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March 31, 2021

False Assertions, Misleading Quotes, Fake Sources - How The NYT Writes Anti-China Screeds

This, from yesterday's New York Times, is supposed to be a news piece:

An Alliance of Autocracies? China Wants to Lead a New World Order.

Written by Steven Lee Myers, the NYT's bureau chief in Beijing, the piece is full of false and unsupported assertions. It changes explicit Chinese statements in support of democracy and human rights into the opposite. It is also untruthful about the sources of its quotes:

China hopes to position itself as the main challenger to an international order, led by the United States, that is generally guided by principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to rule of law.

Such a system “does not represent the will of the international community,” China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, told Russia’s, Sergey V. Lavrov, when they met in the southern Chinese city of Guilin.

In a joint statement, they accused the United States of bullying and interference and urged it to “reflect on the damage it has done to global peace and development in recent years.”

There is no evidence and no quote in the piece to support the assertion that the unilateral  "international order, led by the United States" is in fact "guided by principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to rule of law." The wars the U.S. and its allies have waged and wage in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and other countries are, in fact, not in adherence to the rule of international law nor are they executed with respect for human rights or the principles of democracy.

The Wang Yi quote in the second paragraph is taken completely out of context. By placing it after his false assertions the author insinuates that Wang Yi rejected the "principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to rule of law."

Wang Yi did not do that at all. He did in fact the opposite.

Here is the original quote from the report of Wang Yi's meeting with Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov:

Wang Yi said, the so-called "rules-based international order" by a few countries is not clear in its meaning, as it reflects the rules of a few countries and does not represent the will of the international community. We should uphold the universally recognized international law.

The there is the Joint Statement from the Lavrov-Wang Yi meeting which contradicts the New York Times insinuation:

The world has entered a period of high turbulence and rapid change. In this context, we call on the international community to put aside any differences and strengthen mutual understanding and build up cooperation in the interests of global security and geopolitical stability, to contribute to the establishment of a fairer, more democratic and rational multipolar world order.
  1. All human rights are universal, indivisible and interrelated. ...
  2. Democracy is one of the achievements of humanity. ...
  3. International law is an important condition for the further development of humanity. ...
  4. In promoting multilateral cooperation, the international community must adhere to principles such as openness and equality, and a non-ideological approach. ...

The Chinese Foreign Ministry report about the issuance of the above Four Point Statement quotes Wang Yi as saying:

Today, we will issue a joint statement on several issues of current global governance, expounding the essence of major concepts such as human rights, democracy, international order, and multilateralism, reflecting the collective demands of the international community, especially developing countries. We call on all countries to participate in and improve global governance in the spirit of openness, inclusiveness and equality, abandon zero-sum mentality and ideological prejudice, stop interfering in the internal affairs of any country, enhance the well-being of people of all countries through dialogue and cooperation, and jointly build a community with a shared future for mankind.

In no way has China rejected human rights, democracy or the rule of law. The New York Times author simply construed that.

The third NYT paragraph quoted above is likewise false. The Joint Statement did not urge the U.S. to “reflect on the damage it has done to global peace and development in recent years.” There is nothing in there that could be construed as such. The U.S. is not even mentioned in the Joint Statement.

The quote the NYT author uses is not from the official Joint Statement, as falsely claimed, but from a Chinese State TV's summarization of a press conference:

Both foreign ministers said that the international community believes that the United States should reflect on the damage it has done to global peace and development in recent years, stop unilateral bullying, stop interfering in other countries' internal affairs, and stop pulling "small circles" to engage in group confrontation.

Unsupported assertions about the motives of the "U.S. led" order, out of context quotes that turn the actual statements by the Chinese foreign minister into their opposite and missattribution of a news summary as a diplomatic statement is something that one would not expect from a news outlet but from a propaganda organ.

That is then, obviously, what the Times has become.

Posted by b on March 31, 2021 at 16:40 UTC | Permalink

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Welcome back! I hope you feel refreshed. I have missed you even though it was but a few days and I'm sure the other barflies feel the same.

That is then, obviously, what the Times has become.

It and the rest of the MSM (and some of the "Alternative" sites) have been the propaganda arm of the PTB for quite some time. The situation has become more than ever obvious, since e.g. the Guardian and the Independent stopped accepting comments and substituted a really Orwellian statement where the comments used to be:
Our goal is to create a safe and engaging place for users to connect over interests and passions. In order to improve our community experience, we are temporarily suspending article commenting.
which has been in place for months.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Mar 31 2021 17:05 utc | 1

Welcome back b SSDD Same Shit Different Day

Yes, the NYT and other vomitoriums of empire propaganda are pulling out all the stops to project their human failing onto others. The MSM may be able to keep the cover of lies together within certain segments of dying empire but I can't help believe that nations that can see the info coming from China/Russia and compare to the lies from empire are not making plans now to align with the China/Russian axis.

What brings this shit show to a climax? I hope it is soon to stop the human and environmental damage.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 31 2021 17:15 utc | 2

China is pwn US institutions lately.
That’s clear.
NYT lies won’t change that.
And I’m not a China fanboy.

Posted by: Cadencecalls | Mar 31 2021 17:16 utc | 3

It's evident that the "new world order" China wants is nothing more than respect for a multipolar world and the international institutions in place meant to service this world.

The US has become accustomed to the notion that it is the "world" and that American interests are everybody's interests even when America's interests harm their interests, whether economic(Germany's Nordstream 2 or Japan's trade with China) or security(the DPRK-ROK situation can never be resolved as long as the US interferes as a biased 3rd party) or even humanitarian(see: Palestine, Libya, Syria, Yemen etc).

The pawns of the US empire will go on diatribes to basically outline a framework where America is the end-all, be-all. Human rights, according to racist America. International peace, according to militarist America. Fighting poverty, according to capitalist America.

The only question for me has always been whether the blob of experts, advisors, and government officials are maliciously pursuing this kind of global trolling or whether they're actual believers of the delusion of American Exceptionalism. And the reason would be because the latter are far more likely to cause exceptional suffering and destruction on their moral crusade due to their arrogance in their fundamental "superiority".

If pride comes before the fall, the US is peaking in its arrogance and there's few likely outcomes that don't lead to worse conditions.

Posted by: brainiac3397 | Mar 31 2021 17:28 utc | 4

Thanks b, for bringing this to light.

Without your posts, most of us - even those of us that try to dig into things more than most people - would not be aware of these things.

Western mainstream media will, of course, never inform the public of those important excerpts from the Lavrov-Wang Joint Statement and the Chinese Foreign Ministry that you brought to our attention.

In our so-called "democracies", the electorates are not just deliberately kept in the dark, but in fact shaped, not into informed voters, but disinformed voters.

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Again to translate from the Orwellianism/Newspeak of our Western establishment news media, when they say "international order" what they really mean is the "Western deep-state-run order" or "Western neocon-run order."

"Generally guided by principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to rule of law" can be translated to "generally guided by hypocrisy, Orwellianism, special interests, gangsterism, treachery, and mockery of rule of law."

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Mar 31 2021 17:28 utc | 5

Thanks b., ohne dich alles war still.

fallacia non causae ut causae
Eristische Dialektik: Die Kunst, Recht zu behalten / Arthur Schopenhauer 1831
[The Art of Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument]

Steven Lee Myers, the NYT's bureau
chief in Beijing just use a really classical and poor way to manipulate.


"an international order, led by the United States, that is generally guided by principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to rule of law."

International order is not international law. LED by USA not by law. Generally (... No comment), principe of... (again)

Yes. Really pure Propagandastaffel.

But a good news. Why is NYT in a need to manipulate?

Posted by: Bernard F. | Mar 31 2021 17:31 utc | 6

Welcome back b

China is done rolling over Amerikas propaganda.

Chinese Foreign Ministry calls on WHO to address possible coronavirus leaks from US labs - World - TASS

Posted by: jo6pac | Mar 31 2021 17:35 utc | 7

Sorry I can't get the link to work correctly

Posted by: jo6pac | Mar 31 2021 17:36 utc | 8

...SSDD Same Shit Different Day

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 31 2021 17:15 utc | 2

Yup, against the China and Russian A2D2 capabilities I present to you the empire's newest and best counter....

S2D2!

Now bow down and submit you serfs! LOL

On a different note, i believe Steven Myers is just milling for a free ticket home and a promotion which he'll surely get once he's expelled from China for fabricating fake news.

Even during the worst of the cold war there were some respect and integrity on reporting facts. MSM of today is fully weaponized and had gone full goebbels.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 31 2021 17:54 utc | 9

"that is generally guided by principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to rule of law"...

I haven't decided yet to either cry about the existence of such idiocies and such propaganda driven Idiots and what it says about the human condition or scream because the hypocrisy displayed continuously without shame and any twinge of self-awareness' becomes unbearable.

Posted by: peter | Mar 31 2021 18:32 utc | 10

a good news. Why is NYT in a need to manipulate?

Posted by: Bernard F. | Mar 31 2021 17:31 utc | 6

Because it's now so easy to get it raw!
https://www.mid.ru/en/web/guest/meropriyatiya_s_uchastiem_ministra/-/asset_publisher/xK1BhB2bUjd3/content/id/4647898

Russia, China, Iran... Even Syria a continuous flow of great diplomacy.

Always talking to our brain vs MSM newspapers:
"Cette feuille que je parcours toutes les semaines d'un derrière distrait - Henri Jeanson

Posted by: Bernard F. | Mar 31 2021 18:35 utc | 11

SSDD indeed. I'll be waiting for the MSM to announce the 4 points presented.(til hell freezes over probably)

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 31 2021 19:03 utc | 13

Look at the ways BBC was faking news before thrown out of China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RK5Me8maG4

Not ashamed to manipulate stuff from CCTV about migrant work in Xinjiang into "forced labour" and "BBC findings". Typical for western "journalists" in China, mostly sitting in their apartments quaffing cheap liquor or going to the .. erm barber shops for a da feiji (打​飞机) ..

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 31 2021 19:11 utc | 14

Gosh! The Jew York Times telling porkies again?!
Guess how surprised I'm not?

I would have called this report "NYT Anti-China Drivel"
or "More NYT Anti-China Drivel.

drivel | American Dictionary ... something written or said that is completely worthless; nonsense: The papers are filled with drivel about movie stars.

I like this definition because it's obvious that all of Christian Colonialism's liars and fantasists have stars in their eyes.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 31 2021 19:14 utc | 15

Okay, then what can we infer from this lie-filed screed? I suggest that the NY Times and its manipulators are against all the highlighted portions of this point b highlighted from the 4 Point Joint Statement:

"Today, we will issue a joint statement on several issues of current global governance, expounding the essence of major concepts such as human rights, democracy, international order, and multilateralism, reflecting the collective demands of the international community, especially developing countries. We call on all countries to participate in and improve global governance in the spirit of openness, inclusiveness and equality, abandon zero-sum mentality and ideological prejudice, stop interfering in the internal affairs of any country, enhance the well-being of people of all countries through dialogue and cooperation, and jointly build a community with a shared future for mankind."

All the bolded text is what the Outlaw US Empire, its vassals and its propaganda organs are against, as in opposed in a very proactive manner up to and including physical war waged on nations that try to promote any of those bolded items. The one main feature the Outlaw US Empire is dead set against occurring is the construction of a global community aimed at promoting a shared, equitable future for humanity for that's a Win-Win outcome, not a Zero-sum last man standing, winner take all outcome Neoliberalism demands. In other words, the NY Times is serving as a sort of American Pravda by detailing what its actual policies are without actually declaring them to be policies.

Ever notice that within US culture there's not one sport or game that has a shared outcome between several different participants, that there's only one winner (team or individual) and that its entire political-economy is modeled on that concept? That equality of outcomes is always subsumed by equality of participation? That if there's not going to be any equality overseas then there won't be any equality at home? And I can list many more. That all such arrangements are promoting a domineering authoritarian ethos never seems to dawn on far too many--I'm the head of the household so you must do as I say. We don't care if 80% of the public demand universal single payer health insurance, an end to forever wars, clean water for our communities, clean air to breathe, freedom from mass shootings, freedom from police riots, and so forth and so on. The NY Times and its controllers don't want anything of the sort for the US public or for anyone else on the planet. And that's the message it delivers every time it publishes an article filled with lies, falsehoods, innuendo, fabrications, etc., which is daily.

The NY Times ought to be called The Projector and sold with the tabloids.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 31 2021 19:25 utc | 16

So great to see you back! And great to see another clear knockout in a re-match of you against the "Newspaper of record".
A "record" of propaganda and deceit surely by now.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Mar 31 2021 19:46 utc | 17

Thanks b, when you wrote: "The New York Times author simply construed that."
I would change to: "The New York Times author maliciously construed that."

Obviously this crap is for domestic consumption.

Posted by: Mike O | Mar 31 2021 20:14 utc | 18

Well, one thing for sure, non-stop propaganda works.

Polls say Americans report record low opinions of China

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/us/americans-polling-china-public-opinion/index.html

Posted by: Erelis | Mar 31 2021 20:15 utc | 19

The "Five Eyes" countries, who just happen to all be Spawn of Perfidious Albion, seem to be more and more infected with the virus of Orwellianism (itself an idea of Anglo culture). Perhaps parallel to the out-of-control "Five Eyes" apparatus, or as a subset of it, there is an unspoken out-of-control "Five Mouths" apparatus, of which the NYT is a key outlet ...

Let's hope other countries do everything they can keep that virus out of their systems, and inoculate themselves and their populations well.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Mar 31 2021 20:29 utc | 20

Posted by: Bernard F. | Mar 31 2021 17:31 utc | 6

Thanks for the french quotes you sprinkle over those pages. C'est savoureux !

Posted by: Herr Hesser | Mar 31 2021 20:29 utc | 21

I will bring up a "human right" that rarely is discussed in the MSM: the right to relieve one's bladder & bowels when traveling in public places. In many cities in the U.S., there are NO public restrooms, not even in the railway stations and bus depots! Oh, sure -- all the airports have them because they cater to the well heeled.

Here in the two biggest California cities SF and LA, one has to find a restaurant (good luck during the pandemic) or supermarket or else a secluded spot. I live next to an alley where the homeless people frequently dump, and we the neighbors have to clean it up because the city won't bother.

The authorities claim that setting out Porta-potties can't be done because homeless addicts would use them. WTF -- those people would do drugs in their own place if they had one. But this isn't just an issue about homelessness, which is an enormous violation of human rights in itself, but more broadly one of DECENCY that barely exists in this society.

Posted by: norecovery | Mar 31 2021 20:35 utc | 22

Steven Lee Myers needs to register as a foreign agent in China.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 31 2021 20:51 utc | 23

Be careful everyone, reading the NYT can be hazardous to your health. Years ago Noam Chomsky said that his wife could tell when he was reading the NYT as he was grinding his teeth. I suspect the NYT's is responsible for high blood pressure and alcoholism in some of its readership. Most of my exposure is in venues like MOA or comments by such great men like Professor Mohammad Marandi where the lies of this sort are exposed. The "west" goes to great expense to bury (literally and figuratively) their opponents or simply ignore them. Case in point, westerners when Marandi brings up the west supplying Saddam with chemical weapons that killed many of his friends and exposed him to these weapons they change the subject or fall silent. Isn't it time for the OCPW to examine this use of chemical weapons? I know, a rhetorical question. A crooked copper doesn't allow himself to be investigated without shifting the blame to others of the victims.

Posted by: Tom | Mar 31 2021 21:08 utc | 24

From M. K. Bhadrakumar:

Importantly, the Crown Prince said Saudi Arabia ‘firmly supports China’s legitimate position on the issues related to Xinjiang and Hong Kong, opposes interfering in China’s internal affairs under any pretext, and rejects the attempt by certain parties to sow dissension between China and the Islamic world.’

https://www.indianpunchline.com/the-china-iran-pact-is-a-game-changer-part-i/
https://www.indianpunchline.com/the-china-iran-pact-is-a-game-changer-part-ii/

That too, of course, is not reported to us by our Five Mouths mainstream news here in the West.

If even this key Islamic ally of the US sees no 'genocide', 'forced sterilization', 'forced labor', etc. in Xinjiang, how can the US (along with the UK, Canada, Australia etc.) - which together have destroyed so many Muslim lives and societies in just the past two decades (Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc.) - still be pushing those debunked false interventionist narratives? Guess like Saker says, it's for those in Zone A, because Zone B (the rest of the world) isn't falling for these lies.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Mar 31 2021 21:18 utc | 25

norecovery #22

The authorities claim that setting out Porta-potties can't be done because homeless addicts would use them. WTF -- those people would do drugs in their own place if they had one. But this isn't just an issue about homelessness, which is an enormous violation of human rights in itself, but more broadly one of DECENCY that barely exists in this society.

CHOLERA is gonna get ya.

It is sad but what has happened to the USA through neoliberal economic rules based society is the abdication of memory and learning over centuries.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 31 2021 21:22 utc | 26

The US-China meeting in Anchorage took place 75 years almost to the day of the Winston Iron Curtain speech in Fulton, Missouri. Just as the latter signalled a break point in the uneasy, war forced cohabit of the West with the communist Soviet Union, so too the Anchorage will enter the history as the break point in the US hegemony threatening collaboration of the West and China.

Since WW2, no other nation, not even Russia, has confronted the US so firmly and so publicly as did Yang Jiechi, one of the ruling member of the Chinese Politburo when he said that “the United States does not have the qualification to speak to China from a position of strength’.

That was a slap in the face the Americans will have to respond to, and it’s in the nature of the response one will find whether the American Governing elite is prepared to share power or go for a confrontation.

Posted by: Baron | Mar 31 2021 21:40 utc | 27

"The only question for me has always been whether the blob of experts, advisors, and government officials are maliciously pursuing this kind of global trolling or whether they're actual believers of the delusion of American Exceptionalism."

They are true believers. Almost everyone in the US is. We are propagandized from a very young age by our elders who have also been propagandized from a very young age. It is really difficult to escape the mindset and it takes much self education and self examination.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Mar 31 2021 21:40 utc | 28

Michael Weddings #28

It is a deep dark pit to climb out of. I am confident that there are enough to show the way.

Strength to all.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 31 2021 21:52 utc | 29

@Michael Weddington | Mar 31 2021 21:40 utc | 28

They are true believers. Almost everyone in the US is.

I find this hard to believe. They believe they are exceptional and at the same time denounce "white supremacy"? That is some serious doublethink.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 31 2021 22:08 utc | 30

I was in China for most of the time from 2006 through 2019. I teach ESL, mostly to college students who come from all over China, still have some students online. I took one year assignments, working in a total of eight different provinces. I took summers traveling through most of the rest. I jogged an hour a day, seeing street life.
The standard of living in China has improved DRAMATICALLY in these years. Gone is pickpocketing, street beggars. So many poor have been moved into decent housing. Health care, pharmacies, shopping, open air food markets--all are within walking distance of every neighborhood. Public transport is everywhere, of course, because Chinese civil engineering is the best in the world.
My students used to pedal the idea to me that "China is a developing country." I said--BS!

Xinjiang? I went there. Yes there are issues, like every place where the US is trying to break a big country apart. The US would like to Balkanize China.

Posted by: Helen | Mar 31 2021 22:34 utc | 31

Uncle Tungsten @ 23:

Steven Lee Myers used to work as a NYT correspondent in Moscow and Baghdad. He is the author of the tome "The New Tsar: the Rise and Reign of Vladimir Putin", the title of which alerts you to the tone of the garbage that wasted an entire plantation of pine trees.

You may wonder how Myers got the job as NYT bureau chief in Beijing. Wonder no more, the NYT's own advertisement for some lucky geezer to fill its bureau chief vacancy in Nairobi some years ago tells you the NYT only hires for such esteemed positions people whose heads are firmly stuck in a rabbit hole of Captain Biggles fantasy:

"Our Nairobi chief has a tremendous opportunity to dive into news and opportunity across a wide range of countries, from the deserts of Sudan to the pirate seas of Somalia, down through the forests of the Congo and the shores of Tanzania. It is an enormous patch of vibrant, intense and strategically important territory with many vital story lines, including terrorism, the scramble for resources, the global contest with China and the constant push-and-pull of democracy versus authoritarianism.

The ideal candidate should enjoy jumping on news, be willing to cover conflict, and also be drawn to investigative stories. There is also the chance to delight our readers with stories of hope and the changing rhythms of life in a rapidly evolving region."

Myers certainly knows how to jump on propaganda often and hard enough to turn into something faintly resembling ... news.

Ah, here we go: New Roles in Beijing Bureau

"... Steve moved to Beijing in 2016 and quickly built a portfolio that was as powerful as it was eclectic. His old world combined with his new one when he explored Russia’s fury over China’s hunger for timber. He detailed Beijing’s spreading crackdown on Islam, analyzed China’s exploration of the far side of the moon and reported on Hengdian World Studios, an outdoor movie and television lot scattered over 2,500 acres in eastern China. He also landed a rare interview with the Chinese actress Fan Bingbing after she was embroiled in a tax scandal.

At each stop along his journey, he has taken to heart the advice of the former executive editor Joe Lelyveld, devouring the local literature of his new home, not just the books by foreign correspondents. Lately, he has been reading Yan Lianke, the author of “The Day the Sun Died,” and “Lenin’s Kisses.” He has an equally voracious appetite for Chinese cuisine, which he is offsetting by training for his eighth marathon ..."

And here's our own Chris Buckley who joined Myers on his arduous tour of duty in Beijing:

"... Chris [Buckley] is our resident China expert, having spent the past 20 years reporting on the country. He went into journalism essentially as an excuse to hang around China.

Born in Australia, he decided to abandon a law degree and went to Beijing to study Communist Party history at the People’s University of China. After a half-hearted attempt to start an academic career, his odd jobs in teaching and translating turned into occasional fixer work for journalists, eventually in our own Beijing bureau.

He worked for Erik Eckholm and Elisabeth Rosenthal covering corruption scandals, political infighting, the SARS crisis and the outbreak of an AIDS epidemic in rural China. When they left, he worked for a while under a couple of obscure correspondents, Joe Kahn and Jim Yardley.

After a seven-year stint as a correspondent at Reuters, he returned to The Times in 2012. He spent the first three years waiting in Hong Kong for a visa, camping out at the Harbour Plaza Hotel for reasons that are unknown. From that perch, he wrote about the rise of Xi Jinping, his corruption campaign, his directive declaring war on liberal values, as well as the Umbrella Revolution. Since returning to the mainland, he has been a force behind our coverage of the crackdown on the Uighurs in Xinjiang and the country’s shift toward authoritarianism, while also taking on a more personal quest about Sichuan food."

Do you get the impression that these fellows jumped onto these cushy jobs for the food junkets?

Posted by: Jen | Mar 31 2021 22:48 utc | 32

@canadian cents Orwellian is not an english invention. Actually Orwell translated the book from the russian original We by Jewgeni Semjatin. Written 1920 in St. Petersburg. Maybe its the best translation in history of literature. He translated not by word or even plot points. He managed to translate culturally. He took more than 15 years for that and expressed his admiration for the book before by saying, he wishes the book will get the best translator in the world. Booth books are brilliant. I really recommend to read the original. You will understand very clear, where Orwell see the differences between anglo and russian. For the rest, i am very agree with you. I can see fractals of the book now everyday and everywhere.

Posted by: rico rose | Mar 31 2021 22:57 utc | 33

So, how will the NY Times spin this, "In Unprecedented Move, Brazil’s Military Leadership Quits After Bolsonaro Sacks Defense Minister":

"Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, a former army officer who served under the country’s brutal military dictatorship, has aroused new fears that he could attempt to use the military to stay in power if he loses next year’s election to the newly vindicated Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, a hugely popular leftist and former president."

COVID is really a crisis in Brazil. Even if Lula wins, Brazil has much damage inflicted by the Neoliberals to recover from.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 31 2021 23:04 utc | 34

Syria is very unhappy with the Conference held in Brussels supposedly dedicated to helping it, an action Lavrov said is an example of the Outlaw US Empire's attempt to "privatize" international organizations and make them subservient to the illegitimate "rules-based order":

"'The Syrian Arab Republic expresses its disapproval of holding that Conference without the invitation of the Syrian government which is the side concerned in the Syrian people’s affairs and the main partner of the UN,' the ministry said in a letter sent to the UN Security Council and UN Secretary-General, as quoted by state agency SANA.

"The Syrian foreign ministry stressed that the participation of the UN in this conference without the government of the state, which is directly concerned, is a clear violation of the foundations of the UN Charter, which calls on everyone to respect the sovereignty and independence of Syria, the integrity and security of its territories."

And Syria's territorial integrity is supposed to be one of the UNSC resolution's goals. So, the UN participates in its own undermining and the undermining of International Law by consorting with the criminal nations that attacked Syria to begin with. In the Valdai Club discussion Paco linked to on the previous thread, Lavrov shares Syria's displeasure. Hopefully, an English transcript will be made available by tomorrow of that discussion.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 31 2021 23:23 utc | 35

Who reads the NYT?

Why?

Posted by: jiri | Mar 31 2021 23:24 utc | 36

jo6pac @ 7,8 – RT has an article about same, China responds to accusation of virus originating in Wuhan lab (leaves out important details) --

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/519735-us-china-covid-origin/

"After a year of being subject to non-stop hatred and scapegoating, why would Beijing trust a US-led initiative to investigate it further? China called for a probe into the origins of Covid-19 to shift its focus to other countries – including to a US military laboratory, at Fort Detrick, Maryland, that it has repeatedly blamed for earlier outbreaks."

No mention here of the U.S. Army's participation in the military games, or of other outbreaks and/or detection of earlier presence of the virus elsewhere. I contend there will never be a full and proper investigation; all the dirty details will be swept under the rug just like 9/11.

Posted by: norecovery | Mar 31 2021 23:52 utc | 37


DLA Piper, Pilgrim’s Society, Prince’s Trust, Deep State law firms. Douglas Emhoff, Kamala Harris’? what about this? karlov1 @various i would be interested to hear your comments on this?

Posted by: snake | Apr 1 2021 0:04 utc | 38

Jen #32

Thank you, that explains these scribbling cowards. Give me Wilfred Burchet and his integrity any day.

Not one of these has any more substance than the shadow of Wilfred Burchet.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 0:14 utc | 39

"... international order, led by the United States, that is generally guided by principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to rule of law.
Such a system “does not represent the will of the international community,” according to the Chinese.

We throw this statement into spectroscope to check if there is any weasel content, phrases that sound nice but are capacious enough to cover not so nice meaning. Would it be even better if the much tutted "international order" was not BASED on principles, rather than GUIDED BY principles, and even weaker, GENERALLY GUIDED? Going further on that path we can be INSPIRED by principles, GENERALLY INSPIRED, and then we can make a bold step to VAGELY INSPIRED. Going further, OCCASIONALLY VAGUELY INSPIRED.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 1 2021 0:17 utc | 40

snake @38--

The "England never lost control of its American Colonies" is a very long running theme. Yet, does it really matter which is the King of the Outlaw Nations? Certainly there are many shared attributes beyond language, elite conception of exceptionalism being a major trait. Neoliberalism certainly arose in England first and was exported here. And there are clearly linkages in the development of WW1 propaganda to get the USA to enter the war along with the post-war Anti-Communist Crusade that became the Cold War. But it was the CIA/NSA that developed the 5-Eyes, but prior to that there was Echelon and many other programs that went against the UK's interest. And as Orwell foresaw, Airstrip-1 will always be allied with Oceania. It serves the same purpose next to Europe that Japan does next to Asia. The UK's occupied, but few ever note that anymore. As sinners and murderers, both are pretty equal, but they aren't Siamese Twins either where one will die if separated from the other. As things now stand, both should hang together.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2021 0:32 utc | 41

Jen @32

It costs about $70k/year to stay at the Harbor Plaza Hong Kong. Little Buckley stayed there for three years? Pretty impressive cash burn rate for an unemployed former teacher.

I think we can all guess who picks up his bar tab.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2021 0:55 utc | 42

rico rose @33, thanks, I didn't know that!

I looked it up and read this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2009/jun/08/george-orwell-1984-zamyatin-we

"Most of the aspects and ideas of the novel ["1984"] that still resonate so strongly in political life are his [Orwell's] own: newspeak, doublethink, thoughtcrime, the Thought Police, Room 101; the extreme use of propaganda, censorship and surveillance; the rewriting of history; labels and slogans that mean the opposite of what they say; the role for Britain implied in the name Airstrip One. References to these things pervade all levels of our culture."

So the book "1984" was clearly inspired from the 1921-1922 Russian book "We", but "Orwellianism" - as in "control by propaganda, surveillance, disinformation, denial of truth (doublethink), and manipulation of the past", and, especially for the context of this thread, newspeak/doublethink and "labels and slogans that mean the opposite of what they say", but also encompassing "Animal Farm" and other works by Orwell - is particularly being manifested today by the US, UK, Five Eyes (a rather Orwellian-sounding name they chose for themselves.)

Again, thanks, I learned something new.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Apr 1 2021 1:01 utc | 43

jiri #36

Who reads nyt???? Me never.

Why??? Masoch might know but I guess it kills the will to resist in the Usastan.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 1:30 utc | 44

We live in cruel times.

Someone write a brilliant book. Displeases the ruler, living becomes hard, is allowed to leave the country, dies in Paris in 1937. A lot of people remember the title of his most brilliant book, "We". BUT!!

some recall him as "Jewgeni Semjatin." Was he a Jew, a Russian, an Arab "Dzhugeny Semdzhatin" (Mongol perhaps)? Some just recall Russian book "We". Admittedly, hard to search for an author on the web with "we" as the keyword.

That said, the most frequent English transliteration is Yevgeny Zamyatin, followed by Eugene Zamyatin, or Eugene Zamiatin (Eugene Zamiatine to the French).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 1 2021 2:06 utc | 45

snake #38

Thank you for that link and on April fools day too;) But I am sure it is no joke and will read it with interest.

I appreciate the strange places you lurk in and cite on your journey, stay well.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 2:29 utc | 46

Piotr Berman @ 45:

"Jewgeni Semjatin" looks like phonetic German spelling to me.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 1 2021 2:32 utc | 47

karlof1 | Mar 31 2021 19:25 utc | 16

...not one sport or game that has a shared outcome...

A finger pointing at underlying intent to instill ideas and indeed, drives to yield false "natural" behaviors and points-of-view.

How curious the word "competition". It literally means "to pull together". Yet is commonly used to express the opposite... to produce winner-loser and zero-sum outcomes.

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 1 2021 2:42 utc | 48

B thank you for being so generous and keeping the open thread for us. Glad your back.
Regarding the mounting offensives to assert imperial dominance over China, Russia and anyone else I think 2021 is the year the empire "sputters". No machine can produce power when it's falling apart internally. Look at the Derek Chauvin trial. If he's acquitted the Blacks will explode, big time. If he's found guilty the rednecks will have a huge "hero" to ramp up their hate--- not against China or Russia or Iran-- against the Democrats. Either way, how is the U.S. imperial machine going to operate when half the military hates their political bosses? Fight and die for Biden? I doubt it.

Posted by: migueljose | Apr 1 2021 2:53 utc | 49

I unfortunately “lost” (for now?) my eldest brother to the NYTs ideological line several years ago and, unfashionably mentioned, to maryjane which, legalized in his state, imo weakened his resolve to resist injustice — an unfortunate combo but perhaps common amongst a certain amerikan class of people. Note: people in my state are still incarcerated for possession if they have no means to extricate themselves from the so-called justice system by posting bail etc.

My other brother, more introspective, remained quiet re the NYTs disinformation stuff except to say that those who have to take care of families, such as he with two grown children still needing assistance, have no good options to oppose the disinformation promulgated by the borg without sacrificing their families.

One insensitive brother, understandable, the other sensitive but cautious, understandable, both embracing disinformation of nyts to various degrees to get by.

Most don’t really believe this msm crap imo, at least those who have walked around the neighborhood. They just want to make it through to survive another day.

May we all find the means to cooperate, eliminate belligerence and work for a better world together without exception across the world. 1

Posted by: suzan | Apr 1 2021 2:58 utc | 50

uncle tungsten | Mar 31 2021 21:22 utc | 26

...the abdication of memory and learning over centuries....

Human memory is a vital [!] subject that seems ignored.

The concept of memory has been under intense study in US, directly by certain .gov agencies and indirectly by .gov covertly funding R&D at institutions and private universities...virtually all toward the goal of controlling the human activity of others.

Recall the brain v mind conundrum. And spirit juxtaposed to the body. And the hubris of trying to understand life while tolerating total ignorance both of death and what follows.

AS you note of memory, these are vital topics to any productive understanding of our earthly predicaments. Perhaps we have reached the level where all further progress of civilization depends on us not ignoring these topics. They are "vital", as in necessary for [any further life].


Posted by: chu teh | Apr 1 2021 3:16 utc | 51

NY times gonna NY times

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Apr 1 2021 3:28 utc | 52

Hypernormalization.

The word hypernormalization was coined by Alexei Yurchak, a professor of anthropology who was born in Leningrad and later went to teach in the United States. He introduced the word in his book Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation (2006), which describes paradoxes of Soviet life during the 1970s and 1980s. He says that everyone in the Soviet Union knew the system was failing, but no one could imagine an alternative to the status quo, and politicians and citizens alike were resigned to maintaining the pretense of a functioning society. Over time, this delusion became a self-fulfilling prophecy and the fakeness was accepted by everyone as real, an effect that Yurchak termed hypernormalisation.

<> <> <> <> <>

The Film by Adam Curtis.

In one interview Curtis mentions the focus on self combined with incompetence to explain 'hypernormalization'.

Shall we call this "The Curtis Trap"?:

Incompetence => Insecurity/Anxiety => Herding (division) => Elite Control => Incompetence

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 1 2021 4:30 utc | 53

chu teh @48--

Language is a curious animal. I took linguistics as part of my ESL (English as Second Language Instructor) training and Cultural Linguistics as part of my Anthropology minor, with Cognitive Psychology as part of my teacher credentialing which together are quite a hit. Different phrasings change meaning 180 degrees in more instances than might be imagined initially. And language's evolve as does the underlying grammar and its a priori kin universal grammar. A whole lot of fun and good for detecting. Oh, I almost forgot Cross Cultural Communication. All important!

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2021 5:49 utc | 54

@30 Norwegian
The USA isn`t "white", at least not anymore. The ruling ideology of the USA is universalist - for the whole mankind - irrespective of race and skin color. That`s why it`s representatives in the US government are composed of people of all races and skin colors.

Posted by: m | Apr 1 2021 7:03 utc | 55

chu teh #51

Perhaps we have reached the level where all further progress of civilization depends on us not ignoring these topics. They are "vital", as in necessary for [any further life].

In Australia there was a significant court case many decades ago where memory was put on trial. It was a foundation case that resulted in significant reform in terms of administrative pactice, legal liability and consumers legitimate expectation of not being misled.

Essentially a Local Government Council approved a subdivision of land in Wollongong that was unstable and subject to slip or subsidence when wet. person bought a block of that land, got Council approval to build a house on that land and it rained. And it slid away wrecking the house. The owner alleged the Council was negligent at all stages and sued and it climbed through the courts until finally reaching the highest court in Australia.

It was argued by the owner and barristers that it was reasonable to expect that a Local Government Authority would possess at least 100 years of knowledge of the conditions in its land and environment and should never have permitted the original subdivision let alone compound its liability by approving the construction on such vulnerable land.


The owner won the case and the High Court was unanimous in its judgement - a very significant thing when unanimity is behind the force of law. It is worth a read for those interested as it set in train an entire new State legislative framework to bring Councils under control and behave responsibly. It led on to all manner of implementations of the scientific precautionary principle. I had the supreme good fortune to be among the vast network of drivers behind that reform.

One hundred years of accumulated memory as the guiding factor in making decisions by authorities!

I consider sometimes the application of that decision to the gross negligence arising from the Government, the pharmaceutical industry, the professional medical practitioners in relation to the coronavirus pandemic. There is a willful disregard of the history of treatments and medications and there are peak advisory bodies that actually prohibit the application of proven harmless medicines (even as a precaution!)in the treatment of Covid-19 infections.

Someone will challenge this medical/pharmaceutical insanity and it will be another landmark for the supreme position that 'knowledge' holds in our civilisation.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 7:14 utc | 56

There is a noticeable anti China drumbeat in this little backwater of the Five Eyes. It looks like the public are being conditioned and 'consent' is being manufactured, much like the run up to the 2003 Second Iraq War. This orchestrated campaign has all the usual hallmarks, similar stink tanks have been deployed for their predictable 'opinions,' regardless of the facts or their lack of credible evidence.

https://johnmenadue.com/beijing-moscow-cooperation/

Of significant interest is the Polar Research & Policy Initiative. Their recent paper outlines the importance of Greenland to the Five Eyes. Reading the paper makes it clear the EU is considered a junior partner in the US led group.

https://polarconnection.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Report-The-Case-for-a-FVEY-CMA.pdf

Posted by: Paul | Apr 1 2021 7:18 utc | 57

@karlof1 | Apr 1 2021 0:32 utc | 41

And as Orwell foresaw, Airstrip-1 will always be allied with Oceania. It serves the same purpose next to Europe that Japan does next to Asia.

That's an interesting observation. Perhaps it was always obvious to everybody else, but I have not thought about it this way. Good comment.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 1 2021 7:47 utc | 58

Addendum to my post @ 57 above:
From the AFR:

Greg Barnes may have given Donald Trump the idea to buy Greenland. The Perth-based geologist was in the White House spruiking his plan for a rare earths mine on the frigid island just days before the then-US president’s thought bubble became public. “You don’t sit there with what’s the world’s most important rare earth deposits outside China and not attract interest,” Barnes says. The deposit could help shift control of the world market for commodities crucial to everything from electric cars to military planes.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 1 2021 7:49 utc | 59

@m | Apr 1 2021 7:03 utc | 55

The USA isn`t "white", at least not anymore. The ruling ideology of the USA is universalist - for the whole mankind - irrespective of race and skin color. That`s why it`s representatives in the US government are composed of people of all races and skin colors.

I didn't say or imply the US is "white". My point was that the ruling ideology appear to be denouncing the (so called) "white supremacy" in the US, while at the same time insisting on ruling supreme over the whole world. That is hypocrisy and doublethink on a serious new level, if you are to accept both as sincere opinions.

I think the only sincere opinion is their wish to rule absolutely domestically and internationally, skin color is just a tool used for manipulation.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 1 2021 8:07 utc | 60

snake #38

I will post a response on the open thread.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 8:30 utc | 61

OT but I am sure barflies would like to know this breaking news.

Conversely, the MSM wouldn't like anyone to know:

Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks received a personal message from Pope Francis on Palm Sunday. Assange’s partner, Stella Moris, said that “after a hard night, Julian woke up this morning to a kind, personal message from Pope Francis. It isn’t the first time the Pope writes to public figures who are in prison. There was, for instance, the case with Lula da Silva.

https://www.romereports.com/en/2021/03/29/pope-francis-writes-to-julian-assange/

Posted by: Paul | Apr 1 2021 9:16 utc | 62

karlof1 | Apr 1 2021 5:49 utc | 54

Your post sent me to the dictionary. Your referenced topics are each an awesome subject.

The US culture promotes the false dichotomy of winners and losers, us v them, etc. Winners decide what the laws mean and decide when and how they are applied. Included when convenient are the pithy explanations like "survival of the fittest, which "everyone" knows was the conclusion of Chas. Darwin...except AFAIK, it was first stated by Spencer as his explanation of Darwin's work, and used to justify all kinds of Crown mayhem, slavery and landlordism AKA Empire.

The automatic refusal to confront spirit, mind, memory, humanoid composition, life and death...to name a few examples . It's what the 0.1% do not fund.

All must be studied. But so far, the closest permitted inquiries are the study of dead meat, dead biological specimens/chemicals, and old scribblings containing either contradictory evidence , hearsay, unevaluated evidence or agreed-upon tales. In the history of Mankind, truth was studied very democraticly...determined by counting votes on what was or was not true...except when some tyrant simply decided the matter. We must do better.

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 1 2021 9:35 utc | 63

@ 60 Norwegian
Sorry, I misunderstood you.

The thing with ideology is that seen from the inside - from the point of view of the ideoloque - it looks like "truth". Not like a theory that might be true, partly true or wrong. Not like a political tradition that might be good for one country at a certain point in it`s historical development but not fully applicable to other countries with different traditions. No, "truth" is per definition always "true", at all times and under any circumstances.

Thus "freedom and democracy" is good for all mankind.

Seen from the ouside by somebody with a different worldview this sound hollow of course. What you see is a country whos government compulsively tries to impose it`s political and economic model on others, no matter the costs. That`s not at all how the ideoloques see themselfes.

Posted by: m | Apr 1 2021 9:44 utc | 64

uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 7:14 utc | 56

re ...One hundred years of accumulated memory as the guiding factor ...

Thanks for that! That's probably why we have land-use planning in So. Cal based on 100-year flood studies, etc . I never owned property until 15 years ago. Had to read thru a couple 100-year study topics and sign that I was informed. It was a surprise that authorities had that much foresight.

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 1 2021 9:49 utc | 65

Good to see you are back b!

"China hopes to position itself as the main challenger to an international order, led by the United States, that is generally guided by principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to rule of law."

"generally guided by" hahaha...

Posted by: Paul Janssen | Apr 1 2021 10:02 utc | 66

chu teh #65

Its not that they had that foresight but that legally they are expected to have and apply that much foresight. They are a continuity rather than born again fresh at each election so they are deemed by courts to have accumulated wisdom that is at least 100 years in the making. I guess there is a reason the courts deemed 100 years but I am not familiar with that level of detail. The key point is that element of continuity to perpetuate knowledge. Ignorance is no excuse before the law.

However it sets out the parameters to measure their performance.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 10:06 utc | 67

Helen #31

The US would like to Balkanize China.

The US has been doing Balkanize for a long time. I guess the Dulles brothers pursued it but then there were the 'Indian wars'.

Imagine the uproar if China did that to the USA and yet these exceptional clowns just assume they can do it to whoever they choose.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 10:11 utc | 68

@m | Apr 1 2021 9:44 utc | 64

What you see is a country whos government compulsively tries to impose it`s political and economic model on others, no matter the costs. That`s not at all how the ideoloques see themselfes.

I think there isn't any longer any reason to give the ideologues any benefit of the doubt. They know what they are doing, and should expect to be held accountable.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 1 2021 10:12 utc | 69

Today CGTN is running a strident denunciation of the BBC propaganda and fake news regarding Xinjiang. See here.

The Chinese Ministry for Foreign Affairs representative, Hua Chunying, is demolishing the BBC line directly to an off camera BBC journalist. This is beyond push back it is credibility shredding of a toady trying to obfuscate the lying mendacity of the BBC. Good to see.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 10:27 utc | 70

There are wiser news outlets than NYT. Take Richard Medhurst who is kicking Joe the dope's rs around the studio today and it is April Fools Day and where better than to start with Joe Xerxes Biden.

'We will stay in Afghanistan until we have an orderly withdrawal'.

Well I guess the Taliban will have their very own Tet offensive come 7 May (that is close enough to May Day for me). Maybe they will call it the Elphingstone Offensive after the numbskull dithering British Commander responsible for the englander disastrous attack, occupation and then retreat from Kabul in 1842.

Richard is in fine form for those desiring a 15 minute put down of Xerxes Biden staggering search for another battle to lose. Warning there is video of Biden dribbling words down his chin.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 10:41 utc | 71

ooops the link to Richard Medhurst:

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 10:43 utc | 72

Piotr Berman @ 45:

"Jewgeni Semjatin" looks like phonetic German spelling to me.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 1 2021 2:32 utc | 47

Correct German is Samjatin, and I noticed that auto-correct can change it, I wanted to point out that German phonetic values of letters are VERY different from English, and the transliteration of Cyrillic is traditionally adapted to the language in which you write. In my mother tongue, we use j and w mostly like Germans, but z like in English, however, in English j and w are pronounced VERY differently.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 1 2021 11:10 utc | 73

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 1 2021 9:49 utc | 65

If you really want to know what to expect in Los Angeles, Mike Davis can help:

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/642848/city-of-quartz-by-mike-davis/

ABOUT CITY OF QUARTZ
This new edition of Mike Davis’s visionary work gives an update on Los Angeles as the city hits the 21st century

“As central to the L.A. canon as anything that Carey McWilliams wrote in the forties or Joan Didion wrote in the seventies.” –New Yorker

“Few books shed as much light on their subjects as this opinionated and original excavation of Los Angeles from the mythical debris of its past and future.”
—San Francisco Examiner

No metropolis has been more loved or more hated. To its official boosters, “Los Angeles brings it all together.” To detractors, LA is a sunlit mortuary where “you can rot without feeling it.” To Mike Davis, the author of this fiercely elegant and wide- ranging work of social history, Los Angeles is both utopia and dystopia, a place where the last Joshua trees are being plowed under to make room for model communities in the desert, where the rich have hired their own police to fend off street gangs, as well as armed Beirut militias.

In City of Quartz, Davis reconstructs LA’s shadow history and dissects its ethereal economy. He tells us who has the power and how they hold on to it. He gives us a city of Dickensian extremes, Pynchonesque conspiracies, and a desperation straight out of Nathaniel West—a city in which we may glimpse our own future mirrored with terrifying clarity. In this new edition, Davis provides a dazzling update on the city’s current status.

A few hints:
1.) Stay off the flat places.
2.) Avoid being near the mouth of canyons.
3.) Being in the wind shadow of the mountains is good too.
4.) All that said, alluvial outwash, not too deep, and not on top of a fault, is the best place to be.

Davis is very informative about the politics too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 1 2021 11:10 utc | 74

The NYT is an organ of the Democratic Party. Since that is the party in power now, it is once again an organ of the official position of the State Dept. It is stenography for power.

That entirely explains this and much else. Nothing more complex or sophisticated is necessary.

They are just partisan hacks, parroting partisan nonsense of one side serving its donors.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Apr 1 2021 12:17 utc | 75

"We will stay in Afghanistan until every man falls through his own asshole into a heretofore unknown dimension. The theory of the intersection of dimensions at every point in space-time will at last be proven."--Joe "Worldbeater" Biden

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 1 2021 12:27 utc | 76

Paul | Apr 1 2021 9:16 utc | 62

Having only browsed , so far, the website at the link which you supplied, i could not find the content of the pope's message to Julian Assange .
Was the message positive, is the pope working to influence the powers that be to free the man, or did he request of Assange that he bend-over for god and expect a personal visit through backdoor channels ?
(/humor)
btw,When as a young catholic school boy "taking the knee" was an excrutiating painful "punishment" inflicted upon one by older, or even same aged, male bullies.


Considering the current pope's stance on some topical matters ( and considering with whom he has already stood in person ), contrary to that of wikileaks and Julian, i cannot envisage the pope standing with Julian in a supportive manner.

Posted by: Fíréan | Apr 1 2021 13:14 utc | 77

Great link !
@ uncle tungsten | Apr 1 2021 10:27 utc | 70

"touché-coulé"
BBC was "Anchoraged"

I recommend to watch those 5'

We must note the high quality of the various Chinese, Russian and Iranian ministers and spokespersons. There is a clear convergence of method.
The epoch when the global South (South of the North Pole for Russia) justified and defended itself is over. Demonstrations are documented, academic and delivered with calmness and skill. The language is rigoros, academic. And since "Anchorage" , without any diplomatic restraint.

The mastery of communication has changed sides.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 1 2021 13:24 utc | 78

I cannot imagine why you are on China's side. I don't want the NY Times to lie, but I find you have a definite pro-China slant, and I cannot imagine why. They are a thuggish, murderous regime.

Posted by: not convinced | Apr 1 2021 13:40 utc | 79

I cannot imagine why you are on China's side. I don't want the NY Times to lie, but I find you have a definite pro-China slant, and I cannot imagine why. They are a thuggish, murderous regime.

Posted by: not convinced | Apr 1 2021 13:40 utc | 79

And USA arms and helps KSA to starve Yemen. In what sense is China "thuggish, murderous" compared with assorted friends of USA, not to mention American police or prison guards when you displease them.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 1 2021 13:49 utc | 80

@Piotr, not being on China's side doesn't mean being on the USA's side. B and many others here don't realize this. They think it's a George W. Bush world, i.e. you're either on our side or you're against us. But China is even more repulsive in a lot of ways than the USA, you just don't here much about it.

Posted by: not convinced | Apr 1 2021 13:54 utc | 81

not convinced @79 <== Readers may ask themselves why people like this cannot see how brainwashed they are. I would like to point out again that America is a country at war and has been for generations. That is plenty long enough to internalize certain behaviors into the subconscious. A key behavior related to this problem is that the "patriotic American" is expected to contribute to the war efforts, and one thing that every citizen can do is to accept their "side's" war propaganda without question and defend that propaganda wherever it might be challenged.

The point is that the poster may not even really believe the ridiculous bullshit it spouts, but the poster perceives it as patriotic duty to America to spout that bullshit nonetheless. This, by the way, applies doubly to the writers at the New York Langley Times. Those latter see themselves as front line fighters for American ideology and narratives. Lies are just weapons they use to fight for the empire that has granted them lifestyles far above what they merit.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2021 14:15 utc | 82

@William Gruff, I don't dispute your opinion. In fact, I agree with almost all of it. However, the tendency here at this blog to hold up China as some sort of paragon of virtue because it is the enemy of choice of the corrupt American empire is very troubling. It is an example of black and white thinking that you see in simple intellects. I expected more from all of you which is a compliment, if you can understand it.

Posted by: not convinced | Apr 1 2021 14:25 utc | 83

@ not convinced | Apr 1 2021 14:25 utc | 83 with the China bashing

Please go read comment number 211 in the Somewhat Out Of The Mud thread and refute it. I am offended by your ignorant and cretinous rock throwing

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2021 14:35 utc | 84

"...you just don't here much about it [the evils of the Chinese]...

Is the poster an idiot or does the poster think the readers are idiots? Honest (non-rhetorical) question here!

The very parent article that our host provided for this discussion thread illustrates ways that the imperial mass media promulgates fake news about how "repulsive" the empire's chosen adversaries are. How could anyone "not here [sic] much about it" unless they were in a coma?

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2021 14:44 utc | 85

The title of this blog post could also be written as:

"False Assertions, Misleading Quotes, Fake Sources - How The NYT (and Free Press) does Journalism"

Meanwhile, I wonder if the New York Times has found those non-existent Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq yet or, better yet, those RussiaGate "hackers" who stole the 2016 election for Donald Trump.

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 1 2021 14:51 utc | 86

"I don't dispute your opinion. In fact, I agree with almost all of it."

What opinion in my post @82 could the poster possibly be referring to being in agreement with?

Obviously the poster is a bot functioning with limited input from a human intellect. Maybe a harried operator clicking the "OK" button on responses that the bot suggests? I could write a better bot on a long weekend if that's what I wanted to do.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2021 15:02 utc | 87

@Piotr Berman I did write the name as a German, right. Funny thing is that I looked at my bookshelf because of that and find out, that two of them call him semjatin and the another samjatin. Btw another book of him also presents a very contemporary question. In Attila he describes the growing up of him as a hostage of Roman Empire. He finds out, that the whole thing is only still walking, because nobody comes to tear it down. Its a duty on mankind to destroy it, because what is, do only suck the energy of progress. So he does. You could translate that in our world easily as well. Semjatin himself had to flee from Russia to Paris after publishing We. He is the only known example of a person, who's death verdict got lifted by Stalin. Maxim Gorki convinced him to do so, but Semjatin was smart enough to stay away.

Posted by: rico rose | Apr 1 2021 15:35 utc | 88

As Herr Hesser | Mar 31 2021 20:29 utc | 21 found it "savoureux"

"À boulets rouges!*"

For those who haven’t watched it yet, it’s an emergency because “fairness is overratted” and the video should quickly become untraceable.
Thanks to Uncle Tungsten for the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0oo8PsUKrA


As the worldwide known "The Anatomy Lesson of Dr. Nicolaes Tulp" an oil painting on canvas by Rembrandt, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying gives a masterful dissection of a corpse of journalism, (aka BBC) .

In fact, that looks like "The Anatomy Lesson of Dr. Deijman" an 1656 fragmentary painting by Rembrandt. The painting, a group portrait, shows Dr. Deijman performing a brain dissection on the cadaver of an executed criminal, "Black Jack", an habitual offender who had robbed a textile store with a knife resulting in his execution by hanging.

At that time, it was still hoped to find a physiological cause for aggressive deviant behaviour. I have already posted Professor Laborit’s more contemporary explanations on this subject.


*britisch (XVIIIth Century) tactical naval artillery use of hight heated balls, when you even want to preserve the enemy vessel.

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 1 2021 16:29 utc | 89

@bot
Posted In Name Only: not convinced | Apr 1 2021 13:54 utc | 81


But China is even more repulsive in a lot of ways than the USA, you just don't here much about it.

"Mission: IMPOSSIBLE"

Posted by: Bernard F. | Apr 1 2021 16:41 utc | 90

Well, one thing for sure, non-stop propaganda works.
Polls say Americans report record low opinions of China
Posted by: Erelis | Mar 31 2021 20:15 utc | 19

Also there is a big surge in anti-Asian hate crimes and xenophobia, but I have not seen any MSM making that connection.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Apr 1 2021 17:02 utc | 91

Let's cut to the chase:

Encircle China? Who wants to be bricks on US’ wall against China?: Global Times editorial

During the Opium Wars, the British Empire had the cannons (commodities) with which Marx stated it demolished the then thought to be impregnable walls of China (Qing Dynasty). But now there's a new, better boss in town (the Communists), and it's now China (Popular Republic) that has Marx's cannons.

So, the only question left is: who's gonna be the bricks? Because it's not gonna be China.

Posted by: vk | Apr 1 2021 17:08 utc | 92

It's disappointing but not altogether surprising to see one of the progressive Youtube channels - the Hill rising - Saagar Enjeti also totally drop into the anti-China propaganda machine, in spite of having seen through the exact same fake news methodology of Russiagate. The methodology, as shown in evidence by Sharyll Atkisson and numerous others, is to keep blowing new news bubbles, regardless of how ridiculous and fact-free (and source-free) they are. What matters is repetition, quoting each other, then quoting how often and how many media sources are saying it, thereby building 'evidence' purely on the basis of quantity of hearsay.
Aside from this perfidious anti-journalism, the use or sourcing in British MI6 is clear by its repeated perverted focus on (literally) shit and piss (the Skripal and Assange sagas), and Bellingcat's love for some Ukraine-obsession on the part of Russia (MI6 pays pennies to poor jobless Ukrainian security services, who can't imagine the Russian elite can get up without thinking about Ukraine).

Posted by: Josh | Apr 1 2021 19:05 utc | 93

Posted by: Fíréan | Apr 1 2021 13:14 utc | 77

I understand the contents of Pope's private messages to individuals remain private for obvious reasons.

It is sufficient to just send the message to Julian Assange.

That also sends an unmistakeable message to authorities and the world.

Where is Amnesty International and where is the Australian government ?

I notice the Australian government conducted frantic back room 'diplomacy' to have the clumsy dual Australian/UK spy/academic released from Iran. Of course the public could not be told the vital fact that she was married to a sleazy Israeli operative until after her release. As if the Iranians didn't know that. Within hours of her carefully choreographed release the US murdered the leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 1 2021 19:35 utc | 94

I cannot imagine why you are on China's side. I don't want the NY Times to lie, but I find you have a definite pro-China slant, and I cannot imagine why. They are a thuggish, murderous regime.

Posted by: not convinced | Apr 1 2021 13:40 utc | 79 AND
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 1 2021 13:49 utc | 80

One example, China and Bolivia under Morales negotiate a deal on mining lithium where it is a win win, Bolivia would get value added to the raw material before exporting, i.e. creating jobs and wealth for the nation. The US UK orchestrates a coup spreads death and destruction installs a puppet government and cancels the deal. Elon Musk says we do coups. I know who I would trust to do business with.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 1 2021 20:05 utc | 95

Tom @95

I suppose it is all a matter of perspective. From Musk's perspective it was thuggish of the Bolivian people to undo the coup that he and his BFFs in the US establishment worked so hard for. Some people give more weight to Musk's notions of what should happen in Bolivia than they do to the Bolivian people.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2021 20:42 utc | 96

William Gruff @ 82 and onwards:

Notconvinced @ 79 reminds me of Whatissowrong who periodically pops up on certain MoA forums when B posts something on Afghanistan, to whine about how US forces must stay in Afghanistan to safeguard women's rights, without offering any evidence that the US presence has benefited women and girls living outside Kabul and other major cities - nearly 80% of women in Afghanistan live in rural areas - over the past 20 years. Now Notconvinced tells us China is a thuggish and murderous regime: be prepared for this narrative to pop up now and again every time B says something related to China.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 1 2021 21:12 utc | 97

@Jen, @william, and whoever else it may apply to,

I don't want the USA to stay in Afghanistan. I don't want the USA to be anywhere except in the USA.

I'm no fan of the Americans.

That doesn't mean that the Chinese are any better.

I stopped coming here daily when I saw that there was a very simplistic tendency to think that because the USA is bad, then China, its purported enemy, must be good.

Also, nice try, Jen, to try to compare me to some other commenter who has strange notions about women's right so that people can conflate the two of us. Another psychology 101 trick.

Have a nice day!

Posted by: not convinced | Apr 1 2021 21:38 utc | 98

not convinced

You are not convincing at all.

Posted by: arby | Apr 1 2021 23:58 utc | 99

Posted by: Jen | Apr 1 2021 21:12 utc | 97

"Notconvinced @ 79 reminds me of Whatissowrong who periodically pops up on certain MoA forums when B posts something on Afghanistan,

Exactly what I thought.

I'm interested to know what (" But China is even more repulsive in a lot of ways than the USA, you just don't here much about it.")that is that we don't hear much about.

Posted by: arby | Apr 2 2021 0:19 utc | 100

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