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March 24, 2021
Open Thread 2021-024
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Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2021 11:47 utc | 99 Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2021 12:01 utc | 101 Best of all, two french ministers are/were in hospital this week with covid but the governemnt does not want to legalize auto-tests (the same autotests that can be bought in supermarkets in Germany and are received for free by Austrians). It seems they opted for a collective suicide as a punishment for heir hubris. Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2021 12:01 utc | 102 They should better call it a EU/US summit, Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2021 12:05 utc | 103 31 Reasons Why I Won’t Take the Vaccine Posted by: Fíréan | Mar 25 2021 12:25 utc | 104 @ Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 24 2021 17:47 utc | 6 Posted by: jared | Mar 25 2021 12:35 utc | 105 @ Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2021 9:47 utc | 92 Posted by: jared | Mar 25 2021 12:41 utc | 106 Idiocrates | Mar 25 2021 8:45 utc | 88 Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 25 2021 12:45 utc | 107 another request I will ask of respected barflies: can you give a brief description of “The Economist”? I admit i’m too lazy to do the research outside the unusable search tools and figured many of you could make a quick summary. A couple of friends depend on it and I am trying to figure out a way to question that dependence but I know it’s a pretty strong bond. Posted by: migueljose | Mar 25 2021 12:45 utc | 108 Arguments against the idea we are a simulation. Posted by: Mighty Druken | Mar 25 2021 12:49 utc | 109 Answer to: Fíréan | Mar 25 2021 12:25 utc | 104 Posted by: Cemi | Mar 25 2021 12:50 utc | 110 a human being must be free from material privation, here and now, in life (and not in the mythical afterlife of reincarnation) in order to be really free…Don’t fall for the nihilist bullshittery from the Buddhists et al. Posted by: Gravel Rash | Mar 25 2021 12:54 utc | 111 @ Posted by: john | Mar 25 2021 11:52 utc | 100 Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 25 2021 13:01 utc | 112 @ dan of steele | Mar 25 2021 12:45 utc | 107 Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 25 2021 13:10 utc | 113 Posted by: Cemi | Mar 25 2021 12:50 utc | 110 Posted by: Fíréan | Mar 25 2021 13:11 utc | 114 @migueljose | Mar 25 2021 12:45 utc | 108 Posted by: Lurk | Mar 25 2021 13:13 utc | 115 Blinken told the NATO summit that Russia is spreading “disinformation” to erode trust in vaccines. Posted by: lysias | Mar 25 2021 13:14 utc | 116 I just felt like it was time for me to make a comment. But I just remembered that words don’t really mean anything anymore. We are not facing socialism or communism, we are facing totalitarianism, if it is not already here. Posted by: J. Michael Hudson | Mar 25 2021 13:29 utc | 118 @ Posted by: J. Michael Hudson | Mar 25 2021 13:29 utc | 118 Posted by: jared | Mar 25 2021 13:39 utc | 119 According to NASA’s Earth Observatory, Annapurna I — the 10th-highest mountain — is the most dangerous to climb, with a fatality rate of 32% as of 2012. K2, second-highest peak, is almost as dangerous, with a fatality rate of 29%. Everest, by contrast, has a 4% fatality rate. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 25 2021 13:56 utc | 120 Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2021 12:01 utc | 102 Posted by: Laguerre | Mar 25 2021 13:58 utc | 121 got the disabled aged –> for the disabled aged people Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 25 2021 13:58 utc | 122 Seems more and more that Trump was a circus distraction (willingly) for the masses, while the grown ups were obviously working very diligently behind closed doors on this new normal. I think TPTB were expecting more people to be turned off as Trump kept increasing the unsavory behavior and rhetoric, but many just cheered louder. Oh well, as unsavory as it is to the immaculately groomed…sticks instead of carrots it will have to be. J. Michael Hudson @Mar25 13:29 #118 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 25 2021 14:01 utc | 124 “Aug 26, 2020 — However, the death rate for climbers [of Mt Everest] has hovered unchanged at around 1% since 1990. ” Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 25 2021 14:02 utc | 125 Posted by: migueljose | Mar 25 2021 12:45 utc | 108 who ask for a description of The Economist
Posted by: vato | Mar 25 2021 14:03 utc | 126 So that the US make very clear to all of them who is the boss. Posted by: Laguerre | Mar 25 2021 14:06 utc | 127 No Laguerre, that was the announcement, but they U-turned (lots of U-turn last week, isn’t it? what a coincidence) Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2021 14:16 utc | 128 @ J. Michael Hudson | Mar 25 2021 13:29 utc | 118 Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 25 2021 14:23 utc | 130 @ Posted by: J. Michael Hudson | Mar 25 2021 13:29 utc | 118 @john | Mar 25 2021 11:52 utc | 100 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 25 2021 14:31 utc | 132 “We” (my wife is actually carrying the ball on this) are having a wicked hard time
It is the CDC which recommends and links you to VaccineFinder.
ps, did you get the part where the CDC is saying these vaccines, which used “emergency” shortcuts instead of comprehensive Posted by: librul | Mar 25 2021 14:39 utc | 133 snake @ 57 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 25 2021 14:46 utc | 134 Bemildred 94 Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Mar 25 2021 14:54 utc | 135 Posted by: librul | Mar 25 2021 14:39 utc | 133 Posted by: migueljose | Mar 25 2021 14:57 utc | 137 Mass murdering corporate shrills GW Bush, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama urge Americans to get vaccinated. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 25 2021 15:08 utc | 138 https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2021/03/22/joe-biden-is-senile-russia-delivers-its-verdict-on-national-television/ Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 25 2021 15:15 utc | 139 @Posted by: migueljose | Mar 25 2021 14:57 utc | 137 Posted by: librul | Mar 25 2021 15:23 utc | 140 Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Mar 25 2021 14:54 utc | 135 Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 25 2021 15:27 utc | 141 How many guinea pigs does it take to screw in a light bulb? Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 25 2021 15:32 utc | 142 With sub-notification, Brazil is hiding 100,000+ deaths from COVID-19: to Miss JB – I’m coming into the discussion a bit late – but yes, thanks for the recommendation of the Dr McCullough video on the often useful Globalresearch.ca site. I too have been asking myself and others for a very very long time – more than one year, why there is very little talk about treatment. One can find here and there work done by individual doctors treating their patients with various of the mentioned options: ivermectin/HQC/zinc/vitaD/monoclonal antibodies/etc etc etc. The work of these brave people has mostly been ignored or suppressed, although they all claim to have obtained good results. All these MDs stress that it important to begin treatment early but this is still not done. It is tragic and horrifying to consider how many lives have been lost or destroyed… One key I think is a detail which Dr. McCullough glossed over, which is that all reporting on possible treatments stopped in May of last year when the possibility of “vaccines” was announced. Of course, given that none of these “vaccines” had actually undergone true cliinical trials (which take years) the ONLY way they could be approved for “emergency” use was if there was no treatment available. Posted by: Miss Lacy | Mar 25 2021 15:51 utc | 144 Hello Uncle Tungsten… Posted by: Bernard F. | Mar 25 2021 15:52 utc | 145 @145 Bernard f Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 25 2021 16:08 utc | 146 @136 et tu Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 25 2021 16:11 utc | 147 @ Posted by: vk | Mar 25 2021 15:46 utc | 143 Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 25 2021 16:35 utc | 148 A supercontainer ship EverGreen running aground in the southern part of the Suez Canal – photo taken by the ‘Canopus B’ satellite of the Roscosmos orbital group. @131 vk – I am curious. Is the dictatorship of the proletariat not a dictatorship? Is a dictatorship totalitarian? I am not trying to be a smartass. I am just curious to know your opinion. As well as all the other commenters here who are much more educated than myself. Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 25 2021 16:59 utc | 150 the economist rag – i liked @ 126 vato response… makes sense and fits with my read… Posted by: james | Mar 25 2021 17:04 utc | 151 Fun eight minutes regarding US foreign policy Posted by: jared | Mar 25 2021 17:05 utc | 152 I cannot believe the paranoia and control fever, reading Rozhin’s blog there is a set of four sentences to translate in “google translate” and find for yourselves the gross manipulation taken to stupidity limits: Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2021 17:21 utc | 153 Paco @153 Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 25 2021 17:38 utc | 154 J. Michael Hudson @118– Paco @153– @Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 25 2021 10:37 utc | 95: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 25 2021 18:04 utc | 157 @Posted by: migueljose | Mar 25 2021 12:45 utc | 108 Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 25 2021 18:23 utc | 158 lex talionis @150– Some deal was stuck Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2021 18:34 utc | 160 @Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Mar 25 2021 14:54 utc | 135 Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 25 2021 18:38 utc | 161 Ancient Athens was not an oligarchy, or, if it was an oligarchy, was a very broad-based oligarchy that gave real power to all adult male citizens. The whole point of the Athenian democratic system was to limit the power of the rich, most of whom hated the democratic system. Posted by: lysias | Mar 25 2021 18:52 utc | 162 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2021 18:02 utc | 156 Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2021 18:53 utc | 163 Anyone watch Biden’s press conference? OMG! Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 25 2021 18:59 utc | 164 Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 25 2021 18:59 utc | 164 Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2021 19:08 utc | 165 @Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2021 17:21 utc | 153 Posted by: librul | Mar 25 2021 19:18 utc | 166 Paco @163– at jared | Mar 25 2021 12:35 utc | 105 Posted by: bystander04 | Mar 25 2021 19:20 utc | 168 vk | Mar 25 2021 14:26 utc | 131
But it is well known that the term was coined by Mussolini. The book review below is from 1998.
Posted by: john brewster | Mar 25 2021 19:50 utc | 169 The very good financial reason for Governments to have done what they did. Posted by: JohninMK | Mar 25 2021 20:31 utc | 170 @162 Lysias Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 25 2021 20:35 utc | 171 @ Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 25 2021 16:59 utc | 150 A year ago, the Europeans discovered there was no common health policies at the EU level. Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2021 20:51 utc | 173 if you put a carriage return after every line of the russian text google translate returns the proper english translation. Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 25 2021 20:55 utc | 174 Hah! Google figured out that we caught on to their bullshit and “fixed” their translation, because, you know, obviously it was just a “mistake”! Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 25 2021 21:10 utc | 175 Athens stopped using ostracism after the Peloponnesian War. It was a dead letter. Posted by: lysias | Mar 25 2021 21:46 utc | 176 @ Posted by: JohninMK | Mar 25 2021 20:31 utc | 169 Posted by: suzan | Mar 25 2021 22:10 utc | 177 JohninMK @Mar25 20:31 #169 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 25 2021 22:26 utc | 178 Curious article posing as op/ed, “Unable to win on battlefield, West is now waging ‘mental war’ against Russian civilization, Moscow’s Ministry of Defense claims.” It cites an interview given by Andrei Ilnitsky, an adviser at the country’s Ministry of Defense, with the Armory of the Fatherland magazine. He elaborates on Hybrid warfare of the sort we’re now experiencing, but speculates there’s a next stage or level being aimed at: @ Posted by: lysias | Mar 25 2021 21:46 utc | 175 karlof1 @ 155 – Forgive me, but you cannot just generalize that Greece and Rome were oligarchies without saying when they were such. Nations move in and out of the various forms of government – we see it today with how Russia has in our lifetimes changed as a prime example. When I went to college, what we did was read various writings from many places, then discuss those writings in seminars. At that level we were not taught, per se, but came to the sources from the times in a generally historical fashion reading and discussing the thought periods of the times as they happened. We didn’t study historians; we tried to assess what people of the times were saying about life in general. Posted by: juliania | Mar 25 2021 22:44 utc | 181 @ Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2021 22:27 utc | 178 I’d like to add to karlof1’s assessment of Putin’s position in leadership in Russia @ 159 that I see a much more positive flow of leadership at least being possible there, in the references he makes to the Russian federation as ‘the motherland’. His historic sense is thus including a great variety of moments in Russia’s past, as he recently did for Crimea, which historical memory does not dwell on savage times, on brutal events, except as they contribute to the general suffering that helps bring wisdom and unity. Posted by: juliania | Mar 25 2021 23:07 utc | 183 George Szamuely writes an op/ed: “The ideological basis of the new Cold War is clear, and this time the Western powers look set to be on the losing side.” Fíréan @ 104 Posted by: spudski | Mar 25 2021 23:28 utc | 185 Busted! Joe Biden Had A Cheat Sheet Of All The Reporters (With Their Pictures) With Numbered Circles By The Ones He Was Supposed To Call On. Posted by: Dogon Priest | Mar 25 2021 23:31 utc | 186 uncle tungsten @ 84 :
I have no comment. I just wanted to repeat your lovely paragraph here again. Thank you! Posted by: juliania | Mar 25 2021 23:37 utc | 187 vk @181– @ Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2021 23:42 utc | 187 Dogon Priest @185– Yes Suzan, I have not seen it mentioned elsewhere either, its a bit of a taboo subject, for many obvious reasons. I have posted it in a ZH thread. Posted by: JohninMK | Mar 26 2021 0:10 utc | 191 spudski | Mar 25 2021 23:28 utc | 184… Posted by: james | Mar 26 2021 0:12 utc | 192 Today was Culture Workers Day, which Putin termed a “professional holiday … probably relatable to every person in its own way.” @ JohninMK | Mar 25 2021 20:31 utc | 169 and @ suzan posts forward on this.. interesting topic indeed… regarding any tax – i thought the city of london was designed for the wealthy to hide it all in trusts, never to be touched by gov’t tax? i know that is only for rich people.. us peons have to live a different reality… thanks for your posts john… i have appreciated your analysis and insights on the topic of syria and etc. on a few other threads… thanks.. Posted by: james | Mar 26 2021 0:16 utc | 194 I guess no one is interested in my post at #9 about Flannery O’Connor’s writing, but I’ll just add some other thoughts to this open thread as I did go back and read both her first published short story “The Geranium” and the last,”Judgment Day” as well as comments by one of her editors, Mr. Giroux. Posted by: juliania | Mar 26 2021 0:32 utc | 195 Athens became much more democratic in the generations after Solon. Probably the biggest step towards democracy was the reforms of Cleisthenes in 508 BC, which among other things instituted the system of sortition (choice by lot) for representatives and officials. But in the succeeding generations, the system became more and more democratic: all offices became open to even the lowest class of citizen, the aristocratic council of the Areopagus lost virtually all power, pay was instituted for holding office, serving on the council of the Boule, serving on juries, and attending the Assembly, so that even the poorest citizens could do these things (and they did do them — see Aristophanes). Athens was never more democratic than it was right before Macedon defeated Athens in the Lamian War in 322 BC and temporarily ended Athenian democracy. Posted by: lysias | Mar 26 2021 0:32 utc | 196 Eigthman #164 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 26 2021 1:06 utc | 197 @ 194 juliania… thanks… fascinating lady by the sounds of it… i was reading on her on wikipedia at your encouragement.. here are a few quotes Posted by: james | Mar 26 2021 1:11 utc | 198 Catching up on this thread I notice a couple of comments asking why treatments for Covid have been so invisible in media. Posted by: Grieved | Mar 26 2021 1:52 utc | 199 I stumbled across the ZH link below and it prompted me to think about the implications of real aliens from other planets making contact with us not so homo sapiens Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 26 2021 3:17 utc | 200 |
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