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March 5, 2021
Open Thread 2021-018
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Given that we no longer trust the intentions of most public and private institutions, i am looking for signs of a new phrenomenon, which i call “Fear of new developments in science or technology”. …due to the belief that said developments will only be used against us, either by the state or oligarchy. Anyone have thoughts on this? Posted by: James joseph | Mar 5 2021 14:55 utc | 1 Given that most movements get co-opted before they gain much momentum (Astro-Turfing) and that Science has been hijacked by the minions of the trillionaire class, it’s understandable that anyone with critical thinking intact maintains a reasonable amount of suspicion of anything that comes down the pike. Posted by: Chevrus | Mar 5 2021 15:15 utc | 2 Now comes the cover up…
Posted by: librul | Mar 5 2021 15:33 utc | 3 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 5 2021 15:53 utc | 4 Biden and the forever wars: Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2021 16:02 utc | 5 “Kawsachun News Posted by: arby | Mar 5 2021 16:08 utc | 6 @1 James joseph | Mar 5 2021 14:55 utc Posted by: Michael | Mar 5 2021 16:12 utc | 7 “Biden Administration Refuses To Say Middle East Militias Are Iran-Backed” Posted by: Laguerre | Mar 5 2021 16:14 utc | 8 Some good news. There seems to be an ongoing trend for countries around the globe to take greater control of their own natural resources. Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 5 2021 16:33 utc | 9 Given that we no longer trust the intentions of most public and private institutions, i am looking for signs of a new phenomenon, which i call “Fear of new developments in science or technology”. …due to the belief that said developments will only be used against us, either by the state or oligarchy. Anyone have thoughts on this? Posted by: zeta | Mar 5 2021 16:34 utc | 10 Below is a quote from a ZH posting about the US Treasuries market that barflies might find interesting Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 5 2021 16:37 utc | 11 @7 Michael Correction! Posted by: Michael | Mar 5 2021 16:37 utc | 12 Adding to my comment at #11 folks need to understand that short selling at this time is one of the only ways to determine price/value of things because all fundamentals of the past have been thrown out the window. Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 5 2021 16:42 utc | 13 @James joseph | Mar 5 2021 14:55 utc | 1 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2021 16:43 utc | 14 Why Europe keeps sending warships to South China Sea? Innovation requires simultaneous imagination and grounding in reality. Westerners have lots of the former but have abandoned the latter. Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 5 2021 17:03 utc | 16 Thinking for oneself cannot but be a step forward. Scary at first, not being used to striking out on one’s own, but as long as the restrictions on free thought are not draconian, it is far better to reason for oneself about the realities we face than to take on what someone else is trying to persuade one is the case. Far better for a population at large if it reserves judgment (and energy) while treating its wouldbe leadership with skepticism. Fear maybe enters in when one takes the first step, but believe me, that’s what we were made for. Posted by: juliania | Mar 5 2021 17:09 utc | 17 Russia and Iran Sign an Intelligence Pact Posted by: Dogon Priest | Mar 5 2021 17:17 utc | 18 75% Of All Jobs Added In February Were Waiters And Bartenders Posted by: Dogon Priest | Mar 5 2021 17:22 utc | 19 @7 Michael Posted by: Hoyeru | Mar 5 2021 17:25 utc | 20 vk @15: “I love some capitalist tears.”
What? Masked stormtroopers didn’t kick in their doors at 3:00AM and drag them naked out of bed as happens in America to “insurrectionists”“? They just got a call to show up in court the next week? Let me play a sad song for them on the world’s smallest violin! Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 5 2021 18:06 utc | 22 if elon musk is any indication, i am not confident… everything i read about the guy screams creepy… Posted by: james | Mar 5 2021 18:06 utc | 23 @ 22 william gruff, lolol… i can hear you playing violin too! trying to keep up with some of the wining on these pages!! Posted by: james | Mar 5 2021 18:08 utc | 24 psychohistorian @11&13– It’s astounding how the western press wails and moans at the evil Chinese oppression of whomever and meanwhile does far worse. A double standard is a terrible thing to waste I suppose. Mean while a modern version of the Cheka is just now jabbing it’s egg-tooth through the shell….. Posted by: Chevrus | Mar 5 2021 18:19 utc | 26 News about Governor Cuomo and 10,000 nursing home deaths that never happened keeps dripping out. Three obvious questions. Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 5 2021 18:32 utc | 27 “Biden Administration Refuses To Say Middle East Militias Are Iran-Backed” Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 5 2021 18:35 utc | 28 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 5 2021 18:32 utc | 27 [should someone be charged in connection to causing and hiding the deaths in the nursing homes in NY state in the early stage of COVID-19] Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 5 2021 18:52 utc | 29 the Chinese and South east Asians are just as greedy as Anglo-Saxons Caucasians, even more so on some aspects. Remember, the Chinese are called “the Jews of Asia” for a reason. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 5 2021 19:00 utc | 30 No surprise, but a widely shared photograph of a Xinjiang “concentration camp” turns out to have been a deliberately misconstrued image. I’m sure the Canadian and Dutch parliaments will rescind their “genocide” declarations. Posted by: jayc | Mar 5 2021 19:03 utc | 31 A one minute video about the Capitol Hill barricades. The last person asked about his thoughts shows exactly how good the propaganda machine works. Posted by: arby | Mar 5 2021 19:11 utc | 32 @ oldhippie | Mar 5 2021 18:32 utc | 27
Ask the covidiots here, they must have the answer. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2021 19:34 utc | 33 @Norwegian: Easy answer is question and doubt everything except the covid narrative because that has to be 100% truthy facts? Posted by: Chevrus | Mar 5 2021 19:53 utc | 34 #1 Using science against the people? Very easy, with the stats governments are getting now (thanks to online deliveries), they will be able to adjust the precise need of the sheeps and ascribe them exactly what they need in “universal income”, which soon will be equivalent to “democracy” in their public speeches. The panopticon is triumphant, thanks to the so-called pandemy. Posted by: Mina | Mar 5 2021 20:00 utc | 35 Say what you will about Miles, but here a guest writer uncovering some material on the very topic at hand. Posted by: Chevrus | Mar 5 2021 20:04 utc | 36 Mr. Michael Posted by: fyi | Mar 5 2021 21:19 utc | 37 Piotr Berman Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 5 2021 21:35 utc | 39 concerning fyi: Posted by: Michael Weddington | Mar 5 2021 21:50 utc | 40 psychohistorian #11 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2021 22:08 utc | 41 Piotr Berman | 28 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 5 2021 22:37 utc | 43 @ 40 michael weddington… why do you ask?? Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2021 22:39 utc | 44 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2021 22:08 utc | 41 Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2021 22:48 utc | 45 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2021 22:08 utc | 41 Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2021 22:48 utc | 46 @Scotch Bingeington: Any relation to Buzz Killington? Posted by: Chevrus | Mar 5 2021 22:59 utc | 47 I ask because his comment at 37 is one of the most racist things I have seen. Posted by: Michael Weddington | Mar 5 2021 23:25 utc | 48 I’m just waiting for the chinese to release their own GPU, which might solve the current GPU drought. Posted by: Smith | Mar 5 2021 23:28 utc | 49 arby #32
I guess as long as the Judaic backed occupier remains in the building. That’s why USA troops are there isn’t it? Proxy forces always blame the locals. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2021 23:34 utc | 50 I ask because his comment at 37 is one of the most racist things I have seen. Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2021 23:42 utc | 51 Michael Weddington #48 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2021 23:55 utc | 52 @ Michael Weddington | Mar 5 2021 23:25 utc | 48…i dunno michael.. maybe i cut people too much slack by first off acknowledging that english isn’t there first language and that they come from a completely different culture then mine…. so, i suppose i am not so quick judge or dismiss others viewpoints… this might make me appear like one of the duller blades in the drawer.. so be it… fyis comments @37 are steeped in mystery to me… i know nothing about the “age of Jahilyya” or islamists views on these matters… it arouses my curiousity more then anything else and i don’t immediately dismiss it.. to each there own i guess.. Posted by: james | Mar 5 2021 23:59 utc | 53 As a south east asian myself, I do think the east asians really aren’t the way forward, not until Korea is united, Vietnam and China rid themselves of “to be rich is to be glorious” Dengists, Japan free of LDP and American sock puppetry. I’m also VERY wary of chinese reactionaries who speak of Confucianism. Posted by: Smith | Mar 6 2021 0:02 utc | 54 unlike some on the moa board, i don’t have this utopian, or idealistic view on present day china… maybe it has to do with experiencing an aspect of chinese culture far removed from china, but reaching the area i live for the past number of years that mostly appears as a materialistic, acquisitive culture steeped in a type of obsession over status and financial gain… i have often thought the reason the new arrivals from hong kong in the 90’s prior to the 97 transition might taint my viewpoint… i grew up in vancouver and studied tai chi beginning at age 20 – over 40 years ago… i have high regard for certain aspects of chinese culture, taosim in particular.. i am not sure how far removed present day china is from my deep appreciation of lao tzus writings, not to mention other amazing aspects of chinese culture… i just don’t view them in the same rosy manner that my friends here at moa – karlof1 and grieved, seem to view them… so maybe this feeds into my viewpoint on all this.. i am sure it has to be factored in.. thank god it is an open forum… i was worried i was ranting on the wrong channel, lol… Posted by: james | Mar 6 2021 0:08 utc | 55 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2021 23:34 utc | 50 Posted by: arby | Mar 6 2021 0:09 utc | 56 “US announces sanctions on top Ukrainian oligarch & Zelensky ally Kolomoisky for ‘undermining democratic processes‘ in country.” [My Emphasis] Here. @ james Posted by: Smith | Mar 6 2021 0:18 utc | 58 Bemildred #44
Thank you for linking that statement by Mikhail Ulyanov, Russia’s Permanent Representative to International Organizations, including the IAEA, in Vienna who is reported as follows:
He is perfectly correct of course (in a diplomatic and practical sense) and in a sane world Russia could offer the mediation to bring the contending sides into private discussion. Unfortunately the USA has been idiot enough to have fallen into the trap of having no acceptable partner to broker as an intermediary. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 0:20 utc | 59 @smith, @james: Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 6 2021 0:22 utc | 60 james @55– arby #56
I believe what I see and I don’t see the USA doing any bridge building, even in its own country where bridge infrastructure is in serious decay. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 0:38 utc | 62 UT @41 Posted by: arby | Mar 6 2021 0:43 utc | 63 KarlofI 61 Posted by: CarlD | Mar 6 2021 0:57 utc | 64 @ 58 smith… that is interesting what you say.. thanks.. i mostly see the book of lao tzus as a type of enlightenment, but i can see how easily it could be pushed to the side and trampled upon by others to.. i am not sure about the rebranding of it… i am a byproduct of the hippie generation which was into a lot of alternative kinds of culture and this was my exposure.. i don’t know that they were trying to rebrand anything… maybe some of that is happening now though.. i don’t know… Posted by: james | Mar 6 2021 1:09 utc | 65 There is no reason to speculate. Chinese culture, history, stories, have the answers. Posted by: LurkingDragon | Mar 6 2021 1:17 utc | 66 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 0:20 utc | 59 Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 6 2021 1:22 utc | 67 Lurking Dragon 66 Posted by: Carl Denis Stephan | Mar 6 2021 1:32 utc | 68 @ james Posted by: Smith | Mar 6 2021 1:32 utc | 69 Obsequious to superiors, inhuman to inferiors. This is what you can expect from a world order with Chinese characteristics. Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 6 2021 1:36 utc | 70 james @ 55, it does really depend on who you know. My one personal contact is my son-in-law, whom I am proud to call my son as he is a lovely person who cares about people. His parents were engineers, both of them, and they put him into a Tibetan monastery to be raised as they went about their engineering. I met his mother once; she was a very fine, humble person. Posted by: juliania | Mar 6 2021 1:44 utc | 71 Damn, wish some of the folks commenting here were running my country now, maybe the amoral ditch we find ourselves in would disappear. Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 6 2021 1:56 utc | 72 Classic. Posted by: Dogon Priest | Mar 6 2021 1:58 utc | 73 @ 69 smith…. well i know that from reading the tao teh ching, i see the beauty of it… however people have a funny way of taking the writings in a book and turning it into upside down with stuff called religious fundamentalism… take the bible or quran for examples…. so, whatever the chinese did after the fact – i don’t mind myself with all that!!! as far as i know, lao tzu was not one person, but a collection of people… starting from that point, can pretty well lead anywhere.. i just know what a beautiful book it is – and…. i had to read a couple of translations too.. i have no idea what it looks like in the original language.. Posted by: james | Mar 6 2021 2:28 utc | 74 Bemildred #67 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 2:59 utc | 75 The Grayzone is blowing up the D.C. fairy tales. Posted by: migueljose | Mar 6 2021 3:42 utc | 76 James @ 55: Posted by: Jen | Mar 6 2021 4:15 utc | 77 @ uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2021 22:08 utc | 41 with the links to hints of financial meltdown. Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2021 4:21 utc | 78 Posted by: migueljose | Mar 6 2021 3:42 utc | 76 Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 6 2021 4:26 utc | 79 My dad’s second (and current) wife is Chinese. He met her online in the late 90’s, and she moved with her young son to Wisconsin and married him around 2000. Posted by: Jason | Mar 6 2021 5:41 utc | 80 @66 Posted by: Jason | Mar 6 2021 5:52 utc | 81 Bemildred #67
Thank you, I am excited to hear of Abrahamic Religion having modernised to the extent that is now capable of uniting christians, muslims and jews and the etc cult. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 6:02 utc | 82 I know of a similar experience as Jason’s at 86.. Chinese people are proving themselves to be a good lot. Posted by: snake | Mar 6 2021 6:03 utc | 83 @ james Posted by: Smith | Mar 6 2021 6:50 utc | 84 Look out, here comes the trojan mule. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 6:58 utc | 85 Turkey and Azerbaijan are just seeking to house the homeless. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 7:45 utc | 86 The USAi has lost control of its occupying army. Xerxes had the same problems in his ancient chain of command. Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 6 2021 7:46 utc | 87 @uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 0:20 utc | 59
I agree with that. It applies especially to the US, but you can include the rest of the western “leaders” with the same diagnosis. In fact there is a huge vacuum of sanity being filled with total insanity, there are no real leaders. They have all been assassinated like Olof Palme in Sweden or totally corrupted like Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson. Now these corrupt idiots are getting scared and are doubling down with criminal and insane behavior. We need a Nuremberg style cleanup. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2021 7:51 utc | 88 @snake | Mar 6 2021 6:03 utc | 83
Thank you for this optimistic perspective, I believe you are right. It must be so. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2021 8:10 utc | 89 Bemildred #87
That oil smuggling bombardment will perhaps awaken Erdoghan. Given the extreme mendacity of Erdoghan and his provocation in Nagorno-Karabakh/Azerbaijan, I expect his entire Syrian playground to be drastically reduced in the next week and the SDF to have its wings clipped. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 9:53 utc | 90 What fyi writes in 37 is just the common Muslim view. Polytheists live in the Age of Ignorance and are on the lowest level of morality. Monotheists (“People of the Book”), are somewhat less inferior. Muslims are morally on the top by definition. Posted by: m | Mar 6 2021 10:06 utc | 91 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2021 7:45 utc | 86 Posted by: Bluedotterel | Mar 6 2021 10:47 utc | 92 Posted by: Bluedotterel | Mar 6 2021 10:47 utc | 92 Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 6 2021 13:56 utc | 93 @ Posted by: snake | Mar 6 2021 6:03 utc | 83 Mr. Smith Posted by: Fyi | Mar 6 2021 15:22 utc | 95 Mr. Michael Weddington Posted by: Fyi | Mar 6 2021 15:44 utc | 96 Just an observation (via Jiddu Krishnamurti); “You cannot just brush the surface of a culture, and pretend that you have found an answer. We must turn inward, to the deepest depths of our own roots to find the very best of who we are.” Posted by: robjira | Mar 6 2021 15:48 utc | 97 @ Posted by: LurkingDragon | Mar 6 2021 1:17 utc | 66 With regards to ANY religion; No one sect can have a lock on “receiving messages from God”. Any one searching for spiritualty can claim that. Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 6 2021 17:19 utc | 99 @ 77 jen… thanks for the personal story there… that was interesting! the situation in vancouver would be largely the same as san francisco up until the late 80’s early 90’s when the b.c and canuck gov’t were telling the millionaires of hong kong they could come and live in canada with an investment of 250 grand or more.. it seemed like a lot at the time but it wasn’t and sure isn’t now! prior to this time, the chinese in vancouver were 3rd generation or more canadian… many of these hard working people built the canadian railway.. they were treated poorly, but they gave much more to canada then they would have received at the time… salt of the earth people basically… these people are very different then the newer arrivals from hong kong and the most recent arrivals from mainland china too… such is life! Posted by: james | Mar 6 2021 17:38 utc | 100 |
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