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February 3, 2021
Open Thread 2021-010
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Exciting day in Moscow, Naleksey Analny to face another court case, this time for insulting a Patriotic War veteran, RIA has an article congratulating France and UK for their diplomats support of the veteran by assisting to court, truly ironic mood in Moscow today. Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 8:57 utc | 201 Very briefly from the closing words of Lavrov: Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 10:49 utc | 202 re chu teh #196 Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 5 2021 11:18 utc | 203 Just to note that Biden’s speech at State Department was bellicose, bellicose even beyond American standards. And delivered by a very old and feeble man. Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 5 2021 11:25 utc | 204 Merck, ivermectin producer, affirms the drug doesn’t work against COVID-19:
vk | Feb 5 2021 11:27 utc | 204 Posted by: EoinW | Feb 5 2021 13:02 utc | 206 Covid response in Iceland Posted by: Mina | Feb 5 2021 13:07 utc | 207 @ Posted by: EoinW | Feb 5 2021 13:02 utc | 205 Ivermectin price in India, if you pay for it at retail, is about $0.16 per dose. The big money. Posted by: Oldhippie | Feb 5 2021 14:04 utc | 209 @ Posted by: Oldhippie | Feb 5 2021 14:04 utc | 208 Re: Merck, ivermectin producer, alleges ivermectin doesn’t work against COVID-19: Posted by: gm | Feb 5 2021 14:32 utc | 211 Price per unit doesn’t affect the profit rate. Water and electricity are as profitable – if not more profitable – than durable goods even though their price per unit being much lower. Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 14:51 utc | 212 debsisdead@195 agrees with capitalists that the Soviet planned economy failed to create an advanced industrial base, much less meet the needs of the people. It is unclear whether debsisdead thinks the planned economy radically increased inequality instead of leveling society. Either way, the implication is that the population as a whole rose up against Communism, directly or indirectly, supported the dissolution of the USSR, enthusiastically embraced the mass privatization of public property in the means of production. And that they were rewarded for their bravery and class consciousness by a massive improvement in their lives. Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 5 2021 14:58 utc | 213 @ Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 14:51 utc | 211 @ Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 5 2021 3:05 utc | 195 This is the sort of classic apples/oranges argument an idiot would contine to flog to death long after the poor horse has expired Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 15:28 utc | 216 vk@214 glosses over the question of why NEP failed. I say that Dengism is premised on the belief that Stalin was wrong, that Bukharin was right. The only problem there is, this requires the premise that Stalin was responsible for Hitler’s attack on the USSR! I believe this is an insane proposition and that Hitler would have crushed a Bukharinite Russia, even if it was still formally called the USSR. Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 5 2021 16:36 utc | 217 Debsisdead @202: Posted by: juliania | Feb 5 2021 16:37 utc | 218 The fact that vk references unironically a Merck comment about a potential competing therapeutic that would not be subject to a generic price is about all you need to know. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 5 2021 17:34 utc | 219 Paco @200-202– Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2021 17:46 utc | 220 Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 18:16 utc | 221 @Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 5 2021 17:34 utc | 219 One more detail of interest for us Europe denizens, Borrell lavishly praised SputnikV and no wonder, the vaccination campaign is a disaster here, so he was hinting at collaboration on that field, hopefully something will come out of that since all the other vaccines do not inspire any trust in me, and this is going on for too long, I’d love -like many I guess- to travel, if Cuba or Russia would come up with a “have a jab” kind of tour I’d go for it. Maybe someone will come up with the idea, better than a Caribbean cruise, to end up like the infected British Cruise Ship, rejected by all and nicely taken care of by Cuba. Short memory, that is the malady of our times. Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 18:29 utc | 223 Maria Zakharova’s latest briefing is far more incendiary than Lavrov’s comments after his meeting with Borrell, and are further parsed here: @ Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 18:29 utc | 223 karlof1@224. thank you for this, if you have more info on this morning’s meeting of the russian sc please post it. thank you in advance. Posted by: emersonreturn | Feb 5 2021 18:46 utc | 226 ” . . . you’re all very stupid ” Posted by: Fíréan | Feb 5 2021 18:47 utc | 227 The only reasonable conclusion to take here is Merck is being forced by the government of its HQ to debunk the myth now, if it wants to continue to receive bailouts and taxpayer money for R&D for the future. It denounced the farce now so it could preserve the image of the corporation for long term profits (and bail outs). Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 18:54 utc | 228 Paco @221 &223– The hint re Merck’s intentions in releasing that statement is right there in your own quote from that press release
Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2021 11:27 utc | 205 One can only presume your preferred process is to run off to Google, grab the first thing you think supports whatever astoundingly illinformed and borderline retarded stance you have just taken, and then post it here without either reading or takeing time to understand its meaning Posted by: Triden | Feb 5 2021 19:13 utc | 230 emersonreturn @226– Nonsense, vk. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 5 2021 19:15 utc | 232 *And like you, they can not stand to lose their authority. Lest the whole house of cards come tumbling down. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 5 2021 19:16 utc | 233 The trouble is that Borell started off by talking about Navalny. The US “regime change” agenda before the affairs of the EU. Who does he work for? I’m not really surprised that Lavorov was a bit dry. The Russians must have been expecting a “RegiChange” attempt for some time. It is a standard plot. There will be no chance that they will allow this to grow into a general movement. Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 5 2021 19:50 utc | 234 oops Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 5 2021 19:55 utc | 235 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2021 19:15 utc | 231 Posted by: Paco | Feb 5 2021 20:14 utc | 236 Iran is not important: Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 5 2021 21:24 utc | 237 Bemildred@167. I sure hope so for the Yemeni people. For us here at MoA, not sure anyone wants to listen to the screech of the Trumpie w a C. Which is a possibility if true so….Good riddance to that twat. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 5 2021 22:39 utc | 238 @Paco #223:
@karlof1 #229:
Russian travel agency Inturist is in talks with government agencies to arrange charter flights for foreigners who want to be vaccinated with Sputnik V in Russia: “Guiding vaccine: they want to take foreigners to the Russian Federation for vaccination against COVID” (Izvestiya, Roman Kildyushkin & Anna Urmantseva, February 1, 2021 — machine translation). Posted by: S | Feb 5 2021 23:13 utc | 239 @karlof1 #229:
The “V” in Sputnik V is not a Roman number; it stands for “vaccine.” Posted by: S | Feb 5 2021 23:18 utc | 240 @Triden #228 Posted by: S | Feb 5 2021 23:23 utc | 241 @ Fíréan | Feb 5 2021 18:47 utc | 227… ditto your comment… unfortunately we have some slow learners here on this point.. they are not able to recognize they’re giving themselves the mute button, instead of the intended target…. Posted by: james | Feb 6 2021 0:16 utc | 242 S @239-40– This is the promised Mike Lindell documentary on the election. Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 6 2021 0:23 utc | 244 While doing other reading happened on some background information about Merck, discussed above. Until WWII they were small potatoes and made B- vitamin products. They hooked up into the wartime project to produce penicillin, which had been known a few years but could only be made in small batches. They got a big fat grant from Office of Science and Research Development. OSRD was precursor to both National Institutes of Health and National Science Foundation. So why did OSRD fund some little vitamin outfit? The director of OSRD was Vannevar Bush. Bush was also on board of directors of Merck. As a Bush, corruption was not a crime, it was a birthright. Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 6 2021 0:42 utc | 245 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 5 2021 22:39 utc | 238 Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 6 2021 1:43 utc | 246 @223 paco & #234 Stonebird and others Posted by: Grieved | Feb 6 2021 2:12 utc | 248 Re: Mike Lindell 2020 election fraud 2 hr video Posted by: gm | Feb 6 2021 2:25 utc | 249 chu teh #196
He is sometimes referred to as “the Senator from Boeing”. I don’t get a laugh out of that either.
Worth a read brother barflies. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 2:34 utc | 250 Just a quick question for the other barflies, what do people think of what’s going on in the US, Big tech is launching a massive purge of conservative, Anti-war & independent media sources and the Democrats are in a dont seem to have any plan for governing aside from print more money. supposedly they had plans for a 1.9 trillion stimulus package, but they’ve carefully avoided the word infrastructure, so I assume this will mostly be tax waivers, government backed loans and grant monies to large institutions rather than hard construction, but does anyone have a more concrete idea of their plans for the first year or so. Posted by: Kadath | Feb 6 2021 2:42 utc | 251 Kadath #251
Not a leftwing ditch. That is not what the dimratss do. They HATE the left so perhaps we can ditch that notion. Any sane leftist would never embrace one sniff of the dimratss output. The dimratss and their mouthpieces are trying to propagandize all of us about left and right so that we adopt their language meaning. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 3:32 utc | 252 karlof1@243—yes! we will join you on the charter. but could we make it seattle/st petersberg? ahh the things we have to do to stay healthy & sane. 😉 (hope this reaches you…friday evenings or evenings in general aren’t the best time to reach you.) Posted by: emersonreturn | Feb 6 2021 3:39 utc | 253 Hmm I cannot comprehend what VK is tryin’ to say at vk @ # 215 – That all the USSR’s nuclear power stations were run as stand alone collectives, or maybe every large collective farm in Monrovia decided individually that the best way forward was to expose all crop seeds to radioactivity, select the mutants and only plant them. Every farm collective decided this individually and it wasn’t a decision which was made in Moscow as an experiment for the Soviet Union or even by the State government of Monrovia, every collective just decided of their own accord that was the way to go, is that it? Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 6 2021 5:55 utc | 254 oldhippie # 245 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 9:13 utc | 255 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 3:32 utc | 252 and 250 Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 6 2021 9:34 utc | 256 JohninMK #244 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 9:39 utc | 257 Stonebird #256
I lived in the bush drinking creek and rainwater for may years so I got my fair share of that fluoride there and then moved to a city that plonked it in the drinking water. My brain doesn’t tolerate rot, I am definitely not docile, and I choked off the sperm level a long time ago with a bowline knot. But I go fucking crazy at full moon and I put that down the inner cro-magnon or denisovan. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 9:56 utc | 258 Ecuador: a fifteen minute primer on the eve of the election. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:22 utc | 259 Brasil update: ,a href=”https://www.brasilwire.com/bolsonaros-disaster/”>Bolsonaro’s Neoliberal Disaster: An Interview With Esther Dweck> Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:40 utc | 260 Brasil update: Bolsonaro’s Neoliberal Disaster: An Interview With Esther Dweck Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:42 utc | 261 The englanders government deepens the silence, blackens the sun, smothers the sounds of government by the Tory class. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:48 utc | 262 uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 9:56 utc | 258 Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 6 2021 10:54 utc | 263 Haiti people demand that their constitution be respected.
From across Latin American and Caribbean leaders and organizations have expressed their solidarity with the struggle of Haitian people and have demanded that Moïse comply with the Constitution and leaves office when his term expires on February 7, 2021 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:55 utc | 264 Africa is undergoing change stress from the south to the north. There are multiple reports here at peoples dispatch Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 11:00 utc | 265 The debt rattle has a few tales to tell Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 11:08 utc | 266 uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 10:55 utc | 264 Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 6 2021 11:08 utc | 267 Uncle tungsten @ 255 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 6 2021 13:47 utc | 268 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 11:08 utc | 266 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 6 2021 17:17 utc | 269 By coincidence of posting notably foolish things elsewhere, oldhippie@268 stood out. Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 6 2021 18:19 utc | 270 Again I will simply be honored by your spleen. Any interested in particulars should get busy and read. Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 6 2021 19:26 utc | 271 Most countries have a critical minerals list. Australia list 21 minerals and have an abundance of most: search for – critical+minerals+projects+in+australia 2020 Sorry I cant provide the PDF link. Posted by: Paul | Feb 6 2021 19:52 utc | 272 oldhippie on wealthy Marx. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2021 21:32 utc | 273 US/UK/EU blame game afoot? Setting up the stage for future manufactured outrage? Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 7 2021 3:44 utc | 274 Below is a quote from a Xinhuanet posting about Senior Chinese diplomat Yang Jiechi on Saturday who held a phone conversation with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:07 utc | 275 Below is a short posting from Xinhuanet Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:12 utc | 276 As a follow-on to my comment # 276 there is another short posting from Xinhuanet about China asking for more Covid origin tracing investigation Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:18 utc | 277 As a follow-on to my comment # 275 about China/US relations and the Xinhuanet quote let me provide a quote from Reuters about the same conversation which does not say the same thing. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 7 2021 6:33 utc | 278 “If this is true then why all the left-over/ongoing trouble making? Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 7 2021 12:49 utc | 279 uncle tungsten @ 273 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 7 2021 12:58 utc | 280 |
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