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February 03, 2021

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Exciting day in Moscow, Naleksey Analny to face another court case, this time for insulting a Patriotic War veteran, RIA has an article congratulating France and UK for their diplomats support of the veteran by assisting to court, truly ironic mood in Moscow today.

Add to this the presence of Borrell, the EU Foreign Minister of sorts, Putin won't receive him, and Lavrov's ministry has said that if he wants to see Navalny he better asks the judge for permission which likely won't be granted since convicts interviews are for relatives or legal aid exclusively. The atmosphere is really charged, expectations for the ongoing saga are very high.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 8:57 utc | 201

Very briefly from the closing words of Lavrov:

The European Union is an unreliable partner.

That says it all since the pathetic Borrell put all his eggs in the Navalny basket.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 10:49 utc | 202

re chu teh #196

Yeah I know. As bad as the orangeutan was, AFAIK, he didn't enable the destruction of our home, aka planet earth, merely because some greedy arseholes instructed him that doing so was essential if he expected the next quarter's bribes.

One day the truth about the destruction wrought upon all warm-blooded life forms on our planet, which DuPont Corps' focus on "just the next quarter, the bottom line is that is all that matters" attitude, has enabled, will be unavoidable.

As the proliferation of centres for the amelioration of PFOA carcinogens becomes the quick & easy determinant of whether a nation state is "successful" I.E. can really take care of its citizens, is obvious, it will become clear to populations which nations value their humans.

That saddens me because even though I can get really angry and pee'd off about the nasty shit amerika has inflicted on all the rest of us, I also have to acknowledge the really great times I have spent talking shit & bein' foolish with normal ( even if thru no fault of their own, cos they have been 100% indoctrinated) 'average', & 'normal' amerikans.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 5 2021 11:18 utc | 203

Just to note that Biden’s speech at State Department was bellicose, bellicose even beyond American standards. And delivered by a very old and feeble man.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 5 2021 11:25 utc | 204

Merck, ivermectin producer, affirms the drug doesn't work against COVID-19:

Merck warns against using anti-parasite drug to treat COVID-19

The company said its analysis of existing and emerging studies of ivermectin to treat COVID-19 found no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against the respiratory disease caused by the novel coronavirus. (bit.ly/2Mz1NOW)

Merck added that there was a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies testing ivermectin to treat COVID-19 and cautioned against the use of the drug beyond its use as an anti-parasitic.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 11:27 utc | 205

vk | Feb 5 2021 11:27 utc | 204

Merck says: yada, yada, yada. I feel better now. Pass the Vioxx!

Posted by: EoinW | Feb 5 2021 13:02 utc | 206

Covid response in Iceland
Most transparent website by far
https://www.covid.is/data
https://www.covid.is/vaccine-agreements

ZERO dead among the 0-29, 40-59, among the ca 3700 cases.
25 dead among the 70+, among ca 330 cases.

Posted by: Mina | Feb 5 2021 13:07 utc | 207

@ Posted by: EoinW | Feb 5 2021 13:02 utc | 205

Merck produces and sells the drug. It would have profited greatly if it had piled on the hype.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 13:38 utc | 208

Ivermectin price in India, if you pay for it at retail, is about $0.16 per dose. The big money.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Feb 5 2021 14:04 utc | 209

@ Posted by: Oldhippie | Feb 5 2021 14:04 utc | 208

Price per unit doesn't affect the profit rate. Water and electricity are as profitable - if not more profitable - than durable goods even though their price per unit being much lower.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 14:17 utc | 210

Re: Merck, ivermectin producer, alleges ivermectin doesn't work against COVID-19:

Merck warns against using anti-parasite drug to treat COVID-19

-vk | Feb 5 2021 11:27 utc | 204

Heaven forbid the marketing division at Merck would EVER badmouth a cheap effective off-patent drug (named after Merck's then head of drug development [Leslie Iversen] by the way, and which went generic decades ago) ...is a direct competitive threat to two of their shiny new CV antiviral/immune modulator protein candidates they just developed/bought for mucho moolah:

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-discontinues-development-of-sars-cov-2-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-continues-development-of-two-investigational-therapeutic-candidates/

One of them, Molnupiravir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molnupiravir , even works in covid-infected *weasles* in early trials (caveat: may produce birth defects).

Maybe you should look into it also?

Posted by: gm | Feb 5 2021 14:32 utc | 211

Price per unit doesn't affect the profit rate. Water and electricity are as profitable - if not more profitable - than durable goods even though their price per unit being much lower.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 14:17 utc | 209

An incredibly stupid statement

Vk's problem is that, since he knows absolutely everything and is therefore infallible, once he adopts a position ( no matter how unwise, illinformed or just plain wrong it may appear to lesser mortals, those of us incapbale of survival on vks elevated plain of existance) no amount of evidence to the contrary will persuade him otherwise.

This causes him to not only continue the argument long after he's lost it, but to do so using incredibly stupid "logic" and arguments such as the quoted text above

Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 14:51 utc | 212

debsisdead@195 agrees with capitalists that the Soviet planned economy failed to create an advanced industrial base, much less meet the needs of the people. It is unclear whether debsisdead thinks the planned economy radically increased inequality instead of leveling society. Either way, the implication is that the population as a whole rose up against Communism, directly or indirectly, supported the dissolution of the USSR, enthusiastically embraced the mass privatization of public property in the means of production. And that they were rewarded for their bravery and class consciousness by a massive improvement in their lives.

This strikes me more as propaganda than history. Even if you fictionalize some unfortunate detour via Yeltsin to the glory days of Putin, Putin I think only looks good by comparison to Yeltsin...if you use think of economic success for a country being how well it meets the needs of all the people, not just the billionaires.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 5 2021 14:58 utc | 213

@ Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 14:51 utc | 211

Profit is surplus value accounted against total capital invested. It's irrelevant which is the price of the resulting commodity-capital produced.

The other factor that influences profitability is the speed of rotation: the faster a capital rotates, the more profitable it is.

Otherwise capitalism would never produce cheap stuff. Ok, you could argue natural monopolies could extract profits through rent. But that doesn't explain the cheap and non-essential products capitalism is known for (candies, cheap clothing, fast food, cheap toys, cheap entertainment etc. etc.). Capitalism would be a giant fine arts/luxury market if price per unit mattered to its profitability.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 15:07 utc | 214

@ Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 5 2021 3:05 utc | 195

"State capitalism" is a classic example of liberal cherry picking and intellectual dishonesty. It shows they're not stupid - they only pretend to be stupid, when it is politically expedient to them.

The term was coined by Lenin (in 1917), who, in a desperate situation, recycled the term in order to give the NEP some legitimization to the masses. Either way, the NEP failed and Stalin implemented collectivization in a couple of years.

The term gained popularity among the Trotskyists for obvious reasons, but was also quickly absorbed by Western center-left/new left elements either to give up any prospects of revolution or to justify some dubious political choices (alliances with the bourgeoisie, etc. etc.). It really became a "for all seasons"/umbrella term - distant even from Lenin's original formulation.

The Chinese never suffered from such drama. Mao always had clear in mind (even before 1949) that socialism in China would include free enterprise. The Chinese communists always adopted the scientific version of socialism (Mao read Marx when he was 27), even though they recognized the spiritual leadership of the USSR and the importance of Marxism-Leninism was the tool to be used for political organization.

The "State capitalism vs Socialism" conundrum is the main difference between Western and Eastern Marxism. Eastern Marxism is correct in this one.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 15:21 utc | 215

This is the sort of classic apples/oranges argument an idiot would contine to flog to death long after the poor horse has expired

You're talking "capitalism" in general, whereas others here are referring to one single company and one single product.

The bulk of the capital outlay to bring that product to market was in its reasearch and development phase, which has long since passed. After that point the producer's next concern is passing it's next milestone : the break even point.

After that has passed raising or lowering the cost per unit to the purchaser would vastly increase or decrease the bankable profit made over the lifetime of that one single product.

Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 15:28 utc | 216

vk@214 glosses over the question of why NEP failed. I say that Dengism is premised on the belief that Stalin was wrong, that Bukharin was right. The only problem there is, this requires the premise that Stalin was responsible for Hitler's attack on the USSR! I believe this is an insane proposition and that Hitler would have crushed a Bukharinite Russia, even if it was still formally called the USSR.

Even worse, the objection to Mao is that his version of socialism may have talked about collaboration with the national bourgeoisie and the "farmers" and so on and so forth, but that his actual policies were collectivization, anti-Rightist campaigns and the Cultural Revolution. The most notable departure from Soviet-style central planning was the Great Leap Forward...which is *not* generally deemed a success. What is the expression, Mao was 70% good, 30% bad? The bad things were Mao's approach to class collaboration with the capitalists. Don't cite Mao as the author of today's policies, when today's policies were engineered by resolute enemies of Mao. Decades after Mao's death, his works are suppressed.

There is no sound reason for thinking that billionaires can keep growing in power and provinces can grow more and more unequal without tearing the Chinese state apart. There is no sound reason for thinking the socialist aspects of the Chinese state will keep reducing to anti-trust and technocratic money management to produce socialism, when anti-trust and technocratic money management (like the Fed) haven't even stabilized capitalism, much less brought socialist fraternity to the USA. There is no sound reason for thinking that fighting over the South China Sea or some godforsaken mountain valleys in the Himalaya will free humanity from imperialism. There are sound reasons for thinking the modes and tempo and struggle against socialism by the imperialist powers have given Chinese NEP a longer period of time to play out. But at this point there is very little, if any reason, to see that there is an endgame for Chinese socialism to win, neither against the domestic bourgeoisie nor against the diaspora bourgeoisie nor against the imperialists. Indeed, Dengist china is far more apt to invade Vietnam or besiege the people of socialist Korea than to even resist imperialism. In South Africa or Nepal, they advocate against socialism, forgetting their own harsh lessons in collaboration with capitalists taught by Chiang Kai-shek in Shanghai 1927.

One last note on "Western" Marxism...in my best judgment this is just anti-Communist versions of socialism, with a bigger vocabulary than the Freikorps that killed Liebknecht and Luxemburg. There is very little of permanent interest in the works of Western Marxists because their commitment to anti-Communism, which they feel is merely anti-Stalinism

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 5 2021 16:36 utc | 217

Debsisdead @202:

"...That saddens me because even though I can get really angry and pee'd off about the nasty shit amerika has inflicted on all the rest of us, I also have to acknowledge the really great times I have spent talking shit & bein' foolish with normal ( even if thru no fault of their own, cos they have been 100% indoctrinated) 'average', & 'normal' amerikans."

Thanks for this first read of my morning, Debsisdead. It says in a nutshell what the wisdoms of China and Russia in holding back from aggressive behaviour is all about. I was thinking this morning that the US is blessed in that it has hosted both Solzhenitsyn and the Dalai Lama, for periods long enough for both those charismatic persons to enjoy American hospitality without the taint of military maga. Putin has been here also, and has good memories of being well treated in earlier days. They most certainly saw our faults close up, as did my wonderful Chinese son-in-law, but they know and remember the people here. Those are the contacts which save us from being misunderstood, the ones which drew me in as my American family held me here. There are good people in this land, and they have eyes wide open, only like those overseas watching, they are so far powerless to bring change as quickly as they would wish. Heaven is my witness, we have tried. And will keep on trying. We tried with Obama, and again and again thereafter battling a corrupted voting system. All we could manage was Trump to at least halt the duopoly's extreme carnage. It was still bad, but it was better than it could have been. And now perhaps the spear is blunted, and I say yay for that. Good on us, Americans. Don't give up.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 5 2021 16:37 utc | 218

The fact that vk references unironically a Merck comment about a potential competing therapeutic that would not be subject to a generic price is about all you need to know.

Trident is correct by continuously pointing out vk's consistent appeals to authority as quite suspect. This makes sense. Every internationalist the world over fantasizes about centralized control via technocratic elites utterly removed from the huddling masses.

As vk has said himself: don't shoot the messenger.

With China barring the entry of competing world views outside of the CCP, perhaps American nationalists should do the same once we have retaken control of our minds. I believe this is a foregone conclusion which will no doubt happen under a resurgent nationalism.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 5 2021 17:34 utc | 219

Paco @200-202--

Thanks for the early updates as the MFA has yet to post a transcript of the post-meeting presser. Seems a bit of progress was made over Cuba's sanctions and terrorism inclusion, but little else is being divulged. TASS's reports say little. I wonder if Borrell watched the film Lavrov provided.

Merkel seems to have been given a shot of testosterone:

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel has strongly rejected US threats to impose extraterritorial sanctions against Nord Stream 2 pipeline. At the same time, the chancellor assured that the rift between Germany and the US is 'not as deep' as it seems and vowed to 'find a solution' to the existing disagreements."

Or perhaps now that her reign is almost over she now feels capable of speaking up to atone for her earlier cowardice.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2021 17:46 utc | 220

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2021 17:46 utc | 220

I ended up feeling a bit sorry for Borrell, he is a local politician from the PSOE party, Lavrov did not show any pity at all, he truly demolished him with words and countenance. But the EU representative deserved it, from the very beginning, before the closed section and press conference he brought up the Navalny story, obviously he did not have better arguments to justify the gross interference in the affairs of a country that will not bend to dictates, and obviously has means to do it and assert its sovereignty.

Cuba came up, just as Catalonia did, considering that Borrel is a Spanish diplomat. The video was mentioned, Lavrov pointed out that the OMON or Russian riot police, did not use gas to contain the protest, to the contrary some of their members were attacked with it, and he insisted in the moderation employed compared with their westerns peers.

But a lot of things were happening at the same time, Navalny was again in court, this time accused of defamation, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, 94 years old, was accused by the incontinent Navalny of being a traitor. The MFA announced with satisfaction that British and French diplomats, representing old allies were at the court to defend the veteran, a truly ironic and harsh announcement. Then, during lunch, the expulsion of three diplomats was announced, Sweden, Poland, Germany, for not complying with their diplomatic status and assisting to illegal protests.

It was a true struggle today, the Russian side was well prepared. Navalny is showing tiredness and realizes that he went too far, even insulting the relatives of the insulted veteran, the judgement has been adjourned.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 18:16 utc | 221

@Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 5 2021 17:34 utc | 219

Even if we abstract from the fact that you're all very stupid, and that using a vermifuge to fight a virus is nonsense, you have to face the fact that, in the political (humanities) front, Merck had just pulled out of the vaccine race (therefore, absorbed huge loss or taxpayers' loss).

In such a scenario, feeding the ivermectin hype would only be a plus for Merck - it would have everything to win and nothing to lose by overselling ivermectin, as the drug is only a placebo (you won't die by taking it, as it is just a harmless vermifuge). Even if it has an antiviral in the oven for COVID-19, you would still have to consider the objective fact that it would be better for Merck to announce ivermectin is ineffective later, when the new (and more profitable) drug was ready.

The only reasonable conclusion to take here is Merck is being forced by the government of its HQ to debunk the myth now, if it wants to continue to receive bailouts and taxpayer money for R&D for the future. It denounced the farce now so it could preserve the image of the corporation for long term profits (and bail outs).

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 18:20 utc | 222

One more detail of interest for us Europe denizens, Borrell lavishly praised SputnikV and no wonder, the vaccination campaign is a disaster here, so he was hinting at collaboration on that field, hopefully something will come out of that since all the other vaccines do not inspire any trust in me, and this is going on for too long, I'd love -like many I guess- to travel, if Cuba or Russia would come up with a “have a jab” kind of tour I'd go for it. Maybe someone will come up with the idea, better than a Caribbean cruise, to end up like the infected British Cruise Ship, rejected by all and nicely taken care of by Cuba. Short memory, that is the malady of our times.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 18:29 utc | 223

Maria Zakharova's latest briefing is far more incendiary than Lavrov's comments after his meeting with Borrell, and are further parsed here:

"We have noted the recent comments made by the so-called collective West, with the United States playing the role of the lead singer and conductor of the ‘choir.’ The heads of state and foreign ministers of NATO and EU countries have also made statements on the socio-political situation in Russia.

"This is a coordinated information campaign. Its goal is a global attempt to contain Russia and interfere in its internal affairs. This is nothing new though. Russia is far from being the only country targeted by its Western partners. They are just worried about anyone who might be able to compete with them, in one way or another. They are unable to accept rivalry normally, in a healthy legal context. For our Western partners, it is a pain in the neck because it runs contrary to their doctrinal principle of their exclusiveness – they alone can tell everyone what to do and how democracy should work. We are well aware of this; we have been there many times already. They are just having another bout.

"As I have mentioned, the United States plays a leading role. We will have a separate talk with them. The UK, Germany, and France have also picked up the tune, replicating the string of groundless accusations against us, and distorting facts when describing events happening in Russia. Let me underscore that we are talking about interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state here. This is how we interpret these statements. One gets the impression that the Western officialdom is refusing to see what has been happening in recent days and months in the EU or the US. They are deliberately diverting the international community’s attention from the situation in their own countries, focusing on their version of developments in Russia instead." [My Emphasis]

Ho-hum, Maria says. 100+ years of ongoing distortions about Russia from the West. How droll! Then she comes out swinging against the "Choir Master" and its assault on its citizens's legitimate right to support the candidate they voted for calling several hundred of them domestic terrorists for doing acts not differing much from those who are paid to support Navalny:

"Their protest will not just go away. You cannot just sweep discontent under the rug. Even the rhetoric that the United States allows itself to use with respect to Russia will not help distract public attention from the country’s own problems. They will have to be dealt with. US citizens deserve to be treated according to the law and in line with Washington’s international obligations. In this context, we have every reason to express concern and demand that basic human rights be observed. US officials are constantly and hypocritically taking care of these rights when it comes to other countries; and yet, they have no scruples in ignoring them at home. Why don’t you deal with your own problems? There are plenty of them and they need to be solved." [My Emphasis]

The problem of course is her words and those of other high ranking Russian officials don't even fall on deaf ears as they're completely ignored--for what the other side says doesn't matter when you're a Unilateralist Outlaw Empire that violates the basic tenets of International law on a daily basis, a trait that will not be modified by BidenCo.

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Hopefully we'll soon read of a proposal from the Eurasian Bloc for the formation of a special trading currency for its use along with a clearing system that bypasses the dollar and Swift that will be negotiated and possibly adopted without much external disruption. Action like this is the only form of pushback the Empire fears as unlike 1919 and 1944, nations are now quite willing to stand up for themselves after having been subjugated to an unfair international monetary system that's robbed them all and cost millions of lives (See Hudson's Oxford Talk) because no nation was willing to stand up to the Bully because there was no solidarity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2021 18:37 utc | 224

@ Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 18:29 utc | 223

Borrell looks to me like a rare specimen of European supremacist: he lives and dies for the European Union. Everything else for him is just a means to this end.

So, when the USA showed the EU the middle finger on the vaccines, he unashamedly went begging, like a cheap prostitute, to Russia for the Sputnik V. Because let's be real: everybody knows the world will be vaccinated with either the Russian or the Chinese vaccines, and that the Sputnik V is the best overall vaccine - everything that happened before was just kabuki with the aim of securing the minimum market share for the Western Big Pharma.

Now that the Western pharmaceuticals have already emptied their stocks and orders, China and Russia are allowed by the Americans to get whatever is left of the COVID-19 vaccine market. For example, this came out to the NYT today:

The China and Russia Vaccines Work. Why Don’t We Use Them? They can help fill shortages everywhere.

Except that they won't "fill shortages" - they will be the main vaccines worldwide. It is the mRNA + AstraZeneca (+ J&J or whatever else comes out of the West) that are filling the gaps (due to their absurdly expensive logistics and low productive capacity). When this shitshow ends, more than 9 out of 10 people in the world will have been inoculated with either a Russian or a Chinese version of the vaccine.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 18:44 utc | 225

karlof1@224. thank you for this, if you have more info on this morning's meeting of the russian sc please post it. thank you in advance.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Feb 5 2021 18:46 utc | 226

" . . . you're all very stupid "

Back off with the intended insults , please .
You diminsh any value in your own argument by resorting to such condescension .

Posted by: Fíréan | Feb 5 2021 18:47 utc | 227


The only reasonable conclusion to take here is Merck is being forced by the government of its HQ to debunk the myth now, if it wants to continue to receive bailouts and taxpayer money for R&D for the future. It denounced the farce now so it could preserve the image of the corporation for long term profits (and bail outs).

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 18:20 utc | 222

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More stupid "logic" and stupid arguments from the resident knowitall who knowsfuckall, in order to continue to flog a dead horse argument he lost quite a while ago

Merck & Co. Inc.'s operating profit margin ratio improved from 2017 to 2018 and from 2018 to 2019.
...
Merck & Co. Inc., profitability ratios.
.....Date.......ROE.... ROA
Dec 31, 2016 9.78% 4.11%
Dec 31, 2017 6.97% 2.72%
Dec 31, 2018 23.30% 7.53%
Dec 31, 2019 37.99% 11.66%

Merck doesn't have any need for a bailout nor is it at all likely they might need one in the near future.

Its a pharmaceutical company, not a financial institution or a retail outlet. Its doing just fine in the current climate and given the current health panic is extremely likely to continue to do so.

The far more obvious conclusion is that Merck made that statement simply to protect its own ass legally should there be any attempt at a lawsuit were anyone anywhere to claim to have experienced any adverse health effect after taking invermectin.

Since Merck obviously haven't tested the drug for effect on CoVid it makes a lot of sense to release a statement like that. People who want to try it will do so anyway. Either way Merck's ass is covered legally should anyone try any legal shenanigans after the fact.

But hey, if you're vk why not just make up sone nonsensical shit about bailouts in order to try distract from your bullshit? Its not like its the first time everyone here has seen him do that. He literally does it every single time he's he loses an argument.

Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 18:54 utc | 228

Paco @221 &223--

Thanks for the additional descriptions!! We'd both like to get jabbed with some Sputnik-5, but that seems as reachable as the moon.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2021 18:56 utc | 229

The hint re Merck's intentions in releasing that statement is right there in your own quote from that press release

    Merck added that there was a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies testing ivermectin to treat COVID-19 and cautioned against the use of the drug beyond its use as an anti-parasitic.

    Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 11:27 utc | 205

One can only presume your preferred process is to run off to Google, grab the first thing you think supports whatever astoundingly illinformed and borderline retarded stance you have just taken, and then post it here without either reading or takeing time to understand its meaning

Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 19:13 utc | 230

emersonreturn @226--

Unfortunately, notes on the Russian Security Council meetings are hard to get. Today's topic:

"Today we will talk about the efficiency of state policy in the sphere of international humanitarian cooperation and interaction with compatriots abroad."

And that info was posted six hours ago.

The resumption of the Yukos trial seems rather important as it's a clear incidence of Lawfare being waged at Russia:

"Late last year, Russia’s top court said that Moscow should refuse to pay damages to the oligarchs, even if the appeal in The Hague goes against it. A ruling from the Constitutional Court in Moscow states that, while the government of the day began the process of signing up to the pact in 1994, they did not have the authority to make national laws inferior to international agreements, or to 'challenge the competence' of Russian courts. Therefore, the jurists conclude, adhering to the Dutch court’s demands would be 'unconstitutional.'"

The above sounds rather clear to me--Russia won't--nor should it--pay a kopek.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2021 19:15 utc | 231

Nonsense, vk.

Let's say a cheap, generic therapeutic did work for covid. Can you imagine the kind of backlash this would engender towards Big Pharma, which Merck is very much a part, when a cheap solution to covid was there all along and yet we were being sheparded down an avenue of fear, experimental vaccines, and government collusion?

Do you suppose that acknowledging a cheap therapeutic as effective could potentially cost billions to Merck in the long run where it would be discovered that Merck and co. would prolong our suffering by dismissing such a potential fix.

A cheap therapeutic for a problem which has wrecked untold harm upon labor, our economy, and spirit is a non-option for the continual extraction business of Big Phar-Gov where they would have to admit that despite the lab coats and high-production values, maybe they weren't needed after all.

What profit hath them, vk? They are marketters just as much as scientists. And like they, they can not stand to lose their authority.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 5 2021 19:15 utc | 232

*And like you, they can not stand to lose their authority. Lest the whole house of cards come tumbling down.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 5 2021 19:16 utc | 233

The trouble is that Borell started off by talking about Navalny. The US "regime change" agenda before the affairs of the EU. Who does he work for? I'm not really surprised that Lavorov was a bit dry. The Russians must have been expecting a "RegiChange" attempt for some time. It is a standard plot. There will be no chance that they will allow this to grow into a general movement.

The Diplomats who are to be expelled ; The UK Embassy put up details on Twitter/facebook of where and when the manifestations were to be held (where they had organised them). So those two from Poland and Sweden can be understood as being part of the organising team and not just innocent bystanders. The German as well, all we needed was "Cookie monster" Nuland to be there.

I was wondering how the MSM in Europe would manage to find the "one article a day", to keep the agit momentum until September. (or 912 articles for 2.5 years) Borrell would have been really newsworthy only IF he had managed to see N.
("Poisoning", return, arrest, trial, Putins "Palazzo" - just to keep up the anti-P momentum, with the trolls out in force, to activate the public's mind.). The FT has one article a day, but the Palazzo part is off to a bad start since it has been roundly debunked (at least in the Alt-M)

The Cubans ARE offering jabs for tourists - right at the front of the queue. (Trouble would be you might need a jab just to get on the plane first.) Corbyn is among the 22 UK MP's who have nominated the Cuban Medical teams for the Nobble Peace Prize. Since the Covidiocy in the UK is reduced to a charade for a limited number of MP's and Starmer is a Political stutter representing the Lobby, there seems to be a "crass-" sorry, Grass-roots campaign by some MP's (both sides!) to get some relevance back.
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PS. If Invermectin is an anti-parasitic medecine, could it be used to get rid of some of those found in Hedge funds or in the Banks?

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 5 2021 19:50 utc | 234

oops
My 234 was for
Paco | Feb 5 2021 18:29 utc | 223

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 5 2021 19:55 utc | 235

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2021 19:15 utc | 231

That is one of the constitution amendments just passed, preeminence of Russian Law over any other one, Yeltsyn's constitution was redacted by Harvard boys. And that is why they are so pissed off. I saw today the add for the constitution campaign, the old veteran with all his medals appear, calling for the vote, and Navalny really insulted all who appeared in that add, but calling servile traitor a veteran that was a bit too much. Today I lost any doubt about the intentions of that sinister character, Navalny, during the court appearance he called the veteran's grandson a profiteer of his grandad's record, despicable, that insult I've heard it here in Spain too, a country that goes around giving democracy lessons but with more corpses in ditches from our civil war that any other in the world but for Cambodia.

I'd go to Russia anytime and get the jab there, as soon as they open borders and if a PCR test is sufficient to avoid the two weeks quarantine. Have a lot of friends there.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 20:14 utc | 236

Bemildred@167. I sure hope so for the Yemeni people. For us here at MoA, not sure anyone wants to listen to the screech of the Trumpie w a C. Which is a possibility if true so....Good riddance to that twat.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 5 2021 22:39 utc | 238

@Paco #223:

…if Cuba or Russia would come up with a “have a jab” kind of tour I'd go for it.

@karlof1 #229:

We'd both like to get jabbed with some Sputnik-5, but that seems as reachable as the moon.

Russian travel agency Inturist is in talks with government agencies to arrange charter flights for foreigners who want to be vaccinated with Sputnik V in Russia: “Guiding vaccine: they want to take foreigners to the Russian Federation for vaccination against COVID” (Izvestiya, Roman Kildyushkin & Anna Urmantseva, February 1, 2021 — machine translation).

Posted by: S | Feb 5 2021 23:13 utc | 239

@karlof1 #229:

Sputnik-5

The “V” in Sputnik V is not a Roman number; it stands for “vaccine.”

Posted by: S | Feb 5 2021 23:18 utc | 240

@Triden #228

Tip: this blog accepts <pre></pre> which can be used to typeset tabular data.

Posted by: S | Feb 5 2021 23:23 utc | 241

@ Fíréan | Feb 5 2021 18:47 utc | 227... ditto your comment... unfortunately we have some slow learners here on this point.. they are not able to recognize they're giving themselves the mute button, instead of the intended target....

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2021 0:16 utc | 242

S @239-40--

Thanks for the info and clarification, but wouldn't it be Спутник-В ;-)! Funny that I used 5 as I've been calling it Sputnik-V since its inception. A non-stop from Seattle to Vladivostok would be excellent!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 6 2021 0:23 utc | 243

This is the promised Mike Lindell documentary on the election.

Listen to this from 1hr 36 min onwards to get the new stuff. It details the data traffic in and out of the US on election night down to the level of IP addresses originating/targeting and their locations. This is serious evidence of a highly planned Chinese cyber attack on the US.

Be quick, this site will likely be under DoS attack.

https://www.brighteon.com/78931d4e-8d2d-4751-beb6-11bb394dc1f1

The whole program goes into detail of how the election was stolen.

Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 6 2021 0:23 utc | 244

While doing other reading happened on some background information about Merck, discussed above. Until WWII they were small potatoes and made B- vitamin products. They hooked up into the wartime project to produce penicillin, which had been known a few years but could only be made in small batches. They got a big fat grant from Office of Science and Research Development. OSRD was precursor to both National Institutes of Health and National Science Foundation. So why did OSRD fund some little vitamin outfit? The director of OSRD was Vannevar Bush. Bush was also on board of directors of Merck. As a Bush, corruption was not a crime, it was a birthright.

I am certain Merck still gets along with the Bushes. The current President, #46, is a Walker as well as a Biden. so Merck is covered in all directions.

That is how it is done. Forget technical analyses about rates of profit. Forget about percentages. Definitely forget about profits measured in pennies. These demons steal the money with both hands. Money in truckloads fresh from the Mint.
They dearly love those who distract our attention with technical analyses. What allows them to steal in broad daylight is family.

Even dear comrade Marx, that rich boy, saw that what he called the primitive accumulation was done with plunder and tribute. Plunder and rapine gets the job done. Profit gets added later. But why would anyone ever give up on the plunder? They never did. The profit end of the business is for clerks. Plunder is for fun. It pays.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 6 2021 0:42 utc | 245

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 5 2021 22:39 utc | 238

I'm just nobody out here in TV-land, but without going into it, I think we have to leave. To conserve our resources if nothing else, because the Saudis are losing.

It has dawned on the people who manage our "defense" that they are not going to win the next war, so they are planning to circle the wagons and put up a new Iran Curtain. They are also worried about the loyalty of their troops.

Kiss globalization goodbye. You are with us or against us. It looks like a purge is coming too. Show trials. That would be aimed at bringing discipline to the politicians.

They seem to feel pretty insecure, "Biden", so lots of Kabuki.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 6 2021 1:43 utc | 246

Posted by: S | Feb 5 2021 23:23 utc | 241

Thank you

Posted by: Triden | Feb 6 2021 1:45 utc | 247

@223 paco & #234 Stonebird and others

The story here says Cuba intends to use its own vaccine on its population later this year, and the story specifically mentions that Cuba will provide this vaccine for tourists.

Cuba aims to immunise its population this year with its own coronavirus vaccine

Its vaccine is in Phase 2 trials now. Phase III is scheduled for March if all goes well. It has the capacity to make "100 million doses of Soberana 2 in 2021".

And Mexico I believe has a large order for Russia's Sputnik V - there is perhaps hope for US adventurers. The question of course is whether the US would treat either of those vaccinations as acceptable.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 6 2021 2:12 utc | 248

Re: Mike Lindell 2020 election fraud 2 hr video

-JohninMK | Feb 6 2021 0:23 utc | 244

Aside from the 'infomercial' production style (what the hey, the guy used to sell pillows and bed linens on TV, until the BORG came down hard on him for resisting assimilation) and perhaps some mistaken anti-China misdirection/blameshifting , there is a lot of detailed technical information/evidence pointing to a organized massive election coup (with precursors/dress rehearsals in 2018) presented in this 2 hr long video (which both Youtube and Vimeo have been deleting).

Although Lindell is hawker/salesman (like Trump), he is more articulate and analytical, and the people he chose to bring on give good explanations of much detailed, technical material.

IT tech-savvy people should benefit most from it.

Here is another source for that vid:

https://rumble.com/vdlebn-mike-lindell-absolute-proof-exposing-election-fraud-and-the-theft-of-americ.html

Posted by: gm | Feb 6 2021 2:25 utc | 249

chu teh #196

Thank you for the reference to "the Senator from Du Pont". I just had to follow that up:

From Harpers - Hard Times By Andrew Cockburn 'Will America recover under Biden?' February 2021.

Given Biden’s ideological outlook, he may well have sincerely believed it was a good deal for Americans. This conclusion is bolstered by his choice of aides, whose connections, professed beliefs, and résumés all too often reflect an affection for government by corporation. One such figure is Michael McCabe, who served as a senior Biden staffer from 1987 to 1995. From there, McCabe transited to the EPA and then to his own consultancy, where one of his clients was the chemical giant DuPont, long dominant in Delaware. (During a 2002 Senate hearing on criminal enforcement of environmental laws, Biden joked that when he was a young senator, those introducing him “would slip and say, ‘Now I want to introduce the senator from DuPont—I mean, Delaware.’ ”) Among DuPont’s most profitable products was Teflon, which is manufactured with PFOA, a chemical compound that has been linked to multiple cancers. After its lethal toxicity came to light in the Nineties, the corporation fought long and hard to ward off penalties and efforts to ban the chemical. As The Intercept has reported, McCabe was a late addition to this campaign. At DuPont, he oversaw negotiations with the EPA on the poisonous product, helping to secure generous terms for its gradual phaseout. Today, Biden’s Environmental Justice Plan pledges to crack down on the use of deadly PFOA-type pollutants. Among the advisers appointed to Biden’s EPA transition team is none other than Michael McCabe.

The case of the DuPont apparatchik sends a depressing message regarding the new administration’s overall institutional personality, which has been further confirmed by Biden’s selection of figures such as Bruce Reed, architect of Clinton’s war on welfare; Brian Deese, austerity hawk and a senior executive at the $7 trillion investment firm BlackRock; Antony Blinken, forever warrior and enabler of Obama-era humanitarian disasters in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen; and Neera Tanden, the Clinton loyalist known for responding to progressive critics with unbridled venom. [my emphasis]

He is sometimes referred to as "the Senator from Boeing". I don't get a laugh out of that either.

And then Cockburn writes this:

Public concern regarding the radical realignment of the federal courts tends to focus on social issues such as abortion or marriage equality. But corporate power’s tightening grip on the judiciary has lethal implications for any progressive economic agenda, now or in the future. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, who opposed the 2012 tax deal, is among the few prominent officials in Washington who has raised this issue. He has assiduously tracked the intricate system by which corporate-friendly judges are vetted, selected, and promoted with dark money, while lawsuits integral to the overall agenda are steered toward the Supreme Court with the aid of coordinated supportive briefs. Expense in this endeavor has clearly been no object; the campaign to confirm Brett Kavanaugh, for example, was fueled by $22 million in anonymous donations, $17 million of which came from a single donor.

I asked Whitehouse what legal bombshells might be on their way to the Supreme Court that could hamper the incoming administration’s plans for New Deal–type initiatives. He pointed to a “super abstruse” California tax case, Americans for Prosperity Foundation v. Becerra, which could make dark money hard to track by limiting state government access to nonprofit donor information. The case has made its way out of the Ninth Circuit and is waiting to get on the Supreme Court docket. “The dark money vultures are gathering there,” he wrote me. It “will give them a dangerous opportunity. . . . Big groups in the dark money conspiracy like the Chamber [of Commerce] and Marathon Petroleum are asserting a First Amendment right to dark money,” which, he added, they need “like the cavalry needs horses.” The likely outcome is that corporate political finance, unconstrained by public scrutiny, will be free to repel irksome interference from executive agencies such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, whose supposedly independent director was fired by Trump after the Supreme Court granted him the power to do so. “I’d say ‘change’ is the loser,” concluded Freeman, the Harvard Law professor. “The winner is corporate America.”[my emphasis]

Worth a read brother barflies.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 2:34 utc | 250

Just a quick question for the other barflies, what do people think of what's going on in the US, Big tech is launching a massive purge of conservative, Anti-war & independent media sources and the Democrats are in a dont seem to have any plan for governing aside from print more money. supposedly they had plans for a 1.9 trillion stimulus package, but they've carefully avoided the word infrastructure, so I assume this will mostly be tax waivers, government backed loans and grant monies to large institutions rather than hard construction, but does anyone have a more concrete idea of their plans for the first year or so.

It looks to me that the Biden/Harris regime is going to spend its first year driving the US from a rightwing ditch into a leftwing ditch and then drive down the center lane into oncoming traffic. All of the domestic economic problems within the US look certain to get worse.

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 6 2021 2:42 utc | 251

Kadath #251

It looks to me that the Biden/Harris regime is going to spend its first year driving the US from a rightwing ditch into a leftwing ditch and then drive down the center lane into oncoming traffic. All of the domestic economic problems within the US look certain to get worse.

Not a leftwing ditch. That is not what the dimratss do. They HATE the left so perhaps we can ditch that notion. Any sane leftist would never embrace one sniff of the dimratss output. The dimratss and their mouthpieces are trying to propagandize all of us about left and right so that we adopt their language meaning.

Forget the dimratss they are inseparable from the repugnants. They are one and the same - rightists and handmaidens to the oligarchs.

The left would call for immediate Medicare for All, immediate cancellation of student debt, end to foreighn assignment of troops, immediate redistribution of the accumulated wealth of the 0.01% to the rest of the nation to achieve that end.

The dimratss are the servants of that 0.01% and would NEVER dream of redistributing their wealth. That is what they are paid to do. They are also paid to destroy anyone espousing a true left position and to maintain the confused blather about left/right.

The USA can easily escape the deadly dimratss game but it will likely require some revolutionary thought and action. That will be hard to achieve as Trump has just led all his team into a trap and they are being rounded up for prosecution and then disarmament as we speak. Expect the dimratss to play the same trap.

The USAi is in the deadly embrace of the oligarch serpent coils.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 3:32 utc | 252

karlof1@243---yes! we will join you on the charter. but could we make it seattle/st petersberg? ahh the things we have to do to stay healthy & sane. ;-) (hope this reaches you...friday evenings or evenings in general aren't the best time to reach you.)

Posted by: emersonreturn | Feb 6 2021 3:39 utc | 253

Hmm I cannot comprehend what VK is tryin' to say at vk @ # 215 - That all the USSR's nuclear power stations were run as stand alone collectives, or maybe every large collective farm in Monrovia decided individually that the best way forward was to expose all crop seeds to radioactivity, select the mutants and only plant them. Every farm collective decided this individually and it wasn't a decision which was made in Moscow as an experiment for the Soviet Union or even by the State government of Monrovia, every collective just decided of their own accord that was the way to go, is that it?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 6 2021 5:55 utc | 254

oldhippie # 245

Engels was the rich boy, Marx was never wealthy AFAIK. Engels was son of industrialists and Marx a student from minor beginnings. That is my recall so I am ok about being wrong.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 9:13 utc | 255

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 3:32 utc | 252 and 250

"The USAi is in the deadly embrace of the oligarch serpent coils."

This goes much further than appears on the surface. A link to support your idea.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2021-legislature/bill-would-allow-tech-companies-to-create-local-governments-2272887/

Oligarchs already have mercenary armies, Pentagon revolving doors, Financial control, and as you say, control over the judiciary. Are more or less untouchable by regulations and taxes. What "perogatives" of a nation state are left untouched? Not many, but then comes news that in the UK, Governments will gain new powers to ; "The Times....unnamed government sources...... claimed government ministers are expected to take more control of the NHS, in line with Britain's "biggest health reform for a decade". The shake-up stipulates that ministers will be authorised to block the closure of hospitals, put fluoride in water, and deal with obesity prevention measures, among other things.". ie Oligarchs will decide for the "scientists" what you will be forced to do next. (Fluoride, rots the brain, renders people docile and cuts down the sperm level. Just what the doctors new substitute ordered). "Follow the science" has had its' day.

In other words the totalitarian occupation of society is almost complete, there only remains "free speech" - oops, (Will I be allowed to say that it might be "compromised"? I must ask the twit overseer).

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No joke. The blending of Family control (aka Bushes etc) and revolving doors, is similar to real Feodalism where in a "Noble" landowning family,; the first born would inherit all, the second would join the "Church" and get a Bishopric and the third would join the Army and get a Command position. and so on. - The top "jobs" went down the line within a restricted (proto-oligarchic) society.

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Well, Just one "joke" ; A Lavrovian statement is one where four paragraphs are necessary to explain the obvious to an idiot - diplomatically. (Borrell,) "come in EUstan we have a problem".

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 6 2021 9:34 utc | 256

JohninMK #244

I have not watched your video as I find the whole 'China did it' to be an absolutely absurd nonsense. Later, if I see credible proof and not just some tired old 'chinese characters embedded in code', I might take a closer look. So thank you, but no thanks for now.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 9:39 utc | 257

Stonebird #256

(Fluoride, rots the brain, renders people docile and cuts down the sperm level. Just what the doctors new substitute ordered). "Follow the science" has had its' day.

I lived in the bush drinking creek and rainwater for may years so I got my fair share of that fluoride there and then moved to a city that plonked it in the drinking water. My brain doesn't tolerate rot, I am definitely not docile, and I choked off the sperm level a long time ago with a bowline knot. But I go fucking crazy at full moon and I put that down the inner cro-magnon or denisovan.

As for the englanders - I can only take Prince Charles as the model male exemplar and so I guess you are right on all three counts. Don't you love what the Israelis did to the UK? Gave you an absolute Tory majority. Now that is docility and no fluoride in the water. he he he.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 9:56 utc | 258

Ecuador: a fifteen minute primer on the eve of the election.

from grayzone

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:22 utc | 259

Brasil update: ,a href="https://www.brasilwire.com/bolsonaros-disaster/">Bolsonaro’s Neoliberal Disaster: An Interview With Esther Dweck

From brasilwire - podcast inteview in Spanish, a text in english.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:40 utc | 260

Brasil update: Bolsonaro’s Neoliberal Disaster: An Interview With Esther Dweck

From brasilwire - podcast inteview in Spanish, a text in english.

Thats better....

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:42 utc | 261

The englanders government deepens the silence, blackens the sun, smothers the sounds of government by the Tory class.

UK government running ‘Orwellian’ unit to block release of ‘sensitive’ information

Just when you get used to the secrecy of UKi political machinations...

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:48 utc | 262

uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 9:56 utc | 258

"My brain doesn't tolerate rot, I am definitely not docile, and I choked off the sperm level a long time ago with a bowline knot. But I go fucking crazy at full moon and I put that down the inner cro-magnon or denisovan"

While Prince Charles howls at the moon all the rest of the month.....
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(Tory majority)
Stammer puts on a new Savile Row suit and heads north to wow the native labour activists and ex miners in Lancashire, and then goes even further north to play a round at Trumps golf course. (well you never know, he might come back). Howling at the moon is beneath his class rank, and anyway the scots used to go to war stark naked. Covered in grease so they could not be caught, with a Targa (shield) in one hand, knife fixed to the back or held in the hand, one between the teeth and a sword in the right hand. They had another in a sheath below the knee. They are supposed to have a technique of withdrawing the balls into the body (probably just due to the cold really). The English description of them as "naked savages" was true. Film wise even Mel Gibson did not choose to truly portray Scottish warriors. I am not expecting Stammer to try to "dress like the natives to show empathy". He doesn't have any (balls that is).
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Personal note; I am not UK but southern Irish. Changed nationality back to my family roots. No guesses needed as to why.

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 6 2021 10:54 utc | 263

Haiti people demand that their constitution be respected.

On February 4, Haitian opposition party, Pitit Dessalines Political Party (PPPD), led by Moïse Jean-Charles, called for nationwide mobilizations on February 5 and 6 against US-backed President Jovenel Moïse. The PPPD urged the citizens to mobilize en masse throughout the country to pressurize Moïse to respect the 1987 Constitution and leave power this February 7.

Since January 10, thousands of Haitians have been demonstrating across the country in rejection of Moïse’s decision to hold presidential and legislative elections on September 19 this year. The opposition denounced Moïse’s decision as an attempt to extend his term of office until February 7, 2022, which according to the constitution ends on February 7, 2021.

From across Latin American and Caribbean leaders and organizations have expressed their solidarity with the struggle of Haitian people and have demanded that Moïse comply with the Constitution and leaves office when his term expires on February 7, 2021

With Haiti and Ecuador at the cusp of change the mendacious, meddlesome USAi will be itching to flex its oligarchic muscles.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:55 utc | 264

Africa is undergoing change stress from the south to the north. There are multiple reports here at peoples dispatch

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 11:00 utc | 265

The debt rattle has a few tales to tell

• New Covid Strains ‘May Even Escape The Immune Response’ – Biden Advisor (CNBC)
• Domestic Violence Is a Pandemic Within the COVID-19 Pandemic (Time)
• YouTube Censors Senate Testimony From Doctor On Possible Covid Drug (Turley)
• Biden Revokes Terrorist Designation For Yemen’s Houthis (Fox)
• Biden: Trump Should No Longer Receive Classified Intelligence Briefings (CNN)
• Trump’s Decision Not To Testify Is Not Evidence Of His Guilt (Turley)
• The Fire This Time (Kunstler)
• Sanders Says He Never Intended To Raise Minimum Wage To $15 During Pandemic (JTN)
• EU Parliament Snubs Anti-Corruption Researchers (EUO)
• Ecuador Gov’t Scrambles to Privatize the Central Bank Before Elections (MPN)
• Nevada Bill Would Allow Tech Companies To Create Governments (AP)
• The WEF’s Simulation of a Coming “Cyber Pandemic” (Webb/Vedmore)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 11:08 utc | 266

uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:55 utc | 264

Once a puppet is in power and sees that the popular vote would go against him (h.. or variants), he changes the rules to become dictator, or changes the "Laws" to eliminate the opposition candidates.

"Come in UStan we have a Trump problem".

(The US forces are still there, and Haiti is being reverted to a colony again. Sad)

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 6 2021 11:08 utc | 267

Uncle tungsten @ 255

Read Marx’s student letters to his father. Marx received an allowance greater than sons of the nobility. Seven hundred thalers in spending cash for a single term was a princely sum. Not tuition, 700 thalers for his tailor, his bar tab, tarts. Then look at his wife and her family. Poor children do not marry that way.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 6 2021 13:47 utc | 268

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 11:08 utc | 266

I see your list and I see all the characteristics of Late Stage Capitalism ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 6 2021 17:17 utc | 269

By coincidence of posting notably foolish things elsewhere, oldhippie@268 stood out.
1)Marx's student letters do not give useful data about the allowances for rich kids.
2)The phrase "tailor, bar tab, tarts" omits "rent, meals, books," which is misleading and invidious, aka "dishonest."
3)Rich kids expenditures included gambling, horses, giving parties, not just "tailor, bar tab, tarts" making this phrase doubly misleading and invidious, doubly dishonest.
4)Most of all, the notion that Jenny von Westphalen did not anger her family by *marrying down* is BS. The von Westphalen's did not welcome Marx as an appropriate son-in-law.

It is sad how often people who pose as common sense observers are merely commonplace, regurgitating cliches and mean-spirited slanders.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 6 2021 18:19 utc | 270

Again I will simply be honored by your spleen. Any interested in particulars should get busy and read.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 6 2021 19:26 utc | 271

Most countries have a critical minerals list. Australia list 21 minerals and have an abundance of most: search for - critical+minerals+projects+in+australia 2020 Sorry I cant provide the PDF link.

However Australia omitted tin from its list despite the importance of tin for a number of important applications. According to the excellent up to date book, translated from French 'The Rare Metals Wars' the world has between six to seventeen years supply of tin.

I am interested in the sudden spike in the share price of a number of tin miners. The price has been stable for some time.

I suspect the military takeover in Myanmar, one of the worlds big producers, has contributed to the spike. China takes most of Myanmar's production, probably for solder in circuit boards.

I believe sanctions will be impose on Myanmar.

Forget silver, tin is the new silver.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 6 2021 19:52 utc | 272

oldhippie on wealthy Marx.

Thank you. I stand corrected. Thank goodness he put his good fortune to one of the most helpful services to the people.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 21:32 utc | 273

US/UK/EU blame game afoot? Setting up the stage for future manufactured outrage?

1. Embrace any "wrong" vaccines from Russia or China or Cuba or similar.
2. Blame them for any and all current and future issues caused by the "right" vaccines and anything else done wrong.

If it was me I wouldn't be keen on selling any vaccines to places like the US, the UK, Israel, or through the EU.

Think OSCE, OPCW and WADA; the usual suspects can (and have already tried and failed to) use the WHO the same way. By doing the above they get to try again.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 7 2021 3:44 utc | 274

Below is a quote from a Xinhuanet posting about Senior Chinese diplomat Yang Jiechi on Saturday who held a phone conversation with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

Blinken is quoted as follows:
"
For his part, Blinken said the U.S.-China relations are very important to both countries and the world, and the U.S. side is willing to develop stable and constructive bilateral relations with China.

Blinken reiterated that the U.S. side will continue to pursue the one-China principle and abide by the three Sino-U.S. joint communiques, and this policy stance has not changed.
"

If this is true then why all the left-over/ongoing trouble making?

Also, if true, then the Russia pressure will be ugly and any potential wedge issues between China/Russia will be pursued. The pressure will really be on the EU to not cooperate with Russia as well which may hold up Nord Stream II longer.

And the shit show continues until it doesn't.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:07 utc | 275

Below is a short posting from Xinhuanet

"
MOSCOW, Feb. 6 (Xinhua) -- Wuhan's Huanan seafood market may have made it possible for the novel coronavirus to spread, but it does not mean the virus originated there, a Russian expert has said.

"There is no evidence that the virus originated there" but "hypothetically, there are all conditions for the spread of the virus there," Vladimir Dedkov, a member of the World Health Organization's (WHO) expert team, was quoted as saying by Sputnik on Thursday.

The seafood market was linked to an early cluster of COVID-19 cases, but scientists have yet to come to an unequivocal conclusion regarding the role it played in the contagion.

Dedkov also refuted the theory of a virus leakage while visiting the Wuhan Institute of Virology along with nine other WHO experts on Wednesday.

"Of course, it was important for our mission to visit this facility, talk to our colleagues and see how everything is organized there," the expert said.

"The laboratory is perfectly equipped," he said. "It is hard for me to imagine that something could have leaked from there."
"

China keeps asking for other nations to open their facilities to the WHO.......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:12 utc | 276

As a follow-on to my comment # 276 there is another short posting from Xinhuanet about China asking for more Covid origin tracing investigation

"
BEIJING, Feb. 5 (Xinhua) -- China on Friday expressed the hope that following China's example, relevant parties will act in a positive, science-based and cooperative manner on the issue of tracing the origin of the novel coronavirus, and invite World Health Organization (WHO) experts to their countries to conduct origin tracing research.

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin made the remarks at a press briefing in response to reports that quoted Chinese health experts as saying that after China, WHO experts should visit other countries for virus source tracing investigations and studies.

Virus source tracing is a complex scientific issue involving many countries and places, and should be carried out by scientists from across the world, Wang said.

"With an open and transparent attitude, China has maintained close communication and cooperation with the WHO on origin tracing," he added.

Since their quarantine ended on Jan. 28, the WHO experts, together with Chinese experts, have conducted field visits and several rounds of scientific, professional and candid exchanges on scientific issues of common concern. The Chinese government has provided strong support and assistance to this end, and the WHO and international experts have spoken highly of China's efforts.

Wang noted that this visit is part of the global science and research cooperation on origin tracing. "There are more and more reports by international media outlets that show the COVID-19 virus and epidemic had already appeared in multiple places in the world in the second half of 2019, reflecting the necessity and urgency of conducting similar field visits in other countries and regions," he said.

"We hope that following China's example, relevant parties will act in a positive, science-based and cooperative manner on the origin tracing issue, invite WHO experts in to conduct origin tracing research and make their due contributions to international cooperation in fighting the pandemic and to the building of a global community of health for all," he said
"

Any bets on the WHO being allowed to Fort Detrick or any related US facilities ?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:18 utc | 277

As a follow-on to my comment # 275 about China/US relations and the Xinhuanet quote let me provide a quote from Reuters about the same conversation which does not say the same thing.

"
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told top Chinese diplomat Yang Jiechi in a phone call on Friday the United States will stand up for human rights and democratic values in Xinjiang, Tibet and Hong Kong, the State Department said.

Blinken also pressed China to condemn the military coup in Myanmar, and he reaffirmed that Washington will work with allies to hold China accountable for efforts to threaten stability of Indo-Pacific, including across the Taiwan Strait, the department said in a statement.
"

And just because it fits I will include one of the latest jokes passing my way

A Catholic lawyer, who had a wife and 12 children, needed to rent a larger house. However, he was having a lot of difficulties finding a new place to house his family When he said, he had 12 children, no one would rent a home to him because they felt that the children would destroy the place. He couldn't say he had no children because he couldn't lie, we all know lawyers cannot and do not lie. So, he sent his wife for a walk to the cemetery with 11 of their kids. He took the remaining one with him to see rental homes with the real estate agent.
He loved one of the homes and the price was right --
The agent asked: "How many children do you have?
He answered: "Twelve."
The agent asked, "Where are the others?"
The lawyer, with his best courtroom sad look, answered, "They're in the cemetery with their mother."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:33 utc | 278

"If this is true then why all the left-over/ongoing trouble making?

Also, if true, then the Russia pressure will be ugly and any potential wedge issues between China/Russia will be pursued. The pressure will really be on the EU to not cooperate with Russia as well which may hold up Nord Stream II longer.

And the shit show continues until it doesn't."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:07 utc | 275

I think the root problem is that we have two enemies, and we can't take either one by ourselves, and any war with either one is going to do hellacious damage here, so the one we don't attack "wins", just like we did with WWII.

Big wars are just not feasible any more. Nobody wins them except the people who stay out of it.


Of course we could make nice and negotiate, but then we will have to deal with the mess at home. Tsk.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 7 2021 12:49 utc | 279

uncle tungsten @ 273

More interesting than the monetary figures is the family. Marx was a Phillips (family would be Phillips Electronics), a Pressburg, a Barent Cohen. He was only connected by marriage to the Rothschilds, but it was his first cousin and the Rothschild was Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the head of the family in those years. His family was good enough for Rothschild.

Jenny was a princess by any standard. Closely related to half the Scottish peerage. Also related to Duke of Brunswick. It was something like a royal marriage. The sob story about their poverty is a joke.

A big part of what Marx did was start a faction fight that has never ended. He never talked about persons, only about theory. Well, he talked about persons when they were opponents of his current theoretical tack. Louis Napoleon and a few others are mentioned in passing. Does he ever mention the leading capitalist of the day? No, he doesn’t mention his family.

It seems to me that we all continue the paradigm. We don’t like capitalism. Capitalists get a pass.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 7 2021 12:58 utc | 280

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