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February 17, 2021
Open Thread 2021-014
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Not everyone is happy about the US landing on Mars, Posted by: arby | Feb 19 2021 14:00 utc | 201 From today’s Guardian. (Which fails to add that these killings occurred during the height of Plan Colombia during which the US under Bush and the UK under the New Labour regime deployed special forces to work alongside Colombia’s genocidal forces. It is no surprise that the fascist Israelis were there too.) Posted by: bevin | Feb 19 2021 14:08 utc | 202 Wuhan Lab Eligible To Receive US Taxpayer Funding Through 2024, NIH Confirms Posted by: Mao | Feb 19 2021 14:11 utc | 203 “Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has denounced that the CFE and Petróleos Mexicanos (Pemex) were significantly harmed amid https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Mexico-Seeks-Power-Sovereignty-With-Reform-To-Electricity-Law-20210218-0021.html in previous administrations. Moreover, private companies were granted subsidies despite raising prices as the state-owned plants were closed.” Posted by: arby | Feb 19 2021 15:14 utc | 204 By a coincidence, an essay in Aeon on Popper: https://aeon.co/essays/how-popperian-falsification-enabled-the-rise-of-neoliberalism Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 19 2021 15:45 utc | 205 @Bemildred | Feb 19 2021 0:00 utc | 184
I don’t think I have stated I don’t want to talk about ideology. Sometimes I point out that people use ideology instead of scientific arguments. That’s more or less what I did there. I don’t deny the existence of ideology, but replacing real science with ideology is a bad idea.
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The same! Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2021 15:51 utc | 206 @uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2021 9:41 utc | 198 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2021 15:54 utc | 207 There is no argument about what’s happening as the facts are capable of speaking for themselves through the increasing inability of fundamental oceanic organisms to reproduce in an increasingly acidic environment. This action threatens the stability of the ocean’s trophic system–the food chain. As a carbon sink, the ocean is essentially overflowing. Posted by: LP | Feb 19 2021 17:15 utc | 208 And North Korea yet again Posted by: arby | Feb 19 2021 17:32 utc | 209 I’d like to pass on some useful information I read at naked capitalism yesterday — it’s about covid, so if you aren’t interested, you can move on. I had already found this to be true for myself, at least as far as comfort wearing masks is concerned. The information was simply that a cloth mask gives one a humid environment in which to breath, which is uncomfortable for the virus, more so than for the wearer. My own experience has been with double masking cloth masks when shopping. I have my original padded, home made mask which is fitted nicely to my face lower regions but tends to slip slightly above the nostrils. That mask has three layers of old cotton undershirt quilted into it. (Nice and warm the cold weather we’ve been getting.) Posted by: juliania | Feb 19 2021 18:20 utc | 210 @ juliania | Feb 19 2021 18:20 utc | 212 Posted by: Fíréan | Feb 19 2021 18:50 utc | 212 I suspect they will learn from this cold snap and put measures into place to prevent it happening in the future. Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 20:29 utc | 213 @GM Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 20:37 utc | 214 General note on hydropower in Texas: Indeed only 1% of that state’s energy comes from hydropower. BUT there are 29 million residents in Texas, so that means 290,000 people rely on dams for their electricity (or at least part of it). That’s not an insignificant number especially for more far-flung rural areas or small towns and cities such as those around the Amistad Dam for example. Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 20:48 utc | 215 Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 17:41 utc | 136
I read some research on this subject which said that some land crops preferred (did better with) more CO2 and some with less. What is clear however, is that some marine creatures that make shells out of calcium carbonate, are struggling to make shells as the acidity of the oceans increases. Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 19 2021 20:51 utc | 216 Seems it wasn’t weather or ERCOT it was the Russians,, Posted by: arby | Feb 19 2021 20:55 utc | 217 @vk #180 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2021 20:57 utc | 218 @steven t johnson #179 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2021 21:02 utc | 219 @foolisholdman #218 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2021 21:07 utc | 220 We should watch closely the messaging coming from the Texas GOP and right wingers in America regarding the causes and results of the “once in a century” winter storm. Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 21:13 utc | 221 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2021 21:07 utc | 222 Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 21:15 utc | 222 robie | Feb 18 2021 16:12 utc | 123
Since it is clear that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, i.e. it helps to trap the Sun’s heat and it is clear that the Earth is getting warmer, for whatever reason, and the warming is having a deleterious effect on the weather, it seems a stupid idea to push more CO2 into the atmosphere if we can avoid doing so. Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 19 2021 21:16 utc | 223 Fascinating presentation provided for Putin by Head of the Federal Service for Financial Monitoring Yury Chikhanchin which I would describe as actions to control corruption and criminal activity in the widest sense of what compromises the financial sphere. Much is being accomplished with billions of rubles being returned to the budget or impounded along with the opening of several thousand criminal cases. Also a method’s been devised to track crypto currency transactions since they’re often used in criminal schemes. Of further interest is this service’s working with several nations which are avowedly Russophobic, and its involvement with anti-terrorism and sanctions work. Like I said, fascinating! The Earth has had 3000 and higher ppm CO2 in its past – it was actually the more biodiverse eras which had the high CO2 levels. Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 21:18 utc | 225 For the troll trying to discredit me on Ocean Acidification and the Climate Crisis, Read this, although I really doubt that will occur. Naysayers are anchored to their positions and no amount of facts can pry them free from their purchase as I’ve discovered over the years in trying to do so. As I wrote above and several times over the years, the Climate Crisis’s basic fundamentals are explained by high school physics, that is if that subject’s still taught. Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2021 20:57 utc | 220 Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 21:36 utc | 227 Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 21:18 utc | 227 Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 21:54 utc | 228 @K_C_ | Feb 19 2021 20:37 utc | 216 Posted by: gm | Feb 19 2021 22:47 utc | 229 vk | Feb 18 2021 12:47 utc | 107 Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 19 2021 23:20 utc | 230 breakdown of energy sources in british columbia… Posted by: james | Feb 19 2021 23:21 utc | 231 Smith | Feb 18 2021 12:32 utc | 105
The problem as we found out in postwar UK, is that if you have socialist , “Nationalized” companies and a capitalist government (even one disguised as “socialist”, as ours was) the managers are still the same old bosses, just paid by the state instead of from the profits and the company is run so as to subsidize big private firms. So for example British Electricity supplied Imperial Chemical Industies Ltd, ( a privately owned firm) with extremely cheap power and British Coal supplied it with dirt-cheap coal and British Rail transported stuff for it for very little. As a result the books showed that the “Nationalized” firms made massive losses. The MSM seized on this and continually trumpeted “Socialism is all very well, but it Always makes a loss!!” Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 19 2021 23:46 utc | 232 @149 Posted by: Jason | Feb 19 2021 23:52 utc | 233 Thanks for asking, Firean @ 214; here you go:
My point addressed my experience double masking. You appear to be skeptical on the entire issue. Good luck with that! Posted by: juliania | Feb 20 2021 0:01 utc | 234 RE: “On the bright side, the warmer planet will make surviving nuclear winter more possible.” Posted by: gm | Feb 20 2021 0:41 utc | 235 c1ue@221 continues to get it wrong. I wrote “I will note that any ‘argument’ relying on the premise that averages aren’t meaningful—as opposed to criticizing a particular method of averaging as undersampled or well, any actual criticism—is in the ‘not even wrong’ category of error.” c1ue misreads this somehow as to mean I’m saying the opposite, that averages are meaningless. (The comment was inspired by another commenter by the way whose user name I’ve forgotten, but c1ue’s vanity misleads.) Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 20 2021 1:01 utc | 236 Trying to get a message through: Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 20 2021 1:04 utc | 237 @ steven t johnson | Feb 20 2021 1:01 utc | 238 Posted by: gm | Feb 20 2021 1:14 utc | 238 Bill Gates’ Dainty Carbon Footprint: Posted by: gm | Feb 20 2021 1:49 utc | 239 Update on Texas: Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 20 2021 2:08 utc | 240 I just finished watching Princess of the Yen that Grieved provide the link to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 20 2021 2:56 utc | 241 For the troll trying to discredit me on Ocean Acidification and the Climate Crisis, Read this, although I really doubt that will occur. Naysayers are anchored to their positions and no amount of facts can pry them free from their purchase as I’ve discovered over the years in trying to do so. As I wrote above and several times over the years, the Climate Crisis’s basic fundamentals are explained by high school physics, that is if that subject’s still taught. Posted by: LP | Feb 20 2021 8:48 utc | 242 @ juliania | Feb 20 2021 0:01 utc | 236 Posted by: Fíréan | Feb 20 2021 13:40 utc | 243 Left out by EU, Eastern Europe scrambles for Russian, Chinese vaccines NYTimes warns readers against critical thinking lest they realize the ‘paper of record’ is feeding them lies gm@240 gives an example of the internet principle that pretending not to understand English is an admission of defeat in argument. Also, that gm doesn’t know what “word salad” means. And that gm attributes magical powers to “AI.” Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 20 2021 15:26 utc | 246 @ psychohistorian | Feb 20 2021 2:56 utc | 243… glad you liked that princes of the yen movie… i did too when i watched it, maybe less then a year ago! Posted by: james | Feb 20 2021 17:01 utc | 247 @ james | Feb 20 2021 17:01 utc | 249 with the follow up about Princess of the Yen Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 20 2021 17:18 utc | 248 psychohistorian… – i haven’t read the shock doctrine – is that naomi klein?? i see it is… i read the book after that one – This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate.- i thought it was a good book.. informative and on point… Posted by: james | Feb 20 2021 17:41 utc | 249 i think naomi is a canuck too as memory serves… she might live in vancouver.. that is what i remember from the book.. i might be wrong.. Posted by: james | Feb 20 2021 17:43 utc | 250 @ james Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 20 2021 18:13 utc | 251 @ psychohistorian.. thanks…. we own our house and love where we live… if this place went to zero – we would still love it! i have nothing in the equity/bond markets.. my wife has some…. i guess this is the 64,000 question – when does the bubble burst?? it is very hard to predict, but it will eventually happen.. cheers james Posted by: james | Feb 20 2021 19:47 utc | 252 @steven t johnson #238 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 20 2021 21:55 utc | 253 c1ue@255 displays more incompetence. The claims that I’m wrong would give me food for thought if ever there were actual examples of elementary errors. Misreading my attack on the idea that averages are meaningless as a claim that averages are meaningless, is an example of genuine incompetence, as opposed to an unsupported assertion. That’s nothing but malice and malice is not an argument. Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 20 2021 22:46 utc | 254 RE: gm@240 gives an example of the internet principle that pretending not to understand English is an admission of defeat in argument. Also, that gm doesn’t know what “word salad” means. And that gm attributes magical powers to “AI.” Posted by: gm | Feb 20 2021 22:55 utc | 255 Thanks, Fíréan @ 245 — your post is most interesting, more detail! Apologies for my misapprehension – You are absolutely correct: critical thinking and good study, well said — we all need to act on these principles. Best wishes for good health! Posted by: juliania | Feb 21 2021 1:44 utc | 256 Again, I’d like to commend Firean @ 145 for following up on the comment I had made about a link at Naked Capitalism concerning the humid environment of facemasks with respect to respiratory infections and specifically Covid. He kindly geve a link at the above comment which goes to more detail in examining this concept, and I would recommend strongly that article be carefully read. Here are a few more extracted segments: Posted by: juliania | Feb 21 2021 2:30 utc | 257 Take that, Bill Gates! Posted by: gm | Feb 21 2021 3:09 utc | 258 Cool story, bro: @ Posted by: gm | Feb 21 2021 3:09 utc | 260 Meanwhile, from Indian Marxist news: With media blitz, China crafts new narrative on border crisis Posted by: Antonym | Feb 21 2021 4:15 utc | 261 IN China, guys like Ted Cruz would prolly get a firing squad… Posted by: denk | Feb 21 2021 5:07 utc | 262 Well, now we have an American corporation making unilateral international political decisions….who to support Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 21 2021 6:45 utc | 263 I haven’t seen this reported here Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 21 2021 6:49 utc | 264 Facebook censored the Aus govt and now the Myanmar govt. Posted by: Smith | Feb 21 2021 7:48 utc | 265 In spite of the Texan troubles, watch out for this if you are a “fin-du-monde” fan. Edgar Cayce prophesied that the “earth changes” would be signaled when Etna erupted, and would include the US being divided by being invaded by the sea. (Mississipi basin). Texans, visit Florida while you still can without taking a boat…. Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 21 2021 11:08 utc | 266 @ vk | Feb 21 2021 3:36 utc | 262 Posted by: gm | Feb 21 2021 11:21 utc | 267 FB stronger than governments? As long as you have a few billions customers, you bet you are stronger than a gov. But that does not mean that the customers are not being willingly fooled by FB. Posted by: Mina | Feb 21 2021 12:01 utc | 268 @vk | Feb 21 2021 3:36 utc | 262 Posted by: gm | Feb 21 2021 12:32 utc | 269 Jesus christ, I just discover new smartphones don’t even come with chargers anymore. Posted by: Smith | Feb 21 2021 13:50 utc | 270 Smith | Feb 21 2021 13:50 utc | 272 Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 21 2021 14:27 utc | 271 @ Posted by: gm | Feb 21 2021 12:32 utc | 271 And it’s still true that a higher average temperature will—for one single effect—increase the amount of evaporation from the soil, affecting plant life, even if the highest temperatures don’t change much. c1ue implying otherwise (as ignoring the answer c1ue *asked for* implies) is very much like saying that a crock pot won’t cook because it’s temperatures are not as high as the oven’s. Posted by: LP | Feb 21 2021 15:26 utc | 273 @ vk | Feb 21 2021 14:32 utc | 274 Posted by: gm | Feb 21 2021 16:55 utc | 274 @ dan of steele Posted by: Smith | Feb 21 2021 23:11 utc | 275 Posted by: gm | Feb 21 2021 16:55 utc | 276 Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 22 2021 6:41 utc | 276 @gm,
Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 22 2021 6:47 utc | 277 To gm and whoever else might still be reading, I apologize for the formatting shitshow I just added above. No idea how that stuff ended up on block quotes. Hopefully y’all (that’s the Texan in me) can still make sense of it. Posted by: _K_C_ | Feb 22 2021 6:50 utc | 278 _K_C_ #280
Which November was that? 😉 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 22 2021 11:08 utc | 279 gm #276
I just hope Rachel Maddow doesn’t read your post. We will never hear the end of it. She will work her febrile brain into a frenzy and claim this is proof that the Dulles brothers were right in their theory of the Russian/Chinese Communist inspired domino effect. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 22 2021 11:15 utc | 280 The question is: if an election is never set up to produce a legitimage result to begin with, what can you steal, hookwink, or cheat out of it? Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 22 2021 11:57 utc | 281 @_K_C_ | Feb 22 2021 6:47 utc | 279 Posted by: gm | Feb 22 2021 13:23 utc | 282 This link gives a brief historical overview of the context for the recent Texas grid failure. The neoliberal obsession with cutting up and profiting from social systems, infrastructure, which benefit the whole of society including, especially, small businesses and communities is at fault imo.
1996 Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Order 888 Posted by: suzan | Feb 22 2021 15:42 utc | 283 @Smith #88:
Off the top of my head—grocery stores and restaurants/cafes.
A gatekeeper of what? Putin does not claim to be a communist. How can he be a gatekeeper of it? You should read definitions of words before using them.
Real wages in Russia increased by 2.5 percent in 2020 (RIA Novosti, February 18, 2021 — machine translation) Posted by: S | Feb 22 2021 23:27 utc | 284 |
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