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April 23, 2021

Covid Say - What Monroe Doctrine? What Commonwealth? - by Debs is Dead

by Debs is dead
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Covid Say - What Monroe doctrine? What Commonwealth?

The Monroe Doctrine first established in 1823 really continues until today, ostensibly created to "prevent European Imperialism throughout the Americas", the real primary purpose of James Monroe's new foreign policy was aimed at ensuring that only America could colonise the rest of the two continents.

That policy continued through the 20th century - after all what was the 'Cuban missile crisis' about? The Monroe Doctrine that's what, America has consistently refused to allow any administration anywhere in North or South America that they believe may favour a closer relationship with a nation other than America.

This is why Venezuela, Peru, Nicaragua & Brazil for example have fallen foul of the American blob whenever they appear to reject America as their closest 'big brother'.

Mexico is copping it big time at the moment, simply because there is currently a slightly left of center administration in Mexico, an administration which sometimes questions when America instructs it how to behave.

Yet there is a completely unashamed lack of reciprocity between America and the other nations of the Americas. Even Brazil, currently suffering under the jackboot of the Bolsonaro mob who appear to exist solely to do as Washington DC instructs, but which is suffering an unimaginable number of Covid-19 deaths each day, is ignored by America. The American vaccination program is only for Americans - close friends and neighbours can jam it up their arses as far as America believes "we're all right Jack - bugger you!" has been the response of America to the people of South & Central America.

England is equally screwed up. Queen Betty and the rest of the royal bludgers have always been big on promoting joints such as Pakistan, India, Nigeria & South Africa for example; as being the closest friends England has, nothing to do with the oil, minerals, cheap labour and burgeoning markets, of course, /snark that is why the Commonwealth matters to England with Queen Brenda at the front, always shouts, yet even as England is getting close to total vaccination, What has England done?

Not only has it hoarded all available vaccines for itself, now it has decided to ban all arrivals from those Commonwealth countries whose inability to secure vaccines have left 'em vulnerable.

I jacked up a few weeks ago when Aotearoa temporarily blocked arrivals from nations where those arrivals were averaging close to 50% Covid positive. Why? because many of those who were coming to Aotearoa were Kiwi citizens - maybe they had been born in Pakistan or India, but they lived and worked here before going back to the villages they had been born in to celebrate a wedding or funeral.

Whack em in quarantine for two weeks & then they can get back into kiwidom just like everyone else coming back.

The government who had implemented a successful Covid elimination program refused to accept the risk of Covid seeping out of hotel quarantine.

I disagree on human rights grounds but at least since Aotearoa is Covid free, I get what they reckon they are trying to achieve,

Covid is rampant in America & England, yet particularly in England, politicians have 'blacklisted' a mob of nations such as Pakistan & India, preventing even Englander citizens from returning to their homes. WTF? Englanders have consistently failed to keep Covid to a minimum and now it seems that both they & America are warping the process to restrict the arrivals of brown people citizens or not?

How low can you go, eh?

Posted by b on April 23, 2021 at 13:25 UTC | Permalink


Even Brazil, currently suffering under the jackboot of the Bolsonaro mob who appear to exist solely to do as Washington DC instructs, but which is suffering an unimaginable number of Covid-19 deaths each day, is ignored by America.

Where do I find evidence that these "unimaginable number of Covid-19 deaths each day" actually exist?

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 23 2021 14:10 utc | 1

Even among the First World countries Big Pharma is fighting itself:

Norway: Risk of Dying From AstraZeneca Higher Than of COVID-19

I don't doubt this is true. But that's never stopped Big Pharma from getting their drugs approved by local governments. This is a mix of crappy product with commercial warfare.

Posted by: vk | Apr 23 2021 14:30 utc | 2

Just noticed two facts which may or may not be related.
On 16 Jan 2021 Govt of India started covid19 vaccination effort by targeting front line workers, doctors and aged people over 60 years and people over 45 with comorbidities.
By end Feb 2021 covid cases started raising from 15000 per day to 332730 cases per day in continuous unbroken raise.

Posted by: Rao | Apr 23 2021 14:32 utc | 3

Of course they act like this, 'cause they are republics ruled by money and think thay are racially superior -- as opposed to those states that send vaccenes almost for free to other needy nations: Cuba, China and (in part) Russia.

It bugs me how even well-informed critics of North Atlanticist regimes and their foreign policies write and talk of them as "western demoracies". The "Founding Fathers" of the USA feared nothing more than 'democracy' -- by which they thought of ancient Athens, or the ancient republic of San Marino or some Swiss Cantons. What they wanted was a republic in the mold of Ancient Rome, Venice, or like the Netherlands before Wilhelm of Orange, i.e. roled by rich men's clubs and throuh inherited wealth, be that from land ownership, slave-holding or from commercial gains and prate privatering -- plus of course exploiting colonies and controlled marketing opium and its derivats (plus cocaine).

None of the present-day Atlanticist nations call themselves "demomracies" in their name or constitutions. Only Greece does -- and only because they don't have the romance word "republic" in their language.

In observation of these linguistic and political facts, the governments of Central Europe east of NATO: China, Viet-Nâm and Chosôn ("North Korea") all called themselves "people's republics" -- as opposed the the states further west that were ruled by the elected representatives of Capital and Big Banking.

Posted by: Tollef Ås اس طلف | Apr 23 2021 14:33 utc | 4

Well, it is a very good thing to point out once again the central role of tourism and business travel in spreading diseases around. It's crowded bars and restaurants locally and crowded ships and aircraft globally. These things play a big role in "climate change" too, which is only one of the many kinds of pollution we are spreading about.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 23 2021 14:45 utc | 5

could be, as also with testing in Brazil
but since Indians have been flying to the UK and back, as well as to other places, they may also have imported different strains.
No doubt all these governements know the risk of population, but they did not enforce strict quarantine until... now.
France announces a "strict" quarantine for red zones... in which people can go out every day from 10 to 12 PM!
Depopulation? Getting rid of the elderly and the poor. The markets seem to be strongly in favour for the war 3.0.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 23 2021 15:06 utc | 6

Yes, if per the Monroe Doctrine, that the western hemisphere is indisputably the US domain, then the US should be banned for malfeasance. Another media blackout are the stories of negotiations to buy the vaccines. When they cough up the Benjamins, they'll get the shots. Can't pay? - Sorry.

Something else is in the mix though in this ongoing saga; seems the percentage of USA'ns wanting and getting the shot wasn't as large as hoped, and shot clinics are searching around for arms to stick. Uh-oh. Travel bans may be of little consequence here.

disambiguation: have had both my shots, as has my wife, my live-in mother-in-law (no need to send sympathy cards,) my two sons and their spouses, my young carpenter/helper/apprentice, my wife's stepmother,...

Posted by: vinnieoh | Apr 23 2021 15:20 utc | 7

Ultimately, it is Germany who should answer about not protecting/making public the BioNTech vaccine.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 23 2021 15:33 utc | 8

The countries having a bad time with covid are America and it’s vassals. USUK medicine has massively failed. Failed so badly no one should ever listen to their BS ever again. Monroe Doctrine countries don’t need American vaccines, they need to cut ties to Washington. Same for Commonwealth countries. First cut the mental ties.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 23 2021 15:41 utc | 9

Good to se mention of the Commonwealth Of Nations.

So what is the Commonwealth Of Nations [from data abt 7 years old]...

C Of N was started by Britain abt 1926.
The island nation of Great Britain eventually created a loose federation of 53 "independent" countries, calling itself the Commonwealth of Nations.

Consider just the scale regarding Land + Population. Compare the European Union to C Of N:

Land mass EU:--------1,670,000 Sq Miles (abt 28 countries)
Land Mass C of N:-- 11,567,000 Sq Miles (abt 53 countries)
Population EU::-------510,000,000
Population C of N:--2,328,000,000

The head of the Commonwealth is Queen Elizabeth II and she is also the Head Of State of 16 of the members.

Great Britain has excelled at long-range planning since late 1500s.
That planning includes vital world surveys of all resources, from the Hakluyt compendia [Do not confuse the 1500s Hakluyts with a the modern Hakluyt & Co started-up abt 20 years ago.]
There is also Hakluyt Society founded 1846 that archives etc. in the tradition of the 2 Richard Hakluyts that received and compiled and distributed the data starting late 1590s and allegedly ongoing to present time. [Why would they stop?]

Of course, there are many angles to view the C. of N. E.g., just how independent is a "former" English colony that became an "independent" nation?... IIRC, the treaties often included stipulation that matters of "Foreign Policy" and "Defense" would remain under control by England and the English Crown.

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 23 2021 15:44 utc | 10

@ Debsisdead Re: "after all what was the 'Cuban missile crisis' about? The Monroe Doctrine that's what"

A historically ignorant statement like that cannot go unanswered. The so called 'Cuban missile crisis' should really be called the 'Turkish missile crisis' because the deployment of missiles in Cuba by the USSR was a direct response to the US deployment of nuclear missiles in Turkey. The crisis was resolved when both parties agreed to remove their missiles. It seems some people are prepared to misrepresent anything in order to make it fit their chosen narrative.

Also Re: "Englanders have consistently failed to keep Covid to a minimum and now it seems that both they & America are warping the process to restrict the arrivals of brown people citizens or not?"

Yes, lets make this a race issue, after all why waste an opportunity to collect some Wokemon points.

@b I really don't understand why you consider this Joker's output to be worth reprinting.

Posted by: MarkU | Apr 23 2021 16:18 utc | 11

It's no wonder there's "hesitancy" among the public about vaccination. Sputnik News has a revealing article on Pfizer's push to compete while downplaying the safety of their experimental treatment --

Note one of the qualifiers in the death stats: "(3) No clear link between vaccinations and deaths has been found to date" -- it appears these public health agencies have set a high bar for causation in order to obfuscate the truth.

Posted by: norecovery | Apr 23 2021 16:19 utc | 12

Another lie used by the Western governements is the claim about the need for 'herd immunity' via vaccination and the aim of 70% of a population.
In fact, giving the vaccine to the +70 and the people who consider themselves at risk and want to be vaccinated is enough to reduce the mortality drastically.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 23 2021 16:40 utc | 13

@ b... i tend to agree with @ 11 marku here.. debs seems to want to boil everything down to racism... maybe i am wrong and he is right, but i don't see it that way here, or at least not in the fullest way as debs suggests... canada has banned flights from india and pakistan as of yesterday... they banned flights from the uk too back when that variant had popped up close to christmas.. i am happy to say this system we are presently living in is unsustainable too and can't go on like this indefinitely..

@ 5 bemildred... yes and you can even throw in the concept of immigration too... maybe we would be better not trying to be this global society, and first figure out how to make it a compassionate world where money doesn't trump everything.. until that time, i suspect we will be getting more of the same...

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2021 16:42 utc | 14
Sucharit Bhakdi on blood clots

Posted by: Mina | Apr 23 2021 16:53 utc | 15

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2021 16:42 utc | 14

That is one thing about the internet, you can have a global society without too much flying back and forth. I travelled a lot in the past, so I'm nobody to lecture about it, and I think it is "broadening" to get out and meet people who don't think or live like you do. Commercial tourism on the other hand, high status entertainment for the leisure class, I think is a pestilence.

And I have to agree with you, I don't see many signs that the human race is "agreement capable" either, so more of the same until then.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 23 2021 16:56 utc | 16

Mina @ 13

When smallpox was extincted the WHO goal was 80% vaccination. Not achieved anywhere. Smallpox is gone.

The ‘vaccine’ does not make anyone immune. It creates antibodies that circulate in bloodstream. It is an airborne respiratory disease. Inside surface of lungs is principal locus of infection. There is no blood on inner surface of lung and thus no antibodies. The blood is close enough to the lung surface for exchange of O2 and CO2, the larger antibody molecule remains in the capillary. The epithelial cells lining the lung become infected with no resistance from any ‘vaccine’ related antibody. If the antibody is useful it will be much later in course of disease.

This is why vaccines for airborne diseases have always been difficult, unreliable. Suddenly, under political pressure, all sorts of non-possible things are claimed. Or inferred and suggested.

We have no idea how far along herd immunity might be. No one is looking. Anyone who wants to investigate herd immunity is a political enemy. The sort of testing that would be required Is possible, can be done, has been done, is relatively slow and difficult. Would need big grants from political bodies. When this all started survivors of SARS-COVID One (from 2003-2005) were asked to give blood. When that blood was exposed to samples of SARS-COVID2 t-cells remembered just what to do, immediately identified the 2 virus as a familiar antigen and ripped it apart. After fifteen years the t-cells still knew what to do. The One virus is only 80% similar to the 2 virus. Herd immunity will happen. Nothing is being done that will make that come any sooner.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 23 2021 18:11 utc | 17

I have read enough articles about the side effects of these "vaccines" to think that the countries denied the opportunity to be injected should almost be thanking their lucky stars. What is even more remiss, IMO, is that no one anywhere is being apprised of the NEEd for adequate Vit. D levels to combat the virus, nor of at least 2 of the relatively cheap and available therapeutics that can be given in a protocol including other medications/vitamins (hydroxchloroquine and ivermectin).

Posted by: lizzie dw | Apr 23 2021 18:53 utc | 18

norecovery @ 12

Thanks for the link - interesting.

Posted by: spudski | Apr 23 2021 19:01 utc | 19

The Ugly Truth About The Covid-19 Lockdowns:

Posted by: john swinburne | Apr 23 2021 19:12 utc | 20

giving the vaccine to the +70 and the people who consider themselves at risk and want to be vaccinated is enough to reduce the mortality drastically.

It would be great if reduction of mortality rather than the elimination of viral transmission were what we were after. And the extinction of the SARS-Cov-2 virus would be a blessing, something we should work for.

With regards to "herd immunity," vaccination will accomplish that with far fewer casualties than returning to commercial capitalist normality and hoping for the best. Countries with prudent and responsible governments, unfortunately almost exclusively countries controlled by Marxist-Leninist single party regimes, will impose mandatory vaccinations and return to normal far faster than governments which throw up their hands and adopt the laissez-faire policies always clamored for by the petty bourgeoisie.

Posted by: HTRAIA | Apr 23 2021 19:20 utc | 21

Speaking of Covid, Lavrov was in India, what 2-3 weeks ago and was revealed that India is continuing the negotiations for acquiring Russia's S-400 system and now, India is suffering the biggest upstuck of Covid infections, with 300,000+ infections daily and their hospitals overwhelmed. But it's gotto be one of them coincidences, yeah, of course, thats the ticket.

Posted by: Zapekk | Apr 23 2021 19:59 utc | 22


I jacked up a few weeks ago when Aotearoa temporarily blocked arrivals from nations where those arrivals were averaging close to 50% Covid positive. Why? because many of those who were coming to Aotearoa were Kiwi citizens - maybe they had been born in Pakistan or India, but they lived and worked here before going back to the villages they had been born in to celebrate a wedding or funeral

In other words, medical tyranny put the fear of covid in you, too...even if you live out in the middle of the southern ocean on a healthy island, with plenty of sunshine and some of the cleanest air on the planet, a country for whom covid was never much of a problem anyway, I mean, with a total death count of 26 it couldn't have been, in a country where there are typically 500 deaths annually from the flu.

Posted by: john | Apr 23 2021 20:08 utc | 23

As a Latin-American born and living in Brasil, I don't understand when you say America.
For us America is a continent spanning from Canada to Chile (Tierra del Fuego island).
There are 35 autonomous countries in America, there are 35 different American flags.
Latin America has about 650 million people that doesn't call the United States as America.
For us this country is called "Estados Unidos", never America.
We Latin-Americans are as Americans as those citizens that were born in Canada and the US.
We consider a demonstration of ARROGANCE when a single country calls itself the name of the whole continent that has around 1 billion people living in it.

Posted by: Tiago | Apr 23 2021 20:12 utc | 24

As far as the 'commonwealth' thing, there was a curious incident in 1975, when British viceroy simply dismissed the elected Australian PM and the parliament:

And they say the Empire is no more, and the Queen is just a figurehead...

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 23 2021 20:38 utc | 25

Even Brazil … which is suffering an unimaginable number of Covid-19 deaths each day …

True. If you look at a chart of daily confirmed deaths broken up by country (give it some time to load), Brazil currently accounts for 23%, while its population is only 2.7% of the world population.

However, if you look at total confirmed deaths so far as percentage of countries’ populations, Brazil is only 15th with 0.177% of its population having been confirmed to die of COVID-19, while the first place belongs to Czechia with 0.266%. That must be one of the reasons for the low support of government parties and, as a consequence, their desperate attempts to distract the population with the “Russian threat” before coming elections in October.

Posted by: S | Apr 23 2021 20:46 utc | 26

* In the above comment, by “confirmed deaths” I mean “confirmed deaths from COVID-19.”

Posted by: S | Apr 23 2021 20:49 utc | 27

What is not a coincidence is that India has had a number of religious festivals with -excusez du peu!- 1 Mo ppl and more. Not to mention the daily BJP (Modi's party) political meetings.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 23 2021 20:51 utc | 28

Thank you Debsisdead, At the very least both new Zealand and the bunya nut republic could produce Sputnik V or Sinovac for the worlds citizens and radically increase their own citizen cover. Unlikely.

How low can the englanders go you ask? The englanders sank the Belgrano. Now that was low.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 23 2021 20:55 utc | 29

@25 Mao

Hmm wow. Never knew, interesting modern history!

Posted by: ptb | Apr 23 2021 20:56 utc | 30

@25 Mao

Get it right: John Kerr was not a 'British Viceroy'. If you're going to use that example call on something better than wikipedia or at least read the article properly. Or ask an Australian, there are plenty here. But don't misrepresent or oversimplify that event. The '75 dismissal of Whitlam may very well have had some MI6 involvement but the pressure was coming almost entirely from the US. The release of Kerr's correspondence with the Crown (which was expected to reveal ERII's complicity) in fact disclosed that the UK kept itself at arm's length from this affair (plausible deniability). On the other hand it is known Kerr was using the DSD to receive instructions from the US consulate (i.e., CIA). It was the threat to dismantle Pine Gap that tipped the balance. Whitlam was our Allende.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 23 2021 21:41 utc | 31

Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 23 2021 20:38 utc | 25

...British viceroy simply dismissed the elected Australian PM and the parliament:...

Such a tell! Must be that human minds can be stimulated, by certain practitioners, to not see the obvious...No less! [see "excusez du peu" by Mina at post 28].

By brilliant analysis and demonstrated experience since the late 1500's, the England's deep state practices their arts of dominion...and not unrivaled; just the best. From whom did the learn such sublime and esoteric technology?

It's the stuff of science fiction come home to reality. It can be confronted, but woe any who attempt to handle it...brave souls they are whose Weapons Of Mass Instruction give us education, not to be confused with the fraud that is schooling.

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 23 2021 21:44 utc | 32

Patroklos | Apr 23 2021 21:41 utc | 31

... The release of Kerr's correspondence with the Crown ...

Clever, that!

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 23 2021 21:54 utc | 33

Posted by: MarkU | Apr 23 2021 16:18 utc | 11

The Cuban Missile Crisis was absolutely about the Monroe Doctrine. It was invoked directly, by name.

To what extent was the Monroe Doctrine invoked during the CMC?

Posted by: K_C_ | Apr 23 2021 22:29 utc | 34

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 23 2021 14:10 utc | 1

I suppose one could quibble about the term "unimaginable" but the situation in Brazil is in fact rapidly deteriorating due to the virus infecting (and killing) the young and ostensibly healthy where before it was only the old and/or infirm.

Brazil ain't doin' too well with COVID-19

Posted by: K_C_ | Apr 23 2021 22:35 utc | 35

Mao Cheng Ji @25
chu teh '30
New Zealand has a Governor General appointed by the Monarch of UK, as Australia did in 1975.
Let's watch out for a new exercise of Royal power throgh the Governor Genearal now that New Zealand PM and Parliament have dared to challenge Uncle Sam's control of fiveyes.
Or Jacinda and her cabinet may be novichocked instead?

Posted by: Casperger | Apr 23 2021 22:36 utc | 36

oops: chu teh @32

Posted by: casperger | Apr 23 2021 22:37 utc | 37

@Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 23 2021 14:10 utc | 1

Where do I find evidence that these "unimaginable number of Covid-19 deaths each day" actually exist?

Probably from the same place -- reality -- that Hans Kristian Gaarder found. Gaarder was a notorious Norwegian Covid denier, and he is now dead from Covid-19.

Posted by: Cyril | Apr 23 2021 23:09 utc | 38

to tiago - Yes! the "americas" are EEUU plus 34 other independent (more or less) countries. The one of which I have most first hand info is chile - which bought right into the eeuu propaganda big time. Now nearly 70% have been "vaccinated" with a mix of pfitzer or sinovac - but the number of "cases" is in fact higher than it ever was last year and over 90% of the country is in complete lockdown, by which I mean that one does not go out with out written permission from the carabineros. As nearly as I can tell, there is no official use of any treatment, although, anecdotally, some people are aware of the efficacy of vita D. My question is: what is Really happening? People's lives and livlihoods are being destroyed as they try to conform to a lockdown mandate which seems to only make things worse.

I am told that in the eeuu, sick people are being told there is nothing that can be done until they need to be hospitalized and put on ventilators. Apparently the eeuu has just rolled out a Law which states that any MD who recommends "natural" rememdies, ie vita D, zinc, vita C, will be subject to a $10,000 fine. In other words = go home, shut up, and call us when you're ready to die.

to oldhippie: We must be reading some of the same papers. I have my links lesson scheduled for sunday, so I won't even try right now - but I urge you - everyone - to search for:
Dr. Mike Yeardon, a former Pfitzer MD/research honcho. His most recent interview was on 9 April 2021. You can find it on And: Dr. Peter McCullough, from Texas. As he says, he is the most published researcher = ever = in his field which is cardiology and kidney disease. He gave a talk to the Texas legislature regarding treatment - and the absolute, appalling lack thereof, in eeuu. As you all may know, Texas did away with the mask requirement and has actually seen a reduction in the number of cases. Vita D anyone? Also, I hear, anecdotally, the Houston hospitals are now treating people when they first fall ill, as a result, one hopes, of Dr. McCullough's talk. I wonder if Dr. McCullough will be fined - for saving lives.

Finally, I urge you to search for Dr. Ryan Cole, an MD and pathologist in Idaho. He also gave a talk to the state legislature concerning immunology and treatment. Very highly recommended. He advocates vita D, ivermectin, and especially early treatment of at risk people, ie. those with obeisity, diabetes, and high blood pressure. According to Dr. Cole, a large proportion of the covid deaths are in that high risk group.

A point all these MDs make, is that NONE of the people in charge, from Fauci on down, have ever (EVER) treated a patient. They have no hands on experience and are just mumbling what they've been paid to mumble.

To finish this longish post - back to you oldhippie, Dr. Yeardon emphatically makes the point you made, if you have immunity to Sars-covid 2003 you have immunity to sars-covid19. Dr. Yeardon explains the amount of difference between the Sars-covid 2003 and the sars-covid19 - plus the difference between the so called british varient (it is less than 1/2%) A healthy immune system would easily deal with the varient. Dr. Lucy S. Tomkin made the same point - in 2010! at a talk in Stanford University. But, the big Pharmas are currently working on a totally unnecessay "top-up" for the brit variation. As Dr. Yeardon says, what's the real point?

All these talks can be found on Dr. Cole has been republished on the Duran. I will learn to link. Meanwhile, duckduckgo is your friend.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Apr 23 2021 23:11 utc | 39

@ Mina | Apr 23 2021 15:06 utc | 6

Crazy lockdown is not quarantine.
Crazy lockdown increase badly diseases.
Covid-19 and a lot more...

Physical and mental

*must have a look at Laborit, all very well documented since 1956

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 23 2021 23:23 utc | 40

@ K_C_ | Apr 23 2021 22:29 utc | 34.. i think marku is highlighting the difference with naming and labeling it 'cuban missile crisis' as opposed to 'turkey missile crisis' which would shed a very different light on the story... it is much the same with 'russia amassing troops on ukraine border' while leaving out 'ukraine amassing troops on donbass' and etc... how the words frame the viewpoint frame is important and the context often forgotten over time...

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2021 23:31 utc | 41

Excellent and insightful comment, Debs is Dead; thank you..
And thanks B for reposting it.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Apr 23 2021 23:32 utc | 42

15 months later, we are to believe that Brazil is a shit show, from the same MSM that tells us that Biden is president.

Posted by: Mann Friedman | Apr 23 2021 23:13 utc | 41

C'est la Vérité

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 0:43 utc | 43

@Miss Lacy | Apr 23 2021 23:11 utc | 40

As nearly as I can tell, there is no official use of any treatment, although, anecdotally, some people are aware of the efficacy of vita D. My question is: what is Really happening? People's lives and livlihoods are being destroyed as they try to conform to a lockdown mandate which seems to only make things worse.
C'est la Vérité

Nightshift, will try to write about France in a couple of hours

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 0:53 utc | 44

Thankyou for putting it right.
And may I correct Casberger at 36, who wrote
" New Zealand has a Governor Gereral appointed by the U.K. Monarch, as did Australia in 1975",
Actually, it was Prime Minister Whitlam who selected Mr Kerr for the position of Governor General of Australia.
Whitlam rather arrogantly decided that Kerr was a manageable creature. He did not foresee that Kerr possessed his own type of pride.

Posted by: Australian lady | Apr 24 2021 1:43 utc | 45

Mr. oldhippie

In Israel, after complete vaccination of the population, has had no COVID-19 deaths in 10 months.

I think your first paragraph is plain wrong.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 24 2021 1:45 utc | 46

Senor Tiago

Los Estadounidenses han pirateado el nombre de esa continente para ellos mismos.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 24 2021 1:50 utc | 47

Nicaragua began talking to European powers about a canal to compete with the Americans in Panama. US Marines promptly invaded and stayed for years.

Posted by: Carlton Meyer | Apr 24 2021 2:37 utc | 48

In defense of the yanks, México is also called Estados Unidos Mexicanos but everyone just call it México

Posted by: Mariátegui | Apr 24 2021 5:27 utc | 49

#49 fyi

Posted by: BillB | Apr 24 2021 5:34 utc | 50

#49 fyi

“In Israel, after complete vaccination of the population, has had no COVID-19 deaths in 10 months.“

No, for the first time in 10 months there have been no deaths recorded, quite a different thing.

Posted by: Billb | Apr 24 2021 5:35 utc | 51

I dunno why I'm bothering to respond to so much tosh, but some things just should not stand because of the misconceptions they spread among the unwary.
Firstly whichever blind human who alleged that the Cuban Missile 'Crisis' had nothing to do with the Monroe Doctrine, allow me to point out that is a ridiculously one-sided position to attempt.
Yep the USSR probably did consider the missiles in a Cuba a response to amerika dropping a mob of ICBMs in Turkey, but that analysis only covers a part of what the situation was about.
The USSR did that because they knew that amerika's response would be antagonistic as their foreign policy was still driven by Monroe doctrine.
If you don't believe me do as I have just done, that is open Duck Duck Go and enter the following in the search box:
"cuba missile crisis monroe doctrine"

I got pages of links from lotsa sources other than the Bloomberg mob such as historians, foreign policy wonks, 'think tanks' plus assorted fishwraps, all asserting that the amerikan response to USSR putting missiles into Cuba was driven by the Monroe Doctrine. eg:
To What Extent Was the Monroe Doctrine Invoked During the Cuban Missile Crisis?
The Cuban Missile Crisis, October 1962
Monroe Doctrine
ad infinitum
The last link which is a short essay on the Monroe doctrine says:

"During the Cold War era, President John F. Kennedy invoked the Monroe Doctrine during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, when he ordered a naval and air quarantine of Cuba after the Soviet Union began building missile-launching sites there."

There were a few other examples of types more interested in argument than relevancy, in particular those who alleged I 'made it all about racism' because I pointed out that some of this was about keeping out brown people. Apart from the fact that Monroe Doctrine isn't about race it is about hegemony, that there are many white people throughout those parts of the americas which aren't amerika.
To them I suggest they check out both amerika and england's response to immigration, orangeutan with his 'shithole country' nonsense & muslim ban and england with its 'hostile immigration policy' introduced by T May as Home Secretary in 2014, a policy where immigration and police were instructed to target unwhite humans.
These type responses are pretty standard here nowadays when a portion of posts ignore the thrust of an issue to nitpick around the edges. Why?
Effort spent nitpicking instead of attempting something more useful for humans is effort wasted imho, which is why this will be my sole rejoinder.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 24 2021 6:24 utc | 52

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 23 2021 20:38 utc | 25
Posted by: Casperger | Apr 23 2021 22:36 utc | 36 and a few others

I have a few questions I would like to ask Lizzie about some conversations she had with the Governor General of Canada, Michaëlle Jean spanning 2008-2009.

The 2008–2009 Canadian parliamentary dispute was a political dispute during the 40th Canadian Parliament. It was triggered by the expressed intention of the opposition parties (who together held a majority of seats in the House of Commons) to defeat the Conservative minority government on a motion of non-confidence six weeks after the federal election of October 14, 2008.

The intention to vote non-confidence arose from the government's fiscal update, tabled on November 27, 2008. It included several contentious provisions that the opposition parties rejected and that the government later withdrew to resolve the crisis. The Liberal Party and New Democratic Party reached an accord to form a minority coalition government. The Bloc Québécois agreed to provide support on confidence votes, thereby enabling the coalition a working majority in the Commons. On December 4, 2008, Governor General Michaëlle Jean (the representative of the Canadian monarch and head of state, Elizabeth II) granted Prime Minister Stephen Harper (the head of government) a prorogation on the condition that parliament reconvene early in the new year; the date was set as January 26, 2009. The first session of the 40th parliament thus ended, delaying a vote of no-confidence.[1]

After prorogation, the Liberals underwent a change in leadership and distanced themselves from the coalition agreement, while the NDP and Bloc remained committed to bringing down the government. The Conservative government's budget, unveiled on January 27, 2009, largely met the demands of the Liberals, who agreed to support it with an amendment to the budget motion.[2]

Federal constitutional role of the Monarchy in Canada

Canada's constitution is based on the Westminster parliamentary model wherein role of the Queen is both legal and practical, but not political. HA!!! There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

Posted by: Tom | Apr 24 2021 6:28 utc | 53

@Patroklos 31
John Kerr was indeed a British viceroy, Governor-General of Australia. Where the pressure was or wasn't coming from is a completely different matter.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 24 2021 6:44 utc | 54

In Germany things are getting very strange.

Replying to

Thanks to the new Enabling Act, everything will be shut down in GER. So far none of the kids have been to school anyway, if only with a mask and 2 tests a week. Here test data from a week in Munich, 171.502 tests, 163 = 0.09% positive, everything will be closed again from Monday


This pattern of behavior reminds me of what Arden in New Zealand did with Auckland (pop. 1.5 million) in Feb. 2021 when a few positive "cases" were detected.

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Arden has confirmed the country's mystery local COVID-19 case is linked to the more infectious UK strain.

Ms Ardern announced a snap seven-day lockdown in Auckland last night following the discovery of the case.

From 6am today (4am AEDT), Auckland moved to Alert Level 3 for the week, while the rest of New Zealand is at Alert Level 2.

The new community case does not have a clear link to a small cluster of cases already in the south of the city.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 24 2021 7:12 utc | 55

@K_C_ | Apr 23 2021 22:35 utc | 35

I suppose one could quibble about the term "unimaginable" but the situation in Brazil is in fact rapidly deteriorating due to the virus infecting (and killing) the young and ostensibly healthy where before it was only the old and/or infirm.

I asked for evidence, I have no interest in quibbling.

A link to a random article from Singapore hardly counts as evidence about what is happening (or not) in Brazil. So I have yet to see any evidence.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2021 7:39 utc | 56

@Cyril | Apr 23 2021 23:09 utc | 39

Do you know what evidence is? Do you have anything to show?

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2021 7:40 utc | 57

But the money waste is scheduled to continue for 2-3 years...
"...prior infection is equivalent to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in terms of the level of protection offered, and much better than the Astra-Zeneca vaccine and J&J vaccine. In light of this, it seems completely unnecessary for people who have had covid to get the vaccine."

Posted by: Mina | Apr 24 2021 7:52 utc | 58

@ Norwegian

Where do I find evidence that these "unimaginable number of Covid-19 deaths each day" actually exist?
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 23 2021 14:10 utc | 1

In official statistics.
In France too we have an "unimaginable number of deaths". Not anymore "of" Covid-19, but "with" Covid-19. No test post-mortem, just "look like" test...

And since March 2020, an "unimaginable number of seasonal flu death".
Really inimaginable...


Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 7:58 utc | 59

@ Tom_12 | Apr 24 2021 7:12 utc | 58

One year ago, lockdown was a mistake but facing the fear and uncertainty...
« Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum »

Today in Germany it's centralized decision, a strong rebuttal of federalism

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 8:04 utc | 60

I believe the NZ government had no alternative to going hard and going early at the first sign of the virus, given the pathetic and primitive state of the NZ health system. That policy paid results. It's a matter of numbers, how many ICU beds per head of population?

I have had better care and better facilities in South East Asia.

Most Australians hate their health system, they haven't tried the NZ health system.

Meanwhile Australia claims it leads the world with virus control, totally false. NZ leads the world.

The NZ government knows this and has attempted to make reforms recently by reducing the cumbersome bureaucracy. Its a work in progress.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 24 2021 8:32 utc | 61

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 8:04 utc | 63

It's a slippery path to something ugly, that the young generations have little chance to understand as to how easily things can revert to States considered to be just dark Hollywood movie scenarios.

TED Talk about the Past

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 24 2021 8:44 utc | 62


A simple google search will take you to hundreds of pages about COVID-19 deaths in Brazil.

We are averaging a little under 3K deaths per day now that the tightening of the mobility restrictions of 3 or 4 weeks ago are showing an effect, but since those restrictions are being phased out, we will likely have another spike in a month or so again, unless vaccination turns de tide, which is unlikely at the pace we are keeping.

For the people that think only old people die, we had over 1300 deaths among babies here thus far:

Our government try to hide the number of deaths by making it as small as possible in the official website, but you can check it here nevertheless (in portuguese):

Over 386 thousands official deaths thus far.

Life expentance fell by an average of 1.94 years here in 2020, with some places losing over 3 years, and 2021 will be worse than 2020 (more people are dying now, and younger ones at that):

Last but not least, most brazilians that get sick make heavy use of invermectin, cloroquine, azithromicine, vitamine D, anticoagulants and corticosteroids (this one sometimes at the wrong phase of the disease), the whole package of medicines that people imagined once upon a time that would work. Newsflesh: they still die and some of them end up dying from it or needing a new liver.

Brazil is a freak show of what should not be done during the pandemic...

Posted by: Alves | Apr 24 2021 8:56 utc | 63

On vaccine apartheid (or should it be called bacteriological war?)

Posted by: Mina | Apr 24 2021 10:47 utc | 64

Norwegian | Apr 24 2021 7:39 utc | 59

I asked for evidence, I have no interest in quibbling.

for Covid deaths in Brazil please visit Worldometers

they list two sources for the data.

google or duck duck go is your friend

Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 24 2021 11:25 utc | 65

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2021 7:39 utc | 59

You joker! I remember you last week posting a zerohedge link which led to an article by the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER), this neoliberal hellhole of an institute, to make a stance why business should re-open. And now you are demanding evidence

Posted by: v | Apr 24 2021 11:29 utc | 66

FYI @49

Trying to make any sense of your rejoinder. Did Israel begin vaccinating in June or July of 2020? With what? No, Israel does not have 100% vaccination. ‘Vaccine hesitancy’ as they call it has been strong. Last number I recall reading was 51% vaccinated with very slow progress finding others willing to take the jab. Like any other number that 51% is doubtful. If no one is dying better try harder to find the reason. If covid does die out everyone is going to make it an established fact that the vaccine worked. Reported UK deaths are down 96% off the highs and their vaccine rollout has been very slow. Of course vaccinating 12% of the population gets all the credit for the 96% drop.

Logic and reason are out the window with covid. Everyone believes whatever they want to believe.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 24 2021 14:26 utc | 67

Miss Lucy @ 40

Yes to all of that. Especially yes to the Tomkin lecture from 2010. Genetic drift in viruses is old news. Today there are scare headlines about the new triple variant. To be followed by the quadruple variant, etc.

Yeadon and Sucharit Bhakdi keep making the point that no doctor would believe any of the covid malarkey if they were awake in medical school. Two years ago most of them practiced medicine as if they had been awake. My own GP tells me he has enough contact with his colleagues abroad and has done enough reading to credit the efficacy of ivermectin as highly likely. He cannot and will not prescribe it and have a job. He has to be very cautious about even mentioning Vitamin D.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 24 2021 14:47 utc | 68

Oldhippie, thanks for your post especially your remark about your GP. All of the MDs I mentioned in my post have had horrible, massive attacks on their work, and even, I believe, their lives. Dr. Yeardon gives many examples. The pressures on the true healers seem to be emormous. They have so much to lose, having spent decades learning their trades, and being dedicated to healing. When one considers the massive swindle - the "vaccines" are only permitted if "there is no treatment" - big Pharma would lose $billions, and perhaps more importantly, if those duped sheeple ever wake up to the lies - hell would break loose. A sobering thought. More sobering is the thought of the universal digital id which seems to be the real goal. Truly humanity is at a tipping point.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Apr 24 2021 15:23 utc | 70

Debs - We should soon be reaching the tail end of the Covid crisis in the US and the UK. Should. There are a few things can go wrong yet.

One is that new variants from outside might affect those not yet vaccinated or get past the existing vaccines before those existing vaccines can be modified. There is also a possibility that the new variants might be more serious for the young.
This interview with a Canadian health worker shows the problems caused by imposing insufficient travel restrictions -

Posted by: English Outsider | Apr 24 2021 15:53 utc | 71

@Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 7:58 utc | 62

Yes indeed!

If everything so bl**y obvious, it should be easy to show some actual evidence that can be verified.

"If it doesn't agree with observation - it's wrong"

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2021 16:03 utc | 72

Game's over for India:

Devastating epidemic 'may drag Indian economy back to 20 years ago'; China stands ready to help

Remember people here talking about how the Indians were safe because the SARS-CoV-2 allegedly didn't like warm weather?

They forgot to tell that to the virus, because, by Brazil's (in the Amazon - by far the hottest region of the country) and India's numbers, the SARS-CoV-2 doesn't care about warm weather at all.

Posted by: vk | Apr 24 2021 16:33 utc | 73

"undeniable correlation between vaccination, Covid-19 cases, deaths and the spread of mutant strains"
Gilad Atzmon

“We received 288 death reports in proximity to vaccination (90% up to 10 days after the vaccination), 64% of those were men.” Yet the report states, “according to data provided by the Ministry of Health, only 45 deaths in Israel were vaccine related.” If the numbers above are sincere then Israel, which claimed to conduct a world experiment, failed to genuinely report on its experiment’s results.

Zionist entity is only 9 million inhabitants.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 16:38 utc | 74

@dan of steele | Apr 24 2021 11:25 utc | 68

So according to your source "worldometer", it is claimed that my country has a grand total of 735 deaths from "covid". That is 135/million over more than one year. My guess is that these numbers are exaggerated, but anyway.

Now, if you check the official Norwegian numbers from, they say (in English), page 5:

Reports on deaths
So far, 147 reports of deaths after vaccination have been assessed

This is from a couple of months, from a collection of ~1 million having been 'vaccinated' over a couple of months. So these 'vaccines' are killing people in my country much faster than the 'disease'.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2021 17:44 utc | 76

Vaccination does not turn a person into an immortal.

They still will die from other stuff and some will even die from COVID-19 itself or related diseases, as there is no perfect vaccine.

Over 1 billion doses applied world wide. Another 13 billion doses or so to go.

Posted by: Alves | Apr 24 2021 17:54 utc | 77

Funny how this hardly made the news
"Last week, 175 former heads of state and Nobel Prize winners, including Gordon Brown, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Francoise Hollande wrote to President Biden to support the temporary waiving of intellectual property rights for Covid-19 vaccines to enable the rapid scale up of vaccine production across the world."

Posted by: Mina | Apr 24 2021 18:09 utc | 78

Miss Lacy @ 73

Not wanting to hook the thread but did want to clarify something you say that is clear enough to me but probably not to others.

All of the ‘vaccines’ in current use are only available under Emergency Use Authorization. Such authorization is only legally permissible when zero therapeutics are known. This is why something so benign as Vitamin D must be regularly attacked as dangerous. It also means that all the vaccines are a medical experiment. No one may be obliged to participate in a medical experiment. No one may be pressured to participate in a medical experiment. Medical experimentation is only permissible with volunteers who give informed consent.

Not one person in a thousand who receives the vaccine is even able to give informed consent. All they know about the vaccine is propaganda. The pharma providers have only limited data from truncated clinical trials and they will not even release that data. Attempting to explain to anyone the difference between FDA approval and Emergency Use Authorization is non-possible. The propaganda megaphone and the social compulsion have ended discussion.

Even in this thread we have a call for 100% universal vaccination (#80). Such a result cannot be obtained without coercion. Anyone who seeks such an outcome is a promoter of totalitarianism. That someone would also be a completely normal person.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 24 2021 18:31 utc | 79

I miss the thread this morning!
Posted in

Raw version
Thanks b., once again on Covid-19...

I promised to be back and to post on France. Too much to explains, could be very long. This is a 1st part, for the next one, you can ask for precision or any point of view

Disambiguation 1: coronavirus exists, Covid-19 could be a serious desease for some people and many of old ones as the seasonal flu.

Disambiguation 2: as well documented principles of neurobiology, a stressed organism with no possibility to escape/avoid, lost ability to fight back deseases

France was a great scientific and industrial country. That hasn’t been the case for 30 years. In the pharmaceutical field of Covid-19, no French company has been able to develop a vaccine or a medication. After 15 months of sterile "research", Sanofi will reduce R&D workforce and prepare to becoming subcontractor bootleggers for Pfizer

No research and therefore no funding and flight of the best researchers abroad. Those who remained had their survival funded by studies for Gilead or Pfizer. So when Covid-19 arrived, France naturally succumbed to all the campaigns conducted 1/ AGAINST PHYSICIANS and 2/ FOR THE EXCLUSIVE SEARCH FOR A BIG PHARMA SOLUTION.

Doctors have been effectively banned from prescribing any drugs. Chloroquine has been banned and classified as a poison. Everything has been organized to favour Remdesivir, which can only be administered in hospital. And indeed the patients were admitted to the hospital only late for resuscitation. It should be noted that the French hospital structure has been shrinking for the past 20 years despite the ageing of the population. Saturation was therefore inevitable. One can think that all the people in charge are incompetent.

But in France, in Marseille, there is a hospital structure specialized in the research of transmissible diseases. It is known and recognized worldwide. As of February 20, 2020, its director, Pr. RAOULT announced that there were therapeutic alternatives with older drugs with limited side effects and that it was necessary to remain calm, that doctors had to treat very early.

The media outburst was extraordinary. And it hasn’t stopped in a year. Once, it’s a coincidence. Twice may be a coincidence, but 365 times? The hospital and university structure deserves many posts. It has established its financial independence from BigPharma, its own scientific publications database, its own open statistical data, its own medical information chain...

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 18:39 utc | 80

I havent seen any article about the people who "volunteer" for trials. Any interview, nothing in a whole year. Do they sign a close of non disclosure?

Posted by: Mina | Apr 24 2021 18:52 utc | 81

I'm not disputing anyones statistics but I have two nasty thoughts wandering around in my mind.

1) Remember that this was supposed to be a military engineered virus, and that the "urgency" was to get certain countries vaccinated quickly, almost at the expense of others? At the same time we were told that Gates, Soros, and others of the "great reset" wanted to see a vast reduction in populations. Also that there were three or four (original) variants which appeared at the same time in different places, Italy, US. Iran, China.

We now have multiple variants. Are these tailor made for other specific populations? Are the Brazilian and Indian variants also designed as population reducers? Deliberate ones? At what point does a man made virus become a weapon of Genocide?

2) Nasty thought the next; Are the Governments of the west using the "apparent" crisis to introduce a slow form of Pavlovian reaction? ie - "The" Governments hold the power of reward and punishment, that they are using to install a conditioned reflex. There are; "Rewards" - such as family visits, restaurants, travel, football matches, marriages etc. that are now under Gov supervision and only allowed on a limited basis. (both quantity or quality.) and; "Punishments" - police enforcement, stress, fear, obligations (masks), isolation (lockdowns), and erosion of rights.
Combined with regular indoctrination (TV and other PR "science") in an intimate situation where your natural defenses against bulls**t are lowered. (At least theoretically - I find it is actually painful to sit and watch the tripe that is available - so I don't)

The poor doggies (us) are supposed to develop conditioned reflexes to always obey even after the "stimuli" are withdrawn. Object ; a new normal is being inserted in place of the old normal. This fits with the centralisation of power.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 24 2021 19:03 utc | 82

It is ANZAC day here today so I post these -

(one from his dad)

Posted by: tucenz | Apr 24 2021 22:19 utc | 83

@tucenz 86

Here is an appropriate one for you, Midnight Oil featuring Charlie McMahon on didgeridoo:

If you happen to pass by CHB you are welcome to try playing my genuine East Arnhem Land [NT] Yirrkala didge.

Happy ANZAC Day.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 25 2021 3:44 utc | 84

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2021 23:31 utc | 44

Sorry, but he's still absolutely incorrect as Debsisdead has confirmed. The Monroe Doctrine was the primary justification for the standoff on the American side. President Kennedy spoke of it. Conservatives invoked it as a rationale. Even if it was tit for tat regarding the US putting missiles in Turkey, the Monroe Doctrine still governed - in the minds of idiot Americans - US foreign policy for their hemisphere of the world. Would it have been the Norwegian Missile Crisis if the US had put some missiles there? It was about American hegemony in their part of the world, which is most succinctly and often offered up as a continuation of the Monroe Doctrine.

Posted by: K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 5:28 utc | 85

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2021 17:44 utc | 79

Geezus, man. This is obviously very important to you. Why don't you just book a plane ticket to Brazil so you can see it for yourself? Or how about reading the variety of local Brazilian news outlets talking about the young people dying (where they DID NOT BEFORE) and the hospitals reaching or exceeding capacity or the lack of vaccines because the USA won't give them any?

Seriously - I get the picture. You don't even believe this virus is real. But until YOU go visit one of these places that is being written/talked about by various media spanning corporate major media to local independent media and report back to us that it's all a big lie, there is absolutely nothing productive in your posts re: COVID 19. But look, I also get your drift to a certain extent - MAYBE the death toll IS being inflated (whether accidentally or on purpose) in various places. I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. For example I read somewhere recently that there were only ~200 flu deaths in the US this past "flu season." That sounds ridiculous at first, but maybe the masking and such really did prevent a major flu epidemic? I'm reasonably certain that the vast majority of the deaths attributed to COVID in "first world" countries like the US and UK were confirmed by way of at least some form of test, but do you also deny that ANY tests are really effective?

I'm serious though - I'm going back to the American continent in July (Costa Rica) - maybe you could join me and we can take a trip down to Brazil and check things out for ourselves? I'm not even joking (other than that it would be quite expensive and you probably would refuse to wear a mask in close quarters lol). Please don't take my responses to you as attacks or insults. I understand the skeptical mindset, but I just think you're *mostly* wrong on this subject.

Posted by: K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 5:36 utc | 86

Posted by: Paul | Apr 24 2021 8:32 utc | 64

Very interesting post. I've never been to NZ, but plan on going. Do you have any links regarding the way the HC system there operates? Is it largely privatized or is it publicly funded? NZ is one of the few countries in the American sphere of influence that I have very little information about, other than the fact that one of my favorite bands - Crowded House - came from there!

Posted by: K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 5:39 utc | 87

Debs is dead ask

How low can you go, eh?

Very low...
Listening Woman* surrender to Fauci

Debra Anne Haaland, 54th United States secretary of the interior is the first Native American to serve as a Cabinet secretary. Supervisor of NPS, in charge of 63 National Parks
Proud to be part of the Pueblo people who have lived on the land that is now the state of New Mexico since the 1200s and Haaland identifies herself as a 35th-generation New Mexican.
During the swearing-in ceremony in January 2019, Haaland wore traditional Pueblo dress, necklace and moccasins.
In those pandemics time, walking Yosemite could great (but cold!). In April, Chaco Culture National Historical Park is probably better to visit for the pleasure of bodies and mental health.

In the ceremonial context of indigenous North American communities, "medicine" usually refers to spiritual healing.

But "Margaret Haaland" prefer listening Fauci and forgetting 36th generation. Announce federal mask mandate even outdoors in National Parks.

* Mrs. Margaret Cigarette, Tony Hillerman's Listening Woman: blind older woman who knows the sings to help specific problems.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 6:05 utc | 88

@ K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 5:39 utc | 90 and other.

WE are not "Covid-19 deniers".

Perhaps just facts checkers and fakes deniers? Could I?

France for example was hit by Covid-19. 100 000 deaths with (not of/from/by) Covid-19)
Good National Institute for Statistics and good Civil Register since Napoléon.
Reported death with seasonal flu since February 2020.
Mortality below 70 years not excessive but
As Pr. Raoult said:

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 6:20 utc | 89

End of 92

Mortality below 70 years not excessive but lower as 2019....
Excess mortality over 70. Mostly over 80. And as in New York, in retirement home where infected aged people have been look down.
What to do with Covid-19? Texas do it well

As Pr. Raoult said: mask, social distancing is probably effective on flu and other airborne desease. Covid-19 probably not so much. The desease needs honest physicians and care. Not fear and panic room.

The "Remdesivir / vaccine" narrative, is just another "Regime Change Does Not Change A Thing" .

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 6:32 utc | 90

Posted in other threads

Louis Jouvet 1951: Knock

250 thermometer

Physician and little pharma

À voir et revoir

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 24 2021 18:29 utc | 66



Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 6:40 utc | 91

Bernard F. various as well...

I won't link the source (it's Politifact - so scoff if you must) but they link to the CDC (of the USA) site in this statement:

"Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19," the agency reported."

Now...I, too will gladly wait for some final numbers and fact check them myself, but an excess 300K deaths from one year to the next, not counting the beginning (COVID was already spreading in the USA in January I'm certain because I had it), or the end (the final 6 weeks of 2020, not to mention 2021). My so-called beef is with the people who deny every aspect of the pandemic from its mere existence (I too am positive that "novel" coronaviruses have been circulating for years with no attention given) to the efficacy of certain types of tests (which I agree, differ based on methodology).

At this point in time, I think that COVID was/is real and that it's a SERIOUS issue in all places affected, but specifically India and Brazil right now. India has something like 2.3 BILLION people in a land mass with fewer sq. mi. than the USA. That's a VERY densely populated country. When you subtract the 'uninhabitable' or uninhabited sections of Brazil that the Amazon and other rainforests account for, it's similarly dense and it's virtually an accepted fact that Bolsonaro's plan from the beginning was to allow the new virus (fake or real) to kill as many of the indigent and poor as possible.

Anyway I do appreciate a skeptical outlook, but I generally want as much backing information/data from skeptics as I demand of the corporate lamestream media that echoes Washington D.C.'s and the Atlantacists' narrative on anything from Syrian chemical weapons attacks to the Skripal "poisonings" to the "hacking" of the Americans' 2016 election in favor of Trump.

Hence in many ways we're on the same side here, but I want incontrovertible evidence when it's available.

Posted by: K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 7:00 utc | 92

Some additional info for my reply to Bernard F.

My nuclear family and I relocated to Spain in November and December of 2016. Nothing to do with Trump's election at all, but I would have made the move for sure when W. Bush and Cheney were "elected" in 2000 had I the chance to do so.

We visited the west coast from about December 28 through January the 15th in 2019/2020 and during that visit we flew on multiple planes, sat in many airports, rode many tour busses (the redwoods are amazing and the only real way to get there is on a packed bus), rented cars and hotel rooms, took Uber rides, stayed with friends and generally interacted with the entire population of California. When we were flying back to NYC and then to Paris and Barcelona, there were people with "dry coughs" and just sneezing uncontrollably into the air the entire time as well. Both of us had a major infection of some sort quickly thereafter and I and my wife were bedridden for 1 to 2 days. The kids remained in other EU members in college. I'm POSITIVE it was COVID and on top of that - not sure I buy the news - COVID had been discovered in sewage samples from March 2019 in Barcelona when we happened to be there which was the trip that ended up resulting in my wife, my employer and myself to decide to move there. I work for a big transnational toll road and infrastructure firm here now because I had some proficiency in Spanish.

But my main point is that I have seen, heard and read some compelling theories as to COVID's true origin/existence/means of spread/ability to prevent/mortality/etc. and I'm awaiting longer term study results from multiple countries assuming I manage to live through it (we're one of VERY few couples in Catalonia to have BOTH vaccine doses - I won't share which company, but it's probably obvious and no blood clots) rather than rely on super-skeptics and straight up deniers.

Posted by: K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 7:08 utc | 93

Posted by K_C_ @ 90

I am no expert, just a consumer. I am originally from Australia. Most Australians hate the Australian health system. In my opinion the NZ HS is worse. Both have a mixture of public and private. My American friend says the NZ public system is actually better than the US, but the US private HS is, in his opinion, the best in the world. The NZ government is attempting to eliminate a whole level of bureaucracy:

Australia has a separate health department for each state. The federal government also has a health department but it doesn't have even one hospital. It administers policy.

One trouble with the NZ HS is the medical staff are not well paid for the work they do, so they go to Australia where they can make more, like so many others. It is hard to find tradesmen or skilled workers in NZ. Doctors can become rich in Australia.

Successive NZ governments have not invested in enough new hospitals.

NZ is like Australia used to be in many ways. I prefer to live in NZ. I am infuriated with the bureaucracy and the needless hassle. I am sick of being pushed online to deal with the government. Australia has 'gone to the dogs.'

It WAS relatively easy for US citizens to come to Australia or NZ. Affordable housing has skyrocketed in both countries. Over 40's can't easily obtain resident visas. Of course Hollywood celebrities and multi-millionaires are the exception.

NZ is very beautiful and has much better race relations than Australia. NZ has a more independent foreign policy.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 25 2021 9:32 utc | 94

@K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 5:36 utc | 89

I have a close colleague and friend from Peru who speaks Quechua, Spanish, Portuguese and Norwegian. He has lived in Brazil and know the country well. He was in Brazil and Peru only a couple of months ago and told me his story after he came home. His only problem was at the airport with ridiculous requirements of "testing". That's all there was to it and he is a first hand witness.

Btw., the company I work for has an office in Rio and I speak with my colleagues there on a fairly regular basis. It's theater.

Seriously - I get the picture. You don't even believe this virus is real.
I get that for you it is a question of belief. You are free to whatever conviction you prefer, but for me it is a question of requiring factual evidence. The extraordinary claims that are made do indeed require extraordinary evidence, and such evidence has not been forthcoming.
If it disagrees with experiment, its wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It doesn't make a difference how beautiful your guess is, it doesn't make a difference how smart you are, who made the guess or what his name is... if it disagrees with experiment, its wrong. Thats all there is to it.

This is supposed to be about science, right? So the rules of the scientific method do apply, even if it is painful to admit.

But look, I also get your drift to a certain extent - MAYBE the death toll IS being inflated (whether accidentally or on purpose) in various places. I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. For example I read somewhere recently that there were only ~200 flu deaths in the US this past "flu season." That sounds ridiculous at first, but maybe the masking and such really did prevent a major flu epidemic?

So you are guessing the disappearance of ordinary flu deaths are caused by the ridiculous masks. If it was such a good idea, why didn't anybody think about this before, but instead promoted "flu" shots that didn't seem to solve anything but had to paid for on a regular basis? Fine, guessing is the first step in the scientific method: Use guessing to formulate a hypothesis. The next step is to compare that hypothesis with observation to see if agrees or not.

I'm reasonably certain that the vast majority of the deaths attributed to COVID in "first world" countries like the US and UK were confirmed by way of at least some form of test, but do you also deny that ANY tests are really effective?
Do you seriously mean to imply that dead people are being tested to verify if they died because of "covid" or not? If you have facts to show this is happening, you may want to share. As for the PCR tests that are performed on as yet undead people, they are indeed being misused, The inventor of PCR never said it wasn’t designed to detect infectious diseases.
Please don't take my responses to you as attacks or insults. I understand the skeptical mindset, but I just think you're *mostly* wrong on this subject.
Not a problem, I think the same of your views.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 25 2021 9:48 utc | 95

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 6:40 utc | 94

250 thermometers introduced in the right orifice. Time machine traveling, nothing like the classics.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 25 2021 10:20 utc | 96

@ K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 7:08 utc | 96 and many.

You can probably find a copy of Knock 1951 film from a 1928 3 act play. A physician take power on ignorant people. Or just a look at wiki

We are no denier or skeptical.
Those word are simply part of MSM/Fauci/Véran and al. narrative.
If you really want advice from qualified physicians : any of Pr. Raoult in french, or this one, earing of Texas Senate
Thousands more if you are not too lazy.

On statistics... So much to say. Overmortality is 99% people over 70 years old. USA is 360 millions, so 4 millions deaths pro years. It's easy to fanatize people with so big numbers. And stressed people don't resist. Desease or authorities.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 25 2021 12:33 utc | 97

KC @ 95

India has a population of 1.3 billion. Not 2.3 billion. Perhaps a typo? Now can you give me “incontrovertible evidence” it was merely a typo? Yes, the epistemological question is always important. Epistemology is never a reason to default to promoted narratives that are manifestly preposterous.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 25 2021 14:57 utc | 98

@ K_C_ | Apr 25 2021 5:28 utc | 88

sorry, but i am supporting the part where he says it could just as easily have been called the turkey missile crisis.. the naming of it implies a one sided story that is not the truth.. i am not challenging that it is all a part of the monroe doctrine... it is the same deal with the dynamic in ukraine at present.. we hear constantly how russia is amassing troops and etc on ukraines border, but we hear zilch on the role ukraine and by extension the west is doing to create this... that was the part i was supporting in marku's post... cheers..

Posted by: james | Apr 25 2021 16:08 utc | 99

@Norwegian | Apr 24 2021 7:40 utc | 60

Do you know what evidence is? Do you have anything to show?

Yes I know. The evidence:

(1) Hans Kristian Gaarder was notorious for denying COVID-19.
(2) Hans Kristian Gaarder has now been killed by COVID-19.

Norway's average IQ probably went up a bit when Gaarder died.

Posted by: Cyril | Apr 25 2021 21:46 utc | 100

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