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March 17, 2021

The New Yellow Peril - Causes And Effects

The New York Times reports of a mass murdering of Asian people near Atlanta. Its front page summary says: "The motive for the killings was unclear."


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However, the suspect, one Robert Aaron Long, does not leave much doubt about his motive.


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The guy thinks that China has covered up the source of the Covid virus and thus declared China to be "THE GREATEST EVIL OF OUR TIME".

One wonders how that "unclear motive" got planted into the dude's mind.


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Could the 12.210 search results for "Wuhan lab" at the New York Times' website be related to it?

Or stuff like this?

U.S. Southern Command @Southcom - 14:11 UTC · Mar 16, 2021

#SOUTHCOM Commander Adm. Faller at #SASC: "The Chinese Communist Party, with its insidious & corrupt influence seeks regional & global economic dominance... #China is quickly growing its influence here in our hemisphere." @deptofdefense @theJointStaff

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Is that Circe that is not convinced? Kinda reminds me a little bit of her for some reason ;-)

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 17 2021 20:44 utc | 101

RJPJR @95

I agree that the corona virus was not an attack on China by the US military.

There are other arms of the imperial power structure that attack the empire's adversaries besides the military, though, such as the CIA. They are not as methodical and careful in their planning as the military. Furthermore, protecting American lives is not only not the CIA's primary objective, it isn't an objective of the CIA in any fashion at all.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 17 2021 20:55 utc | 102

Migao @ 15 said;

"Evil governments do not pull 800 million of its citizens out of poverty. Evil governments don't invest in massive high speed rail networks for its citizens."

"Instead evil governments for example install 800 military bases around the world, often expelling the natives in the process, and in doing this plunge 40 million of its own citizens into poverty."

Succinct, and right on point M......

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 17 2021 20:56 utc | 103

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 17 2021 20:29 utc | 97 wrote:

"this was NOT an attack."

Then are you asserting it was an accidental release or a natural occurrence?

I respond.

Everything in my research (and it has become considerable) and in the research of those who have been accompanying my work says that it was accidental. Hence we do not (cannot) know at what stage of development it was when it got loose, in other words how close it was to being the ideal germ warfare agent that its creators were aiming for. Thus, it may turn out to be a dud in the long run, just petering out after all

Fort Detrick has a HORRIBLE reputation for safety, as do all the rest of the "bio-safety" labs. They are invariably covered by military secrecy, which has made tracking their "incidents" (egregious safety violations) like piecing together the tiny pieces of a mosaic, yet after almost eighty years, there is easily enough evidence to know that the military are running colossal risks. (A similar case can be made for the nuclear arsenal, developed in parallel to the germ warfare arsenal, and its accidents and "incidents".)

As long as the virus is still spreading and mutating, any attempt at mortality rates or whatever are premature, to say the least.

Further, the arbitrariness of the testing and the lack of a coherent system of gathering and classifying statistics make it all but impossible to get a realistic picture of what is happening. Ironically, the only impeccable information that I know of comes from the countries that have effectively dealt with covid-19, to wit such countries as Taiwan, Cuba, Vietnam etc. But the problem in these countries' data is the small number of cases. For example, Taiwan may well have performed an autopsy on every death attributed to covid-19, but there have been only nine so far (for over 23 million people). The knowledge that this has added to what we already know about viruses in general, and SARS-CoV-2 in particular, is tiny compared to what could have been learned if every case in Italy or France or the United Kingdom or the United States had been promptly subjected to a thorough autopsy.

The crass opportunism and deep-rooted corruption of a system based on private capital cannot be overstated, but the potential danger from something like SARS-CoV-2 cannot either until the virus either peters out or is somehow eliminated.

Posted by: RJPJR | Mar 17 2021 21:14 utc | 104

karlof @ 87

Thanks for the links. It’s embarrassing. After all the muck we have been dragged through by these vermin this is still a surprise and a new low. Leader of one major power says leader of another major power has no soul. Russians are like that. The stupidity involved is breathtaking.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 17 2021 21:15 utc | 105

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 17 2021 20:44 utc | 101

Hmm....could it be....THE ALL CAPS AND EXCESSIVE PUNCTUATION!!!!!!!!!?

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 17 2021 21:29 utc | 106

Posted by: not convinced | Mar 17 2021 19:33 utc | 92

OK, so you had some colleagues of Chinese descent. First you called them friends though, so I'm having trouble making heads or tails of what kind of relationship you really had with these people. If it was business related (i.e.; involving money), I hate to tell ya, but ya can't trust White Americans either. But you made it seem as though there might have been a more friendly relationship and it sounds like they let you down, possibly more than once. Would you care to elaborate on a few of these experiences and maybe tie your perceptions of their behavior back to what you consider an innate trait common to Chinese people? (Han? I assume you meant they were all Han Chinese, but I'm not sure)

I'm not being disingenuous or trying to troll you here. I'm genuinely curious about what happened to provoke such a strong negative reaction and long-lasting prejudice against Chinese people into the future.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 17 2021 21:34 utc | 107

Thanks for clearing this up b. My local news said this was just a incident of incel rage

Posted by: Bob | Mar 17 2021 21:35 utc | 108

Mr. Piotr Berman

All of these murderers are deranged. The late Baruch Spinoza, the Supreme Rationalist, established with metaphysical certainty that the most useful thing to a human being is another human.

There are different sorts of derangements - racism is certainly one; religion is another one, like the Judeo-Christian fellow who murdered all those Sikhs in the United States, in Wisconsin or the other one who murdered those Muslims in New Zealand.

Posted by: fyi | Mar 17 2021 21:38 utc | 109

@95 RJPJR, like karlof1 i also request a clearer idea of what you are asserting. further, ron unz @ unz has authored new thread which if you haven't already read & posted upon i suggest you might.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Mar 17 2021 21:40 utc | 110

David Hogg released the Corona virus to close down schools in a misguided attempt to end school shootings

Posted by: Shit post | Mar 17 2021 21:42 utc | 111

To: The Thread,

Some have tried to make this point earlier, but as is the case with most human thought and action, this young man was probably motivated by multiple things. These include:

* Raging hormones and no outlet for them other than prostitutes

* Anger at China and maybe influenced by Trump's rhetoric (he does reference both Dems and Repubs tho)

* Maybe anger at Asians in general. Does anyone know the actual heritage of the 6 Asian women killed? Remember, there were 8 total and only 6 were Asian. Seems to me it's more likely they are Vietnamese or Southeast Asian, just given my...ahem....previous knowledge of those kinds of businesses, but I hate to stereotype. ;-)

* To expand on the hormone/prostitute thing, as Bob points out above me, there is indeed such a thing as "incel" culture in the West and in Asia. Incel is a term used by (mostly) younger men who consider themselves to be involuntarily celibate. It might be hard for some of us older folks to understand, but young men his age have been immersed in porn from the moment they could use a computer. I didn't have access to pornography online until the mid to late 90s, and it consisted of still photos, video consumed too much bandwidth for dialup connections. What many may not know is that not only has his generation been exposed to a LOT of porn on-demand since their adolescence, but a LOT of it is also very rough and demeaning toward women. There are of course niches for men who want to be submissive and cuckholded, etc., but most young men his age I have read about are into the rough stuff. I'm talking choking to just before the point that the woman loses consciousness, extremely abusive behaviors, etc.

Incels often express rage at women in general because women, as they observe, have all the power in today's world when it comes to selecting sexual partners. That it's been this way in MOST civilized countries for a long time seems to escape them. But they openly yearn for the days when men could - in whatever manner they imagine it - have sex with virtually any woman they wanted. They feel helpless. Elliot Rodger was a perfect example of a self-identified incel who went on a similar murder spree.

It's also not that easy for younger people to meet up and form relationships, including sexual ones now. I've got friends with college age kids and their kids complain that just getting to meet someone for a first date (or hookup) in person takes days or weeks of 'swiping', texting, and sending IG messages back and forth. A lot of the more "desirable" potential partners are simply 'online' (using apps like Tinder for example) to flirt and tease, never with any real intent of meeting in person or forming relationships. IOW, they're using these apps as a means of padding their self image. The pandemic only compounded this dilemma. While 'the kids' still do go out dancing and partying, it's not the same as when I was their age. We had no other option than to go to night clubs, bars, beaches or what have you and meeting people was much easier than it is compared to their virtual world. X100 during the pandemic.

It would make perfect sense to me that this perp was raised on said rough/degrading porn. It makes perfect sense that he has been exposed to half a decade of anti-China rhetoric in every corner of the media and from the previous President. It also makes perfect sense that he could be an incel who had convinced himself that prostitutes were his only sexual outlet and even that one or two of them pissed him off by not being subservient or accommodating enough. Many serial killers start with prostitutes because of this, BTW.

So the totality of the situation is that it's a major rush to judgment to pin the cause of this man's actions on one person or media outlet or societal phenomenon. I know that's not a popular opinion in today's "me too" environment, and acknowledge that a double standard is often used to explain the crimes of white males as mental illness, but when a Muslim or Black person does something similar it's automatically terrorism or calculated hatred of White/American people. But this guy really is just a kid mentally. Other kids his age have been committing suicide at much higher rates during the pandemic, so frankly I'm surprised there haven't been more incidents like this one. At this point I'm not ready to accept that his murderous acts were motivated by racism or hatred of China alone.

Just my three cents. Apologies for the novel-length post.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 17 2021 22:01 utc | 112

The first principle of biological warfare is to have a vaccine against your own weapon. It's the equivalent of standing upwind when you release poison gas.
All the "theories" that cannot explain why the vaccine wasn't used fail to explain anything. All of them, no exceptions. The handful of theories that posit an accident are at least coherent. They are also unpopular, even scorned. The simplest explanation, in the Occam's razor sense of hypothesizing causal agents/metaphysical principles/Platonic forms without reason, is that environmental changes have led to the emergence of zoonoses. The wildly variable effects of covid-19 by the way favors this explanation. Uniformity of effect is a highly desirable, if not essential, aspect of a useful bioweapon. No theory which ignores the first principle is a theory at all, not in the sense of "scientific explanation." They are only a theory in the sense of "personal opinion."

I would further suggest discussions of the perils of vaccines should rely on Bayes' theorem. And if they don't, they should be ignored.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 17 2021 22:07 utc | 113

The original aside on Occam's razor went "in the sense of *not* hypothesizing causal agents/metaphysical principles/Platonic forms without reason" was meant to be changed to get rid of the ugly "*not*" but I forgot to change the rest of the sentence to "only with reason" to match.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 17 2021 22:11 utc | 114

Geez, and how did I forget the GUILT associated with his thoughts and temptations, compounded by his alleged Christian leanings. I would bet the mortgage that he watched a lot of porn but felt extremely guilty about it.

Finally, the fact is, most massage parlors where prostitution occurs are owned and staffed by Asian Americans. It was like that in every city I lived in while in the USA. The more I think and read about this, the less convinced I am that it was motivated by racism or xenophobia against China.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 17 2021 22:14 utc | 115

RJPJR @104--

"... it got loose,..."

In other words, it was an accident, not a purposeful, release into the environment. Okay, fair enough. If you've followed my writings on this topic for the past 14 months, you'll know my position is that in reality it makes no difference. Yes, I well know The Omega Man scenario as well as 13 Monkeys and others of that genre. Trump's treasonous, deliberate Do Nothing Policy and the likely motives of other actors continues to fuel the debate, but the geoeconomic and geopolitical consequences are perhaps the most solid evidence saying that COVID-19 was either natural or an accidental release as the greatest amount of damage has occurred to the Anti-Human Neoliberal nations as I predicted at the beginning.

The Microcosmos continues to be the least understood part of the Earth's biome and will likely provide more surprises as the ice and tundra melt. As evidence, we still get assaulted by Bubonic Plague, while new bugs with devastating affects emerge from recently mowed down rain forests. The vast majority of the planet's humans want to enjoy peaceful development and want nothing to do with weapons of any sort. IMO, it's past time to let them have their way.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 17 2021 22:17 utc | 116

China need not have been the sole target of a bioweapons attack. The attack may have been meant also to achieve targets in the West: (1) cause a lockdown that diverts attention from an imminent economic collapse; (2) kill old people who cause costs; (3) make big profits for Big Pharma; (4) increase the power of the Deep State and the Establishment; (5) prevent Trump's re-election. So the lack of an immediately available vaccine, far from being a problem, may have been part of the plan.

Posted by: lysias | Mar 17 2021 22:19 utc | 117

@ Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 17 2021 22:07 utc | 113

The SARS-CoV-2 is not a bioweapon. Of all the conspiracy theories around the virus, this is one of the 100% debunked, as we already have its genome available publicly and independent researchers have come to the same conclusion: it evolved naturally (they can do that with supercomputers, who can "reverse engineer" the virus, thus simulating its evolutionary path). Be at peace: the SARS-CoV-2 is not a bioweapon.

The most strong hypothesis being investigating by the WHO right now is that the swine fever that wiped out a huge chunk of China's pig farms' populations triggered a scarcity of the meat in Southeastern China. With this scarcity, the Southeastern Chinese begun to resort to wild animals' meat to fill the protein void left by the lack of pork in their diets, which accelerated an already ongoing process of evolution of the virus.

Posted by: vk | Mar 17 2021 22:19 utc | 118

@ steven t johnson | Mar 17 2021 22:11 utc | 114

Using the Occam Razor, with all the information and evidences is a good way, and also if we look to the "elefant in the room" which is that the virus was extremely, I mean extremely "pre-adapted" to infect the human body from the minute cero, and it is the first time something like this happens, the virologists and biologists should expect the emergence os some rare disease, infecting some people, and may be endemic in some parts of the world, but what never nobody has seen before is so huge capacity to infect and expand in so perfectly from the very beginning without prior notice, not after passing decades after decades sharpening the weapons and increasing, by natural selection and time, the capacity to infect de humans.

No, this virus was created, or manipulated, in a lab, probably by passing it during many virus generations on human lung cell cultures during months or years, to "pre-adapt" the virus extremely well to the human cells.

About the intent of those researchs, I think they were trying to learn how prevent the next SARS pandemic trying to know how the virus evolves (a joint investigation between Wuhan lab + Peter Daszak EcoHealth Alliance+ NIH), but they fell in a self-fulfilling prophecy.

This could be the project, or other similar based on GoF studies

https://reporter.nih.gov/project-details/9819304

Posted by: DFC | Mar 17 2021 22:32 utc | 119

@ Posted by: DFC | Mar 17 2021 22:32 utc | 119

We dominate the planet for some time now, so it is logical that every virus with pandemic potential to be perfectly adapted to the human world. That's the most important aspect of the Law of Natural Selection: it is always the environment that decides which specimens will survive and thrive and which will not.

Every pandemic virus is, by definition, perfectly adapted to the world where it is a pandemic.

Posted by: vk | Mar 17 2021 22:39 utc | 120

Not Convinced @ 92:

If you were living in Vancouver when you had those Chinese friends, I am betting those friends were of a Hong Kong middle class background. Most such people, and older men especially if they have been brought up in pre-1949 traditional snooty middle class money-and-status-worshipping Chinese ways, are only friendly up to a point (if they think you have money). If they help you in any way, even if trivial, they do expect something back. Giving freely of your time and effort, and not expecting anything back, is not part of Hong Kong culture.

My folks who used to visit aged relatives in HK get the cold shoulder if they spoke Taishanese to shop assistants in HK. If they switch to English or standard Cantonese, then the shop assistants come over all apologetic and helpful.

In my street in Sydney, we have had a mix of HK, Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese neighbours. The Mainland Chinese neighbours are friendly and helpful people, the ones from HK and Taiwan have never been friendly.

Sorry that you got the rough end of cultural differences between northern (Mandarin-speaking) and southern Chinese (Cantonese-speaking) cultures. We Cantonese have had more exposure to Western cultural values (British and American) and we picked up a lot of their bad habits: subservient to people above us in class, treating people below us badly.

Bear in mind also that many Chinese people in Vancouver come from a wealthy social layer in HK and probably Mainland China, and have been enticed by the Canadian govt and provincial govts in BC and Quebec to invest monies in dubious investor schemes. These investors are looking to park money in offshore tax-avoidance schemes and minimise or avoid their tax obligations to Beijing. You would want to avoid those sorts of people irrespective of whether they're Chinese or not.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 17 2021 22:54 utc | 121

@ 101 william gruff... that was my thought exactly reading page 1 of the comments, prior to seeing your comment!

@ 121 jen... an important distinction that we have talked about before... i agree... i am not convinced about this not convinced character...

Posted by: james | Mar 17 2021 22:59 utc | 122

Back to the subject, I wonder how shocked the Asian-American community must be right now: they must fell betrayed.

After all, most non-Japanese Asian immigrant elements in the USA came to the country during the Cold War. They are the scum of the scum, the most right-wing members of the American society right now, below just the white supremacists. They're the last remnants of South Vietnam, other dictatorships from SE Asia (Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines etc.), pre-Communist era Chinese mafia (Triad) members and their families and Taiwan nationalists. They don't see themselves as "Asian-Americans", but literally as honorary white Americans. They don't have a "Plan B" against a white supremacist from the Deep South exterminating them on the basis they're the inferior race; it simply wasn't in their greater scheme of things.

My guess is the Asian-American community - specially their ideologues - must be paralyzed right now. They will try to re-route this white supremacist rage to an anti-communist cause (as they've been trying to do for decades now), but history shows they're doomed to fail.

It's amusing to observe this phenomenon, of right-wingers killing themselves.

Posted by: vk | Mar 17 2021 23:02 utc | 123

One certain effect of the pandemic was the triggering of the Outlaw US Empire's financial crisis that was waiting to occur which turned the never recovered from Obama Great Recession into what will become Great Depression 2.0, and already has for millions. With the latest round of unrestrained money printing by the Fed, the dollar's purchasing power hit a new all time low as revealed by the bottommost chart at the link. The text surrounding the chart says the following:

"The politically incorrect term for consumer price inflation, which is what CPI tracks, is 'loss of purchasing power of the consumer dollar,' and thereby the loss of purchasing power of labor denominated in dollars. And the purchasing power of the consumer dollar has dropped to a new all-time low in February, according to the BLS data today:

"And now the Fed wants the dollar to lose purchasing power even faster, and thereby the Fed wants the purchasing power of labor to decline along with it. And by the dynamics now transpiring, it looks like the Fed will get its wishes fulfilled. [My Emphasis]

The entire text ought to be bolded, but I chose to highlight the clearly Anti-Human actions of the Fed as it escalates the Class War. The chart irrefutably details US Government policy since the 2007-8 Financial Swindle of continually attacking wage earners, even during Trump's term. That chart ought to be seen next to Shadowstats GDP chart that shows continual GDP shrinkage over those same years and further into the past. The Parasites keep gorging themselves on human lives causing an ever higher percentage to kill themselves as they perceive living life to be not only worthless but hopeless--every such suicide is a murder committed by the 1% and its accomplices at the Fed and elsewhere.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 17 2021 23:28 utc | 124

Mr. RJPJR

You have not produced any evidence for the synthetic nature of COVID-19.

NONE.

There have been periodic pandemics in the past, roughly corresponding to Sun-Spot Cycles.

Google it.

Posted by: Fyi | Mar 18 2021 0:00 utc | 125

"...not an attack." My two cents:

One can argue the specifics of bio-ethics and science, endlessly debate the often obscure details of the events leading up to the putative "pandemic," and one can question the obvious media collusion supporting the official narrative.

The overall picture as I view the whole range of events and likely future scenarios, is clearly an extremely well-planned SCHEME to rescue the Western banksters from impending disaster by using the guise of public health protection, to impose a heightened level of control on the governments and populations of the world, starting with (but not limited to) the countries that are key participants in the momentous, gargantuan program -- China's BRI -- that pose the greatest economic threat to Western hegemony.

This is nothing short of an attempted international coup-de'tat using the wealth and power of the top elites in conjunction with all the Western corporate networks they also control. It is a huge coordinated effort along with the aggressive hybrid warfare against China and Russia, which is promoted through all the corporate media in the West and perpetrated through NATO and Five Eyes coerced cooperation. I don't believe China's (or Russia's) intentions are malicious -- they are rather the target.

My guess is it will not work in the long run because the truth will out. A lot of people already see through the fake news and recognize the scam (I'm not saying "the virus isn't real" so don't lay that BS on me). But it will do a great deal of harm and cause a lot of misery in the meantime, as other geopolitical and military schemes in play have already done and continue to wreak havoc.

Posted by: norecovery | Mar 18 2021 0:14 utc | 126

The rare white sex fiend hating on asian Americans. We all know hate crime data shows unfortunately, that folk my color do most of the hate criming.

Gotta keep it trill. I hate to say it as a black man but it's true.


Posted by: Dogon Priest | Mar 18 2021 0:17 utc | 127

PS

@vk
That Locke article read like a Quaker catechism. Pure speculative and mindless twaddle.

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Mar 18 2021 0:22 utc | 128

ot - i almost thought i was on a different thread!

speaking of pandemics and sun- spots, andre barbault predicted a potential pandemic in 2020 based off the jupiter-saturn- pluto triple conjunction... he made this prediction in a book which was published in 2016 - english translation and probably much earlier in the french edition of the book... now, one has to be very careful because astrology is bordering on shamanism, or an interest in sun spot cycles and we know according to certain religions which shall go un named - that is is considered very very very evil - heaven forbid!!! so for those who are waiting for the tooth ferry at night - you can read this.. but for those who think their authoritarian viewpoint of religion is the last word - i hope you skipped over this post! else you might be suffering from the evil eye at this point!!

Posted by: james | Mar 18 2021 0:23 utc | 129

Being an asian myself, I think this is a false flag to move away from discussion hate crimes against asian to the usual "white supremacy vs. China" claptrap, coupled with gun control.

And was that FB post photoshop? Never got a bearing on it.

Posted by: Smith | Mar 18 2021 0:31 utc | 130

* To expand on the hormone/prostitute thing, as Bob points out above me, there is indeed such a thing as "incel" culture in the West and in Asia. Incel is a term used by (mostly) younger men who consider themselves to be involuntarily celibate. It might be hard for some of us older folks to understand, but young men his age have been immersed in porn from the moment they could use a computer. I didn't have access to pornography online until the mid to late 90s, and it consisted of still photos, video consumed too much bandwidth for dialup connections. What many may not know is that not only has his generation been exposed to a LOT of porn on-demand since their adolescence, but a LOT of it is also very rough and demeaning toward women. There are of course niches for men who want to be submissive and cuckholded, etc., but most young men his age I have read about are into the rough stuff. I'm talking choking to just before the point that the woman loses consciousness, extremely abusive behaviors, etc.

Incels often express rage at women in general because women, as they observe, have all the power in today's world when it comes to selecting sexual partners. That it's been this way in MOST civilized countries for a long time seems to escape them. But they openly yearn for the days when men could - in whatever manner they imagine it - have sex with virtually any woman they wanted. They feel helpless. Elliot Rodger was a perfect example of a self-identified incel who went on a similar murder spree.

I for one can empthasize with this.... Before I went off to the war I could meet girls easily through our singles club at Purdue. But afterward, meeting a girl for a pizza much less anything else, was very difficult. Most of them were simply not available.

It was not until the 74-75 recession, which put millions out of work, and destroyed countless families, that singles clubs came of age again, and I could meet women my age (30s) easily.

The problem, as I see it, is simply too many options for a girl to flirt from behind a curtain. We have bought the coolaid that women are abused by men, forgetting that most abuse is fomented by women.

The circuit breaker, was going abroad to find a girl/wife. The women did their utmost to make this difficult.

Then, when one found a USA girl, in most cases she was either a gold digger, or not physically/emotionally healthy.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Mar 18 2021 0:35 utc | 131

Wow, can’t believe I read through these posts to make to the bottom to post!

Wow, can’t believe how many insanely stupid people are openly posting their insanely racist & biased views!

Wow, I can’t believe out of all these posts, nobody noticed that it prob. wasn’t b who wrote it!

‘“ One wonders how that "unclear motive" got planted into the dude's mind. “

Had to have been a guest poster, b don’t use the vernacular “dude”...

Posted by: Blues Guy | Mar 18 2021 0:37 utc | 132

norecovery @126--

This event was drastically upstaged by Biden's idiocy. I agree with the Saker, although we both doubt diplomatic relations will be broken completely:

"Yes, all of the above is completely unprecedented: not even in the worst hours of the Cold War did western politicians use that kind of language. What we witness today is not only truly extremely dangerous, it is also the end of diplomacy. Yes, I know, ever since the Obama administration, US “diplomats” were mostly unprofessional political appointees with a fantastically low level of education, fully compensated by an fantastically high level of arrogance and hypocrisy. But while the likes of Psaki would spew any idiocy imaginable, US Presidents have never sunk to the level of Biden." [My Emphasis]

I don't know what the reply will be, but IMO it will be hardball, likely in Syria. I don't pick Ukraine because a hard, visible Russian response there is exactly what the Neocons want to occur so they can bray. Regardless, the Domesday Clock is now closer to Midnight than ever before, IMO.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 18 2021 0:38 utc | 133

Wow, 133 comments already?!?!?

Sensitive subject.

I will just say my opinion not knowing much about the perp other than the ghastly mug and profile shots available.

These are most likely "Happy Ending" parlors where the perp probably got what he went there for, being a lowly creature that he probably was.

Then, trying to get the Lady McBeth "guilt-spot" out, he probably came back to bury the evidence of his improprieties in his own warped sense.

!!!!!!! Do Not Read Story Below if Weak Stomache or Do Not Want This Negativity !!!!!!

I am reminded of a local story where a married fellow who was quite pathetic, stalked a fellow's fiance in their complex. One morning, at gunpoint he forced her into a vehicle on her way to work, drove a bit, forced her to perform fellatio, and then, probably through tears of guilt, he shot her dead and dumped her.

It made the local news big time and his pathetic, crying mug was shown all over.

!!!!!!!!!!! Horrific Story End !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A man who blows his load under those indecent circumstances can go bonkers trying to right the ship. My guess is he was trying to turn over a new leaf and these poor working ladies couldn't get rubbed from his memory so easy.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 18 2021 0:51 utc | 134

Addendum to my post:

I think b seriously overestimates the amount of enmity we Americans by and large have for the Chinese.

Surely MAGA folks want nothing more to do with China.

And Surely there are neocons and moneyed interests that seek continually pushing "humanitarian" interest pieces in news outlets re: human rights in China.

And surely there are many urban dems/libs who are white collar admins and profit mightily from our "relationship" with China.

...

b is unreliable here at connecting the dots and, once again, it is from his inability to understand America, or, to put it a better way, his inability to constantly unwind and deconstruct the monolith of "American," where b often makes the mistake that the NYT is able to reach all in its profundity.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 18 2021 1:07 utc | 135

Mr. Dr. George W Oprisko

I agree.

Young nubile women, from good families, were very well protected not too long ago.

Posted by: Fyi | Mar 18 2021 1:32 utc | 136

what happened to the tweetshot at The Daily Mao? Violation of Twitter policy?

Posted by: dadooronron | Mar 18 2021 2:05 utc | 137

"...most non-Japanese Asian immigrant elements in the USA came to the country during the Cold War."
vk this is simply not true. Vast numbers of Chinese migrants came to the US in the C19th- they got to California in '49.
They also supplied much of the labour on the railroad construction schemes. They were subjected to appalling treatment, often at the behest of "white" Trade Unions.
I believe that Herbert Hoover's fortune was built in part on the indentured labour trade from China. And then there were the guano operations in Peru and Chile.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 18 2021 2:09 utc | 138

@Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 18 2021 0:38 utc | 133:

........spew any idiocy imaginable, US Presidents have never sunk to the level of Biden."

C'mon, let's cut the incumbent POTUS some slack. He's in mid-stage dementia. He knowst not what he sayst.

As for what Putin might or might not do regarding Syria, I rather think whatever POTUS says makes little difference. Putin is not the kind who flies off on a tangent on silly rhetoric. He'll do whatever makes Russia looks good and whoever being the POTUS looks bad. In the near future things will remain quite on the Syria front because there are other things more pressing, such as whether the Quad is a go. Two years later it will be clear Quad ain't no go. Then you worry about Syria/Ukraine. But by then too it will be clear the Empire is a goner.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 18 2021 2:12 utc | 139

They better start arming up, form their own militias and be willing to fight. I can see this going sideways rather quickly as the tensions between China and US heats up. The blacks will have it better than Asians will.

Posted by: Ian2 | Mar 18 2021 3:40 utc | 140

Stephen T. Johnson @ @113 says: "The first principle of biological warfare is to have a vaccine against your own weapon. <=there are more than one people saying the vaccine will cause more mutation..and I agree with you Bayes rule is highly relevant.


goats oil, motor oil, papaya, quail and jackfruit test positive

President of Tanzania mysterious disappearance since he famously had his office submit five un-labelled samples for testing – goat, motor oil, papaya, quail and jackfruit – and when four came back positive and one “inconclusive”, he banned the testing kits and called for an investigation into their origin and manufacture.

read this
quote from the link "Virtually the entire [Vaccine and Lock down] program has been directed by Bill Gates. He was the man who came up with the idea of lock downs (quarantining the healthy), which is something that no one had ever thought of before. And he is, as we all know, the main force behind the vaccine. Recently, he’s begun simply making public statements directing society, the implication being that he is now dictating directly to the people how they are supposed to behave, and what kind of new society will emerge from this fake coronavirus crisis that he himself manufactured.

with regards to the above two links, i am just the messenger .. can anyone account for the where abouts of
the President of Tanzania.. and is the unz.com article accurate .. ?

but they do speak to norecovery @ 126 who says" This is nothing short of an attempted international coup-de'tat using the wealth and power of the top elites in conjunction with all the Western corporate networks they also control. It is a huge coordinated effort along with the aggressive hybrid warfare against China and Russia, which is promoted through all the corporate media in the West and perpetrated through NATO and Five Eyes coerced cooperation. I don't believe China's (or Russia's) intentions are malicious -- they are rather the target."

Mr. RJPJR

Fyi @ 125 says: You have not produced any evidence for the synthetic nature of COVID-19. <= and I say
You have not produced evidence to show the COVID 19 is completely natural (not a product of some type of genetic engineering) either.

@ 126 says "the Corona 19 virus induced Pandemic is clearly an extremely well-planned SCHEME"

all in all, the best way to answer this is to develop a null hypothesis allow it stand until disproved..

1. Corona-19 Virus is a natural virus which has been genetically engineered?

2. The COVID-19 pandemic was planned in advance of the publicity about the virus and executed by profit seekers?


3. The mRNA vaccines are likely to increase the virulence of corona virus.

prove these three hypothesis wrong. Then we can move on

Posted by: snake | Mar 18 2021 3:54 utc | 141

@ Posted by: bevin | Mar 18 2021 2:09 utc | 138

I doubt there are many Sino-Americans alive today who are descendants of the railway workers of the 19th Century - at least outside of California.

The killings happened in Georgia.

Posted by: vk | Mar 18 2021 4:02 utc | 142

I’m surprised that you are going there, B.
If massage parlors were traditionally staffed with Eskimos, and the killer was pissed about the killing of seals and whales by said Eskimos, would you write a similar article?
You are playing into the hands of divide and rule. With racism mixed with politics.
SMH

This shit is way beyond what I would ever expect from you.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Mar 18 2021 4:57 utc | 143

@lysias 117,

I was thinking the same thing. Some weapon: it spares the young and strong, killing the old and weak, thus making its victim stronger.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would've been asking: cui bono? Cui bono? That would've been societies with the highest burden of the old and sick.

Even for a conspiracy theorist it seems quite far-fetched. But then, what's the innocent explanation for "no resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the nursing home solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19"? Bureaucratic insanity? Hmm, perhaps.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Mar 18 2021 5:10 utc | 144

@ Posted by: Cadence calls | Mar 18 2021 4:57 utc | 143

False equivalence, for two reasons:

1) the killer explicitly said he wanted to kill Asians, not prostitutes; and

2) your hypothetical scenario is impossible, since the Eskimos do not have a nation-state, let alone a rival superpower akin to China (which represents, in the fascist ideology, the Asian/Mongoloid "race").

Posted by: vk | Mar 18 2021 5:22 utc | 145

Snake@141:

https://news.yahoo.com/unseen-two-weeks-tanzanian-leader-190514886.html
John Magufuli, President of tanzania, is dead:

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 18 2021 5:27 utc | 146

I think we can safely assume that if the murderer was brown or black not one media rag would have any doubts about his motives.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 18 2021 5:29 utc | 147

@104 RJPJR

Thanks for your contributions in this thread. I enjoyed every word, from a capable journalist. And in all, what you write illustrates a very lucid picture of the situation as it can be understood so far. Much is still missing, of course.

I get the impression that BS4 labs are rare enough in this world that they are applied to by multiple countries and agencies for multiple projects, or pieces of projects. Rather in the same way that the US had to use Russian rockets to get its astronauts to the space station, I suspect that limited facilities means taking contracts from odd bedfellows in this specialized level of research.

Fauci was committed to that insane gain-of-function research for coronavirus, and he was forced to go offshore to defy the US ban. Wuhan was an obvious choice. But one wonders what team of planners later then recognized the Wuhan location as a great place for the virus to appear in public. If it got loose by accident before its time, it's tempting to think that this happened first in the US, and taking it to Wuhan, perhaps through the war games, was a perfect decoy.

If we don't die of the virus first, we'll go crazy from speculation.

As others have said in this thread, there are many anomalous things that remain to be understood, and I suspect 2019 was the emergence of many somewhat different layers of agenda, all colliding, colluding, overlapping and interpenetrating each other. And perhaps some of those layers were forced into action, also before their time.

What a story it will make if we can ever piece it all together.

Posted by: Grieved | Mar 18 2021 5:34 utc | 148

@129 james - andre barbault predicted a potential pandemic in 2020

I have no problem with astrology...did he happen to predict any more following after 2020?

Posted by: Grieved | Mar 18 2021 5:36 utc | 149

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 17 2021 22:17 utc | 116

I am not sure why you say Trump's "treasonous, do nothing strategy", as Democratic governors and mayors also took a major part in the apparent debacle. This always struck me as a Fort Detrick leak (July 2019), then an effort at coverup (e-cig vapur, 2019 fall) and then, when the seriousness of the disease became more apparent, the redirection to tar China with the leak (Nov, Wuhan, military games seeding) which ultimately failed as China defeated the virus quickly(Jan 20) before it allegedly escaped to the world outside China (since debunked).

The duopoly worked more or less together in the display of "incompetence" led by the likes of the lying Fauci and his backers that helped, perhaps intentionally, to spread the disease and keep it going, so that the focus could be on blaming China and hiding the US responsiblity/culpability for the leak. This "incompetence" was primarily realized in the US/EU/NATO set of of countries. Trump may just have been assigned the role of useful idiot and fed misinformation and advice. Alternatively, he may have been a insider, not just a patsy. We know presidents and politicians do not really run the show in the US. There are any number of quislings in the oligarchic ranks that benefit from disaster capitalism.

This scenario is no less likely than any other proposed as far as I can see. There is certainly nothing improbable about it. As far as it not mattering whether the virus was a leak or naturally occurring, it certainly does matter. It is one of the differences that may be used as a propaganda justification for war or no war between China and the US. It is certainly being used to justify attacking China economically.


Posted by: Bluedotterel | Mar 18 2021 6:39 utc | 150

He didn't connect the dots to FAUCI and GATES.

Posted by: remo | Mar 18 2021 7:26 utc | 151

Doubter @7
"China is an authoritarian state and its government is evil, I am confident that nearly everyone has this view."

Speak for your little self, and start buying at least a couple milligrams of doubt (look that word up before you use it) before generalizing your phobias to "nearly everyone".

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Mar 18 2021 10:02 utc | 152

A lot of the more "desirable" potential partners are simply 'online' (using apps like Tinder for example) to flirt and tease, never with any real intent of meeting in person or forming relationships.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 17 2021 22:01 utc | 112

Grim times. After years of futile efforts, when you are not so young anymore, you finally get a meeting in person, only to be arrested on the spot by police conducting a sting operation (my collage of your report with actual news stories).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 18 2021 10:42 utc | 153

Bluedotterel @Mar18 6:39 #150

Yes, Democrats went along. Just as they went along with Trump's foreign policy.

But the failed pandemic response was a national strategy that was led by Trump and executed by the Trump Administration.

Trump dismantled the WH pandemic team before the pandemic. The Trump Administration classified pandemic discussions, and Trump blatantly lied to the American people about the severity of the virus as he dragged his feet on anti-pandemic measures. Trump's China travel ban was nothing more than a smokescreen: travels could easily book through other countries and there was not checking of passengers once they arrived in USA (they were asked to self-identify).

Then, once the Trump Administration finally took action, he instituted guaranteed-to-fail policies: self-isolation (instead of proper quarantine) and 'bend the curve' (instead of eradicate the virus) and undermined the pandemic response by promising early vaccines (first, summer then by election day, then by the end of the year) and refusing to wear a mask. Plus, the Trump Administrations contact tracing efforts were meek at best.

On the whole, anti-pandemic measures that worked for countries that fought the pandemic effectively were virtually ignored. And every time that there was progress against the pandemic, demands to 'open up' the economy ensured set-backs that caused a second wave (and now we have a looming third wave).

Anyone that is even slightly cynical would question if the Western pandemic response was planned-to-fail to save money on elder care (as the West engages in a military build-up), promote bio-warfare technology (mRNA), and stoke anger toward China.

<> <> <> <>

Very few want to see, let alone question, the wierdness surrounding this pandemic:

  • What happended at Ft. Detrick?
  • Why did Bolton leave the Trump Administration under suspicious circumstances just before the pandemic?
  • How strangely fortuitous it was that the ARAMACO IPO was done just before the pandemic hit.
  • Trump's lying to Americans was memory-holed after he supposedly was infected and staged his treatment/recovery stunts: Walter Reed Hospital (he didn't have to go there) and triumphant return to the White House.
  • New York State Governor Cuomo is now beset by flimsy sexual allegations - this seems likely (to this observer) to be an effort to avoid discussion of the failed policy of self-isolation of the sick (sick people infected family members that cared for them and those family members brought the virus out to the community while they were asymptomatic).

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 18 2021 13:08 utc | 155

In 2021 America, being a victim and a member of a victim class grants you privileges. That's not to say that there are no victims or victim classes, but it is understandable why everyone jockeys for victim status.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 18 2021 15:10 utc | 156

Doubter @ 7

"China is an authoritarian state and its government is evil, I am confident that nearly everyone has this view. "

Pray tell what state do you come from? Pot calling the kettle black? Good and evil like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Posted by: LM | Mar 18 2021 15:12 utc | 157

Mr. Snake:

The old adage always applies: "I cannot prove a negative."

Where is the positive proof in all of these assertions?

Posted by: fyi | Mar 18 2021 15:19 utc | 158

@ fyi | Mar 18 2021 15:19 utc | 158 who keeps being a contrarian

Maybe I have missed it along the way but please tell us fellow barflies where your values are in regard to public or private owned finance?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 18 2021 15:23 utc | 159

Mr. psychohistorian

I have no opinions on the subject matter that you have raised.

Posted by: fyi | Mar 18 2021 15:56 utc | 160

@ vk | Mar 17 2021 22:39 utc | 120

"We dominate the planet for some time now, so it is logical that every virus with pandemic potential to be perfectly adapted to the human world"

Nope, like in the case of Ebola, Zika, SARS, MERS and many others new zoonosis, they start slowly because a natural brand new virus from another animal host is not fully adapted to the human cells and is not so "efficient", it could take many decades, and with the kind of surveillance in China and other places for respiratory illness after SARS (the 1º) it is almost impossible this kind of slow motion virus (like SARS or MERS) could have developed unnotice to the pandemic level.

No, this virus was perfectly pre-adapted to the human host in a lab, and very very well adapted, they made a heck of good job adapting it to us, and I said before, was made in order to understand how coronavirus could evolve to a pandemic level, which was the target of the Peter Daszak research in Wuhan (paid by the NIH)

Posted by: DFC | Mar 18 2021 16:21 utc | 161

@ Grieved | Mar 18 2021 5:36 utc | 149... thanks grieved... no, he didn't... he predicted a few before the 2020 pandemic, but he died in the past few years... he also predicted a positive world dynamis in the 2026 area due saturn-neptune conjunction and a few other set ups... saturn-neptune is typically associated with socialism or communism in the past... i wonder how that plays out on the world stage??

Posted by: james | Mar 18 2021 16:37 utc | 162

@ Posted by: DFC | Mar 18 2021 16:21 utc | 161

Yes, but once they hit the human world, either they adapt or they die. Survivor bias.

Posted by: vk | Mar 18 2021 16:44 utc | 163

@ fyi | Mar 18 2021 15:56 utc | 160 who wrote about public/private finance

"
I have no opinions on the subject matter that you have raised.
"

Thanks for the response. You must understand that for me, your response means you and I are on different planets together and I will not be bothering myself with reading your comments going forward.....Have a good life!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 18 2021 16:58 utc | 164

Mr. psychohistorian

There are indeed very good reasons for men such as yourself to be relegated to obscure corners of the Internet to rage against the world; it is preventing people like you from causing more harm to actual human beings.

Consider: you go out of your way to use your faculty of speech to try to emotionally wound other human beings.

And you claim - implicitly - to want to improve the world?

I think not.

Posted by: fyi | Mar 18 2021 18:02 utc | 165

Has anyone else ever been in the Deep South and seen the sort of massage parlor that is at the center of the headline story? They are brothels. The saddest brothels you ever saw. The women may be Asian, their more striking characteristic is they are the lowest of the low. As low on the totem pole as you can get. Most are chattel slaves. If lucky after they are too sick to continue working they get retired to jobs cleaning toilets and washing dishes. If unlucky the disposal crew dumps them in the swamp. It’s not like they have friends or family or anyone would notice.

No one would confuse these bottom rung sex workers with Yellow Peril. No one. Not even the mentally ill. Take a look at photo of the supposed perp. That middle class man has never been near the wrong side of town. He would not touch who works in a gutbucket brothel.

I seldom pay much attention to mass shooting stories. Not my cup of tea and most are fake. Stopping to look at this one briefly it screams fake. Just the Mighty Wurlitzer putting all of us through our paces.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 18 2021 18:03 utc | 166

It is not the first time that people here lament that b' is not as good as b.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 18 2021 18:25 utc | 167

The parasite host here- (A parasite is an organism that has sustained contact with another organism to the detriment of the host organism.) - has defended Trumps character on numerous occasions. Trump is a War Criminal.

Why does the parasite host defend a war criminal?

Why does the parasite host conveniently ignore Trumps "Wuhan Flu" repeated allegations, that Trump blurted out to the world again and again? Why would this para-site blog point to the media and ignore the obvious?

We all say words we perhaps regret- but we also must stand behind our words and answer to them, for them- or hide behind our complete BS.

Do the words 'disingenuous', 'credibility' or 'hypocrisy' actually mean anything on a blog (para)site that uses words daily?

Posted by: CitizenX | Mar 18 2021 18:57 utc | 168

@ citizenX

i can safely ignore some posters, but i am curious @ citizenX, what are you hoping for here??? are you wanting an apology or something of that nature from our host b? or is it due the fact he didn't mention trump calling it the china virus that has got your goat? i mentioned it.. i don't think b is defending trump here... in terms of being a war criminal - all usa leaders including biden are war criminals... so, you think it is necessary to single out trump for what reason?? thanks..

Posted by: james | Mar 18 2021 19:06 utc | 169

not convinced | Mar 17 2021 15:41 utc | 38

The Chinese are not liked not because of racism, but because of how they behave.

This sounds to me like: "I don't like Africans, not because I am racist, but because they smell horrible."

It also reminds me of a conversation I once had with the (African) chairman of the Anti-Racist League (of Cambridge, UK) who quoted Abba Eban (with approval) as saying: "Racism is the product of the Anglo-Saxon mind."

Posted by: foolisholdman | Mar 18 2021 19:22 utc | 170

@KC, 71

There has always been a thin veneer, now being a bit thicker than in the past, covering Anglo/American/White supremacy pervading the US government's foreign and domestic policies. The US corporate media - long co-opted by the profit motive and CIA/NSA spooks - has always sought to instill a fear in the population of "the other" whether that's Chinese, Russians, Blacks, IranIraqAfghanistan-is, the Irish, the Italians, the Polish or Latin Americans.

Both sides of the sleeping political divide in that country don't even seem to realize they're swimming in this propaganda, and the PTB use it to distract the people from the perpetual giveaway of the natural treasure and commons to private entities and corporations/banks, especially after the de-industrialization/financialization of America began.

Killary's fervid supporters are convinced that Russia and Putin gave Trump the election. Trump and his supporters are convinced that the "chinavirus" and lockdowns associated with it, as well as Venezuela (of course) are responsible for his own electoral loss. It is only possible to play both "sides" like this - AND to convince Americans that they are the exceptional society (of course, mainly recalling the 40s and 50s) because of the underlying attitudes of white "European" (a definition which has morphed in whatever manner that is convenient to divide the working class) supremacy that Americans have always been marinating in back to the era of slavery.

Or to paraphrase, Caitline Johnstone's succinct formulation:

Republicans (and Conservatives) Hate China.

Democrats (and Liberals) Hate Russia.

In other words, there is a political division of labor in America's Demonization Machine.

Although to be fair, the Hate China/Hate Russia/Hate Islam, etc. ideology just blurs into one massive festering blob of vitriol that all sections of the American political spectrum embrace to one degree or another.

That great champion of racial tolerance and equality, Donald Trump, was only more naked about his malign instincts.

United We Regime Change, Sanction, Bomb, Invade--and Hate!

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 18 2021 19:39 utc | 171

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 18 2021 10:42 utc | 153

I should have been more clear - when I said "desirable partners" I wasn't being specific to women. There are probably plenty of men who come off as quite a 'catch' but have no intent of ever meeting with the girls that contact them through these dating apps. Likely the same in the LGBT-what-have-you category too.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 18 2021 21:16 utc | 172

This doesn't pass the smell test.

Think about it, why target Asian massage parlors, most of the women are not even Chinese, but primarily Thai, Vietnamese or Cambodian. Why would a guy on an anti-vendetta single out massage parlors? For every Vietnamese massage parlor in Atlanta there are at least 100 Chinese restaurants, so this nut drove past a dozen Chinese eateries full of actual Chinese are instead targets a massage parlor? I am not buying this for a minute. There are also several Asian grocery stores in these same areas. No this is fake nonsense.

Posted by: AlexP | Mar 18 2021 21:21 utc | 173

Posted by: vk | Mar 17 2021 23:02 utc | 123

Same applies with the Venezuelan and Cuban ex-pats or their kids. They are the offspring of the colonialists ("white" or "guero") who had some of their ill-begotten wealth (land, oil leases, sugar cane farms, etc.) taken away by democratically elected or popular-among-the-indigenous coup leaders. Most of them live in Miami, Montreal, or Spain. Every single one of them that I ever came into contact with gravitated FAR right and supported, nay, cheerlead every single American action against a leftist government in Latin America. Too many Americans don't yet realize that these actions are an inevitable effect of global/corporate/colonialist capitalism.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 18 2021 21:28 utc | 174

fyi | Mar 17 2021 21:38 utc | 109

The late Baruch Spinoza, the Supreme Rationalist, established with metaphysical certainty that the most useful thing to a human being is another human.

Yeah! But you can go off people!

Posted by: foolisholdman | Mar 18 2021 21:33 utc | 175

Alex P @ 173

Agree.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 18 2021 21:54 utc | 176

@ 173 alex p and @ 176 oldhippie.

glad you guys have a clear grasp on the mind of a psychotic murderer... of course they would distinguish the asian variety they are murdering and could have been a bit more judicious while they were murdering them too! answer this... has the usa gone off the deep end with its hatred and racism towards china?? do you think some ignoramus who is insane enough to murder innocent people would think like you two??? frankly i can't see it myself, but maybe you are more knowledgeable on this then i give you credit for... the way i see it people who murder others who are innocent are essentially insane... the usa media coverage of all things china from what i have seen has been insane too... i think there is a direct connection myself...

Posted by: james | Mar 18 2021 22:15 utc | 177

vk | Mar 17 2021 22:19 utc | 118

The most strong hypothesis being investigating by the WHO right now is that the swine fever that wiped out a huge chunk of China's pig farms' populations triggered a scarcity of the meat in Southeastern China.

I should think that it is pretty certain that the ASF which appeared suddenly and simultaneously in two widely separated parts of China and in Russia, was a bioweapons attack. Covid-19 may have been an accident but it certainly had been worked on in both China and the USA (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill).

The unexplained and badly covered up leakage from Fort Detrick and other bio-warfare labs in the US, the unexplained sickness of the US Army Athletes(?) in Wuhan just before the outbreak there, the USG banning US doctors from testing for the cause of "curious" diseases and the ban on doing autopsies on the people who died of the same, the report in the Times of Israel of a report of an epidemic of a "Nasty" unknown disease in Wuhan by US Intelligence, before the Chinese recognized what was going on, the New York Mayor who fell ill before the people in Wuhan and later tested positive as a recovered victim and many other things point to this being an accidental escape from the US's bio-war program.

Oh Yes! And I would add: all the shouting about the "lack of transparency" by the Chinese, sounds to me, like a desire to stave off any investigation of the possible origin of the infection in the USA. I would also add that the investigation by the WHO into the virus's origin seems massively suspect, seeing that it is headed up by a colleague of Fauci and one who was himself one of the researchers into corona viruses in Wuhan and the US!

It would in fact, not surprise me if both the Chinese and the US both want to cover up their part in creating this virus, for their own various reasons, but chiefly because the Chinese were conned into doing this and don't want to admit it and acknowledging this as an attack would be a causus belli, which neither side wants.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Mar 18 2021 22:17 utc | 178

Just pulled up an image gallery for Robert Aaron Long. There he is in wing tip collar, bow tie, tuxedo. The tie is well-tied and he looks very comfortable in the tux. This is not a cracker. This is not a guy who pays $20 for a $5 hooker in a shithole brothel. This is an actor. An upper middle class actor.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 18 2021 22:30 utc | 179

Xenophobia and racism related to the COVID-19 pandemic wikipedia link..

Posted by: james | Mar 18 2021 23:25 utc | 180

@171 ak74

Somewhat agree with the China/Russia hate assertion.

Though I will say that most deplorables entertain no illusions about war with China and instead want to be rid merely of our trading "relationship."

But, as to our ire, it should be equally shared between the U.S. elites who sold us down the road to China as well as the Chinese gov't who seized on the opportunity yo undercut U.S. Labor to our workers'detriment.

China therefore deserves a lot of mistrust on the part of us. However, the situation could be mitigated by either party, the U.S. gov't under a conservative admin or the CCP to end our relationship.

Russia, on the other hand, deserves absolutely no ire from the average American. Russia deserves our applause.

That many of the commentariat here who constantly defend China when they should be also advocating for a return to industrialized America (read: the end of Chinese/American relations) speaks volumes as to their academic-derived removal from the average laborer in the U.S.. And these are the "socialists."

Smh.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 19 2021 0:13 utc | 181

https://www.rt.com/usa/518445-elderly-woman-beats-assailant/

Elderly chinese (of the cantonese variety) got sucker punched by a white thug, proceeded to kick his ass with a stick and he ended up on a stretcher.

She reminds me of my grandma, strong as heck lady.

Posted by: Smith | Mar 19 2021 0:42 utc | 182

@162 james

Good, I'll take that as a prediction: things turn positive in 2026. And more socialism in the world.

Five years to survive, then - not so bad! :)

Posted by: Grieved | Mar 19 2021 1:15 utc | 183

#177 James
You missed the main point. If this were a real anti-asian vendetta there is a target rich environment around Atlanta. Near the first massage parlor there are 7 Chinese eateries or food shops within 1/2 mile radius. None of these were targeted.
Instead he went multiples farther to another massage parlor.
Use your head for more than a hat rack.

Posted by: AlexP | Mar 19 2021 2:40 utc | 184

@ NemesisCalling, 181

Americans always whine like snowflakes about "outsourcing," "foreigners stealing our jobs," or "deindustrialization". It's nothing more than a thinly disguised Pity Party--but a very deceptive one.

Donald Trump was a master of playing this America as "Aggrieved-Nation Shtick". That was his appeal to the MAGA cowards who don't have the balls to question their own beloved Capitalist system, so they look for a foreign scapegoat like China to blame for their economic grievances.

Trump’s Toxic Aggrieved-Nation Shtick
https://original.antiwar.com/srichman/2016/03/16/trumps-toxic-aggrieved-nation-shtick/

Ultimately, America doesn't want to admit that their entire way of life is based on exploitation--particularly of workers in *other* nations like China (or Mexico, India, and other “shithole” countries).

All the American complaining about outsourcing to China is a really a propaganda diversion from the reality that America was *outsourcing exploitation* to China.

That is, American corporations exploit Chinese workers to reap superprofits, taking advantage of low wage labor there--above and beyond the profit they could make manufacturing in the USA or other "developed" nations.

American consumers also benefitted from this exploitation in the form of lower inflation, aka the lower prices of goods made by these Chinese workers.

Deindustrialization was merely the side effect of this broader system of exploitation, which most people in the USA avoid addressing. It was collateral damage, as American war criminals love to say, in a different context.

This is not to mention another issue that Americans don't want to talk about: American Dollar Imperialism.

As Michael Hudson explains, because the US Dollar is the world's only reserve currency, America can devour enormous amounts of goods from other nations (like China) in exchange for worthless IOUs in the form of US Treasury debt--which the USA will never pay back.

In essence, other countries such as China are paying imperial tribute to America through their purchase of this worthless US Treasury debt. Indeed, China was a leading buyer of this nominal US debt.

America: Host Or Parasite? - Michael Hudson, #121
https://soundcloud.com/guns-and-butter-1/2051-20070314-guns-and-butter

Yet, Americans whine that "China is eating our lunch."

Back in reality, morbidly obese Americans are gobbling up the economic lunch of the world, including China, through this US Imperial Dollar system.

As Hudson states, America has been the beneficiary of the greatest economic free lunch in history because of its US Dollar system.

The Hard Fist of American Imperialism
https://michael-hudson.com/2020/04/the-hard-fist-of-american-imperialism/

Finally, I think you have it backwards as to who wants to delink from whom: China is increasingly divesting from America, as it looks to develop its own internal markets as well as Europe and SE Asia as trade partners. In fact, America is NO longer China's leading trade partner.

More importantly, China is dumping the US Dollar, trading with other countries in currencies that are *not* the US Dollar and cutting back on its purchases of US Treasury “debt.”

This last issue is the ultimate act of renouncing the USA—one that drives America into hissy fits of rage in general.

Bottom Line: America’s free lunch is coming to an end.

What happens when you have a country that has gorged itself at an all-you-can-eat buffet without ever having to pay its bill?

Narcissistic, deluded, and born with an inbred sense of entitlement, Americans won't handle it well.

America's Free Lunch is Over: How Should the Middle East invest its Rising Trade Surplus?
https://michael-hudson.com/2008/06/americas-free-lunch-is-over-how-should-the-middle-east-invest-its-rising-trade-surplus/

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 19 2021 2:53 utc | 185

@ ak74 | Mar 19 2021 2:53 utc | 185 with the good comment about China/empire, thanks

Earlier on some thread here there was a link to a Digital Yuan article and in it was discussion of Saudi Arabia being involved with China which is huge to me because it means the Reserve Currency type status could shift to China....

I keep waiting for the hurry up part of this shit show...

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 19 2021 3:14 utc | 186

@ 183 grieved.. good! we need to have something positive to look forward to! look up andre barbaults cycle index 2000 - 2050 if you are more curious - quick intro..

@ 184 alex p.. thanks... we will have to see this differently i am afraid... clearly he had an issue with sex - maybe due his fundamental christian upbringing, but it doesn't change the fact he murdered a number of people.. i wouldn't be too quick to be a smart ass and say he could have knocked off asians a few different ways then the way he did... so - like i say - we will have to agree to disagree..

Posted by: james | Mar 19 2021 4:40 utc | 187

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 19 2021 2:53 utc | 185

The fruits of corporate capitalism and the MIC it will INVARIABLY produce in ANY country who allows its politics to become co-opted by it.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 19 2021 6:32 utc | 188

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 19 2021 0:13 utc | 181

Come on you must be kidding.

HAHAHA: "trading relationship"

Though I will say that most deplorables entertain no illusions about war with China and instead want to be rid merely of our trading "relationship."

Tis only a relationship of cheap labor where capital can move freely but the labor can't. AHAHAHAHA some of you right wingers crack me up when you don't realize that this is just the inevitable result of corporate limited liability capitalism with "right to work" laws in place. Seriously LMFAO. You're not a "deplorable" because you don't believe in the neoliberal system, but you ARE a deplorable because you're completely in the dark and drunk on western private finance Kool-Aid, aka the capitalist manifesto. Literally snickering here. This won't end well for a lot of people and it COULD have been headed off.

P.S. The Chinese know that their ownership of American debt might not be fungible. Yet still, they're not colonizing/militarizing the world are they? HAHAHAHAHAAHA

Posted by: _K_C_ | Mar 19 2021 6:37 utc | 189

"This is fake!"

In the sense that there is probably more to it than just a deranged 21 year old guy? That seems possible, but the people he killed are certainly dead.

Part of the ol` MK-Ultra project was to find out how to manufacture killers since the CIA doesn't want to risk payrolled staff for murders and assassinations if they can avoid it. It is certainly within the realm of possibility that our killer in this case was programmed in the classic MK-Ultra fashion and pointed at victims that the CIA types would consider "disposable".

As for the massage parlors of the South being staffed with Asians from countries other than China, understand that few people anywhere in the US can tell the difference between any of the Asian peoples. No shit, when I used to teach and would introduce myself on the first day of class I would mention that I lived for many years in Japan. The next comment from the students would invariably be "Oh, so you must know how to speak Chinese!". I kid thee not. I've even had school administrators with Master's degrees recruiting me to be translator for Chinese exchange students based upon my years in Japan, even though I had never mentioned or included in my curriculum vitae any proficiency in putonghua. Even supposedly educated people in the US cannot tell the difference. Do remember, folks, after 9/11 that Sikhs were targeted by delusional and brainwashed Americans seeking revenge for the Saudi attack.

You can never underestimate the intelligence and awareness of the American public. Even the wokest of the woke are just walking brain-dead with only slightly different programming from the mass media they consume.

Still, I wonder what the motive would be for the CIA to program up a meat robot to murder a bunch of Asians? Wouldn't that undermine their anti-China jingoism they pump out through their "Operation Mockingbird" mass media? (Don't you faux "journalists" who frequent this site wish the CIA had chosen a cooler name for the project that you are now forever associated with?).

No, it is far more likely to be exactly as our host says. This murderer was just acting out what millions of Americans, whipped into an ignorant and delusional froth of rage by mass media jingoism, fantasize about. This kind of thing happens every time the mass media prepares the American population for war. If you go back in time I am sure you will find Hispanic peoples being targeted after the battleship Maine blew up in Havana harbor, and of course we all remember Arab-looking Americans being targeted when the mass media was preparing the population for war on Iraq. This is no different and should serve as an indicator of what the imperial elites have in store for the near future.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 19 2021 10:19 utc | 190

@ ak74

Not the brightest comment.

Our elites here in the states had to simultaneously sell us on the virtue of cheap consumer items as they were busy outsourcing.

It was an active startegy employed by anational oligarchs which gut American industry in the end. Hardly the passive and natural functioning of capitalism, which I have already made the point does not exist as monolith.

Capitalism can either lean towards nationalism or the phenomenon of globalism. But under either paradigm, the trappings of capitalism change immeasurably to resemble something widely different. As I have put it before, globalism is the mere outrunning of nationalist pitchforks where oligarchs are no longer beholden to the danger one evokes during unfettered extraction. You put them back into the arena of pitchforks, the nature of the economy reverts back to firm government regulation and the middle class grows.

But you are clearly an internationalist so you will probably not admit that there could be logic to what I am writing here.

@ kc

I couldn't get through your comment.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 19 2021 11:01 utc | 191

I thought my fellow barflies might be interested in the take on this story by a journalist, called Lydia Wang, writing in the Independent:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/%e2%80%9ca-really-bad-day%e2%80%9d-will-never-be-an-excuse-for-killing-8-people/ar-BB1eI6PJ?ocid=spartandhp

Posted by: foolisholdman | Mar 19 2021 11:27 utc | 192

" or is it due the fact he didn't mention trump calling it the china virus that has got your goat? i mentioned it.. i don't think b is defending trump here... in terms of being a war criminal - all usa leaders including biden are war criminals... so, you think it is necessary to single out trump for what reason?? thanks.."

Posted by: james | Mar 18 2021 19:06 utc | 169
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James, Propaganda takes many insidious forms. Often what is not said, not talked about, is also a form of propaganda. In my opinion, there has been much posturing here at MOA in the past literally defending Trump.

Calling out Biden but conveniently not mentioning a word about Trumps actions and behavior. Soleimani murder/war crime ring a bell? I posted about MOA defending a war criminal Trump in the past, while attacking the new blob (Biden) of today.

I am not the only poster here who commented on the disingenuous nature of completely ignoring Trumps rants about the "China FLU" while pointing at the "Media" as an instigator of this crime. I must ask you- why are you so touchy/twitchy about defending constructive criticism leveled by me at MOA? Or by any other poster here regarding any number of criticisms?

MOA leaving out the blatantly obvious inciting accusations, inciting violence of Trumps Right Wing views as "China Bad" while only pointing at the media is preposterous. By MOA not calling out Trump here as well, or not calling out Trump as an obvious War Criminal certainly reeks as the propaganda of what is NOT being said.

I do not see a clear coherent view in this article- pointing in one direction, while ignoring the other is misleading. What I do see- is a cherry picking of reality by MOA, and a consistent pattern in doing so.

Team Trump not being mentioned as a war criminal in the past- But Team Biden is?
Team Trump not being mentioned as inciting China Hate/violence- But the media is?

Ask questions, seek truths and untruths, hidden in between those what do we find?


"dis·in·gen·u·ous

not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does."

Posted by: CitizenX | Mar 19 2021 11:31 utc | 193

"Calling out Trump but conveniently not mentioning a word about Obama's actions and behavior..."

Silly partisan shills.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 19 2021 12:02 utc | 194

"What I do see- is a cherry picking of reality by MOA, and a consistent pattern in doing so."

Funny how the poster doesn't see that tens, if not hundreds, of $billions worth of big business Mockingbird mass media "cherry-picks reality with a consistent pattern". If the poster did recognize that reality the poster would be able to easily see that our host's work is to a large degree crafted to counter that "cherry-picked reality" that the media tools servile to empire spew.

The poster seems awfully "touchy/twitchy about defending" the mass media from responsibility for racist murder. I wonder if that is because the poster works at the Washington Bezos Post and is too morally enfeebled to take responsibility for his crimes against humanity? After all, the mass media today is staffed almost exclusively by delusionally "woke" fools with Bachelor's Special Education degrees in Critical Grievance Studies who consider themselves expert at identifying racism and champions of the culturally downtrodden. To confront the reality that they are the cause for the toxicity in American society is undoubtedly too much for their everyone-gets-a-trophy based self-esteem to survive.

When reality finally does break through these people's delusion many of them will commit suicide in one way or another. That day will be good for humanity so long as they don't commit suicide by nuclear war.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 19 2021 12:29 utc | 195

I should be a little more clear: Our host doubtless sees no need to join the chorus of walking brain-dead "woke" in the corporate mass media trying to direct the blame to Trump. Are the $billions and the giant soapboxes that CNN and the Beep have at their disposal not enough to cover that angle already?

The real lie that is being told is that the mass media is blameless, and when they are trying to tell a lie it really helps if there are no countervailing narratives. They need everybody chanting in the chorus. Voices like that of our host tend to stand out when the rest of the chorus is in perfect harmony.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 19 2021 12:41 utc | 196

@ CitizenX | Mar 19 2021 11:31 utc | 193... you have struck me as a sincere and honest person since i have followed your posts here at moa... this is the reason i engaged you.. thanks for your response! i will reply as best i can, but i do appreciate @ william gruff indirectly addressing you as well as he touches on many of the same points i am going to make here..

the critic you have given on b - that he singles out biden but not trump - has been stated countless times at moa.. even if there is some truth to this, it still doesn't erase the outstanding characteristic of the usa msm at this point, which for many years has been a vilification of russia, since at least 2014 ukraine - if not before, and of course a reenactment of the mccarthy era too however many years later... trump was an actual departure from that, so in this sense the media villified him 24-7 as putins stooge and etc. etc.. many of us didn't buy into any of that... of course iran has been stigmatized since 1979 and that continues... but with regard to the demonization of china - it is a more recent phenomenon as i see it - the past 2 years max, beginning under trumps term - china virus, but the most obvious way to negate the country, and moving forward in earnest... biden has not shown any different approach to any of it either for what that is worth..

does b need to mention trump here?? i don't see it myself and i think talking about the supposed flaw in b's commentary is really beside the matter at hand which to my mind is the ramping up of hostility and xenophobic hysteria towards china and russia, with the same basic energy expressed towards iran, venezuala and a few other countries - to a lesser extent.... am i touchy about someone challenging the host b? not really as b doesn't ever bother engaging as i have seen.. it is really more a matter of getting the focus on what is truly at issue here and what really needs to be addressed and that to me is the brainwashing that has been going on within the usa thru their mass media... it reeks to an insane degree and i am always shocked to see it.... although it is refreshing to see those who are able to rise above it - this is generally the exception, rather then the rule... moa is an exceptional place in this regard... now maybe my viewpoint is skewed and the average american is able to ignore all this mass media brainwashing and rise above it.. it would like it if that was the case... but frankly, i am just not seeing it... the same deal to a lesser extent is playing out here in canada... in reading the comment section of cbc news, i see a similar pattern...it seems many people don't recognize what they are sucked into believing....

so for me, it isn't so much about being touchy about someone challenging the host, as i find this approach a real distraction to the issue at hand.. in this regard i view those who make a focus of this disingenuous... did you have anything to say about how the media is constantly portraying china in a very negative light in the usa??? i didn't read about it.. instead it is an attack on moa host b for not mentioning trump!!! i find your position untenable here... cheers james

Posted by: james | Mar 19 2021 16:11 utc | 197

the tweet is faked, sorry

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robert-long-china-shooting/

Posted by: anonyqueer | Mar 19 2021 17:54 utc | 198

Gruff @ 190

You are sure there are dead bodies? Because MSM told you so?

My experience with Deep South massage parlors is limited to driving past while looking for some place else. But there are lots of these places, every town. Sometimes the ladies will be in front taking a break or hanging out the sheets to dry. No, you could not possibly tell what nationality they are. They are from the tribe of sad, harelips, limps, scar tissue, black eyes, cauliflower ears, goiters. The poorest of the poor look much the same whether from Philippines or Thailand.

You think these women have papers? Identities? Their deaths are recorded the usual way? If anyone died it would be because the owners were getting rid of inventory past shelf life.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 19 2021 18:03 utc | 199

ak74 @185, great comment! Agree with "their entire way of life is based on exploitation" ... Could possibly say their entire history, too.

Also liked your post at @171 about "political division of labor in America's Demonization Machine" and "United We Regime Change".

Thanks to everyone for the many other great comments.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Mar 19 2021 18:27 utc | 200

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