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April 01, 2021

"America Is Back" Collides With A Multipolar Reality

The World Health Organization recently published its report on the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus which has caused the Covid-19 pandemic. Most scientist agree that the virus is of zoonotic origin and not a human construct or an accidental  laboratory escape. But the U.S. wants to put pressure on China and advised the Director General of the WHO, Tedros Adhanom, to keep the focus on China potential culpability. He acted accordingly when he remarked on his agency's report:

Although the team has concluded that a laboratory leak is the least likely hypothesis, this requires further investigation, potentially with additional missions involving specialist experts, which I am ready to deploy.

The U.S. State Department fetched the pass and ran with it. It asked its allies to sign on to its Joint Statement on the WHO-Convened COVID-19 Origins Study which requests more unhindered access in China:

The Governments of Australia, Canada, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Israel, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, the Republic of Korea, Slovenia, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America remain steadfast in our commitment to working with the World Health Organization (WHO), international experts who have a vital mission, and the global community to understand the origins of this pandemic in order to improve our collective global health security and response. Together, we support a transparent and independent analysis and evaluation, free from interference and undue influence, of the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. In this regard, we join in expressing shared concerns regarding the recent WHO-convened study in China, while at the same time reinforcing the importance of working together toward the development and use of a swift, effective, transparent, science-based, and independent process for international evaluations of such outbreaks of unknown origin in the future.

The most interesting with the above statement is the list of U.S. allied countries which declined to support it,

Most core EU countries, especially France, Spain, Italy and Germany, are missing from it. As is the Five-Eyes member New Zealand. India, a U.S. ally in the anti-Chinese Quad initiative, also did not sign. This list of signatories of the Joint Statement is an astonishingly meager result for a U.S. 'joint' initiative. It is unprecedented. It is a sign that something has cracked and that the world will never be the same.

The first months of he Biden administration saw a rupture in the global system. First Russia admonished the EU for its hypocritical criticism of internal Russian issues. Biden followed up by calling Putin a 'killer'. Then the Chinese foreign minister told the Biden administration to shut the fuck up about internal Chinese issues. Soon thereafter Russia's and China's foreign ministers met and agreed to deepen their alliance and to shun the U.S. dollar. Then China's foreign minister went on a wider Middle East tour. There he reminded U.S. allies of their sovereignty:

Wang said that expected goals had been achieved with regard to a five-point initiative on achieving security and stability in the Middle East, which was proposed during the visit.

"China supports countries in the region to stay impervious to external pressure and interference, to independently explore development paths suited to its regional realities," Wang said, adding that the countries should "break free from the shadows of big-power geopolitical rivalry and resolve regional conflicts and differences as masters of the region."

Wang's tour was topped off with the signing of a game changing agreement with Iran:

Suffice to say, the China-Iran pact deeply is embedded within a new matrix Beijing hopes to create with the Arab states of the Persian Gulf and Iran. The pact forms part of a new narrative on regional security and stability.

The "U.S. led rules based international order" is finally finished. Russia and China buried it:

Countries in Asia and further afield are closely watching the development of this alternative international order, led by Moscow and Beijing. And they can also recognise the signs of increasing US economic and political decline.

It is a new kind of Cold War, but not one based on ideology like the first incarnation. It is a war for international legitimacy, a struggle for hearts and minds and money in the very large part of the world not aligned to the US or NATO.

The US and its allies will continue to operate under their narrative, while Russia and China will push their competing narrative. This was made crystal clear over these past few dramatic days of major power diplomacy.

The global balance of power is shifting, and for many nations, the smart money might be on Russia and China now.

The obvious U.S. countermove to the Russian-Chinese initiative is to unite its allies in a new Cold War against Russia and China. But as the Joint Statement above shows most of those allies do not want to follow that path. China is a too good customer to be shunned. Talk of human rights in other countries might play well with the local electorate but what counts in the end is the business.

Even some U.S. companies can see that the hostile path the Biden administration has followed will only be to their detriment. Some are asking the Biden gang to tone it down:

[Boeing] Chief Executive Dave Calhoun told an online business forum he believed a major aircraft subsidy dispute with Europe could be resolved after 16 years of wrangling at the World Trade Organization, but contrasted this with the outlook on China.

“I think politically (China) is more difficult for this administration and it was for the last administration. But we still have to trade with our largest partner in the world: China,” he told the U.S. Chamber of Commerce Aviation Summit.

Noting multiple disputes, he added: “I am hoping we can sort of separate intellectual property, human rights and other things from trade and continue to encourage a free trade environment between these two economic juggernauts. ... We cannot afford to be locked out of that market. Our competitor will jump right in.”

Before its 737 MAX debacle Boeing was the biggest U.S. exporter and China was its biggest customer. The MAX has yet to be re-certified in China. If Washington keeps the hostile tone against China Boeing will lose out and Europe's Airbus will make a killing.

Biden announced that "America is back” only to be told that it is no longer needed in the oversized role that it played before. Should Washington not be able to accept that it can no play 'unilateral' but will have to follow the real rules of international law we might be in for some interesting times:

Question: Finally, are you concerned that deteriorating international tensions could lead to war?

Glenn Diesen: Yes, we should all be concerned. Tensions keep escalating and there are increasing conflicts that could spark a major war. A war could break out over Syria, Ukraine, the Black Sea, the Arctic, the South China Sea and other regions.

What makes all of these conflicts dangerous is that they are informed by a winner-takes-all logic. Wishful thinking or active push towards a collapse of Russia, China, the EU or the U.S. is also an indication of the winner-takes-all mentality. Under these conditions, the large powers are more prepared to accept greater risks at a time when the international system is transforming. The rhetoric of upholding liberal democratic values also has clear zero-sum undertones as it implies that Russia and China must accept the moral authority of the West and commit to unilateral concessions.

The rapidly shifting international distribution of power creates problems that can only be resolved with real diplomacy. The great powers must recognize competing national interests, followed by efforts to reach compromises and find common solutions.

Russia's president Vladimir Putin has repeatedly asked for a summit of leaders of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council:

Putin argued that the countries that created a new global order after World War II should cooperate to solve today's problems.

"The founder countries of the United Nations, the five states that hold special responsibility to save civilisation, can and must be an example," he said at the sombre memorial ceremony.

The meeting would "play a great role in searching for collective answers to modern challenges and threats," Putin said, adding that Russia was "ready for such a serious conversation."

Such a summit would be a chance to work on a new global system that avoids unilateralism and block mentality. As the U.S. is now learning that its allies are not willing to follow its anti-China and anti-Russia policies it might be willing to negotiate over a new international system.

But as long as Washington is unable to recognize its own decline a violent attempt to solve the issue once and for all will become more likely.

Posted by b on April 1, 2021 at 17:52 UTC | Permalink

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b writes "Most scientist agree that the virus is of zoonotic origin and not a human construct or an accidental laboratory escape."

The certainty of "Most scientists agree" is unsupported by the WHO document or by the facts. It is doubtful that there will ever be a satisfactory explanation of how the corona virus came into existence.

Posted by: d | Apr 1 2021 18:09 utc | 1

I agree with all the criticism of arrogant hostile rhetoric, bullying, all that.

But on the technical question: is it really possible to ascertain with any degree of certainty whether this virus originated from nature or a lab? Not that it matters, necessarily.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 1 2021 18:16 utc | 2

The EU handling of the vaccine supply has also caused splits within the EU. Many countries including Austria, Hungary and Czech republic are going to be using the Sputnik vaccine despite it not being approved by the EMA. This is a definite ite deplomatic win for Russia and further shows that these countries will no longer sacrifice national interest when ordered to do so.

Posted by: Orage | Apr 1 2021 18:26 utc | 3

"India, a U.S. ally in the anti-Chinese Quad initiative, also did not sign"
- Modi is confused and don't think he has the ability or interest to grasp the geopolitical situation and the reality that India need to maintain peaceful relationship with the large powerful neighbor, except may be when someone informed advises him, but soon come to face with the numerous west influenced personnel he goes back to square one.
My sense is that even the Russians - who were trying to advise sense into Modi & Co have lost hope. Even does Iran, they would just wait for the Modi & team's time to pass..

Posted by: Seeji | Apr 1 2021 18:30 utc | 4

Wow!
No wonder you needed a week off to assemble all of these diverse and conflicting ideas into some kind of logical sequence, b. Imo, it was worth the effort and your conclusions have a comforting resonance.
This is undoubtedly the New Reality.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 1 2021 18:32 utc | 5

"Most scientists agree ..."

Science is not about consensus. It is about what can be proved with a repeatable experiment.

Posted by: ian | Apr 1 2021 18:35 utc | 6

@ian | Apr 1 2021 18:35 utc | 6

Thank you, you are exactly right. Science is not determined by voting.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 1 2021 18:36 utc | 7

Good for New Zealand and PM Jacinda Ardern. Too bad Canada doesn't have that kind of backbone or sovereignty under Justin.

I suspect under Pierre Elliot Trudeau, and also Jean Chretien, Canada would have exhibited some backbone and sovereignty like New Zealand, nor would they have so foolishly fallen for the US trap of detaining the Huawei CFO and ruining Canada's trade opportunities with China.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Apr 1 2021 18:53 utc | 8

The Eurofags are a lost cause, they will helplessly do whatever US demands no matter what.

Posted by: Mikhas | Apr 1 2021 18:54 utc | 9

Strong stuff coming from China. Whether this is a new phase, it certainly seems like the Chinese see it this way. Can't see Biden and his buddies going for a reasonable sensible conversation about the future. Looks like a 'when not if' situation. And of course it is so obvious that China holds all the cards, if only US could wake up and see what are the possibilities.

Posted by: aniteleya | Apr 1 2021 19:01 utc | 10

thanks b... i think the usa has to adapt to a different role... it is going to take some work, but they will either figure it out, or be forced by external and internal realities that demand a change.... the hopey changey president talked about hope and change.. here we are however many years or usa presidents later and the usa continues to slip on the world stage.. if covid wasn't enough, having a new leader who seems very old probably doesn't help... the usa needs to get out of the rut it has made for itself on the world stage and adapt a new role... it is going to take work.... glad to see some of the euro countries see the writing on the wall... however, i wish the other lap dogs would pick up all the cues available and start forging there on role of independence here too..

Posted by: james | Apr 1 2021 19:02 utc | 11

"The U.S. State Department fetched the pass and ran with it. It asked its allies to sign on to its Joint Statement on the WHO-Convened COVID-19 Origins Study which requests more unhindered access in China:"

I wonder if the State Dept has woken up to the fact that this lame-duck pronouncement can be equally, and MORE legitimately, aimed at mendacious, unprincipled AmeriKKKa? So long as the dumbass Yankees keep breathing life into the notion that Covid is a man-made virus then AmeriKKKa should be prepared to PROVE that it wasn't Made In USA.
It's more than a little interesting that many of its ex-allies seem to feel the same way i.e. that AmeriKKKa would be a much more likely culprit than China.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 1 2021 19:04 utc | 12

#6 and 7 Ian and Norwegian
Have you ever heard the saying "Science advances one funeral at a time"? "Science" is a human activity, so of course we can't just dismiss the consensus of what scientists in relevant fields believe as somehow being different from "science". The thing that differentiates "science" from some other sorts of intellectual activity is that science has some self correcting mechanisms which help over time to move the consensus views of scientists closer to something more closely resembling a more "objective" view of reality. The need for independently conducted experiments is one of these self correcting mechanisms, as is professional advancement and prestige conferred on scientists who successfully challenge a previously held scientific consensus.

Posted by: Fnord13 | Apr 1 2021 19:15 utc | 13

It's always interesting how folks can mistrust, disbelieve and reject anything 'your' government says as a lie/propaganda/misinfo etc - but the vast majority of people swallow the Covid debacle hook line and sinker.

The main point however that the USA has a knee on its own neck is correctomundo.

Posted by: gottlieb | Apr 1 2021 19:17 utc | 14

Thank you, b! That is such good news about New Zealand breaking free - I am proud of my native land - they did what we so far have not been able to do, broke free of the financial-elite hegemony and set the course for others to follow. Much as they did for women's suffrage and for non-nuclear freedom, two other signposts of independent action. I love your headline, b!

Posted by: juliania | Apr 1 2021 19:18 utc | 15

One thing which separates Russia and China from Western 'thinking' is that the People's Government in each country has rules in place to prevent Billionaires from buying/owning politicians.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 1 2021 19:35 utc | 16

"Most scientist agree that the virus is of zoonotic origin"

Very glad there is *something* I disagree with b about. Don't want to be part of an echo chamber.

Posted by: librul | Apr 1 2021 19:53 utc | 17

librul - curious.. are you implying it is an echo chamber here at moa? sounds like it, but i want to ask directly.. thanks...

Posted by: james | Apr 1 2021 19:56 utc | 18

Hoarsewhisperer @16: "...each country has rules in place to prevent Billionaires from buying/owning politicians."

And denying billionaires the "freedom" to buy the system is what makes those countries "totalitarian".

If you fail to translate from newspeak and forget to account for doublethink then the empire's behavior can get confusing.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2021 19:56 utc | 19

https://www.state.gov/secretary-michael-r-pompeo-at-the-virtual-copenhagen-democracy-summit/

Europe and the China Challenge Speech
Michael R. Pompeo
Copenhagen Democracy Summit
June 19, 2020

"I hope that the Chinese Communist Party will begin to recognize that if they want to rise, if they want to continue to build out their nation, that they need to do so on a Western rule set, a rule set that honors the rule of law and honors freedom and respect for sovereignty."

Yeah. US Govt. crimes and attempted coups is Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Iran, Bolivia, in recent days. Shall we talk about Iraq and the 2 million dead, all on a lie? How about the American war on Vietnam? Bombing Cambodia?

Blah blah blah, republic or democrat politicians, the talking points remain the same, the arrogance is the same. Nothing changes because USA is a two party system, and in foreign policy, a war-profit to the 1% system where every bomb dropped is a profit center.

Yet what have they accomplished? Lost markets, lost time, lost respect (what of it there was), lost opportunities.

Exposed as thugs, hypocrites, devious bullies, bumbling up-themselves pricks.

C'mon man!

Posted by: powerandpeople | Apr 1 2021 20:06 utc | 20

@Posted by: james | Apr 1 2021 19:56 utc | 18

no, am not ... no, am not

Posted by: librul | Apr 1 2021 20:16 utc | 21

Canadian Cents @8

This may be true of Trudeau the 1st, but it's been a long time since LBJ threw Lester Pearson against a wall and called him a sonofabitch.

Canada now seems fully captured by the Western Imperial Oligarchy -- and has destroyed historically friendly relations with China to support a bogus US campaign against Huawei & and doubled down (h/t Chrystia Freeland) on its destruction of cordial relations with the other nuclear super power on our borders: Russia.

What Canada gains in US concessions may simply be a reprieve from being thrown up against a wall again.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Apr 1 2021 20:19 utc | 22

So the US and its various lackeys want more "unhindered" access for so-called WHO officials to go snooping through China's government biological, medical and other science labs? This language sounds familiar: ah, of course, it is the same language the US uses to demand unfettered access for UN inspections officials or OPCW officials in various Middle Eastern nations to look for nuclear or chemical weapons and to provide more excuses for the West to "sanction" nations or soften them up for regime change activities.

Meanwhile the US stays schtumm on what happened at its Fort Detrick biolab facility in Maryland over early 2019, that led to its closure in August 2019, and whether the activities that violated proper staff and security protocols there had anything to do with an outbreak of severe pneumonia at Greenspring nursing home in northern Virginia, about 70 km downstream of Fort Detrick, in July 2019. Or whether it is merely coincidental that soldiers were training for the World Military Games (held in Wuhan in October 2019) at a sports military facility not far from Fort Detrick when the breaches occurred at the biolab and when the biolab was being shut down.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 1 2021 20:25 utc | 23

Although he is talking about the recent re-vamp of the 'Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf', Sergei Lavrov highlights a very important 'working principal', which puts all this posturing and reshuffling into a practical perspective (the '5 members' are 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council, China, USA, Russia, France, UK):

"I hope that deal will be the forerunner for an agreement to start dialogue with Iran involving external players.

We deliberately designate the five permanent members here. As practice shows, in very diverse conflicts and in different regions, if the five reach a consensus, the rest welcome it.

The consensus of the five almost always reflects a balance of interests not only of these five countries, but also of their allies, partners and most other members of the international community.

That is why we think it is so important to revive the spirit of cooperation among the five, the spirit of Dumbarton Oaks and everything else that the status of permanent members of the UN Security Council and their veto power involves.

That institute was created so that no decisions at the international level could be made if one of these countries objected.

https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/4660109

There are straws in the wind suggesting the unipolar abscess has burst, and once the foul pus is finally drained out, wounds will begin to heal with a polycentric skin.

Posted by: powerandpeople | Apr 1 2021 20:32 utc | 24

US and UK greedy vaccine-grabbing me-first policy is killing thousands of people across EU. No wonder only small potatoes are willing to shit on China due to covid, when the biggest culprits in the current mess are EU, US and UK leadership and their crazy worship of capitalism and liberalism uber alles, and when the main cause of current European suffering is EU being denied vaccines by USUK, when those aren't downright stolen from EU production.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Apr 1 2021 20:33 utc | 25

Very thought provoking b, I wish time off brought me back firing on all cylinders like this!

No doubt vk will chime in here better than I but it surely cannot be a matter of "if America decides". There are historical forces at work in this financialized phase of late capitalism that are not grasped by the US leadership, let alone factored into intelligent policy debates. Biden is an arch-lobbyist for the vested interests which compel the US's unilateral and interventionist foreign policy. I'm quite sure he is incapable of 'deciding' anything (not just mentally but institutionally). But the underlying dynamic of world-historical change is beyond him and his whole country. The die was cast long ago when the Soviet Union fell and the US couldn't help themselves. Junkies for unilateralism since 1989, they will keep shooting up until they OD (Boeing notwithstanding...). I suspect they will end up like the schizoid UK, psychologically unable to accept increasing and humiliating losses of empire until it hits the bottom of the dustbin of History.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 1 2021 20:35 utc | 26

@Posted by: Jen | Apr 1 2021 20:25 utc | 23

The "World Military Games (held in Wuhan in October 2019)"
deserves a long, hard look.

Posted by: librul | Apr 1 2021 20:35 utc | 27

@Fnord13 No, I haven't heard that saying. I'm just getting fed up with people telling me to 'listen to science' without ever presenting any evidence or data. All I'm asking is that in the absence of evidence, people have the intellectual honesty to admit their opinions are conjecture.

Posted by: ian | Apr 1 2021 20:35 utc | 28

Folks, the raising of the question about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 by B was only as an example of u.s. bullying and above all as evidence of the fact that not all poodles bark along to the desired extent. In itself, the question is relatively irrelevant.

The usa is wounded, even if Biden is now making every effort to conceal this fact with pompous announcements, huge investment programmes that make sense in themselves but are unlikely to be passed through parliament. He looks like the Baron von Münchhausen, promising to pull himself out of the swamp by his own hair.

The usa is wounded and that makes it particularly dangerous. B is usually and, unlike me, quite reticent about announcing war. But now he is obviously extremely worried. At a meeting of the Australian Labor Party, the participants were already quite explicitly sworn to a coming war. These are portents.

Posted by: pnyx | Apr 1 2021 20:45 utc | 29

@ Posted by: d | Apr 1 2021 18:09 utc | 1; @ Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 1 2021 18:16 utc | 2

The WHO report uses a strictly scientific language, hence the absence of absolute terms.

But translating from scientific language: for all intents and purposes, it discarded the hypothesis the SARS-CoV-2 came out from a laboratory. It is definitive.

Posted by: vk | Apr 1 2021 20:48 utc | 30

Thanks b. IMO Boeing is finished as a leader of international sales and Airbus will sweep the opportunities up. As for Washington backing down - no chance. These successive administrations are filled with strutting macho tub thumpers all giving the same advice to puppet presidents with some variations in idiosyncrasies and intellectual capacity. They are all obnoxious warmongers and a danger to humanity.

USA upper echelons are programmed to see war as the successful tool for them to win or be glorified. Talks and international meetings with heads of state are performance art and entertainment on the journey to the next war or the escalation of one of their current wars.

Only if the world leaders that seek a more productive path start pushing back in a concerted way will this nation of North America and its lapdogs reconsider and perhaps rethink. I think they will crash and burn before they will agree to change their ways.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 20:49 utc | 31

The Five Eyes white supremacist and ultra religious alliance is the empire which rules the West. It started its existence with the use of two atomic bombs creating a holocaust in each city killing innocent people.

What China and Russia must do is find a way to get these psychopathic ghouls out of power and keep them from using their nuclear weapons on all of civilization.

I'm on their side.

Posted by: Babyl-on | Apr 1 2021 20:49 utc | 32

@Fnord13 | Apr 1 2021 19:15 utc | 13

Have you ever heard the saying "Science advances one funeral at a time"?
Yes, it was Max Planck Science progresses funeral by funeral.

It reflects the fact that "science" is often very dogmatic, paradigms change only with new generations.

"Science" is a human activity, so of course we can't just dismiss the consensus of what scientists in relevant fields believe as somehow being different from "science".

There is science and there is "science". Science builds on the scientific method, whereas "science" relies on consensus, which is just a form of politics.

The Scientific Method-Richard Feynman

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 1 2021 20:50 utc | 33

...
And denying billionaires the "freedom" to buy the system is what makes those countries "totalitarian".

If you fail to translate from newspeak and forget to account for doublethink then the empire's behavior can get confusing.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2021 19:56 utc | 19

Yep. Sums up Western Democracy perfectly.
(Government of the People, by the Rich, for the Rich)

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 1 2021 20:51 utc | 34

Remarkably un-diplomatic language from the so called professional 'diplomats' at the US State Department, which was amplified by the governments of the Captive Nations, so it now resembles a rude demand to the WHO and another crude ultimatum to China to abandon its sovereignty, by design.

Together, we support a transparent and independent analysis and evaluation, free from interference and undue influence, of the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The implication is the WHO investigation was hampered by the above. Otherwise China would be designated as the guilty party, by design.

The US is behaving like an ugly old tart who pretends she still has it.

Bravo New Zealand. She is not to be seduced by the old tart's machinations.


Posted by: Paul | Apr 1 2021 20:52 utc | 35

A quote from Lavrov: ""I hope that deal will be the forerunner for an agreement to start dialogue with Iran involving external players.
We deliberately designate the five permanent members here. As practice shows, in very diverse conflicts and in different regions, if the five reach a consensus, the rest welcome it.

The consensus of the five almost always reflects a balance of interests not only of these five countries, but also of their allies, partners and most other members of the international community.

That is why we think it is so important to revive the spirit of cooperation among the five, the spirit of Dumbarton Oaks and everything else that the status of permanent members of the UN Security Council and their veto power involves.

That institute was created so that no decisions at the international level could be made if one of these countries objected."

I believe the soundest, most honest presentation is that an agreement among the permanent members of the Security Council is accepted, as force majeure, not welcomed. I believe that agreement among the permanent members further is not a balance of interests for everyone. And for the record, an agreement does not necessarily mean a just balance of interests. The spirit of Dumbarton Oaks was, a united front against fascism. The US is for fascism, Russia is *not* against fascism and it's doubtful China is either. The English and French are merely swastika-allergic. Currently the fashion in Germany is to be embarrassed but fashions can change very rapidly. Invoking the spirt of Dumbarton Oaks is vapid and naive at best. More likely it's diversionary, obfuscating. The observation that no action could be taken if a permanent member objected is true enough...but in many respects that's exactly what the situation is now. So what is Lavrov complaining about?

The whole basic notion that a handful of countries are the just arbiters of the fate of all humanity needs some work. Harking back to the popular front with imperialism against its errant fascist brother is not admirable. A consensus of the entire Security Council would be a much better balance of interests. And a majority of the General Assembly actually being able to do something against a Security Council veto by one member would be too.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 1 2021 20:55 utc | 36

I agree with those that highlight the deficiencies of "most scientists agree".

What that may be true, it's the quality of the argument that counts, not the go-along-to-get-along herd mentality.

"Most scientists agree" simply throws a tarp over what US government doesn't want anyone to see or question:

  • continued bio-war research at multiple facilities worldwide;
  • problems at Ft. Detrick (as explained by Jen @Apr1 20:25 @23);
  • military funding for mRNA "vaccines";
  • the failure of Western governments to take effective action against the pandemic virus (including things discussed often at moa: preventative medicines/vitamins; quarantining; and rigorous contact tracing);

  • historical use (USA and UK in particular) of bio-warfare, famine, and nuclear weapons;
  • the hypocrisy of USA's promoting an anti-China conspiracy theory while conducting a campaign against whistle-blowers (like Assange) and denouncing citizen complainers/activists as "conspiracy theorists".

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 1 2021 20:56 utc | 37

Another missing signature on the US document is Saudi Arabia. China's ambassador went to Saudi after signing the Iran agreement. Today US announces withdrawal of several Patriot systems and at least one of the nuclear missile teams from Saudi. I anticipate Saudi purchase of Russian S-400 defense missile batteries this year. Maybe they start selling oil to China for Yuan next year. Hold on to your hats. This is about to get bumpy.

Posted by: solo | Apr 1 2021 20:57 utc | 38

@vk 30 "But translating from scientific language: for all intents and purposes, it discarded the hypothesis the SARS-CoV-2 came out from a laboratory. It is definitive."

I understand it's what they say, but I don't understand how they could arrive at that conclusion. I mean, if something can be produced in nature, it can be produced in a lab, no?

I would understand if they said that they found no evidence that it came out of a lab. Sure. But to 'discarded the hypothesis'? Sounds like bs. Same sort of thing as "false claims of election fraud".

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 1 2021 21:06 utc | 39

Biden is degenerating fast. Faster than even I (who am an optimist) predicted:

Feasibility of Biden’s $2 trillion infrastructure plan uncertain: analysts

US President Joe Biden introduced on Wednesday a $2 trillion plan over eight years in a bid to create millions of jobs in the US through infrastructure investment.

USD 2 trn in 8 years? Common man, stop joking.

Posted by: vk | Apr 1 2021 21:10 utc | 40

@ Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 1 2021 21:06 utc | 39

I understand it's what they say, but I don't understand how they could arrive at that conclusion. I mean, if something can be produced in nature, it can be produced in a lab, no?

No. That's not correct at all. On the contrary: we're still light years away from creating something even near a new life form artificially. That's why breeders still exist, and why women still have to give birth to the babies.

We can alter already existing living things, but we cannot create life. Yet.

I would understand if they said that they found no evidence[...]

"Found no evidence" = "didn't happen"/"it's excluded as a possibility" in the overly courteous a mathematically precise scientific language.

Posted by: vk | Apr 1 2021 21:16 utc | 41

Paul Damascene @22, thanks, I looked up the LBJ/Pearson anectdote and came across this:

https://www.cbc.ca/canadaus/pms_presidents1.html

Apparently it was "You pissed on my rug!". I guess if they update that book and article, they'll include Trump characterizing Justin as "weak and dishonest" - which I would say, based on his 7 years as PM, is blunt but accurate.

I think you're right that any US concessions are just a reprieve. That non-agreement-capable thing. Freeland and Justin don't care, they're looking forward to getting rich after leaving office, like the Clintons, Obama, etc. as a reward for their service to plutocracy.

William Gruff @19, Hoarsewhisperer @16, agreed. That, it seems to me is the root of the problem. Our politicians are for sale to the highest bidders. It's no longer democracy, but full-fledged plutocracy with a veneer of "democracy" that's visibly cracked and flaking off to anyone but the willfully blind.

solo @38, good point. Saudi Arabia also sided with China on Xinjiang:

Importantly, the Crown Prince said Saudi Arabia ‘firmly supports China’s legitimate position on the issues related to Xinjiang and Hong Kong, opposes interfering in China’s internal affairs under any pretext, and rejects the attempt by certain parties to sow dissension between China and the Islamic world.’

Plainly put, Saudi Arabia has undercut the current US campaign against China regarding Xinjiang. It is a snub to the Biden administration.

https://www.indianpunchline.com/the-china-iran-pact-is-a-game-changer-part-i/

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Apr 1 2021 21:18 utc | 42

The WHO recommends AGAINST the use of Ivermectin - betraying the 'developing' world; those poorer countries that do not have access to vaccines; as well as all those people in the world who cannot or will not take the vaccines (from whichever country); as well as all those in desperate need of treatment NOW including tens of thousands of long-suffering long-haulers.

Absolutely brilliant dissection of the WHO's contemptuous dismissal of the efficacy of Ivermectin by Dr Tess Lawrie

You cannot eradicate a pandemic of infectious disease, censorship, propaganda and corruption ... including that of the WHO ... using vaccination only.

The Virus and the Parasite

Posted by: Hemiola | Apr 1 2021 21:20 utc | 43

Fnord13 #13
Norwegian #33

Have you ever heard the saying "Science advances one funeral at a time"?

Yes, it was Max Planck Science progresses funeral by funeral.

I like that saying. Perhaps it is equally applied as:

Pharmaceutical approvals advance one funeral at a time
Pharmaceutical consumption advances funeral by funeral

Raytheon advances funeral by funeral

Peace in Yemen advances funeral by funeral

Usastan advances funeral by funeral

enough! bleak moment.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 21:20 utc | 44

@d "But translating from scientific language: for all intents and purposes, it discarded the hypothesis the SARS-CoV-2 came out from a laboratory. It is definitive."

Forget about the language, how about the evidence? Without that, it's opinion or conjecture.

Posted by: ian | Apr 1 2021 21:51 utc | 45

From b's link to indianpunchline in the opening report and in reference to China's recent diplomatic mission to the middle east and the Iran/China 50 year agreement:

China hopes to anchor its bilateral relationships on this new thinking which provides seamless possibilities to add solid content of great mutual benefit. Thus, an announcement came during Wang’s halt in Abu Dhabi (his destination after Tehran) that the UAE will start producing China’s Sinopharm vaccine next month as the first Gulf state to set up a coronavirus vaccine production facility with initial capacity to make 200 million doses annually, boosting its efforts to become a supply hub to West Asia and Africa.

On the other hand, just before Wang Yi’s arrival in Riyadh, the CEO of Aramco Amin Nasser announced, “Ensuring the continuing security of China’s energy needs remains our highest priority – not just for the next five years but for the next 50 and beyond.” The Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told Wang at the same time that Riyadh is keen “to continuously deepen” the bilateral cooperation” in crude oil, petrochemical, nuclear energy and other energy fields, “while also expanding it into new fields” such as 5G, telecommunication and digital technologies.

By the way, the 155th session of the League of Arab States Council at the level of foreign ministers adopted a China-related resolution on March 3, which reiterated the importance to strengthen China-Arab ties, and announced that Saudi Arabia will be hosting the first Arab-China summit this year. Wang called it an impressive marker and hopes to make the summit “a memorable event in the history of China-Arab relations.”

The US has never before faced from the Soviet Union or its western competitors this sort of challenge that China is posing today by offering to the regional states an altogether new path of development and governance that gives primacy to their national identity as sovereign states, keen to diversify their economies and not merely continue as gas stations for Big Oil.

This sets a new path and China has the capacity in itself to make that path. Consider that China is in partnership with Russia and Iran to forge a new path and that combination could simply snuff out the Usastan candles in the region.

Time will tell but watch the vandal USA empire do everything possible to thwart the Saudi Arabia hosted China/Arab summit later this year. Hysteria and false flags and threats and 'gas attacks' and accidental passenger airline shootdowns etc, etc should be anticipated from Usastan.

The past few years have seen Trump peal the facade from the 'niceties face make up' of the Usastan ghoul and perhaps we will yet be grateful for that as it appears to have led to this year of 2021 and the chance of turnaround.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 21:54 utc | 46

@ Posted by: ian | Apr 1 2021 21:51 utc | 45

Well, exactly. They didn't find any evidence the virus came out from the lab. Therefore it didn't happen from the scientific point of view.

Posted by: vk | Apr 1 2021 22:04 utc | 47


ian | Apr 1 2021 21:51 utc | 45

Would you like to explain what method is used to find evidence of a non-event?

VS

Posted by: VS | Apr 1 2021 22:12 utc | 48

Nice work on pulling all the puzzle pieces together, b!

The really big problem will be weaning the Outlaw US Empire from its addiction to Unilateralism, which is its primary mode of operation aside from a very brief interlude when FDR was POTUS, devised the UN and its Charter, and got the Senate to ratify it so it would become an integral part of the USA's fundamental law of the land. All one need do to see the gravity of the bolded text is to examine the Outlaw US Empire's behavior since FDR died--The USA immediately transformed into the Outlaw US Empire on 22 October 1945 when the UN Charter came into full force and the Empire was already in grave violation of its fundamentals. That those millions of violations have never seen the inside of a courtroom doesn't mean they never occurred or aren't now happening globally.

I was going to post this on the other thread but will use it here as an example that's grave:

"Nord Stream AG Says Warships, Submarines and Helicopters Tried to Disrupt Pipeline's Construction":

"However, it seems that in March threats to the pipeline multiplied and became more 'real'.

"The construction site of Nord Stream 2 has been suffering harassment by various vessels and aircraft in recent months, which nearly led to damage to the pipeline itself, according to Nord Stream AG representative Andrey Minin. He stressed that the disturbances were 'clearly planned and thoroughly prepared provocations,' devised to stop the joint Russian-European project in its tracks." [My Emphasis]

Unilateral Act of War anyone?!! Yes, its the Poles once again.

IMO, it's sad b omitted mentioning the newly formed Friends of the UN Charter Group in his article since it aims at drowning the "Unilateral, rules based international order" once and for all time. My promotion of it isn't going to be enough. If all but the Neoliberal nations become members, then they can jointly aver that there's only one system of international Law and its based on the UN Charter and all relevant treaties thus shutting up the Outlaw US Empire regardless its protests. Of course, a movement within the Empire that says the same as the Friends would go a long ways to getting us where we as humans want to go to--a peaceful planet that's concerned about the wellbeing of humans and all they need for support instead of making the rich ever richer through the terror of unremitting Class War. And if you don't think that War isn't based on Terror, then you haven't seen migrant families busted up with the little kids being kidnapped and all put into concentration camps. (China is beginning to bark up that very inhuman tree watered so well by the Outlaw US Empire.)

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2021 22:22 utc | 49

uncle tungsten @46--

Wow! "Ensuring the continuing security of China’s energy needs remains our highest priority." [My Emphasis]

A "higher priority" than ensuring all sales are conducted in dollars?!

IMO, China offers all the Gulf region nations a much better deal than the Outlaw US Empire, who has never been concerned in helping those nations develop. All those nations are painfully aware that the Hydrocarbon Era is on the wane, and most have done nothing to make their nation sustainable or destratified their polity to neuter political angst that comes from unequal economic status.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2021 22:43 utc | 50

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 1 2021 18:36 utc | 7

Good thing that's not what b was saying, then. Only laws, referendums, corporate board decisions, elections or other binding decisions are done by voting. Nobody ever said that science is.

The only takeaway from b's statement by a reasonable person without an axe to grind is that, at this point, there is little to no evidence that this particular virus came from a lab and a long, documented history of viruses (including coronaviruses) jumping from species to species, including to humans. That "most scientists" (including most epidemiologists) believe that this virus also made the zoonotic jump, isn't something that requires a binding, international vote.

I'm a skeptic by nature, and I've been lied to way too many times to count by the US government. Based on some of my reading, there are some interesting theories and hypotheses regarding this bug escaping (or being intentionally "escaped") from a lab, whether at Fort Detrick or in Wuhan, but there's nothing controversial about stating that for now, there is no hard scientific evidence for that while there is at least some in favor of the natural zoonotic jump and that most scientists currently believe that this mechanism is more likely.

The USG under Trump and now Biden are continuing to use any cynical means at their disposal to jab at China so it's no surprise that they would ignore scientific consensus. Besides, what is this "additional access" they want? That Wuhan lab routinely had American scientists in and out over the years, same with American virology labs having Chinese in and out, and it stands to reason that if any of them who are credible thought SARS COV-2 could have come from a lab they would have said so by now. Instead the language of the WHO report says the lab escape is the "least likely" scenario. Anything the CDC, State Department or other US government agency or cutout says about it should be treated with a high degree of skepticism.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Apr 1 2021 22:45 utc | 51

ian #45

The Fort Detrik lab escape is conjecture.

I have posed that conjecture as certainly worthy of consideration as there is a wealth of circumstantial evidence that points to that lab as being a probable source. I have never said that it IS THE SOURCE but given the repeated local incidence of novel pulmonary disease throughout 2019, there is every reason to include that Fort Detrick lab as a source for serious investigation. They may not have released a modified virus - one of their stock research strains may have escaped. Coronavirus research is intense throughout the world, there are hundreds of papers throughout the decades.

Consider the rash of 2019 vaping illness and death, and other reports of acute pulmonary disease here and there in the USA. Secondly given what we now know of Fort Detrick management failures through its closure there is more evidence of including it in consideration as a source. Especially the repeated failure of its waste liquid treatment prior to discharge in local streams or sewage reticulation systems. This level of environmental willful ignorance and waste mismanagement is commonplace throughout the USA (See DuPont and C8). The USA has an institutionalised disdain for environmental concerns outweighing economic and production imperatives and all the more so in the military - they are exceptional beings.

Then there is the Global Military Games training that is coincident with the coronavirus incubation delay to Covid-19 infection. Add the extraordinary poor performance of that team as discussed here some time ago by oldmicrobiologist. This indicates a strong probability to the conjecture that the USA military games team carried it to Wuhan and succumbed there and distributed it through the nearby market that they visited prior to going to the Wuhan hospital for treatment.

It all adds up to a large compendium of circumstantial evidence worthy of mighty detailed analysis. That is what is needed not cursory dismissal as not 'supported by science'. There is an exceeding large compendium of evidence here and NO SCIENCE applied to investigate. Hiding behind the 'no science' figleaf is BS.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 22:47 utc | 52

Posted by: ian | Apr 1 2021 21:51 utc | 45

Well, the converse is that there is currently no credible evidence that the virus did escape from a lab. That is, unless I've missed it. As I said at #51, I've seen some interesting theories; some of them compelling. But at this point, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think there's ANY evidence for the lab theory.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Apr 1 2021 22:48 utc | 53

@ Posted by: d | Apr 1 2021 18:09 utc | 1;
@ Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Apr 1 2021 18:16 utc | 2, 39
@ Posted by: vk | Apr 1 2021 20:48 utc | 30, 41, 47
@ Posted by: ian | Apr 1 2021 21:51 utc | 45, 48

The WHO report is far from definitive, both of suspect influence and concluding only that the virus is not lab-modified. But the US-funded research at Wuhan lab collected virus variants, and researched only increasing its deadliness in Wuhan) because that was prohibited in US labs) and made no effort to find a vaccine. They probably selected and cu;tivated the most-deadly zoonotic variant to use as a covert weapon, as the US has done with many BW weapons, and released it nearby as a weapons test. Of course China could have done the same, but the US was doing that research right there

Posted by: Joe | Apr 1 2021 22:49 utc | 54

karlof1 #50

Maybe the Chinese can trade their wad of US treasury bonds for Arab oil and then better stuff for Iran oil.

I am only guessing that a nation can trade those bonds but it is a good way of shedding them while testing their real value.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 22:51 utc | 55

uncle tungsten @55--

I'd treat those bonds as toxic, which is what the world's nations are doing as most T-bills are now bought by the Fed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2021 23:01 utc | 56

Can anyone shed some more light on this report?

Researchers came to this conclusion after the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from residents in nine states. They found evidence of coronavirus antibodies in 106 out of 7,389 blood donations. The CDC analyzed the blood collected between Dec. 13 and Jan. 17.

The presence of antibodies in a person's blood means they were exposed to a virus, in this case the coronavirus, and that their body's immune system triggered a defensive response.

Researchers found coronavirus antibodies in 39 samples from California, Oregon, and Washington as early as Dec. 13 to Dec. 16. They also discovered antibodies in 67 samples from Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin in early January — before widespread outbreaks in those states.

Does anyone know what methods were used to test for the antibodies and how accurate those methods are? How about specific to SARS CoV2? Is there any reason to believe that these are all or mostly false positives? If not then what does this revision to the "official" timeline say about the official story that it started in Wuhan? Also, what if future testing reveals even earlier instances in the USA and other countries?

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/01/940395651/coronavirus-was-in-u-s-weeks-earlier-than-previously-known-study-says

Posted by: _K_C_ | Apr 1 2021 23:05 utc | 58

@Jen, 23,

Not to mention the US government's pandemic exercise "Crimson Contagion" which ran from January to August 2019 and which was built, coincidently, around an infectious coronavirus coming from a wet market in China.

Posted by: cirsium | Apr 1 2021 23:09 utc | 59

_K_C_

Many governments retain sewage samples for years for precisely these reasons. I have no idea what regime is in place in the USA but it would be a mighty handy reference source. I recall Italy did an analysis of their indexed hoard of samples and discovered surprises as well.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 23:22 utc | 60

karlof1 #56

I'd treat those bonds as toxic, which is what the world's nations are doing as most T-bills are now bought by the Fed.

Something about drowning in your own juice...

On the broader subject of China and the middle east it is refreshing and interesting to note that they advocated for a nuclear weapons free zone. That would have the pigeons in a flap. I will be watching that proposal over year and see if it gets high priority on the Saudi hosted conference later this year. Such a proposition would totally unravel Netanyahoo and his bogus alliances with the various gulf states.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 23:28 utc | 61

Looting is what the USA does everywhere it goes.

Syrian people need their wheat to just survive but the war criminal repeatedly steals it.

Starvation via military invasion and looting is a war crime.

"Though the Biden forces dismantled their illicit military base at the silos, in February, the criminal American troops have returned several times, to empty the grain, so many times that it might be convenient to create a template and just fill in the dates. Between mid- and late March, the American war criminals pillaged 112 truckloads of Syria’s wheat from this facility."

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 23:33 utc | 62

Lula's full speech after being declared innocent so here is an excerpt but it is a good speech to consider in full.

Well, it’s been nearly three years since I left this union to turn myself in to the Federal Police. Obviously, I went against my will, because I knew they were arresting someone innocent. Many of those who are here today didn’t want me to give myself up.

I made the decision to turn myself in because it wouldn’t be right for a man at my age, a man whose history is intertwined with your history, to appear on newspaper covers and on television as a fugitive...

...So, if there is someone who has the right to be hurt about the lashes, that’s me. I’m not. People think that after the lashes, you just put some salt and pepper and the person will heal over time. No matter the scars that people carry.

I know I was the victim of the greatest legal lie ever told in 500 years of history. And that my wife, Marisa, died because of the pressure, making the CVA come earlier.

I was even prohibited from visiting my brother in his coffin, because they made the decision to take me to São Paulo, to take me to the 2nd Army barracks in Ibirapuera, and my brother, from his coffin would visit me. And they even said that no pictures could be taken.

So, if there is any Brazilian who is right to be feeling deep sorrows, that’s me. But I’m not. Sincerely, I’m not because the suffering the Brazilian people are going through, the suffering the poor people are going through in this country is infinitely bigger than any crime committed against me. Bigger than any pain I felt when I was arrested at the Federal Police.

Because there is no sharper pain for a man or a woman in any country in the world than waking up in the morning and not knowing whether they’ll be able to have a coffee and some bread and butter. There is no bigger pain for a human being than arriving home for lunch and not having a plate of beans and cassava flour to give to a child. There is nothing worse than being unemployed and, at the end of the month, not getting any pay to ensure the household’s livelihood.

It is this pain the Brazilian society is feeling now that makes me say to you: the pain I feel is nothing in face of the pain millions and millions of people are suffering...

...We have to fight for a relief policy for microentrepreneurs, to the small Brazilian businesses, who can’t bear it and go bankrupt. How many restaurants have closed down? So many drugstores have closed down. So many laundries have closed down. So many beauty parlors. What is the government for? For trying and finding a solution for these people.

So, everybody, now I wish to apologize to you, because as [Justice] Gilmar Mendes spoke too much yesterday, so have I today, but you will excuse me because it’s been five years since I last spoke with the press.

You know the last time I gave an interview for television? It was for Roberto D’avila, on GloboNews, five or six years ago. Maybe four years ago.

I became some sort of virus: don’t touch Lula, don’t listen to Lula. Once I was sentenced to three years in jail in Manaus. Do you know what my weapon was? The judge said I had a sharp tongue. So, I want to say to you to defend the Brazilian people, to defend the things that will save this country, I will keep my tongue sharp.

And I want to thank you, because if it hadn’t been for you, possibly I wouldn’t have made it here.

Thank you very much!

And that is a brief extract - Castro and the speech have returned - make coffee first.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 23:46 utc | 63

Posted by: ian | Apr 1 2021 18:35 utc | 6
Thnx, this "science = concensus" argument really annoy me.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Apr 1 2021 23:48 utc | 64

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2021 22:22 utc | 49

Provocations like this aimed against the completion of Nord Stream 2 are to me at least extremely worrying. Will the Russians use their Baltic fleet to ensure this project is completed? More important will the Germans join them? That would be one for the history books. Very dangerous times. I'm sure sleepy Joe and all the competent people surrounding him have things under control at weekend at Biden's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYK_g23z6I


Posted by: Tom | Apr 1 2021 23:50 utc | 65

Posted by: Mikhas | Apr 1 2021 18:54 utc | 9
Nah, you are to judgemental. Many of "eurofags" watch our governments in dispair.
Norway`s gov is to scared to object to u.s demands, especially after the Utøya attack🤷‍♂️

Posted by: Per/Norway | Apr 1 2021 23:53 utc | 66

Here is a fascist prodigy of the USA. This is their criminal spawn:

It was caught on the Senate’s own TV channel, and Randolfe Rodrigues, Senator for Amapá, reported the incident to the police. Martins has denied making the infamous racist gesture, but video captured from TV Senado appeared to confirm the accusation, and images of it viralised on social media, generating a wave of outrage at Bolsonaro’s key ally.

The incident draws attention to Martins, his current position, unusual employment history, direct connections to the US Government, and its relationship with the Brazilian far-right.

After working at the TSE electoral court until the 2014 election, Filipe Martins became an “economic advisor” to the US embassy in Brasilia.

Martins, who is credited with introducing Jair Bolsonaro to Steve Bannon, worked at the embassy for the duration of the coup period between December 2014 following the election and July 2016, when Dilma Rousseff’s impeachment was all but sealed.

According to Martin’s LinkedIn profile, he was responsible for research about the political conjuncture and economy in Brazil, in particular bilateral relations with the US, and media monitoring during that coup period.

From BrazilWire and worth every minute you spend reading.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 23:56 utc | 67

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 1 2021 20:50 utc | 33

Takk, godt sagt.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Apr 1 2021 23:59 utc | 68

"There are straws in the wind suggesting the unipolar abscess has burst, and once the foul pus is finally drained out, wounds will begin to heal with a polycentric skin."

Thank you, powerandpeople @ 24. We would all welcome it.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 2 2021 0:05 utc | 69

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 23:46 utc | 63

I noticed that recently there were demonstrations in Brazil against the attempt by Bolsonaro to have the military celebrate the coup in 1965 (without calling it a coup).

I remember when I was in public school being assigned to put a report together on Brazil. I remember not being able to understand what the encyclopaedia had to say about Brazil politics until my dad explained it to a twelve year old.


https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Brazils-Judge-Bars-Bolsonaros-Coup-Celebration-20190330-0008.html

Posted by: Tom | Apr 2 2021 0:08 utc | 70

A refresher on Iran-China relations, the fabled "50 years" referenced by J. Zarif. Naturally, it was impolitic for the IRI's FM to note that it was the Shah of Iran that recognized PRC in 1971.

Chinese-Iranian Relations v. Diplomatic and Commercial Relations, 1949-90
https://iranicaonline.org/articles/chinese-iranian-v

As for our Indian friend, he threw no punches when he quoted the joint statement: 'Chinese side “shall consider financing and investing in the up-and-downstream projects of the energy industries”'

Shall consider. That sounds reassuring? Meanwhile Iranian "should consider" whether China's "cheap oil from Iran" (the quoted phrase is from Russian mouthpiece Sputniknews.com) is being sold at better terms than that which the British Empire extracted from Qajar kings. India too, sputniknew was clearly delighted to report, will be getting "cheap oil" from Islamic Republic of Iran.

Now those of you who were not fortunate enough to experience the glorious revolution of the Iranians are excused for not remembering the chanted slogan "Nah Gharbi, Nah Shargi, Jomhurieh Islami", which means "Neither West oriented, nor East oriented, [we demand an] Islamic Republic". Oy vey!

There is no doubt that for China, having a nearly prostate Iran boxed in by UN security council (not some "rules-based order", no, it was the fabled "international law" and "international community" we kept hearing about in the '00s) begging to sell Iranian oil "cheap" to China is a win.

There is also no doubt that the "mainly private sector channels" that will be used to implement the economic aspects of the joint statements will be also a "win" for the IRI regime flunkies. You thought their big bellies were a bit too extruded now? Wait until Uncle Qin's payments for "cheap oil" start pouring in via the "mainly private sector channels". So they win big too.

The Sepah (Revolutionary Guards) too will "win". No doubt their Chinese peers, in implementing "security" aspects of the deal, will gift the Iranian nation with the "Islamic Social Credit System" and surveillance up the yazoo.

Now all this is enough to trigger "conspiracy theorists" into thinking how clever of the Cabal to, yet again, get Iran-cum-"Persia" to provide the "cheap oil" for a dominant power. (Last time around, did you know?, it was Iranian Oil that fueled the British Navy.)

So, yeah, here is to the Iranian nation, who in their fabled wisdom (lol) managed to once again be the font of "cheap" precious resources to a world power. And don't you dare say the "Ayatollah" Khamenei is a "puppet of Beijing".

Mazel Tov!

Posted by: thorsday | Apr 2 2021 0:16 utc | 72

Polybasic Furin Cleavage site INSERTED into SARS-Cov-2 genome.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340261477_A_Furin_Cleavage_Site_Inserted_into_the_Spike_Protein_of_SARS-CoV-2_A_Structural_Implication

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210217/The-origin-of-SARS-CoV-2-furin-cleavage-site-remains-a-mystery.aspx

"However, within the betacoronaviruses of the sarbecovirus lineage B, this type of site is unique to SARS-CoV-2."

Emphasis added.

Not zoonotic in origin.

Host species reservoir for SARS-Cov-1 and MERS were found within 1 year, and those outbreaks did not cause global mass hysteria.

"The discovery of civet cats as an infection source of SARS for humans occurred about 4 months after the international recognition that there was an outbreak of a new disease. In contrast, it was not until 10 months after the recognition of MERS that camels were suspected as the possible intermediate host."

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20140218/10_3928_1081_597x_20140101_00_1333163

However it is not a simple matter to scapegoat China, because of the USA NIAID funding of gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

https://reporter.nih.gov/project-details/9819304

PETER DASZAK ludicrously included as an investigator amongst The Who sleuths sent to China. He should maybe help OJ Simpson 'find the real killer' in his spare time.

Posted by: spork | Apr 2 2021 0:34 utc | 73

I find it comforting when trolls lie to themselves. The idiot probably forgot that Occupied Palestine is very much interested in playing a role in China's BRI.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 2 2021 0:40 utc | 74

Karlof, you are such a tool. You're implying that I am an israhelli, but alas, I speak Hebrew only when feeling a tinge of irony.

Now see if you can actually muster a rebutal to the facts presented. Your thoughts, not RT or Pepe or someone else's as usual.

And yes, Israel is a very close friend of CPC. Has been for a while. So close that they even snubbed the "American Empire" by telling them to fuck off regarding China and ports in Israel.

Posted by: thorsday | Apr 2 2021 0:53 utc | 75

@6 Ian: "Science is not about consensus."

Of course it is.

Science is a method for building theories about how the world works. Competing theories stand or fall based upon a consensus amongst the scientists regarding which theory is best supported by the existing scientific evidence.

The argument about Big Bang Theory vs Steady State Theory raged for decades, and a consensus was only reached when Cosmic Background Radiation was finally measured.

Continental Drift was a theory that floated (sorry) around for yonks as a fringe theory. It is now universally accepted i.e. a consensus was reached that plate tectonics is A Real Thing.

"It is about what can be proved with a repeatable experiment."

Oh, please. That is the very opposite of scientific experimentation.

You have a theory. You put it to the test by experimentation. The theory passes the test, or not, whatever.

But the theory is never "proved". It is always accepted that a theory can do a faceplant if/when someone thinks up a new experiment and it fails that new test.

But a consensus can be reached that, so far, in the theory is supported by the existing evidence.

Indeed, it is common for a consensus to be reached that a theory has failed a test, but nobody knows why so... yeah... we'll hang onto it for a little while longer in case we can bash the new evidence into the existing theory (see, Steady State Theory which was only finally killed by the detection of CBR).


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 2 2021 1:00 utc | 76

Well here we are again talking about the shit show but not talking about the shit show.

Whatever memes you pick it still comes back to the reality that China has a PUBLIC finance core and others in that axis are also aligned toward a public focus. The West has a PRIVATE finance core and is facing its first real threat to continuation of the top/bottom form of social organization.

What do the new barflies thorsday and not convinced think about public/private finance going forward for society?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 2 2021 1:04 utc | 77

I personally don't trust US, China and WHO, the UN or whatever.

Since there's no more Soviet science to provide a clear analysis, it's better to just be as careful as possible, even if COVID-19 isn't a bioweapon, better be safe and sorry.

Posted by: Smith | Apr 2 2021 1:09 utc | 78

lots of comments here about 'no evidence' that COVID was engineered. Please consider the opinion of a virologist:


at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmL7okhbVzU&feature=youtu.be
Czech research virologist Dr Sona Pekova interview, March 13, 2020

1:29 Dr.Sona Pekova talks about the CDC test directions which her lab initially followed but found “at the first, second and next glance it looked cumbersome and complex and required a lot — it was expensive, it had significant technological demands, or it required relatively technologically demanding equipment, and when we need to test a lot of people during an epidemic, that’s not the way to do it.
“So we had two authentic isolates of the virus from humans, we sequenced it and read the genetic information of the virus in some areas we considered significant and we found that the virus was much easier to detect, using the same technology as suggested by the CDC — we didn’t abandon it, but it’s much easier to detect by targeting another region of its genome, not here (points at genome) toward that terminal part of the genome, but somewhere at the very beginning. There it has sequences that uniquely identify it where it can’t be confused with another virus or another coronavirus and in fact it can be done with one reaction per patient. So instead of three, we only need to do one, saving chemicals, time, cost, instrument positions and no complicated equipment is needed as in multiplex testing. So this is a way to test a large amount of samples — it has to be fast, simple, reliable and quantitative to tell us how much of the virus there is and it can’t be beyond the lab’s capacities. Because after we publish our assay, the test that we provide free of charge to everyone who is interested … many laboratories from around the world have contacted us and requested the test from us. So if nobody had any trouble with the original test (CDC test), this new test probably wouldn’t be in such high demand.”

15:16 — 17:58 Why Dr. Pekova thinks this virus is “atypical”

“Viruses mutate regions that encode structural proteins, that is proteins that form the body of the virus. These are proteins that determine how the virus will attack the (host) cell, how it will penetrate it; simply put, protein-protein interaction. And here we discovered that the virus naturally has some heterogeneity in its body, the structural genes, but what sets it apart is the region of the virus which is the control room of the virus, the regulatory region of the virus where replication of the virus is triggered, where the transcription and production of protein is triggered so it’s the ‘control room’.

“In this virus it looks as if someone entered the control room; the control room allows viruses to recognize each other — these sequences are identical within the group. Well, in this virus the control room looks as if someone entered it, opened the closets, threw everything out of them, flipped chairs — and if it were a natural variant one could hardly imagine that such extensive mutations — insertions, deletions, various single-nucleotide mutations — could happen accidentally and the virus wouldn’t die during this process.

“Because the virus doesn’t let anything touch the control room, and that means, ‘I am in control here and you can mutate these genes for these proteins through which I will enter cells or recognize another host but don’t come here where I am in command.’ This has to be preserved without mutations if possible. And if there is a mutation, it must be mutation that makes the virus stronger. Any mutation that makes it weaker is an evolutionary disadvantage and would not survive. . . I don’t know if the mutation is artificial but it’s so … (interviewer interjects, suggesting the word, atypical)…yes, “atypical” at the very least…”

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 2 2021 1:25 utc | 79

Thorsday isn't new....he is the same half-wit troll peddling inane drivel over the last few years with a recycled name. "Let's see if you can muster a rebuttle"...to my inane drivel, derp, derp...Hey, I'll throw in some juvenile name calling for good measure...lol....hello! Hasbara give away is they can't troll without being infantile.

Posted by: ArthurDent | Apr 2 2021 1:25 utc | 80

Whatever memes you pick it still comes back to the reality that China has a PUBLIC finance core and others in that axis are also aligned toward a public focus. The West has a PRIVATE finance core and is facing its first real threat to continuation of the top/bottom form of social organization.

What do the new barflies thorsday and not convinced think about public/private finance going forward for society?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 2 2021 1:04 utc | 77

I am not sure if the distinction is meaningful. Does CPC ownership of this "core" make it "public"? Reminder that CPC membership is iirc in single digit percentage of total Chinese population. In otherwords, to make it "public", each and every Chinese should have a certificate of "share" in this "Public Central Bank", come hell or high water. But I don't that is the case. CPC owns it.

Second, while I agree that CPC is at least more transparent than the Cabal that owns the world (they really do), to me the true distinction is between a financial system based on usury and one that forbids it.

BIS is a usurers club. China, along with the alluded "axis" nations are also members. You could say, dear Psychohistorian, they are all "aligned with usury".

Posted by: thorsday | Apr 2 2021 1:25 utc | 81

Mr. B

We are not dealing with a multipolar international system because outside of US, there are no large poles. ​Neither China, nor India, nor Brazil are serving as poles to other states.

The Russian Federation and the Islamic Republic of Iran with their alliance partners remain two weak poles, if one choses that terminology, within the international system.

What we have is a world-wide disorder that a combination of COVID-19 Pandemic, the 2008 Global Financial Crisis, and the Judeo-Christian-Muslim Wars have helped to usher.

This is a world analogous to the one bfore the Peace of Vienna; the Mad King, who, just like the late Naopleon Bonaparte, did not know when to stop, has to be stopped first before an analogue of tge Concert of Europe could be formed on a planetary scale.

Even that is too much to hope for, in my opinion. Not before many more wars across the planet, with the customary attack on Russia.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 2 2021 1:27 utc | 82

When I read commenters above praising New Zealand's not following the lead of China's detractors, I thought it can't be long till debsisdead will be here whinging the equivalent of how NZ is actually still part of "the conga line of suck-holes" (to reuse Oz politician Mark Latham's memorable phrase). I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: tucenz | Apr 2 2021 1:33 utc | 83

Mr. thorsday

In War and in Love, all things are permitted.

Iran is in the midst of an economic siege war and needs all the help she can get. Any blockade runner knows that one needs akl the opennings one can get, including, in this case, those offered by China to Iran.

Before the Judeo-Christians war against Iran, Chinese companies were involved in many many projects in Iran. They were working at the behest of the Iranian entities just like any other commercial relationship in the world.

That has not changed.

Almost 20 years ago, Chinese realized that there was only one functioning state in Western Asia, i.e. the Islamic Republic of Iran. One cannot fault them for waiting until the price was right.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 2 2021 1:37 utc | 84

The coup in Brazil was in 1964, not 1965. Only a few months after the assassination in Dallas.

It was the coup in Indonesia that took place in 1965. Both coups very much departed from JFK policies.

Posted by: lysias | Apr 2 2021 1:44 utc | 85

Pardon me for blooping that link to the Brazilian fascist that was trained in the USA, this should work.

I did notice this in the report:

Leaving the embassy following Rousseff’s impeachment, Martins then became part of the group around Jair Bolsonaro’s presidential bid, ultimately landing an advisory position with him. Martins is a 32 year old disciple of US-based far-right “guru” Olavo de Carvalho, and gives courses in his “philosophy”.

So for all the USA gang here, this is the CIA Mr big of Brazil and Olavo de Carvalho is their key fascist hate agent in Richmond Virginia.
He has lived there since 2005.

The same report includes this mention:

In July 2019 Martins met with the head of the FBI in Brazil, David Brassanini, who was accompanied by William Popp, Deputy Chief of Mission at the US embassy. Brassanini is the main overseer of the FBI’s expansion in Brazil since Bolsonaro (and Sérgio Moro) took office, as documented here.

During the CPI (Congressional Inquiry) into so called fake news, Felipe Martins was accused by federal deputy Alexandre Frota of introducing Bolsonaro to Steve Bannon and of “promoting virtual lynchings”. Martins was summoned to appear at the CPI to clarify his alleged participation in the so called “hate office” which controls the President’s digital militias, and operates as a factory for fake news.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 2 2021 1:47 utc | 86

@ thorsday | Apr 2 2021 1:25 utc | 81 who responded to my public/private finance question.

Lets go backward with your statements

"
BIS is a usurers club. China, along with the alluded "axis" nations are also members. You could say, dear Psychohistorian, they are all "aligned with usury".
"

BIS is a PRIVATE usurers club which all the world nations are forced to execute their foreign exchange transfers through and that is changing, isn't it?...to the dismay of the private finance folk. It is my understanding that China practices usury but with debt forgiveness which is not done in the West so your alignment smear does not stick evenly across the world.

"
Second, while I agree that CPC is at least more transparent than the Cabal that owns the world (they really do), to me the true distinction is between a financial system based on usury and one that forbids it.
"

WOW! So, if a bank owned by a sovereign nation provides financial services as a public utility there is no difference between that model and the private/for profit model....obfuscate much?

"
I am not sure if the distinction is meaningful. Does CPC ownership of this "core" make it "public"? Reminder that CPC membership is iirc in single digit percentage of total Chinese population. In otherwords, to make it "public", each and every Chinese should have a certificate of "share" in this "Public Central Bank", come hell or high water. But I don't that is the case. CPC owns it.
"

Another WOW! No distinction between a totally sovereign financial system and a global private financial system that has non-sovereign Central Bank nations as debt slaves.


Your arguments read like you should be commenting over at ALMOST nakedcapitalism where TINA is the unspoken support for global private finance because that is the underlying message I read in your comments.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 2 2021 1:48 utc | 87

Mr. thorsday

In War and in Love, all things are permitted.

Iran is in the midst of an economic siege war and needs all the help she can get. Any blockade runner knows that one needs akl the opennings one can get, including, in this case, those offered by China to Iran.

Before the Judeo-Christians war against Iran, Chinese companies were involved in many many projects in Iran. They were working at the behest of the Iranian entities just like any other commercial relationship in the world.

That has not changed.

Almost 20 years ago, Chinese realized that there was only one functioning state in Western Asia, i.e. the Islamic Republic of Iran. One cannot fault them for waiting until the price was right.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 2 2021 1:37 utc | 84

Aghayeh Fyi,

Maybe for kaferun "all things are permitted", but for Muslims, there are LIMITS set by God and his messenger. Should I quote chapter and verse from scripture and hadith here for you?

"Iran is in the midst of an economic siege war"

Next you will tell us the sky is blue. Mr. Fyi. The germinal question is How did the Iranian nation get into this bind? China, along with our "new friend" Russia, were part of the "security council of UN", that fabled institution created by the "Empire", to govern the world.

Your friends, the aghayoon -- that's Misters, dear barflies, in Qom speak -- brought us to this strategic cul-de-cas. (That, Aghayeh Fyi, is French for "bottom of the sack" ..)

"Before the Judeo-Christians war against Iran .."

No, it is actually the Masonic war against Nations. One by one, they have taken over nations and religions. Your Monafeqin (that is Muslim for Hypocrite, dear barflies) friends are a vehicle for ideological takeover of Shia. (150 years ago they did that to Judaism via Zionism.)

Right now, the Shia only have Sistani and Najaf standing in the way of your Masonic Aghayoon. May God grant us a worthy successor to (genuine) Ayatollah Sistani.

"Almost 20 years ago, Chinese realized that there was only one functioning state in Western Asia, i.e. the Islamic Republic of Iran. One cannot fault them for waiting until the price was right."

I know a bit about the Chinese. Let me assure you they have nothing but contempt for IRI. You, Misters, just happen to be of utility atm.


Posted by: thorsday | Apr 2 2021 1:52 utc | 88

@52 Uncle Tungsten and 73 Spork
Between the two of you we have the most likely answer to the origin of Covid19 puzzle.
I would add if the USA was not involved their attacks on China for supposedly producing this virus would be a lot more vehement than Trump's lame attempts to get it named the "Wuhan Flu".
What would you do to cover your tracks if you are criminally manufacturing deadly viruses in your own country and one escaped. I know let's smuggle it into China so they get the blame.
The Chinese, who took over the "Gain of function" research after Obama had banned it in the USA are obviously not to sure about their own complicity as they have soft pedalled apportioning blame too.

Posted by: Ike | Apr 2 2021 1:54 utc | 89

@ Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 2 2021 1:25 utc | 79

What Dr. Pekova presents in your link is a hypothesis, not evidence.

Hypotheses must always be put to the test according to the principles of science. So, unless she flies to Wuhan with the due permits to do it, the WHO report is must be treated as the new point zero.

But, for the sake of the argument, there are studies that point to the polar direction of Dr. Pekova's hypothesis. Here's a detailed recap of the trajectory of the SARS-CoV-2 found so far:

Covid-19: o que se sabe sobre a origem da doença

The virus is most likely a chimera, fruit of an "encounter" between the bat-carried RaTG13 (with which it shares 96% of its genome) and some pangolin-related coronarivus (recombination). Therefore, it's almost certain there's a third intermediate animal, with more proximity to humans and much more numerical. Some Chinese scientists are investigating the bamboo rat (which is used in Southeastern China's cuisine, among other SE Asian nations') as this possible intermediate.

Dr. Pekova is probably talking about the "curious" proline between the S1 and S2 junction of the virus' protein S. This may be responsible for increasing the virulence of the SARS-CoV-2 and isn't found in neither the RaTG13 nor any pangolin coronavirus. She's most likely insinuating evil Chinese scientists in the Wuhan lab inserted it on purpose in order to build a bioweapon.

This "anomaly" can be easily explained either by this "lost" intermediary animal - an intermediary much more numerous and much nearer to human beings; or by the simple fact that the SARS-CoV-2 as we came to discover already is a new human version, forged by billions and billions of natural selection inside the human organism itself (post-zoonotic transfer).

Posted by: vk | Apr 2 2021 1:54 utc | 90

Second logistic bottleneck in Southern California, USA:

Another big shipping bottleneck strands millions of dollars in U.S. imports off the California coast

Carthage is choking on its own gluttony.

Posted by: vk | Apr 2 2021 1:58 utc | 91

psychohistorian @77--

There's a very interesting distinction within the EU between the "old" and "new" Europe--the "old" often had people-centered social contracts already in place prior to the EU's construction that Neoliberals couldn't dismantle politically, whereas the "new" EU members were enrolled in an already Neoliberalized structure and were unable to retain what remained of their people-centered social contract, often losing them as terms for admission. That's one of the divisions within the EU that Lavrov omits in his discussion on values and the EU in his long interview, where the rift is between those wanting to retain traditional values versus those being imported to further divide and rule. A similar problem exists within Occupied Palestine, although we don't hear much about it. One other mistake Lavrov makes in his interview: Not all nations ratified the Universal Declaration of Human Rights--the Outlaw US Empire being the most prominent not to do so; so its jabbering about Human Rights is always groundless. The global promotion of dignified human development is long overdue and is the only logical choice for humanity's future pathway. Most of the world doesn't need to be convinced. Rather, it's a small minority whose policy aims to keep that vision from maturing. They are the Hydra that must be slain.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 2 2021 2:06 utc | 92

Posted by: vk | Apr 2 2021 1:58 utc | 91

Tovarich vk, I have a ideological purity question for you.

I saw this "joint statement" published the other day on the website of President of Islamic Republic of Iran. It begins:

"The statement was simultaneously published in both countries on Saturday at the end of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s trip to Tehran.

Full text of the joint statement is as follows:

In the name of God

Joint Statement on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership between Islamic Republic of Iran and People’s Republic of China [...]"

Now I'm not up on my Marxist, Maoist, or Communism with Chinese Characteristics studies, but you dear comrade, are!

What to make of Communist Chinese issuing a statement that begins with "In the name of God"?

Laugh? Chalk it up to Communist version of "all things permitted in love and war"?

Would you please, tovarich, dispell my ideological confusion here? ("God" forbid, either the Chinese have gotten religion, or, is the President of Islamic Republic of Iran blowing smoke to the captive Iranian nation?)

Posted by: thorsday | Apr 2 2021 2:08 utc | 93

If you dont know how crazy the gringos are, try this....

Marko Rubio

China should stop interfering, HK is our internal affair.


Posted by: denk | Apr 2 2021 2:18 utc | 94

Hehe..
Funny...

Posted by: Josh | Apr 2 2021 2:19 utc | 95

Excellent piece. The reality is that ‘America Is NOT Back’. American capitalism confronts the largest financial crisis since the Great Depression, a direct consequence of decades of neoliberal economic policies- tax cuts for the wealthy, job outsourcing, financial deregulation and spending vast amounts of public money on the Pentagon and war. Joe Biden and the ruling elite he represents view the China-Russia-Iran axis as an intolerable obstacle to US global hegemony. This was on vivid display at the recent US-China summit in Anchorage, where Sec of State Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, Biden’s national security adviser, accused China of ‘violating international norms’- crackdown on Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang province and ‘economic coercion’. This coming from representatives of a country that for decades has economically sanctioned DPRK, Cuba, Iran and Venezuela; for over 2 decades has been threatening and waging non-stop war on Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran and Yemen.
The allegations that the SARS-CoV-2 virus resulted from an accidental laboratory escape is complete nonsense, right up there with ‘Russia Gate’, ‘poisoning’ of Sergei and Yulia Skripal and Alexei Navalny. I was a biomedical researcher for 45 years. No virology laboratory can compete with natural evolution. We are constantly being infected with thousands of different viruses daily. In a normal healthy person, most of these infections are effectively repelled by our immune system. Viruses are constantly mutating and occasionally, a new viral strain emerges which overwhelms our immune system, and we get the flu, a cold or just feel out of sorts. The 1918 influenza pandemic (aka ‘Spanish flu’) pandemic was caused by the H1N1 virus, of avian origin. From 1918-1919, the virus spread worldwide, infecting circa 1/3 of the world’s population (500 million people) resulting in 50 million deaths. See- 918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus); Link: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
The US government along with corporate media- aka ‘ministry of propaganda’ are using anything they can, including blaming China for COVID-19 to prepare a generally uninformed and poor educated American Public for the upcoming US war on China and Russia. Obviously, once this starts, the world will be rapidly incinerated.

Posted by: PaulB | Apr 2 2021 2:20 utc | 96

Posted by: librul | Apr 1 2021 20:35 utc | 27

I think you're right lib. I've always guessed that covid came from fort dietrick, then to wuhan through the athletes and maybe some helpers, also sent to Iran. But I could be wrong... I've been wrong before.

Posted by: migueljose | Apr 2 2021 2:21 utc | 97

I feel compelled to cordially invite any and all assholes who literally incubate and grow and distribute microorganisms which cause disease to cut that stupid shit out (whether they happen to be white, or yellow, or 'otherwise specially oriented').
Thanks.

Posted by: Josh | Apr 2 2021 2:22 utc | 98

Mr. thorsday

Yes, please go ahead and quote the Quranic statements that support your assertions, I would like to learn.

I do not find your assertions regarding Mr. Sistani or Najaf accurate. Mr. Sistani has not formulated a theory of government in contradistinction to that of the late Mr. Khomeini. Najaf has been defeaningly silent on Freedom in Islam, a burning issue in Muslim societies.

All that has been achieved legally and conceptually on a form of Muslim ecumenism has been done in Iran, in Qum, for the most part, and in Tehran. All that has been achieved in organically fuse the ideas of Triniturian separation of government powers, Representative Government, and Islam have been accomplished in Iran by Najafi rejects.

I do not credit Masonic cabals and all that. The reason I do not believe that there are that many smart people in the world who can work together on a common goal for so many centuries.

The longest-living institution on Earth is the Catholic Church and she has been clearly unsuccessful in what you ascribe to Masons to have achieved.

The Chinese that you have met clearly do not grasp the salient feature of Iran; that is she is the only sovereign Muslim state on this planet and one of the fewer than 14 sovereign states of the world. And that the Shia are the only Thinking part of Islam. They must be ignorant people with whom you communicate.

There is much that Iranians have learnt from Chinese over the mollenia and there is a lot of scope for Iranian people to learn more from China and about China.

Future will tell which of us be correct.

Posted by: Fyi | Apr 2 2021 2:35 utc | 99

Josh#98

hear hear

!

Posted by: anon | Apr 2 2021 2:38 utc | 100

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