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April 17, 2021

Biden's Russia-China Tactic Is To Wage War AND To Ask For Cooperation. It Will Fail.

The policies of the Biden administration towards Russia and China are delusional. It thinks that it can squeeze these countries but still successfully ask them for cooperation. It believes that the U.S. position is stronger than it really is and that China and Russia are much weaker than they are.

It is also full of projection. The U.S. accuses both countries of striving for empire, of wanting to annex more land and of human rights violations. But is only the U.S. that has expanding aspirations. Neither China nor Russia are interested in running an empire. They have no interest in planting military bases all over the world. Though both have marginal border conflicts they do not want to acquire more land. And while the U.S. bashes both countries for alleged human rights issues it is starving whole populations (Yemen, Syria, Venezuela) through violence and economic sanctions.

The U.S. power structures in the Pentagon and CIA use the false accusations against Russia and China as pretense for cold military and hot economic wars against both countries. They use color revolution schemes (Ukraine, Myanmar) to create U.S. controlled proxy forces near their borders.

At the same time as it tries to press these countries the U.S. is seeking their cooperation in selected fields. It falsely believes that it has some magical leverage.

Consider this exchange from yesterday's White House press briefing about Biden asking for a summit with Putin while, at the same time, implementing more sanctions against Russia:

Q What if [Putin] says “no,” though? Wouldn’t that indicate some weakness on the part of the American administration here?

MS. PSAKI: Well, I think the President’s view is that Russia is on the outside of the global community in many respects, at this point in time. It’s the G7, not the G8. They have — obviously, we’ve put sanctions in place in order to send a clear message that there should be consequences for the actions; the Europeans have also done that.

What the President is offering is a bridge back. And so, certainly, he believes it’s in their interests to take him up on that offer.

The G7 are not the 'global community'. They have altogether some 500 million inhabitants out of 7.9 billion strong global population. Neither China nor India are members of the G7 nor is any South American or African country. Moreover Russia has rejected a Russian return into the G7/8 format:

“Russia is focused on other formats, apart from the G7,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in a brief statement ..

Russia has no interest in a summit which would only be used by the U.S. to further bash Russia. Why should it give Biden that pleasure when there is nothing that Russia would gain from it. Russia does not need a 'bridge back'. There will be no summit.

Biden also  called for a climate summit during which he hopes to show 'American leadership' and to dictated to other countries, especially China, how much they will have to reduce their output of climate changing gases:

The Biden administration is nearing agreements with Japan, South Korea and Canada to bolster carbon emission reduction targets in all four countries ahead of a closely watched summit of global leaders on Earth Day, April 22.

But in the latest sign of how difficult it will be for President Biden to make climate change a core part of his foreign policy, similar deals with China, India and Brazil, economic powerhouses that together produce more than a third of global emissions, remain elusive.

John Kerry, Mr. Biden’s global climate envoy, is preparing to make a last-minute trip to China and South Korea ahead of the summit, which Mr. Biden will be hosting.

China however does not agree with U.S. 'leadership':

China has demonstrated its ambition in global climate governance, and also sent a signal to the US that climate negotiations between the two countries are on equal terms, and that China is not and won't be the "attendant" of US-centered climate campaign, Chinese observers commented on Wednesday.
Chinese observers called Washington's move as "trying to form a US-centered climate cooperation circle" in order to shore up its leadership on global issues. However, China has now shouldered the responsibility of global climate governance, as the US' frequent departure and then return to global cooperation on this issue has marred global cooperation and diminished other countries efforts, said Li.

Kerry is now in China where he had hoped to have top level meetings. But China's Chairman Xi has shown him a cold shoulder. The day before Kerry arrived Xi held is own climate summit with the German Chancellor Merkel and the French President Macron. It was the top news in Chinese media while Kerry's gig was hardly mentioned:

Chinese President Xi Jinping attended a video summit with French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Beijing on Friday.

The leaders of the three countries exchanged in-depth views on cooperation in coping with climate change, China-Europe relations, anti-pandemic cooperation, and major international and regional issues.
The three leaders agreed that it is necessary to uphold multilateralism, fully implement the Paris Agreement, and jointly build a fair, reasonable, cooperative, and win-win global climate governance system, and promote this summit to achieve positive, balanced, and pragmatic results.

Kerry in contrast only met a Chinese climate envoy and had a virtual meeting with Vice-Premier Han Zheng. No new commitments were made to him.

Biden's and Kerry's exhorations about climate issues are also extraordinary hypocritical as the U.S. is currently attacking China's solar industry in Xinjiang with baseless allegations of labor abuse.

If Biden wants cooperation with Russia or China he needs to reign in the hawks and stop his attacks on those countries. As he is not willing or capable of doing that any further cooperation attempts will fall flat.

The U.S. has to learn that it is no longer the top dog. It can not work ceaselessly to impact Russia's and China's military and economic security and still expect them to cooperate. If it wants something it will first have to cease the attacks and to accept multilateral relationships.

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Murikans are just natural born retards. And arrogant ones at that.

Posted by: Et Tu | Apr 17 2021 18:06 utc | 1

Hard to argue with your analysis b, it rings true in every respect. Somehow, through the constant propganda dispersed by our corporate MSM, I suspect the bulk of rank and file Americans would disagree with the reality presented in this thread.

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 17 2021 18:07 utc | 2

That 3rd world manure-hole is populated by some of the dumbest creatures ever spawned.

"What the President is offering is a bridge back"

I'll bet they're still laughing at that one in Moscow.

Whenever that woman opens her mouth, nothing but stupidity falls out of it.

Posted by: robert | Apr 17 2021 18:30 utc | 3

bang on b.. thank you... it needs to be said... it seems that the talks in alaska were a turning point for china and russia is also taking its cues from actions verses words moving forward here... the usa is like a runaway train, gone off the rails.... an accident in the process of happening... no one appears in command.... will be interesting to see where this ends up.. the fact china is giving the usa the cold shoulder is long overdue... same deal with russia giving a similar response... at what point do they say enough is enough?? it looks like we are at, or close to that spot now..

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 18:38 utc | 4

Thanks b.
I Posted in Open Thread this morning

@ psychohistorian | Apr 17 2021 4:44 utc | 125
What did the leaders discuss?

Macron called "Macrounet le Mignon" just have a great need for recognition. To be "on Zoom" with Mutti Merkel and Xi, what an Ecstasy!

Thanks to Macron and the last 40 years of public and industrial management, french carbon footprint is on the move to none.
Rise and decline of dirigism

May I outline : Rise of subjugation.
Unfortunately not to multilaterality

A real political call in France is from former President Chirac
"Les promesses n'engagent que ceux qui les reçoivent."
Promises are only binding on those who receive them.

The talks came as US special envoy for climate change John Kerry was in Shanghai for a meeting with his counterpart Xie Zhenhua.

German government spokeswoman Ulrike Demmer said Merkel and Macron welcomed Xi's reaffirmation of China's goal of becoming carbon-neutral before 2060.

They also expressed support for China to adjust its shorter-term emissions goals.

At the talks, Xi is reported to have warned of the possibility that climate change could be used as a tool to disparage some countries for not doing enough.

"Responding to climate change is a common cause of all mankind and it should not become a geopolitical bargaining chip, a target for attacks on other countries or an excuse for trade barriers,"
the official Xinhua news agency cited Xi as saying.

wait for Kerry's Anchorage-moment

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 17 2021 6:15 utc | 130


Kerry in contrast only met a Chinese climate envoy and had a virtual meeting with Vice-Premier Han Zheng. No new commitments were made to him.


Posted by: Bernard F | Apr 17 2021 18:38 utc | 5

Run government like a criminal gang, yeah that's the ticket, why does everybody not like this?/sarc

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 17 2021 18:53 utc | 6

And not to be missed on "17 de Abril"

¡ Feliz cumpleaños  🇨🇺 !

     Playa Girón

La verdad de la historia: la derrota yankee en Girón (Bahia de cochino)

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 17 2021 18:54 utc | 7

Thanks for the posting b

It is good to read that the US is starting to be treated with the disdain it deserves for harboring/fronting the global private finance elite, just like the UK.

Just like "animal spirits" and "the hidden hand", rules based order is monkey myth talk for private finance elite rules based order.

Bring it on China and Russia!!!!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 17 2021 18:56 utc | 8

The G7 is practically defunct. It was de facto over after the 2008 crisis. The organ that inherited its authority is the G20 - of which, of course, Russia is a member.

Posted by: vk | Apr 17 2021 19:02 utc | 9

This is not off topic - on the contrary.

We need to talk about Germany.

Posted by: JB | Apr 17 2021 19:02 utc | 10

Interesting that the CNN producer on the Veritas video said that global warming will be the next big fear-inducing corporate greenwashing campaign. Would love to know where all these "narratives" are coordinated from and by whom.

Posted by: j. casey | Apr 17 2021 19:03 utc | 11

"It can not work ceaselessly to impact Russia's and China's military and economic security and still expect them to cooperate"
You have to understand the USA. They're doing it against Europe on a daily basis, and it actually works... Get them confused why it doesn't always work against others.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Apr 17 2021 19:04 utc | 12

@ Bernard F | Apr 17 2021 18:38 utc | 5... great idea to put the word as a verb! - Anchoraged!

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 19:08 utc | 13

@ 10 jb - ""Because we -- together with Ukraine -- don't want to get involved in this Russian game," she said." well she is full of shite too... so, there is that... either the defence minister has been sleepwalking thru the past 10 years, or she is an ignoramus.. which is it?? no other options are available..

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 19:12 utc | 14

It's interesting what's happening right now (in the past hour or so).

First: Russian and Belorussian news about the arrest of leaders (or key participants) of an attempted military coup in Belarus, planned by the US security services.

Then, 30 minutes later: the Czechs expel 18 Russian diplomats, accusing them of spying and of connection to some explosion back in 2014.

I could've been skeptical about the details of the first story, but the second one seems to confirm it. The second story appears to be an obvious attempt to squeeze the first one out of the news. And who else could order the Czech government to do this with a 30 minute notice?

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 17 2021 19:17 utc | 15

While I agree with 99% of your post, there is one point that I think needs to be keeping in mind. While the populace of this particular manure-hole certainly has its equal share of dumb creatures, the people running things cannot be so easily dismissed. The problem as I see it is they have a great deal of a certain kind of intelligence, as someone said “smart, but not wise”. They are educated, but insane. The cream of the crop that has gone sour. In my travels I would often ask people what they actually thought of “Americans”. An Indonesian man responded “ soft, but cunning. You have to be careful around them.”

If these cunning, insane, power hungry creatures were simply dumb and not truly evil, we might be in less of a shit show (nod to psychohistorian) than we are.

Posted by: NotBob | Apr 17 2021 19:24 utc | 16

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 17 2021 19:17 utc | 15

Machine translation of FSB announcement:

"The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, together with the State Security Committee of the Republic of Belarus (RB), as a result of a special operation, suppressed the illegal activities of Yuri Leonidovich Zyankovich, who has dual citizenship of the United States and the Republic of Belarus, and Alexander Iosifovich Feduta, a citizen of the Republic of Belarus, who planned to carry out a military coup in Belarus according to the worked-out scenario of "color revolutions" with the involvement of local and Ukrainian nationalists, as well as the physical elimination of President Alexander Lukashenko. Zyankovich arrived in Moscow after consultations in the United States and Poland. In the Russian capital, he planned a meeting with representatives of the Belarusian Armed Forces to convince them to participate in a coup involving local and Ukrainian nationalists. The coup was planned in Minsk on May 9 during the Victory Day parade.Currently, the detainees have been transferred to Belarus. (C) FSB DSP

Posted by: Paco | Apr 17 2021 19:24 utc | 17

Wouldn’t Oceania rulers love to print more of their own currency to buy up all the paper rights to industrial output without having to invest in the factories or anything else! They love this kind of business model.

“The secret of success is to own nothing but control everything.”

Because of what’s at stake and how little I trust Oceania, I confess I no longer have an opinion about global warming. Even if many of its scientists are *earnest*, who obtained, processed, and stored the data before they started building models? Those institutions are capable of anything.

Posted by: oglalla | Apr 17 2021 19:27 utc | 18

Posted by: JB | Apr 17 2021 19:02 utc | 10

RE AKK, thank you for that link, that was hilarious.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 17 2021 19:46 utc | 19

@ j. casey -- The answers to "where all these [corporate greenwashing] "narratives" are coordinated from and by whom" is thoroughly analyzed by Corey Morningstar at --

"Wrong Kind of Green exposes the nexus of white supremacy propaganda and high-tech genocide. Examining demonization, psychological warfare, the behavioral economics of hatred, and the marketplace of perceptions, they reveal the consumer-oriented complexities of promoting capitalist activism as an antidote to the evils of capitalism. In critiquing the illusion of reforming an abomination, Wrong Kind of Green details the methodology of capital in subverting citizenship, substituting meaningless consumer activities led by capitalist-funded fronts like SumOfUs, 350 and MoveOn."

Using the menu "Search NGOs" you'll find all the dominant (Western) international players and how they manipulate Climate Science to fit their profit-oriented agendas.

Posted by: norecovery | Apr 17 2021 19:57 utc | 20

The u.s. may still be the 'top dog' in some sense. But China and Russia together at least match its force in every single arena. Biden has some similarity to Tronald. He still lives in somewhat immaginary fifties. He certainly didn't catch up with the 21. century geopolitical evolution. This is not uncommon in the u.s., even with younger people. It's an almost mentally self sufficient country, knowledge about other countries is in a very scarce supply. You do not need it in order to survive at home.

Posted by: pnyx | Apr 17 2021 19:59 utc | 21

The Empire is trying to surround and castrate Russia.Russian interests are being hit every day.Sanctions for ever,more and more. Putin has to come up
with something exceptionally crazy and unexpected. another level of asymmetry. Russian stockpile is "officially" of about 6.400 nuclear heads
of which 1600 operational, probably more than that. This Nuclear Capital
should be "invested ". Putin should convince Iran to change policy and accept donation or lease of 200-300 nuclear heads. Siria,Venezuela and maybe Korea should be given a number of tactical nuclear weapons for self defence. China,as well,with Russian help,should double the Nuclear Potential. A political Earthquake would shake the Empire. Russia survival
is the Stake.

Posted by: Condorpuma | Apr 17 2021 20:11 utc | 22

@ Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 17 2021 19:17 utc | 15.. thanks agreed! and as funny as funny would have it, the 2 guys accused are the same 2 the uk accused of in regards the skripal poisoning... apparently there are only so many fsb agents to go around and these guys are always especially busy.... it is a 7 hour drive from Vrbetice to Lviv, or about 700 kilometers...

"Also on Saturday, the Czech police placed two Russian citizens, who had allegedly visited Vrbetice at the time of the explosions, on the wanted list over “serious crime.” They were identified as Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov – the same persons that Britain accused of being the Russian spies in the UK responsible for using the infamous ‘Novichok’ chemical agent on double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury in March 2018."

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 20:18 utc | 23

USA givesall its manufacturing to then moans about China carbon emissions. Chine is worlds largest solar panel manufacturer, us moans about China carbon. USA blocks Nord Stream 2 gas supply to Germany then moans about Russian carbon emissions. USA hasthe poorest house insulation regulationa and moans about others carbon emissions.

China achieves major reafforestation targets and reclaims huge tracts of desert and USA ignores it, continues to strip forests at home and everwhere else.

USA needs to build a bridge to its future and to common sense.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 17 2021 20:20 utc | 24

@ pnyx -- It's not only that USians are unaware of much of what's happening in other countries, it's the fact they are misinformed and misled about current events by propaganda. This is also the case in Europe because their MSM also have been co-opted by the coordinated Intelligence Apparatus (CIA - MI6 - FiveEyes) that controls the flow of information in the U.S. MSM. We are witnessing censorship/control of Social Media, Search Engines, and formerly independent websites as well.

This is an all-out effort of Class War. One aspect of this is to broadcast a hidden personal message that if I feel oppressed, "it must be my own fault" because "success" supposedly is within everyone's grasp (note the emphasis on celebrity 'culture').

Posted by: norecovery | Apr 17 2021 20:23 utc | 25

Official TASS links:


Posted by: Lozion | Apr 17 2021 20:25 utc | 26

Forget G7. As a forum, it is relevant only to USA & it's compliant subject states. (The smarter of which are now whistling nonchalantly as they gently disengage from the US headlock, all the while hoping the bully will not notice!).

ASEAN is where it's at, baby! C'mon!

The ASEAN Summit was in June 2019.

In late July 2019 there was a Russia-ASEAN Ministerial Meeting, Bangkok, where Sergei Lavrov said:

"This meeting is the first one since relations between Russia and ASEAN have been upgraded to strategic partnership, as agreed by our leaders and officially announced at last year’s Russia-ASEAN summit in Singapore.

The agreements reached there have laid the foundation for further building up cooperation in all areas, and set new tasks for us. I am pleased to state that the parties have begun to implement them promptly and without delay.

I would especially like to note the increased level of coordination in the international arena. Our countries for the most part share the same foreign policy philosophy and approaches to dealing with modern problems exclusively through negotiations and dialogue. This is especially important in the current difficult situation in the world."

Thai Foreign Minister Don Pramudwinai at a meeting with Pompeo in August 2019 says it all - and contrasts then Pres. Trumps 'gimme everything' and 'do-as-I-say-or-else' policies :

at least four characteristics of ASEAN outlook.

One, the ASEAN outlook’s goal is the collective gain of all involved, where the whole could be greater than the sum of its part. This is at least.

And two, outlook does not seek to dominate, challenge, or control. It’s not based on a zero-sum mindset. It’s neither offensive nor defensive in nature, nor does it seek to shrink the pie that could be shared by many and all. That was the second characteristic of outlook.

And third, ASEAN outlook is about sharing and promoting wealth, not tipping the scale in anyone’s favor. It is non-threatening. It is not about pointing fingers and – but holding hands and working together as equals, not in terms of military or economic might, but as partners and respectful stakeholders. This is how ASEAN saw it when we came up with the outlook.

And fourth, ASEAN now is about sink or swim together, not about trying to throw the opposing party overboard that that would invite a fierce pushback that could cause the entire ship to sink.

Posted by: powerandpeople | Apr 17 2021 20:28 utc | 27

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 20:18 utc | 23

Petroff&Boshiroff is a registered trademark, for some line of cleaning chemicals.

Here is a meme, it reads "no rookies in our business", plus the double ff ending gives it a taste or white guard Paris émigré.


Posted by: Paco | Apr 17 2021 20:30 utc | 28

It is characteristic signature of bureaucracy that they behave in manner inconsistent, because
- balkaniztion
- incompetence

Putin has Biden deep in his backfield.
Rare opportunity.

I would suggest split Ukraine on the Dnieper - it would benefit everyone.

Is Blinken really wanting war on three fronts?
Somebody wake Joe.

Posted by: jared | Apr 17 2021 20:33 utc | 29

Lukashenko says Putin-Biden talked about alleged US-led assassination plot
MINSK, April 17. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin focused on the issue of an assassination attempt on Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko prepared by US intelligence agencies in a call with US President Joe Biden, Lukashenko said aired by the ONT television channel on Saturday.

"Another thing that surprises me is why Americans behave like this. Remember that no one except the top political leadership can set the task of getting rid of a president. Only them, not the special services," Lukashenko said.

"I'll tell you more. I am grateful to Putin. When he was talking with Biden, he asked him this question. Gurgling and no answer. Vladimir Vladimirovich [Putin] called me and told me about this when I arrived from Azerbaijan," he added.
(Entire article.)

Posted by: Keith McClary | Apr 17 2021 20:37 utc | 30

@james "apparently there are only so many fsb agents to go around and these guys are always especially busy"

Yeah. Apparently Ian Fleming's comedic prose left a long-lasting impression.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 17 2021 20:42 utc | 31

Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov – the same persons that Britain accused of being the Russian spies in the UK responsible for using the infamous ‘Novichok’ chemical agent on double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury in March 2018."

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 20:18 utc | 23

What's next, Petrov and Boshirov will play the villains in the next James Bond flick? Might as well, as that is the only place the west will win in a confrontation with Russia, in their fantasies. It also makes it easier for the feeble minded who believe this tosh.

Russia's and Belarus's next moves will be interesting. That festering shit hole of a country that is called Ukraine can't crash fast enough for me. Zelensky's impersonation of Bart in Blazing Saddles, holding a gun to his head saying "If you don't help me NATO, the minor actor/president gets it". Pull the trigger Zelensky, pull the trigger.

"Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?”
― Clint Eastwood

Posted by: Tom | Apr 17 2021 20:55 utc | 32

Ukraine asked the senior diplomat of the Russian Embassy in Kiev to leave Ukraine within 72 hours, starting April 19.

-Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs


Posted by: Lozion | Apr 17 2021 20:55 utc | 33

Coming next:

Satellite photo allegedly shows uighur forced labor holding up solar panels at solar farm....

Posted by: A.L. | Apr 17 2021 20:58 utc | 34

USA needs to build a bridge to its future and to common sense.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 17 2021 20:20 utc | 24

Is Jake Sullivan supposed to coordinate?

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 17 2021 21:05 utc | 35

It's happening, as I foresaw:

Hard-right Republicans forming new caucus to protect 'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'

As I predicted before, the USA will probably devolve into a fascist dictatorship as it shrinks, preparing itself for a last desperate attempt to restore its worldwide prestige in a WWIII against China.

This shrunk empire, which I denominated the "Byzantine Phase" of the American Empire, would be characterized by:

1) the loss of influence in the Eastern Front (European Peninsula) and the correspondent decline of Europe;

2) a momentary rise of the West Coast and the American Empire's western provinces (Australia, Japan);

3) a more Christian fundamentalist ideology (Fascism) for the masses, specially its Armed Forces.

All these ingredients can only result in the rise of a Fascist Empire, which, in the USA, must also translate into a white supremacist empire. So far, this "Anglo-Saxon caucus" points to the direction I pointed.

Posted by: vk | Apr 17 2021 21:17 utc | 36

I suspect the bridge Sullivan would come up with would be the "Galloping Gertie", the Tacoma Narrows bridge.

Fun fact. My understanding is pieces saved from the Tacoma Narrows bridge were used to build the current bridge over the Liard River on the Alaska Highway in northern B.C. I suspect a speech from Xi Jinping would be enough to start the bridge "dancing". Bridge suffered more indignity while it was undergoing some maintenance when a heavily loaded 18 wheeler caused the centre of the bridge to "flatten out".

ALASKA highway bridge, ANCHORAGE Alaska. A bridge too far. I seem to be stuck on a movie theme today.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 17 2021 21:21 utc | 37

@ james

Petrov and Boshirov join the fsb légion.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 17 2021 21:21 utc | 38

Russia has shown an astonishing amount of 'strategic patience' in the face of racism, lies, insults, seizure of diplomatic property, obstruction of officials coming to the UN, possibly a hand in the murder of their high rank military landing in Syria, perhaps the downing of their choir, US silence of US radar data 'highly likely' showing Ukraine downing the Malaysian aircraft, fabrications everywhere, and so very much more.

Well, the cup of patience runneth over.

"These steps represent just a fraction of the capabilities at our disposal. Unfortunately, US statements threatening to introduce new forms of punishment show that Washington is not willing to listen and does not appreciate the restraint that we have displayed despite the tensions that have been purposefully fuelled since the presidency of Barack Obama.

Recall that after a large-scale expulsion of Russian diplomats in December 2016 and the seizure of Russian diplomatic property in the US, we did not take any response measures for seven months. We responded only when Russia was declared a US adversary legislatively in August 2017.

In general, compared to the Russian diplomatic missions in the United States, the US Embassy in Moscow operates in better conditions, enjoying a numerical advantage and actively benefitting from the work of Russian citizens hired in-country. This form of disparity frees up “titular” diplomats to interfere in our domestic affairs, which is one of the main tenets of Washington’s foreign policy doctrine.

...the reality is that we hear one thing from Washington but see something completely different in practice... a proposed Russian-US summit. When this offer was made, it was received positively and is now being considered in the context of concrete developments."/BLOCKQUOTE>

The last bit is deliberately ambiguous. Ha ha ha ha ha!

Posted by: powerandpeople | Apr 17 2021 21:24 utc | 39

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 17 2021 21:21 utc | 38

I suspect Sullivan and Blinken's next gig will be something like that. "We came here to forget", but instead of the French Legion, it will be PMC Wagner.

Personally what I would do would be a Operation Bagration 2.0 at the slightest misstep by Ukraine. There is may too much on the table here. Bio labs, nests of NATO rats, nuclear power plants, NATO missiles on the Ukrainian and Belarus borders with Russia. Time to clear out the rats including Lviv. After disinfecting this part of eastern Europe (again) of that other far more dangerous virus, Nazism, life will be much more peaceful in that part of the world, and likely by the domino effect (yes I actually said that!) to other places in the world plagued by US exceptionalism.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 17 2021 22:07 utc | 40

@ vk (36)

Your predictions seem very unlikely to me vk, that is obviously not the way the US is heading.
The current US administration is barrelling towards a nuclear holocaust and you are still having Trump = Hitler fantasies, or so it appears.

Posted by: MarkU | Apr 17 2021 22:09 utc | 41

Posted by: NotBob | Apr 17 2021 19:24 utc | 16

Aleister Crowley of all people summed up these kind of people:

A cunning combination of rat and ape.

Posted by: Ruben Chandler | Apr 17 2021 22:23 utc | 42

When Trump left the Paris Agreement China saw a once in a lifetime opportunity, so they picked up the ball as the global leader and ran with it. They're not giving it back to the US any time soon.

Posted by: One Too Many | Apr 17 2021 22:24 utc | 43

Maybe the point is to lose? The current political class running the US loathes the average American, and it matters not what side of the isle you sit on. They hate us. They also have their assets squirreled away offshore. One question to ask is our demise something the international financial class wants for their reset or one world?

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Apr 17 2021 22:25 utc | 44

Posted by: Paco | Apr 17 2021 20:30 utc | 28

I translated that to say

"Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap"

Posted by: arby | Apr 17 2021 22:47 utc | 45

Bellingcat is in the middle of the GRU/Czech arms depot explosion story from 2014 - now being described as "defacto act of Russian state terrorism on a NATO soil."

It appears the GRU were following closely a movement of arms from the Czech depot to a Bulgarian middleman, meant to be then delivered to Ukraine. The explosion is now attributed to the GRU because of the Petrov/Boshirov ID, and their presumed signature ineffectiveness failing to destroy the arms cache and later failing to kill the Skripals.

Also reports now that the GRU have a super-villain lair in the French Alps

Posted by: jayc | Apr 17 2021 22:59 utc | 46

One question to ask is our demise something the international financial class wants for their reset or one world?

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Apr 17 2021 22:25 utc | 44

I guess we should just see when there's large movement of patents and technologies transfers to the next capital finance powerhouse. As it is right now i can see US financial elite are doing everything it can to keep their monopolies and current order as is trying to sabotage emerging China+Russia led new economic initiatives.
The US moneyed elites would like it very much at home where they don't have to fear forceful government crackdown on themselves and having their wealth seized.
Just remind you that Venezuelan gold are swiped by it's local British government as soon as they have the pretext. It can happen to them too in China and Russia where local prominent houses already emplaced in position of power.

My guess is they got too used to game the Democratic process in the US that they do not want it to come back functional anytime soon without minding too much of the long term effects of dumbed down populaces.

Posted by: Lucci | Apr 17 2021 23:11 utc | 47

'we have to do something about your pollution....but it is Ok for Japan to dump nuclear waste in the Ocean'???? WTF

Posted by: Grant | Apr 17 2021 23:21 utc | 48

Posted by: jayc | Apr 17 2021 22:59 utc | 46

A super-villain lair in the French Alps. Getting more and more like a James Bond Film.

The Spy Who Loved Me, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, take your pick.
Western spooks they think they are James Bond when in reality they are Mr. Bean, Inspector Jacques Clouseau with a touch of Pussy Galore, a bunch of incompetent gangsters. There are certainly a lot of plates in motion. Hope none of them are dropped. Poor old Kim Jong-un, he must feel left out. Time for him to roll out the latest ICBM, most likely at the start of a long weekend. North Korea, ruining military analyst's long weekends since 1953!

Posted by: Tom | Apr 17 2021 23:25 utc | 49

More on the assassination attempt on Lukashenko and his family. Oh to be a fly on the wall listening to that conversation.

BREAKING: Lukashenko says Putin-Biden talked about US-led assassination plot on the Belarusian president. Lukashenko says he’s thankful for Putin because he called out Joe Biden on the assassination plot on the phone when Biden and Putin spoke. No further info.

Biden reportedly replied with “gurgling and no answer”

Don't know if that is true, but as the Italians say (with a touch of Biden) makes for a good story. Anyway.

I can't wait for Bellingcrap to take a dump on this story.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 17 2021 23:53 utc | 50

@ Bernard F. | Apr 17 2021 21:21 utc | i never saw pat lang in action before!! i am mildly curious about his memoirs...

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 23:56 utc | 51

tom @ 40 is probably correct...

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 23:58 utc | 52

@ 28 paco.... that's great... maybe they can get a marketing line in hollywood too! that is if washington isn't too busy milking them for all they're worth!

Posted by: james | Apr 18 2021 0:01 utc | 53

@ 32 tom... if i was making the next james bond flick, i would hire them!

Posted by: james | Apr 18 2021 0:02 utc | 54

Meanwhile in another place the tail of the Empire of Chaos is causing trouble, Russia is answering by moving some pieces on the chess board to head off Netanyahu's drive to war. Netanyahu is not happy. He'll have to go back to murdering Palestinians children and stealing their future. The wrong kind of children for Blinken and Albright to care about.

Russia and Iran setup mission to secure supply shipments to Syria. Recent Iranian oil shipment to Syria was protected by Russian warships against Israeli and US sabotage, Russian media confirms this will continue with next shipments.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 0:04 utc | 55

isn't it time for someone to come down with a case of ''military grade'' novichok chemical weapon poisoning?? next shoe to drop... i too could get a gig at the cia!

Posted by: james | Apr 18 2021 0:04 utc | 56

Not that anyone cares about Ukraine people (other than anti-Russian cannon fodder) but it seems to me that the key to fixing the nation is a Night of the Long Knives against the Neo Nazis. It appears that they have complete veto power to stop any move towards peace and reason.

Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 18 2021 0:19 utc | 57

Dear All:

Ambassador (ret.) Chas Freeman on US-China relations (war is a distinct possibility)

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 18 2021 0:27 utc | 58

The USA certainly seems to be in some sort of self-destructive spiral. The MSM has been the key to holding things together through all the deceptions and false flags maintaining the public belief that the establishment are somehow the good guys. This must be approaching an end point soon as thousands of conservative Americans know they were cheated on in the elections and with each new false flag another portion of the population become more skeptical of the official line and less gullible regarding the lies disseminated by CNN BBC etc.
As the Covid19 situation unfolds into an endless train-wreak, with the Vaccines not providing a solution and non promotion of the real solutions by TPTB more and more people will become skeptical that their governments are acting in their interests. (The real solution to Covid19 is the use of Ivermectin, protectively and at all stages of infection and a focus on increasing Vitamin D levels throughout the population)
The attempts by the West to destabilise Russia and China in Ukraine and Xinjiang will hopefully eventually add to the public disbelief of the official narrative.
The world should be extremely grateful for Vladimir Putin and his team for their unflappable restraint. I know I am.
The confronting of Biden by Putin, with the US attempt to assassinate the President of Belarus, a few days after Biden called Putin a killer, must go down in history as one of the greatest ironies of all time. Will the greater public ever get to hear about it from our overhyped news services. No!
This could be described as the "Banality of Evil". The MSM reporters just reporting the official line with no real debate, while the world teeters at a few minutes in midnight on the Nuclear Clock.
Russia and China need to up their game regarding the news media. Provide western audiences with genuinely truth seeking interviewers of politicians and public figures and hold them to account. Public debates between the opposing viewpoints so we are not just subject to the official propaganda that is all the MSM gives us now. Maybe they would say, why should we bother we have more important things to spend money on, and I would understand that.
Finally, MOA has my undying gratitude for providing what should be provided by the News Media. Intelligent commentary and debate about world events as the old empire disintegrates and other powers arise with a more truly humanitarian outlook.
Kia Kaha MOA
Kia Kaha Vladimir Putin

Posted by: Ike | Apr 18 2021 0:30 utc | 59

@James, novichok works fine on non-Russians. Russia didn’t try to kill Navalny and the Skripals, just wanted to test them for Russian DNA. Dawn Sturgess was never supposed to die.

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 18 2021 0:33 utc | 60

Mr. Eighthman

Mr. Putin and those who come after him will nibble at Ukraine until only the last West-most heavily-Catholic oblasts remain of Ukraine.

It is a shame that a UN member is being destroyed, yet again, by the Super-powers. (Ukraine had sent the largest medical contingent to Iran during the rescue operations after the Bam earthquake.)

Americans set in motion the process of the destruction of this Border-land country, I trust the Russians to finish it.

The moral of this for Iran is that she needs to emulate North Korea.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 18 2021 0:35 utc | 61

Thank you b

I am more inclined to say HAS failed. These neocons are a mighty crazed flock of galahs - all noise, erratic flapping about and no system.

Galahs have no chance against a Russian eagle.

NEO has the 'strategy nailed'.

Now that we’ve established who the aggressor is, let’s take a look at Tsereteli’s and Carafano’s next brilliant takeaway point. The dynamic duo of war strategies says cosmetic measures against Russia will not do! The “west” (meaning NATO), they say, needs a more clear strategy. Which certainly means a massive arms buildup west of the Siverskyi Donets River. The Zelensky government is being pushed from Washington to take even more drastic measures to force Russia into a war stance. The editorial board of the Washington Post recently advised Zelensky:

“Mr. Zelensky now has the opportunity to forge a partnership with Mr. Biden that could decisively advance Ukraine’s attempt to break free from Russia and join the democratic West. He should seize on it.”

So, now that we’ve shown who is doing the pushing here, let’s turn to the final takeaway from Heritage Foundation master strategists. Tsereteli and Carafano come right out and say “countries left outside of NATO will remain targets of Russian aggression and manipulations.” So, the purpose of all this supposed spread of militaristic-based democracy is to expand NATO to? I mean, seriously. Washington is not reaching out with the Peace Corps to shore up a budding Eastern European democracy. The United States is kidnapping another former Soviet republic on the way to the big score. My country has military bases in almost every country in the world, has had more wars than the Mongols, and spends more on weapons than everybody else combined – but Russia is being aggressive!

Who believes this bullshit?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 18 2021 0:52 utc | 62

After 20 years of regular interaction with Amerikastanis online and in real life, I have realised that they live in a parallel universe in which Hollywood is the arbiter of truth. They genuinely believe that anything they choose to imagine is the truth just because they imagine it.

A couple of days ago when the Imperialist States admitted its "Russia Bounty" story was concocted, the people who had shrieked to the skies about it last year had a chance to apologise. Did they? They ignored it. It did not happen because they chose to believe it didn't.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 18 2021 0:55 utc | 63

Tough day for diplomats. "Russia’s Federal Security Service has detained an official from the Ukrainian consulate in Saint Petersburg. The high-ranking diplomat was nabbed during a meeting with a Russian citizen who allegedly provided him with secret data."

“We’ll be working to bring him home soon. Our diplomat has no connection to the activities Russian law enforcement accuse him of,” Ukraine’s Deputy Foreign minister Yevgeniy Yenin told Ukraine 24 TV channel.

He's just a simple, poor deplorable farm boy from Lviv province asking if the FSB have any toilets that need cleaning.

Senior Russian diplomat ordered to leave Kiev
Two groupings of SU-25's moved, one to Crimea another east of Crimea.
15 ships from the Caspian Sea have passed through the Kerch Straight and will join the largest flotilla Russia has had in the Black Sea for at least the last 30 years.
Russia's 76th Guards Air Assault Division has been stationed permanently to Feodosia Crimea.
Ships from all other flotillas, Baltic, Caspian and Northern have there.
Many amphibious ships there with the possibilities for carrying the war behind the front lines.
AWACS moved to Kaliningrad and Rostov on Don.
Has NATO got the memo yet?

Did the Ukraine actually say they want to acquire nuclear weapons? Who is he threatening? Not Russia. That is a red line for them, Ukraine or NATO.

6h Ukraine 4/17/21:
- Senior Russian diplomat in Kyiv ordered to leave within 72 hours.

- Russian Su-25SM3(s) deployed to Crimea.
- Two additional Russian large landing ships have been sent to the Black Sea.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 1:06 utc | 64

The danger here is that the US and the EU vassals push Russia into having nothing to lose. I don't see how NS2 can be finished if Navalny dies. I hope Russia/Putin are working to prevent this, if they can.

Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 18 2021 1:26 utc | 65

The moral of this for Iran is that she needs to emulate North Korea.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 18 2021 0:35 utc | 60

Iran just needs to be true to itself like it has for the last 40 plus years, surviving fighting off the east and the west, both backing Iraq against Iran for eight years in a brutal war where the west provided Iraq with WMD. Russia and Iran don't secretly harbour fantasies of conquest of the other, nor does China. The same can't be said of states that are under the spell of the US, like Turkey, or or the belt of fascist states that run along the Baltic through Poland to the Ukraine.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 1:29 utc | 66

Tom #40

Perhaps stop at the Nazi province border and leave them to unite with their NATO brothers. That way EU has got its kindred spirits in one can.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 18 2021 1:30 utc | 67

@36 vk

Vk, you obviously are making an allusion to what happened with Germany as a result of the Weimar years.

There is a big difference wrt America's coming conservative reckoning. There will be no desire to spread our wings as those in Germany displayed after their humiliation after WW1. We in the U.S. have done it to ourselves, so you are quite wrong in assuming that there will be a fascist empire which sprouts from this reckoning.

On the contrary, we will have our hands quite full rearranging our government and economy to reinvigorate industry and install new laws and regulations which curb the powers of our anational elite, our "dual-citizen (((globalists)))," from ascending to such lofty heights of centralized, federal control. With this curbing of the fed, it is quite likely that an era of isolationism will emerge with the U.S.

So, no, vk. The ride is ending shortly and your precious China will have to be a good-faith bargainer in its region of influence, no longer being able to simultaneously and paradoxically decry Uncle Sambo's aggression abroad while feasting on the offshoring of our industry. The ride had to end sometime.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 18 2021 2:05 utc | 68

Pure speculation but on the spying in St. Petersburg I'm guessing the "Ukrainians" aren't getting whatever answers they want from the US/UK/NATO and then after finally having been told to stop and go away they try to get the answers themselves the hard way.

Guaranteed Russia knows far more about Ukraine than the "Ukrainians" do.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 18 2021 2:20 utc | 69

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 18 2021 1:30 utc | 66

That's my thinking as well. The 1941 borders is what I would go for and whatever is left of the Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia should first be deloused of Nazis and turned into The Grand Duchy of Galicia and Canada's own Princess Christina Alexandra Freeland can retire there to rule over what few serfs are left. She can venture up to the gates of Novorossiya 2.0 but no further, banished forever. But first she has to finish destroying Canada.

Israel has it's "lost" tribe. Golgafrinchan civilization has their lost tribe and then there is Ukraine, Russia's prodigal son which is more like the latter I think.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 2:37 utc | 70

Latter being the Golgafrinchan civilization. (Arthur Dent knows what I'm talking about)

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 2:38 utc | 71

NemesisCalling #67

The ride is ending shortly and your precious China will have to be a good-faith bargainer in its region of influence, no longer being able to simultaneously and paradoxically decry Uncle Sambo's aggression abroad while feasting on the offshoring of our industry. The ride had to end sometime.

"our industry" ?

I see it as the people's industry and it is in the hands of a country that has a similar view. Certainly innovators should enjoy reward and patents paid a use rate but monopolists and trade secrets are fraught concepts where thieves typically abound. China has been innovating and developing from some older US industry science and practice but it has earned all the enjoyment from its own innovation and improvements to process development.

The China ride wont end if the USA stops consuming China industrial output. It will dip momentarily. Other nations currently suffering under the burden of USA sanctions and oppression will start feasting off the fruits of the new world and many will sup at that table and breath fresh air and freedom from global financial capitalism. Come along and make the ride enjoyable for all.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 18 2021 2:48 utc | 72

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 17 2021 20:42 utc | 31

But only two agents for the whole of Europe? They're spread as thin as the Sandbaggers in MI6 were on ITV in the late 70's. (pretty good show in my opinion there was speculation over the death of the writer of the series that he had been an operative for MI6)
Hope they are collecting airmiles.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 2:55 utc | 73

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 18 2021 2:48 utc | 71

Spot on. China, we win win. USA you lose lose.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 2:58 utc | 74

Addendum to my post...

I have never given the credit to China that it deserves for playing our elite so well.

With Biden, I was confused as to why it could be that b and many others here actually believed that Biden would continue a challenging stance towards China.

I'm afraid that this monolithic understanding (lumping U.S. FP vis-a-vis China all through the last three POTUSs, staring with Obama, thru-Trump, and now with Biden) contains a very important error which I was not quick to discover.

Here is the important nuance to realize: Trump went against the globalists by trying to get a better arrangement with China for the U.S.' laborers, its blue collar sector. This meant for all intents and purposes, the beginning of the decoupling.

For a decade or so, ever since the Obama pivot-to-Asia, an unspoken understanding seemed to be emerging that as China was ascending the U.S. was descending, and that there would be a certain point, whether it be called Critical Mass or Last Call or what have you, where China would no longer NEED the U.S.

To get into the micro and macro economics of this question is unnecessary. Suffice to say that the popular kid took a nerd under his belt in exchange for help with his homework, only to have the nerd show up at prom with the popular kid's date with a new physique and as the "big man on campus."

So the "Pivot-to-Asia" was always a time-sensitive mission. When Trump came around, he saw this clearly but differed in his approach to this beguiling problem. Loving America and being Nationalist, Trump was ready to be done with China. For obvious reasons, a change of this magnitude can not happen overnight, nor in four years.

But to the moronic and self-defeating establishment (((globalists))), the Gravy-Train from China will end when they say it will end.

The pressure being exerted on China on the Biden admin, and formerly from the Obama one, is at the behest of white collar admins who sent our manufacturing abroad and who are deathly afraid of the coming decoupling.

Properly understood, definitions of and differences exhibited by Nationalism and (((Globalism))) thus take on a nuance which is of paramount importance, yet otherwise would be shirked for the simple explanation that American FP vis-a-vis China hasn't changed from Obama, thru-Trump, and now at Biden.

With Trump, we at least had a realist, someone who could not explicity tell the truth that China had already won, but tacitly planted the seed of an emerging isolationism which would grow from a crumbling empire.

With Biden, and with Obama behind the curtain, we see a desperate (((globalist))) class which will continue its extortion of China at the behest of the wonderful admin class amongst us, clinging as if to an old girlfriend who in good judgement knew when the relationship had run its course.

All of this to explain the tip of the hat to China. And now one might understand that our (((globalist))) elite here in the states is caught in a terrific pincer, not just from American conservatives at home and Russia abroad, but increasingly also by the specter of the decoupling phenomenon with China which will leave our admin class holding the proverbial bag.

My continued prayer that they accept defeat and retire I offer and will do so until they have been safely removed from power.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 18 2021 3:06 utc | 75

Don't see a lot of cooperation as the day ends.

#Ukraine- UK sending a destroyer & anti-submarine frigate to the Black Sea, saying F-35 fighters and Merlin helicopters on the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth in the Mediterranean Sea will be ready to fly to them in case of threat from Russian ships, submarines or aircraft.

The F-35's from the QE wont reach their ships in the Black Sea before they are sunk, and likely wont have an aircraft carrier to return to, unless they plan to land on the flight deck as the QE sits on the bottom of the Mediterranean. It wouild be a joke except that madman Bojo has his finger on the nukes, that I believe the US has to be in agreement for them to use. If that is the case, saner minds are involved. Oh wait... Team Depends doesn't give one much hope to avoiding tragedy like that the world faced in 1962. Hope NATO isn't expecting another Vasili Arkhipoy to show up. We are on our own. Somebody in NATO has to blink first this time.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 3:18 utc | 76

Anymore Tactic To Wage War?

@ jayc | Apr 17 2021 22:59 utc | 46

Also reports now that the GRU have a super-villain lair in the French Alps

DW news link is from 2019. so why now?
French Alps + Bellingcat + Petrov/Boshirov!

Remember "le massacre de Chevaline" .
Wikipedia is usefull for a first look in english

I try to connect some dots, and to be back later. I appreciate your contributions.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 18 2021 3:50 utc | 77


Yes, yes...I spent some time amongst the Golgafrichan's. They used leaves for currency and torched the forests to fight inflation. Methinks "The Great Reset" is analogous to Ark B.

Ultimately the Golgafrichan's brought about their own demise ridding themselves of the useless eaters...but I digress, time for a bath.

Posted by: ArthurDent | Apr 18 2021 4:01 utc | 78

@ Bernard F. | Apr 17 2021 21:21 utc | i never saw pat lang in action before!! i am mildly curious about his memoirs...
Posted by: james | Apr 17 2021 23:56 utc | 50

I used to lurk at SST on a weekly basis and Patriot Pat was really crotchety and pissed-off with irritating comments & commenters and getting ready to abandon Blogging.
Then along comes Sleepy Joe and Patriot Pat sheds 40 years of ageing, overnight, archives SST, and launches Turcopolier to become almost reckless/revolutionary and then begins Raging Against the Machine to which he devoted his entire Professional Life.
When someone like Patriot Pat smells a rat, AmeriKKKa is in deep do-do. Imo.
And I'd bet he's not the only old-hand horrified by what's happening.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 18 2021 4:38 utc | 79

Hoarsewhisperer #78

Speaking of old hands your post prompted me to check in on the old right wing war whore Steve Pieczenic. He is a Trumper through and through and I keep an eye on his posts but he has been in mourning since Trump fell off the wall.

Well here he is on Ukraine, Putin, deadshit Biden etc. 5 minutes of spleen and self aggrandising but then he is well conneted ;)

By the way Steve is jewish too so pour a drink and listen to this absolute take down.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 18 2021 5:00 utc | 80

@15 Mao Cheng Ji
you can`t even consider the possibility that the Czech government might have it`s won reasons to do such a thing, can you?

In fact until most ecently the Czech Republic used to be one of the more pro-Russia leaning countries of Europe (together with Hungary). Something serious must have happened otherwies Praque wouldn`t have changed course so drastically.

@60 Fyi
You are probably the only person on earth who sees North Korea as a model of success.

Posted by: m | Apr 18 2021 5:02 utc | 81

Posted by: ArthurDent | Apr 18 2021 4:01 utc | 77

The big question, did the Golgafrichan rely on public or private financing? Asking for a friend ( psychohistorian )!

Posted by: Tom | Apr 18 2021 5:27 utc | 82

While the biggest build up of Russian versus NATO-Ukraine forces on the Ru-Ukr border since the late 1980s is occurring, Biden gives a national address to the nation where he failed the teleprompter test and called Putin “Cluten” and sanctions “vaccines”.

Farcical & frightening at same time.

Posted by: PJB | Apr 18 2021 5:35 utc | 83

This is starting to resemble the system of alliances that proceeded WW1. Now Australia is openly contemplating war with China over Taiwan. This from, behind the paywall, Australian Financial Review: Sources have told AFR Weekend that the Australian Defence Force was planning for a potential worst-case scenario if the United States and China clashed over Taiwan, prompting debate over the scope and scale of Canberra’s contribution to what would be an unprecedented conflict in the region.
Options include contributing to an allied effort with submarines, as well as maritime surveillance aircraft, air-to-air refuellers and potentially Super Hornet fighters operating from US bases in Guam or the Philippines, and even Japan.
The intensification has been welcomed as long overdue by seasoned Taiwan watchers, who warn that China’s growing aggression towards the island and the renewed US resolve to help Taipei defend itself could spiral out of control and into a catastrophic open conflict.

Until recently Australia, the US, UK, NZ, EU, Japan, the Philippines, the UN and most of the governments of the world recognised that Taiwan was part of China. Somehow Australia now imagines itself to be in an alliance with Taiwan by osmosis.

Here is one former army officer's view:

Since when has the US and the Anglo/Zionist cabal of captive nations cared about human rights, especially muslim human rights? It is all about power and a fading delusional hegemonic dream.

It looks like a lose lose scenario.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 18 2021 5:42 utc | 84

@ Tom | Apr 18 2021 5:27 utc | 81 who made me go look up Golgafrichan......interesting Douglas Adams trivia

Had to be private with a class structure like reported....gag!

@ Paul | Apr 18 2021 5:42 utc | 83 with a depressing report from Australia...thx

Someone wrote the other day that Australia and Canada need to be occasionally reminded that they are part of the British Commonwealth and not really sovereign nations.

I still don't see a shooting war. Who is stupid enough to invade Taiwan or China?...or Russia.....or Iran....or Venezuela....or North Korea or ???

I sense that we are going to go through a period where what we see as the public is conflicted and fearsome words and posturing of troops, interruptions of the internet, more cyber warfare and the financial warfare segment just begun.

It may be hard to track all the pieces literally and figuratively flying around for a bit but hopefully nukes won't be in the mix

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 18 2021 6:02 utc | 85

@ uncle tungsten #79

Thanks for that link and recommendation. Comedy gold.

Posted by: Cortes | Apr 18 2021 6:22 utc | 86

the Angloes both sides of the Atlantic have been the top territorial imperialist vessels of the last 300 years no doubt. Russia did expand but voluntary deflated in 1991 by dissolving the Warshaw pact, to which the NATO never responded in kind. PR China had its biggest expansion in the 1950s in the Himalayas and recently in the South China sea. Homo Sapiens is prone to territorial behavior, can all tribal chiefs control themselves this time around, including on the Internet, the monetary and the financial arenas? Probably not, so therefore an oligopoly of powers would be best to keep some balance and the necessary variety needed for more creativity and progress.

Posted by: Antonym | Apr 18 2021 6:22 utc | 87

As b. wrote

The U.S. power structures in the Pentagon and CIA use the false accusations against Russia and China as pretense for cold military and hot economic wars against both countries

Is that a way/proposal to schrink the Empire "à la Bizantine" ? "that’s for you and the rest (America North+South /West Europa / Middle East /Australien...) for me.
But, at the same time, to protect US currency from sinking.

To schrink the Empire looks like Trumpism's MAGA. But an impaired empire must turn to Feudalism. "Trump+Halley+Pompeo+...." 's method was bullying to submission. "Unfortunately" wasn' t too effective.
Is "Biden's" way an "Ask for Cooperation" or "une fuite en avant" (leap forward?)?
"Biden's" Team was told Anchoraged loud and clear "go f**k yourself" by China, Russia, Iran,...

My opinion : The Deal was exposed and laid bare thanks to Trumpet. R+C+I+... don't buy a new Feudalism. B & R initiative is full throttle on the move.

1/ As wrote JB | Apr 17 2021 19:02 utc | 10
"We need to talk about Germany."

🇩🇪 is still "un nain politique" [political dwarf] but the last remains of EU industrial / R & D capacity.

2/ james | Apr 17 2021 20:18 utc | 23
     Tom | Apr 17 2021 20:55 utc | 32
       jayc | Apr 17 2021 22:59 utc | 46
" Petrov and Boshirov" remakes of Stan&Ollie + "The French Connection".

John Le Carré : "The Looking Glass War", "the story of an incompetent British intelligence agency".
But even a dream can turn nightmare: "I was dreaming I was awake, but I woke up and found meself asleep." (Laurel, Oliver the Eighth)

3/ vk | Apr 17 2021 21:17 utc | 36
OK with Bizantine Phase, but

All these ingredients can only result in the rise of a Fascist Empire, which, in the USA, must also translate into a white supremacist empire

!? Sorry buddy but I don't buy.

4/  Tom | Apr 17 2021 22:07 utc | 40
james | Apr 17 2021 23:58 utc | 51
uncle tungsten | Apr 18 2021 0:52 utc | 61
Disinfection of East Ukrain will be great. But unfortunately not enough. My opinion is Russia will succed in splitting EU from Empire. Not a "GTA 2021" or "CallOnDuty" play. Mix of Russian "Checkmate" and Chinese"go"[wéiqí (围棋 / 圍棋)"
" un peu de patience " it's a long run.

If lucky, a long fun. If not, a short sun (💥)...
Macron is to be fired next Year, Merkel next Fall, Biden is not even sure to finish Spring...
Nobody care their BS anymore.
We keep Xi and Putin for the next 10 years.


5/ Ike | Apr 18 2021 0:30 utc | 58
" dans le mille !"

Finally, MOA has my undying gratitude for providing what should be provided by the News Media. Intelligent commentary and debate about world events as the old empire disintegrates and other powers arise with a more truly humanitarian outlook.
Kia Kaha MOA
Kia Kaha Vladimir Putin

And Thanks to our host for staying tuned, calm and incisive.
MoA help us, perhaps not to change the World but to better swim upstream.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 18 2021 6:27 utc | 88

My romantic partner just got drunk and hit me. I'm not sure what to do.

Posted by: Howdy | Apr 18 2021 6:34 utc | 89

@86 Antonym
There had been nothing voluntary in the downfall of the Soviet empire 1989-1991. Moscow was forced to retreat because it suffered domestic dissolution and break-up.

Posted by: m | Apr 18 2021 6:41 utc | 90

Howdy @88

Ignore their request for a summit in a third country?

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Apr 18 2021 6:43 utc | 91

Posted by: Tom | Apr 17 2021 20:55 utc | 32

That festering shit hole of a country that is called Ukraine can't crash fast enough for me.

I guess that puts you on the same page as the US architects behind the operation, because they too are hoping for a crash. And a burn.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 17 2021 22:07 utc | 40

After disinfecting this part of eastern Europe (again) of that other far more dangerous virus, Nazism, life will be much more peaceful in that part of the world, and likely by the domino effect (yes I actually said that!) to other places in the world plagued by US exceptionalism.

I think you are missing the basic intention of the US. Here is a hardened arsonist on a global rampage. You are in effect suggesting the targeted neighbourhood should react by setting fire to the cars lining the streets. Its own cars. How is that going to improve the situation? If it is vengeance you are hoping for, rest assured that the arsonist would be delighted to provide the matches. He lives halfway across the world.

Posted by: robin | Apr 18 2021 6:50 utc | 92

It may be hard to track all the pieces literally and figuratively flying around for a bit but hopefully nukes won't be in the mix
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 18 2021 6:02 utc | 84

Well, if you spend some time exploring the agonised dual citizens and their mawkish daydreams it'll soon become clear that they're the only people on the planet with an interest in getting AmeriKKKa, Russia and China to obliterate each other.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 18 2021 7:16 utc | 93

@40 Antonym It is a biologist fallacy to attribute political actions to something "homo sapiens" (or any other animal) is "prone". Ruling classes do not follow "territorial" or "tribal" behaviour like dogs or cattle.
Soviet expansion post WWII was due to prior aggression against the USSR, and consisted of hegemony rather than conquest or annexion. The USSR proper was a major shrinkage compared with tsarist Russia.

As to China, the claims for South China Sea stem from the times of Chiang kai Chek's (Jiang Jieshi's) rule, the 9 dash line was proclaimed in 1945, and at that time never challenged by the US or Brits. China proper was never expansionist other than in the times of the Yuan (Mongol) dynasty of Chupilai Khan who tried to conquer Japan and reconquer Annam which the Chinese had given up and accepted as tributary state two centuries ago.

Generally. "expansionism" or "territoriality" of the old empires like the Russian, Chinese, Arab, and Ottoman qualitatively differ from the West European expansionism, starting by the Roman empire. In the further, practically all major tribes and ethnics cohabitated and survived even over millennia. Already the Roman expansion widely wiped out tens of ethnics by deporting into slavery where they widely perished. Western "Christian" expansionism is a non ending story of genocides and destruction of nations and cultures. Not that conquest, be it by Russians, Mongols, Han, or Manchu, or Bantu in Africa, were ever gentle, or free of massacres and abuse. But they widely stopped far before full blown genocide.

It is certainly not "in DNA" of the very diverse Europeans, but very much in the socio-economical circumstances. The Roman Empire was a predatory culture depending on ever swallowing slave labour, and leaving conquered lands to veteran legionnaires and province bureaucrats. Early Spanish and Portuguese conquest of the Americas widely wiped natives, mainly by slave labour for gold, later for plantation products. Native Amerindians became a minority to Hispanics. In North America, natives were reduced to less than 1 million at the start of 20th century, while being about as numerous as central Europeans around 1600.

The hunger for black slaves in the two and a half centuries lasting transatlantic slave trade not only deported up to 20 million Africans, but caused, directly and indirectly, the death of ten to twenty times as many of them through "transport loss", by marches to the slave harbours and camp conditions already, the losses from slave hunts etc. In consequence, Africa, the origin of mankind, was left less populated than Asia despite similar climatic conditions. And that, even though European colonialism and imperialism, and subsequent disruption, started an age of famines in India as well as in China.

There is no way to explain the cause of that explosion of conquest and violence over the last 500 years (described as "The new World Order" by Immanuel Wallerstein) by "homo sapiens behaviour" or "DNA" or other biologist excuses. And though Jared Diamond made a couple of remarkable points about environment and geography in "Guns, Germs, and Steel", he is carefully stepping around the imperialist and capitalist elephant in the room.

Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 18 2021 7:29 utc | 94

@ Tom | Apr 18 2021 2:37 utc | 69

If I was do decide for Russia, I would consider Zelensky's situation right now. He is in an impossible situation. If he orders an attack, the Kiev leadership will be destroyed along with the state. If he retreats, the local nazis will finish him. The present stand-off cannot last forever, so it is a question of time before something falls apart.

Russia used the aggressive move by NATO/Ukraine to perform a judo-like move when they put an overwhelming force along the border, leaving Zelensky and the Kiev state in a hopeless situation with no way out. Time is working for Russia here.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2021 7:43 utc | 95

@m "you can`t even consider the possibility that the Czech government might have it`s won [sic] reasons to do such a thing, can you?"

Sure I can. However, announcing it 30 minutes after the announcement of the (alleged) Belorussian coup arrests is too much of a coincidence. Activation of a contingency cover-up operation seems like the most likely hypothesis.

After all, the Czech thing is not, ostensibly, related to any current events, it's about something that happened in 2014. It would make sense to keep it canned, to be activated at an opportune moment. And thus activating it 30 minutes after the Belarus announcement validates the Belarus announcement. That's what I'm saying.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 18 2021 7:58 utc | 96

Norwegian at 94 says:

"Time is working for Russia here."

Unfortunately, I strongly disagree. Rick Rozoff says here:

"The British training program, Operation Orbital, has trained over 17,500 Ukrainian service members since its inception in 2015. Last year British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace confirmed that the training mission would be extended until 2023. It is explicitly designed to transform the Ukrainian military in order to meet NATO standards: to be a NATO proxy army on Russia’s western border."

To which my own response was:

"I strongly agree with Igor Strelkov: war now is preferable for Russia than (inevitable) war later. I also completely agree with him that the Ukranazi cancer should have been eliminated in 2014, or, failing that, the Donbass armies should have been permitted by the Putinist regime to liberate Slovyansk and Mariupol, or, even better, liberate Odessa and advance to the Dneiper. If that had been done then, there would have been no problem now.

"No wonder the Putinist regime hates him."

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 18 2021 8:14 utc | 97

@Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 18 2021 8:14 utc | 97

"Putinist regime"

You disagree. Fine, I don't see that as an issue. For myself, I'd like to know how Zelensky and the Kiev authorities are supposed to get out of this situation without falling apart. I am guessing that some people in Russia are asking the same question.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2021 8:24 utc | 98

@aquadraht 93

Chimpanzees, Bonobos, Octopuses or dolphins don't have ruling classes despite enlarged brains in their DNA. We have a few things more than them, like self consciousness, strong individuality, egoism and a soul, non of which are fixed in DNA. Evolution is not only physical, or mental. Territoriality our egos kept. We are just the best puppets for various emotional & meme forces to play with and the mightier that human the more bang for the buck (Jeff Bezos, Xi Jinping). In this there is no difference between an American, Russian, Chinese etc. adult.

Posted by: Antonym | Apr 18 2021 8:34 utc | 99

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 18 2021 7:58 utc | 96

And what you say seems to be corroborated by the MSM reaction, our local "paper of reference" talks about Petroff&Boshiroff and nothing to say about Belarus. Propaganda Яus, the great domain of the empire.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 18 2021 8:56 utc | 100

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