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February 17, 2021
Open Thread 2021-014
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Posted by: Smith | Feb 18 2021 11:17 utc | 100 Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2021 12:27 utc | 101 admitted, first phase of their self-described “conspiracy” ..due to “secret” efforts of a “well-connected cabal of powerful people”. Posted by: snake | Feb 18 2021 12:27 utc | 102 @ Bemildred Posted by: Smith | Feb 18 2021 12:32 utc | 103 @_K_C_ | Feb 18 2021 5:28 utc | 78 Posted by: gm | Feb 18 2021 12:47 utc | 104 Very good paper, recommend reading it (props to Michael Roberts Blog Facebook page): vk @ 102
I never said it did and your subsequent ramble still doesn’t change the fact that South Africa is a mixed economy, Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2021 12:49 utc | 106 Posted by: Smith | Feb 18 2021 12:32 utc | 105 Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2021 12:58 utc | 107 @ Bemildred Posted by: Smith | Feb 18 2021 13:09 utc | 108 It’s not just Texas…
Posted by: gm | Feb 18 2021 13:40 utc | 109 Trying to figure out how this was banned Posted by: Dogon Priest | Feb 18 2021 13:53 utc | 110 Ted Cruz (R-TX) pulls a Marie Antoinette: @Stonebird | Feb 18 2021 9:18 utc | 90
They are not NASA graphs, but yes we are most likely on a falling trend rather than the opposite. The link was to the Spotless Days page of SILSO in Belgium where the official international sunspot count is being managed. Sunspot counts is a measure of solar activity, where few spots mean low activity. Counting spotless days in a solar cycle transition like now is a way to predict the coming solar cycle peak activity.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 14:02 utc | 112 @Jason | Feb 18 2021 10:00 utc | 93
Thank you for confirming my point that scientific arguments on climate are invariably met with ideological and politicized name calling, and is thus political and not scientific in nature. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 14:05 utc | 113 Free market frolics: psychohistorian @86 Posted by: migueljose | Feb 18 2021 14:52 utc | 115 norecovery @ 80 Posted by: ld | Feb 18 2021 15:19 utc | 116 @96 uncle tungsten Posted by: m | Feb 18 2021 15:31 utc | 117 Texas disaster Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 18 2021 15:52 utc | 118 Don’t even want to name the poster. Above “science” is cited coming from Randall Carlson and his sacredgeometryinternational.com website. OK. Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 18 2021 15:53 utc | 119 9# Down South Posted by: willie | Feb 18 2021 15:54 utc | 120 @Jason #93 and others ..
I see the whole climate change fight as a kind of religion where you are either with “us” or against – no open discussion is accepted in MSM. Posted by: robie | Feb 18 2021 16:12 utc | 121 RE: “Trying to figure out how this was banned Posted by: gm | Feb 18 2021 16:14 utc | 122 @oldhippie | Feb 18 2021 15:53 utc | 121
I just wanted to mention that Randall Calson’s official website is https://randallcarlson.com/ Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 16:38 utc | 123 @ robie | Feb 18 2021 16:12 utc | 123 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 16:41 utc | 124 @ 112 Dogon Priest & GM – Thank you for sharing the video of Topher. I have a radio show on a low power FM station in Venice CA. That song will be on the next show for sure. Maybe I’ll follow it with some Three Six or some other Stax / Memphis jewels. Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 18 2021 16:44 utc | 125 So foreign politics expert Joe Biden is deemed unable to make the serious contacts with the foreign placekeepers.Mrs.Harris talked a long time with Macron. Posted by: willie | Feb 18 2021 17:02 utc | 126 @ Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 6:53 utc | 82 the natural gas companies say it is clean.. you can ask them what they mean when they are doing the sales pitch.. it isn’t… more clean then oil i suppose! electricity is cleaner… that’s all.. Posted by: james | Feb 18 2021 17:13 utc | 127 James– Posted by: arby | Feb 18 2021 17:20 utc | 128 RE: Harris doing Biden job by calling up world leaders -willie | Feb 18 2021 17:02 utc | 128 Posted by: gm | Feb 18 2021 17:26 utc | 129 karlof1 @7 – that presser after the Finland minister’s visit was extremely interesting, brief as it was. It enabled Lavrov to make careful distinctions between Europe, of which Russia is part, no question, and the EU. There are still connections with the latter body, but I thought the expression launched by a previous poster was informative — the EU is a cartel, not a nation, or even a federation of nations. Similar now that we in the US have put the oligarchs in charge, to us. Posted by: juliania | Feb 18 2021 17:31 utc | 130 @james | Feb 18 2021 17:13 utc | 129 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 17:37 utc | 131 @ 130 arby… thanks for the fine print… either way – it still can’t be called ”clean”… cleaner then oil – yes… but there are other cleaner options too.. Posted by: james | Feb 18 2021 17:38 utc | 132 well you can fuck off with the virtue signaling bullshit norwegian… maybe it is because you are not interested in what i think.. so be it.. maybe it is a language problem.. Posted by: james | Feb 18 2021 17:39 utc | 133 @arby | Feb 18 2021 17:20 utc | 130 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 17:41 utc | 134 Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 14:02 utc | 114 Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 18 2021 17:46 utc | 135 @james | Feb 18 2021 17:39 utc | 135
Just explain why you think some gas is “clean” and some is not and we will all be happy. But now we are down to name calling and profanity it seems. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 17:47 utc | 136 For the first time ever in the history of space exploration, Mars will have visitors from two nations simultaneously–the Outlaw US Empire and China. This infographic shows the basic capabilities and mission focus of the two landers. vk@102 Posted by: thomas | Feb 18 2021 17:57 utc | 138 @ Stonebird | Feb 18 2021 17:46 utc | 137 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 17:59 utc | 139 Why China, with same size of power grid, won’t suffer outage like in the US
My second quote from the Duma conversations:
Okay, I’m ready to become one. And maybe so are we all. Posted by: juliania | Feb 18 2021 18:44 utc | 141 The demise of education within the Outlaw US Empire is reviewed by Philip Giraldi. As one who went to college to obtain a teaching credential at the end of the last century, I’m appalled at what’s taking place and agree with most of Giraldi’s criticism. The failing educational philosophy and associated system along with the continuing debilitation of its infrastructure is rendering the Outlaw US Empire less competitive daily. The ideological indoctrination now occurring differs little from what the USSR, Cuba and China were all accused of during the Cold War, although those nations continued to graduate highly competent scientists and engineers–and it must be admitted that class leveling is vastly different from the historical distortions of the USA’s public school system that was caused by racial and nationalist ideology AND class. [Sorry, that last bit was also a quote from Putin’s earlier remarks.] Posted by: juliania | Feb 18 2021 18:46 utc | 143 Posted by: thomas | Feb 18 2021 17:57 utc | 140 Posted by: Paco | Feb 18 2021 18:48 utc | 144 The Evolution of Alexey Navalny’s Nationalism Posted by: Mao | Feb 18 2021 19:09 utc | 145 @karlof1 #12 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2021 19:10 utc | 146 @Jason #93 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2021 19:15 utc | 147 @robie #123 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2021 19:19 utc | 148 @ Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2021 19:10 utc | 148 “Interpreting US ‘democracy, human rights and freedom’: Global Times editorial.” I just now read some of what the self-ousted Texas mayor said to his citizens, and while appalled I’m not at all surprised: Posted by: Mao | Feb 18 2021 19:09 utc | 147 Posted by: Paco | Feb 18 2021 19:22 utc | 151 @ Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2021 19:15 utc | 149 EHCR Ruling on Navalny. Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 18 2021 19:22 utc | 153 @146 Posted by: thomas | Feb 18 2021 19:23 utc | 154 @ 138 norweigan… i said i didn’t think natural gas was all that clean…. that statement led to an interrogation on your part.. i answered your question, but for some strange reason you wanted to suggest i am virtue signaling… not sure what you want at this point…. i am thru with the interrogation and not interested in your bullshit attitude when i give you the answer you asked… remember, i didn’t say much for you to base any of your projections onto me with… i think electric is cleaner then nat gas… am i virtue signalling by saying this?? i frankly think you are a bit fucked in the head, but – you’re correct – no need to name call or continue this stupid conversation further.. if you want to pontificate on your inside knowledge – go for it.. cheers james Posted by: james | Feb 18 2021 19:23 utc | 155 Re:Dogon Priest | Feb 18 2021 13:53 utc | 112 et al Posted by: tucenz | Feb 18 2021 19:26 utc | 156 @Bemildred #103 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2021 19:28 utc | 157 james and Norwegian, Posted by: willie | Feb 18 2021 19:28 utc | 158 @vk #151 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2021 19:34 utc | 159 @james | Feb 18 2021 19:23 utc | 157
Right, quite some consistency there. That kind of reaction is not improving the impression of your arguments. No, you didn’t answer any questions, because you didn’t define what defines something as “pollutant”, referring to mainstream assertions is not an answer. A constructive answer would be to explain why something is “pollution”. And yes, this is rather to resolving the climate “debate”. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 19:36 utc | 160 it’s your conversation norwegian… i hope you have a good one! your post is a fine example of ”virtue signaling”.. Posted by: james | Feb 18 2021 19:45 utc | 161 “Macron got some criticism for talking english to Harris,in stead of french and both sides translating.” Posted by: tucenz | Feb 18 2021 19:52 utc | 162 Natural gas is less polluting than petroleum because it is a gas and petroleum is at bottom a slurry of pollutants, including lots of chemicals of all sorts, sulfur, metals, you name it. The “less CO2” part is much less important. Refining takes a lot of the “bad” stuff out, but it doesn’t all just disappear, and what remains is still carcinogenic and poison. Natural gas starts out with a lot less crap in it. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2021 19:52 utc | 164 Posted by: thomas | Feb 18 2021 19:23 utc | 156 Posted by: Paco | Feb 18 2021 19:56 utc | 165 Re:Posted by: tucenz | Feb 18 2021 19:52 utc | 164 Posted by: tucenz | Feb 18 2021 19:57 utc | 166 Glad to hear your assessment, Grieved @ 52, and I would not be too critical of unready power facilities down your way — it really was a humdinger of a storm, and wouldn’t have been expected by most folk to cause such problems. Posted by: juliania | Feb 18 2021 20:16 utc | 167 “Suite to; Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 17:59 utc | 141 Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 18 2021 20:45 utc | 168 Paco @167– thomas the “Tool”! Posted by: doesitmakeanydif? | Feb 18 2021 21:33 utc | 170 @Bemildred | Feb 18 2021 19:52 utc | 166
Agreed, but ideology in this country and elsewhere has its focus 100% on CO2. And that is a 100% failure. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2021 21:35 utc | 171 thomas #140 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2021 22:00 utc | 172 Norwegian #173 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2021 22:07 utc | 173 James @ 129: Posted by: Jen | Feb 18 2021 22:17 utc | 174 The ECHR also made recent decisions directed against Russia regarding alleged “ethnic cleansing” in Georgia 2008, and alleged “illegal annexation” in Crimea 2014. Posted by: jayc | Feb 18 2021 22:20 utc | 175 vk #154
Or colder. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2021 22:24 utc | 176 c1ue@148 wrote “Far more likely, the problem is that focus in Texas in the past few years has been on windmills. Texas has installed enormous amounts of windmills and added all manner of extra grid reach to accommodate these devices – it seems 100% clear now that normal maintenance was neglected in favor of this buildout.” It is not honest business practice nor good government management to finance new capital investments from the regular operating budget. Nor is it required by anyone that new windmills not include winterization for the inevitable variations in weather. Climate is fifty year averages and only a fool would actually believe that a climate model is predicting specific variations within even a decade. The reason for the private and deregulated Texas power system to neglect maintenance and providing for emergencies is…right wing ideology, which says the state should let private interests take priority for the public. Not being connected to the national power grid to provide for back up was also prompted by the desire to avoid regulation, which businessmen always perceive as a personal cost, not a public duty. Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 18 2021 22:28 utc | 177 @ Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2021 22:24 utc | 178 How easy to distort complex rulings and avoid mentioning the mother of all matters. From the ruling on Georgia vs Russia: Posted by: Paco | Feb 18 2021 23:02 utc | 179 Paco @181– @ 176 jen… thanks.. you are right.. i am operating from this place of where i live and didn’t realize electricity can be generated with coal…of course it isn’t here in b.c. i wasn’t aware of that or thinking of that.. however, i don’t like someone being unfriendly with me when i am upfront and forthright with them… that definitely factored into my response, or my interpretation of there words directed at me… so there is that… thanks for your post and broader perspective here… Posted by: james | Feb 18 2021 23:56 utc | 181 “Agreed, but ideology in this country and elsewhere has its focus 100% on CO2. And that is a 100% failure. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 19 2021 0:00 utc | 182 @vk #180:
Posted by: S | Feb 19 2021 0:05 utc | 183 S @185– @ Posted by: S | Feb 19 2021 0:05 utc | 185
Ex Yugo was balkanized.
Libya was turned into a shithole
With Fatou Bensouda replaced by an englander at ICC, may be Xi would get a summon from the Hague very soon.
https://archive.commondreams.org/view/022500-104.htm Posted by: denk | Feb 19 2021 4:03 utc | 186 Vk #180 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2021 4:40 utc | 187 Younger Dryas that is. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2021 5:02 utc | 188 @uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2021 22:07 utc | 175 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2021 6:34 utc | 189 @Jen | Feb 18 2021 22:17 utc | 176 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2021 6:36 utc | 190 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 18 2021 23:49 utc | 182 Posted by: Paco | Feb 19 2021 6:56 utc | 191 @uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2021 22:24 utc | 178
Thank you for linking to Antonio Zamora! His information is ground breaking and should be mandatory study for everyone, because it changes US and world history in a radical way and at the same time it provides a much more realistic understanding of what the major effects on climate are (it is not CO2). Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2021 7:04 utc | 192 @uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2021 22:24 utc | 178 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2021 7:10 utc | 193 Norwegian above. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2021 7:36 utc | 194 RE; “Global warming”. Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 19 2021 9:36 utc | 195 Norwegian #191 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2021 9:41 utc | 196
Austrian political sting mastermind seeks asylum in Germany Posted by: Mao | Feb 19 2021 10:23 utc | 197 Daily Caller @DailyCaller Posted by: Mao | Feb 19 2021 11:21 utc | 198 Mark Dice @MarkDice Posted by: Mao | Feb 19 2021 11:31 utc | 199 Steven Cheung @CaliforniaPanda Posted by: Mao | Feb 19 2021 11:34 utc | 200 |
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