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February 12, 2021

EU - Russia Conflict Deepens

Last week. during a visit by the EU's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov slapped down the EU's sanctimonious interference in Russia's internal policies.

Back in Brussels, Borrell, who was criticized by some EU hardliners for not directly rebuffing Lavrov's talk, set down to write a blog post in which again attacked Russia over the latest Navalny stunt:

I have just returned from a very complicated visit to Moscow, on which I had embarked to discuss the fraught state of EU-Russia relations. They have been low for a number of years, and deteriorated even further after recent developments linked to the poisoning, arrest, and sentencing of Alexei Navalny as well as the related mass arrests of thousands of demonstrators. The purpose of this mission was to express directly the EU’s strong condemnation of these events and to address, through principled diplomacy, the process of a rapid worsening of our relationship with Russia, and to help prepare the forthcoming European Council discussions on EU-Russia relations.

Borrell is delusional. Hardly anyone in Russia believes the nonsensical poisoning story for which the 'west' could provide exactly zero evidence:

Brett Harris @BrettHar123 - 18:41 UTC · Feb 7, 2021

Only 15% in Russia believe the Navalny poisoning was the Govt trying to eliminate an opponent, and the 15% based this opinion from Telegram and the Internet and were mostly 18-24. The rest think it was staged, a Western false flag, personal or opposition: https://levada.ru/2020/12/24/...

The whole Navalny poisoning was obviously some secret service operation to bash Russia. His lavish living in in a 5 bed room luxurious apartment in Germany after he was released from hospital was paid by the libertarian oligarch Evgeny Chichvarkin. Chichvarkin, who lives in London, is probably an MI6 cutout. It is still not known who paid the multimillion production costs for the fake 'Putin palace' video. The studio renting for the video was requested by a company in Los Angeles. Some U.S. involvement is thereby assured.

Poland and other NATO countries are now openly pressing Navalny and other traitors like him to continue their regime change attempts:

Poland in the EU @PLPermRepEU - 12:26 UTC · Feb 8, 2021

The recent developments in 🇪🇺 - 🇷🇺 relations require action from the #EU Member States.
This is why 🇵🇱 is hosting a virtual meeting with A.@Navalny's closest associates @LeonidVolkov & @VAshurkov.
The EU27 PermReps alongside 🇺🇸 🇬🇧 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 Ambassadors are now discussing the next steps.

Ashurkov is the guy who, in this 2012 video, can be seen meeting with a British agent and asking for money and political dirt from abroad to run smear attacks on Russian businessmen and politicians.

Volkov is another crazy dude. He has now declared himself to be the Foreign Minister of the Russian government in exile (machine translation):

Navalny's headquarters coordinator Volkov said from abroad that he was gathering the Russian government in exile and had already named himself acting foreign minister. And to get Navalny out of prison, according to him, he will primarily use foreign policy methods, that is, sanctions. The plot is shown on the air of the "60 minutes" program.

Working for foreign secret services seems to pay well.

Elena Evdokimova @elenaevdokimov7 - 21:59 UTC · Feb 9, 2021

A house in Luxenburg's city Mamer that belongs to the head of Navalny's FBK Leonid Volkov. Bought in 2014 for 720,000 euro. It shows that FBK, accusing Russian government people in having villas & property abroad, have villas & property abroad themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6KEhZk1nwQ

Navalny, Ashurkov and Volkov are traitors and should be handled as such.

Besides again bashing Russia over issues that are not the EU's business Borrell also issued a new thread:

We are at a crossroads. The strategic choices we make now will determine international power dynamics in the 21st century, and notably whether we will advance towards more cooperative or more polarised models, based on closed or on freer societies. The European Union can influence these developments, which requires a clear vision and objectives, accompanied by intense diplomatic engagement, supported by our many means of external action and projection of influence.

We will discuss these issues with my fellow EU foreign ministers. As ever, it will be for member states to decide the next steps, and yes, these could include sanctions. And we also have another tool in this respect, thanks to the recently approved EU human’s rights sanctions regime.

Does the idiot really think he can impress Russia with such sanctions talk?

Today, in an interview with a Russian TV station, Lavrov gave his response (machine translated).  The headline was sensational: Lavrov said Russia is ready to break off relations with the EU.

Russia is ready to break off relations with the European Union, but would not want to isolate itself from world life. This was stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the air of the "Soloviev Live" program.

When asked by Vladimir Solovyov whether Moscow is heading for a break with Brussels, Lavrov replied: "We proceed from the fact that we are ready." The minister stressed that sanctions create risks for our economy, including in the most sensitive areas. "We do not want to isolate ourselves from world life, but we must be ready for this," the minister said.

The Kremlin later said that some media misrepresented Lavrov's remarks but essentially confirmed his stand:

Russia should be ready for hostile acts from the European Union but would not want to sever ties with Brussels, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Friday, commenting on the remarks by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov who said that Moscow is ready cut ties with the EU if Brussels chooses to impose sanctions that endanger sensitive sectors of the Russian economy.
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"The point is that we don’t want this [to sever ties with the EU] but seek to develop relations with the European Union. However, if the EU chooses to go down this path [of imposing sanctions that entail risk for the Russian economy], then yes, we will be ready because you need to be ready for the worst," he explained.
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According to Peskov, Lavrov’s comments do not require "any confirmation." "Of course, if we face the most destructive policy that causes damage to our infrastructure and our interests, then Russia should be ready in advance for these hostile steps," Peskov stressed.

Borrell and other EU folks fail to understand that Russia has given up on a 'greater Europe'. It no longer cares what the EU thinks:

The West’s mistake with Russia was expecting it to Westernize without any prospect of integration into Western institutions. NATO and the EU wanted a say in Moscow’s affairs while denying it a voice in broader European issues.

This was both wrong and unsustainable and now has brought us to a situation where, after 300 years, Russia has ended its Western-centric foreign policy. The EU has not yet recognized the truly historic shift that has occurred. In the early 18th century, Peter the Great sought to return Russia to Europe. But now, after a brief revival in the 1990s and 2000s, the dream of a Greater Europe has been recognized to be just that, a dream.

Western support for the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine drove the final nail into the coffin. But in Brussels and Washington, they are still living in a delusion and have failed to recognize how strongly Moscow feels about what happened.

Russia has turned to greater Eurasia of which western Europe is just a tiny peninsula. A U.S. proxy that has no independent voice and can no longer be taken serious. It will now be ignored.

Today Navalny was back in court for publicly insulting a World War II veteran. The EU will certainly make remarks about that. But only a few days ago police in Scotland arrested someone because he typed a mean tweet about a British veteran of that war. Brussels will certainly have nothing to say about that.

And that is at the core of the whole issue. Brussels has become used to tell others 'Do as we say, not as we do.'

That no longer works. Certainly not with Russia.

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Thanks for the many replies, but I'd like to address JB's question @41--

"I would like to know, in concrete terms, what is the benefit from constant denigration and provocation of Russia, and who benefits, in precisely what ways."

The way to this answer is to go back to the beginning of what was termed The Great Game coined by the British to describe their Imperial rivalry with the Russian Empire that eventually culminated in MacKinder's Heartland Geopolitical Thesis. In the Wiki link, beware this sentence in the opening paragraph:

"Britain was fearful of Russia invading India to add to the vast empire that Russia was building."

That's completely false. The British were the most aggressive Imperialist power and came very close to that era's conception of full spectrum dominance. Russia's expansion to the Pacific was relatively easy but very difficult to sustain because of geography, a difficulty that's still being overcome. The move into Central Asia was also relatively easy as little resistance was provided, nor were the Russians ruthless unlike all other European Imperial powers. But again geography imposed its limits. Russia's primary goal over the course of several centuries was to gain access to a warm water port, and that meant continually fighting the Ottoman Empire while advancing to the Black Sea. This map shows the Russian Empire's maximum geographical extent, and do note the great distance between it and British controlled South Asia, while imagining the outstanding geographical barriers that would have to be crossed for any threat to be manifested.

In 1721, Russia defeated Sweden in the Great Northern War and Peter the Great proclaimed Russia to be an Empire with himself as Emperor, and became the greatest European military force, but its navy was very small and was just beginning to explore the Pacific to exploit fish and furs, which brought it to Alaska. But at the time the British were very busy building their maritime empire and didn't consider Russia as any sort of competitor. That would await Napoleon. Russia's performance against Napoleon while most welcome also scared British Imperialists with its potential to conquer all of Europe, which resulted in the Congress of Vienna and its formulation of land borders between nations and imposition of the Balance of Power theory of International Relations, which was favored by the British as it helped to keep European land powers from threatening its maritime empire.

The initial conflict between Russia and Britain was over religion that brought about the Crimean War and its alliance of very strange bedfellows. At that time the nascent propaganda known as Orientalism was being used against China and all things Asian which soon included Russia, which is how Russophobia began. Alexander III's help with the Northern forces against the British during the US Civil War caused such propaganda and enmity in high circles to increase. There seems to have been agreement between British and German elites about the nature of Slavs and Russians that helped shape the Kaiser's racism against all Slavs, which carried over to Hitler. British forces were the most numerous on the White side during the Russian Civil War where its newly formed propaganda ministry shifted from attacking the Hun to the Slav and all things socialistic and communist, which was aped by the United States.

There wasn't much change in Imperial antagonists after the World Wars, although again the USSR wasn't at all trying to conquer the planet via full spectrum dominance. That's been the unique goal of English speakers then and now. Not even the Narrative's changed much as the USSR/Russia took the place of Nazi Germany and Fascism. We see that daily as the Russian's are always the aggressors while the English speakers only seek peace. The ideology in play is simple to see and understand and was just reiterated by Putin at Davos--Russia seeks to advance ALL its people while the West seeks only to promote the already wealthy. As we saw briefly during the Rape of Russia during the 1990s, the West only wants Russia and its people for exploitation, after which they can be thrown away like so much dross. And if Russia can be removed from the equation, then overcoming China becomes much easier. It's the game of Monopoly on a global stage--one player wins while all others go bankrupt. That's the essence of Zero-sum--the goal of English speakers since they became exceptional thanks to the Protestant Wind and superior sailing-ship technology in 1588. The English speakers see themselves as Heracles and all others as the Hydra which they alone must slay.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2021 20:08 utc | 101

@ Posted by: Jen | Feb 13 2021 19:51 utc | 100

Finland was the de facto fourth member of the Axis. The only thing it didn't do was to literally sign the document, but it acted and was treated as a true member throughout the entire war.

For example, Finland had the second largest contingent fighting in Stalingrad - which, as we know, was in the zone of the Army Group South - behind only Germany itself.

There is a Finish myth that they refused to fully block Leningrad from the north because they had already occupied the old territory they lost in the Winter War and didn't want an humanitarian catastrophe. This is unlikely to be true, as the siege was still extremely brutal, and the Soviets were only able to bring some relief in when the bay froze with ice strong enough - and even then most were intercepted. Besides, the source that claims the Finish were soft on Leningrad are all from German officials, so this is their point of view, not necessarily the truth. All the circumstantial evidence points to the direction Finland fought to its full potential in Leningrad, and that all the failures of the siege came purely from Fino-German logistical-operational incompetence, not humanitarian feelings.

Posted by: vk | Feb 13 2021 23:05 utc | 102

@ Norwegian | Feb 13 2021 19:41 utc | 99... thanks norwegian... i said perspective, as i am ignorant of the facts... i appreciate the fact you are trying to enlighten me! i will share your info with a friend who grew up in bergen and who i am in contact with... he lives on the coast here where i am, but he is from norway and speaks the language.. he will be interested in your link... cheers james

@ 100 jen... i also appreciate and value your comments, such as this one... i don't have that type of understanding on the history, so thanks for that...

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2021 23:39 utc | 103

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2021 9:24 utc | 65
Takk for du viste meg at jeg ikke er alene.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Feb 14 2021 0:13 utc | 104

Regardless of various announcements regarding getting on and finishing NordStream2 it does look as if the Russians are sitting on their hands. Both of their pipelayers, according to their transponders, are tied up in port.

Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 14 2021 0:36 utc | 105

Regardless of various announcements regarding getting on and finishing NordStream2 it does look as if the Russians are sitting on their hands. Both of their pipelayers, according to their transponders, are tied up in port.
Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 14 2021 0:36 utc | 105

It could be wishful thinking on my part, but I formed the impression that Germany intends to allow NordStream 2 to proceed as planned. I was influenced by a TV 'debate' on DW Conflict Zone in mid-September, 2020.

DW's Sarah Kelly was haranguing Neils Annen about walking away from NS2 and Annen was at pains to explain to (creatively deaf) Sarah that Germany's relationship with Russia is 'complicated'. There was one particularly hilarious incident during which Annen told her that AmeriKKKa is pushing Germany to abandon NS2 BUT buys almost as much Russian Oil as Germany buys Russian Gas!

Googling DW Conflict Zone Sarah Kelly vs Neils Annen will take you straight to the full 25 minute debate and numerous short extracts. Heiko Maas is Neils boss and Neils is nobody's fool. Imo.

Most of the good stuff takes place in the first 15 minutes.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 14 2021 3:04 utc | 106

A short video of Putin's meeting with the editors of Russian MSM has been made public since the meeting was closed but at first there were some leaks, the main thing stated was that Russia will not abandon the Donbass, but every step must be carefully measured, the stakes are too high. Concerning the claim of exceptionality, Putin ironically said that the main office's oath is given with the hand over the Bible, where it is said that all men are created equal.

https://youtu.be/EE7F67Htxlk

Posted by: Paco | Feb 14 2021 7:10 utc | 107

If only the media had not succumbed to the income collapse caused by the internet. There has been an increasingly evident replacement with an increasingly co-ordinated puppet media alliance. This monstrous abuse of basic human rights for access to truth is clearly the cornerstone tool for the ever-evolving corporate/government alliances that seals the fate of democracy and freedom for the non-elite.
The pandemic serves its masters well to enable the rapid conversion to totalitarianism whilst the usurped media tool conditions the minds of young and old alike.
Russia has the ability to form an effective alliance of opposition to the creeping objective of an unopposable elitist totalitarian control of everything on the planet. As such it has long since been identified as the major long-term threat. The false flag driven demonization is for the long term distortion of truth (just one of many such mind control objectives).
There is an essential need for far greater awareness of the big picture of what is going and why if there is to be any avoidance of the furtherance of containing the obvious elitist totalitarian ambitions.

Posted by: Carver | Feb 14 2021 7:32 utc | 108

If only the media had not succumbed to the income collapse caused by the internet. There has been an increasingly evident replacement with an increasingly co-ordinated puppet media alliance. This monstrous abuse of basic human rights for access to truth is clearly the cornerstone tool for the ever-evolving corporate/government alliances that seals the fate of democracy and freedom for the non-elite.
The pandemic serves its masters well to enable the rapid conversion to totalitarianism whilst the usurped media tool conditions the minds of young and old alike.
Russia has the ability to form an effective alliance of opposition to the creeping objective of an unopposable elitist totalitarian control of everything on the planet. As such it has long since been identified as the major long-term threat. The false flag driven demonization is for the long term distortion of truth (just one of many such mind control objectives).
There is an essential need for far greater awareness of the big picture of what is going and why if there is to be any furtherance of containing the obvious elitist totalitarian ambitions.

Posted by: Carver | Feb 14 2021 7:38 utc | 109

@james | Feb 13 2021 23:39 utc | 103

Thanks. Please do.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2021 7:52 utc | 110

@Per/Norway | Feb 14 2021 0:13 utc | 104

Takk for du viste meg at jeg ikke er alene.

Takk for svar! Vi er ikke alene, vi må samarbeide og få fram fakta slik de er, uten spekulasjoner som kan brukes mot oss. Dette handler ikke om høyre mot venstre, men de få med makt mot resten. Vi er blant de mange. Sannheten seirer til slutt.

Thank you for responding! We are not alone, we have to cooperate and present the facts as they are, without speculations that will be used against us. This is not about right vs. left, but the few with power against the rest. We are among the rest. In the end, truth will win.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2021 8:00 utc | 111

The text in Russian for the mentioned video clip:

https://www.vesti.ru/article/2523686

Posted by: Paco | Feb 14 2021 9:34 utc | 112

Almost to a man, Russians hate and despise Nazis with overwhelming and interminable justification. The elite money-power are the colluding controllers of the west and have displayed an increasing desire to use Nazi sympathisers as a prod to poke Russia with. The Poland puppetry is a prime example. Ukraine another. The earlier failures have not deterred them. They have no fear of what they cause because they are elite and mentally afflicted. This is the hallmark of the elite and their ilk.

Posted by: Carver | Feb 14 2021 10:23 utc | 113

Posted by: Carver | Feb 14 2021 10:23 utc | 113

The elite money-power IS the Nazis, same people. Without the money you just have ordinary terrorists and "warrior" types. To be fair, not all filthy rich people are bad people, it's really a matter of luck. But being rich clearly does funny things to their minds. It's easy to see. You take an ordinary hard-working person and give them a couple billion and all of a sudden you have Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, who let's face it don't look all that impressive without the money.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 14 2021 12:59 utc | 114

The elite money-power are the colluding controllers of the west and have displayed an increasing desire to use Nazi sympathisers as a prod to poke Russia with. The Poland puppetry is a prime example. Ukraine another.
Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 14 2021 12:59 utc | 114

This is a drastic simplification and arguably wrong. The term "nazi" is heavily overused, and deeply offensive when unjustified. Nations have their vision of past golden ages, if any, heroes etc. And the choice can be small when the nation is small. Thus the Baltics, Ukrainian and Croatians have large sectors that praise and sometimes emulate heroes of 1940ties -- proud satellites of the Fuerer. But Poles were designated as untermensch and did not have a chance to produce heroes of that kind.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 14 2021 15:04 utc | 115

It could be wishful thinking on my part, but I formed the impression that Germany intends to allow NordStream 2 to proceed as planned. I was influenced by a TV 'debate' on DW Conflict Zone in mid-September, 2020.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 14 2021 3:04 utc | 106

I wish it were so. But there is a dirty saga of "opposing" unilateral Trumpian sanctions on Iran, always promising that they will figure out how to trade with Iran (why they created Euro etc. for crying out loud?), and doing fat nothing.

Mind you, various Trumpian "ideas" were amazingly feeble. But those that align with Atlanticist network, kind of multinational MIC, are durable like diamonds. The visible discussions on DW are like sheep entrails used for divination. Germans play a double game, and they may pretend that they support completing NS2, or actually do it. Winter fogs can be dense over Baltic Sea...

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 14 2021 15:18 utc | 116

@ VK (102) Re:

"For example, Finland had the second largest contingent fighting in Stalingrad - which, as we know, was in the zone of the Army Group South - behind only Germany itself."

I don't believe that at all, I have read umpteen accounts of the battle of Stalingrad, not one has ever mentioned the Finns. Neither did the Finns advance further than the lands they lost during the winter war. As for being the "4th member of the axis" that too is false.


Posted by: MarkU | Feb 14 2021 23:18 utc | 117

@ Jen (100) Re:

"Reading the above conversation on Norway and Jens Stoltenberg, I can't help but feel sad that in the 1990s the Scandinavian nations, Finland and Iceland did not seize an opportunity to form their own military alliance that could act as a counterweight to NATO and other regional formations"

Iceland has a population of about 350,00, the idea of them forming a military alliance with anyone is silly.

Posted by: MarkU | Feb 14 2021 23:23 utc | 118

France was first who withdrawn all WW2 gold from USA, Germany tried but been refused as it wasn’t any left in storage and later made an instalments agreement, now receiving slowly. Brits withdrawn all gold too, claimed after Germans but jumped “somehow” in front of them and managed to bring all their gold to London.. Germany now is still very dependable of US. Big reset started as Brit planned . Don’t you think guys

Posted by: Abi | Feb 15 2021 0:41 utc | 119

apparently iceland doesn't spend any money on military... someone told me this.. not sure if it is completely true...

Posted by: james | Feb 15 2021 1:08 utc | 120

"ALEKSEY NAVALNY IS THE GRANDSON OF A NAZI AUXILIARY POLICEMAN"

"The journalists of the “BBC Ukraine” TV channel visited the village of Novoye Zalesye near Kiev, where relatives of Russian opposition blogger Aleksey Navalny live. One of them is even the head of this locality."

https://www.stalkerzone.org/aleksey-navalny-is-the-grandson-of-a-nazi-auxiliary-policeman/

When Navalny's "gig" is up in Russia, perhaps he will return to the borderlands and run for president. Nothing should surprise anyone at this point in the farce.

Russia expanding the Khmeimim airbase to handle Russian large bombers Tu 22 95 160 will also provide a quick turnaround for bombing all terrorists in Syria. Recently Russia and Israel had security talks regarding Syria. Israel didn't get what it wanted and the day after the talks a rocket attack occurred against Khmeimim. Coincidence my ass. The most recent shipment of "pomegranates and pistachios" from Iran to Syria flew directly to Khmeimim, further pissing off the regime in occupied Palestine.

As I write this Israel is attacking Syria near Damascus.

Posted by: Tom | Feb 15 2021 2:08 utc | 121

Iceland has a population of about 350,00, the idea of them forming a military alliance with anyone is silly.


Posted by: MarkU | Feb 14 2021 23:23 utc | 118

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Take a while to observe and you'll find that the person you are replying to, while constantly attempting to demonstrate in-depth knowledge, is quite prone to "silly".

Posted by: Triden | Feb 15 2021 10:09 utc | 122

Posted by: vk | Feb 13 2021 23:05 utc | 102

''which, as we know, was in the zone of the Army Group South''

is a thing you the ONLY ONE to know.

Posted by: Alberto | Feb 15 2021 13:53 utc | 123

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The visible discussions on DW are like sheep entrails used for divination. Germans play a double game, and they may pretend that they support completing NS2, or actually do it. Winter fogs can be dense over Baltic Sea...
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 14 2021 15:18 utc | 116

Drawing on my talent for over-simplification, I'm assuming that Germany has grown weary of being under military occupation by the Zionist-Occupied US Govt while also being softened up for Holocaust blackmail by "Israel" for 75 years with no end in sight.

Germany didn't sign up for NS2 in a drunken stupor or in a moment of whimsy. They negotiated a win-win deal with a trustworthy supplier, and are extremely unlikely to abandon NS2 on the say-so of the world's most untrustworthy deal-breaker. Nobody has ever called the Germans stupid and if the Yanks have persuaded themselves that they're smarter than Germans, then they're wrong - as usual.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 15 2021 15:03 utc | 124

Posted by: Alberto | Feb 15 2021 13:53 utc | 123

Ask him for a reference, to back up that claim he just made up from thin air.

Guaranteed he will not supply one or, if he does attempt to do so, it will be flimsy as f**k.

Posted by: Triden | Feb 15 2021 15:08 utc | 125

Nobody has ever called the Germans stupid

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 15 2021 15:03 utc | 124

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Well maybe it's about time someone did, because their "Energiewende" program, attempting to replace reliable energy supply from hydrocarbons and nuke with laughably so-called "renewables", is one of their dumbest moves ever, resulting in some of the worlds most expensive energy costs for consumers.

Their resultant volatile supply-levels are playing havoc with grid stability throughout Europe

Posted by: Triden | Feb 15 2021 15:16 utc | 126

karlof1 | Feb 13 2021 20:08 utc | 101
Lots of lessons in your posts.

Minor correction:
...Alexander III's help with the Northern forces against the British during the US Civil War ...
That should be Alex. II. [III born 1845 and czar when II assassinated 1881.]

It was Alex II who freed the serfs...2 years before Lincoln freed the slaves. Oddly, US Ambassador to Russia then was Cassius Clay [!] who had Lincoln's ear...as did Frdk. Douglass.

Re: British global intentions...their decision to go global seemed to occur after 1492 when their future existence was obviously threatened as an island nation wholly dependent on sea trade.Thus the Hakluyt team began their world survey of resources, potential choke points and all matters naval...the 2 Hakluyts 1st compilation was made available abt 1599 only to interested parties followed by many later volumes.

I read a sampling and they knew what they were/are doing! E.g., blue-water adventures must have fresh water sources; winds, currents, depths, hazards, etc are vital data. It is supposed that such surveys/data are ongoing to this day. [ IIRC, L Fletcher Prouty mentioned the data collection was connected later with Halleybury College.]

When the 1st underground oil treasures were discovered abt 1858 in Canada and W. Pennsylvania, earlier global survey data was consulted on petroleum seeps, odd flammable gas emissions, etc that foretold other sources ready for the taking.

In view of above, it seemed odd coincidence that Leo Szilard disclosed his neutron-chain-rx hypothesis 1st to the Brit Admiralty in 1934 [!] who kept it very secret...until the right time and proxy came along to develop it.

Posted by: chu teh | Feb 15 2021 15:23 utc | 127

Hoarsewhisperer @Feb15 15:03 #124

Germany ... negotiated a win-win deal with a trustworthy supplier, and are extremely unlikely to abandon NS2 ... [Germans aren't stupid]

The American Deep State aren't stupid either judging by their ability to maintain an Empire. (Note: I'm not ignoring that they have done things that have backfired for various reasons.)

Is it the Russians that are stupid in thinking that they will be allowed to bypass Ukraine and cozy up to an Empire satrap? Russia hopes to gain a propaganda victory if NS2 is ultimately rejected. Perhaps that's worth the multi-billion dollar cost of the project?

IMO, before passing judgment on German people's capacity to understand their situation, we should wait to see the German people's reaction to any disruption in NS2. I think we won't have long to wait.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 15 2021 15:40 utc | 128

@james | Feb 13 2021 23:39 utc | 103

@ Norwegian | Feb 13 2021 19:41 utc | 99... thanks norwegian... i said perspective, as i am ignorant of the facts... i appreciate the fact you are trying to enlighten me! i will share your info with a friend who grew up in bergen and who i am in contact with... he lives on the coast here where i am, but he is from norway and speaks the language.. he will be interested in your link... cheers james

Here is a relevant video analysis about the current reckless NATO initiatives
Ukraine PM Drops in at NATO HQ: Peace in Jeopardy!

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 15 2021 15:51 utc | 129

AmeriKKKa is a Bribe-ocracy masquerading as a Democracy and that's why talentless dorks and drones, with an anti-democratic agenda, fill all of the most influential political and administrative posts.

The Dems case against Trump was a disgraceful litany of irrelevant, over-sentimentalised bathos and drivel. No Talent. No Shame.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 15 2021 16:01 utc | 130

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Well maybe it's about time someone did, because their "Energiewende" program, attempting to replace reliable energy supply from hydrocarbons and nuke with laughably so-called "renewables", is one of their dumbest moves ever, resulting in some of the worlds most expensive energy costs for consumers.
Their resultant volatile supply-levels are playing havoc with grid stability throughout Europe
Posted by: Triden | Feb 15 2021 15:16 utc | 126

It's called Transition Teething Problems. And it's too late to stuff the Renewable Genie back in the bottle. South Australia bought a battery pack from Mr Tesla a couple of years ago with a view to smoothing SA's supply curve problems. The battery capacity is way less than 24 hours worth primary supply and that story is yet to conclude, but initial reports were extremely positive.

Roof-top Solar is a big deal in Oz. My neighbors run their basic Tesla off the solar panels. My next-door neighbor get cheques from the Elecricity Co. I don't know anyone who regrets installing solar panels...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 15 2021 16:44 utc | 131

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"Initial reports" concerning Tesla are always "positive". Elon gives great PR-head apparently.

Then reality catches up

But anyway you're talking Oz, NOT Germany. Complete Apple /Oranges comparison, unsurprisingly. The two are not interchangeable

Posted by: Triden | Feb 15 2021 16:57 utc | 132

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