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April 14, 2021

Neoconservatives Demand More Meddling In Afghanistan

The wickedness of the imperial U.S. vanguard is well expressed in an Atlantic piece by Eliot A. Cohen, the dean of the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University.

On the U.S. exit from Afghanistan Cohen writes:

This is not the end of the war; it is merely the end of its direct American phase. The war began more than four decades ago, with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and its first American phase, in the 1980s, featured indirect United States intervention on behalf of the anti-Soviet mujahideen. The war will assuredly last well beyond the American exit. There will be no power-sharing, no reconciliation, no peace of the brave.

Those are lies. The war began in the mid of 1979 when the U.S. armed warlords who fought against the Afghan government:

In an interview with French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur in January 1998, former U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski recounted that “according to the official version of history, CIA aid to the mujahideen began during 1980, that is, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the reality, kept secret until now, is quite different: Indeed, it was on July 3, 1979, that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul.”

Cohen continues:

The war will grind on, with the edge going to the brutal fundamentalist warriors of the Taliban, who will torture and slaughter even as they repeal the advances made in women’s education and secularism in any form. But they will not have it all their own way. Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan, India, and the Central Asian republics have their own stakes in this war, and not all of them want to see an outright Taliban victory. So they will fund clients and proxies, as will, in all likelihood, the United States. And the people of Afghanistan will continue to suffer.

Those advances ...

Alan MacLeod @AlanRMacLeod - 8:18 UTC · Apr 14, 2021

Half a century ago, 70% of Afghan teachers and 40% of doctors were women. Today only 1-in-3 girls can read or go to school.
But the myth that the US is helping women is so useful to neocon warmongers that it won't die, no matter what the facts are.
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After more than 40 years of U.S. meddling in Afghanistan with bad results, and after leaving the country defeated, one might think it would be reasonable for the U.S. to abstain from further meddling. But no, after his hypocritical bemoaning of the fate of Afghan women, Cohen is demanding more of it:

The United States will be able to pick sides in the conflict, a luxury it does not now have. For decades it has been subject to implicit and explicit Pakistani threats to choke the supply lines running to American forces in Afghanistan. Once the withdrawal eliminates Pakistan’s hold on its logistics, the United States can and should more freely support India’s efforts to protect its own interests in Afghanistan. The United States can similarly play off the Russians against the Chinese, who do not necessarily want the same things there.

India and Pakistan are nuclear armed neighbors who hate each other. So why not entice a little war between them. Just out of spite.

Plus the dreams of playing off Russia versus China. Luckily that is no longer possible.

But how much hate must one hold to forward such advice?

Posted by b on April 14, 2021 at 18:53 UTC | Permalink

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Just read a commentary in FAZ (one of the main 'conservative' newspapers) which expressed astonishment that the allies were informed of the withdrawal only on short notice.

Rightly so, I say, this how vassals are treated. The space for the cognitive dissonance of our transatlantic elites in regard to 'equal partnership' etc. is getting narrower by the day.

Posted by: Das Kommentariat | Apr 14 2021 19:20 utc | 1

I struggle to understand people like Cohen (and Blinken and Pompeo and Albright and the rest of them). I don't think pathologizing them as psychopaths or sociopaths is definitive. Simply evil comes closer. And yet we let them rule us.

Posted by: NoOneYouKnow | Apr 14 2021 19:26 utc | 2

Isn't it about moving the dijhadists from Libya and Turkey's camps to somewhere else? In this case the allies have certainly been consulted.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 14 2021 19:29 utc | 3

After Bin Laden and his supporters were driven out of Afghanistan, there was no reason for an American presence there, so I fully supported the argument that the Americans should leave and have continued to do so.
However, there is a concern about the future treatment of women and the education system, particularly as to access for girls.

Posted by: chet380 | Apr 14 2021 19:38 utc | 4

@ b who asked " But how much hate must one hold to forward such advice?"

I have a source of this level of hate in my extended family and have chosen to eliminate those people from my life. Unfortunately, in our greater world, that is not an option. We are forced to identify and isolate such energy while staying focused on the source of the hate which is the class based social contract instantiated by global private finance.

If we could stop the class based system then the underpinnings of hate are reduced substantially, if not eliminated entirely.

Neoconservatives are not interested in a solution in Afghanistan other than ongoing subjugation of the population and distraction/FUD of the rest of the world

We continue to hope the shit show that is the West ends soon

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 14 2021 19:40 utc | 5

The soaring contempt and smug exceptionalism made me almost gag on my weetbix as I read this. I've never met an empire more in dire need of a slap down...

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 14 2021 19:50 utc | 6

@Chet380 who opines "there is a concern about the future treatment of women and the education system, particularly as to access for girls." This may be...
However history shows the only ones who can change this are themselves

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 14 2021 20:02 utc | 7

Yes, Cohen represents Israel which controls Johns Hopkins (which they call JHU).
They cannot see past their primitive tribalism, and blame all wrongs on others.
Their donors clearly do not like non-zionist Jews; the US "expert" is always bought.

Posted by: Joe B | Apr 14 2021 20:08 utc | 8

Eliot Cohen is a lifelong Swamp creature.
Harvard, the Harvard post grad, the PhD at MIT via an ROTC scholarship, then Naval War College.
He is the classic chicken hawk: never been in combat or even in the military, but more than happy to spout off about military strategy and starting wars.
This individual is doing nothing more than talking his wallet. His department wouldn't exist without ongoing military threats to the US.
Cohen pushed for invading Iraq - why is his support for ongoing Afghanistan adventures surprising in any way?

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 14 2021 20:21 utc | 9

They are evil. Now that Biden has asked Putin for a summit meeting later this month in Vienna, these zionist vermin will be screaming for war in support of their clansman Zelensky.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 14 2021 20:32 utc | 10

I don't see much mention of this but it seems to me that one reason for the Neocon preoccupation with Afghanistan is that it is right next to Israel's arch enemy Iran that they lust to destroy. Having troops and bases there makes it so easy to put more pressure on Iran and cause as much trouble as possible or invade if the time is right.

Posted by: johnsang | Apr 14 2021 20:44 utc | 11

Biden, along with NATO, sorta replied to the Neocon demands by modifying their earlier withdrawal statement by saying it will begin May first and end on 911. Of course, we all await actions instead of words.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 14 2021 20:58 utc | 12

Same as its been forever, here in the heart of empire. A group of 1%ers can't stand the thought, that somewhere in the world, some one, or some government, will actually coalesce around a system that REALLY serves it's masses wants and needs, instead of enriching the greedy 1% at the top of the economic pyramid.

Here in the U$A, that's been at the heart of our foreign and domestic policies, decade after decade.

And the beat goes on....

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 14 2021 21:00 utc | 13

Posted by: chet380 | Apr 14 2021 19:38 utc | 4
It's hilarious and sad that neocons claim to care about the women and girls of Afghanistan. Before the US set up jihadis and warlords to overthrow the Soviet-backed government, 70% of teachers and 40% of doctors in Afghanistan were women. Now 1 in 3 can go to school. But if you really want to know how much the US cares about women and girls, ask the women and girls of Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Eastern Ukraine, etc.

Posted by: NoOneYouKnow | Apr 14 2021 21:02 utc | 14

Judgement Day...It's coming.

Posted by: donten | Apr 14 2021 21:06 utc | 15

Mr. B.

They seem to be predominantly Hard Zionists.

I would very much doubt their loyalty to the United States.

But then, again, the Judeo-Christian majority in the United States has been promoting such men for a very long time.

Malice is baked into the nature, it seems.

Posted by: fyi | Apr 14 2021 21:20 utc | 16

Scott Ritter's eulogy on the Afghan War:

US to withdraw from Afghanistan after two decades of war leaving behind a tortured wasteland and having accomplished… NOTHING

This is not my area of expertise, but my historian feeling tells me this:

At the height of the Cold War, some dipshit at the CIA or State Department thought transforming Afghanistan into a province to fight the Soviet Union in its "soft underbelly" was a great idea. They did it and it somehow worked, as the USSR bled for some ten years before losing Afghanistan forever.

After the fall of the USSR (December, 1991), the American Empire was left with a distant province at hands. Logically, the next step would be to discuss at a ministerial level (departmental level, in American terminology) about what to do with this cut off, distant province. My guess is this discussion didn't happen. And it didn't happen, for one very simple reason (and this is my hypothesis): Afghanistan, thanks to an intricate and very complex historical process of conversion to a narco-State and the privatization of the American Armed Forces after the Gulf War, became a de facto extralegal cash cow for private contractors with powerful lobbies in both chambers and the WH. Decades later, hired ideologues started to lose historical perspective of the enterprise and begun to publish pro-Afghan War articles and pamphlets essentially on an autopilot mode, i.e. the cash cow became the premise, the rationalization over said cash cow serving gaining a mere ceremonial function.

Posted by: vk | Apr 14 2021 21:32 utc | 17

Eliot Cohen has an ally in Scott Ritter who writes this in RT:

Biden’s decision was likewise aided by the recent appointment of William Burns, a veteran diplomat, to run the CIA. The CIA has built a virtual empire in Afghanistan, underpinned by a private army of contracted Afghan special forces who operate independently of the Afghan military, reporting instead to the CIA-controlled Afghan intelligence service. This private army represented the logical extension of the intimate and visceral involvement of the CIA in Afghanistan dating back to the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Like the US military, the current CIA leadership was forged in the fires of the Afghan conflict.


So the whitewash propagandists are in all corners. See the USA had nothing to do with funding/arming Osama bin Laden to destroy the Afghan socialist government supported by Russia - Scott Ritter said so. This was the government that really emancipated women on a scale never seen before in Afghanistan.

RT - sad continual decline to irrelevance.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 14 2021 21:42 utc | 18

@ B,

Masood and Gulbodeen, both from Ikhwan-ul-Muslimeen (Afghan chapter of Muslim Brothers, who went on to become the icons of the anti-Soviet war were politically active in Mid 70s. Gulbodeen was kicked out of university in 1977 for stabbing someone from the Communist camp in Kabul U's campus.
Muslim Brotherhood, as an organization and ideology, came to Afg in late 60s early 70s.

Muslim Brothers were being breed in Afghanistan to be sent to Central Asia. Soviets freaked out and tried to pre-empt this move.

Afghanistan lost its traditional self, Soviet Union broke into pieces, and US lost its middle class because of this stupid war.

Posted by: Afgun | Apr 14 2021 21:47 utc | 19

Ritter is 100% wrong that the Outlaw US Empire's illegal invasion of Afghanistan "accomplished nothing." He even provides part of what was indeed accomplished, it created a "tortured wasteland" along with murdering tens of thousands of innocents while enriching the CIA to the tune of many Billions. Oh yes, a great deal was accomplished--all of it EVIL.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 14 2021 21:50 utc | 20

Afghanistan has Turkmen, Uzbek and Tajik tribes in the North that could make awesome entry points into the Soviet Central Asia.

Posted by: Afgun | Apr 14 2021 21:50 utc | 21

Using the word ‘evil’ is too easy. Isn’t the whole good vs evil thing one of their favourite traps?!

Posted by: Rae | Apr 14 2021 22:08 utc | 22

No surprise there. Scott Ritter still takes pride in being an USM (and a useful tool for Empire Inc). He obviously doesn't see any contradiction to this when he writes for anti-war.com. Semper Fi über alles I guess!

Posted by: v | Apr 14 2021 22:15 utc | 23

@2

Oddly I have been wondering how people are so messed up that they can justify genocide.

As I read through various historic genocides I often see that a country went through a traumatizing event that in their minds justifies awful acts (eg, 600,000 Germans died of starvation of prematurely during the British food embargo AFTER WW I, when they refused to let Germany use its gold for food). The Khmer Rouge were likely surrounded by killing and brutality related to the US's actions.

But. . . what makes people in a prosperous country like the US desire to kill 500,000 Iraqis and now do the same to Syria and Yemen, neither of which attacked the US? Japan's treatment of Chinese is also one that I can't find any plausible reason for. I can't use any adjective besides evil.

Posted by: schmoe | Apr 14 2021 22:21 utc | 24

I doubt that CIA will leave all this opium!

Posted by: Claus Thomsen | Apr 14 2021 22:23 utc | 25

Sometimes I think "Woke" hatred of our society exemplified in such chants as "hey hey hi ho, western civ has got to go", has some roots in widespread critical contempt of US foreign policy and its brutal medding in the affairs of small countries, reminiscent in its own way of Imperial Japanese treatment of other Asians during the thirties.. Foreign policy and domestic policy are different even though the coddling of many people in the US is only possible from having a tribute economy. maybe the guilt from the secret knowledge of that reality has something to do with the orgy of self loathing gripping white America. Before we started fucking around big time in the levant, one could travel in that area and be OK. As one who graduated from college in 1969 I had female classmates who traveled alone and hung out in Kabul. Afghan women in the cities wore western clothes and my classmates wore regular late sixties hippy girl garb and had no problem. I travelled overland by rail and some hitchhiking all the way to Tehran and spent a week in Baghdad where women in western garb walked the street unmolested with their heads uncovered. We fucked it up and turned all those countries into cultural cesspools where "the best lack all conviction while the worst are filled with passionate intensity" Kinda Sorta looks like those chickens may be coming home to roost.

Posted by: erik | Apr 14 2021 22:32 utc | 26

All this concern over the 'withdrawal' is premature. Not one soldier has been removed. The withdrawal won't happen either - something will happen which will cause us to 're-evaluate' and postpone it - guaranteed. There will be the usual blarney about 'not abandoning allies', 'maintaining our presence in the region' or 'not ceding the area to __insert bad guys here___'.
If, by some miracle, troops are actually withdrawn, will private contractors simply take their place?

Posted by: ian | Apr 14 2021 22:40 utc | 27

@schmoe | Apr 14 2021 22:21 utc | 22

Genocide is typically the result of tribalism, the portrayal of those beyond the tribal fence as evil so as to feel that “we” are the righteous, which is exploited by tribal tyrants. It can be purely aggression to steal benefits for the tyrant’s supporters, or may fulfill the tyrant’s need for an external enemy so as to pose as the defender of the tribe and accuse his opponents of disloyalty.

In the US, it satisfies the anger of the ignorant at causes that are in fact controlled by an unregulated market economy and the government it corrupted. The mass media offer government murder roles to make limited young men feel powerful and honored, for which they have no hope.

Of course that is all much easier if there is a major historical injustice against which the population is angry. Almost never are they offered policy arguments and options, just us vs. them. In the case of the zionists, their grievances are neither unique (Russia and China had several times their casualties) nor related to their claims (everyone’s ancestors had empires in the Mideast thousands of years ago, but the others do not falsely claim a debt in the present.

Posted by: Sam F | Apr 14 2021 23:14 utc | 28

I don't expect that the Taliban are bluffing about their plans post-April, and I don't think they will care about whether remaining mercs, spooks, or NATO troops are officially US soldiers or not.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 14 2021 23:31 utc | 29

Mr. erik

The retired U.S. Navy Vice Admiral Robert S. Harward lived in Tehran during his high school days and traveled alone, at age 17, in Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

What has been lost, according to him, was caused by US Foreign policies that enraged Muslims (not his words, but my editorialization).

USA has paid a very very very heavy price for the Judeo-Christians pursuit of their fantasy lives in Palestine. She is now the enemy of both the Religion of Islam and the Civilization of Islam.

That is what Americans have gained, hatred, and lost, friendship.

The Hubris is unbelievable, in as much as they have also made China and Russia their enemies at the popular level.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 14 2021 23:54 utc | 30

Slash and burn man, the US learnt it off the British. If you can't have something anymore then nobody can, hence the poking and prodding in the wound of India and Pakistan. If you've gotta give it up burn it to the ground or create a little inter ethnic/inter religious conflict before you go.

Posted by: Geraldo | Apr 14 2021 23:55 utc | 31

Mr. karlof1

You be wrong about monetary gains by CIA. Well-connected private businesses gained the most as well as very many of the elements of Afghan government (established by Iran and hijacked by America).

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 14 2021 23:58 utc | 32

Posted by: Sam F | Apr 14 2021 23:14 utc | 26 That was really concise Sam. This is in turn driven by even more basic biological imperatives. Territorialism, aggression, greed, corruption and intra-species competition have both social and biological analogues. We are a lot like chimps.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 15 2021 0:33 utc | 33

b.. your headline goes without saying! why these typically jewish people are in such places of power in the usa defies logic... this eliot a cohen is the same guy who complained about Mearsheimer and Walts paper on the israel lobby saying they were anti-semite! any challenge of the israel lobby in the usa still gets painted this way, but the fact remains these scoundrels have way too much say over usa foreign policy... this freak was "one of the first neoconservatives to publicly advocate war against Iran and Iraq. In a November 2001 op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, Cohen identified what he called World War IV and advocated the overthrow of Iran's government as a possible next step for the Bush Administration. Cohen claimed "regime change" in Iran could be accomplished with a focus on "pro-Western and anticlerical forces" in the Middle East and suggested that such an action would be "wise, moral and unpopular (among some of our allies)". He went on to argue that such a policy was as important as the then identified goal of Osama Bin Laden's capture: "The overthrow of the first theocratic revolutionary Muslim state and its replacement by a moderate or secular government, however, would be no less important a victory in this war than the annihilation of bin Laden." wikipedia quote on him... the guy is your typical sicko who is given a regular platform in usa media... ever wonder why these people are given this and more rational minds are pushed to the side?? the same people who own the usa media are intent on generating profits for wall st... they don't have any honourable beliefs other then a fixation and fascination for war and money..

Posted by: james | Apr 15 2021 0:38 utc | 34

Mr. David G Horsman

Chimpanzees are not in the State of Fall, men are.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 15 2021 1:22 utc | 35

Peeing in your pants at -40c gives you a nice warm feeling until cold hard reality sets in. I think cold hard reality just set in for Uncle Sam in the Black Sea, i.e. Putin's bathtub.

Russia calls US enemy for first time. Then this happens.

BREAKING: Russia warns US to keep warships away from Crimea 'for their own good'

UPDATE: USA cancels warships deployment to Black Sea

Much bravado from the chicken hawk arm chair warriors until the cold hard reality is shown to them.

Now one of the adults in the room needs to speak firmly to the Yanks about Afghanistan now.

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1382447865797218305

Posted by: Tom | Apr 15 2021 1:41 utc | 36

@David G Horsman | Apr 15 2021 0:33 utc | 31
Yes, territorialism, aggression, greed, corruption and competition must be reduced by moral and political education, wherein the US is very primitive, as it does not fit mass media marketing nor their sponsors' agenda.

Posted by: Sam F | Apr 15 2021 1:43 utc | 37

Breaking news:

1. Amerikastan will not get out of Afghanistan.

2. The Modi regime can't engender control Kashmir after 30 years. God luck getting it to try to take on the Taliban. (Spoiler alert: Modi won't try, because defeat in wars of choice damage der Führer's image, and because Modi has currently shifted away from military worship as the tool du jour.)

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 15 2021 1:52 utc | 38

Even, not engender.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 15 2021 1:52 utc | 39

And good not god.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 15 2021 1:53 utc | 40

chet380 #4

The socialist government of Afghanistan actually did more than care for the women and girls. It got them schooled, employed and somewhat liberated from the patriarchal serfdom.

The USA financed and armed Osama bin Laden to destroy that heresy PLUS slaughter the blooming womens professional class.

The USA can never rectify or atone for its evil murderous brutality toward women and girls in Afghanistan, Chile, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Haiti, Venezuela, Cuba, Chile...

Sanctions kill and maim women and girls and children and entire nations of innocents.

Ask Madelaine Albright or her protege Blinken. Richard Medhurst 6 minute video.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2021 2:46 utc | 41

Just one day ago you wrote about an American proposal for a peace conference and power sharing agreement that would have included India. You dismissed that as unrealistic, an assessment that Cohen certainly shares.

In the 1990's India had supported the anti-Taliban fighters. It is crystal clear what is going to happen when India doesn't get a seat at the table, too.

It's Pakistan and the Taliban who reject peace. What the US does is already of little significance at this point.

Posted by: m | Apr 15 2021 4:35 utc | 42

We must study carefully the Turkey - Pakistan - Iran relationship.

Which one is stronger, Turkey - Pakistan or Pakistan - Iran?

Pakistan is the key to all of the BRI, if somehow they break Pakistan from China fold, the BRI is sure to fall.

Posted by: Smith | Apr 15 2021 7:09 utc | 43

m #40

It seems clear that whatever the US does it will be detrimental to everyone's benefit.

If India sits at a table to determine matters in nations NOT ON its borders and related to Islamic lands, then Modi, being a Hindu nationalist and a hater of Pakistan, will be a divisive and destructive addition IMO.

This will compliment the USA position of being a lying, thieving, murderous scoundreal that is not capable of any agreement with anyone at any time.

Putin is about to meet with the turd who leads this pack of warmongering dogs. Good luck with that!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2021 7:11 utc | 44

Smith #41

There is also a branch (perhaps rudimentary right now) from Moscow, via Azerbaijan, Iran to the Indian Ocean in the south. That is why Russia moved swiftly to hunt Erdogan out of there in the armenia/azerbaijan skirmish. From now on I suspect Erdy will be closely watched more so than in the past.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2021 7:46 utc | 45

Smith @ 41

We must study carefully the Turkey - Pakistan - Iran relationship

"...And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." (Karl Rove)

Posted by: john | Apr 15 2021 8:45 utc | 46

The parasite always destroys the host. It's like a slow motion train wreck with more to come.

How can American voters continue to tolerate these destructive and ugly zionist zealots?

Posted by: Paul | Apr 15 2021 8:49 utc | 47

Eliot A. Cohen:"triste sire !"

Not the first arson by crazy warmonger. But I think, it's too late. Amerika is fed up.
For example

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/afghanistan-20-years-war-daniel-davis

In February 2007 Bush announced the mission of America’s war in Afghanistan had drifted to becoming a requirement to "defeat the terrorists and establish a stable, moderate and democratic state that respects the rights of its citizens, governs its territory effectively, and is a reliable ally in this war against extremists and terrorists."

Two years later, President Obama doubled-down on the nation-building efforts, ordering the military to "create the conditions for a transition; a civilian surge that reinforces positive action; and an effective partnership with Pakistan." President Trump initially followed the inertia of his predecessors, but in his last year did set the stage for his successor to complete the full withdrawal


A poll conducted by the Eurasia Group Foundation just before last year’s election found that almost two-thirds of both Trump and Biden backers supported the plan to withdraw from Afghanistan by May 1. In a separate poll last summer, upward of 75% of Americans were in favor of withdrawing U.S. troops from both Iraq and Afghanistan.


A new 09.11 is always possible but...
******
Last night, I didn’t see that post. Out of respect for a missing loved one, I was rerading his 2004 Post, Iraq. There are signs... I just found this one.
A bit like that species of spider, that forms a little air bubble around itself, so it can descend to the bottom of the pond to feed.

The project of lobotomizing Iraq into a lassiez-faire capitalist democracy, stands about the same chance as making lassiez-faire American capitalists into tribal Muslims.

Zero
Posted by: anna missed | Sep 13 2004 17:51 utc | 11

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 15 2021 9:29 utc | 48

Posted by: Bernard F. @46

I like the quote by anna missed. But one must consider the objectives of the Iraq war to say if it was a success or not. don't take any notice of the alleged objectives, that is just window dressing and propaganda..

The objective was to divide Iraq into 'a mosaic of feuding mini states' as outlined by Oded Yinon in his paper 'A strategy for Israel in the Nineteen eighties' and amplified by the neocon Project for a New American Century. Destroy Iraq as a 'threat' to poor little defenceless Israel. I like the 2003 paper by Stephen J Sniegoski 'War on Iraq: Conceived in Israel and his later book 'Transparent Cabal.' Here the real objectives are made clear.

That objective being achieved, therefore, the Iraq war was a success because it achieved it's objectives

Posted by: Paul | Apr 15 2021 10:37 utc | 49

The Soviet Union was invited into Afghanistan by the Afghan government to fight western sponsered terrorists. The position of women in Afghanistan was much better then than it is now. The west never has and never will do anything to improve their lot. The purpose of western presence in Afghanistan is to make trouble in central asia for Russia and China and to control the opium trade.

Posted by: Johny Conspiranoid | Apr 15 2021 10:46 utc | 50

So if you get booted out of Afg and can't make it fester that much, got to accompany the announcement of the defeat honorable withdrawal there with another attack on Russia, including with that trope about premia for American scalps in Afg...
https://www-nytimes-com/2021/04/14/us/politics/biden-russia-sanctions.html
I hope fx has a blast with that woozie of lies, distortions and untested assertions. That's certainly as much NYT as I can take in a day, but what a laugh.

Posted by: fx | Apr 15 2021 11:41 utc | 51

Good thing Donald 'bull in a China shop' Trump was voted out so that Joe 'America is back Jack' Biden could be the mature statesman... To recap the past few weeks:

-'Putin is a killer..'
-Push Ukraine into moving troops to contact line and send US warships to the Black Sea, then accuse Russia of 'provocation' when they respond..
-Recall the warships..
-Call Putin and invite him to a Summit and then....
-Announce new sanctions on Russia the very next day!

Has anyone ever seen a more retarded foreign policy and ham-fisted 'diplomacy'? I never thought i would say this, but i don't think even Trump could have been this dumb, even Pompeo's ideological myopia would not deliver such clumsiness, at least he knew how to be an a$$hole with consistency! This looks like groupthink 'Bay of lipstick on a Pig' schizophrenic nonsense with a twist of Dr Strangeglove.

https://www.rt.com/russia/521108-putin-wont-meet-biden-in/

To no one's surprise, Putin has declined the Summit invitation.

Perhaps it was 3D checkers and their plan all along.. At this point, it's anyone's guess what the US strategy is.

Do they even have a strategy, other than sh1tting on everyone else's front door, setting it on fire and ringing the doorbell?

Posted by: Et Tu | Apr 15 2021 12:24 utc | 52

Direct American intervention in Afghanistan began much earlier, around 1973. The Soviet Invasion was a reaction to this destabilization on their borders.

We've extended this policy 50 years into the future into Xinjiang.

Posted by: P Walker | Apr 15 2021 12:27 utc | 53

Posted by: Et Tu | Apr 15 2021 12:24 utc | 52

From the outside, US' foreign policy looks like watching two cats fight in a bag. And you are right, this is, if anything, worse than Trump. I am wondering how long this will be allowed to go on.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 15 2021 12:54 utc | 54

Do they even have a strategy ?

The US used to only have Paranoia, now they have bouts of Biden-Schizophrenia to contend with as well.

"Both, or many, hands make light work" - should read "many hands make lights work" as they switch them on, then off, then on again....again and again...

(Schizophrenia is a split personality, but the question now is; will having many diametrically opposed switcheroos at once, lead to a bit of illumination in the dark recesses of US policy, or just blow the fuses ?)

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 15 2021 13:33 utc | 55

I am an interested observer of the events in Afghanistan, as well as this and other dicussions and views about those events, but can't pretent to know what is going on. I just want o share a couple impressions and gut feelings:
- I don't think that the pullout, if it happens, means that the US and its faithful servants will actually leave; the form of presence and intervention will change
- It seems that the decision to announce the pullout (similar was announced from Iraq) is a ploy; a move directed at causing future harm to China and Russia. How, can someone answer?
- The announcement of the pullout is similar to the sudden invitation for Biden-Putin meeting.
1. It's conspicuous that all of a sudden the US wants 'stable and predictable' relations, a desire always expressed by the Russian side and ignored by the US, until the laguage was adopted a few days ago.
2. The invitation comes after ('the killer') Putin's invitation for a public conversation with Biden was turned down
3. The invitation comes right before new sanctions on Russia are announced and a unified US-German call to Russia to pull back its troops from the Ukranian border.
- It all appears as a major publicity offensive to project the US as benevolent and full of good will, but ulterior motives are lurking on the back side of this new Uncle Sam poster.
Very bad things are afoot underneath. Much deeper analysis is needed to penetrate this surface.


Posted by: JB | Apr 15 2021 13:41 utc | 56

I've said it numerous times, and doubtless many think that I am grossly exaggerating the problem, but in fact I am politely understating it:

America has become intensely delusional.

I am not talking about a little bit of innocent self-aggrandizement. We're talking off-the-rails complete disconnect from readily visible objective reality here. America has always been somewhat fantasy-based but since 2016 the country has totally slipped its anchor with the real world and sailed off into a cartoon land where the laws of physics don't even apply.

Many Americans will say "Sure, those 'Joe-the-Plumber' Trumpists are all delusional," and quite a few are. The true nightmare starts when you realize that those delusional Joe-the-Plumbers are the most solidly grounded in America's population. The higher you go in responsibility levels of those managing and administering the economy and government in America the more delusional the individuals are and the thicker their anti-reality groupthink armor becomes. While Trump perfectly represented American bellicosity, Biden, who doubtless doesn't even know what day of the week it is, perfectly represents American relationship with reality.

So America orders the ukropians into a suicide charge then calls them back; sends warships into the Black Sea and then recalls them; offers Russia an olive branch and then hits them with the sanction stick... America cannot see its own schizophrenia here. America's leadership thinks they are clever and are outwitting everyone else in the world with their spastic twitching. America's current leaders are certain that the Russians will fold when push comes to shove. After all, they folded back in 1991 from Reagan pushing them, didn't they? The empire's strategists are certain that the Russians will fold again.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 15 2021 13:50 utc | 57

@William Gruff | Apr 15 2021 13:50 utc | 57,

Very well said. Thank you.

If I may, just add one minor note, one significant difference between now and 1991 is that the Russian leader now is Putin, not Gorbachev. If amerikkka still lives in the past and thinks it is similar to 1990s, they are making a huge mistake.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 15 2021 14:26 utc | 58

Et tu @52

Do they even have a strategy, other than sh1tting on everyone else's front door, setting it on fire and ringing the doorbell?

Nailed it in one succinct stanza......

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein | Apr 15 2021 15:27 utc | 59

Mr. erik What has been lost, according to (Navy Vice-Admiral Harward), was caused by US Foreign policies that enraged Muslims (not his words, but my editorialization).

USA has paid a very very very heavy price ..She is now the enemy of both the Religion of Islam and the Civilization of Islam. ..they have also made China and Russia their enemies at the popular level. by: Fyi @ 30 and Mr. karlof1

You be wrong about monetary gains by CIA. Well-connected private businesses gained the most as well as very many of the elements of Afghan government (established by Iran and hijacked by America). by: Fyi @ 32

I think cold hard reality just set in for Uncle Sam in the Black Sea, i.e. Putin's bathtub.
Russia calls US enemy for first time. Then this happens.
BREAKING: Russia warns US to keep warships away from Crimea 'for their own good'
UPDATE: USA cancels warships deployment to Black Sea
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1382447865797218305 by: Tom @ 36 <=thanks for that info.

Very bad things are afoot underneath[announcement to pull out] Much deeper analysis is needed to penetrate this surface. by: JB @ 56 <=agreed this ain't no two-bit Covid-19 scam, a few days ago China announced a digital cybersystem equating its internal currency to digital coinage and capable to circumvent SWIFT, and nearly at the same time starts selling its bonds in competition with the USA Treasury, the Yemeni successfully attack ARAMCO and other military installations in Saudi Arabia. Last week (a ship, and centrifuge operation in Iran were hit, Iraq milita tell Iraq government no go on allowing UsA to stay) something is up or has already happened. Trump removed by hidden forces. Putin's says the USA is "enemy" <=strong indicator.. televised traffic stop-victims killed by cops and random mad-person shootings all over America, new gun acts, policy changes at USA and UK. Julian Assange silence-everyone prosecution comes into view, all seem to be pieces to the same puzzle.

The privately owned corporations, their Oligarch owners and wall street are stressed ..the governed people world over have discovered job of government is to prosecute the needs, wants and wars ordered by the private corporate and Oligarch wealth. The enemy of humanity has never been the nation state governments - nor the people these governments govern. Governed people are discovering governments front for the hidden, private interest that the nation states were, in the first placed, formed to promote and protect.

Mr. Gruff at 57 says.. America has become intensely delusional. <=Americans do not know what you are talking about? The Americans have been disconnected from the USA by secrecy, misleading and malicious private reporting of circumstances, false flag ops, and narrative controlled news . ..
About the only place Americans can find out about the USA is MoA

Posted by: snake | Apr 15 2021 15:52 utc | 60

William Gruff | Apr 15 2021 13:50 utc | 57

I think that is a mis-reading. I think the US is desperate to salvage the façade, the managed narrative that is so badly worn and threadbare that even school children can see through it. What you see as insane delusion I interpret as desperate malfeasance and mendacity. What's more, the leadership in the contending power centers see the the US claim of moral high ground slipping away, and this as much as pragmatic military assessment, is what is making today look and feel different than yesterday.

Another way to put it is this: those that continue to wield power here continue on with the program of believing that all or most of their subjects are or can be completely deluded. Their success rate, though certainly not nil, has never been as smashingly successful as they believed. What has been successful is the total disenfranchisement of agency and action of the 99%. You might argue that the (accomplished) delusion is the disenfranchisement. Could be; if 67% of the 99% rebelled, the US military would be deployed here, patrolling the skies and the streets. The only noticeable change would be domestic.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Apr 15 2021 15:55 utc | 61

Mr. Emmanuel Goldstein

"World Domination" or "World Hegemon" is unreachable, she came close to that during 1950s but no more.

USA has no strategy because she does not know what she wants from the world (excepting the desire for the continued occupation of Palestine.)

Posted by: fyi | Apr 15 2021 16:11 utc | 62

From the Saker:

"Bad news all around today. The US has just slammed provocative sanctions against Russia even though the US ambassador to Moscow was summoned to the Foreign Ministry and clearly told that if the US imposes more sanctions there will be no meeting between Putin and Biden.

Then there is this: the US has informed the Turkish authorities that they will not send two USN ships into the Black Sea. This is politically a good sign, but in military terms, this is what the US should be doing if they were preparing for war. Why? Because any USN ship in the Black Sea at the moment of the initiation of a conflict would be sunk withing minutes: not only do the Russians have formidable missiles – Bal and Bastion – they had SIX advanced diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 class ready to “greet” them. Keep in mind that engaging submarines without air cover is another form of collective suicide.

So, the phone call was a deception and the US is still going down the road towards war with Russia.

In my professional opinion, what I see is a joint preparation by the Ukronazis and the USA (along with the UK and Poland) to attack the Donbass and force a conflict upon Russia."

"Biden has just declared a national emergency in the USA in response to the Russian threat. He will make a special address to the nation tonight."

The latest US moves against Russia (OPEN THREAD #11) UPDATED!!!
http://thesaker.is/the-latest-us-moves-against-russia-open-thread-11/

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 15 2021 17:31 utc | 63

When I hear the word evil being thrown around, I wonder if I should picture a morning cartoon character or the plot device in a Steven King novel. In any case, it is indicative of a lack of effort and imagination from the author. Hey, why don't we make the villain's sole motivation for his actions an unexplained proclivity for sheer nastiness.

The popularity of the term also speaks volume of the audience and explains why the marketers are eager to exploit the concept. Yes, let me look at the world through the lens of good and evil so as to reinforce my perception of how righteous I am in having surrendered all involvement and interest in what my country does in my name.

In my mind, the concept of evil is the result of an industrial marketing choice. It is literature and entertainment industry's equivalent of sugar and fat. An awsome tasting, economical substitute for noble ingredients. But it is also used in narrative building with the deliberate intent to manipulate. People who believe in the devil tend to be easy consumers for a whole basket treats.

It is amazing that people who are confronted with regular accounts of crimes - terrible crimes and murders, committed for tiny sums, cannot make the connection and extend that logic when figures in the trillions are involved.

Posted by: robin | Apr 15 2021 19:12 utc | 64

How is it that the US likes to push Federalism for countries it wants to destroy but doesn't seriously consider raising it in negotiations in others?

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Apr 15 2021 22:39 utc | 65

Posted by: robin | Apr 15 2021 19:12 utc | 64

When I hear the word evil being thrown around, I wonder if I should picture a morning cartoon character or the plot device in a Steven King novel. In any case, it is indicative of a lack of effort and imagination from the author. Hey, why don't we make the villain's sole motivation for his actions an unexplained proclivity for sheer nastiness.

"It is worth reminding ourselves that the life of a democracy may also depend on the good and honorable use of language and not on the scurvy manipulation of such words as "evil" and by intellectual striplings of the caliber of our president." -- Norman Mailer

That would be G. W. Bush. The thing about evil is it's cheap and easy. Being good is work.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 16 2021 1:39 utc | 66

If you are interested in the people that "rule you" as some posters have referred to the neo-con nitwits that rule you.

You will find that they are the remnants of a turkish nomadic tribe from a country that no longer exists.

And if you are interested in digging a bit deeper into it then DuckDuckGo:"where is khazaria?"

These are your masters.

Read it and weep.

Posted by: robert | Apr 16 2021 5:52 utc | 67

Biden can claim to bring the troops home.
Sure.
All that means is there will be CIA and pentagram contractors there.
It’s the same thing that Trump was trying to do.

Posted by: Cadencecalls | Apr 17 2021 19:59 utc | 68

That objective being achieved, therefore, the Iraq war was a success because it achieved it's objectives

Posted by: Paul | Apr 15 2021 10:37 utc | 49


As you say
"The objective was to divide Iraq into 'a mosaic of feuding mini States' "

Objective not achieved. Bremer can't even succeed in erasing Takbir [ٱللَّٰهُ أَكْبَرُ
"Allah akbar"] from flag 🇮🇶


Irak has been impaired. Irak was nearly destroyed in 2015, but... still alive, tighten the ties with Syria and Iran.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 17 2021 20:48 utc | 69

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