 24

In last report (April 23), the OSCE SMM announced the transfer of 50 T-64 tanks to #Donetsk direction. *****The LPR announced the arrival of Ukrainian tanks in Donbass

Although I do think the Russians are using a tried and tested judo technique, "leave a space into which the opposing side advances, away from it's defendable bases". (1066 and all that. Hastings anyone?). Putin and Shoigu have moved back - resting their troops, who now have first hand knowledge of the positions held on the front. The supply lines are tried and tested, and resources are in place. What else could a General want before a battle?

I think the Russians are waiting for an excuse to "secure" at least the Luhansk and Donetsk enclaves. They do not want the non-russian speakers as a "failed state" within a state, but could probably accept the half million Uke-Russian speakers who now have also got Russian Passports. A partial division of the country would be my bet.

The "new" instigators seem to be the UK ! They are the ones that have trained 20'000 Uke troops, and supply arms. They are the ones pushing action (warships) and if anything goes wrong, it is the EU who inherits the mess.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 25 2021 19:36 utc | 34

I am still amazed when hearing all of these arguments in favor of the mass spread of the novel coronavirus. The arguments against testing and tracing and isolation are arguments for the virus to become endemic like the flu or herpes, only much deadlier. The arguments for ignoring the populations that the virus is less lethal in is just an argument for the uncontrolled spread of the virus.

I suppose it is just a reflection of ingrained, institutionalized even, narcissism in the West. Even the idea itself of a public health policy is too alien to their ways of looking at the world for them to grasp. I guess it was a lost cause from the very beginning to hope that the West could somehow control the pandemic.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 25 2021 19:55 utc | 35

Very good points - all of them.

If you can not see how representative democracy and human rights system is being hijacked before our eyes you are not paying enough attention..

This is the key that is now becoming apparent. BUT is it a "late" addition, or was it planned from the start? Here I agree with * Mann Friedman | Apr 25 2021 17:32 utc | 37* about the PCR test being useless (for the purpose) and the virus not yet having been analysed and isolated. However, the earlier "fact" (maybe) that "Pfizer worked out the basis of their Vaccine in a few days" (virtually on the back of a used envelope) and that "how is (it) that Moderna registered the patent of its vaccine already in September, past year, when the pandemic was not even declared yet, not even in China...????"

All point to "vaccines" that had been conceived earlier and that the sequels may actually already be known. Big jump there, but helps to explain why they want "legal" protection before anything happens.

It also suggests many unpleasant surprises to come.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 25 2021 20:01 utc | 36

Ms. norecovery

Your a very misguided woman for stating:

"My understanding is that effective treatment is the best way to reduce mortality and control transmission..."

Investigate the etiology of typhus, for which no vaccine exists. Ebola is another case of neither vaccine nor effective treatment.

Effective treatment? What an ignorant and uncaring pose. Thank God that people like you are not in any government.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 20:01 utc | 37

@ Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 19:15 utc | 49


If you infect two people and each of these newly infected people infect two more people each, then you have a simple exponential function (2^x), isn't it? I'm not from the field of Mathematics, so someone here can correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 20:16 utc | 38

@ Posted by: norecovery | Apr 25 2021 19:14 utc | 48

Treatment is much more expensive and profitable than prevention (vaccine).

If you had a vaccine that prevented cancer (or diabetes, or AIDS), do you think it would be more or less profitable than the treatments?

Simple, cheap, effective, "single pill" treatments are very rare. The discovery of penicillin is a one-of-a-kind event; we're not talking about multicellular parasites like worms or tapeworm, which can be taken down by simple and single chemical compounds.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 20:24 utc | 39

@ Posted by: Lelush | Apr 25 2021 17:49 utc | 39

Except for the fact you also have the gigantic pile of cadavers. Even the fanatical and brutish Christians of Middle Age England could understand this, I don't know why you can't.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 20:29 utc | 40

Every time science gets mixed up with politics something horrible happens.

Posted by: DG | Apr 25 2021 20:38 utc | 41

Mr. Vk

What you descibe is a geometric progression, a special case of exponential growth.

But it matters not to the fantasists who inhabit this forum. They do not seem to have had sound education in mathematics or hard sciences. And their appeals to "Authority" makes them sound just like the Jihadists.

I must say, I now understand why the building of socialism in USSR failed, the cadres were not up to the task.

Perhaps had the Second Thirty-Year War's slaughter had been avoided, the upstanding and idealistic Western European youth would have brought into existence a new human-centric economic and political order that could have accomodated, at the same time, the desires and aspirations of the non-European peoples for autonomy and self-rule.

Now, of course, we would never know. We have Bureaucratic Socialism in Europe, under an Imperial Power, a grotesque deformity. And Mosque socialism in Iran, with limits on Personal Liberty. And there is a lack of a credible political philosophy for a better world, that could accomodate our mutual antipathies and yet propel us to a better future, at this time, as far as I can see.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 20:40 utc | 42

Ms. norecovery

You are listening to and disseminating the words of Ahriman, the Lord of Lies, the enemy of mankind.

I respectfully urge you to seek spiritual & religious help lest you kill yourself.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 20:46 utc | 43

@46&47 Lelush
If Russia is so much in favour of publishing " vaccines formulas" than why didn`t it publish the formula of Sputnik V but instead calls upon others? Russia does a lot of such PR stunts. The Twitter picture looks nice, too. Did you find out how many doses actually arrived in Moldava?

When it comes to actually delivering something in substantial numbers -for fre-e it`s only COVAX. When it comes to actually making some substantial contributions to COVAX it had only been Western countries so far.

Posted by: m | Apr 25 2021 20:50 utc | 44

Mr. Vk

Ms. Nonrecovery is a young unlicked woman who lives in Canada, an American protectorate.

I pointed out to her the experience of the medical staff in Iran, the number of the deceased (69,000 souls as of yesterday) and that there was no effective treatment; that oxygen and the quality of nursing care seemed to make a difference. That 50% of patients on ventilators died.

None of that she seems to grasp. Thank God for not having people like her in the Iranian government, which, is importing vaccines from Cuba, China, WHO, and Russia as well as setting up licensed production lines for the Russian and Cuban vaccines as well as developing indigenous vaccines locally. All under economic war by US & Co.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 20:58 utc | 45

Sorry james, I get the reference to the one trick pony, but as with others here, I resonated quite a lot with that trick. Lelush is a newcomer and may even be something to figure out down the road, but the balance of material s/he posted today is pretty damn good, I think.

Many thanks to both of you, for the the light that increases when you speak :)

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 25 2021 21:02 utc | 46

It's very important to Americans to read this:

America’s Crumbling Infrastructure: Roads [ASCE VISUAL CHART]

Can't topple your government if you're late.


@ Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 20:40 utc | 62

The Bolsheviks, after taking power in October (November) 1917, had a dual policy for foreign relations:

1) for the developed capitalist countries: stimulate and sponsor a proletarian-socialist revolution. They're ready for the real thing (according to theory);

2) for the undeveloped, feudal or semi-feudal countries: stimulate and sponsor a bourgeois-democratic (i.e. nationalist, anticolonial) revolution. They're not ready for the real thing (according to theory), so the next best thing would be to accelerate History so they developed capitalism as fast as possible.

In practice, this resulted into a dual West-East (European-Asian) foreign policy. The version that we see more often is the Soviet policy in the West, which we all know by heart. It was, long story short, a failure.

However, the emphasis on the failed Western policy masks the huge success of the Eastern policy: it was because of the USSR that the colonies of Asia gained their first idea as independent countries. Even in the case of Turkey (Kemalist Turkey), Soviet intervention was essential to the success of the consolidation of the Kemalist regime. From Persia to Korea, from Mongolia to Vietnam, anticolonialism only was born and/or took shape because of the great awakening triggered by the October Revolution and anti-Tsarist foreign policy in Asia. Even Sun Yat-sen immediately saw the similarities between his revolution and the October Revolution.

That's why the USSR, even nowadays, still enjoys great prestige and respect from the Third World countries, specially the Asian ones. Even in Latin America - the USA's backyard, where Liberalism is extremely strong as a mass ideology - the ideas of Bolshevik socialism enjoy significant support and sympathy (not to talk about Cuba, which indeed had a successful, textbook, bourgeois-democratic revolution immediately followed by a communist revolution). It is only in the First World countries that the USSR is unequivocally seen as a completely failed experiment and a completely bankrupt ideology (that's not surprising, as the Third World had a worst life quality and economies than the USSR, so it would be asinine to criticize them for their material performance).

The USSR may represent slavery in the First World; but it represents freedom and hope in the Third World.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 21:06 utc | 47

@ Posted by: norecovery | Apr 25 2021 20:48 utc | 64

Yeah, but there are no early treatments for COVID-19.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 21:07 utc | 48

By the way, the K Bhattacharjee who wrote the OpIndia piece is my old friend Kishalay Bhattacharjee.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 25 2021 21:12 utc | 49

Mr. Vk

Like everything else in human affairs, USSR had positive and negative aspects.

About 5000 Iranians were executed in USSR. Many thousands more were imprisoned for decades there. And lastly, they, together with UK, invaded Iran in spite of Iran's declaration of neutrality in yera 1320. And I am not even going to go into details about the Azerbaijan case in 1948.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 21:15 utc | 50

@ vk

Yeah, but there are no early treatments for COVID-19.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 21:07 utc | 69

Unfortunately not true.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 21:18 utc | 51

@Lelush 24

If B posts an article about India I will say all I have to say. I'm even willing to write the article for him. However I am not willing to start talking about coronavirus because I warned online exactly one year ago that it will divide the anti Imperialist movement and turn friends into enemies. And that is exactly what has happened.

As for Modi, look back at my responses over the months and you'll see what I have to say about the gibbering globetrotting genocidal Gujarati gangster.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 25 2021 21:19 utc | 52

Mr. Vk

My grandmother, wherever she is now, used to say:

"7 sets of China, nothing for either lunch or dinner."

Americans (read Warlike Judeo-Christians) decided that the crumbling of the human capital and the infrastructure in US was a very distant concern in comparison to their religious fantasies over Palestine.

People are entitled to their choices, and yet, they cannot be saved from the consequences of those choices.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 21:22 utc | 53

@vk number 68

Yes. I have always thought that if India had had an armed uprising in the 1920s, which was a real possibility (armed resistance to the Brutish had been going on from the Great Rebellion of 1857 all the way to after the First World War), Soviet help would have been forthcoming and India would have been able to liberate itself by the 1930s, both as a United entity and with a much lower cumulative loss of life. Instead Mohandas Gandhi, whom Slavoj Zizek accurately calls a safety valve for the Brutish, turned it into a useless "non violent struggle" which achieved absolutely nothing. The Brutish left after WWII because they had looted India of everything that they were ever going to.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 25 2021 21:25 utc | 54

@48 and 57 norecovery

I agree with you that treatment is the key to crushing an epidemic. As you well know, and as you link, this is exactly what Dr. Peter McCullough's testimony to a state committee in Texas last month says.

I'm posting the direct YouTube link - I think that Bernard F has been posting this link in other threads - regardless, I'm grateful to all.

I recommend this 20-minute clip of testimony to all interested in how medical science traditionally combats an epidemic, and what was different about the response in the US this time around. Truly, this pandemic has been the anomaly that we feel it to be - not in the outbreak of the disease but in the wholly dysfunctional political response to it.

Dr. McCullough - who is a highly credentialed man and, as it becomes apparent during his testimony, a very sane and genuine human being - cites how medical science, the profession of being a doctor, responded to the pandemic in the US up until about May. At that time, suddenly the future event of a vaccine became a thing, and then a strange thing happened, which was the total blackout of any talk of a treatment for the disease.

Here's the link, and you can see for yourself what he has to say. To me, after thousands of hours of study on the situation - this one piece of testimony is the pearl of great price:

Peter McCullough, MD testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee

I'm sending this one to colleagues and friends, because in Texas it counts as local and they may even hear what he's saying, maybe. He does us the enormous service of describing how medicine typically responds to an outbreak of disease, and then he describes how that traditional dynamic was simply stopped, mid-stream.


What he doesn't do is connect the final dot. I owe it to people here in this site for connecting that dot for me, and I simply restate it here now. The good doctor is mystified why all talk of treatment was deliberately suppressed. But he never mentions that, for Big Pharma's vaccine to enter the market and make money, there could be no treatment available.

The US vaccines in the US are not approved, merely authorized, by FDA. Such Emergency Use Authorization can only be granted, according to law, if there exists no treatment for the disease. So, for Pfizer to make profits, there can be no existing treatment available to treat Covid-19.

It's such a simple equation when you understand it - and Big Pharma does understand it.

Dr. McCullough explains to this committee of the Texas legislature what went wrong, and what we still could do to crush the epidemic. And Texas may hear this, who can say.

But Big Pharma has already testified, at least to the history that perhaps may one day be written, that the solution of crushing the disease would not work for its profits.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 25 2021 21:26 utc | 55

Mr. Lelush

We cannot solve all the problems of the world at once, especially possible future ones.

At 1900, very many married women had lost 2 chikdren to childhood diseases. Are you advocating going back to those days? Like not administering polio vaccines? [I seem to be hearing the Lord of Flies again...]

We have a problem here and now. Future generations will need to take care of their own issues, we cannot anticipate all problems in any case.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 21:33 utc | 56

@vk #16

Excellent post and always useful Marxist perspectives.

On the spurious socialist credentials of the British Labour Party, add these remarks by Lenin about the Australian Labor Party (ALP) which are as pertinent now as they were incisive over a century ago. Gramsci also nailed the union movement that underpinned all Anglo 'workers' parties.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 25 2021 21:35 utc | 57

Mr.Biswapriya Purkayast

Look up Bose. He enjoys a lot of respect in India.

Yes, Ghandi was the man most responsible for the Partition and the millions of dead caused by it.

British could not hold India, they wre broke and owed money to USA, which wanted to dismantle all those European empires.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 21:37 utc | 58

Addendum: in case that link didn't work:

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 25 2021 21:37 utc | 59

@ Grieved | Apr 25 2021 21:26 utc | 77 who wrote
But Big Pharma has already testified, at least to the history that perhaps may one day be written, that the solution of crushing the disease would not work for its profits.

That statement is also true for the mental health field as I have experienced in healing my traumatic brain injury, PTSD, anxiety disorder and all the other names they gave to my hurt. I am over a year out now with no negative mental health symptoms and so I'm not buying all that big pharma profit pills to manage, not even cure like I have done, my past mental health problems.

Humanity needs to deprecate the God of Mammon focus of much of Western society that is there because of brainwashing more than inclination, IMO.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 25 2021 21:40 utc | 60

@ vk
Keep quiet, buddy. Too much if...

If you infect two people and each of these newly infected people infect two more people each, then you have a simple exponential function (2^x), isn't it? I'm not from the field of Mathematics, so someone here can correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 20:16 utc | 58

"R>1" is not the term of the "infection /desease" function, but the result of the observation.

Again, don't mix it up. cause and effect.

Quarantine is an old one marine prudent rule. Isolate desease and infected people.

IF you infect two people AND you isolate both for two or three weeks in a room, infection rate will be ZERO.

So simple.

But not simple in a modern human society.
B. posted a link to Charité Intensiv. Yes, that's hard time. But who decide to lockdown a city and not to isolate and cure the infected [symptomatic, not PCRx45cycle tested]
Good night, work mornings next week

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 21:41 utc | 61

Mr. Bernard


And Iranian medical staff are just stupid or incompetent for not having pursued the Medical Truths of these prophets of health, screaming in the proverbial wilderness.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 25 2021 21:41 utc | 62

@76 Lelush

You said:

Vaccinating all the population will erase natural immunity from the face of Earth, leaving the population of the whole world dependant on these pharma giants and their genic therapies for the rest of their lives and generations to come ( as it is believed by certain groups of biologists and medical doctors that the changes in the DNA will be transmitted from generation to generation, decimating natural immunity of human race and thus making it dependant of these products with what that means on grounds of lose of personal sovereignty ) as it is intended to do also with farming crops...

I never saw it that way until now, but this scenario, as you allude, bears such an uncanny resemblance to what Monsanto has done with its filthy Roundup poison spread now across the Earth.

What manner of non-humans are these people, that they can think in terms of poisoning the entire world in order to harvest it? What, of goodness, is left to harvest when you kill it all?


Sometimes the scale of the horror is so great that only a spiritual view is large enough to embrace it at all.

I am often reminded of Tolkien's fiction that the Orcs were created by Morgoth as an emulation of the Elves, the great creation of Eru. The dark lord was so vainglorious and hungry for achievement that he distorted the goodness in order to create something of his own, creating badness in its stead, and never perhaps quite realizing that, as Eru said after the celestial music when the rebel was cast out of the firmament, that "in the end, all his works will redound to My glory."

But who can wait for that end? And that is quite some scale of horror.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 25 2021 21:47 utc | 63

Show me any non-Western country that has delivered medical supplies during the ongoing pandemic to one of it`s enemies for free.

Posted by: m |

Troll much? I can think of many. I remember Russia coming to U$ aid due to an embarrassing lack of medical supplies and then the poor little lefty puppets crying foul.

Posted by: Paul Simon LeGree | Apr 25 2021 21:49 utc | 64


I know Bose extremely well, my grandmother met him in person. Nose was forced out of the Congress Party by Gandhi, and his efforts during WWII, while heroic, were marginal because they did not affect events in India. The regime of Jawaharlal Negru didn't even reinstate the men of Bose's Indian National Army and Indian Legion into the armed forces after independence.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 25 2021 21:59 utc | 65

@ Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 21:41 utc | 83

Biology always goes from the really existing environment. There are no imaginary environments: the real world is the base.

In the real world, as we know it and can observe it, not all infectious diseases have an R0>2.0. In fact, most don't.

The moment you talk about needing to quarantine in order to stop a virus from having an R0>2.0, you're already talking about a pandemic virus, as you're talking about changing the really existing environment the virus is in.

Posted by: vk | Apr 25 2021 22:24 utc | 66

Gruff @ 53

My first post here on covid topic said that US would not culturally be capable of doing anything like what China had done. And likely could not cope culturally at all. Your post bears out that observation.

It is an airborne virus. It reproduces every ten hours. Each infected cell produces 10,000 to 30,000 new viruses. Why would you suppose there is anyone left who has not been exposed? Because of a mask? The entire herd of us will get it or has already had it. In places like Viet-Nâm or New Zealand where the border has been firmly closed the virus will get them the moment they finally let their guard down. The vaccines do not prevent infections.That is impossible for an airborne respiratory virus. The vaccines merely purport to ease symptoms when the illness progresses. Symptoms can be prevented or eased with a large variety of treatments. The myth that treatment does not exist prior to ICU has to be preserved or there is no reason for the ‘vaccines’.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 25 2021 22:35 utc | 67

Below is a comment that needs to be repeated here but I found it over in the Turtle thread

A must watch from Jimmy Dore. Professor shuts down BBC's propaganda in real time:
Sorry, couldn't post proper link, but you can google.

Posted by: Peter Schmidt | Apr 25 2021 22:17 utc | 68

I just watched the show and the link is now going to be sent to my fence riding family/friends...go watch it

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 25 2021 22:39 utc | 68

b said;"> The fundamental misperception appears to be the assumption that Russia aims to find its way back into the US-led order; rather, Russia is pursuing an organized decoupling from the US-led order."

For the sake of world peace and order, I for one, certainly hope so. The U$A demonstrates daily it cares for nothing but global commerce hegemony, enforced by its military threats.

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 25 2021 23:09 utc | 69

Damn, so many posting on over-time sunday. something to be said for gainful employment I guess. One of our longtime posters, who is long deceased, "rememberinggiap", would be highly amused...

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 26 2021 0:01 utc | 70

Mr. Biswapriya Purkayast

The late Mr. Gandhi also caused the late Mr. Jinah's departure from Congress, a man who had been a respected member of Congress long before him.

He and his deifications by the late Pundith Nehru and the men around him have been on-going disasterd for the people of India: Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Jain, and many others.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 26 2021 1:08 utc | 71

Mr. Lelush

Very good, thanks for clarifying your position.

I am not competent the risks associated with the mRNA vaccines. We shall see over the coming years and decades if those risks were warranted.

I am not an enemy of EU but they are defintely vassal of an enemy of Iran, and they are themselves enemies of Iran as well as Shia Islam - to vaying degrees.

They were shown not to be competently led, and I include UK, which has been led by a 2-bit clown (who presided over the death of care home residents in their thousands.)

I disagree with Mr. M here in as much as I find EU to be breft of any claim to moral leadership. They are junior thugs.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 26 2021 1:15 utc | 72

It is an airborne virus. It reproduces every ten hours. Each infected cell produces 10,000 to 30,000 new viruses. Why would you suppose there is anyone left who has not been exposed? [...] The vaccines do not prevent infections.That is impossible for an airborne respiratory virus.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 25 2021 22:35 utc | 92

Totally wrong. " The imbalance of humors, or dyscrasia, was thought to be the direct cause of all diseases. Health was associated with a balance of humors, or eucrasia." Unfortunately for the humourists and the humanity, "Humourism began to fall out of favor in the 1850s with the advent of Germ theory". IMHO, were Oldhippie a humorist, he would write with more sense, at least about COVID.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 26 2021 2:17 utc | 73

As many MoA barflies know I have been a long time scanner of Reuters and quote their stories when appropriate because they use to publish little snippets of truth.

Since Reuters has announced their coming paywall and reformatted their web site I have yet to find a snippet of truth there....I look forward to conformation or not by any flush enough to follow them behind their paywall in hopes of finding value there.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 26 2021 2:19 utc | 74

I live in the US where school board elections are coming up and the manufactured "educational" crisis is between those that want to focus on racism/inequity or sex education/not sex education while in China we have a report like the following:
BEIJING, April 25 (Xinhua) -- China's Ministry of Education (MOE) has called for appropriate school scheduling to ensure that students at the compulsory education stage engage in one hour of physical activity both during and after school hours every day.

Physical education (PE) classes and campus exercise activities should not be squeezed out in favor of other programs, said the MOE in a circular, which asked schools to offer guidance on PE homework and offer quality exercise resources.

PE classes should focus on teaching students health knowledge, basic exercise skills and special sports skills and enable every student to play one or two types of sports, said the circular.

The MOE also encouraged the establishment of youth sports clubs where students can make use of their extracurricular time to practice soccer, basketball and volleyball, among other sports.

The MOE said at a press conference Sunday that 95 percent of schools had ensured students took an hour of physical exercise every day during school hours.

Chinese students showed a gradual improvement in physical fitness as 33 percent were evaluated as being in good shape in 2020 compared to 26.5 percent in 2016, the MOE said.

Incidence of being overweight and obese among students at various schooling ages was on a downward trajectory during the period, the ministry added.

The dysfunctional shit show of the West cannot end soon enough for my taste. The ongoing fealty to the God of Mammon cult of global private finance must be exposed for the anti-humanistic meme it is.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 26 2021 2:33 utc | 75

I do have a healthy respect for the Global Times.

They do have balls to show the bad aspect of China.

This keeps up the objectivity and trustworthiness, I'm sure.

Posted by: Smith | Apr 26 2021 3:08 utc | 76

@ ld | Apr 26 2021 2:47 utc | 101 who seemed to imply that my link and repeat of the comment link do not work

I just tried it again and it seems fine for me except the ads in the beginning

The link again

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 26 2021 3:21 utc | 77

Further to the Yahoo news story on hundreds of jewish supremacists chanting 'death to Arabs.' This extremism is a regular if often unreported occurrence in the bandit state.

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I understand there are many hundreds of subscribers around the world. They are entirely self funded and provide these shocking details of zionism in practice as a public service.

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Posted by: Paul | Apr 26 2021 3:36 utc | 78

Below is a link to a Juan Cole posting about what is going on in Occupied Palestine

Israeli Police injure 12 Palestinians in Continued Iron Fist Crackdown on Jerusalem Ramadan Crowds

The religious war seems to be heating up over the al-Aqsa mosque site that the Jews want to raze to build their Third Temple....where are the aliens when we really need them to end this monotheistic stupidity?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 26 2021 4:45 utc | 79

@ 67 grieved...and others who addressed me..

although old hippie and a few others said something to me, including the new authority on covid who now graces moa, here are some of my thoughts in no particular order... first off, i was tied up today doing a recording - different from yesterday.. i had a busy weekend playing music which was nice! we watched a cool show called 'honeyland' tonight... you can watch it for free on knowledge network.. here is a straight link to it, but you need to sign up to watch it - free..

people can talk about whatever they want to on these open threads... i just found it interesting and i continue to find it interesting how intense the dynamic is on the topic of covid... it reminds me of the topic of trump - so very polarizing and one wonders if there is any way to turn the intensity of it all down.. it appears not... and usually when someone like our previous poster 'circe' would grace the pages of moa, it would be all about 'trump' or biden and the dems 24-7, all the time... this topic has religious characteristics where the people on both sides of the conversation feel like they are receiving the holy eucharist handed out by whoever the latest authority is on the topic... get your last supper, come and get it, lol....

so, i watched your 20 minute video from the doctor in texas... he makes a lot of good points, the biggest being what about compassion, not to mention offering the people who get these tests and test positive - what is being offered them in terms of a cure?? he makes a great point.. he thinks its possible for herd immunity.. that is another faith based thing as i see it.. some believe in it and some don't and i am sure there are viewpoints on both sides offering manna from science to prove their point too... he basically says anyone over 50 ought to get the vaccine, especially if they have some health compromised situation...

then there is the constant back and forth on the pcr test... they have the settings too high, or it doesn't prove a thing, or - and on and on it goes... is someone presenting something new today, or has it all been ran over like a dead chicken on the road the past 12 months?? seems like the later to me..

then there is the great reset concept... the financial powers - 1%, throw in bill gates - they are pushing the titanic out onto the main stage and we're headed more rape and pillage by big pharma, and the corps and that is all that this is about, until they hit the proverbial iceberg and you know that is going to happen too, as bubbles - yeah, the burst... but the federal reserve will provide some money to save everyone, but especially the banks and now the big pharma corps if they can't get rid of their covid jab...

and we have the internet - so everyone can read just about every theory and viewpoint on just about anything today... we are surrounded by conspiracy and coincidence theories up the yin yang... i find it tiring frankly.... who to believe?? being naturally skeptical and cynical, it is easy to think these corps, big money, bill gates and just about anyone trying to push something on me are out to get me... so maybe i should go easy on a newbie poster how put out at least 10 % of the posts on this thread - all about covid - cause that is what fanatics do - they try to ram whatever it is they are fanatical about - down your throat... sorry, if i say what i think and some people don't like it.. that is just the way it is with me... on the one hand i love to please and on the other i like to challenge.. sometimes i am not sure which way i feel like swinging..

so, if someone is convinced that the boggie man is going to get them - mrna - a couple of years down the road, because even though they have been working on this since the early 80's, it still isn't approved by the FAA, or FDA or whatever... i'm a canuck... we have a public health care system here in canada... we are not going for 'herd immunity' here in canada... our gov't is pushing the vaccines... i have friends including my brother who is saying no to it.. the group is all over 60 who i am now talking about... some are going to take the jab and some aren't... do i need to get down on someone for their choice, or lack of info, or skepticism on whatever for making a decision that they are entitled to make on their own?? no, i don't...

does it matter what country you live in?? i think it does... some countries have a public medical system and some don't... the video grieved shared really highlights what a privately run medical system looks like... so much of the info - propaganda in particular, seems to be coming from the usa and it typically swamps canada...

i haven't said everything about what i am thinking... let me know when someone says something new. on the topic of covid. i might miss it. thanks.. i feel kind of full of covid talk myself, but some obviously don't!! and i never mentioned about the lockdowns and the mental toll they are taking on people... if it isn't the lockdowns, it is going to be something else... people either get tough and learn how to deal with shit, or they better join some woke movement and identify with some unfortunate minority or something... opps - might get in trouble for saying that too, lol... end of rant..

Posted by: james | Apr 26 2021 4:46 utc | 80

boogie man, lol.... where is frank zappa when you need him??

Posted by: james | Apr 26 2021 4:49 utc | 81

Thank you b, for this site, and your work, and this forum.

I really appreciate the discussion.

What I find a drag though, is when people aren’t respectful.
Fortunately, generally people here are.

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 26 2021 4:50 utc | 82

Below is another Juan Cole link that explains to me why we are at this juncture in our civilization war...sigh

Jerusalem Pogrom: Extremist Jewish Mobs injure 100 Palestinians, chanting “Death to Arabs”

We seem to have unreported genocide going on in Occupied Palestine and I fear that escalation is necessary for survival by the Muslims of the ME.

What a shit show humanity is showing itself to be....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 26 2021 4:56 utc | 83

@ld | Apr 26 2021 2:47 utc | 101

The Jimmy Dore Show
This channel does not exist

It does exist

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 26 2021 4:58 utc | 84

Re corona treatment. There are proven treatments if medicines are given early. Please refer zelenko protocol or treatment with ivermectin. Both have been suppressed to make way for EUA Vaccines. In India also both treatments are circulated but not followed. Importance is given for jabs as per the govt agenda. Now that corona cases are beyond control everybody in power is clearing way for extensive use of remsdivir which is costly and makes a lot of money for pharma companies. There are specialist doctors who say remdesivir is a symptomatic treatment but covid 19 is too big a disease to be left in the hands of doctors.

Posted by: R M Rao | Apr 26 2021 5:09 utc | 85

@ psychohistorian | Apr 26 2021 4:45 utc | 105
Good morning bro.

AL Aqsa [and Palestine], nothing to do with monotheism. This is the narrative.

It's about ethnic cleansing and European colonialism called sionism.[I was there, really disgusting]

For example : "death to Arabs" adress all Palestinian, in order to be replaced by Zionists [a very fews Jews are/remembers from Arabs descend.]

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 26 2021 6:01 utc | 86

@ Piotr Bergman

I wonder if you can tell us which part of what you quoted is totally wrong. Or why I am challenging germ theory. To the contrary, The virus is omnipresent, we are living with it, telling yourself somehow it can be evaded is nonsense. Remember ‘flattening the curve’? The epidemiological idea was slow it down a little with a moderate and short lockdown. There was never a notion that the area under the curve could ever be reduced. The area under the curve is the entire population. Not a good sell. The locked-down conceived magical powers for their masks and so the notion biology could be cheated arose. Yes, the virus reproduces in ten hours, in great quantity. Nothing being done or being contemplated cancels basic biology of infection.

The new epidemiological idea seems to be the virus is infinitely expansive, immunity is never achieved, the virus outwits us forever unless we have clever booster shots until time ends. The virus is now unlike any pathogen ever.

The pharma companies in their original representations did not even make the claim the vaccines prevented infection. They still don’t. The narrative only encourages everyone to think that. Once the 95% effective advertising claim is made no one ever asks 95% effective at just what? People want to believe it is 95% effective snake oil, cures what ails you, so let everyone believe that. The representation has always been that the vaccine made cases more moderate, shortened days in hospital. Not that it kept you out of hospital.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 26 2021 6:24 utc | 87

@ james | Apr 26 2021 4:49 utc | 107

Travel [with Franck] is fatal to prejudice.
A 56' prescription:

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 26 2021 6:26 utc | 88

Good news for Japan:

LDP is losing. I prefer the Japan Communist Party but I'll take the DPP.

Posted by: Smith | Apr 26 2021 8:05 utc | 89

Some questions:
obviously, you don't get 'herd immunity' in a wide territory, be it by vax or by contagion; but you can do it in a small community, especially if you close the borders.
in most EU countries, they refused to close the borders: why? achieving herd immunity (and paying an important death toll at the same time because of the demography = very old populations) is of no interest when your whole economy is based on the import of cheap workers (for fruit seasons, slaughter houses, construction...nursing...'care') because it means the people you import will fall to the virus.
... just a questioning I have.
Same people who do not want to admit there is prophylaxy (but that also implies telling people no alcohol, better food and giving them the means to it) do not want to look into the fact that the countries that have had these stronger new strains were the same which participated in the mass vaccination trials.
Of course, for that as for the rest, the West knows how to export and sub-contract.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 26 2021 9:02 utc | 90

Cleaned up a bunch of corona nonsense


Posted by: b | Apr 26 2021 9:12 utc | 91

Another interesting point is that most EU started to vaccinate only the older people and then progressively to the younger ones, meaning that the 'very experimental stage' is for the old ones. But in countries where ppl of all ages got it, we hear of much more bad side effects.
This will happen too in the EU when they offer vaccination to the ppl under 55 (and that is starting now, med staff, truck drivers, teachers, sea people... would you believe it, they did not offer it to them before, except med staff)
Lots of fishy points remain.

As to who believes that Ahriman and the Shiite imams (in one sentence) will save Iran from pollution, corruption, religious habits leading to crowd gatherings that cannot be stopped even in times of pandemy -as in Brazil and India, where temple congregations and religious festivals were going on.... well, you'd better start to put some order in your beliefs, because mixing Zoroastrianism and Shiism can quickly lead to schizophrenia, or worse, to some fairy-tale Aryan nationalism. Btw, having planes come and go as usual to the 4 corners of the earth does not help. Of course, they need the money from their expats, which is understandable in time of embargo... but no one here believes that religious people do not say first "God decides" before looking into proxylaxis (like the guy last year who was licking the metal bars of the metro to prove covid did not exist before dying from it).
And be happy: 70,000 dead in a country of 82 Mo ppl is far less that UK, France, Belgium or Italy.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 26 2021 9:14 utc | 92

@Smith (91)
Do you reckon this has something to do with the Japanese government's decision to dump Fukushima-contaminated water into the ocean? Last time I checked, there were protests in places like Tokyo and Fukushima.

Posted by: joey_n | Apr 26 2021 9:25 utc | 93

@ joey_n

I think it's that, unclear Covid restrictions, hypocrisy (Sugar was out eating steak during the state of emergency), corruption and sucking off to American and Japan Inc. interests.

There is basically nothing Sugar did right, even Abe was better since he was more decisive.

Good riddance though, the LDP is the american war criminal puppet party, the sooner they are gone, the sooner Japan is back on track.

Posted by: Smith | Apr 26 2021 9:54 utc | 94

Cleaned up a bunch of corona nonsense


Posted by: b | Apr 26 2021 9:12 utc | 92

Much appreciated. They just go on and on and on.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 26 2021 10:12 utc | 95

When I read this, I breath a sigh of relief.

This is the price of Turkey for playing American stooge in the region since the Cold War. Now you can see the BRI processing smoothly.

With USA abandoning India, slapping Turkey in the face, it's clear US has no foreign policy strategy, this is just them throwing shit at the wall.

Now Biden just needs to recognize "Polish death camps" and force Poland to pay money to Israel.

Posted by: Smith | Apr 26 2021 10:15 utc | 96

@ Piotr Bergman

I wonder if you can tell us which part of what you quoted is totally wrong. I wonder if you can tell us which part of what you quoted is totally wrong.

"The vaccines do not prevent infections.That is impossible for an airborne respiratory virus."

Vaccines do not "prevent infections" in the sense of preventing the vaccinated individual from getting pathogens into their bodies. But they help swift elimination of pathogens from the body. Our oral cavity, lungs and spaces in between are covered with mucus that contains antibodies, antibody producing cells (B-cells) and other cells that eliminate pathogens. Mild inflammation that we can get in the process allows to eliminate the cells that were infected and kill the viruses they contain -- severe inflammation additionally causes a lot of "collateral damage". What I am trying to say is that vaccines do help airborne infection and may block the infections from spreading.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 26 2021 10:29 utc | 97

Typo: vaccines do help [to eliminate viruses acquired by an] airborne infection. I skipped [few words].

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 26 2021 10:37 utc | 98

"Do preservative and stray proteins cause rare COVID-19 vaccine side effect?"

Oh, the mystery! Every would-be Sherlock Holmes trying to find the cause of those damned blot clots. Is it preservatives? Is it stray proteins? Is it the fact that the vaccine vials have not been certified by a Rabbi?

How about the fact that thrombocytes/platelets, the cells that do the clotting, have themselves ACE2 receptors? Which means they will happily attach to any viral spike protein whenever they get a chance to do so. Any spike protein, regardless of the source. Be it from the actual virus during an infection or from any of the vaccines. That's right, any of the vaccines. They all carry the risk of causing thrombosis.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Apr 26 2021 10:50 utc | 99

Piotr Berman @99

Yes, antibodies. Plural. The ‘vaccine’ only produces one. There is literally no research concerning where in the human body that particular protein goes. Or how long it resides. From what little we do know that protein seems to mostly stay in the bloodstream. No loose blood on inner lung surface. Unless maybe you have TB.

Harvey Risch, Professor of Epidemiology and Public Health at Yale, author of 330 published articles etc. etc. was on Steve Bannon’s War Room last night. Because where else can the Editor of the International Journal of Cancer get a public hearing? Citing only clinicians of his acquaintance he stated that 50-60% of new Covid patients are fully vaccinated. No RCT, sorry, the Professor thought it worth mentioning. So do I.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 26 2021 11:07 utc | 100

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